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Good evening, dear viewers, the00:00:24
movement of the national democratic00:00:27
pole today, January 10, Tuesday on the air of the00:00:29
evening podcast of the pole This is the first00:00:32
episode of the pole podcast this year in 2300:00:34
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this, so you will thereby allow us to increase the00:00:53
audience of our movement, thereby00:00:55
informing them about the development of00:00:59
events around our state and00:01:01
Let me introduce our00:01:03
guest today to our guest today, the chief00:01:06
editor of the information agency00:01:08
realist sarkistaturyan Good evening00:01:10
Good evening glad to see you It’s pretty good to see you on00:01:14
air today We hope it will be00:01:17
full of questions and good answers00:01:20
It’s up to you they’re up to me00:01:23
Let’s see how the situation goes and00:01:26
before moving on to questions for our00:01:28
guest I want to warn our viewers that In00:01:30
any case, the opinion and point of view of00:01:32
our guest may not coincide with the00:01:34
opinion and position of our movement, I00:01:36
also ask you to take this into account so that there are no00:01:38
other misunderstandings,00:01:42
sir, let's start with this, firstly,00:01:45
you lived in Russia for a long time. When did I00:01:49
find out what you moving to Armenia,00:01:51
I gave up. That is, I immediately wanted to00:01:54
ask for a long time, what are the plans around00:01:57
Armenia?00:01:59
Let’s start our conversation today with this.00:02:02
I moved to live in Armenia and this is a decision00:02:07
that will determine my future fate.00:02:11
I made this decision several years00:02:14
ago, just the last00:02:17
year. one and a half I was preparing to move But with00:02:21
God's help I managed to move00:02:24
now00:02:25
and regarding plans for the long term What do you00:02:29
think is final00:02:35
I was preparing00:02:38
until now I am writing a book I am already finishing the00:02:41
book I am writing this book for the Armenian00:02:43
people in order to00:02:48
help formulate the political00:02:50
ideology of the Armenian people because in a00:02:54
period when00:02:56
many European nations, not only00:02:58
European ones, acquired an ideology. I00:03:01
mean the period of the Great French00:03:02
Revolution.00:03:03
Armenia at that moment was occupied and00:03:07
divided and, accordingly, Armenian00:03:09
intellectuals did not have time to00:03:12
formulate it for various reasons. I took on the00:03:14
responsibility of writing a00:03:17
book called the Armenian dream.00:03:21
wrote for the Armenians, so I00:03:24
moved to Armenia in order to00:03:26
finish this book in Armenia itself, to00:03:29
present to the Armenian people the Armenian00:03:32
dream by analogy with the American dream,00:03:34
so to speak, No, it has no00:03:36
analogies, the point is simply that the Armenian00:03:39
people must00:03:41
restore their dream, this dream was in the00:03:45
army, for some reason00:03:48
beyond our control, we00:03:51
lost this dream and somewhere from 38700:03:57
after the division of Armenia between Byzantium and00:04:00
Iran until now we have not00:04:03
restored the Armenian dream. Therefore,00:04:07
now I have taken upon myself the responsibility00:04:10
to formulate this dream if the Armenian00:04:12
people do not dream and do not have an Armenian00:04:16
dream, then they will serve the Turkish dream, the00:04:18
Russian dream, the Iranian dream, the00:04:22
American dream, that is, we will00:04:24
build mansions, castles, palaces, hospitals00:04:27
for other peoples, but again we will00:04:31
forget about ourselves about our people if we do00:04:35
not restore our dream00:04:38
perhaps before you, they did00:04:41
n’t write00:04:44
about the Armenian language through their own prism;00:04:46
they wrote, of course they wrote. In this case, I00:04:50
don’t claim any exclusivity,00:04:53
but this book will be a completely different00:04:56
work;00:04:57
not only will it be published, you will have00:04:59
the opportunity to get acquainted with it and you will00:05:01
feel the difference; you will00:05:04
understand how it differs from previous00:05:06
works, that is, it is so casual and00:05:08
superficial, you won’t say anything00:05:10
different in your book compared to00:05:13
there with gariken needed and the asatryan website00:05:15
before its release. I think that we will keep00:05:18
a little intrigue as soon as it comes out00:05:21
if you are interested we can00:05:23
separately This is good We hope we will discuss00:05:26
Let's then move on to our00:05:30
global issues00:05:34
Naturally, for our viewers, it is00:05:36
no secret to you that for exactly a month00:05:38
Artsakh has been under blockade,00:05:40
120 thousand of our compatriots00:05:43
are in fact in the zone of a humanitarian00:05:46
catastrophe and in connection with which a00:05:49
state has also taken place The Security Council,00:05:51
if you remember, but at which the00:05:53
representative of the Republic of Armenia had a00:05:56
very weak speech, and since00:05:59
he had an excellent opportunity00:06:00
to ask or demand from the00:06:03
Security Council, he brought international peacekeepers to the region00:06:09
to ensure the00:06:10
safety of the00:06:12
residents of Artsakh, their right to life.00:06:15
and what was not done by the00:06:19
representatives of the Republic of00:06:20
Armenia, he had a great00:06:21
opportunity to do it, but he missed this chance00:06:25
and sir, what do you think about00:06:28
all this? Why, after a month, is there no00:06:30
solution to this problem regarding the00:06:32
blockade of Artsakh and how can you00:06:35
characterize the reaction to what is happening the00:06:37
first from the so-called Armenian00:06:39
authorities, the second from the CSTO and in particular from00:06:44
Russia, and of course the third from the00:06:46
international community00:06:48
in order to understand the general situation00:06:50
around Artsakh and around the blocking of the00:06:53
Stepanakert Guris highway. And I insist00:06:56
on exactly this wording. That is, I just00:06:59
often saw it in the Armenian press00:07:02
Azerbaijani and Russian00:07:04
formulations Lachin corridor is00:07:08
not a corridor at all, it is the Stepanakerburis highway00:07:10
which flows through the occupied, I00:07:13
would say temporarily occupied00:07:15
Armenian territory, because if we00:07:18
call00:07:20
the route Stepanaker speaks of the Lachin00:07:22
corridor, then we thereby lexically00:07:27
legal whatever we want Recognize Berdzor00:07:30
and Karvachchar as part of Azerbaijan I I do not00:07:33
recognize00:07:35
our province as part of Azerbaijan I do not00:07:38
recognize the state of Azerbaijan Therefore,00:07:40
I believe that this is an occupied route00:07:43
from a global point of view, I see00:07:45
the following00:07:48
in 1920 dash00:07:51
192100:07:54
Bolshevik Russia and the00:07:57
Turkish regime00:08:00
divided Great Armenia into two parts00:08:03
again00:08:05
and now00:08:08
Well, accordingly,00:08:11
Moscow received control over the Eastern00:08:13
Army and Ankara gained control over the00:08:17
Western Army00:08:18
and now00:08:21
the division of00:08:24
Eastern Armenia has already begun, that is, the former00:08:27
Soviet00:08:29
territories are controlled territories under00:08:32
mandated occupation,00:08:34
yes, or so00:08:37
between, respectively, the00:08:41
Turkish leadership and the Russian00:08:42
leadership, that is, Russia is retreating00:08:45
Russia is leaving the region,00:08:48
contrary to propaganda cliches and00:08:51
Russia, together with the Turks, together with the00:08:54
Baku regime,00:08:55
is already trying to carry out a division of the00:08:59
Eastern Army itself and Artsakh is part of that00:09:03
same Eastern Armenia, not only Artsakh00:09:06
and other Armenian provinces,00:09:10
Aliyev00:09:12
has very little time left,00:09:15
according to my estimates,00:09:18
he has time left somewhere until May dash00:09:21
June00:09:24
23, therefore Aliyev, together with the00:09:29
Russian military contingent, in00:09:32
agreement with the Turks, went to00:09:34
block the Stepanakergoris highway.00:09:37
If he had the opportunity to forcefully00:09:40
enter the regions to slaughter the Armenian00:09:43
population, now he has done this, while he is00:09:47
trying another option,00:09:50
such as00:09:53
soft ethnic cleansing in quotes then00:09:57
there is to create a crisis situation00:09:59
in which a00:10:03
food crisis will be artificially provoked, a crisis in the supply of00:10:06
medicines in order to open the floodgates after some time00:10:09
and00:10:13
provoke an outflow of the indigenous00:10:15
Armenian population and Zarzakh00:10:18
if he does not do this before May or June,00:10:22
then he will never do it because the00:10:26
curator of the Aliyev regime is00:10:30
Erdogan00:10:32
where -in the spring and summer, he will be forced to00:10:36
either start a civil war within the country00:10:39
in order to retain power or attack00:10:43
Greece. One of the two. Both of them00:10:48
significantly reduce Aliyev’s potential and00:10:52
Aliyev’s ability to get Artsakh and00:10:56
Sulik,00:10:57
so he is in a hurry.00:11:00
Of course, he is not doing this alone, like me I have00:11:03
already said that everything is in coordination with00:11:06
Moscow and Ankara and Judging by the reaction of the Armenian00:11:10
authorities, they are not strongly opposed.00:11:12
I first spoke about the need to bring in00:11:17
international peacekeepers back in March00:11:23
2022 and the Armenian authorities constantly00:11:26
ignored this topic,00:11:29
they acted very logically, very00:11:31
consistently, at first the Pashinyan regime00:11:34
gave in korvachar00:11:37
then00:11:39
we observed with you at the end of summer the surrender, it00:11:44
is clear that in agreement with the tsarist00:11:47
authorities This all happened, but we00:11:50
just Our Movement emphasized this and00:11:51
indicated How the meetings with00:11:54
Vitaly Polozanyan took place, there is no secret in this,00:11:56
the video materials,00:12:00
in principle, I did not hide this because00:12:02
that this was done publicly and on camera,00:12:05
and so on,00:12:06
so the female00:12:09
