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Vitaliy Good evening Greetings Svitlan
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Vitaliy Well, actually, there is a lot of
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news, I want to understand what they
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mean in total for Ukraine.
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the presence of speeches, Zelenskyi's speech, the
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meeting at the Davos
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forum, they are actually successful, what they
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heard very clearly, Volodymyr
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Zelenskyi said that he received positive
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signals regarding the aid of the European Union, this is the
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unblocking of 50 billion euros, and the adoption of a
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decision by the congress, what he hopes for as
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well. He very clearly said that he does not believe
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in the freezing of the conflict from the war with Russia,
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because actually Putin is the Predator who does
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not eat frozen foods and heard the
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wonderful statements of Ursula Fondreljaen And
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we also know the other positions of other
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leaders. So how can we characterize the results of the
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Davos Forum?
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Ukrainians Ukraine, apart from Ursula Fonderlyan,
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other leaders who were there, the Davos Forum
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is in any case an opportunity to
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draw attention to Russia's war against
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Ukraine.
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at the
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economic forum in Davos, the main topic
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discussed at this event was the restoration of
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trust with the People's Republic of China, the
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main guest there was the Prime Minister of
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the State Council of the People's
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Republic of China, Lician, who called for trust
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in China, and you and I perfectly understand that
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if the President of Ukraine did not come to the
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forum in principle not much would be said about Ukraine,
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even if there was a
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meeting of national
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security advisors on the sidelines. At least before the speech,
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Zelenskyi had the attention of the audience.
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I watched the front pages of
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Swiss publications today.
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Swiss President Viola Amhert met with Zelenskyi. By the way, she is
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the Minister of Defense of Switzerland, so she
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very well understands all these problems
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that exist, and in any case, this is an
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attempt to once again draw the attention of a
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wide international audience
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to the problems that exist in the
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Russian-Ukrainian war, however You and
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I understand very well
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that all these decisions that should take place
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regarding aid to Ukraine are
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taking place outside of Davos. And by the way,
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just to add, today there
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were two events that directly affect the
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future aid to Ukraine much
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more than all the discussions at the Davos
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forum,
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these are the results of the Iowa Republicans' Praaries
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one event that should also be
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discussed in this regard is the visit,
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the first visit that the Prime Minister of
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Slovakia, Robert Fiza, made to
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Budapest for a meeting with the Prime Minister of
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Hungary, Viktor Orbán, during the
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primaries, the Ukrainian topic was not,
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of course, decisively important, but it is
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obvious
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Donald Trump's stunning victory Although I don't understand
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why anyone doubted it, it
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reminds me again who will be the real
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contender from the Republicans. It
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always amazes me that people comfort themselves with
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some political stories that they
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can't miss. This is about
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how we are in 2019 nationwide
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comforted themselves with the idea that it was possible to
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stop the war and negotiate with Putin,
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but here the idea was
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that the beautiful politician Nikki Haley, who
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supports our country, that she can become a
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real alternative to Trump, she
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ended up in third place,
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not even in second place, I imagine that
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she may end up in second place because
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Florida Governor Mr. DeSantis is
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running out of campaign money and
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doesn't have big donations maybe It's this
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lack of money that will allow Ms. Haley to
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come in second place but it's just a
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fight or for the place of such another
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important leader of Republican
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sympathies or even though I would in Ms.
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Haley's place, I would not have made such a mistake for
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Donald Trump's vice-presidential position, although
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we know from Mike Pence's experience that this is an
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ungrateful place, because you understand very well
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that there
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can be no one around Donald Trump, there is one sun, one
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moon, one Leader and that that Donald Trump
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will be the obvious winner of these primaries,
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this is a signal to those Republicans who are thinking about
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how they should behave in the House of
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Representatives. Well, how should they behave in order to
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keep their districts, to be re-elected,
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to keep the places of
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committee heads? Well, together with Donald
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Trump, we need to drown Joseph Biden. And how to
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drown Joseph Biden, creating a situation
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in which the American
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president will be defeated in the Ukrainian crisis, so that
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Donald Trump will have the opportunity after
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he returns to the White House. And the
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Republicans hope for this, and there are opportunities here.
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he already said today that
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the situation in Ukraine is terrible, the situation in
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Israel is terrible, and he will deal with all this,
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but he will deal with it as he
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sees fit, he will not ask us and you,
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and I am afraid that the Ukrainian leadership
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will not ask it in the style of Donald
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Trump, so what in this regard, I
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believe that Iowa will once again create
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certain problems in the negotiations between
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Republicans and Democrats, because I am
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sure that the border with Mexico
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and aid to Ukraine. This is just an excuse to
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create problems for the
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administration. I
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honestly told
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Volodymyr Zelenskyi when he was from
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the United States that it is none of your business, none of
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your business in our internal
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political struggle. So here I am, to be honest.
