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Good evening This is Yulia Latynina and

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Latynina TV and today our guest is

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Professor Valery Dmitrievich Nightingale

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Valery Dmitrievich Hello

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Good evening Yulia good evening Dear

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viewers and listeners, I am

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glad to see you in good health, which in

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our difficult times is not By the way, I was

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just told that you were born in the

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Lugansk region Yes, I was born there in a

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small town, it’s actually part of

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Lugansk, which is called happiness

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because of which, since February 24, there

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were fierce battles there for several days

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We

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treacherously didn’t put a link to Professor Nightingale’s channel, but I

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think Dasha or the cat’s tie

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will fix this now and the link will be fixed

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immediately in the comment. And by the way,

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well, almost in Lugansk, I was going to start

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another question, but then I listened to all sorts of

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hints from the Ukrainian side that it looks like

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perhaps the Russian troops are considering a

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withdrawal from Kherson And that this is happening

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because they simply do not

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now receive sufficient supplies

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via the Crimean bridge but it has decreased by

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half. In a week they will just have

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a drop And now I see that the Kherson

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authorities

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are asking for help with as they said

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those who are

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evacuated, according to your information, is this

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true or not? Russia is really

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going to leave Kherson after the explosion of the Crimean bridge,

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or is it still

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premature

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Yulia? This is a premature judgment.

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Since the summer, the Russian general asked the

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Supreme Commander-in-Chief to

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allow him to leave the Kherson

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region of Kherson in order to in order to

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concentrate exclusively in

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the Donbass and to hold on to the Donbass, he

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refused them every time, the last time

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they asked

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even before the story with the Crimean bridge, that is,

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relatively recently. He said that no,

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we will hold on, that soon

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the mobilization mobilized

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contingent will go into battle, which should change

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the fate of the battle, the fate of this a special

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military operation in the Russian Federation

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is called

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from the point of view of the military, it’s all

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pointless, it won’t change anything

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Kherson with a high probability I don’t want to

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talk about inevitability because this is

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the fog of war, but with a high probability it

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will be Lost and they the military are afraid,

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plus also large losses in as a result of a

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boiler or something, or half-paid in

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this spirit, so I would suggest that

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after some time the question of

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leaving Kherson

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will be decided in person, that is,

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without an order from the Supreme; luckily for the

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Supreme Commander-in-Chief, it is

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no accident that now there are commanders of the

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operation and all responsibility and all

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unpopular decisions will now be

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placed on him, Yulia,

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and we will definitely talk to the commander of this operation;

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this will be one of the

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main objects of

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our attention, and in general, of course, I immediately

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say that we will discuss first of

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all the internal Russian political

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situation, for obvious reasons,

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Valery is here Dmitrievich is a specialist But

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now we see that this situation

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depends on two things: on the one hand, from

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the front, on the other hand, from the ideas

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about the front in Putin’s head. Therefore, in order to

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build a bridge specifically to the discussion of the

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internal political situation, I cannot help but

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ask a question about the main event of the

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past few days what

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Putin wanted to achieve with missiles that tried

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to destroy and have not yet destroyed the

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Ukrainian energy infrastructure, the

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first two goals are revenge for the fact that the

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Ukrainians dared to bite on something that is

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very important for Putin personally, this is the

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phrase sacred that has set the teeth on edge. Character and

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for him this bridge it is of no small

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importance from the Continental map and the

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second is that in fact the operation had

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been planned for a long time; it is one of the elements

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designed to change the fate of the

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armed confrontation from the point of view of

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Putin himself; he made the decision; it is

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his idea; it is not the idea of the General Staff; what if a

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sufficient number of strikes are applied to a

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critical infrastructure and apply them

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constantly, then it will be possible to influence the course of

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military operations, change military

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actions in favor of Russia, that is,

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try to return that strategic

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initiative that Russia is now

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giving way to Ukraine step by step.

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Well, the third point, yes, apparently

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try to show the West this is always

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still there one player externally who is

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oriented towards the West, that Russia is

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inflexible, from here she will dictate

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her unyielding will to the entire world

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community, as one film said,

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Yulia, I’m not ready to go far in

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conspiracy theories Although

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I have some passions, I wouldn’t

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press the number of entities I think that

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this is an initiative and an action More precisely, it came

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from the Ukrainians,

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perhaps not at all as it is presented in the

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official Russian version, but the

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discrepancy in this case is not

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fundamental. I think that this was in the

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interests of the Ukrainians, you started with the fact that the

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explosions of the bridge disrupted the supply of the

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Kherson group, that is, the bridge is

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strategic communications for Ukraine It

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would be very important

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to stop this communication altogether to destroy the

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strategic effect not fully

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achieved symbolically achieved by 146%

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and Putin now completely makes

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the decision himself whether he controls his environment

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or no longer

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Putin completely makes the decision himself he

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controls his environment

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at the moment will control for some time,

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this does not mean that his entourage is deprived of

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the opportunity to express their opinion, they

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express, in particular, they expressed

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their opinion regarding the vision of

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military affairs and regarding the use of

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nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear

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weapons, he listens to this, he really

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listens, but he makes the decision himself

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and there is no conspiracy, at least at the

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moment, against him and there

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is no group of influence that would

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take his place, there is definitely no decision

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Yulia, and then two questions, two people, this is

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Prigozhin Kadyrov, whose media

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activity has increased sharply

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recently, especially Prigozhin and

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Prigozhin not is, from your point of

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view, now an independent player,

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this is very interesting, Prigozhin arose as a

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tool of Putin, this is Putin’s idea

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to use PMCs, this was his creation

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now Prigozhin is claiming an

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independent political

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role, and what is very important is that this role

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is supported by his individual army

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Yes, the power resource of

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PMCs now counts dude Wagner on the

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Ukrainian fronts, there are up to 20

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thousand people, this is a fair resource, but

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Prigozhin rather looks to the future post-

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Putin future in the political

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crisis that will engulf Russia And after the

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president leaves or with his sharp

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weakening, which in general will inevitably

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happen and then Prigozhin Can

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get involved in this fight, having an

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independent base of support for him,

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is extremely important. That is also why he,

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like Kadyrov, is extremely disliked by the

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security forces and the military and the security officers. Kadyrov has

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very good relations only with gold,