editor, whatever it is, Khaki-naz visited with their00:12:12
permission calmly. Today they have00:12:15
the final stage, the00:12:17
final stage, they want to create the00:12:20
most conflict-heavy situation,00:12:23
I wouldn’t call what is happening a00:12:25
humanitarian disaster because that we00:12:28
must be very careful00:12:29
in our wording00:12:31
if we call it a disaster, well,00:12:33
you know, this is a war crime,00:12:37
I classify the actions of Aliyev and his00:12:40
accomplices in relation to Artsakh as a00:12:42
war crime. The blockade is a war00:12:45
crime. For some reason, I am surprised by the00:12:49
reaction of many of my Russian colleagues,00:12:52
or rather the absence of this reaction.00:12:55
because the entire Russian information machine00:12:58
over the past at least00:13:01
70-plus years has been talking about the siege of00:13:04
Leningrad, it based its00:13:08
information policy on the fact that00:13:10
the siege survivors suffered00:13:12
and this thereby showed the face of00:13:15
German fascism00:13:18
for some reason some of my00:13:22
colleagues do not have such00:13:24
an association What is the difference between our Artsakh and00:13:27
Leningrad now at the moment is00:13:30
no different,00:13:32
so we must understand that everything that is00:13:36
happening now in relation to our00:13:38
people will00:13:39
one way or another turn into a boomerang for00:13:42
those who organize it,00:13:44
this of course is beyond00:13:47
politics, but I am sure of this00:13:52
if a little since the00:13:55
main theses characterize00:13:57
exactly00:13:59
the position of the authorities. That is, as much as I would00:14:04
like to, but still,00:14:08
to some extent, you said if00:14:10
we add on this issue the reaction00:14:12
between communities to the ongoing00:14:15
blockade of the00:14:17
International community, by which in00:14:19
this case I mean the United States00:14:22
European countries00:14:24
India China Iran00:14:29
they spoke out unequivocally, some judged,00:14:33
some did not condemn, but in general00:14:36
the reaction was quite vigorous. Unfortunately, there00:14:38
was no proper reaction from the00:14:43
Yerevan governors, I call them00:14:45
that because they do not pursue00:14:47
the interests of the Armenian people instead in00:14:50
order to support the people in this00:14:53
situation,00:14:55
Pashinyan declares that, according to00:14:58
some mythical resolutions of the00:15:01
UN Security Council, Fathers is part of the00:15:03
Baku regime. That is, he repeats00:15:06
the fakes that the Aliyev regime has been replicating for decades00:15:09
and which have been replicated in00:15:13
Moscow00:15:14
about Azerbaijani media resources and00:15:17
activists;00:15:18
moreover, Hysteria is being whipped up they say that people are00:15:24
swelling from hunger, of course00:15:28
people are suffering hard,00:15:31
but to call it as the00:15:34
Armenian media are trying to present it by escalating00:15:36
the situation.00:15:38
I believe that this is complicity in00:15:40
a Crime,00:15:41
complicity because00:15:43
probably their Hope is that00:15:46
then, by agreement with the Russian00:15:49
contingent, the Baku regime will I will00:15:52
temporarily unblock and the people00:15:57
will run away, that is, they don’t know the people of Artsar well,00:16:01
they don’t know the sheep well, they don’t understand the00:16:05
nature of these people who are pushing, I00:16:09
think there is another goal here, to00:16:12
attract the attention of the world00:16:14
media and, in general, other major powers in the00:16:17
world so that they can provide their impact00:16:20
on the same Azerbaijan is also an important00:16:23
goal. They already have an impact. But00:16:25
today, the Westernizers, the French, the Americans do not00:16:29
receive the proper reaction from the00:16:37
people of Artsakh themselves; they do not receive the proper reaction from the Armenian intelligentsia, where is the Armenian00:16:39
intelligentsia? Why did the Armenian00:16:41
intelligentsia not flood the00:16:43
international authorities with letters? Why00:16:46
can the French write collective letter00:16:48
to gather more than 200 intellectuals and00:16:52
appeal to the international community00:16:53
where the Armenian intellectuals00:16:55
where they disappeared I don’t know who you00:17:00
mean which intelligentsia Well, let’s say I’ll00:17:04
answer from the outside using what we wrote in00:17:08
Armenia00:17:09
addressed between the structures00:17:12
as not just directly Just letters We are00:17:15
directly with ours supporters were at the00:17:17
representative office in Yerevan they00:17:19
sent a letter from the French Embassy to00:17:21
all the states there, too, if France to the states,00:17:24
naturally we, that is, the pole always00:17:28
has its finger on the pulse and always tries to be there,00:17:34
we don’t follow like that from the outside We are always on the00:17:37
front line, which I can’t say about other people00:17:40
if you blame the intelligentsia00:17:43
I think I use part of this00:17:45
intelligentsia we do this I00:17:48
can’t say about the rest I’m not responsible for them00:17:50
I would like it to00:17:52
be consolidated00:17:55
to highlight mutual problems00:17:59
and in the end It’s not my fault not Vinopolis00:18:03
because 30 days and a question because00:18:06
this is a consequence of the policy00:18:09
that has been in Armenia these last 3000:18:12
years when you correctly00:18:14
noted that society is maximally00:18:16
polarized, that is, we have become very00:18:21
resistant to political contradictions and00:18:24
all these supposedly political forces00:18:27
have become even more dividing the people just for00:18:30
every faction, I agree with you. That00:18:32
is, what’s more, in today’s00:18:35
situation, this is very sad00:18:36
and it’s affecting us, we can’t find a00:18:38
common language. Unfortunately, even we just00:18:40
recently held an action in connection with the blockades,00:18:43
we called on00:18:46
everyone, that is, here It’s not a question of our00:18:49
views, our goals and objectives. This is a00:18:52
question of the existence of us as a whole, the00:18:55
state of Armenia, our part of00:18:58
Artsakh, our compatriots, Varzakh,00:19:01
these are also our compatriots in the00:19:03
Fatherland. Well, that is, scientific understanding,00:19:06
if we use it,00:19:07
but what00:19:08
we have is that, in fact, this00:19:12
is precisely one of the goals unifications around00:19:14
specifically Armenian interests is that they are00:19:17
pursuing our authorities.00:19:19
Unfortunately, that is, the governors you yourself00:19:22
gave such an assessment on the spot cannot00:19:24
defend the interests of our state,00:19:26
our nation, unfortunately.00:19:29
But the question then is the following: what will00:19:33
we do? To correct this situation00:19:35
To give reasons for this so that in00:19:39
order to eliminate these reasons disparately,00:19:42
without this we will not be able to go further until00:19:45
we begin to unite around not00:19:47
any individuals or parties There and so00:19:50
on, but precisely the goal, that is, when it is the00:19:53
idea that is at the head and not some00:19:55
individual person. We do not As I myself am00:19:58
not a religious person, but still, in order00:20:00
not to set idols for myself. As00:20:04
the Bible says,00:20:07
first of all, I’ll00:20:09
start with something more mundane.00:20:12
Today, the00:20:13
Baku regime acts in alliance with the00:20:17
Russian contingent of the Union Kremlin and in00:20:20
alliance with the Turkish regime,00:20:23
and00:20:25
we must balance00:20:28
the situation accordingly,00:20:31
we must do everything so that Vartsakhe and00:20:35
everything Niki00:20:37
appears as a00:20:40
counterbalance; this counterbalance can and00:20:45
should become an international00:20:46
peacekeeping force00:20:49
in the history of Armenia there were such precedents:00:20:53
wise Armenian kings who fought against the00:20:57
occupation of their lands, they always00:21:00
tried to attract00:21:02
third countries in order to00:21:04
balance the situation.00:21:06
Take the example of King Artashes,00:21:10
who skillfully took advantage the fact that the00:21:15
Greeks came to the region,00:21:18
after Alexander00:21:21
the Great00:21:22
defeated Daria the third after the Battle of Gaugamela, the00:21:26
Armenians got the opportunity to00:21:28
free themselves from the domination of the00:21:33
Persian feudal lords. After all, we were long-distanced of the00:21:36
Persian king in the late00:21:38
period, tributaries00:21:45
during the later Osemenids during the early ones. No, we00:21:47
were allies here, a very important00:21:49
point we must note this, that is, we00:21:53
must diversify our00:21:55
foreign policy. But why00:21:59
cannot the ruler of Armenia diversify the00:22:01
foreign policy of the army? Because the00:22:05
internal policy of Armenia itself, the00:22:07
economic policy of Armenia is00:22:09
monopolized by the00:22:12
same forces that00:22:15
monopolized the Armenian foreign00:22:16
policy00:22:18
and the Armenian ruling class led by00:22:20
Pashinyan he cannot carry out this00:22:22
diversification00:22:25
and the result of the lack of this00:22:28
diversification is the current00:22:30
situation,00:22:31
because not only00:22:34
Western countries are interested in00:22:36
leading a peacekeeping contingent in00:22:40
Artsakh,00:22:41
the corresponding initiative00:22:44
was informally outlined by the Iranian side and00:22:48
no one is talking about it in Yerevan. I00:22:51
mean from the representatives of the Armenian00:22:52
ruling class when it was,00:22:54
it was00:22:57
somewhere at the beginning of 2021 and not formally,00:23:03
this is how it manifested itself, well, a00:23:05
delegation arrived and proposed that the00:23:06
Armenian ruling class pretended that00:23:08
it saw nothing and heard nothing, that00:23:11
is, a lot of missed opportunities. And how00:23:15
might the Iranian one be different?00:23:18
Peacekeepers from the Russians00:23:20
that today's Iran It supports00:23:25
those peoples who are fighting against00:23:28
Turkish imperialism The Iranians today00:23:31
support the Kurdish militia of Syria00:23:34
The Iranians today support the00:23:37
