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Гость выпуска "Наука. А поговорить" — Александр Марков — российский биолог, палеонтолог, популяризатор науки
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Есть ли у животных культура?
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"Феномен 100-й обезьяны": возможно ли коллективное сознание?
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Главная сила человечества — язык
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Характерная особенность эволюции человека
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Как культура повлияла на развитие мозга человека?
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Формы социального обучения
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Есть ли у животных игрушки?
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Эволюция основана на конкуренции
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Почему животные помогают друг другу?
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О близкородственных скрещиваниях
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О влиянии родственных связей
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Есть ли у животных дружба?
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Примеры альтруизма у животных
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Есть ли у животных политика?
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О гендерном неравенстве
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Есть ли у животных ревность?
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Есть ли у животных романтика?
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Развито ли у животных чувство справедливости?
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Есть ли у животных культура похорон, геноцид и ксенофобия?
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Существует ли "ген гомосексуальности"?
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О культурной эволюции
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О религии и жертвоприношениях
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Отрицательный отбор: что ждет человечество в будущем?
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Alexander Markov paleontologist Doctor of
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Biological Sciences professor leading
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researcher at the Paleontological
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Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences
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head of the department of biological
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evolution of the Faculty of Biology
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[music]
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Moscow State University culture in
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animals they have their own theater
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music some kind of books I don’t know
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what you mean when you say
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culture in animals Well, they
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don’t have a theater of music, books, of course, but it must be said
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that there are no books or a theater. And very many
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human nations did not have one there until
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recently, but by
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culture, well, at least biologists
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simply understand a
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set of behavioral characteristics
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that are transmitted by learning from
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one Oso to another, that is, it’s not that
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everyone invents some kind of behavior,
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we learn it, but someone else learns
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something, let’s say, crack
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nuts, some chimpanzee knows how to crack
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nuts, others look at him and learn
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roughly speaking And their children then learn from
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them, and so on and so forth And long ago, in
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general, animals began to be observed
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precisely in this aspect Or is this
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still a young field of science? This is a rather young
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field in general, until the middle of the 20th
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century, it was generally accepted that there is no
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culture in animals No, but that culture
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is a unique property of a person, but
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then several
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such bright discoveries followed that showed everyone that
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no, look, animals have it too. It’s
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quite something that can be called
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culture. Tod had three such high-profile
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discoveries, the first story was with English
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tits who learned to open
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milk bottles this is somewhere in the
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twenties for the first time
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to observe
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bottles of milk and a tit on the porch of your buyer.
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Maybe some one at first
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learned to open the lids from cardboard
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or from foil, these are the lids to drink
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there, the cream on top is not even milk. Here are
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other tits, obviously this they saw and
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began to copy began to learn from each
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other and this skill spread before the
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eyes of
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observers all over England and
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spread to Ireland and even seemed to be a
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little on the mainland and the second discovery is
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also a well-known story about Japanese
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poppies feeding them and giving them sweet potatoes
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here the sweet potatoes are dirty Well, the
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monkeys ate as is, so with the dirt
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there the sand crunches on the teeth Well, what can
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you do, one young female In general, an
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almost one and a half year old cub discovered that you
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can wash this dirty sweet potato in the water
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And after that it’s more pleasant to eat and she
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began to repeat it Began
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wash an adult At first they ignored this
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this children's foolishness some children
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also began to copy but very
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inactively But gradually over the
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years the skill spread those
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some adults took over from the children those
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who refused to persistently wash the yam in
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the end they grew old lost
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their authority there died And the children who
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washed they grew up And after that this
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skill became generally accepted and the third thing is
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the dialects of songbirds, but it was noticed
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that songbirds of the same species
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in different areas sing slightly differently
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and it turned out that this is not written in the genes That
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is, if you take a chick Well
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throw an egg from one area to
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parents from another area, then
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when this chick grows up, it will sing
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like its adoptive father sang and not like they
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sing in his homeland. Well, after
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these three discoveries, they began to specifically
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study
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this phenomenon, watching whales looking for
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monkeys and chimpanzees all over Africa,
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filming all their behavior, looking for new
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cultural traditions. Why is this so
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important, that is, what is it, what does it
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tell you as a biologist,
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what do you want? This is our special feature
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that we are very interested in knowing. That’s why
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we are so unique and special.
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What is our uniqueness? Well, indeed,
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our species has achieved unprecedented success;
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it has spread throughout the planet;
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the amount of biomass has reached an unprecedented level
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for mammals of our
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size. Well, I would like to know what
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ensured this success of ours. Many
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Toms experts still believe
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that the unique feature of our species
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is high intelligence What does it mean,
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the ability to find the right solution
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to a new
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situation for which there is no ready-made
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solution previously learned? An animal has a
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completely new situation and needs to understand
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how to get out of it, how to solve this
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problem, and this must be done not at
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random, not by trial and error, because
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by trial Animals also make mistakes.
