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00:00:00
[music]00:00:35
how I met Andrey Alekseevich, it was00:00:38
very simple,00:00:39
it was in their house.00:00:42
I studied with Alexey Dmitch on a course at00:00:46
that time00:00:47
Andrey was in the army in Tashkent00:00:51
[music] I00:00:55
have a son,00:00:59
who had no idea what,00:01:03
and then we... then they came to my birthday00:01:06
[music]00:01:16
and then after a while he suddenly called00:01:20
me.00:01:22
Moreover, he sat silent all this time that00:01:24
we were here in the dining room, sitting at night,00:01:27
looking at me and then after a00:01:30
while he needed a phone call to00:01:32
me at home and he invited me to the00:01:35
play piggy bank which he was playing00:01:40
and the game00:01:42
[music]00:01:45
you know, it was 45, the war was over,00:01:48
they were looking on the roof on the street, it was00:02:00
completely unusual, all our dates00:02:03
took place only in the rain,00:02:06
there was no other weather00:02:08
and One day I only remember him an00:02:12
old leather coat in the spring00:02:17
[music]00:02:25
in the opera studio he was between rehearsals00:02:30
maybe so00:02:32
timidly and rightly he took out a bouquet of violets from his bosom,00:02:39
he was shy and at the same time00:02:42
mischievous, this00:02:46
came together very well00:02:56
[music]00:03:22
[music]00:03:54
wonderful finally00:04:01
[music]00:04:21
[music]00:04:53
now it’s winter00:04:56
Frost has pushed the glass of the windows00:04:58
in One candle is burning in a dark room.00:05:02
I’m sitting huddled in a corner00:05:05
and everything is ringing in my head. Yes, it’s ringing.00:05:09
How beautiful the00:05:11
roses were, how fresh they were,00:05:15
and I see myself in front of the low window of a00:05:18
Russian country house. The00:05:21
summer evening quietly melts and turns into00:05:24
night00:05:26
in the Warm air, it smells of mignonette and linden in the00:05:29
window.00:05:32
leaning on her straightened arm and bowing her00:05:35
head to her shoulder, the00:05:37
girl sits00:05:39
and silently looks intently at the sky,00:05:42
as if waiting for the appearance of the first stars,00:05:46
how innocently inspired, pensive00:05:50
eyes,00:05:51
how touchingly innocently open,00:05:55
questioning lips.00:06:04
the appearance of the young face,00:06:08
I don’t dare to talk to her, but how00:06:13
dear she is to me,00:06:15
how my heart beats, how00:06:18
beautiful,00:06:22
how fresh the roses were.00:06:27
I’m not at all. Probably, it was not by chance that you00:06:30
brought us to this room where00:06:33
Alexey Dmitrievich and Andrey Alekseevich had an office, let’s00:06:36
start with you, you wo00:06:38
n’t be able to leave to attend the00:06:41
general conversation00:06:43
in this house lived the family of a00:06:47
great Soviet director, in this00:06:51
house lives the wife of a wonderful00:06:54
Soviet artist,00:06:57
in this house the00:06:59
life of00:07:02
such a small grain of our great culture continues,00:07:08
let's talk about our intelligence,00:07:12
let's talk about00:07:13
our conscience and let's talk about our00:07:17
pain, and I must say that under the roof of this00:07:21
house, everything was very difficult00:07:25
in the fate of the people who lived here,00:07:29
much was difficult,00:07:31
much was sad in the fate of these people,00:07:36
all the drama and tragedy of much00:07:41
of what our people experienced were mixed up.00:07:44
These people had great titles,00:07:48
cars came for them, they were respected and valued00:07:51
in everything we did. culturally theatrical00:07:55
we will speak to society But at the same time,00:07:58
if we forget that cracks have passed through these people,00:08:03
scars on their hearts00:08:08
have been left by time, we will not be honest with00:08:12
these people Alexei Popov absorbed the00:08:16
era was its Glory was its conscience and00:08:22
was its drama on ours eyes, the00:08:26
life of his brilliant00:08:30
son, a00:08:32
brilliant actor, completely00:08:35
unique00:08:37
in all his manifestations of00:08:39
individuality, which is missing today00:08:42
in the Soviet theater and Soviet00:08:44
cinema, flowed and ended in his eyes, it fell out not only00:08:47
the Epoch It fell out a00:08:50
certain look fell out a00:08:52
certain outlook on life00:08:54
a look touching unprotected00:08:59
extremely humane extremely00:09:03
maybe timid In a certain sense00:09:06
and at the same time very secretly00:09:10
courageous I would say so and at the same time I00:09:13
must say that there was a lot of00:09:15
joy and a lot of laughter and a lot of humor of00:09:18
everything that was there, all of this was00:09:21
inherent in these people, time separated us,00:09:24
time brought us together tore apart human00:09:28
relationships, time was sometimes very00:09:31
merciless and we didn’t always, we just00:09:36
found the strength00:09:39
to defend00:09:41
ourselves and our concepts are easy to judge, easy to00:09:47
judge Better to understand Better to understand00:09:51
better to think about it in order to00:09:54
somehow continue to live,00:09:58
maintaining connections,00:10:00
preserving what is dear to us00:10:05
my main one today is this a commandment00:10:09
to myself and to those who hear me now00:10:12
We have lost a lot We have00:10:17
stepped over a lot easy to00:10:21
preserve00:10:23
preserve with all our might Once the three of us00:10:27
met, it was a meeting I felt00:10:30