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and the security officers themselves, the security forces do not like him;

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Prigogine has the same attitude and they

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dislike him. Both of them

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I must say that they both behaved

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Well, if not defiant Well, they boldly

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declared that they have an

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independent position and in what

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Italian between them is probably possible. It is

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also very important that Prigozhin may

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turn out to be a magnet center of attraction

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for turbo-patriots,

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but for the idealized segment

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Russian society they now have a

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positive attitude towards him, they say that he

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is doing everything right And this will increase his

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strength As you understand with Kadyrov, these

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people are unlikely to be able to build an Alliance

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or go to him, but they are quite

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capable of joining Prigozhin, and finally with Yulia, their media

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activity has increased but it lasted

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only a few days, I draw your

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attention as soon as Kadyrov had his

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birthday. He received the rank of

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colonel general. Well, the shoulder straps are from the hands of the

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sovereign emperor, like in Soviet

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films,

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so it looked like the media

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activity stopped, which does not mean

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that it will not resume, but the president is not

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interested the point is that these people are

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too active in the media field because

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otherwise impressions will be created into

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parts and created And by the way, I think these

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materiel are dictated by your question:

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does Putin himself make the decision? This is the decision

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he makes. He himself will not allow anyone to

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dictate his decision.

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I think that there are two goals, as usual,

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the first may be his brutal

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appearance, a brutal past and a

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brutal style of

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warfare will allow him to change the situation on

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the fronts. But the hope for this is weak, honestly,

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and the second reason, which seems to me

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more solid, someone should already be

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responsible for the failure of a special military

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operation Before this operation, the

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Supreme Commander-in-Chief was de facto in charge, not

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before Jura, but de facto. Well, naturally,

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since there was no head of the operation, it

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turns out de jure, but

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the president can’t be responsible for the rights, he can’t,

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so we need a person who will answer,

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let’s choose someone who isn’t it’s a pity And

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by the way, let

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me note that the

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Surikovs do not enjoy the authority of

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the General Staff and the military does not like him

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precisely because of what I called brutality,

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they characterize it otherwise in a

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more impartial way

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Well, Nevzin told us here that

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General Surikin has long commanded either

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the operation or its parts and in fact

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Speaking really, it

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seems that he is now appointed to

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the role of whipping boy so that while

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the operation while the war is successful,

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Putin will be responsible for him. And when even Putin

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realized that everything was bad, he began to answer for her

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in this case, this is the exact logic with

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one exception, Surikin never

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formally he did not command the operation, he was

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involved in part of this operation, but then the

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president took over all operational and tactical leadership, which is very important. That is, he

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literally delved into the entrance of the operation, gave

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instructions, the first column marches, the second

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column marks, but now he

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gets off with strategic instructions to

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stay there until the last soldier We won’t

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give up our Kherson,

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so follow my instructions,

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but

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he doesn’t delve directly into the introduction of hostilities,

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but what example would directly be given in

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Putin’s leadership of hostilities?

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If you know him, you could cite

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because this is a question that, of course,

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concerns everyone,

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I can’t give a specific example

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of this I just wasn’t interested. If I

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had been a military man or had undergone

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more thorough training than just the Military Department,

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I probably would have

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told you something. Well, I know for sure

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that he discussed with the generals and

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officers of the General Staff from certain

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operations the

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famous battle for papasnaya, remember Yes

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when the rescue turned out to be almost the

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turning point of the battle for the sands, he

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participated in all this, as far as I know.

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That is, he gave the order.

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And by the way, the military, on the one hand, was

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incredibly irritated, on the other hand, they

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absolved themselves of responsibility. So he

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ordered it, so we do it, and

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returning to people who suddenly

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began to actively act around Putin.

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We just discussed Prigozhin, but

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Kadyrov’s second man. We bypassed him a little.

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You said that

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Putin granted him the gift of a

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colonel general on his birthday, and everyone probably

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noticed that Kadyrov told me about this new

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rank, I don’t remember on

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his Instagram or in general on his

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social network Well, I just don’t remember

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when a person who received a

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colonel general or a major general or an

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army general reports this himself without

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waiting for an official message, but from

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your point of view, Kadyrov reported

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this himself Yes, and to what extent he

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independently It is clear

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Kadyrov is largely independent

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Well, it is clear that among regional

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leaders He is the most independent of

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all leaders, there is no doubt about that.

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But if his public use there

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causes a federal resonance, this

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still does not mean that he is a Federal

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figure. Why did he say it seems

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tactically very correct to me the move

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shows that he has a special relationship with the

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president, that he receives

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such encouragement from the president, it means that since

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I am a colonel general, I have the right to

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at least speak out on military

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matters, I have the right to criticize you, but

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to say that

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as far as I know, Kadyrov was not on the part of the president

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it was said that there was no moratorium on this

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message, this is a great way

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to troll the military, the president in general

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loves to mock people and the

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military now in particular, and he knows

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what a strong reaction this will cause

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from them, and it caused a very strong

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reaction

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and what a

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negative one they really dislike

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Ramzan Akhmatovich and they are

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extremely disliked by the security officers and this, by the way,

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limits the encroachment of the

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hypothetical Kadyrov as an

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important figure in the post-Putin period

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because they will definitely unite against him.

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Well, perhaps he will have time to

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enter into an alliance with Prigozhin and then

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it will be a very interesting configuration. It’s

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interesting, you know, it sounds like this

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neutral, I think it’s frightening, it’s interesting,

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and the harsh people give us gold, he can

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join the Alliance, as

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Leonid Nevslin also told us here, he said that

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this is possible future members of the junta

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Prigozhin,

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this is already too much, not just

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too bold, this is a completely

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unfounded hypothesis, those people who have

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superior resources resources and Kadyrov

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and resources Prigozhin will never

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allow this And the Severiki will not agree to this either what kind of

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people are they this is the

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military these are the security officers let’s say the

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Patrushev clan will definitely not

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allow this And not only to you Patrushev’s

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security officers they diverge on a number of points

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several groups of influence and not all are

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supporters of Nikolai Platonovich Although in the

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majority yes, of course, but the fact is that

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they are all opponents of Ramzan Akhmatovich,

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there is no doubt about this,

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even all because I imagine

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that among the FSB there are some people

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who have an Alliance with Kadyrov because

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the FSB is not a single organization Yes, I’m

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wrong. You’re right that this is not a single

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organization; there are several groups of influence,

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numbering from five to seven. But as

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for the sympathetic Akhmat Ramzan

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Akhmatovich, there aren’t any,

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maybe he achieved someone’s loyalty But

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this is absolutely certain not group

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loyalty as a corporation as a whole, they are

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his opponents Well, or ill-wishers,

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I’ll put it a little more softly, ill-wishers,

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yes,

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he knows this very well, for him it’s

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not a secret,

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this is Yulia Latynina and Professor Nightingale,

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12 thousand people are watching us now,

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monetization Stas was removed in the first second of

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this broadcast Why did you try this?