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We are even
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invertebrates, even almost
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single-celled. This does not count as
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intelligence. But just look at the
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problem to think and understand and solve. But in
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fact, if intelligence is defined this way,
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then in general, upon closer examination,
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it may turn out that we are not so much
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superior to animals in terms of such
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intelligence, our strength seems to be not in this, but
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in
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what is in this very
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very unique ability
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to accumulate cultural wealth, the experience of
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generations, everything that we know, everything that makes us
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strong, we didn’t come up with it ourselves, we
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have accumulated it, we learned it, this is very clearly
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visible on various hunter-gatherers
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who often have very complex
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sophisticated
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technologies where everything seems to be very
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well thought out and designed, let’s
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say an Eskimo house, a snow needle there,
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these are snow blocks that are cut with a
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special knife, this knife must be
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made there from special bones, cut
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correctly, these blocks fold them correctly
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make the correct entrance in the form of a
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tunnel so that the heat does not escape, everything seems to be
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perfectly thought out and
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designed if you ask an
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Eskimo. Please tell me why
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you are making this trident for hunting a
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polar bear. Why is your middle
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tooth necessarily made from such and such a bone? and
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two side teeth and on the other a softer
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bone. This is why
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hunter-gatherers usually
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answer all such questions in approximately the same way. They say this is how it is with
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us, this is
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our custom. My
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fathers and grandfathers taught me this, he cannot answer
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why it’s just a custom, but it’s very
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wise custom it was created by blind
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cultural
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evolution a process that, in principle,
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can go on even if no one understands anything at all
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then
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[music]
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there is someone like this harpoon and people copy
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each other’s behavior and copy from
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successful ones. Old people who were able to
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live to an advanced age means they
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somehow lived correctly, and
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Joseph Henrik gives an example there. In his book, the
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wonderful secret of our
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success is that he lived among the Mapuche or
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Araucan Indians in central Chile. There is such a
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people. They eat mainly corn,
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and this, in principle, is not very good for
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health, eating only corn. because
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it lacks some vitamins and he
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noticed that these Indians
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add ash from the stove to this corn porridge,
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and Henrik, the anthropologist, naturally
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asked, tell me why you poured
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ash from the stove into the corn, he
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naturally answered him, that’s how it is with us.
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we cook like this and then scientists
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found out that it turns out that there is a lack of a
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certain vitamin in corn,
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without which a
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person develops a disease called pelagra, a
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terrible disease described in vivid colors
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in the books of Solzhenitsyn Shalamov, this is
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what prisoners in
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Stalin’s camps suffered from, in particular, and also
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suffered from it many peoples who,
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due to some circumstances, were
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forced to eat only corn. And
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if you add alkali, for example, ash from the
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stove to the corn during the
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cooking process, then this missing
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vitamin is produced there; it appears there
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and then everything will be fine; pelagra,
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of course, the Indians have no idea about
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They don’t know this. It’s just that blind
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cultural evolution gave it to them, that is,
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someone One day noticed that
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a piece of coal fell on me or that I ate it and suddenly
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my pain disappeared Or how is it that most
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likely it
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was just an accidental change in
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behavior Here they are ate this corn,
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some family added
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dried spiders to it, some
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coca leaves, some hallu from the stove, and those who
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had it were healthier. Yes, and the family
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that added zala from the oven, they were
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healthier, they achieved great success,
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lived more years and the people copied
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everything from this family, copied not
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only how they cook porridge, but copied
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how they
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blow their nose. Nobody knows in the World Cup, in
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fact, there is
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[music]
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a trick to solve the problem. We have three
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options, and the animals can also sit and
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solve this is
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the intelligence of mistakes. It happened by chance
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and I found out that this happens. And thirdly - This is
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an observation and like a person has
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surpassed everyone in this. Yes, this is exactly where people are
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similar and all people copy
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better than all other animals,
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perhaps. This is where it
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goes somewhere. edge Well, and most importantly,
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of course, we have a super powerful tool
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for social learning that
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allows us to transmit the experience of generations
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with almost absolute accuracy, something that
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other animals certainly do not have. This is our
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human language, this is the gift of speech,
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this is of course a powerful force that
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allows cultural evolution to reach a
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fundamentally new level Tae level, the quality of
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transmission of information about behavior
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is not available to any animals. Well, wait,
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they also make sounds. But these sounds
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carry much less accurate information.
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There are these famous vervet
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monkeys who have a Scream, which
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means Eagle. So you have to hide
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somewhere down there. There is a Scream that means
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snake. we need to climb a tree, not language,
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these are four fixed words, but
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human language allows us to
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generate absolutely
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any statements, that is, to convey Well, if not
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absolutely any, then almost any Meaning that
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we want to convey, and this ensures a
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much higher accuracy of
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copying these valuable elements of
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behavior in fact, there were even such
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experiments carried out by scientists, chains
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of teachers of students, the chain began
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with an archaeologist who was good at
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making stone tools, primitive
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stone tools, which our ancestors did
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there 2 million years ago, and a student looked at him
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and studied, then this student
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acted as a teacher for the next
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student and so on, well, there are
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such games and they are spoiled
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Yeah,
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and there were different ways of social
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learning, the very first, the most
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primitive student just looked at the
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results of the teacher’s work, that’s a
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bummer from production. Look and do the
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second student. The student just looks, the
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teacher doesn’t pay attention to him.