so flattering about myself somehow he even00:10:35
said proudly about himself.00:10:37
So I lived my Slavic Bazaar.00:10:40
One day Oleg Nikolaevich Efremov and Andrei00:10:43
Alekseevich, I gathered in this house there in00:10:48
another room with Irina00:10:50
Vladimirovna, there was such a long,00:10:54
long conversation at the table, from those00:10:58
conversations that could, as it00:11:00
seems to me be In the old days, we00:11:03
now don’t even have time for this, we00:11:05
don’t talk at the table and get together, we do00:11:08
n’t have this concept in our everyday life, and00:11:11
then Oleg Nikolaevich was just so00:11:13
wonderful and enthusiastic, simple and00:11:17
serious. He talked to me with Andrei00:11:20
Popov regarding how things might00:11:22
turn out our life At the Moscow Art Theater, that’s when00:11:26
it was planned and I was thinking about the00:11:28
fact that there would be Chekhov Or maybe there would be00:11:31
Shakespeare, there would be a lot of great00:11:35
serious literary material00:11:38
because they didn’t want to meet on nonsense I did00:11:42
n’t want to I remember very well00:11:45
the phrase that Oleg said then Efremov00:11:48
I remember it, I just never00:11:51
thought that this phrase would be realized so quickly and so00:11:54
sadly00:11:56
in the fate of Andrei Popov. We were00:12:00
sitting then. It was late in the evening.00:12:04
Efremov said of00:12:06
the time, we all have very few00:12:16
people coughing there so hoarsely and dully00:12:22
curled up,00:12:25
huddling and fluttering speaks at my feet The old00:12:28
dog is00:12:30
my only comrade00:12:35
I’m cold,00:12:38
I’m chilly00:12:41
and they all died00:12:46
died00:12:50
How beautiful00:12:53
the roses were, how fresh they were,00:13:07
and beyond the childhood years it was just that00:13:11
they lived, he lived practically behind the scenes00:13:14
But it was all, so to speak, this is already from00:13:17
my stories I know that’s how00:13:21
he himself said that he learned to read from the00:13:23
poster,00:13:25
his job was his calling,00:13:30
he had a00:13:35
[music] circle there00:13:38
with great success, everything was fine And then for00:13:42
one performance00:13:46
Well, apparently00:13:48
he tried his best there so that Alexey Ilyich00:13:51
was horrified and when they walked back00:13:53
home Although Andrey chalk was a very big00:13:55
success, he was happy, but Alexey also00:13:59
expressed his point of view on this whole00:14:01
matter, and in general Alexey Ilyich was not00:14:04
involved in it, he gave him00:14:06
the date and minutes when he realized what his son00:14:10
was making, that’s when he understood and saw00:14:13
that00:14:15
this is what is needed, then he could already00:14:21
intervene in this matter more actively with an00:14:26
amazing partner I know the00:14:35
lessons the first eyes that I saw00:14:42
in order for you to withstand and withstand then00:14:46
I met this in an American tragedy00:14:49
when I played played watch00:14:52
and he played Kinsella and the same thing eyes00:14:56
in which you could drown an actor00:14:59
who plays the theme of the play Well, this is an00:15:01
actor an actor who knows how to play00:15:04
improvisation on a theme This is already00:15:08
and now he has this and knows how to do it00:15:13
and bring in wives was this, so he always00:15:18
came up with something for me to get out00:15:28
[music ]00:15:46
[music]00:16:09
a lot I would also like to tell you00:16:13
for me to meet with you00:16:17
Well, let’s know that for yourself.00:16:20
Don’t judge unfortunate Savin too harshly. It’s certainly00:16:25
true that in relation to you, you can00:16:27
only quote the temporary, you live forever00:16:31
from day to day, you think it’s the only way00:16:33
until you look and You’ll live like this all your life00:16:38
I read in the newspapers a report about your new00:16:41
role in Ostrovsky’s play, they say you00:16:43
’re gorgeous in a Russian costume,00:16:46
don’t send me a card,00:17:02
you didn’t get bored, you always hit00:17:05
some surprises, I expected them from you00:17:09
And now I think that I fell in love with jazz Andrey00:17:31
Why These musicians give the same00:17:34
theme and you hear it completely differently,00:17:36
how everyone feels it, hears it00:17:38
embodies, it’s worth the phonogram to00:17:40
listen to, it’s really not jazz. Well, somewhere the00:17:42
style of soul00:17:46
[music]00:17:49
[applause] was00:17:52
instilled in me by my dad from childhood, sparing00:17:57
very little effort money is everything and the goal and the means00:18:02
Remember, these are [ __ ] and a loved one, I00:18:10
believed the thunder of Mercy and I took dad into my care,00:18:16
God save him00:18:21
[music] the00:18:39
gingerbread of life00:18:45
[music]00:18:58
I thought it was better for you to hutch Small,00:19:01
let’s say now I just want to00:19:05
ask the00:19:07
killer whale what she thinks why did he00:19:09
still00:19:10
leave?00:19:13
I would actually like to speak differently today,00:19:17
I would like to speak00:19:20
later, but00:19:23
so as not to be just so00:19:26
trendy in my statements.00:19:30
But then00:19:33
it determined some00:19:36
measure of intelligence or00:19:40
theater level then it was set00:19:45
because that, as they say, there are a00:19:49
lot of talents in theaters and different ones and that’s all, but he is00:19:52
irreplaceable and is still here.00:19:57