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various
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twists and turns of this situation, it is possible to
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reduce this amount proposed by the
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President of the United States, it is necessary to
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look at how the events will unfold
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in the coming weeks, but it is necessary to understand
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that each new week will be worse than the
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previous one, this is the second time, this may be the
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last such package, it is also necessary to
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understand that you and I say that, in
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principle, the Russian-Ukrainian war
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can continue for a long time, and we
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heard the words of President Zelenskyi
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that he is against the freezing of this conflict.
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I can wholeheartedly agree with that, but a
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person who is sincerely against the freezing of
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this conflict is against me. President
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Zelenskyi is against, but we both have to
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realize that it is
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impossible to get new American billions if the war
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is continued in 2025, it can
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take place without American money, this is
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also a reality. As you
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understand, quoting the head of the Ukrainian
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Foreign Ministry, Dmytro
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Kuleyeb, you will not fight for a long time, and I do not know
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how much we will succeed, but it must be
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done in this year 2024, to build our
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own military-industrial complex,
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to create the conditions for us to survive in the
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absence of tangible help in terms of
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money from the European Union, Viktor
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Orbán clearly said today at the
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press conference with Robert Fitze that this
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help can be
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provided only if it is not will affect the
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budget of the European Union, it is like this. I would say
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a signal to the head of the European Commission,
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Mrs. Ursula Fonderlein, that Without
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compromises on the part of Hungary, I think
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Slovakia
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will join. There is no need to think about such
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help, so the European Union has two options. The
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first option is to unfreeze money for
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Hungary, but to agree about the fact that
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every year or in the middle of the term Well, as
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Orban wants, so to speak, there will be an audit of
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this money, in fact, the annual decision of
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every 10 billion and every time this money
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can be blocked from
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Budapest, the second option is to
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decide that this money will be provided
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without the consent of Hungary there is also such a possibility,
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but it will still have to be decided every year
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without Budapest, there
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will still be an annual audit, and then you can
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think about what Slovakia will say there, will
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oppose it next year or some other
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country, so with all this money,
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unfortunately, it is not as easy as for us I would like
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signals with signals, but we also have to
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understand this important thing
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that what President Zelensky is saying
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is Blinken
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or Sullivan or Ursula
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Fonderlein, these assurances still do not
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reflect the real picture because
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they manage democratic
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institutions and they are not dictators. If
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Putin says so, I will give you
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money, this money will appear in your
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accounts The next day, because he wo
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n't ask anyone And Blinken or Ostyan
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have to negotiate with the congress without
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agreements there will be no money, there
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simply isn't Where to get usula
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Fonderlein has to negotiate with all the
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countries of the European Union, she doesn't solve
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the issue providing money. She only
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moderates the negotiation process among the
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leaders of the EU countries. I remember very well,
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I was very surprised at the time when
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one of our
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deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, a person whom
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I respect for his active participation in
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international
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aid processes for Ukraine, a deputy from the
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Servant of the
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People party, wrote in December when I
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was absolutely sure that there
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would be no help, he went to some
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international meetings and was told
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that by the end of December, the congress would vote for
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help, and I believe that he met with a
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member of the House of Representatives or a
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senator, I think he even
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mentioned the name of this person. It
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seems to me that it was this person who then told
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Volodymyr Zelenskyi that it was nothing personal, that
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this was our internal struggle, and this person
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told him, Well, we will try to
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solve it in December, we are interested in
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helping you, that's how people talk to each other,
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this is the relationship, but
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the mechanism itself is much more complicated in
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politics, you should never believe when
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you are promised something, even when it is promised
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at the level of the president of the country, remember
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when President Biden said that the
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United States will be with Ukraine
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as long as it takes, and then during the
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last stay of the Ukrainian
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president in the United States, there was a
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phrase as long as
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we can, so that politics and this must be
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clearly
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understood, it
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differs from literature, let's say from
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some concept of dreams, it is exclusively
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the art of the possible, we can want
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many things, we can want
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justice to prevail, we can want the enemy to
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be destroyed and
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punished, we can want all this,
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but in politics it will happen only
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what we can and not what we want,
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and this is an absolutely obvious thing when it
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comes to the struggle between democracies and
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dictatorships. I am sure that in the foreseeable
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future, in the perspective of the next
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25-30 years, the democrats will prevail over the
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dictatorships because they are more effective
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because they are
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more capable of generating ideas because
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they are more inclusive, they have every
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opportunity to win in this struggle
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for what the future of humanity will look like,
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but for Ukraine it is important that it
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simply be at this moment on the political
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map of the world that we were not several
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regions of Russia Federations that say
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Oh, it's so great, the democrats have won
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the regime in Moscow has been destroyed, now we
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will heal, we need to be, you understand, in order to
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heal, we need to stay and this is also a very
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important thing that we need to remember,
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we know these 10 points of the formula of
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Volodymyr Zelensky's Peace of Peace
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These are absolutely correct and the exact points
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again under each of these points I would
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sign and if I were instructed to
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create an ideal picture of the world, I would
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write these 10 points, but then I
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would ask myself the question And how should I
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achieve this Well, let's say I should
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achieve the removal of all of Russian
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troops from the occupied territories of Ukraine,
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when the Russian Federation does not care about my
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conditions and the international community, and I
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cannot otherwise withdraw them from its territory
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only by force, despite the fact that other
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countries are going to exclusively observe how
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I will do it and how the country there with the
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population 35-40 million, which we had
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before the war, will fight with a country worth 140
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million. This is also not taking part in this.