Yemeni Houthis from the imperialists00:23:40
who, led by Ariad, are carrying out an00:23:44
invasion of genocide of the Yemenis Iran is pursuing a00:23:47
progressive foreign policy in the region00:23:49
you know how much Iran spends00:23:56
about 10 billion dollars annually to support the Syrian army and the Syrian state, and why does he00:24:01
do this? Why are Iranian proxies, the Iranian00:24:05
king, along with the chickens,00:24:07
together with Hezbola, participated in00:24:10
the liberation of Aleppo? Why Because he is00:24:14
fighting Turkish imperialism and he is00:24:17
fighting not only in Syria but00:24:19
also in Iraq It’s00:24:20
not just that today00:24:23
skirmishes continue between certain00:24:25
groups and Iranian forces in Iraq00:24:28
Why Iran, which allocates 10 billion dollars00:24:32
to support the00:24:34
Syrian state, cannot allocate00:24:36
these funds to support Armenia Maybe it00:24:39
simply does not see in Armenia an00:24:42
independent partner with which00:24:44
it can deal with00:24:46
I will give a more ancient example about which00:24:49
many Armenians also forgot, much to my00:24:52
regret, I mean the Union of00:24:55
King Tigran 1 and Cyrus 2 Achaemenid as00:25:02
a result of this Union In the middle of the 5th century00:25:04
BC, a mussel which several00:25:09
decades earlier plundered00:25:13
Yerevan which forced the Armenian00:25:15
kingdom pay tribute to this media through the efforts of00:25:19
two allies of the Armenian king Tigran and00:25:23
Cyrus 200:25:24
this mussel was divided after the division of the00:25:28
mussels00:25:30
king Tigran created the city of Hyde and00:25:32
resettled a number of Kurdish00:25:37
leaders of the mussels here in this Armenian00:25:39
province And after that for00:25:42
about00:25:44
150-170 for years, Armenia prospered and00:25:48
flourished, this is a concrete example00:25:50
of alliance; moreover, they did00:25:53
n’t stop there.00:25:55
Tigran the first and Cyrus the second, through joint00:25:58
efforts,00:26:00
liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity,00:26:03
these Armenians then went to fight with00:26:05
Babylon, the fact that Babylon and Media were00:26:07
allies,00:26:09
here’s an example,00:26:11
but if you go back these days,00:26:13
look, I think you agree with me, what00:26:16
someone likes doesn’t like, but00:26:19
Russia will be forced to leave the region,00:26:22
that is, we are seeing events in Ukraine And00:26:25
she will not be able to stay here for long, she is00:26:28
losing her resources, both military and00:26:31
financial, that is in many planes00:26:33
and the fact that we are also observing one of the00:26:37
indicators of its weakness,00:26:40
and so you propose, let’s say in this00:26:43
case now it’s early options, but00:26:46
this is one of the options, not only00:26:49
Iran’s options, there are the French and the Americans, my00:26:52
thesis is that the00:26:55
Armenian ruling class has been for decades00:26:58
conducted negotiations under the auspices of the Minsk Group00:27:00
Russia is one of the00:27:03
members of the Minsk Group Along with Russia00:27:07
there is France and the United States,00:27:09
France the United States has00:27:11
obligations to the Armenian people00:27:12
since these negotiations were conducted we00:27:15
trusted their diplomat we conducted these00:27:17
negotiations why now the Armenian00:27:19
ruling class is refusing that00:27:21
to invite these countries to call upon00:27:23
this contingent to lead. Why are we again00:27:27
allowing the00:27:30
Russian Turks00:27:32
to divide our lands? Why are we not00:27:34
diversifying this? Moreover, I’ll00:27:37
tell you one thing that,00:27:40
unfortunately, is also rarely talked about.00:27:43
We00:27:44
overestimate the00:27:46
conflict between the Americans and the Iranians.00:27:48
I’ll give you a simple example. So I said00:27:52
about liberation of Aleppo00:27:56
But imagine the logistics for the00:28:00
Iranians to supply their00:28:03
military units in00:28:04
Syria and then transport something else to00:28:07
Lebanon, they also need to travel through cancer. And00:28:11
there are American bases in Iraq. They don’t00:28:13
just transport it by plane. As soon as they they are00:28:16
carrying something on a plane, the Israelis00:28:18
find out about it and hit the Damascus airport, this has00:28:20
happened many times already, but what in the end,00:28:24
what is actually happening from the point of view of00:28:27
rhetoric, the Americans, the Iranians seem to be00:28:29
constantly quarreling with each other, constantly,00:28:32
these imperialists are dissatisfied with something, but according to00:28:36
in fact, the00:28:37
supply of Iranian forces00:28:41
in Iraq, which is also under the00:28:45
American umbrella, is partly an00:28:46
American umbrella, but nevertheless,00:28:49
in Syria, all these logistics routes00:28:52
are under the control of the Americans and00:28:56
partly the French. I mean in Syria, the00:28:58
French survived the French, there is a small00:29:00
presence left in Syria, that is, in Syria00:29:04
The Americans know how to negotiate with the00:29:08
Persians. The Americans do not strongly object to00:29:10
this convoy,00:29:12
which concerns food supplies,00:29:15
weapons, and so on. So why do00:29:18
n’t they now come to an agreement00:29:21
with the Iranians on the issue of Artsakh? They can come00:29:23
to an agreement because their interests00:29:25
coincided. The current American00:29:27
leadership is not benefiting from the situation, the00:29:30
drama that is unfolding today and00:29:32
all some Vartsakhe Moreover, I’ll tell you00:29:38
if I didn’t like this inclination. But00:29:42
if the00:29:44
Armenians had real00:29:47
allied00:29:48
military-political relations with Iran,00:29:51
then the West would show00:29:54
much more interest in Armenia than it00:29:56
shows now00:29:58
because the West sees Armenia as a gateway00:30:01
to Iran The West wants to work with Iran00:30:05
wants to trade with Iran00:30:07
by the West I understand Not only the00:30:09
Americans but also Europe Europe is striving for this00:30:11
and sooner or later Europe00:30:13
will open the doors If the Armenians had these close00:30:18
relations with Iran, then the West00:30:22
Believe me before the year 20 significantly00:30:26
before, he would have provided the Armenians with everything that00:30:29
the Armenians want, including gratuitous00:30:32
free supplies of weapons because the00:30:35
Westerners supply free00:30:37
weapons. We see what is happening now00:30:39
in Ukraine,00:30:41
if they consider this country an allied country, they00:30:43
will arm it, but then why00:30:46
let the West, represented by the States of Europe, not00:30:50
managed to reach an agreement with Iran around the00:30:52
nuclear deal, after all, it is also an00:30:55
important factor, then00:30:57
protests began in Iran, we saw the death00:31:00
penalty applied to the protesters00:31:02
because to the west00:31:05
in the west the West is fighting with conditional00:31:09
democrats and republicans. The Western00:31:12
Elite I have before its conservative part00:31:14
which is determined anti-Iranian to a greater00:31:17
extent, even fascist, she certainly00:31:19
doesn’t want the Iranians to leave the00:31:22
sanctions regime and, moreover, other00:31:25
oil-producing, gas-producing countries, you00:31:28
understand who I’m talking about, they don’t want this either,00:31:31
not only that the West itself,00:31:34
of course, also doesn’t want it,00:31:37
including he involved all his00:31:40
lobbyists in different countries to prevent this from00:31:43
happening,00:31:45
this conservative part00:31:47
of the establishment in the USA and in Europe is00:31:50
resisting Iran’s exit from00:31:53
international isolation, but the00:31:55
democratic00:31:57
Progressive part of the Western ruling00:32:00
class is seeking to00:32:02
unblock Iran and Obama and his00:32:06
Iran Deal are a clear confirmation of this And in00:32:11
connection with the current situation in00:32:13
Ukraine, there is Russia’s action against00:32:15
Ukraine, because Iran also has its share of00:32:18
guilt in relation to the West at a time00:32:21
when the West supports Ukraine Iran00:32:23
supplies drones00:32:25
Well, there are many large authoritative00:32:30
Western media that have proven everything that Iran00:32:32
supplies weapons Russia at a time00:32:34
when Russia has problems with00:32:36
weapons, he has some of00:32:38
them there. But I’m not much of an Expert in military00:32:40
equipment. But still, this is00:32:42
confirmed by the world media. That is, when00:32:45
you talk about different circles there in the00:32:48
West in the States in France, Iran, too, the00:32:51
current regime of the Iranians is not particularly moving00:32:54
towards the West, why is this all00:32:59
and the rhetoric of their real deeds are two00:33:03
completely different things00:33:06
for Iran, the conflict between Russians and Ukrainians00:33:11
is a conflict of00:33:14
the civilization that during the Second00:33:19
World War invaded the territory of00:33:21
Iran and occupied the Northern00:33:23
Iranians they look at the Ukrainian conflict differently, the00:33:29
West certainly noted this and, in principle, the Iranians00:33:33
no longer hide it much,00:33:35
but does the West have a moral right after00:33:39
it did not properly condemn the00:33:43
Turks did not condemn the Israelis for supplying00:33:46
drone technology Does it have the right00:33:50
now to present this to Iran I’m not a00:33:52
lawyer for Iran. Believe me, I’m00:33:54
less interested in this, I’m just00:33:56
saying that if the West makes00:33:59
these demands, they are often justified, they00:34:02
forget they’re justified, then the West00:34:05
still needs to look in the mirror and look at00:34:08
what it did when they killed00:34:12
in other Armenian provinces00:34:14
using Turkish weapons using00:34:17
Russian weapons using Israeli00:34:20
weapons Why was the West silent then00:34:23
and the smell was silent unless00:34:26
someone imposed sanctions against Turkey for00:34:29
supplying bayraktars to the Aliyev regime I didn’t00:34:33
see this information, they took some00:34:35
temporary ones Why should the West00:34:37
introduce sanctions when that the Republic of00:34:39