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Well, listen, they really have a grudge against them, they have a grudge

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against you, they have a grudge against us, and we also

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often mention different understandable names here.

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recommend that our listeners resist bots and trolls,

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show them the fig and spread links

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to this broadcast and subscribe for this

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effect Because when they

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subscribe to this broadcast They show

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you bot

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subscribe to the channel of Professor

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Nightingale, which I hope we

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put there And in the meantime, actually on the

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issue of snarling bulldogs and

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rocket bulldogs under the carpet, I want you to

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comment on one very

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interesting point that struck me I

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just came, Vladimir Osechkina,

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because you know that a permanent source writes to him,

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who

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introduces himself as a source from the FSB of one

00:19:06

of the FSB groups, and so he wrote in plain text

00:19:09

that the bridge, in his opinion, a source from

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one of the FSB groups, was blown up by people

00:19:16

close to Prigozhin, here we are We see that this

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number of conspiracy theories

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around the bridge is growing and accordingly

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I have two questions: the first is

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Why are these conspiracy theories

00:19:29

being told to us by the Ukrainian authorities and the second is

00:19:33

why they were joined by a source

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who is at least positioned

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as a source from within the FSB.

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Well, this should be considered as such an

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excellent prime media manipulation If

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you want to hide the truth Yes, you

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throw in a lot of irrelevant hypotheses,

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this is called in professional

00:19:52

jargon, dilution And after that, it is

00:19:55

not possible to find the truth, moreover, the

00:19:59

following happens,

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imagine the people who say this is a typical situation

00:20:04

I read different sources immediately

00:20:06

compare different versions of the majority

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of the overwhelming there is no special knowledge

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there in the field of security, not

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technical, to compare these versions,

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so inevitably people turn to the

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version that prevails in the

00:20:22

information space, this is the

00:20:23

official version for Russia, this is the

00:20:25

official version, they inevitably return to it,

00:20:28

although this version may

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have a lot of inconsistencies, a lot of whites spots

00:20:33

a lot of contradictions But from the point of view of

00:20:36

public opinion, no one is

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interested in this, this is the first and the second Now

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it is going on You are right, it is the information

00:20:45

war that begins on the eve of

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this very transit on the eve of the

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conductor and the parties want to prepare to

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prepare for themselves the best positions but,

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accordingly, compromise those who

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are opposes therefore we will hear and

00:21:02

see a lot of the most interesting

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revelations, some of them will be, I have no

00:21:07

doubt for sure, a

00:21:09

significant part will be made up, but

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it seems to me that public opinion will no longer care, in

00:21:19

fact, you mentioned this word

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Transit, which you have been talking about for a long time,

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and

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now the first question is one of The

00:21:30

first ones I asked were about

00:21:32

whether Putin makes decisions himself and you

00:21:35

said that he still makes

00:21:37

decisions himself and, in essence, completely

00:21:39

controls his environment,

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and accordingly the question arises: When will

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this stop happening

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to me this will stop happening in the

00:21:51

coming months, he knows about it and

00:21:53

his entourage knows about this, so it

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is at a low start, so we are

00:21:58

discussing fussing Or, more accurately, squabbling,

00:22:00

bulldogs under the carpet with nuclear

00:22:02

warheads, so they are preparing for this and

00:22:06

trying to rush the situation, trying

00:22:08

to rush the situation, the

00:22:10

president knows about this, he naturally

00:22:12

would like to delay these decisions, which are

00:22:15

unpleasant for him, but which will absolutely

00:22:17

have to be accepted because they are

00:22:19

necessary and is trying to sow discord

00:22:23

between these groups, so he made

00:22:26

some promises to the patrol group. He

00:22:28

made, in particular, a promise that Dmitry

00:22:30

would become his successor. Well, remember the

00:22:32

recent article by the Washington Post, but in

00:22:35

fact this is an authorized leak,

00:22:38

which described what - that Dmitry

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Nikolaevich is a wonderful manager

00:22:42

who speaks four languages And that he was in

00:22:46

no way involved in the

00:22:49

Russian-Ukrainian armed

00:22:50

confrontation and so on, etc.,

00:22:53

here you go, part of this preparation

00:22:55

is the preparation of Western public

00:22:58

opinion for the fact that a New Man will come, in

00:23:00

no way connected

00:23:02

with that key event which has changed a

00:23:06

lot or almost everything in Russia and in

00:23:09

Russia’s relations with the world.

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There are people who don’t like it, who

00:23:16

united against the Patrushev clan, but

00:23:20

most of them united. I said

00:23:24

technocratic pragmatists, or yes, technocratic

00:23:26

and political. But not all of this is very

00:23:29

interesting; there are also those who supports

00:23:32

him and he is the most influential among the

00:23:34

security forces now and Putin is unlikely to be able to

00:23:37

confront him

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and

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who united against the clan around the

00:23:46

Patrushev clan, you say that he is the most

00:23:49

influential among the security forces and Kadyrov and

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Prigozhin

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Kadyrova Prigozhin does not welcome this

00:23:59

decision because they have a relationship like

00:24:03

once he patrolled a tense Well, let’s even say

00:24:06

so with the group he leads

00:24:09

as a whole, here are the security officers and the army men. They have

00:24:12

tense relations, so they

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would prefer someone else as a successor.