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They are watching. I will be interested in this
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point, how I
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will implement the idea that
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Putin and other Russian leaders should
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become participants in the international tribunal,
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which I wholeheartedly support, when on that day,
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if, when, there is a meeting of
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Davos advisers, and at it, let's say,
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the representative of India is sitting there and he is also listening to all this
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and is interested in my idea about
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the formula, and the Prime Minister of India,
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Narendra Modi, is talking at the same moment
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with the President of Russia Vladimir Putin,
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he talks about what Moscow and Delhi
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should strengthen their strategic friendly
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partnership, he discusses with him important
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economic initiatives, he discusses with him the
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Russian presidency of the BRCS, and it is not
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China, I emphasize not China, which is
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clearly on the side of the Russian Federation and
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will do everything possible to
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In its struggle with the West, the Russian Federation
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won, it is India that wants to have good
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relations with the United States, that it
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is important to have these relations, that, in
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principle, should not so openly
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build special partnership relations with the
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Russian Federation and embrace
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Putin, this is Modi who said back in 2022 to the
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Russian president in
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Samarkand that
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war is not a modern way to solve the
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problem, but almost two years have passed,
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Modi saw that Putin is continuing the war, that
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he is not going to get out of this war,
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that the Russian economy has survived, that as
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a result he can get oil at
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cheaper prices and the entire strategic
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partnership with Russia,
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his appeasement of the world became a priority again. This is what
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the art of the possible looks like. Therefore, of
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course, we have to support these 10 points
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as the basis for the settlement of
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this situation that arose in the
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Russian-Ukrainian war. We hope
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that someday in 5 years, in three years,
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I don't know when this program can be
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survived, but in reality the war may
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not end as we think
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and we must
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prepare
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for the shock of the end of the war and the
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electoral shock after it
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ends. There are two shocks that
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Ukrainians will have to experience in the coming years, and I
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want to say one more important thing,
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the sooner
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the war ends The
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conditions under which it will
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end will be all the more difficult, this is also a political rule,
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because Oh, I won't convince you,
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Svetlana, let's just look at the map
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once at the map of the current
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hostilities and here we will imagine it to ourselves
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that the war ends there, now, now,
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well we understand how it
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ends, this is a truce on the contact line,
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this is Russia's control over the
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territories it now has at its
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disposal. This is
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18% of the territory of Ukraine. These are
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absolutely unresolved issues of the
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Euro-Atlantic integration of Ukraine, and
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our NATO partners will tell us, you
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know. We will of course develop our
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relations, however, we understand what about NATO
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Until you
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find the possibility of a political agreement with the
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Russian Federation, this is the 10th point of the
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peace
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proposals of President Zelensky, a peace
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agreement until now, your
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Euro-Atlantic integration is not
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possible Well, these are the
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moments that you need to think about, and if
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it is just a truce "I mean, you understand
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no European integration, no
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investments, no real future.
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This is just a survival program, that is, they
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gave you a break so that you could breathe air before a
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new clash. Well, this is how it could
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look, even if you imagine the
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ideal scenario, that this is how it happened, that
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this is a truce." I have
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signed that we became members of NATO
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even after that, that Russia will
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never again dare to attack us,
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but the issue of the territorial integrity of
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Ukraine may not be resolved in
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our lifetime, but since the
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issue of restoring the
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statehood of the Baltic countries was once resolved, it was
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resolved after 50 years, but many
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people who dreamed about it, who believed that
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Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia would be
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independent sovereign states at
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the time of the restoration of statehood, where they
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were already in a better world, in a better
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world, this could happen to us, moreover,
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it is more likely than any other
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turn of events we also need to prepare for this,
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but if the war
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continues longer, if the Ukrainian
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armed forces will have the possibility of
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liberating a large part of the territory,
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breaking through the corridor that we
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talked about a lot last year, which
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led from Rostov to Crimea,
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liberating the entire
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Kherson region, relatively speaking, I'm just now
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I am saying conditional things about the Zaporizhzhia region.