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third option
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the teacher pays attention to the student
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looks at him shows something like this with
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glances and gestures Can show him
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that this is an important moment, here you need to
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hit like this and finally the fourth
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option the teacher is allowed to use
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words say look here here the
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striking platform must be here so at a
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slight angle so hit very hard That’s
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where we looked at how
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quickly the skill degrades in this
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chain of students and teachers. Well, it
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turned out that in
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general, the more perfect the teaching method,
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the slower it degrades. But in
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fact, it degraded very quickly almost
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immediately to zero there after one or two
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students there was nothing left of the skill
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at all in all cases except
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the last one,
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when you can use words here after
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all this skill lasted for some time
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Well, this somehow
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explains why primitive man
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somehow developed this language
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has learned to communicate in addition to gestures and
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screams. And in animals, this doesn’t happen to anyone,
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even those who sing songs
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or somehow
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growl. Well, this is a very serious scientific
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question
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of our own, apparently, science now about the
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origin of man and how since I
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tried to understand with the help of any computer
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modeling What was the reason
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What exactly did the ancestors of our
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species, one of the species of monkeys, have
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such conditions that this process
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started, that’s what gives the key: a characteristic
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feature of human evolution is an
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incredibly rapid increase in
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brain volume in a short time Here in our
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ancestors, over 2 million years, the volume of the brain
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increased threefold in Troy. In terms of
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mass by volume, from about 400 g to
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about 1.00, no other
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mammals’ brains ever grew so quickly;
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in principle, the brain grows little by little in
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mammals in general and especially
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among primates there is this tendency, but it is
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much much slower. But it was precisely among the
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ancestors of our species in the genus Homa that
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something began 2 million years ago that the
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brain began to grow tremblingly much
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faster,
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and the brain is a very large brain - this is an expensive
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thing, very very inconvenient, very
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expensive, it has a lot of negative
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side effects. Well, firstly, it’s
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just to be in working
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condition, even if they don’t work
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now, they don’t shoot out their
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potentials and actions, he still eats
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a lot of calories constantly, but in
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evolutionary In terms of this, this is a big big
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drawback if you need to eat this
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much, and your competitor only needs this
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much, then this is a very big disadvantage for you,
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you will lose, all other things being
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equal, evolutionary
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competition, which means more food later, and it’s
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just an inconveniently heavy head to
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carry around, you’ll fly Yes, the
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load is a load on the spine But
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the most
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important thing is that it is difficult to give birth to more heads
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of babies, especially Bipedal primates
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who need a narrow pelvis to
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walk normally, that is, women could not have a
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wider pelvis because then they
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would move very poorly and this means they
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had to give birth at earlier
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stages of development of the child, that is with an
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underdeveloped brain, which means that the
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baby is born absolutely nothing,
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absolutely helpless, and this
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sharply increases the burden on the parents
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in the first years of the child’s life, and this
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child must not only be fed and do everything for him,
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but still the baby chimpanzee
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is born much more developed he's already
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there holding on to the fur, he's already
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figuring out something, he's about like a one-year-old
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baby, calf-calf, right away on his feet,
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and yet a human being, Yes, he was born right
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next to the ungulates and immediately got up and went,
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and a human needs to be fed for another year,
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changed diapers, pumped Yes until he finally goes,
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this is just a terrible blow to Darwinian
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fitness. This is terribly unprofitable,
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which means everything. This should have been offset by
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some colossal advantage
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that the enlargement of the brain provided. What kind of
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advantage could this be?
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Gradually, more and more scientists are inclined
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to think that it was most likely there
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it was in the culture that
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our ancestors at some point had some
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kind of cultural behavioral traditions that were
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very, very important for survival but
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very, very complex, which our ancestors
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Well, early Australopithecus Khoma learned from
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each other, but in order to
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learn it normally they needed very good
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brains, they needed to have good
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abilities to learn,
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maybe even to understand what and
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how to do some very complex
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skills. Well, chimpanzees have a very difficult
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skill for them to crack nuts,
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especially when the tradition is such that a
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stone is needed an anvil there or or Well, there the
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root can be as an anvil the
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nut itself and the right stone as a
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hammer and you need to hold the
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anvil with your foot so that the nut does not wobble with
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your hand with the other hand to beat the stone to
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prick a
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monkey’s brains this is generally an extremely
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difficult task, the cubs learn from
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adults for several years it takes training,
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and not everyone copes, some still ca
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n’t, so they live without nuts all their
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lives, this is the type of skill that
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could
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trigger the process of accelerated
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brain growth, but chimpanzees don’t do it Because they,
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in general, are fine without nuts,
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but ours Povi's ancestors, such a
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situation arose that they began to develop
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some incredibly important,
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necessary and very, very complex skills, and
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here selection for improved
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abilities for social learning could begin, maybe
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from the primary some primitive
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communication systems began to develop Well,
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some
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more advanced methods of communication,
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some rudiments of a proto-language. Do you
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think it was originally an eternal
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sport? That is, we first had a big
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brain and that’s why we began to get smarter, or we have a
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big brain because we were
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so intellectually smart, unlike
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others animals, well, it’s not clear why,
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it’s not even like a chicken from an egg, it’s the brain
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and culture of each other little by little
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moving forward, that is, at first there was
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this Basis, the monkey is already quite good,
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some kind of primitive culture, some
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already quite good abilities for social
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learning, but lead our ancestors found themselves in a
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New environment in a New niche in the savannah where they had to
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behave differently from the forest
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and such cultural traditions appeared there.