This is what you need to know.00:20:00
But the fact that he decided to leave at that time anyway00:20:09
[music]00:20:29
you know, we had a lot of them, all kinds of00:20:34
forests cutting down chips flying, well, there are a lot of them a lot00:20:38
One of these00:20:40
was that there are no irreplaceables Well, there is00:20:43
obviously there is still something00:20:47
left anyway that is00:20:52
not replaced unfortunately00:20:55
I would like that’s really interesting00:21:00
Tell me and remember a lot00:21:04
came from him that he decided to change00:21:09
his life00:21:19
his fate just doesn’t go away a little bit, or do you understand00:21:26
what happened, that he decided to00:21:29
leave the theater, the whole point is that maybe I00:21:34
turned out to be a very wrong person00:21:37
because I told him Although the theater00:21:40
really needed him as the main director, But it00:21:42
seemed to me that he is in art and he, because of the00:21:46
main spring, did not have the opportunity to00:21:47
act in films, he refused the most00:21:49
interesting offers that00:21:52
art needs him more as an00:21:55
artist, on the other hand, in our theater, the00:21:58
boss is always a military man, a00:22:02
colonel holding a general00:22:04
position, but even if he is an intelligent person who00:22:07
graduated from a political academy after00:22:11
all, forgive me, not only in the subtleties of00:22:14
their art, but in some decisions, even00:22:18
choosing plays, it’s probably more difficult for him than for those00:22:21
who want to do it. He began00:22:25
to have conflicts with the management and00:22:28
I think that00:22:32
I can’t determine for myself what00:22:35
happened.00:22:37
That’s why he made the decision to leave00:22:40
our theater for me, this is forever00:22:43
about leaving the theater a lot, he was not00:22:46
allowed to stage Simonov in the theater of00:22:48
the Soviet Army and they00:22:50
never stood at his place. Never he was already00:22:53
going to do the living dead and found00:22:58
Pavel Petrovich Pankov who was invited to the living dead00:23:03
worked at a large drama00:23:06
theater at the same time filming a film with00:23:09
Papanov, why don’t you allow the living00:23:11
dead? don’t00:23:15
4 don’t forget Simonov Well, how come the00:23:19
fourth is on in Sovremennik and so00:23:20
on One day he doesn’t speak when he has a00:23:24
lot of stuff already accumulated,00:23:25
some big ones have passed deadlines00:23:27
I'm finally going to an appointment with the main00:23:31
political department I'm signed up00:23:35
and here I am now I'm going I was for the00:23:40
initial government I have an appointment at 10 o'clock00:23:44
Wait for me at home I'll call you right away I'm00:23:45
waiting for 10 o'clock 11 o'clock 12 o'clock and00:23:51
never Vovka you're waiting Yes, come on,00:23:54
hurry up, where are you going? Why is it taking so long00:23:59
if there are automatic machines? Come on, come00:24:01
quickly, let's ship and we'll talk there00:24:05
now, nothing is ringing,00:24:07
I mean, the ship is standing pale,00:24:11
some kind of00:24:22
holiday,00:24:43
half past 12, finally,00:24:51
He enters there,00:24:53
sits, I write books at the table,00:24:56
He has a lot of different books. telephones,00:25:02
he didn’t get up00:25:04
Andrey got up, stands like that, pauses here for a00:25:08
short time, this is a nuance,00:25:12
then show through he constantly00:25:14
showed in short who he is and who00:25:19
went on a big conversation about the repertoire00:25:21
Why this is not possible, this is not possible Andryusha00:25:24
tells all this in detail,00:25:26
only the citizen is silent00:25:30
Look at these books,00:25:34
how they were published on what paper and then00:25:37
turn it over to see00:25:39
what kind of circulation he is looking at, some00:25:42
millions of copies.00:25:44
So you think it will all be sold out00:25:50
and it will all be considered such a circulation,00:25:55
but we will publish it00:25:58
and it will not be read in such quantities,00:26:00
you understand,00:26:02
put what you are told this don’t00:26:06
put it but it doesn’t go and it’s not me who books you again,00:26:18
but you really don’t have the00:26:20
moral right to lead. It00:26:24
seems to me that it’s been a long time since00:26:27
I can believe that you talked on00:26:30
the phone with the doctor and hid00:26:33
the meaning of the conversation00:26:36
and the fact that you suggested Lagov’s00:26:39
change of leader in this I I can also00:26:40
believe, as well as the fact that Andrei, on00:26:44
your instructions, crossed out00:26:46
Ostroumov’s name from the collective monograph and00:26:49
wrote in yours. I have nothing00:26:52
incredible00:26:54
in this. You can believe this, imagine. I00:27:02
ask you, maybe you00:27:05
can get confused, he was, I say, with all00:27:09
the gentleness, the man is amazing so to speak, a00:27:13
decent public figure,00:27:17
so to speak, you know,00:27:36
and and even in the end he was amazingly00:27:40
disciplined, you know, it was just even00:27:42
somehow inconvenient, what is it,00:27:46
you know,00:27:47
not just so to speak, the people of the USSR, everything,00:27:51
well, so and so big, generally beautiful,00:27:56
so to speak, and so and so00:27:57
disciplined, this is a makodyak, she00:28:00
will be 15 minutes late And this one00:28:03
is sitting Still, in 15 minutes I’m not for you,00:28:06
uh, in 15 minutes at the rehearsal, you understand and00:28:10