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Now I am not drawing anything on the map, I
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am simply saying the possible reasons for how this
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will happen, it will be a slightly different
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version of the end of the war. And there may be
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military actions on the part of the Russian
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Federation, the capture of Kharkiv region, the capture of
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Mykolaiv region, the recapture of
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those positions by the Russians in
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the Kherson region and in the Kharkiv region, from which they
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were expelled, this can also be due to the
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development of the war, this is a war, we never know
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how it will turn out today, we
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can see how it is.
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I know that there
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will be different options for development.
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There may be different options. And now there is one
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option, if it ends, it does not
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end. We do not
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even see a sign of the President of the Russian
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Federation, Vladimir Putin, to stop this
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war. We talk a lot about our
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wishes, but we must understand that and
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Putin does not have these desires, he is
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programmed for war, the result of
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which will be the disappearance of Ukraine from the political
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map of the world. He is sure that
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he will succeed.
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this is one
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option, this is the second option, this is the third
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option, and to understand that we would really
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like to say that the war would
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end tomorrow, everyone wants to
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live in peace, but it will end. Under
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such conditions, others cannot, if we
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change the military situation, because
00:21:00
only force solves the problem here So
00:21:02
it can end on different terms,
00:21:05
better for Ukraine or much
00:21:07
worse for Ukraine, and ideally
00:21:10
nothing can end because in Politics -
00:21:12
it is not art, I already said ideal, but
00:21:15
art is possible. The president absolutely
00:21:18
correctly offers the world the
00:21:20
maximalist level of our desires,
00:21:22
but we to understand that his listeners are
00:21:27
full-eyed
00:21:29
national security advisers who listen to us
00:21:31
and perceive it Max as
00:21:33
maximalist levels they do not think that
00:21:35
this is all the way it will happen they
00:21:37
perceive it as a Peace program
00:21:39
proposed by Ukraine and there is a Peace program
00:21:42
proposed by Russia recognition of
00:21:45
territorial realities neutral status,
00:21:47
nazification, demilitarization,
00:21:50
all this nonsense for us and for other
00:21:55
countries - This is what Russia sees as a
00:21:57
prerequisite for the cessation of hostilities, and
00:22:00
this is when these two programs meet, and the
00:22:02
Ukrainian program is much
00:22:03
closer to international law by
00:22:05
100% more But again I repeat that these are
00:22:09
the programs of the two sides that clarify
00:22:12
relations by force, then the meeting of these two projects
00:22:16
may result in something that
00:22:22
will lead to the end of the war in the foreseeable or in the immeasurable perspective, but this is
00:22:23
also only a theory today, only
00:22:27
because I do not see anything on the Russian
00:22:29
side yet even a glimpse of the thought that they will
00:22:31
not win this war. If we talk about the
00:22:34
Russian side very briefly, Putin
00:22:36
mentioned Ukraine again. Yes, it was at a
00:22:38
meeting with the heads of the municipal
00:22:40
entities of the subjects, he complained about
00:22:42
Ukraine's refusal to negotiate with Russia,
00:22:44
he began to scold the Ukrainian side, interpreting
00:22:47
everything as long ago is already over and again
00:22:48
mentioned the Prime Minister of Britain
00:22:51
Johnson, who spoiled it all and refused
00:22:54
Ukraine. Why did Putin mention this
00:22:56
story again now and why did he again speak in
00:22:59
general about the negotiations? to
00:23:08
fight you off and you don't stop your
00:23:12
attempts, you cut her, you beat her, she's covered in blood and you
00:23:17
tell her Listen, if you agreed
00:23:20
or agreed, everything would have been over a long time ago, I would have
00:23:23
satisfied myself and left, why are
00:23:26
you bothering your head,
00:23:28
it's just the same, that's all you understand the talk of the
00:23:33
maniac. He wants no
00:23:35
surrender negotiations. If you had agreed to
00:23:38
surrender, everything would have happened now
00:23:40
regarding the eternal history with Boris Johnson.
00:23:44
I keep reminding you of one simple
00:23:48
thing. I am not going to discuss what
00:23:52
happened
00:23:53
in the office of the President of Ukraine with the
00:23:57
conditions that were proposed and
00:24:00
discussed during the negotiations in
00:24:04
Turkey, because
00:24:07
we did
00:24:10
not have a special public reaction to these negotiations and their results, we
00:24:12
simply did not have time to react even to them.
00:24:13
We knew what was proposed.