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Well, for example, the production of
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primitive stone tools that were
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absolutely necessary there for survival in the
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savannah, but learning how to make them and
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use them was very -very, very
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difficult and only those groups of
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Australopithecus or early
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Homa survived whose members were smart enough to
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learn this art well from each other and preserve this
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skill in a series of generations and the brain became more
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powerful, this leads to the fact that the
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culture develops, the culture becomes
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richer more valuable culture
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more valuable even stronger selection for a
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good ability to quickly master this
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culture and for some time
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such
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autocatalysis can work When the brain develops
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culture culture develops the brain and they
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like each other like Ron Hausen
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tore himself to the shining heights by the hair cheat
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of civilization about training I wanted to
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ask again This is the same as different training
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When my mother or father taught me something they
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showed me specifically This is how it is done
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and when I looked and taught and repeated
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This is different Do animals have what
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their mothers or father really have do parents
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teach or is it only
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human
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up to the very advanced? Here is
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purposeful teaching when one
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individual specifically does something to
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teach another something. This is considered
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one of the highest, most complex,
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rarest, most effective forms of
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social
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learning, very characteristic of people. We
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we love to teach everyone to teach to teach Yes,
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don’t feed us bread Let someone
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teach us to give
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advice
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Here in other animals this is also
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found in birds and
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mammals Some birds quite
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purposefully teach the old elder
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males Young males are taught to
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sing correctly Male zebra
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finches An
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experienced one sits next to a young male a
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young male chirps something,
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tries to imitate it, but apparently it
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turns out badly because the
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older male is so strict with his club
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that you sing
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to listen to. It
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hurts, for example, meerkats teach their cubs
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wonderful social
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African animals, for example, they teach
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cubs hunt scorpions, adult
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meerkats catches a scorpion, bites off its
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sting and this one is already neutralized by the
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scorpion, gives the cub
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to train. This is, of course,
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teaching and they make some kind of toys
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in one population, it was noticed that
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only in one Children play with sticks as
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if this is well, they babysit them like dolls
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as if this there are their babies or
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something, female young chimpanzee girls
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play with sticks in this way much more
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often than boys, but it’s true that boys
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sometimes play too and they always
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stop doing this when they have
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real children, and so they carry them around,
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babysit them, even put them to
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bed, even they can make a nest they
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sleep in disposable nests in trees they
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can make a nest for this stick and
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put it there to sleep Do I
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understand correctly that just like in business, competition is the
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engine of progress, and in evolution,
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competition is, in principle, the main
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engine too Yes, evolution is, in principle,
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based on competition
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between different genetic variants
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for dominance in one loko Well, in short,
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there is always competition at the core. I
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watched the lectures of Robert Sapolsky, an
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American scientist, and he says
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something like that:
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American biologists usually
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consider the evolution of humans
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or animals from the point of view of competition,
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struggle, exactly. whoever is cooler will
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survive, and Soviet biologists, and he says,
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always consider evolution from the point of
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view of climate, to survive on the ground, but here’s
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how you think If we talk about culture,
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we still Really So, we’ve
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been fighting the climate all the time, and here
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we are you need to eat this somehow to survive in
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the cold Oh, this is an interesting complex
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evolutionary question
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Well, in principle, there is only one evolutionary mechanism;
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it is
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always
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competition
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between in the population Who will leave more
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offspring
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But if the conditions are very difficult, harsh, then
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your success depends primarily on
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how you can cope with these conditions. That
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is, if you live in a very cold
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climate, then the main thing for you is to be able to
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endure the cold and somehow survive in this cold,
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so that your hair is long,
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so that your houses are warm, and so on.