Armenia refused the help of the same00:34:41
France. This is the first and when at the same time00:34:45
Armenia, after the so-called00:34:48
revolution, was convinced that this was not so in00:34:50
1818, when Armenia remained00:34:54
part of the DKBNI, you did not take any real steps to00:34:57
leave the Russian shackles00:34:59
We understand00:35:02
all the rhetoric is rhetoric, but we understand that00:35:05
in reality it is one thing to say another thing.00:35:08
Armenia did nothing of00:35:10
the kind to restore the sovereignty of the00:35:13
first republic. That00:35:17
is, it did not renounce its ties, there00:35:19
was no illustration of anyone, there00:35:21
was no transitional justice, and so on.00:35:23
nothing of this was done, why00:35:25
then should the West have to00:35:27
condemn Azerbaijan? We understand that there is a00:35:29
civilizational war going on; in fact,00:35:32
today,00:35:33
sooner or later, Turkey will also have its own carva,00:35:37
we are observing what is happening00:35:39
around the entry of Finland and Sweden into00:35:42
NATO is already there today there was just00:35:45
news if we touch on this topic, that is,00:35:47
there was00:35:49
news that the states, without waiting for00:35:52
Turkey’s consent, the offensive of these countries00:35:55
to place their troops on the territory of00:35:56
Finland in Sweden If I’m wrong,00:35:59
as one of the results of these sanctions,00:36:03
sanctions regarding Turkey will be in the00:36:06
future when most likely00:36:08
we see how Russia is trying to circumvent00:36:11
these sanctions through Turkey and00:36:13
China00:36:14
as one, I don’t think that when the West00:36:18
has this opportunity for an00:36:19
alternative to these countries in00:36:23
the form of Ukraine, let’s say the poles have00:36:25
repeatedly stated that Ukraine has00:36:27
the potential to place Turkey as a counterweight to00:36:29
Russia as a deterrent factors when this00:36:32
will be done then and there00:36:34
will be no need for Turkey for the West00:36:37
you made sensible remarks to the00:36:40
Armenian leadership I could even00:36:43
add a few theses of the00:36:49
2020 war could have been avoided00:36:53
if the Armenian ruling class00:36:57
had agreed to the00:36:59
infrastructure project that was00:37:02
proposed by China I have in view of the00:37:04
railway through Iran to Armenia with access00:37:07
to Georgia, the00:37:09
Armenian ruling rejected this00:37:11
road.00:37:12
That is, China had a serious interest in00:37:15
this and, accordingly, this is also one of the00:37:18
missed opportunities by the Armenian00:37:20
leadership. I don’t want to talk00:37:23
about missed opportunities now. I just want to say00:37:25
that we must really00:37:28
work on our mistakes. We must00:37:31
learn to draw the00:37:33
right conclusions from our00:37:35
history. If we, the00:37:38
Armenian ruling class, are00:37:40
not ready to solve pressing problems from00:37:44
security to poverty problems,00:37:47
then it is00:37:49
time for them to00:37:51
retire00:37:54
because they cannot ensure the00:37:56
insecurity of Armenians neither in Artsakh nor in Artsakh. all of00:38:00
Nika, as it turned out, moreover, the Armenian00:38:03
ruling class represented by Pashinyan today00:38:06
believes that00:38:09
the border with Azerbaijan passes one00:38:11
and a half kilometers from Sevan,00:38:15
in fact, this is the same, they actually00:38:18
legalized the posts of the00:38:22
Azerbaijani armed forces one00:38:24
and a half kilometers from Sevan, this is a00:38:27
chemical fact. It depends on us then00:38:29
is with you that is, what actions00:38:31
have been taken by the Armenian people, including the00:38:33
Armenian people, must understand that00:38:40
this Land about which we all live has00:38:43
its own special purpose.00:38:46
This Land was given to the00:38:49
Armenian people so that they00:38:51
spread God's light on this land And00:38:55
if we support the Armenians the power00:39:00
that led to the fact that in Armenia,00:39:02
according to the UN, there are more than half a million people00:39:06
who do not have enough to eat every day.00:39:09
This indicates that we are not coping00:39:11
with our mission.00:39:15
I apologize, we already have some00:39:18
subscribers on Telegram who want to00:39:20
ask questions live Let’s00:39:22
touch on the data questions and then let's00:39:24
continue our conversation okay, so00:39:26
we'll give the floor to Gerary first,00:39:29
please give the floor to you Press the blue00:39:31
button to turn on the microphone and ask00:39:33
your question00:39:39
Hello,00:39:41
louder please, I'm following00:39:45
you Sarkis, I'm glad that you're00:39:48
taking part, here's a question00:39:51
I'm now in Armenia I've00:39:54
decided go to the store there00:39:57
to buy a jacket and for me such big00:39:59
news was that 90 percent of the goods00:40:01
here were brought from Turkey. Although Turkey00:40:05
is the main enemy, so to speak,00:40:07
not even of Azerbaijan. Turkey. How do you feel about00:40:10
this? That is, I could not buy exactly00:40:13
such a Turkish product because that I understand00:40:15
that the profit from this goes to00:40:17
the bayraktar who are bombing our00:40:21
boys already, so let’s say how you treat such a hypocritical00:40:24
movement in Armenia, after00:40:26
all, it’s the Armenians who are to blame. They are someone from the00:40:29
USA of America there or others.00:40:33
Thank you very much for the question,00:40:35
of course we are to blame for this because00:40:39
that the00:40:41
Armenian ruling class lives by00:40:43
some kind of manic, completely00:40:46
idiotic idea that we00:40:50
will make peace with the Turks, we will open00:40:53
the line of contact, I don’t name00:40:56
the borders, this is the line of contact there,00:40:58
our lands are occupied, we will open all00:41:01
borders, we will open and live00:41:04
if we do not produce goods00:41:08
here accordingly, We00:41:11
have to buy these goods from someone, and why don’t we00:41:14
produce these goods because we were00:41:18
unable to organize an economic00:41:20
policy in the interests of the people in the interests of00:41:23
producers? Why couldn’t we00:41:26
because the Armenian economy is completely00:41:28
monopolized?00:41:30
I said this at the very beginning of our00:41:34
current conversations We have very expensive00:41:36
energy resources,00:41:39
we have expensive electricity, expensive gas,00:41:42
we have not diversified energy resources,00:41:45
we have not done anything to ensure that our00:41:48
Armenian producers can00:41:50
produce goods that would be at an00:41:54
affordable price for our citizens,00:41:57
that is, we simply don’t know how to00:42:01
manage. Why don’t we know how to00:42:03
manage because Armenia00:42:08
is ruled by security guards, Armenia is not ruled by00:42:12
business executives who can00:42:14
plant something, grow something or produce something,00:42:18
this is a problem because people are not in00:42:21
their place, a person who00:42:25
is by nature a security guard, he00:42:28
cannot govern the state, he does not00:42:30
understand economy00:42:31
because it has a different function and a different00:42:34
competence Yes, we ourselves are to blame for this and00:42:38
you are absolutely right00:42:39
Yes, there are a lot of goods from Turkey and Believe00:42:42
me there will be even more if we continue to00:42:46
knock on Turkish doors. I don’t00:42:50
understand at all the idea of the so-called normalization of00:42:53
relations with Turkey and the opening00:42:56
I don’t understand the type of relationship because the00:42:59
Turks were primarily interested in this00:43:01
anime: the Turks need to legalize the00:43:05
partition of Armenia in 1921 Because if00:43:09
this partition is not legalized through00:43:11
the establishment of00:43:14
Why Because if there is no00:43:17
legalization of the partition of Armenia in 192100:43:21
then we will talk about the north00:43:25
and one of the 18 Pattisants of Sevre, it was the00:43:30
first Armenian republic, this is00:43:34
still an internationally recognized document, no00:43:36
one has refused this document, it is00:43:39
valid00:43:42
and this is the incomprehensible manic00:43:45
desire of the Armenian ruling class00:43:47
to make friends with the Turks without00:43:50
building any strategic00:43:52
military relations, political relations00:43:55
due with Iran with France, the United00:43:59
States, this is Destroying us00:44:01
Because people are not in their place,00:44:06
but regarding the north, we00:44:09
are one of the signatories of this00:44:12
document because when the First00:44:15
World War happened, we were not a state in00:44:17
fact, but we the world recognized that we made00:44:20
our contribution for that in the future the00:44:24
first Republic of Armenia received in the future00:44:26
the borders According to the arbitration decision, we00:44:30
in fact We created not being a00:44:33
state and took part in the First00:44:35
World War and received in fact In00:44:37
the future, just the same arbitration00:44:39
decision which determined, among other things, the border00:44:43
in the east in fact but We were not00:44:47
able to fix all this legally through a declaration through our00:44:50
Constitutions,00:44:52
since after the collapse of the00:44:56
then Soviet Union, in fact, we00:44:58
saw that the system was preserved by 30 CIS00:45:01
or any other structures of the DKB and00:45:04
everything else, but we did not carry out00:45:06
an illustration, we did not identify those00:45:08
agents who served00:45:10
for the benefit of the Soviet Union for the benefit of00:45:13
this colonial empire00:45:15
and who are still continuing00:45:18
here, I would like a small remark00:45:22
to say that we were given a state, we00:45:25
conquered it,00:45:27
the world recognized that we are then00:45:32
separate countries00:45:36
can00:45:38
defeat the Turkish00:45:41
and Note what then happened00:45:47
on the Day of Victory over the Tsar00:45:50
when the Turks realized that00:45:54
from west to east Yerevan They did not take Yerevan00:45:58
on the day of their defeat under the Armenians,00:46:02
they proclaimed the so-called00:46:04
Azerbaijani Democratic00:46:05
Republic day after day.00:46:08
Why did they do it when they00:46:11