00:24:16
But after Buch, it became completely
00:24:18
irrelevant. the
00:24:22
Russian
00:24:24
reaction to what
00:24:28
Volodymyr Medinsky brought from Turkey, because
00:24:31
he voiced these agreements, which
00:24:34
were supposedly already reached and which must be
00:24:37
implemented during the next rounds
00:24:40
of negotiations, and it was until Buuchi before Buch. So
00:24:45
when Volodymyr Medinsky came to
00:24:47
Moscow, a real propaganda campaign against him began
00:24:52
company when leading Russian
00:24:56
politicians and Russian propagandists all the
00:24:59
time said that what Medinsky is proposing
00:25:01
is a real betrayal of Russia and that such
00:25:03
people should be
00:25:05
condemned and kicked out of
00:25:07
public service, and then
00:25:10
people who were familiar with the mood in the
00:25:12
Kremlin said that Vladimir Putin did not agreed with
00:25:15
none of these proposals that
00:25:18
Medinsky brought to him, and Medinsky was very
00:25:21
surprised because he understood that he was
00:25:23
used as a tool, that is, Putin
00:25:26
tried to use these negotiations
00:25:28
as a tool to
00:25:30
convince the West not to help
00:25:33
Ukraine, and the whole problem is with Boris Johnson,
00:25:36
who came to Kyiv then you know, for the
00:25:38
first time it was ruled out because the very
00:25:42
arrival of Johnson meant that at least
00:25:44
Great Britain was not going to
00:25:46
refuse
00:25:48
Putin's help, and
00:25:50
the hell because he understood how the
00:25:53
situation would develop from the point of view of
00:25:54
military and technical potential, before the
00:25:56
very beginning of the negotiations, it had
00:25:59
nothing to do with the Great
00:26:04
it's not true, again, it's not true because
00:26:08
we didn't want to accept these conditions, it
00:26:10
can be discussed separately, we wanted to or didn't
00:26:12
want to, how did Bucha influence it, etc. The
00:26:15
question is that the Russians didn't want to
00:26:18
accept these conditions, Putin wasn't going to
00:26:20
accept them, and now it's being played that he
00:26:22
was so constructive. I always say
00:26:24
that we are always focusing
00:26:28
thanks to Russian propaganda on what we
00:26:31
have done or not done,
00:26:36
Ukraine has refused the terms of peace with
00:26:40
Russia, and now the president of Ukraine does not
00:26:44
want negotiations with the president of the Russian
00:26:46
Federation, even in our country they are legally
00:26:48
prohibited by the president's decision Ukraine's
00:26:51
negotiations with Putin It's true and it's probably
00:26:54
true and you can find out What about the
00:26:57
Russian side, what about the side that
00:26:59
is the aggressor in this war, what about the side
00:27:03
whose troops are in our
00:27:05
territories, which Russia itself considers to be
00:27:07
Russian territories, we are not in the
00:27:10
Bryansk or Belgorod regions these are the
00:27:12
Russians in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia,
00:27:16
Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea. And that this
00:27:19
side did not perceive any
00:27:22
possibility of agreements in 2022
00:27:25
as realistic, and it does not fail to
00:27:28
hold negotiations now, and they
00:27:30
say all the time that no Ukrainian state
00:27:33
exists, that this is a fictitious thing, that this
00:27:36
mythology that the Ukrainian leadership
00:27:39
is under the influence of Washington. They
00:27:41
repeat all this all the time that it is
00:27:43
necessary to talk not with Ukraine, but with the
00:27:46
United States, and they are not ready to
00:27:49
talk with the United
00:27:50
States, I will tell you more, they will also
00:27:53
talk with the United States if they
00:27:54
decide to to talk to someone That's all, you
00:27:57
always have to look not at Kyiv,
00:28:00
in Kyiv they can make some moves
00:28:03
that we can consider wrong,
00:28:06
mistakes can be made in Kyiv It's
00:28:10
obvious, but what does it matter If
00:28:13
no one pays attention to it in
00:28:16
Moscow, you understand, you can have complaints
00:28:19
there to the professional level of the Ukrainian
00:28:22
leaders to their competence, all
00:28:24
this would matter if someone paid attention to them,
00:28:28
for Vladimir Putin they are not the leaders of a
00:28:30
sovereign state for
00:28:33
him Volodymyr Zelenskyy is just an
00:28:37
ordinary secretary of the regional Communist Party and this is not
00:28:40
only
00:28:41
Putin's idea This is how Russia perceived all of
00:28:44
this time I think I told you how
00:28:45
I was at the CIS summit in Kisheniv, it was
00:28:50
the 90s when
00:28:56
Boris Yeltsin first decided that he would
00:28:59
pursue a policy of multi-speed
00:29:01
integration, i.e. give Belarus, which
00:29:03
went to create a union state with
00:29:05
Russia, more opportunities than other
00:29:09
former Soviet republics
00:29:10
to sell energy carriers at domestic
00:29:13
prices, but then the CIS was not at all what it is
00:29:16
now, you know, there sat next to Boris
00:29:19
Yeltsin members of the Politburo, the former
00:29:21
Central Committee of the CPSU, people who know themselves, as they
00:29:23
say, they found it not in a garbage dump and
00:29:28
set up an obstruction in it Nursultan
00:29:30
Nazarbayev Islam
00:29:33
Karimov Petro
00:29:35
Luchynskyi everything these are former members of the
00:29:37
Politburo of the CPSU, Leonid Kuchma, and Yeltsin, from
00:29:41
their point of view, was not even a member of the
00:29:43
Politburo, who is this, who is
00:29:45
this, in general, a person did not even
00:29:46
reach the level of a member of the Politburo, what to talk to her, this is how
00:29:49
they perceived him, and he
00:29:51
perceived them differently. And Yeltsin after
00:29:53
that of this discussion, they
00:29:56
tell him Boris Mykolaevich why this
00:29:58
Lukashenka at such prices. And we
00:30:00
differ in other ways, why do we not have
00:30:02
normal cooperation in the CIS, why do you
00:30:04
allow yourself a scandal?