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If you live in a flat, fertile
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land, then the population size there will
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immediately be greater than the
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population density, and there what
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will come to the fore is not how you are adapted to
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natural conditions, but how you
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directly compete head-on with your neighbors, and
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in that other case, for biological
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evolution, it is important who leaves more
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offspring for Who is better to spread
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their Genes
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Why do animals help each other? This
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also contradicts natural selection in
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many situations in the
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world itself because
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only genes compete mercilessly with each other
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at the level of individuals and at the level of
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some groups of these individuals. And this is
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already there does not have to be
00:26:14
competition, that is, at the level of the individual, it
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very often turns out that genes in their
00:26:20
competition benefit from individuals
00:26:22
not competing with each other, but let’s
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take the following metaphor: the Gene
00:26:30
is interested in passing on as
00:26:32
many copies of itself as possible to the next
00:26:34
generations, in fact the Gene not interested in anything,
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but it’s just that those Genes that
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do this remain, and those that
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transmit fewer copies of their copies, they disappear
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and Therefore, such an illusion arises as
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if the Gene has a goal to reproduce, and
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at the level of genes, evolution is always
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directed only
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towards the spread of these
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genetic options, it’s as if
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selfishly The gene behaves Like an egoist And
00:27:00
at the level of the individual, everything may not be
00:27:04
so selfish. It may be beneficial for the Gene
00:27:07
to have the organism in which it sits
00:27:09
behave like an altruist Every time Well, the
00:27:12
parents protect the mother protects the baby,
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it depends again how the balance of pros and
00:27:20
cons will develop for this particular
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species, some birds don’t even think about
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protecting the nest with chicks approaching,
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the parent has since flown to the White
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Sea loon’s nest, the parents
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fly away, eat our chicks Do
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what you want, they save their
00:27:41
lives and the nest of the Arctic Tern Try
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to come she is a small bird, but with a
00:27:47
piercing scream she will rush
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at your forehead and it’s downright scary, she squeals,
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attacks from above at you, dives right into your
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eyes, this is
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for a small bird to rush at a
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big
00:28:00
beast, this is how many of course
00:28:03
parents behave, protecting their Genes in their
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[music]
00:28:09
offspring A gene is a multiple object, an
00:28:12
organism - it is understandably a single object,
00:28:15
and in many situations it is beneficial for this Gene, as a
00:28:18
multiple object, to
00:28:20
sacrifice one of its copies that
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sits in this organism in order to help its
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other copies that sit in
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other organisms, and so related altruism arises
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like- then the famous outstanding geneticist of the
00:28:36
first half of the 20th century, John
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Haldane, spoke on this subject in the
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following way: I would give my life for
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two brothers or for eight
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cousins; this is an accurate calculation of the degree of
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genetic relationship that reflects the
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likelihood that the Gene that
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I have is in another person if
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it your brother, then the probability is
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1/2 and accordingly If you have
00:29:05
a certain Gene
00:29:07
that encourages you to sacrifice yourself
00:29:11
to save a certain number of
00:29:13
brothers from
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death, then if this number is more than
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two, then this Gene will win, it will
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spread
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automatically, a
00:29:26
classic example this is a
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social
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insect swimming ants bumblebees wasps
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social in which in a group in a
00:29:38
colony only reproduces Well, initially
00:29:42
only one
00:29:43
female is the
00:29:45
queen And all the other working individuals are
00:29:49
also females but they do not
00:29:56
reproduce the family For the sake of
00:29:59
reproduction of the queen who is
00:30:02
their mother they will
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protect their mother she will lay eggs,
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they will take care of the sisters, and
00:30:13
among them there is altu vsch Well, those who do not
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work can be this. As
00:30:21
the queen explains, she is simply the oldest wasp in the
00:30:25
group in the clan, respectively, if she
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dies, then the queen’s place will be taken by the next
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most senior
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wasp, and so on then, accordingly, in each
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family, the situation turns out that the
00:30:39
Wasp who is the second in seniority is
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still a Worker, but she has a very good
00:30:44
chance of becoming a queen. She will be
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a netter, she will not work, she
00:30:49
will take care of herself, because what is the
00:30:52
point of me being in public work? If
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I I can soon become an old woman and then I’ll
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spread my genes well and
00:31:00
she’s the last in line. Well, more precisely, from the
00:31:03
point of view of genes, if they could
00:31:05
think like this, we’re sitting in the youngest
00:31:08
Wasp, there are practically no chances that she’ll live to see the throne,
00:31:12
so
00:31:14
the best we can to do for
00:31:15
your own distribution is to
00:31:18
work properly here for society, you
00:31:22
just told about the human monarchy,
00:31:24
so in human monarchies there are
00:31:28
usually big problems with reproduction.