what is he thinking, thinking, but in the end he00:28:14
already began to get nervous, he had some kind of00:28:18
need I would so he said and00:28:23
Well, something like this is accumulated00:28:29
Well, then after all, you taught it, that00:28:32
one is very interesting for me to listen to00:28:34
Because his wife, all the students, there is no one00:28:37
who would not talk about him, they did charity00:28:41
because he was really with them and00:28:44
to a human being, the obvious is frank to a00:28:47
greater extent, perhaps than with all00:28:50
sorts of us, where he hid, so to speak,00:28:53
and so on00:28:55
in life, I was still a girl, I saw in the film00:28:59
the memory of the heart00:29:01
and me. It shocked his personality so much.00:29:04
In general, his human beauty,00:29:07
what did I think if I was with this man00:29:10
of life I won’t meet, it won’t happen, it’s00:29:13
probably not interesting,00:29:17
my life won’t pass fully,00:29:20
we had to work hard, the war left nothing,00:29:22
which means only pipes were sticking out. Well, now00:29:27
they’ve created it.00:29:29
Yes, I was here,00:29:33
I saw00:29:35
everything,00:29:40
this place was00:29:49
all new.00:29:52
I see very they heard a lot of work,00:30:03
remember, it was in the detachment00:30:09
and then they were transferred to the mainland00:30:12
as I remember00:30:14
Yes, it was me00:30:18
Andrei Alekseevich allowed me00:30:20
to work on his course, which he00:30:23
unfortunately did not manage to complete, and what00:30:26
shocked me most of all is that there are different teachers00:30:28
and different talents different00:30:31
passions, but Andrei Alekseevich, with some kind of00:30:33
magic of his, how he00:30:37
achieved this, I don’t know, but he knew how to bring00:30:39
everyone into a state of00:30:40
complete Freedom, but Freedom is not00:30:43
just so irresponsible, it’s00:30:45
just that such emancipation is of no use to anyone,00:30:49
as they say, not binding, but Freedom00:30:52
the maximum of any of their manifestations of00:30:55
any person and the students, they00:30:58
were all surprisingly free and at the same time00:31:00
surprisingly00:31:02
puzzled by their realization with their00:31:05
somehow attitude to the matter, you say00:31:08
created an atmosphere of Freedom. But maybe he00:31:11
created it because he himself00:31:14
lacked this Freedom, so you00:31:18
Will he be free or something? He00:31:20
talked to us all the time about life.00:31:23
And now I even remember00:31:25
some purely life situations, and so00:31:29
on, when, say, I turned to him00:31:31
somehow with a question or something else. After all, he did00:31:34
n’t give advice,00:31:36
he all the time, as it were, he was building his00:31:40
attitude towards, say, me there, or even there00:31:43
towards my fellow students, even when we00:31:45
were talking so that, in general, as00:31:49
a result, I myself would make a decision.00:31:58
then the00:32:00
person turned inward, here’s how to00:32:03
say. And this, by the way,00:32:06
was very clear how he taught us, say, in 68, we00:32:10
entered in 69, we put we00:32:15
put running, they called him to the rector, they00:32:17
called him to a meeting of the department,00:32:19
they said Andrei Alekseevich, what are your00:32:22
students showing, after all, this it’s impossible,00:32:24
it’s not pedagogical, it’s necessary something else, he was00:32:28
only he said only one thing: well, this is what00:32:31
they want, this is what they have a need for, and00:32:34
he demanded only one thing from us in class,00:32:36
so that it would be clear why I’m taking00:32:39
this or that passage today, this is00:32:41
some kind of look inside He somehow taught us to do this himself so that as00:32:48
for Stanislavsky’s theater, this is00:32:50
generally00:32:51
such a story. I’m surprised. But00:32:54
why, in principle, I still00:32:57
somehow don’t know. None of the critics have00:33:00
come forward00:33:04
to show how much they are00:33:14
there, of course, of course. took just00:33:16
dispersed00:33:20
another moment, you know, which is what I00:33:24
thought about it so much that at some00:33:26
point maybe we00:33:29
I00:33:30
Tolya Vasiliev Joseph at some point we were00:33:34
very carried away by the fact that00:33:38
we were00:33:41
given the right to the first attempt and we00:33:45
became it as much as possible00:33:48
implement and00:33:51
I feel that at this moment we00:33:55
lost some attention00:33:58
that Andrei Alekseevich also had his own00:34:01
attempt, maybe the last attempt to00:34:03
create his own business And let’s say that00:34:08
suddenly all these troubles fell on his shoulders,00:34:12
these courts that were which00:34:15
so to speak That’s when Iosif00:34:19
Rahelgauz was fired, there was a trial, Andrei Alekseevich was00:34:22
summoned then to the City Party Committee, they began00:34:24
to tell him something about his student Andrei00:34:26
Alekseevich, to the point that he took out his00:34:28
party card, put it on the table and00:34:30
said, This is how I answer for my00:34:33
student, he told me this and said00:34:35
about how they waved their hands and said00:34:38
take Andrei Alekseevich But00:34:40
to what extent does this mean the00:34:45
actor, a great actor artist, was brought to this? Yes, to what00:34:49
extent was he brought to this? I remember00:34:51
this court, the district court, I don’t remember which00:34:55
district of Frunzensky or something, when a00:34:58