00:24:17

Well, it would probably have been preferable for

00:24:19

it to be a civilian

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option that was discussed

00:24:23

last year with Mishustin that Mishustin

00:24:26

could become a successor, he received

00:24:27

the nickname Khrushchev then and there was even a consultation on his account,

00:24:31

in particular. Now

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I’ll say at the beginning of May last year when

00:24:35

Rotenberg sounded the waters, then how would the

00:24:39

West react if

00:24:41

Mishustin became the new president? And then

00:24:43

liberties and Freedom would follow

00:24:45

[music]

00:24:47

can you tell us a little more about these

00:24:50

efforts of Rotenberg?

00:24:52

Yes, this is generally not the same secret,

00:24:56

especially since it has already lost its relevance. It

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was somewhere at the turn of April Maya or at the

00:25:01

beginning of May last year when Rotenberg

00:25:04

was formally on vacation, in fact,

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he met with representatives of a number of

00:25:09

countries, there were definitely British

00:25:12

Americans there. I don’t know. It’s unlikely that this

00:25:15

conference took place. Skyrim met

00:25:17

in turn, so the Americans participated, the

00:25:20

British, the

00:25:23

Turks, and someone else, it seems. The Germans were there and

00:25:27

he told them that there was an

00:25:29

idea to carry out such a smooth transition to

00:25:32

unfreeze relations with the West to grant

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liberties and Freedom

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to carry out a democratic rollback other

00:25:40

other other but the point He didn’t do all this

00:25:43

separately, he did it all with the knowledge of the

00:25:46

President the President really likes

00:25:48

to roll up such balls to look

00:25:50

at the reaction to evaluate it based on this and then

00:25:53

draw some conclusions for himself

00:25:55

practically But this summer

00:25:57

Nikolai Patrushev was already doing this. Yes, consultations through the

00:26:00

Security Council with

00:26:01

Sally Ivan were carried out until

00:26:04

the beginning of September, then the Americans

00:26:06

interrupted them unilaterally. I don’t

00:26:08

know, maybe they will resume now.

00:26:10

But it seems they have not resumed yet,

00:26:15

but this was actually my Next

00:26:17

question because Considering how all

00:26:21

these people who are now watching

00:26:24

depend on Putin and all his courtiers,

00:26:27

all his boyars are afraid of what will

00:26:30

happen, is there anyone among them

00:26:34

who is now conducting separate negotiations with

00:26:37

the West, if of course this is known,

00:26:39

no one is conducting separate negotiations with the West

00:26:42

from the number of officials of category A

00:26:45

cannot even be traced if they

00:26:47

even tried to think about it, it would become

00:26:49

known to the President of the Russian Federation

00:26:50

and the fate of these people would already be terrible.

00:26:53

As for the oligarchs, they can introduce

00:26:56

any consultations with anyone.

00:26:58

This does not mean anything because they do not

00:27:00

influence anything or anyone Palace

00:27:03

coups are not capable of because they are not in the palace

00:27:06

Well, they also will not dare to do this The maximum

00:27:09

that they can afford is

00:27:11

to express some sympathy for Ukraine,

00:27:13

promise financial assistance, etc.,

00:27:16

in exchange for taking from them lifted sanctions

00:27:18

or try to act as

00:27:20

Abramovich’s leader to play

00:27:22

independent games with the West, they are

00:27:25

not able at the moment, it is not

00:27:28

excluded that the time will come in the not so

00:27:30

distant future when they will try to

00:27:32

do this, but for now this track Yes, the

00:27:35

negotiation track is controlled by

00:27:38

the president and those consultations that

00:27:40

took place with the Americans were also carried out with his

00:27:43

knowledge and they also related specifically to

00:27:45

transit and the possibility of resolving

00:27:47

relations with Ukraine, by the way,

00:27:50

of course, but

00:27:54

in fact the main question that you have been

00:27:57

telling for a long time is that Putin is sick and

00:27:59

that Transit will be connected simply with the fact

00:28:03

that he physically will not be able to continue. To be

00:28:05

honest, you are enough you’ve been

00:28:08

saying for a long time, but Putin lives and lives

00:28:11

and somehow shakes his leg for time, and

00:28:15

accordingly

00:28:16

the question is what is the transit connected with

00:28:19

and the Transit is connected with his state of

00:28:21

health, inability to fulfill his

00:28:24

public duties, I emphasize, I

00:28:26

never said that this is connected with the fact

00:28:28

that he will die I have always said that this is

00:28:30

due to his inability to fulfill

00:28:32

public duties as the President of

00:28:36

the Russian Federation. Although from behind the scenes

00:28:38

he can still try to lead for some time.

00:28:39

This is the first. Second, I said that

00:28:42

I may have been talking about this for a long time in fact.

00:28:44

Only in the beginning of the twentieth year when

00:28:47

he was diagnosed with severe cancer,

00:28:49

very severe, when he had an

00:28:51

operation, his physiological vulture was determined,

00:28:54

I said that in the twenty-second year He

00:28:57

will not be in Russian between Russian

00:28:59

international foreign policy in

00:29:01

domestic politics Well, the forces of other reasons have

00:29:03

already largely disappeared from International politics

00:29:05

will disappear from within

00:29:09

with health circumstances

00:29:12

Absolutely true, but will disappear from the

00:29:15

internal 22 year has not yet ended, I tell

00:29:19

you Yes, I remember the story of 90 thousand

00:29:21

nine hundred and ninety-nine and

00:29:23

the speech of Boris Nikolaevich Yeltsin,

00:29:28

and that is, it’s good, and With such a Transit,

00:29:32

Russia’s policy will somehow change, that is,

00:29:35

young Patrushev if to believe that the

00:29:37

authorities will be handed over to him, that the war will end,

00:29:40

I don’t think that it could be done so

00:29:43

easily, they would like to do it, but

00:29:46

you know very well that if the paste is squeezed out,

00:29:51

you can’t put it back into the tube and you will have to make some

00:29:53

unpopular decisions and so far not very

00:29:57

it is clear how these decisions will look,

00:29:59

one thing is more or less obvious since

00:30:02

this is a group, although it is called

00:30:06

security, it is the key among the security forces, if

00:30:08

it comes to power, it will still

00:30:10

not be as strong as the president who

00:30:12

left. She will have to resort to very

00:30:15

likely harsh measures to retain

00:30:18

power. probably tough measures

00:30:21

Will this be combined with a peace-loving

00:30:24

foreign policy, but it may well

00:30:25

be combined, I’ll remind you of the famous

00:30:28

story with de Gaulle, well known to you

00:30:30

before, who came at the time in the

00:30:32

elections of power under the slogan of French

00:30:34

Algeria, then took this from Algeria, left the

00:30:38

consultations that took place in the summer they also

00:30:40

touched on how to regulate

00:30:42

relations with Ukraine. I can say that

00:30:45

the possibility of a

00:30:47

very flexible position on the part of the

00:30:49

Russian Federation was demonstrated there. But not everyone

00:30:52

shares this position; there are people who

00:30:54

believe that there is no need to go that far.