00:31:31
There were and are, once the royal
00:31:34
families, all these families, they have terrible breeding,
00:31:38
they degenerate like the Spanish ones. And in
00:31:40
animals By the way, this doesn’t happen. With
00:31:42
these royal bees, for example, yes,
00:31:44
God forbid, but no. For them, closely related
00:31:48
marriage is not so scary. That’s why it’s like this for
00:31:52
us. And in general, it’s
00:31:55
usually not very scary, that is, for
00:31:59
one particular family of these
00:32:00
Spanish Habsburgs, it could be It’s
00:32:02
scary, but for the population it’s No, well,
00:32:05
just pluck out the bad mutations
00:32:16
and discard and everything will be okay, but in
00:32:19
mammals Well, in the sense that they are animals
00:32:21
somehow, they
00:32:24
don’t care at all, many have
00:32:28
some kind of behavioral adaptations to minimize the
00:32:31
chances of inbreeding
00:32:34
because, in principle the offspring, as
00:32:37
a rule, are
00:32:38
healthier, that is, your Genes will be better
00:32:41
settled
00:32:43
if the mating is not closely related in
00:32:46
chimpanzees, females move on to adolescent females,
00:32:50
and when, before the onset of
00:32:53
puberty, females from their native group
00:32:55
where they were born leave and settle into
00:32:57
other groups and males remain in their
00:33:00
group and Patrick’s system It’s just like in
00:33:04
Muslim families. Yes, many
00:33:08
human societies also
00:33:10
accept Patrick. Although there are a variety of
00:33:13
other marriage traditions, it happens that,
00:33:16
on the contrary, the
00:33:17
groom goes into the house, but this is precisely
00:33:20
genetic or It’s still a
00:33:22
behavioral history in animals that
00:33:24
when they understood, yeah So they have
00:33:27
offspring if it’s relatives So
00:33:29
we’ll go to others, that’s what
00:33:31
chimpanzees have, soared fecal chimpanzees
00:33:33
are written in genes or is it a cultural
00:33:35
universal that can be traced
00:33:38
in all chimpanzee populations. But we don’t
00:33:41
know yet, we can’t distinguish a cultural
00:33:45
universal
00:33:46
from the behavior written into the Genes Yeah, I would To be
00:33:50
honest, I would assume that this is
00:33:52
still culture, that these girls
00:33:56
watch how people behave, how other
00:33:59
girls behave, and although God knows,
00:34:04
maybe 80 percent of the
00:34:07
behavior is innate, they get sick of
00:34:11
seeing these annoying faces every day and they
00:34:14
go looking for some new life
00:34:17
about this skill of giving your life there
00:34:19
for your relative. With us people more
00:34:22
often you are much closer to your
00:34:25
friends and relatives, sometimes we
00:34:29
somehow lost this skill to
00:34:30
pass on Genes, this is all,
00:34:33
save your mouth what you said We are often
00:34:37
closer with friends than with relatives -
00:34:39
this is a characteristic outline of all
00:34:41
human societies; traditional
00:34:43
human societies; family
00:34:45
ties play a huge role; in
00:34:48
fact, the entire structure of society
00:34:50
is built on these clan
00:34:52
relationships;
00:34:53
all this
00:34:55
collapsed only in a very small
00:35:00
group of people who were very different from everyone else. the rest of the
00:35:02
societies that
00:35:04
call this came up with
00:35:07
an abbreviation for them, this is an English word
00:35:09
that means strange, some kind of
00:35:11
idiot, not like anyone else, and
00:35:13
this word is made up of the first letters of
00:35:16
the words, it means Western educated
00:35:20
industrial rich
00:35:22
democratic. In these societies
00:35:24
that come from Western Europe, this is
00:35:28
the Empire of Charles The Great
00:35:30
Approximately
00:35:31
there,
00:35:34
due to a certain sequence of
00:35:37
accidents, connected there with the early
00:35:40
actions of the Catholic Church, that they
00:35:42
prohibited such marriages, they
00:35:46
fought for their own church affairs,
00:35:48
but at the same time they accidentally laid the foundation for the
00:35:50
process of eliminating these clan
00:35:53
institutions of Western European
00:35:56
Catholic ones Christian societies and
00:35:58
it turned out to be a completely atomistic society
00:36:00
with completely destroyed institutions
00:36:03
of kinship, families of clans of these clans. This
00:36:06
gave a certain advantage there,
00:36:08
along with a number of other properties. But this is a
00:36:10
characteristic property of precisely these
00:36:12
Western societies,
00:36:15
but Russia is not quite W we do not have all
00:36:19
the signs of these societies there is, for example, a
00:36:23
typical feature for their culture is a very
00:36:27
high level of trust in
00:36:29
strangers. But they needed this
00:36:31
to develop normal trade with
00:36:34
people from another
00:36:36
city. Trust
00:36:38
reputation; by default they are inclined to
00:36:41
trust
00:36:43
a stranger; Russian
00:36:45
people are inclined; well, you yourself know how to
00:36:48
treat strangers that,
00:36:51
of course, He wants to screw me, he
00:36:53
wants to,
00:36:55
here the culture retains the state
00:36:58
that is characteristic of all other
00:37:00
societies except this distrust of
00:37:02
strangers, this of strangers, this is quite
00:37:04
normal. Well, translating into our language,
00:37:06
roughly speaking, an American immediately
00:37:08
smiles at you And we are always like this here
00:37:09
we look But then, when we
00:37:12
find ourselves at a common table, we are friends with
00:37:14
Dona Vozha And this is already ours, we have already
00:37:17
included a person in our circle, so I
00:37:21
want to say that, in short, returning to
00:37:24
your question, in most
00:37:25
normal human societies it is
00:37:27
family ties that come first
00:37:30
but when this system of social
00:37:33
institutions based on kinship was
00:37:35
destroyed in the countries of Urdu, then a
00:37:39
situation arose that friends,
00:37:41
business partners
00:37:43
there, golf friends there, I don’t know,
00:37:48
becomes more important than some
00:37:50
great uncle or
00:37:53
nephew, do they have animals? friendship, and
00:37:58
of course there are such wonderful
00:38:00
bats that suck
00:38:02
blood from different mammals, different types of
00:38:05
these vampires there. Well, in horses. This is what
00:38:08
was studied, in my opinion, the species that Sol
00:38:10
blood is predominantly in horses, and
00:38:12
since the mouse is small, this needs to be
00:38:14
done every night. Here you find every
00:38:16
night a horse If you are a little
00:38:20
bat, it’s difficult for Natya, that
00:38:24
’s why
00:38:25
very vampire bats return
00:38:28
to their native Hollow during the day hungry and then it
00:38:33
turns out that they really need friends without
00:38:36
friends, they have their own relationships there,
00:38:40
these are female colonies, males
00:38:42
hang out there somewhere in other places, the females
00:38:46
live together and they feed each other.