witness at the trial defended these Gauss00:35:01
was performed by Andrei Alekseevich Popov, he00:35:04
fought to the last to00:35:06
preserve this is his brainchild and of course00:35:10
at some point I have the feeling00:35:13
that we too, so to speak,00:35:16
left the creativity to ourselves. But as if they00:35:21
gave him this and of course he is00:36:11
terrible you say the words00:36:14
and there is truth in them,00:36:18
but again I ask you how00:36:22
you will restore order in the human soul00:36:25
so that the son does not leave his father, the wife of the husband's brother00:36:28
's brother, so that the student does not betray his00:36:31
teacher, so that the animal fear of death does not00:36:36
turn a person into a vile coward,00:36:38
so that the sacred is forbidden. I ca00:36:44
n’t imagine how you can do it in my soul. I can’t imagine how it’s possible to do this00:36:47
without faith in God.00:36:50
No, they00:36:59
stubbornly don’t00:37:01
show it outwardly, but that inside there was everything00:37:03
outwardly; only he could at least be good at being naughty00:37:07
and hooligan.00:37:09
And when it was difficult, it was00:37:13
somewhere there and he preferred don’t talk about it,00:37:17
people were very attracted to him,00:37:20
responded00:37:23
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everyone came, but who like who when00:37:30
[music]00:37:33
in life00:37:34
[music]00:37:52
[music]00:38:02
then maybe they were embarrassed to get up and00:38:05
continued the conversation continued on the move.00:38:08
So by the way, those who were experienced with Alekseevich when he was00:38:12
there stood idle with one of the students00:38:15
near the entrance00:38:19
[music]00:38:20
one of Popov’s lessons, it was published in00:38:25
the light of 1988, an00:38:28
open letter to you, Inokentiy00:38:31
Mikhailovich, you know Oleg Nikolaevich00:38:33
because your signatures are also here, an00:38:35
open letter to00:38:37
Leonid Brezhnev,00:38:40
this is a letter that I will not read it00:38:44
in full, but this is a letter against, let’s00:38:47
say, at the First Peak, the so-called00:38:50
era of stagnation, a00:38:53
letter against the rehabilitation of the memory00:38:56
of Stalin00:38:57
and here is the text and under it00:39:02
the signatures of 2000:39:04
of them, I would like to highlight00:39:08
Viktor Nekrasov00:39:12
Andrey Popov00:39:14
Innokenty Smoktunovsky Andrey Sakharov00:39:19
Oleg Efremov00:39:21
this is what the current position is today00:39:25
it was then to put your surnames next00:39:28
to these names. I mean Nekrasov and00:39:32
Sakharov, this is one of Popov’s lessons00:39:46
for sure. I think you also know00:39:50
who he was interested in00:39:53
because he also had to be attracted to someone,00:40:00
so to speak.00:40:04
I think that he was also his. I didn’t find it,00:40:08
but still, here’s the first one we’ll still00:40:12
talk about like that00:40:22
Why What do you think?00:40:25
Well, this probably comes, of course, from00:40:28
Alexey Mitche, who, so to speak,00:40:30
in general, I remember00:40:34
quite then already speaking definitely00:40:38
about our art, about its main ones,00:40:41
carrying troubles like no image this is his00:40:45
formula of Alexey Dmitrievich, then00:40:49
he said that something00:40:51
still needs to be moved somewhere, so to speak,00:40:53
in the sense of living, living on stage. And so I00:40:59
think it’s no coincidence that Andrei has it.00:41:04
In connection with what I said before00:41:08
in general, let's say that00:41:13
Mikhail Chekhov did not find peace right away, he basically00:41:18
came to this through anthroposophy,00:41:21
I think that00:41:24
he too00:41:26
Well, he is so spontaneous, he may00:41:30
not even know what it is,00:41:35
he knows what it is, so what is it for him in general00:41:46
Shall we give your performance, to be00:41:49
precise, it’s our performance of our theater and00:41:52
it was so wonderful to see Andrei00:41:55
Alekseevich00:41:57
huge beautiful beautiful very much00:42:01
someone was called00:42:03
that he convinced him00:42:09
so you know what he says this is one of the00:42:12
kindest characters Chekhov00:42:18
exaggerates somewhat and then even he00:42:21
left to read this kind of00:42:23
remarks and his desire to play this00:42:27
role,00:42:29
I think that really it’s00:42:33
more00:42:35
[music]00:42:37
but you have an old drunkard00:42:48
liberal community00:42:55
I have a treasured about them more than one00:42:59
soul00:43:02
Come on, I pray you look in a friendly way I would00:43:06
take your word of honor00:43:12
on the table 110000:43:20
go to her today and give it to her00:43:23
with your own hand,00:43:31
otherwise I will get00:43:38
such a moral emotional00:43:45
layer in life that I can00:43:48
convey and explain in words. This is00:43:51
unthinkable, here I have only one thing. We are in00:43:56
connection with any time00:43:59
now, somehow even the module goes over00:44:03
history, we certainly we must now00:44:06
speak from the point of view of the eyes,00:44:09
and now we have talked on this topic,00:44:12
excited by the letter in the light, and so on, it00:44:17
becomes a ritual accessory of00:44:20
any television conversation,00:44:24
Andrei Alekseevich is dear to me because00:44:27
he was a Personality that does not00:44:30
change depending on the00:44:32
circumstances in his spiritual and other00:44:35
human and civil positions00:44:38
he behaved00:44:41