00:30:10
conference
00:30:13
he turns to me he
00:30:14
tells me Vitaly you can imagine they
00:30:17
shouted at me Who are they What kind of
00:30:20
people are they for him they were just the
00:30:24
first secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Union
00:30:26
Republic
00:30:27
and he was the tsar and general secretary
00:30:30
he believed that their task was to sit quietly
00:30:32
and to listen to him, no
00:30:35
sovereign states have arisen for him, just as
00:30:37
they have not arisen for any citizen of the
00:30:39
Russian Federation until now and until this
00:30:42
moment, until we understand that for
00:30:44
Russians we are ordinary
00:30:47
separatists And that anything can be done with us
00:30:49
because we tore off a piece of the
00:30:52
Russian body from a large country that
00:30:56
needs to be restored, we will not
00:30:57
understand their
00:31:01
logic. I also want to ask Vitaly, if we
00:31:05
can talk about the theories of various
00:31:07
developments, let's say the end of
00:31:09
the war, you painted it, yes. If the war
00:31:12
ends now, yes, what can we have
00:31:15
in a situation when Trump wins? how
00:31:18
can events develop for Ukraine,
00:31:21
what can we count on, what can we do in
00:31:23
general, yes, for ourselves during
00:31:26
this period, and because we have already discussed
00:31:29
what Trump says, the question is what
00:31:31
he will do. He said that he is
00:31:32
satisfied with Putin, the situation in Ukraine
00:31:33
terrible, he will immediately come and solve all this,
00:31:35
and in a situation when
00:31:38
Trump wins, how can we, as Ukraine, continue to act
00:31:42
until this time, I say what we can do
00:31:45
and whether we can count on the support of
00:31:48
our partners in the West, Great Britain,
00:31:50
yes, yes, to some extent, yes, yes, she will be able to
00:31:53
replace the otaku great support from the
00:31:55
United States. And by this time, we will still
00:31:58
have time to
00:31:59
start this
00:32:00
process of our own production of weapons to a certain extent.
00:32:13
we heard there a reading script,
00:32:15
what was published in the bill, Estonia
00:32:17
very clearly declares Kalasa that a
00:32:19
high risk is possible in 35 years, Yes,
00:32:21
that Russia will attack NATO countries and
00:32:26
so on, what can we count on in a
00:32:28
situation when Trump wins Well,
00:32:30
first of all there is very little time left to help Trump,
00:32:32
so there are only a few
00:32:34
months left, by and large, it will be 10
00:32:36
months if he wins again. Yes,
00:32:38
in a situation where there is a
00:32:39
second victory, I think that the most important thing until
00:32:43
November is to at least achieve
00:32:45
the status quo,
00:32:47
that is, to prevent the breakthrough of Russian
00:32:49
troops
00:32:50
on the territory of Ukraine, the occupation of new
00:32:53
Ukrainian
00:32:55
regions, this is the
00:32:57
strategic defense that
00:33:00
General Zhenko spoke about recently,
00:33:01
General Syrskyi is speaking about
00:33:18
wrong steps on the part of the state, on the part of the
00:33:20
authorities, this Trust can decrease very
00:33:23
quickly, the more we have to remember that the
00:33:26
term of the President's powers expires in
00:33:28
a few months, the constitutional one and we really
00:33:31
need to create conditions under
00:33:34
which this will not affect the
00:33:37
effectiveness of the legitimacy of the authorities together.