did it Even when there was a defeat in the war,00:46:13
they turned on their centuries-old00:46:16
diplomacy, they created a quasi-00:46:19
state on the day of their defeat from the00:46:22
Armenians, the goal of this quasi-state00:46:25
was the destruction of Eastern Armenia, the00:46:30
physical destruction of Eastern Armenia,00:46:32
and today the00:46:34
current Azerbaijan, as the legal successor of the00:46:37
Azerbaijani Democratic00:46:39
Republic, continues the mission of the00:46:41
physical destruction of00:46:45
Eastern Armenia and it was with this00:46:47
Azerbaijan that00:46:49
Pashinyan and his previous colleagues as00:46:54
head of state conducted these00:46:56
negotiations, we negotiated with the00:46:58
state that was created to00:47:00
destroy us, and we are continuing these00:47:04
negotiations now with the Turkish00:47:06
fascists,00:47:07
and moreover, in parallel to these00:47:11
negotiations,00:47:12
we are not We are conducting no dialogue with the Kurds00:47:17
who are fighting Turkish fascism.00:47:22
We are not conducting any dialogue with the Arab00:47:26
countries who are also fighting Turkish00:47:29
fascism,00:47:30
that is,00:47:32
we initially took the wrong Vector of00:47:35
development, the00:47:37
main question that we must00:47:38
pose00:47:40
to the Turks00:47:42
is the issue of ownership of the Saghrabili, the00:47:45
Armenian genocide was global00:47:48
robbery of the Armenian people in the form of00:47:51
territory, at a minimum, and territories and00:47:55
banks and gold and property, these are00:47:59
property issues. If we establish deep relations with the00:48:02
Turks now with the Erdogan regime,00:48:05
we close the issue00:48:06
with property. But the Turkish bourgeoisie,00:48:10
which today is seizing all sorts of00:48:12
markets with that money, it built this00:48:15
expansion,00:48:17
they did not rob Jewish banks00:48:20
from the Ottomans, they robbed only Armenian00:48:23
banks.00:48:24
And if we establish a type of relationship with this regime,00:48:27
we close this issue00:48:30
and the issue of genocide and everything else is a00:48:33
crime.00:48:35
This is not just idiocy. This is a crime00:48:37
for which we will have to answer, but what to do00:48:41
with the property of the Armenians -Azerbaijan00:48:46
gait you think It’s just that the Baku00:48:50
fascists slaughtered the Armenians,00:48:53
these niches who then filled them in Baku and in00:48:57
other cities of Azerbaijan in the Ganzaki,00:48:59
for example00:49:00
in the Armenian city of Gonzaki, who remembered these niches, the00:49:04
production industry and so00:49:07
on, the Aliyev clan by puck00:49:10
Pasha, it’s also a matter of ownership00:49:12
Why the Armenian ruling class00:49:15
will not question the00:49:17
property that was lost by the00:49:19
Armenians in Baku in Gonzak in other00:49:22
cities00:49:23
Why don’t we raise these questions, why do00:49:26
n’t we raise the issues of refugees, why is it00:49:28
only Aliyev in the international arena who00:49:30
talks about refugees,00:49:32
we are the people who have given the world more00:49:35
refugees than anyone else -or00:49:37
maybe the Jews are equal to us00:49:39
in this number,00:49:42
but why don’t we put Why we have00:49:44
forgotten how to fight for the interests of our00:49:48
people because at the head of a traitor, you00:49:52
yourself just started talking about this00:49:54
today’s broadcast, they say that our00:49:56
state is headed by00:49:58
direct governors of the Kremlin way,00:50:00
I said this directly, but I am so00:50:06
that you and I.00:50:08
Now, if we just say what you00:50:10
just said and repeated, then we will relieve00:50:13
everyone of responsibility.00:50:15
I do not relieve responsibility when I00:50:18
say this, I say what is first. As a doctor,00:50:20
we are in fact like doctors make it Stalin's00:50:23
second diagnosis, we give a00:50:27
treatment program, so to speak. We say that this00:50:30
is a fact, no one argues with this, the question is00:50:34
how we will fight this and treat00:50:36
it. That is, I do not, I do not relieve00:50:37
the responsibility of our fellow citizens from our00:50:40
compatriots, I say this that this is00:50:41
no longer in dispute, we observed this on00:50:44
Sunday when we were arrested by our00:50:46
supporters who were holding a peaceful00:50:47
rally. Let this show the whole00:50:50
world that in Armenia, in fact, there is nothing in00:50:55
common with democracy Nikolai Pushnya is the00:50:57
same autocrat as Serzh Sargsyan was,00:51:00
as Robert was Kocharyan or Wonder00:51:01
Peterson There00:51:03
is nothing different between them, they are all00:51:06
four leaders of these Republics of00:51:09
Armenia, they have one thing in common, that is,00:51:13
their common denominator in this will not be disputed00:51:15
the question of what we will do to fix all this00:51:18
because leave you00:51:23
are talking about negotiations while the00:51:24
current government is in power Armenia,00:51:26
these negotiations with Turkey With fascist00:51:30
Turkey will continue with00:51:31
Azerbaijan and therefore people Putin00:51:35
Vladimir Vladimirovich, as00:51:37
Nikol Pashinyan likes to call him, will press to00:51:41
the last and squeeze all the last juice00:51:42
out of our state from our nation00:51:44
while we allow Nikol Pashinyan00:51:46
to remain in power00:51:48
when we allow00:51:52
when we are inactive, we become00:51:55
accomplices in all this disgrace with00:51:58
us, that is, we Armenians must finally00:52:01
take responsibility for our destiny into00:52:04
our own hands, but it’s time and00:52:07
every person does not care what he00:52:10
does, he is a taxi driver, he is a scientist, a doctor, a00:52:15
journalist, a public figure, Every00:52:18
person should understand that he00:52:22
himself is a warrior in this field and00:52:25
his inaction will always play into the00:52:28
hands of our enemies;00:52:31
we have a lot of questions, let’s be00:52:34
on air for almost an hour. Let’s00:52:36
if it’s short. You don’t have time. A couple of00:52:39
questions from subscribers, I’ll finish my00:52:40
question ok, let's let Lusina ask00:52:44
your question please, we00:52:45
open the microphone for you only Click on the00:52:48
blue button to turn it on and ask a00:52:50
question Good evening everyone, we are listening to you00:52:57
Good evening00:53:00
please if you are watching us on00:53:02
YouTube Turn off the sound on YouTube00:53:03
ask questions via telegram00:53:09
Unfortunately Cloudy question did00:53:11
n’t get to ask Let me ask my00:53:15
question and then we’ll get back to the subscribers,00:53:16
okay, so on December 24 last year,00:53:20
you took part in a round table via video link,00:53:22
which, if I’m not mistaken,00:53:24
took place in Artsakh. During this00:53:26
round table, you made rather00:53:28
contradictory proposals so that the00:53:30
so-called government and Parliament00:53:32
of Artsakh Contact the three countries with the00:53:35
chairmen of the OSCE low group so that00:53:37
they bring international peacekeepers to the region00:53:38
and in connection with this I00:53:42
have a question: How do you00:53:45
imagine this, because the first00:53:46
Russian Federation itself does not00:53:50
see itself in this format she00:53:52
has been distancing herself from the Minsk Group since the00:53:55
fall of 2020, I think it’s hard00:53:59
to argue with that. And she is trying independently,00:54:02
separately from France, to the United States.00:54:05
To impose a settlement of the00:54:08
Artsakh issue that is beneficial to her as an integral part of the00:54:11
big Armenian issue, and the second00:54:15
contradiction in this regard is that the00:54:17
parliament will appeal to the peoples. there you00:54:19
propose, look, look to Russia,00:54:22
France, the United States, within the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group,00:54:24
so that they lead peacekeepers, but00:54:28
Russia itself, that is, in the words of the same Lavrov,00:54:30
Russian Foreign Minister, she00:54:32
refuses,00:54:40
we have such a principle, the Minsk Group00:54:44
is the Minsk Group, the body of negotiations00:54:48
met with sortar Armenian00:54:51
politicians and with other Armenian00:54:53
politicians in mainland Armenia, we00:54:57
must support the very principle that the00:55:01
OSCE Minsk Group has a mandate Tula,00:55:04
accordingly, the00:55:06
Armenian people, represented by their legally00:55:09
elected representatives,00:55:11
immediately appeal to the three00:55:14
co-chairs of the Minsk Group00:55:16
and let00:55:18
Russia itself then deal with the00:55:21
Americans and the French if it wants them00:55:23
there She doesn’t want to see them there,00:55:25
that’s her right, she won’t want to. Well, let00:55:27
her not see them, but that doesn’t negate our right00:55:31
to demand the entry of American and00:55:34
French peacekeepers, we have the right, we00:55:36
have the right, we write letters to all three and let00:55:40
each of them prove themselves, let the00:55:42
Americans prove themselves, the French show themselves00:55:45
But don’t we thereby recognize that the00:55:47
Russian so-called peacekeepers,00:55:49
who in fact are not in name00:55:51
since they do not have this mandate, do00:55:53
we not recognize them from real angles that they00:55:57
supposedly have, they do not have this mandate00:55:58
Russia itself led its troops based on the fact of00:56:02
agreement, it is00:56:08
no longer important here, we recognize them, we do not00:56:11
recognize them, we consider them military personnel,00:56:14
we consider them peacekeepers, I read to00:56:16
military personnel, in fact it goes like this. But if we00:56:19
then say this according to According to the same00:56:22
international law, if there is no mandate from the00:56:24
same Security Council, it means occupation in00:56:26
fact of the region in a given In this case,00:56:29
the result is that the desired result00:56:34
is that the French and Americans00:56:37
put appropriate pressure00:56:40
on those forces that today hold the00:56:43
Armenian people captive,00:56:45
not only in their fathers, so that00:56:51
through the introduction of00:56:53
peacekeepers from France, the United00:56:55
States guarantees the safety of the00:56:58
indigenous Armenian population of Artsakh,00:57:02