felt whether it was a period of stagnation00:44:45
or do you understand what I want to say?00:44:47
This is the main thing00:44:52
This man is the highest00:44:56
intelligence of00:44:59
a person This is who you could00:45:02
rely on, this is who you can00:45:04
rely on. By00:45:05
the way, you can say so simply by the fact00:45:08
that he exists00:45:10
such a person exists,00:45:24
therefore,00:45:27
for Oleg Nikolaevich,00:45:33
don’t say now, but he had such an00:45:39
innate sense of inner dignity that allowed him to be00:45:43
What we call modest,00:45:46
this is not modesty, even this is his00:45:49
innate sense of the greatest00:45:51
human dignity,00:45:54
because who usually insists on something - then00:45:57
people who, in general, have an00:45:59
inferiority complex, they climb and fight their way00:46:03
and insist, they are offended, they didn’t do it, they did00:46:07
n’t do it, they didn’t meet them00:46:09
several times when arriving from a tour from00:46:12
Kiev to play.00:46:17
There I come, sits before the performance in a00:46:22
corner somewhere on Tverskoy,00:46:25
what is it to feel bad feel00:46:30
six nights on the train Leningrad Moscow00:46:35
Why did you allow the repertoire to be compiled like this after00:46:38
all,00:46:46
then I say it, there are Two00:46:49
monsters in the Soviet theater and in the Soviet00:46:51
Union Maybe it’s you and I00:46:55
heard that Slavyan was calling, but then I didn’t00:46:58
know what they communicate closely, they just00:47:00
grew up by chance because they worked at the00:47:03
Mossovet theater with these two, which00:47:08
directors will use to carry water all their lives. And you will treat it calmly,00:47:12
he was the kind of person who00:47:16
worked a lot, not only each in his own00:47:18
theater, but also on the radio on television in00:47:22
cinema00:47:23
and It’s strange that in these works we00:47:26
never met, but we were of course familiar, we00:47:29
saw each other on stage and everything00:47:34
could be for our quarrel, we were the00:47:40
same color, I don’t know.00:47:45
Well, naturally, we never met on the Theater stage00:47:48
and yet he00:47:50
occupied certain places in my life,00:47:55
I loved him and loved him dearly,00:48:01
he was 10 years younger than me, but I did00:48:03
n’t feel it. Because when I saw00:48:06
him for the first time on stage, he was already a mature00:48:09
master, it00:48:11
became common place to write and talk about00:48:15
his intelligence, but this he00:48:18
already had an innate quality,00:48:21
his father's genes clearly showed up in him00:48:29
for the furniture in one of the rooms00:48:33
in his article about Popov, she very accurately00:48:36
named the quality00:48:40
that an actor must have in order to00:48:43
sound like Chekhov,00:48:48
of course,00:48:53
but for me he was also00:48:57
essentially I can also be like00:49:00
Chekhov’s man00:49:04
in the Crimea. I loved playing this00:49:07
game. I remember, of course. Today I can00:49:10
visit Anton Pavlovich Chekhov at his00:49:15
Yalta dacha. Whom I’ll take with me so that the00:49:18
owner will have a nice time and not compare himself,00:49:21
and Popov is always the first number in my mind00:49:23
was absolutely00:49:27
convinced that Chekhov would really like him with00:49:31
his restraint and spiritual00:49:34
grace and his charming00:49:37
hidden humor00:49:41
[music]00:49:54
[music]00:50:16
and blood00:50:19
Yes blood I00:50:25
came, I saw I won00:50:29
I swear to you part of I am beginning to believe in00:50:32
my genius, listen to the hell out of you,00:50:34
just listen and be surprised,00:50:36
old man I found 400:50:40
I often think that in the lives of each of us00:50:48
what I called00:50:50
the longing for a missed opportunity happens when you didn’t00:50:54
do something, suddenly you start00:50:56
to be executed Why then didn’t you do00:50:58
this and so on and so forth and00:51:01
with these plaintive Why And so much time is00:51:04
running out.00:51:08
Why does it live in my soul in00:51:11
relation00:51:13
to Andrei?00:51:15
Why did00:51:18
we become close so late?00:51:20
We became close and this happened00:51:25
several years before his death, but who00:51:28
of us could have thought then, but suddenly they00:51:34
became close, became00:51:36
friends, began to visit each other friend and00:51:39
vodka together00:51:45
Suddenly this word is inaccurate, I think that we had been00:51:49
subconsciously attracted to00:51:53
each other for a long time and this rapprochement of ours00:51:55
promised, of course,00:51:57
interesting and lasting male friendship in the00:52:01
future00:52:03
When I got to know Andrey better,00:52:07
I was glad that I guessed him correctly from a distance I00:52:12
appreciated everything his qualities00:52:15
were all like this,00:52:19
but one thing We didn’t have,00:52:22
they didn’t find a future00:52:26
because00:52:30
death came00:52:34
I treat the00:52:38
lost soul of00:52:41
God’s servant to zafamin00:52:45
[music]00:52:48
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[music]00:54:41
and this moment was precious You're not00:54:45
Can you imagine what a pleasure it was to00:54:47
go up to him and stand up and then the00:54:50
audience looks at him It doesn’t matter What he’s00:54:52
playing But he applauds just for him, a00:54:55
beautiful person It’s wonderful and I’m standing00:54:58
next to him And just like that, if you want, at least they’re00:55:00