00:33:39
This means that the government should pay
00:33:42
attention to the society when we talk
00:33:44
about the government of national harmony and our
00:33:46
allies say this not because we somehow
00:33:47
want to make fun of Volodymyr Zelensky, but
00:33:50
because we objectively look at these
00:33:51
destructive processes that can begin, this is
00:33:54
also a reality, the second moment, the third
00:33:55
moment,
00:33:58
we need to think about our own
00:33:59
military-industrial complex in
00:34:00
any case, because the conflict with
00:34:02
Russia is a long-term conflict, even
00:34:04
if it ends with some kind of
00:34:06
pause, some kind of truce this year or
00:34:08
next.
00:34:14
there are 65 or 100 billion
00:34:17
dollars in weapons, they can't help,
00:34:20
that's true, but again, this is a
00:34:22
relative question from the point of view of the real
00:34:25
possibilities of such help, not
00:34:27
a declaration, then I want us to understand a
00:34:29
simple thing, so that we can look at
00:34:34
Europe as it looked during the
00:34:39
Trump presidency it was not the Europe we
00:34:42
know now, there were European
00:34:45
leaders who were in confrontation with Trump,
00:34:50
there were European leaders who
00:34:53
tried to find a common language with him, it
00:34:56
was very
00:34:58
difficult for them, do you remember all the maneuvers of Emmanuel Macron,
00:35:01
Mangela Merkel's maneuvers, there were
00:35:05
leaders Who were his so-called to
00:35:07
say
00:35:10
that the Polish
00:35:14
right-wing Orban
00:35:19
fitz is Trump's Europe, one must understand that
00:35:24
Trump's victory in one way or another
00:35:27
strengthens the positions of such people and such
00:35:30
political forces because American
00:35:32
processes affect
00:35:36
Europe. So we will have an understanding of
00:35:40
that, and let's say that Macron will also have an
00:35:43
understanding of that that in 2025, the
00:35:46
positions of the same Marine
00:35:49
Lippen of this camp will strengthen. They
00:35:52
will be
00:35:53
aware of all this. Then they will look for
00:35:56
some common positions with the United
00:35:58
States and Trump's United States
00:36:02
that will not lead to some kind of
00:36:05
sharp confrontation, so you would be a
00:36:07
European leader, the President of France
00:36:09
and the
00:36:11
President Poland or the federal
00:36:14
chancellor of Germany, and you would have
00:36:16
the task of preserving
00:36:18
American-European unity and, together
00:36:21
with this, the task of supporting Ukraine in its
00:36:24
confrontation with Russia, well, you probably
00:36:27
solved this task so that you would not
00:36:30
quarrel with the United States,
00:36:33
the truth is that this is an important point that we talk about
00:36:36
all the time we forget when the Europeans now
00:36:39
say We will
00:36:42
support you no matter what the mood and
00:36:45
intentions of the United States are, they
00:36:47
say that until this second until the
00:36:50
new Secretary of State of
00:36:52
the United States or the new Assistant to the
00:36:55
President for National Security Affairs came to them and
00:36:58
said and we see it so and so yes. And
00:37:01
if you see it differently. If you are ready to
00:37:04
act as you did during Biden's time,
00:37:06
you are doing it yourself. We are not involved in this.
00:37:08
We will not
00:37:11
maintain such and such relations with you there.
00:37:17
stabilization of the situation in the
00:37:19
NATO member countries, we would rather leave
00:37:21
NATO than you We will protect you, they may not even
00:37:24
say so, they may say you know
00:37:26
that the Russian Federation
00:37:28
will carry out some aggressive actions against you
00:37:32
as a result of your reckless policy
00:37:34
Sorry, we will not interfere in this Not
00:37:37
because we
00:37:38
warned you that your policy can
00:37:41
lead to this. We don't want you to be
00:37:43
attacked, we warned you. Trump
00:37:45
can solve everything, but you prevent him from
00:37:47
solving and get into this mess yourself, and
00:37:50
without us, the Americans will not
00:37:53
risk the lives of their soldiers for
00:37:55
your stupidity.