in this ours goal and if the letter from the00:57:06
Artsakh parliament helps the body, I will00:57:10
only welcome it if00:57:12
the fathers can personally00:57:17
sign a collective letter as citizens and collect00:57:20
many signatures, that will be great, I will00:57:23
again welcome these decisions00:57:25
Let’s not go into these accents,00:57:28
the occupier is not the occupier now it doesn’t matter00:57:29
Now specifically people are under00:57:33
blockade, food and medicine are being reduced every day,00:57:36
we must00:57:38
first of all think about how to00:57:40
provide them with security,00:57:42
which the Armenian ruling class is00:57:44
not ready and does not want to provide. Here is the00:57:47
money they00:57:49
received, you are avoiding in every possible way to00:57:53
characterize Russia’s actions, the conclusion is00:57:56
that I am avoiding Well, look at the00:58:00
second one regarding your proposal00:58:02
to this round table, in the current00:58:06
realities, if we look globally at00:58:08
the processes, the00:58:09
civilized West00:58:12
is opposing Russia in Ukraine, that is,00:58:15
Russia is at war with Ukraine. The West is trying00:58:18
in every possible way to help Ukraine in these conditions,00:58:20
suggesting that they France USA and00:58:23
Russia interact in in our region,00:58:27
from my point of view, this is fantastic.00:58:32
Why did it unrealistically00:58:42
come up? remember about nuclear weapons,00:58:45
remember there was history, but if it00:58:47
concerns a nuclear war, I think they00:58:49
are negotiating under any cover under00:58:52
any cover. The Americans and Russians00:58:55
are negotiating around what around00:58:57
Ukraine and not only around Ukraine and not00:59:01
only around Ukraine00:59:03
there are other issues, Iranian issues are00:59:05
also being discussed and the Armenian issue is also00:59:08
being discussed with the Russians, all this00:59:11
is being discussed, there is no need to make some kind of icon out of the West,00:59:13
that the West is such a neat guy, it wo00:59:17
n’t talk to the Russians, but00:59:18
the West will talk more to the Russians00:59:20
than anyone else in fact, we see how00:59:22
many Russian officials00:59:24
cannot get to many00:59:27
international conferences, including the negotiations00:59:30
that you are talking about there between the00:59:32
dust, in my opinion in Turkey, there are just00:59:34
negotiations around the possibility of a nuclear00:59:37
war, which is exactly what Russia should be00:59:38
warned about, no matter what in any case, the00:59:40
Russian Federation did not agree to this, it was00:59:42
not so, it was not so, it all depends on00:59:46
how correctly we interpreted it,00:59:50
on the contrary,00:59:51
the topic of nuclear weapons00:59:55
was emphasized both in the Russian00:59:58
information field and in the00:59:59
Anglo-American information field, it was01:00:01
deliberately emphasized in order01:00:04
to frighten even more Europe01:00:07
was the essence Let us have01:00:10
a member of the council of the national01:00:12
democratic pole, Mr.01:00:14
Vay-Gasparyan, in touch with us, that is, the first by01:00:17
telegram, we will, of course, give him01:00:20
the opportunity to ask a question, Mr.01:00:21
Gasparyan. Good evening, we are listening to you,01:00:25
please click on the01:00:27
blue button to ask a question.01:00:34
Good evening. Good evening01:00:45
Yes, please turn it up louder if you have turned on01:00:48
YouTube Turn off the sound and there01:00:55
I turned it off01:01:01
Good evening We01:01:05
need written comments,01:01:12
we talked to you at the beginning of the summer of 2101:01:16
please, just a second we01:01:19
will ask our technical assistants01:01:21
to make the sound louder please if01:01:22
possible01:01:42
we had to urgently01:01:53
after that01:02:00
and they said that she was asked to make this01:02:04
statement01:02:05
just recently01:02:08
was present today, walking01:02:11
quite randomly, walking01:02:25
and01:02:27
felt it myself01:02:50
Thank you Mr. Gasparyan Mr.01:02:53
employee if, in my opinion, the first part was01:02:55
a little It was quite good to hear, I will repeat01:02:56
the question regarding01:02:59
Carnegie Vargyan, whom you yourself know very well01:03:01
during your betrayal01:03:05
and regarding If I’m not mistaken, it01:03:08
was just on the last day before the elections in the01:03:11
Army Republic in the twenty-first year01:03:12
when Karina Gaverkyan in one of the01:03:15
Telegrams in one of the low-grade01:03:17
Telegram channels of01:03:18
Armenian Russian speakers made a01:03:21
rather loud statement01:03:23
regarding the fact that the PVR party is the pole She01:03:28
called which in fact01:03:30
We are great that it’s about the pole01:03:33
that we intend to capture the 102nd01:03:37
military base as well as the Russian01:03:39
embassy this is this with my own ears I01:03:42
heard it in one of the low-grade Telegram01:03:45
Armenian channels Mr.01:03:47
Gasparyan’s question was that you if I01:03:51
heard well they called and started justifying01:03:57
I don’t know I don’t01:04:06
know so sir there01:04:12
was nothing like that I think that01:04:15
sir sir should check his01:04:17
sources where it’s me the truth the question01:04:19
will show the video will show the text it will show01:04:21
maybe it was just an audio conversation with whom01:04:24
Lord sir I have with him I don’t know01:04:28
it was01:04:31
such a question. It turns out that so is the01:04:34
second part of the question, gentlemen.01:04:38
That Karina Gevorkyan came supposedly01:04:41
walking near Freedom Square and01:04:44
threw mud, then01:04:49
I showed respect. I called you to ask01:04:52
my questions. Do you01:04:55
think that the sarkist moved from01:04:57
Moscow to Yerevan in order to come01:05:00
later to discuss with you I’m asking you my01:05:03
question Mr. Gasparyan expressed a desire to01:05:05
ask a question personally He asked a normal01:05:08
question what should I comment on01:05:13
it’s normal in general01:05:16
it’s generally normal01:05:19
Guys this is not serious If you01:05:23
consider yourself a political party a01:05:24
political force that the indigenous people Are afraid01:05:28
Why did it bother you so much Well me there is01:05:31
nothing to be afraid of her personally, either, accuse her of lying01:05:34
if it’s not true that we01:05:36
made our statement from me on our own. I’m not. And what does it have to do with me?01:05:39
I01:05:42
came to you on the air because I’m01:05:47
not hiding my positions from anyone anywhere, since01:05:49
I’m not the master myself. I am a witness to01:05:53
all this, wait01:05:55
If he wants to clarify something, we will ask01:05:58
the director to turn up the volume for us here in the studio,01:06:00
he will continue his01:06:02
question because I cannot01:06:05
say it instead of him and then we will continue. A01:06:06
normal question01:06:09
in this situation, you are asking me about Karina01:06:11
Gevorgyan we have more01:06:13
problems, we ask the technical assistants01:06:16
to increase the volume here in the studio,01:06:19
please, so that we can hear Mr.01:06:21
Gasparyan and move on to the next question,01:06:35
now let’s connect Mr. Gasparyan and I01:06:38
hope we’ll close the topic with this.01:06:44
I thought the manager would ask about the base later,01:06:55
now I ask, dear viewers, there’s a slight01:06:59
delay. for some01:07:02
reason, the sound was very low. I want to01:07:04
speak instead of Mr. Gasparyan.01:07:07
Can I speak now? Yes, Lord, I can01:07:10
hear you perfectly now, if there are any01:07:12
misunderstandings, please,01:07:14
if the question is not gossip. And the question01:07:23
on the eve of the elections in 21, I remember very well01:07:27
that Mr.01:07:41
we heard you,01:07:58
this is a matter of principle for me01:08:10
[music]01:08:21
question please01:08:27
[music]01:08:31
this is a fundamental question for me01:08:40
I want to say only one thing that I was01:08:44
surprised by the fact that01:08:50
[music]01:09:01
he will tell01:09:04
If you hear I don’t know if there is01:09:09
a desire we can arrange a debate if we01:09:12
discuss something about it already Okay Mr.01:09:15
Saturn I’ll continue here Let’s01:09:18
Mr. ether Mr. Gasparyan were there01:09:21
if Mr. Lord says that01:09:25
I said something, justified someone there01:09:28
and so on, justified some fakes,01:09:31
he must present evidence01:09:34
if he does not present this evidence01:09:36
he I must publicly apologize because01:09:39
this is the dissemination of false information,01:09:42
proof of what kind of character I01:09:44
want, what I want,01:09:47
what is the problem if Sarkis01:09:50
said something somewhere in public? Give me a link that01:09:53
I said this,01:09:55
give me an audio recording,01:09:58
otherwise I’ll sit now and01:10:01
discuss with you01:10:02
what the woman said. that he didn’t tell her Call her and01:10:05
let her answer your questions01:10:07
what’s the problem and what does it have to do with me that01:10:09
press secretary Karine Gevorkyan01:10:12
continue or Let’s continue like this01:10:18
I had a question for you regarding01:10:20
our action in general the behavior of the01:10:24
Armenian authorities in this regard01:10:29
on certain so now, yes, for01:10:34
certain reasons, some so-01:10:35
called01:10:36
political forces and the media are trying to01:10:38
present Armenia in the eyes of the01:10:40
international community as a01:10:42
democratic country. However, the detentions01:10:45
that were exactly the same as that which the01:10:47
Armenian police went through, by the way, using01:10:50
brute force, that is, was01:10:52
recorded and indicated in relation to to the01:10:55
participants of the peaceful march who are at the second01:10:57
military base in Gyumri and show directly01:11:01
back that the events of 1801:11:03
cannot be qualified as a revolution at all and01:11:05
that the state system of Armenia01:11:07
continues to remain autocratic due to01:11:10
which the01:11:12
democratization of the Republic of Armenia in01:11:14
fact awaits us.01:11:15
Do you agree with me or not01:11:18
I would be in your place, but I’m not in your01:11:21
place, but still I would advise these01:11:25
police officers who used brute01:11:27
force As you say, because you were a01:11:30