00:38:48
That is, if this
00:38:51
bat has eaten enough tonight and its friend
00:38:54
remains hungry, then the hungry one will
00:38:58
beg from the well-fed one, and then the mouse, having eaten,
00:39:04
regurgitates a certain amount of blood and
00:39:06
feeds it directly from its mouth a
00:39:09
friend is hungry and
00:39:11
this is based on reciprocity, next
00:39:14
time this friend will remain hungry, she will
00:39:18
definitely feed her. I just
00:39:20
heard something that they cheated
00:39:23
mice like this or something, and that they
00:39:27
take one, they inflate this bag for her and she
00:39:29
comes back as if she had a full
00:39:30
bag of this blood and like she sits and doesn’t
00:39:34
feed the children, there is nothing to feed and then
00:39:36
next time they will stop Feeding her
00:39:38
children, that is, I remember this, this is an
00:39:40
excellent experiment
00:39:42
Yes, it is proven that what They are watching Well,
00:39:48
tit for tat Yes, you fed mine I
00:39:50
tomorrow I’ll feed you your
00:39:53
relatives. Why don’t their relatives behave like a
00:39:56
pig? It’s immoral, that there are some
00:39:59
moral standards. This is the origin of
00:40:01
moral standards in society. If you
00:40:04
’re drunk. You have to share with your
00:40:07
comrades, otherwise you’re a bad bat.
00:40:10
This is a bad Vampire
00:40:13
and you shouldn’t Let's help next time
00:40:16
examples of altruism in animals, there are a
00:40:20
lot of them, let
00:40:25
's talk about
00:40:27
meat after a successful hunt, almost
00:40:29
always here are other things. Maybe you won't be
00:40:32
able to ask them for some kind of fruit. They are
00:40:36
generally quite greedy. But if we are talking
00:40:39
about hunting, if they killed some
00:40:41
piglet or a small monkey There
00:40:44
kolob they almost always share the meat with
00:40:47
others Although it would seem that the strongest
00:40:50
can take everything, it’s
00:40:55
slaughtered
00:40:56
Well, they share just like that, they come up and
00:40:59
speak in Or they take it And they no no
00:41:02
I beg for gestures that is, if you don’t ask, you won’t
00:41:07
get But if you ask I’ll beg for the meat of a successful
00:41:11
hunter. There’s some kind of gesture
00:41:14
he’ll give you, it’s like he’s
00:41:18
elevating him into a friend. Why does he do this? He
00:41:21
apparently gains a reputation from this,
00:41:25
and not only that on naked strength, everything
00:41:28
rests on fear and what this authority gives him
00:41:30
after that, well, it reduces the likelihood
00:41:35
that he will be beaten, they will agree there if he is an
00:41:38
Alpha male, that the other two males are
00:41:41
talking about
00:41:43
overthrowing him, well, in general, this is a value
00:41:48
in close
00:41:54
cohesion, this is a resource, this is capital if
00:41:58
everyone treats you badly. This is your business
00:42:01
very bad. If you are social animals,
00:42:03
you will they will beat you, they will take away your
00:42:05
bananas, you will be driven out, they will not be allowed
00:42:10
to breed animals that are forced
00:42:13
to live together in the same territory nearby,
00:42:15
they must adapt to each other one way or another,
00:42:17
if they
00:42:18
chew each other’s boat all the time, it is
00:42:21
not profitable for all of them to show
00:42:24
aggression - it is always a stick about two
00:42:25
ends It would seem that if in general, if everyone
00:42:29
competes with everyone who is better to spread
00:42:32
their Genes, then why isn’t everyone
00:42:34
constantly at each other’s throats? Well, Kill
00:42:36
your competitor is the most reliable way, simply
00:42:39
because
00:42:40
this business is very expensive and risky,
00:42:44
you can get back if you fight
00:42:47
for everyone rush this and that, and everyone
00:42:49
will rush at you, maybe bite one or two
00:42:51
competitors and then I’ll bite you to hell,
00:42:53
so in fact, it’s
00:42:57
beneficial, on the contrary, to be friends, to cooperate,
00:43:00
to negotiate,
00:43:02
and let’s say, biologists working, say, with
00:43:06
mice, have been using this for a long time If you
00:43:07
want to study some the relationship
00:43:09
between mice is the same
00:43:13
altruism, then the mice must
00:43:16
first make friends with each other if you take
00:43:18