00:37:57
The more you know to say this is for the
00:37:59
prime minister of Estonia or the
00:38:02
prime minister of Latvia to
00:38:04
spit twice because Trump does not even know where
00:38:06
Estonia and Latvia are located, believe
00:38:08
me, this is reality and you
00:38:12
will have to live with this reality, if I'm honest I'll
00:38:15
tell you my
00:38:17
opinion, it's not will be
00:38:19
popular. We needed to come to
00:38:22
some kind of solution to the situation by November 2024,
00:38:26
in any case, precisely because
00:38:29
Vladimir Putin will do everything possible
00:38:32
not to come to any solution until
00:38:34
November 2024, because he is waiting for
00:38:36
him to explain to Trump that this is
00:38:40
his will he share this territory with him, this is
00:38:43
just a piece of the map for you, Donald,
00:38:46
if you need it or do you want it at the
00:38:51
expense of this piece in the peace of
00:38:52
the Europeans, and a piece of the map for me, then
00:38:56
one more important point that we
00:38:58
forget all the time And what will the
00:39:01
destructive processes in
00:39:04
Ukraine itself look like as a result of Trump's victory. And we do
00:39:08
n't remember how many people in our
00:39:11
political elite were oriented towards
00:39:15
Trump completely contrary to our
00:39:18
state interests from various political
00:39:21
camps. And we don't remember how Rudolph Giuliani came here to
00:39:25
Kyiv
00:39:27
to the new administration
00:39:30
and talked with We
00:39:32
don't remember the top leadership of Ukraine.
00:39:34
And how they used this
00:39:37
conversation later. I wanted to forget it and for it to
00:39:40
be forgotten in the future. And this is not something you
00:39:43
can forget about. But this is the future
00:39:46
if Trump wins. This past will come to
00:39:48
you in the form of the future. You can
00:39:51
forget it. to remember it now is history And
00:39:55
it was a tragic moment for us, do you
00:39:57
remember when the president of Ukraine arrived
00:39:59
in the United
00:40:00
States for the first time It seems so and the whole point of
00:40:04
this visit was that the White House
00:40:06
took And printed his conversation with
00:40:08
Donald
00:40:10
Trump, what a diplomatic disaster it was,
00:40:13
but this history history
00:40:18
page of political biography of Donald
00:40:21
Trump pages of political biography of
00:40:23
Volodymyr Zelenskyi who try
00:40:25
not to mention
00:40:27
but simply Imagine that Trump is back in
00:40:31
his cabinet again and in
00:40:35
order to solve certain problems he
00:40:38
needs to put pressure on Russia, he has
00:40:40
no special opportunities to put pressure on Ukraine
00:40:44
as much as you want with the help of various
00:40:46
tools, some
00:40:49
scoundrels will appear again, some people
00:40:51
in high offices will appear again,
00:40:54
some people in
00:40:57
political forces of various
00:40:59
kinds will appear again, we must remember that since it
00:41:03
will not happen now, it will be very
00:41:06
difficult, because it is not necessary to perceive those
00:41:09
people if they
00:41:12
will win the elections, this is Trump's team,
00:41:15
which will be very different from this
00:41:17
team that was before. Like
00:41:21
such naive figures who simply do not
00:41:24
understand how to fulfill
00:41:26
their whims. They have tools, they
00:41:28
have opportunities, they have the
00:41:32
first state in the world. Trump led and will
00:41:35
lead if will win as the first state in the world,
00:41:38
and we are in a state where
00:41:42
we are completely dependent on this state and
00:41:46
on its solidarity with Europe, this is a
00:41:49
reality, and this is also a
00:41:52
reality.
00:41:58
I don't set any problems,
00:42:01
you know. Let's decide something by November 2024,
00:42:05
because it would be strange
00:42:07
if I said yes.
00:42:21
simply because later it may
00:42:24
happen that we will never have
00:42:26
such an opportunity historically during the
00:42:28
next term of Donald Trump, if
00:42:30
it will be that's all. Well, this year is not what
00:42:34
they say summer, it's already clear to everyone, everyone
00:42:36
repeats it And this year is extremely
00:42:38
important to make the right such
00:42:41
fateful and wise decisions. I am talking
00:42:44
about Ukraine within Ukraine. I
00:42:46
hope, I believe. Well, I simply have
00:42:48
no other choice. Yes, these decisions
00:42:51
will still be made in Ukraine,
00:42:54
they will be wise, they will be quick
00:42:56
and they will be beneficial to the benefit of
00:42:59
Ukraine because there are already so many
00:43:02
tips Yes Ukraine has already been given so
00:43:04
much understanding about the situation from
00:43:07
real diplomacy from experts Well
00:43:10
everyone already has this understanding, all that remains
00:43:13
is to make the right decisions and have
00:43:15
several options on the table in order to
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quickly when the moment comes yes to
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use this decision, so that he
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is still involved, do not miss these
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moments, this is the most important thing, I believe in it,
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Vitaly. Thank you very much, you know that I really
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like talking to you, and I will once again advise the
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viewers of the live YouTube channel to
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watch the YouTube channel of Vitaliy
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Portnikova. that everything there is very fast,
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everything is very efficient and everything is very clear,
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thank you
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[music]
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[applause]
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to you

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