participant in this, I saw something with my01:11:32
own eyes. You saw it with your own eyes, I01:11:35
would tell them to01:11:36
sit down01:11:39
go by car to the blocked Stepan highway,01:11:43
go straight there01:11:46
and show the01:11:48
Baku gangs of lies Eco and the activist01:11:52
that they are real men and01:11:57
I would disperse if I were this policeman or these01:12:01
policemen01:12:03
if they are a man should not01:12:04
disperse then those who blocked01:12:07
the highway are wringing their Hands its citizens01:12:10
don’t need a lot of strength and intelligence for this.01:12:13
Of course,01:12:16
as a citizen,01:12:19
as a person, as an Armenian. First of all,01:12:21
I condemn.01:12:24
I never believed that Armenia is a01:12:27
democratic state because01:12:29
in Armenia the economy,01:12:32
politics and other spheres are monopolized.01:12:35
When in your country there is01:12:37
no monopoly Democracy is out of the question.01:12:42
What kind of democracy can there be?01:12:45
This01:12:46
deblakodertsah would have started even sooner with the01:12:50
Azerbaijanis, all the Russians,01:12:53
because the first obstacles on this road, the01:12:57
bitter people of the Nakert type, are01:13:00
precisely the Russian ones. and it does01:13:12
n’t take a lot of intelligence and a lot of strength to wrest people with banners, and01:13:16
it’s also definitely wrong.01:13:18
Our people, according to the Constitution, have the01:13:22
right to a peaceful march01:13:25
and we have not yet turned into North01:13:27
Korea.01:13:29
Although it is not ruled out that someday01:13:30
we will turn if we, again, do not01:13:33
reconsider our priorities according to which01:13:35
we live,01:13:37
it turns out that now after all01:13:40
this, in the eyes of the same Western01:13:43
community, Nikol Pashinyan does not look like that01:13:46
and is particularly democratic.01:13:48
The West has no illusions about01:13:51
Pashinyan. They know his01:13:53
essence very well Regardless of who you communicate with in the West.01:13:55
If you communicate with01:13:58
professionals who know the army, in01:14:00
reality, no one and Western01:14:03
politicians are from what countries will01:14:05
tell you in life that Pashinyan is about01:14:07
Western politics,01:14:09
he is never about Western politics,01:14:12
and in Armenia the01:14:15
collapse of the Soviet Union about Western01:14:17
politicians did not happen. The great tragedy of the01:14:20
Armenian people is that in01:14:23
Armenia, it still hasn’t worked out01:14:26
about the Armenian01:14:29
government and about the Armenian ruling class, we are01:14:32
repeating the problem that was01:14:36
once01:14:37
solved for me by the deadline for which01:14:40
the times of scaling were very01:14:42
difficult But at the same time, the glorious01:14:44
times of01:14:46
the mind, it seemed like there was a dilemma either to leave01:14:50
everything as is and, accordingly, put01:14:52
Armenia under the yoke of the Byzantines or Iranians,01:14:57
or come up with an alphabet so that the Armenian01:15:02
ruling class thinks and writes, for example, not01:15:05
in Greek,01:15:07
describes in their native language that01:15:10
the people speak and now in the 21st century We are01:15:14
faced with the same dilemma We01:15:17
seem to sometimes We speak01:15:18
Armenian to each other, but we don’t do Armenian01:15:21
things, or rather, we do them01:15:23
much less than is necessary01:15:25
for our salvation.01:15:28
Let’s also listen to our01:15:31
subscribers if you don’t mind Ashot, the fog has been01:15:33
pulling his hand for a long time now Ashot,01:15:35
please have the floor Click on the blue01:15:38
button to ask a question01:15:42
Thank you very much Yes please01:15:45
Thank you very much for giving the floor01:15:48
I have a remark and two questions01:15:53
Turian was very interested in listening to01:15:56
about Iran I really don’t understand why we01:16:00
should compare today’s Iran and01:16:03
medieval Persia there These are completely01:16:06
two different states, two different two01:16:08
different ideologies and mulacracy and a01:16:11
medieval version 2 completely different01:16:14
planets you can say yes In addition01:16:18
[music] a01:16:19
replica of such a plan that of course Iran does not01:16:23
support the Kurds of Syria you said that01:16:26
they support in fact this is not the01:16:27
case and the Sheikh Maksut quarter of Aleppo He01:16:31
really stayed with the Kurds But this01:16:34
was liberated Aleppo was liberated01:16:37
in addition to the Sheikmah quarter, the court of the Syrian01:16:39
Arab army and the Kurds who do not01:16:42
support the Kurds in part Support with the01:16:45
Americans and the units there are01:16:47
independent units operating01:16:49
this is just a remark I have two questions The01:16:53
first question concerns01:16:55
that same Boer Wilson who is01:16:58
already very often01:17:00
voiced by01:17:02
our colleagues and they say that there is01:17:05
such an opportunity01:17:06
to present certain claims to modern01:17:09
Turkey, but if we read the Declaration01:17:12
of Independence of Armenia and this document01:17:15
was signed on August 23, 90 in01:17:19
Yerevan, it was signed by the writer of the Supreme01:17:21
Council of Armenia Leonardo Petrosyan,01:17:24
right in the preamble of the Declaration of Independence,01:17:27
that is, the document on the basis of which01:17:29
Armenia self-determined01:17:32
The borders of the Republic of Armenia are directly indicated there; these01:17:35
borders are very clearly delineated; these are the borders of the01:17:37
Armenian SSR and the Mountainous Karabakh01:17:39
Autonomous Region of the former01:17:40
Azerbaijani USSR. That is, if we01:17:44
say Yes and why, and recognized Armenia as the01:17:47
first of all states, one of the01:17:49
first because Armenia thereby01:17:52
signed the declaration about independence01:17:55
having declared independence I have now01:18:00
defined my borders. Can01:18:03
we today revise the borders01:18:04
that we defined in 90? This is my01:18:08
first question and my second question01:18:10
concerns01:18:12
the thesis: And the need to bring01:18:14
international peacekeepers into the territory of01:18:17
Artsakh in the Artsakh settlement zone we are01:18:21
talking about that we need to urgently ask,01:18:22
they will urgently come running, but we know that this is01:18:25
impossible to do, and the moderator01:18:27
said about this that there are problems, for some reason you01:18:30
think that this is very easy01:18:31
to do, just ask. They will immediately01:18:33
appear, but we do not have a single fact01:18:36
when international peacekeeping forces01:18:39
even under the auspices of NATO that entered01:18:42
Yugoslavia, they entered only in one01:18:43
case, it was a humanitarian intervention, and01:18:46
they entered in the case when01:18:48
the genocide that they were talking about had already happened,01:18:53
that is, the genocide had happened and they01:18:55
invaded the territory of the01:18:58
former Yugoslavia. So how do you01:19:02
plan to drag international01:19:05
peacekeeping forces to the01:19:07
settlement zone, it’s not clear what01:19:09
document can all this be regulated,01:19:12
how can we01:19:14
organize this except to01:19:17
live up to thank you thank you01:19:21
for defining the border if we01:19:24
had direct declarations, declarations01:19:26
recorded that Artsakh and Armenia01:19:29
should reunite and the second How is it01:19:40
not in itself reflects the interests of the01:19:42
Armenian people01:19:44
because, as the person01:19:46
who asked the question himself said, nothing is01:19:49
said to me about the Western Armenian lands, we01:19:52
cannot engage in a settlement with you.01:19:54
If I’m not mistaken, we01:19:56
are mentioning the Armenian genocide Well, well, what01:20:00
about the land they say rights01:20:02
as one from part of this question,01:20:05
I proceed from the fact that01:20:10
in this declaration and in the subsequent01:20:12
documents that were adopted by the workshop there01:20:15
were not so many,01:20:19
there was a completely big mistake01:20:22
because the Armenians tried, I don’t know,01:20:26
consciously or unconsciously, they tried to01:20:29
isolate exclusively the01:20:31
Artsakh issue into a direction separate from the01:20:35
Armenian issue which,01:20:37
by the way, is impossible What are we talking about? I01:20:42
talked about this for a long time and now I repeat it and what01:20:44
single question in the Turk’s brain01:20:48
are there no01:20:50
Turks, unlike the Armenians, and this is his01:20:52
advantage, he thinks systematically, the Turk01:20:56
understands that if the Armenians return Artsakh to the01:21:00
fold of01:21:01
greater Armenia, to begin with the bosom of01:21:04
Eastern Armenia, then the next stage01:21:07
will be on the hijava, there will be a Gonzak, there will be01:21:11
a border along the Kura, confirmed, among other01:21:15
things, by the Azerbaijani historian01:21:16
Batikhanov, and so on, therefore, if01:21:20
someone01:21:22
praises this declaration signed by01:21:25
Petrosyan, then I do not consider it necessary to01:21:29
praise it because it does not reflect the01:21:32
vital interests of the Armenian people01:21:35
This is the answer to the first question of the second.01:21:38
Please remind me about the mechanism for01:21:41
introducing international peacekeepers.01:21:43
How, let’s say, these reports01:21:45
should be entered?01:21:49
He is interested and talks about the basis of what01:21:52
document we will introduce them there. Good01:21:55
question, but I have a question about what document the01:21:59
Russian military personnel ended up in the01:22:02
caskets, you can answer01:22:05
no That’s exactly what a joint01:22:09
statement is like the jurisprudence of01:22:12
our viewers, this is toilet paper,01:22:21
a certain set of intentions01:22:24
that does not carry any legal burden,01:22:27
and at the same time, on the basis of this01:22:30
paper, today they are trying to unilaterally,01:22:36
within the framework of the01:22:38
Russian-Turkish tandem, resolve the01:22:39
Artsakh issue and this has nothing to do with it papers01:22:43
and here papers there is international01:22:45
law there is the right of the Armenians of Artsakh01:22:50