00:30:57

There is some kind of public opinion that is, I

00:30:59

would say, bloodthirsty In this

00:31:02

case, I can’t use the term

00:31:04

patriotic, just bloodthirsty,

00:31:06

so the new government will have many

00:31:09

restrictions,

00:31:13

but turbo-patriots

00:31:16

actually exist, or all these

00:31:19

people who scream death to the Ukrainians

00:31:23

if Putin clicks, they won’t be there,

00:31:26

and some even very many are

00:31:29

dependent on the administration president

00:31:31

financial ideological Well, of course,

00:31:34

in administrative terms too. Therefore,

00:31:36

you can snap your finger to interrupt

00:31:39

funding or threaten

00:31:41

to cut it and they will take a different position, there

00:31:44

is a group of sincere ones, that’s how we say

00:31:47

Igor Strelku, he sincerely says what he

00:31:49

thinks, he has always said this and This

00:31:52

group is not so small there is a group in a

00:31:55

society of active support, according to some

00:31:58

estimates based on sociology, this is up to

00:32:01

15 percent of people up to 15 percent of the

00:32:03

population of Russia, say from 10 to 15, this is

00:32:07

a group of those who actively support this

00:32:10

position actively, but whether they are capable of

00:32:14

political actions, what kind of

00:32:16

political actions is not very

00:32:18

clear I would suggest that the following development of events

00:32:20

could pose a much greater danger:

00:32:24

imagine

00:32:28

changes happening on the fronts that are undesirable for the Kremlin. But those tens and

00:32:32

hundreds of thousands of people who are there now

00:32:34

who have suffered, they are being

00:32:36

withdrawn, including PMCs, many with

00:32:40

weapons in their hands, many with

00:32:43

defeat syndrome it seemed to them Yes, many And I already

00:32:47

remember this syndrome very well, we would have been stuck in

00:32:50

our back just a little bit more

00:32:53

and we could have gained the upper hand We

00:32:56

could have won they come back here

00:32:59

where there is a weakening of power in any

00:33:03

case, disintegration is what it looks like Well,

00:33:06

here we are We recently saw videos where 500

00:33:09

people came out. They are wandering around the Belgorod region with military weapons and

00:33:12

live ammunition,

00:33:16

and imagine this, they have no

00:33:19

combat experience yet. And when these people are

00:33:21

angry,

00:33:22

angry, really like there,

00:33:25

exhausted, so from the Civil War, as

00:33:27

he said with one song in one song,

00:33:30

come back This is the smell of anyone for the

00:33:33

Patriots and the possibility of such an

00:33:35

Alliance arises. And then there is Evgeniy

00:33:38

Viktorovich Prigozhin, who not only has

00:33:40

people, but also artillery and aviation,

00:33:43

who may have ambitions and this will be

00:33:46

such a mess that it doesn’t seem like it

00:33:48

could lead to direct clashes

00:33:51

with armed forces Well, I understand that

00:33:54

too far means too far,

00:33:58

they tell me that this could happen in the future in 6-8

00:34:00

months, and this is

00:34:02

not what analysts say, you know. From the outside, this is

00:34:06

said by people who actually work

00:34:07

in power,

00:34:11

but here’s how people who work in

00:34:14

power I understand that this is too general

00:34:16

a question that now applies to Putin about the war

00:34:19

and about their own future

00:34:22

they are irritated They are very irritated if

00:34:25

you can say something about them that

00:34:28

unites them Yes in their

00:34:30

psychological tone this is a very strong

00:34:32

irritation this is regret that he

00:34:35

committed a fatal

00:34:37

fatal act And then there is a

00:34:40

discrepancy regarding how to

00:34:42

evaluate this and how to act for many people.

00:34:45

By the way, this also applies to some officials in the

00:34:48

category of the

00:34:50

Stockholm syndrome category. Well, here we are on this

00:34:54

galley, yes, we are chained to it with golden chains,

00:34:57

together with it we will go to the bottom,

00:34:59

that’s what decision will be made we will share this

00:35:01

decision we will share

00:35:03

and those who belong to the middle echelon

00:35:06

stems from Schmidt there are a lot of

00:35:08

radically minded people they believe that

00:35:11

the president makes bad decisions that

00:35:13

he cannot win it is his fault

00:35:15

his fault and that they need another leader the

00:35:19

leader is a real military louse who

00:35:22

holds victory in this, they got involved, then they

00:35:25

can’t go out without Victory. They say, from

00:35:27

my point of view, quite sensibly that in

00:35:30

Russia they can forgive the authorities for everything except

00:35:32

military defeat. I think that this is a very

00:35:35

sound judgment, how they hope to

00:35:37

achieve Victory, they cannot explain,

00:35:40

they also have hopes on some kind of

00:35:41

miraculous leader because they do

00:35:44

n’t rely on a miracle weapon, but a very

00:35:47

large group of those who will simply

00:35:49

survive, go with the flow. Well, let’s

00:35:51

hope that the great Russian

00:35:53

somehow, somehow, it’s all sucking

00:35:55

somehow, everything will work out, but in in

00:35:58

general, once again irritation and a decadent

00:36:01

mood, no enthusiasm in the summer,

00:36:04

they had a flash of enthusiasm for a while

00:36:06

when the

00:36:08

second stage was underway, which means confrontation,

00:36:12

when Russia, the Russian armed forces

00:36:14

achieved some successes, it seemed to them

00:36:16

that now they would be able to achieve military

00:36:18

success,

00:36:20

force Ukraine to peace, and only then

00:36:22

we will decide. their relations with

00:36:25

the West now they no longer have these hopes

00:36:28

left in a mood of decadence, strong

00:36:31

irritation and understanding this is very important

00:36:33

that everything is going to hell, everything

00:36:36

is going to hell Well, I meet this exactly this

00:36:40

feeling I saw among

00:36:41

Soviet-port officials at the turn of

00:36:44

90-91 then there is nothing new for me.