filming more That’s what it was, well,00:55:07
extremely fortunate I see00:55:11
But what I won’t say00:55:28
[applause]00:55:33
you don’t know00:55:38
friends of course who wanted00:55:43
Andrey I really want you to00:55:47
come to my house00:55:54
just to cross the threshold of even a00:55:58
good close friend so as00:56:01
always I was hanging out and hanging out then I kept00:56:05
thinking00:56:11
I had such stupid thoughts00:56:20
never said these words after that00:56:30
how he00:56:33
perceives Who like her Who00:56:37
perceives her like what she will say if Irina00:56:39
she rarely enters into dialogue when guests are an00:56:45
artist in extreme cases only to you00:56:48
in a row00:56:52
But if Irina Vladimirovna suddenly started to00:56:55
say something He00:56:58
he was blushing inside, God knows what00:57:02
he was both proud and indignant of, keep00:57:11
track of everyone yes00:57:17
[music] of00:57:20
the year00:57:24
[music]00:57:40
entrance00:57:42
balcony dimly lit and room nursery00:57:48
smile and appearance and eyebrows00:57:53
and mouth00:57:57
he was always forced to00:58:00
compromise and deceive call white00:58:02
Black and black white00:58:05
and now it’s00:58:06
coming. I don’t want to say it’s come, but00:58:09
the time is coming. Andrei Popova, now00:58:15
I can imagine how his00:58:17
wings would not spread, how his00:58:19
back would straighten, what he would do now,00:58:23
I’m convinced that he left the theater of the00:58:26
Soviet Army Not because he00:58:27
was disillusioned with the profession of00:58:29
director Not because he had a00:58:32
difficult relationship with the corpse, he was convinced that00:58:34
he was loved by his charm as a person, he00:58:38
would be able to unite all this, he was00:58:41
tired of fighting with lies, it00:58:47
seems to me that at one moment he00:58:49
realized that he really couldn’t face the wall00:58:53
you will live and that it is00:58:58
pointless to butt heads with an oak tree,00:59:00
and since he is a man of00:59:03
endless life, a hatch00:59:06
with some kind of flame in his chest,00:59:09
someone came out in different ways because of the situation, someone left,00:59:14
someone00:59:15
went to another profession, someone00:59:18
became isolated, someone00:59:20
Andrei Alekseevich was drinking something, giving up something, trying to00:59:24
live, trying to live,00:59:27
trying to find, even in those difficult times,00:59:30
some vital energy, vital00:59:32
juices.00:59:34
And not only did he try to live, he00:59:36
also tried to instill faith in others, as he00:59:40
inspired, as he helped Oleg Nikolaevich get out of00:59:43
some kind of melancholy,00:59:45
who00:59:49
also went through the same struggle, it was00:59:52
already reaching white heat,00:59:55
here is such a person who is difficult without him01:00:01
[music]01:00:38
So you play in the Classics01:00:43
then I was little; the drawings were01:00:46
different, different rules,01:00:48
explain how now they play for a long time nothing, why do01:00:54
you need it? I’m interested, there’s01:01:12
nothing 6 golden01:01:18
[music]01:01:34
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You’re very old01:01:42
[music]01:01:46
[applause]01:01:48
such the most unique advice,01:01:51
sometimes rare and01:01:55
in some strange place somewhere01:01:58
we go to the park bureau let's say01:02:03
he says01:02:05
you know that there was no01:02:11
need to do such exercises and there01:02:20
were no minutes01:02:24
Fate brought us together Unfortunately to my01:02:27
regret the Great much later and in01:02:30
general there was only one job in Oblomov01:02:32
and he played Zakhar when we offered01:02:35
him, at the01:02:37
suggestion of my classmate Seryozha01:02:40
Artamonov,01:02:42
a patrol01:02:57
we invited Andrei Alekseevich, he01:02:59
came01:03:01
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I tried my best to be independent01:03:07
and respectful Although it took me01:03:11
a year to play Zakhar.01:03:14
Look at it this way, maybe you still understand. I01:03:16
understand that they can generally play the role.01:03:17
But still, maybe you’re interested in me01:03:19
you looked down on me Look, at01:03:22
least read it,01:03:24
let's try,01:03:27
we put a very small light,01:03:31
people walked behind him so that it was clear01:03:33
that we were not filming yet, put him to sleep, or he saw that I was01:03:38
filming him. Or maybe01:03:42
not, he01:03:45
stared at one point with such strength01:03:48
[applause]01:03:54
[music]01:03:59
I think, Lord01:04:02
[applause] I do01:04:03
n’t need anything, I don’t need anything, I have this01:04:06
huge face with a belly with a bald head and who01:04:11
growls like a dog sitting on the couch of bedbugs01:04:15
and growls for God knows what, this is01:04:21
still not fixed for you01:04:25
to call Or you need to fix it You only broke it01:05:12
and the dust and dirt are cobwebs01:05:16
I sometimes see a bug on the wall01:05:18
my fleas are disgusting01:05:23
and I shouldn’t laugh Zakhar A Clean up01:05:30
Clean up is better01:05:33
everything is great you01:06:24
need to take it Yes back and forth but nothing01:06:27
works, we call his assistant01:06:31
and he’s already in complete despair I need to start01:06:34
sewing a costume, rehearse, I take a contract01:06:37
and come here01:06:39
to this apartment,01:06:41
I go in and say, dressed in spring,01:06:46
in a hat in a fur coat, I say01:06:52
okay, but he says I won’t,01:06:57