guaranteed by the UN Charter to01:22:52
independently determine their fate01:22:54
there is this right there is when Wilson01:22:57
was dealing with the issue01:23:00
of delimitation01:23:03
They did not have time to completely01:23:04
delimit the border because the01:23:07
Red Army together with the Turkish01:23:10
army invaded and occupied the Republic of01:23:12
Armenia the fact is exactly that but01:23:16
Wilson defines the western borders within the01:23:19
framework of arbitration because within the framework of01:23:22
arbitration it was the western01:23:24
borders that were decided and the eastern and eastern ones01:23:26
had to be decided on the same01:23:28
principle as the Western one, the process01:23:30
was simply not completed since Turkey and Russia01:23:32
and the Soviet Russia, we understand01:23:34
that the Russian the empire with the hands of Azerbaijani01:23:37
through Azerbaijan entered this01:23:41
is01:23:43
not Well, I myself do not agree01:23:51
what principle was laid down,01:23:56
this is the principle01:23:59
on the basis of this principle the01:24:01
borders of the01:24:03
first Armenian republic were drawn and01:24:05
accordingly the same principle01:24:07
today, already in the 21st century, it should be01:24:11
implemented01:24:12
when determining the01:24:14
Armenian borders but here we01:24:17
are faced with the fact that as a result of01:24:19
genocide committed by the Baku regime of01:24:23
the Union with Gorbachev, the01:24:27
Armenian population was squeezed out01:24:31
of a number of territories of01:24:34
Eastern Armenia. I mean the01:24:37
Shahumyan region. I mean until the last01:24:40
changes that occurred after01:24:44
the occupation of a number of regions of Artsakh in the South, in01:24:49
the North, and so on. around, including01:24:54
berdzer, that is, as a result of genocide, they are01:24:57
now trying to impose another01:24:59
map on us, but this map does not reflect the01:25:05
historical01:25:07
Armenian Lands that for centuries01:25:11
were part of Armenia as part of Mother01:25:14
Hayk, and if we now deal with the01:25:18
issue of01:25:20
demarcation delimitation, then we must01:25:23
clearly define with you on what basis are01:25:25
we doing this and the international community01:25:27
should now clearly speak out,01:25:29
look at how long even between01:25:31
Russia and Japan there is no delimitation of01:25:34
demarcation in the survey smoked correctly They01:25:36
don’t even have peace between them in fact, if01:25:40
you and I take international01:25:41
statistics,01:25:43
then a peace treaty between the countries01:25:46
was concluded only in 13 percent of01:25:49
cases01:25:51
it is not necessary to sign a peace01:25:53
treaty in order to01:25:56
legalize01:25:57
territorial seizures in this way. I am against this. We are against this.01:26:02
If we sign a peace treaty01:26:04
now with Azerbaijan, then we are calling into01:26:08
question the fate of Artsakh and we are legalizing the01:26:11
territorial seizures of the Baku01:26:13
regime on the right bank of the Kura.01:26:16
first regarding the right to01:26:19
self-determination I personally and in general the pole01:26:21
considers this a01:26:23
false path because self-determination,01:26:27
firstly, we proceed from the fact that Armenia01:26:29
should be the legal successor to the first01:26:31
republic. Correctly, this does not01:26:33
contradict the principle of self-determination01:26:34
if we self-determinate as was01:26:37
done in the 90s years We are determined within the01:26:40
framework of NGOs based on the fact of what has01:26:42
been negotiated for 30 years in an erroneous way,01:26:45
if we proceed from the principle of01:26:48
self-determination, we refuse the01:26:49
other seven districts in fact,01:26:55
you get so that01:27:02
later, let’s say Ruben Varta is not01:27:05
abandoned by the Kremlin rules,01:27:07
I don’t contradict you and you don’t01:27:10
contradict me, you you just don’t want to01:27:12
hear me I’m just saying that01:27:16
all international law is based on this01:27:19
principle that there is a nation, this nation01:27:22
has the right to live on its land and it01:27:24
must be guaranteed if this01:27:27
nation, specifically our people, were driven away as a01:27:29
result of the genocide of their ancestral01:27:31
lands then accordingly, this is an01:27:35
illegal territorial seizure, this01:27:37
is genocide, this is a war crime, and the01:27:40
West must have its say here, yes,01:27:43
the West must first, you must do01:27:45
what depends on you, firstly,01:27:47
recognize the state level of01:27:50
the Republic, secondly, Artsakh01:27:54
is not some kind of independent entity,01:27:56
its region according to in fact, the principle01:28:00
of determination that many people say,01:28:02
if I just maybe I misunderstood you,01:28:04
but the principle of self-determination it01:28:06
contradicts the succession of the first01:28:08
republic, let's start with the fact that there01:28:13
are no Soviet international recognized borders internally, these are01:28:15
administrative borders, which is what we often01:28:17
talk about, I don’t start from them, I when I’m talking01:28:20
about self-determination. I’m just talking about the01:28:21
first Armenian republic01:28:23
for me when they tell me that Well, the01:28:26
Almaty Declaration01:28:31
recognized these borders. Well, such a fake01:28:34
is being spread, including by the Armenian01:28:37
government, the so-called01:28:39
delusion of the Armenian people of Almaty,01:28:42
how can a declaration in Almaty ate01:28:44
to define these borders as it’s fake01:28:48
it’s impossible I don’t understand why For01:28:51
example,01:28:52
the leadership of the Russian Federation01:28:54
relies on the Almaty declaration01:28:58
within the framework of the Almaty declaration01:29:01
what then to do with Crimea what then to01:29:04
do with other regions what then to01:29:07
do with them that is, when Lavrov01:29:09
appeals to this Armenians We must01:29:12
remind the Lavra that these documents do not01:29:16
carry any burden, and when they01:29:18
tell us Armenians to our faces that the01:29:20
General Staff of the Russian Army has01:29:23
maps, they will carry out delimitation and01:29:27
demarcation. This is an insult01:29:31
to our people. This is an insult01:29:34
because we have a history, we have01:29:38
ethnographic borders,01:29:40
the Great Armenia was not just a01:29:42
state, it was a state. Like any01:29:46
phenomenon, like any subject, it had its own01:29:48
specific boundaries,01:29:51
so we must proceed from this if01:29:53
they impose on us and say that they01:29:56
are trying to us, then let the Armenians accept01:29:58
the borders, let’s assume there were 91 years old, according to the01:30:02
Soviet Constitution, something else01:30:05
and why exactly 91, why not01:30:09
1921? Or for example, I have there before01:30:12
the occupation of 1920, if we look, for01:30:16
example, at the map of the first Armenian01:30:18
Republic, then the end was included in it, it01:30:21
should be included there, this is my point. This is01:30:24
my conviction,01:30:26
we can communicate for a long time, but it’s already our01:30:29
time it has come to an end, it’s just01:30:32
two words in the finale, please, when people01:30:35
ask me questions, is it possible, is it01:30:37
possible, are these all myths, nothing01:30:41
like this happened before, so today it wo01:30:43
n’t happen again, I want to tell you that in01:30:46
politics, absolutely everything is possible, when we01:30:50
talk about the laws of physics, then there is01:30:53
a clear thing there:01:30:54
if we take, for example, a pen01:30:57
and drop it, then with a hundred percent01:31:00
probability it will fall to the ground; this is physics01:31:02
in physics, there are clear deterministic01:31:05
laws; politics is an interdisciplinary phenomenon;01:31:10
therefore, to say that something in01:31:13
politics is impossible is nonsense; in the01:31:16
modern world, everything changes and 23 the year01:31:20
will show us all that the world will change01:31:23
dramatically in the period of one year you01:31:26
will see01:31:27
a lot of things will change that you did01:31:30
n’t even suspect, so you don’t have to01:31:33
limit your consciousness to the fact01:31:35
that something in politics is impossible,01:31:38
everything is possible, I completely agree with you,01:31:41
everything is possible. that is, in order for01:31:46
all this to be possible, I propose to our01:31:49
viewers who are now live on air for01:31:51
more than 1,700 people who watch us only on01:31:54
YouTube, I don’t know about other pages. I01:31:56
appeal to all viewers so that since the01:31:59
gentleman himself also says that01:32:02
everything is possible in politics so that everything will be perhaps01:32:04
we need to act And I propose to01:32:07
act as early as tomorrow,01:32:09
we will continue to do this if01:32:12
someone for some reason does not act with us01:32:14
I propose to meet tomorrow at one o'clock in the01:32:17
afternoon on Freedom Square and walk to the01:32:20
procession to the Embassy of the Russian Federation01:32:22
Say your ardent greetings to Vladimir01:32:25
Vladimirovich Putin Understood the thing is that in a01:32:27
figurative sense, we say hello, and by doing so01:32:29
we will show the whole world that01:32:33
we are not abandoning our compatriots in Artsakh,01:32:35
we will do everything in our power.01:32:38
And in politics, it’s possible that he01:32:40
himself says it all and it’s hard to disagree with him,01:32:44
we will do everything we can it is possible01:32:46
and in our power to open the road01:32:50
to open it, to unblock it from the connection01:32:54
that Russia blocked the Azerbaijanis01:32:58
together with Turkey so that this Blockade01:33:01
comes to its end and we begin01:33:03
the prosperity of the Armenian nation01:33:07
Renaissance I was with you I am the host of the01:33:11
Pole podcast and the editor-in-chief of the01:33:14
news agency realist01:33:16
Sarkistaturyan Thank you for today's01:33:20
conversation01:33:21
We hope that the year 23 will bring01:33:24
prosperity to the Armenian nation and its01:33:26
Revival, both spiritual and01:33:28
physical Until we meet again, goodbye,01:33:33
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