00:36:46

I remember how I spoke with the secretaries

00:36:48

of the district committees there with the head of the department of the Central Committee of the CPSU,

00:36:52

they were trying to do something, they were fussing, there was

00:36:56

party discipline, but in their eyes and

00:37:00

up to their faces, doom was written, this is

00:37:03

the end. That’s when I talked to them, had a

00:37:05

close conversation. I understood all this,

00:37:08

the story has already ended, maybe

00:37:10

they will flutter for some time, but the

00:37:14

Guys site is already all against them,

00:37:18

to feel that the Guys site is against them, so that

00:37:21

something very big and

00:37:23

fundamental will happen that can demolish them,

00:37:25

most likely it will sweep them away,

00:37:29

and Putin himself What a feeling he has does he

00:37:33

understand that he is losing or is he

00:37:36

still hoping for some kind of

00:37:38

magician miracle, now we will intimidate Europe,

00:37:41

now we will express it, now we will be

00:37:44

afraid of our nuclear bomb,

00:37:47

how adequate is he?

00:37:50

Well, in such cases I say that he is very

00:37:53

logical, very consistent, but his

00:37:55

logic is based on definitely

00:37:57

quite clearly pathological

00:37:59

premises, and you don’t know the pathological ones

00:38:02

from our everyday point of view, but

00:38:04

from a strict medical point of view, this

00:38:06

relates to his assessment of the perception of the situation

00:38:09

and character in making their decisions. He is

00:38:12

sure that there are two more tools.

00:38:14

The first is the mobilization contingent

00:38:17

if missed in the thing is, as it was in

00:38:21

1941-42, it will be possible to pave

00:38:24

the way to victory or to an acceptable peace with corpses, and the

00:38:27

second option is the Last Argument

00:38:29

of Kings - these are tactical nuclear weapons

00:38:31

and which are being prepared for use. Well, it

00:38:36

will start from the first with a demonstration, he

00:38:38

really wanted to demonstrate e

00:38:42

not tactical yet nuclear weapons but

00:38:45

simply conduct nuclear tests

00:38:48

NATO European Command introduced

00:38:50

readiness discount 2 this was due to a

00:38:52

certain specific reason they

00:38:55

expected in recent days they are now expecting

00:38:57

nuclear tests

00:39:00

twice already nuclear tests

00:39:02

have been postponed Putin was reported that

00:39:03

not everything is ready and it is already starting

00:39:06

to smell sabotage if he reports for the third time

00:39:08

that not everything is ready for nuclear

00:39:10

tests, but we can say that this is

00:39:12

already open But this is a demonstration

00:39:15

part And there is an idea to use

00:39:19

tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield

00:39:21

directly, low-power charges are

00:39:24

very small and the power is nevertheless

00:39:25

tactical nuclear weapons

00:39:30

what will America do in this case and

00:39:32

what will Putin do after this? America

00:39:35

said what it would do, but the fact is

00:39:37

that America spoke about the same thing on the eve of

00:39:40

February 24, what it would do in the event of an

00:39:43

armed confrontation and it

00:39:46

kept its promises, but for

00:39:48

some reason Vladimir Vladimirovich believes that

00:39:50

this time she will not fulfill her promise,

00:39:52

she said America and the training said

00:39:55

that they will give an answer, the answer will be

00:39:58

conventional

00:39:59

conventional weapons, but they may turn

00:40:02

out to be very powerful and then Putin

00:40:05

will have to either

00:40:06

admit defeat, start playing

00:40:09

back yes, or take the path of escalation What

00:40:12

is escalation is the use of the

00:40:15

same tactical weapons, but on a

00:40:16

much larger scale, I say Well, you

00:40:18

understand that then the fantasy becomes

00:40:20

silent, then

00:40:25

apocalyptic dystopias in the literal

00:40:28

sense of the word begin.

00:40:30

If we talk about escalation with the

00:40:32

use of nuclear weapons,

00:40:37

returning to the negotiations. You said

00:40:39

that negotiations took place through Patrushevo with

00:40:42

Sullivan and that they stopped in

00:40:44

September and what conditions

00:40:47

Russia put forward at these negotiations

00:40:49

because officially Russia said

00:40:51

that mine and what’s yours we’ll talk and

00:40:56

all four

00:40:59

annexed regions were among mine, which is absolutely

00:41:01

unrealistic

00:41:02

and unofficially it was still not

00:41:05

negotiations consultations the parties

00:41:07

tested the positions informally decided on a

00:41:10

much more flexible and capable

00:41:13

of compromise position than the one

00:41:16

proclaimed publicly and said that in

00:41:20

exchange for the non-interference of the Americans, the

00:41:22

transit process, that if they do not

00:41:24

interfere, they will not try to influence,

00:41:26

they will not help because the transfer of

00:41:29

power is always the window for

00:41:31

instability is well understood, then

00:41:33

We are ready to go so far, but

00:41:36

the Kremlin means the future government, more precisely, to

00:41:41

reserve only Crimea,

00:41:44

whether the Americans believed it is another matter.

00:41:47

This is very important and here you know such

00:41:50

funny circumstances, their

00:41:53

patrolman did not believe it, yes Well

00:41:56

Patrushev is a man of his word,

00:41:58

it’s very interesting

00:42:00

that you can trust him. If he

00:42:03

gave us some promises, we could

00:42:05

trust him. He has such a reputation, that’s

00:42:08

all he says in his interviews,

00:42:11

this is a reflection of his worldview.