believe me,01:06:59
I won’t.01:07:02
Well, now take off your hat, I’m shaved,01:07:07
here I saw01:07:13
[music]01:07:17
If you refuse No, you know that01:07:23
they laughed with me01:07:26
for a long time passed out01:07:31
called me what I am01:07:45
all men I said I’ll go to him if he01:07:49
doesn’t sign01:07:52
we are all shaved we must say the actor’s word01:07:57
He agreed and this moment when01:07:59
his ceremonial shaving when the whole group01:08:04
happy shaved01:08:08
hate me and enjoying the fact that01:08:12
now it will be popular to influence01:08:29
here it is important because it’s not01:08:34
for nothing that I say that there you01:08:37
are used to it, but for me, for myself, could it be a01:08:44
miracle for me,01:08:48
where is my letter01:09:05
some kind of feeling of each other01:09:09
And somehow I felt Trust, I01:09:12
suddenly felt for sure01:09:16
that his attitude to life,01:09:20
to the world, to people is01:09:23
very deep Christian.01:09:28
That is, this is not01:09:30
just such kindness because you need to01:09:33
be kind;01:09:35
deep philosophical Christian01:09:41
religious character,01:09:43
because it seems to me that he is one of those people01:09:46
who clearly understood that man is not a01:09:49
means01:09:50
and I think that this was reflected in all his01:09:53
life01:09:56
and he had such a wife, it was no coincidence that01:10:00
this woman01:10:06
could not have been another,01:10:08
this man could not have had01:10:13
a friend, that is, this is what the world began. Yes01:10:16
this table is a spoon this is this01:10:19
woman this is all one and indivisible of this01:10:25
particular person with rules and everything And01:10:29
more already01:10:33
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What are you standing on bending over01:10:57
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as if01:11:17
to rub it in for a01:11:21
walk you went out01:11:26
and like a drunken watchman,01:11:30
going out onto the road,01:11:35
drowning in01:11:40
I froze my leg in a snowdrift01:11:45
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but not fallen,01:12:33
but green all over01:12:37
[music]01:12:43
[music]01:12:51
but there are some words that you01:12:54
would say today Andrey Alekseevich01:12:57
I would like to just be with him I would like to be01:13:00
simply impossible01:13:06
embarrassed I am01:13:09
embarrassed too I I would dream, but although you know,01:13:16
I believe that01:13:18
nothing disappears,01:13:21
man, all people, one way or another, are orphans who01:13:24
have always lost their mother.01:13:27
Our small earth is, in general, a01:13:32
cemetery, so to speak.01:13:34
But if you don’t think about the fact that there is an01:13:37
eternal soul, human memory of a01:13:40
person,01:13:41
therefore the feeling that he01:13:44
exists, that he is here,01:13:48
why is it called shame? Speak to01:13:51
someone there No, it’s not true because there is01:13:54
still a feeling that behind his back he is01:13:57
here,01:14:00
but of all the roles that, from01:14:04
your point of view, what is the most successful? You01:14:18
worked with him in three together things,01:14:24
but it still seems to me better than his01:14:28
achievements as an actor, deep where there01:14:32
was the theater, so to speak, and he revealed01:14:36
his individuality and this is what01:14:39
they were talking about today, some kind of01:14:41
accumulation that was still probably01:14:44
staged01:15:05
Yes, this is God’s Wrath And I killed my son’s creatures01:15:14
Yes, he fell between the door window once, he just01:15:18
screamed and fell, he wanted to grab the reins,01:15:24
but he couldn’t, and suddenly he fell and his blood01:15:28
Israel on the floor01:15:33
[applause] for01:15:38
my sins in the01:15:41
soul of a brute01:16:04
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hello, here we are again, all comrades, all of you,01:16:32
you’re already late, you’re already crossed out, let01:16:35
us pass No, it's too late to listen to us01:16:39
We've been watching dances all day, we're not01:16:42
convicts, we don't want to go home,01:16:44
but we want to sing, we can't help but drink [01:16:50
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Творческий портрет режиссера, педагога, артиста театра и кино н.а. СССР Андрея Алексеевича Попова. Более 35 лет он проработал в Центральном академическом театре Советской армии сначала актером, а затем главным режиссером. С 1974 года и до конца жизни - актер МХАТ имени М.Горького. В доме А.А.Попова его вдова Ирина Владимировна Македонская-Попова встречает гостей: режиссеров Леонида Хейфеца, Олега Ефремова, Бориса Морозова, Никиту Михалкова, актеров Анастасию Вознесенскую, Людмилу Касаткину, Ию Саввину, Иннокентия Смоктуновского, Андрея Мягкова, Ростислава Плятта, Владимира Сошальского, авторов передачи Галину Скоробогатову и Виталия Максимова. Главная редакция литературно-драматических программ, 1989 Автор сценария - Виталий Максимов Автор сценария - Галина Скоробогатова Режиссер - Галина Самойлова Оператор - Александр Пугачев Оператор - Ефим Уманов Оператор - Леонид Кудрявцев Мы в соцсетях: Яндекс. Дзен - https://dzen.ru/fond Telegram - https://t.me/gosteleradiofond VK - https://vk.com/teleradiofond OK - https://ok.ru/gosteleradiofond ▶Подписаться на канал "Советские фильмы": https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7FDlGcSUqeSZHh1LRMM1OQ?sub_confirmation=1
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