00:42:17

Well, you can’t be a very good person

00:42:20

adequately in the worldview and as a man of

00:42:23

speech at the same time, it is possible for you to

00:42:26

talk about Patrusheva If soon If

00:42:28

soon we are talking in such detail about him and

00:42:31

his son,

00:42:36

this is a fear that

00:42:39

has been expressed more than once starting from the West. Well, well,

00:42:42

Putin will leave, won’t it be worse just in

00:42:46

that case I In this case, I do

00:42:49

n’t mean Dmitry Patrushev, he

00:42:52

may be a very good person, I

00:42:54

know practically nothing about him. But

00:42:57

Nikolai Platonovich, who

00:42:59

will probably influence the decision of a person who is actually tougher,

00:43:03

Vladimir Vladimirovich is tougher

00:43:06

and the situation may force him to be

00:43:09

tougher and this is not very, this is not a very

00:43:11

pleasant future,

00:43:16

that is, your main prediction is that

00:43:19

the process of transit of power will be peace to us,

00:43:22

that Putin during his lifetime will transfer power to the

00:43:25

Patrushev clan, let’s say so, and that Kadyrov

00:43:29

and Prigozhin are still completely

00:43:32

controlled by Putin, but when

00:43:34

the Transit will happen, this is not a fact. After all, they can be

00:43:38

faithful dogs of Putin, this does not mean that

00:43:41

they will be faithful Patrusheva

00:43:44

Yulia, yes with one amendment The first part of

00:43:47

the transit should pass relatively

00:43:49

peacefully and they think that without problems

00:43:52

everything possible and impossible will be done for this.

00:43:53

But then I don’t think that this

00:43:57

group will be able to retain power,

00:43:58

then it will not begin only interference

00:44:01

in open politics is acceptable for Prigozhin

00:44:05

and Kadyrov, but also for other groups, they

00:44:09

already now do not want

00:44:10

Patrushev’s group to take over,

00:44:13

they are openly afraid, based on the

00:44:16

considerations that I gave you, that

00:44:20

defeats, fear of losing assets,

00:44:23

after all, assets remain in Russia.

00:44:25

Therefore, they would very much they didn’t want the

00:44:28

security forces there to continue their reign,

00:44:32

so the conflict is programmed. But

00:44:35

it will be.

00:44:36

Well, you see, if Putin has an

00:44:41

internal readiness for this, he

00:44:43

has the participation of people who are

00:44:45

close to him, it also exists, but this does not

00:44:47

mean that everyone has the readiness and at

00:44:50

least several influential people,

00:44:52

two or three, they expressed I said, but

00:44:57

they expressed our point of view,

00:44:58

quite natural doubts that

00:45:00

this is necessary, that this will lead to something.

00:45:02

Well, for now, Putin

00:45:05

has listened to them, will he listen

00:45:07

further? not a fact again, this is very

00:45:09

important, he has an internal readiness for

00:45:11

this.

00:45:12

Yes, but who were these wonderful people

00:45:16

who expressed doubts to him?

00:45:19

Well, as far as I know, one of them is

00:45:21

Patrushev,

00:45:24

who else? Well, we can assume I think

00:45:27

that Bortnikov may be someone else,

00:45:32

listen already an onion like Dostoevsky’s

00:45:35

And who will be those people who don’t like

00:45:39

Patrushev nor the clan Kadyrov is not

00:45:44

useful as likely Heirs or at

00:45:47

least participants in the process

00:45:54

It’s as easy as shelling pears for everyone else,

00:45:57

imagine a minister in the

00:45:59

Russian government,

00:46:01

imagine the example of Minister Mishustin,

00:46:03

imagine the mayor of Moscow

00:46:06

imagine the governor of St. Petersburg

00:46:10

Oddly enough, he can find a common language

00:46:13

because we will most likely find, most

00:46:16

likely will find, so he is able to

00:46:19

do it And by the way, the client himself is a supporter of a

00:46:21

hard line, a supporter of a very, very

00:46:23

hard course, and in this sense, they and the

00:46:26

patrolmen can perfectly mount as

00:46:29

regards all the rest or the

00:46:32

majority They, of course, would be against

00:46:36

big business, the overwhelming majority

00:46:39

would be against

00:46:40

officials may not be so noticeable but

00:46:43

nevertheless influential and the government has

00:46:46

nothing to say so there are

00:46:49

very, very many who do not want this and the conflict

00:46:52

will begin exactly there the conflict will begin

00:46:54

among the Elites and will already be broadcast to

00:46:58

society from above

00:47:02

Yes, but those who do not want this have

00:47:05

one drawback: they do not have an army,

00:47:07

unlike Kadyrov and Prigozhin, which is why I

00:47:09

actually highlight how these

00:47:13

armed forces

00:47:15

are armed forces and there are groups of

00:47:20

people who are able to solve

00:47:22

certain problems There is no need to underestimate the

00:47:25

opponents of this group, they also have

00:47:28

some resources, most importantly, some

00:47:30

opportunities.

00:47:34

These are literally the last two questions, we have

00:47:37

been talking for more than 40 minutes, I understand

00:47:40

that we need to wrap things up a little, but

00:47:43

nevertheless, these are two questions that I

00:47:45

cannot help but ask about the armed forces

00:47:48

Surikin or Shoigu, they can be

00:47:52

independent players in this story,

00:47:55

especially if they try to push the

00:47:57

blame for the defeat onto them.

00:47:58

So far, no, they don’t have for this, I would

00:48:03

say moral and psychological strength, they

00:48:05

take everything for granted at the present

00:48:08

moment. They have been 146 percent cleared by

00:48:11

military counterintelligence and spoken to each

00:48:13

other They will not be able to But

00:48:16

if they see that the Supreme

00:48:18

Commander-in-Chief

00:48:19

has weakened, here is a possible moment of

00:48:22

unification, moment of speech, who will

00:48:24

raise the flag I don’t know

00:48:27

this, no one knows Because if

00:48:30

they knew this man there would no longer be an

00:48:32

armed force, you understand perfectly well,

00:48:34

but no less than someone Maybe someone

00:48:37

may appear And perhaps it will be

00:48:39

a person who will appear from the front some kind of

00:48:42

combat general general Yes and

00:48:45

those who are now

00:48:47

in the public eye have not necessarily disappeared, maybe a completely different

00:48:48

person remember how the swan appeared all the time

00:48:50

then Lev Rokhlin Here such

00:48:52

a story is a person with a combat past,

00:48:55

it is possible, it is possible,

00:48:57

well, for this, such a

00:49:00

condition is necessary as the weakening of the Supreme

00:49:02

Commander-in-Chief and disorientation or the

00:49:05

lack of military counterintelligence

00:49:07

desire to do anything while they are

00:49:10

working extremely effectively to the highest

00:49:12

degree

00:49:15

between

00:49:17

Gerasimov Shoigu and the Surikov we have

00:49:20

now some kind of disagreement or is it

00:49:23

purely some kind of tactical disagreement, I don’t

00:49:26

think that they have at least some kind of

00:49:28

agreement. The fact is that Shoigu has

00:49:32

no influence on the operation at all,

00:49:34

it’s exclusively the chairman at the

00:49:37

present time

00:49:38

Gerasimova can have some

00:49:40

influence on development of plans, but I’m not sure

00:49:42

what is significant. Therefore, if the surikov

00:49:45

communicates with someone, then directly with the

00:49:48

president, but not in any way

00:49:52

through Gerasimov, I think that this is

00:49:56

no longer any sense

00:49:58

for Putin in the first place. There is no point in this,

00:50:03

but the last question is very strange

00:50:07

returning to what you said when

00:50:09

you talked about the negotiations, I can’t help but

00:50:13

ask you about the role of Roman Abramovich in

00:50:16

all these negotiations. Moreover,

00:50:17

as far as I understand, he turned out to be the

00:50:20

mediator who somehow managed to

00:50:23

participate in the liberation of the Azov people.

00:50:27

Yes, but his negotiating function is

00:50:30

limited humanitarian issues

00:50:32

regarding the issue of big politics No,

00:50:34

this will not be trusted by anyone because big

00:50:37

politics is a matter of the literal sense of the word

00:50:39

life and death

00:50:40

for those who now rule Russia in the

00:50:43

literal sense of life and death, this is the stake of

00:50:46

negotiations with the Americans and the preservation of

00:50:49

this system after Putin, the stake is more

00:50:52

than in Abramovich’s life They definitely won’t

00:50:54

trust it because as in one novel

00:50:56

it was said

00:50:59

Panikovsky will sell 100 times

00:51:01

resell and buy again no Abramovich

00:51:04

they don’t trust one thing to solve

00:51:06

some financial issues is to carry out

00:51:08

business orders and another thing to

00:51:10

negotiate

00:51:12

for the ruling group this will

00:51:15

never happen

00:51:16

Moreover, I can say that there is also a certain

00:51:19

prejudice towards him due to his ethnicity

00:51:24

and what role does Erdogan play in all

00:51:29

this now and is it true that Russian

00:51:32

businessmen and officials are now transferring a

00:51:35

gigantic amount of money to Turkey

00:51:38

about transfers to Turkey I don’t know

00:51:41

anything about this heard not heard Although

00:51:43

it probably looked logical at the

00:51:45

moment if Erdogan gave some kind of unspoken

00:51:49

security guarantees I think it’s

00:51:51

safer than transferring to Hong Kong

00:51:54

I think it’s safer than transferring

00:51:57

to Argentina there’s not much room left

00:51:59

where you can even transfer money

00:52:01

in the modern world If you don’t store

00:52:04

physical gold like some people store it, in

00:52:07

particular, like Putin stores

00:52:09

his money in physical form, by the way, Shoigu also

00:52:11

stores physical gold in physical form,

00:52:15

so the floor didn’t count the

00:52:18

banks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s

00:52:21

just the size, it’s

00:52:24

not a room, it’s a bomb shelter, it’s

00:52:29

a bomb shelter,

00:52:30

part of it is stored in this way, they think

00:52:33

that you say that in Putin’s

00:52:36

bean shelters his

00:52:39

Gold reserves are actually located, these are

00:52:42

located here,

00:52:44

he is not in the Russian Federation

00:52:47

for the most part, but in very reliable

00:52:50

protected places,

00:52:52

but Putin The fact is that he is a man of the old

00:52:55

formation, he understands perfectly well that he does not

00:52:57

believe in all these digital things That’s what the

00:53:00

money in the account shows, pieces of paper with

00:53:03

zeros, this is incomprehensible to him, he doesn’t believe that this is how

00:53:07

money is saved, from

00:53:10

his point of view, it should be

00:53:11

saved somehow differently in this type of

00:53:14

storage in physical form, he

00:53:17

trusts it much more And so yes

00:53:20

they can it’s quite possible to bring it to Turkey, I willingly

00:53:22

allow Putin listens to Erdogan,

00:53:26

this is one of the few politicians in whom

00:53:28

he has always treated with respect and

00:53:31

it’s clear that Erdogan is with you now

00:53:34

in the role of a mediator, but again he is

00:53:36

exaggeratedly attracting so far, from the

00:53:40

Kremlin’s point of view, there is nothing special to agree on

00:53:45

Then just the last question. Our

00:53:48

imagination is excited by the sight of this

00:53:51

cave of Ali Baba and the forty thieves, and

00:53:54

now Putin can come somewhere and

00:53:57

say Open up and you are saying all this outside the

00:54:00

Russian

00:54:02

Federation. Why can’t the

00:54:04

American special forces warm up and

00:54:06

say to tears? Open up Well, he can’t,

00:54:08

American special forces will come there,

00:54:11

there are some security guarantees in

00:54:14

this regard Yes, this is not all in physical form

00:54:16

But a significant part of this is about

00:54:19

tons, tens of tons of bundles of banknotes and

00:54:23

gold, gold and various kinds of

00:54:26

precious metals.

00:54:30

I’m saying Ali Baba’s cave,

00:54:33

believe me not alone and the participation of the elite, too,

00:54:37

this is how it is stored

00:54:42

Valery Dmitrievich Thank you for the

00:54:45

wonderful conversation it was Yulia and

00:54:49

Professor Nightingale we were watched through the

00:54:52

efforts of trolls about 30 thousand

00:54:55

people, do

00:54:58

not forget to subscribe to our channel. Do not forget

00:55:00

to subscribe to Valery

00:55:03

Dmitrievich’s channel, share and put likes Well,

00:55:06

on Saturday and maybe earlier We are waiting for you

00:55:09

at the access code I promise that it will be a lot of

00:55:13

fun all the best goodbye Thank you

00:55:18

Yulia thank you goodbye Thank you all

00:55:20

goodbye Pay

00:55:44

attention to the Lord how

00:55:46

fascinated the professor listened to the nightingale

00:55:48

cat tie

00:56:17

Dasha should have written in the chair

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