two unfamiliar mice from two different
00:43:21
summers they will be different from each other Alt, they will be
00:43:25
familiar to each other but Take these two mice
00:43:29
put them together so that they live in the
00:43:31
same cage 5 weeks is enough
00:43:34
after 5 weeks they are already very
00:43:36
familiar to each other, they are not indifferent to each other and
00:43:38
they will show altruism to each other,
00:43:41
recently an
00:43:42
excellent article was published that
00:43:44
studied the so-called
00:43:47
comfort they lived together for 5 weeks,
00:43:50
which means these two mice Well, two males or
00:43:52
two females are the same dealings with couples, these
00:43:56
friends, they already treat each other
00:43:58
with care, which means putting one away and
00:44:02
either subjecting one to stress, for example, throwing a
00:44:04
float into the water for 5 minutes, or not
00:44:07
subjecting them to it. Just sit quietly for 5
00:44:09
minutes and then return them here to the friend’s
00:44:12
home cage, and if the partner
00:44:15
has experienced stress during time of separation, then this one
00:44:20
who stayed at home begins to console him, lick him,
00:44:26
sort through his fur,
00:44:28
calm him down, and they proved that
00:44:31
it really helps, that is, a stressed
00:44:35
partner, his
00:44:38
stress is smoothed out, and like that, just the
00:44:41
two of them in a cage, they will always begin to be friends.
00:44:42
Maybe this is not a rat of my
00:44:45
energy at all you know, yes Well,
00:44:48
of course there are all sorts of pathologies
00:44:49
with exceptions, but normally if two mice
00:44:52
or two anyone are placed in
00:44:56
some limited common space,
00:44:59
then
00:45:00
they Well, as a rule, they will make friends Well, no, well,
00:45:05
it’s clear that there are highly competitive
00:45:07
situations there, like on
00:45:09
Pitcairn Island Yes this is a famous story: a
00:45:14
group of sailors, some bandits,
00:45:18
some sea tramps, were landed on an uninhabited
00:45:21
island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, the island of TN and there were
00:45:27
dozens of women there, it was somehow connected with a
00:45:29
mutiny on the ship, there was a riot there,
00:45:32
something and everyone forgot about them, no one
00:45:34
knew that this was happening to them there,
00:45:37
quite a few decades passed and this
00:45:40
island was settled by a European ship and the
00:45:44
sailors were amazed to see such a thing there.
00:45:49
So there was only one adult man left on the island, an
00:45:52
old
00:45:54
respected man,
00:45:57
all the women were his
00:46:00
wives, he had there are a lot of grandchildren there,
00:46:02
great-grandchildren, because in the early stages of
00:46:06
life on this island, the men there
00:46:10
just started killing each other, that
00:46:12
is, it wasn’t there, it wasn’t established
00:46:15
as a law. Yes, what should we do, but it
00:46:17
just happened that way, they quarreled, they
00:46:20
proved who was in charge, they found out
00:46:23
some everyday problems But one way or
00:46:25
another it ended with the fact that until there was only
00:46:27
one last one left, they didn’t calm down, they didn’t
00:46:30
calm down Yes, I want to talk to you,
00:46:32
it means about the cultural
00:46:35
behavioral characteristics of animals,
00:46:37
are they the same as people? So,
00:46:40
first of all, do they have animals politics
00:46:44
intrigues power here is the struggle for
00:46:47
power Monkeys have Yes, there is a theory That it was for the
00:46:52
sake of some kind of political
00:46:54
intrigues that intelligence developed in the first place,
00:46:56
there is such a theory of Macchio
00:46:59
Wellian intelligence Well, indeed,
00:47:04
monkeys have very complex relationships in
00:47:08
groups and they
00:47:15
were really intriguing more friends more
00:47:17
support worsen the reputation of their
00:47:20
rivals they cannot,
00:47:23
unfortunately or fortunately, say in words to
00:47:25
their relatives any nasty things
00:47:27
about their competitor their competitor, but
00:47:30
they can express emotions to their friends
00:47:35
Yeah, well, here I am, for example, that
00:47:38
female is very bad, disgusting I need
00:47:40
to beat her This is what I can do with emotions, gestures,
00:47:43
facial expressions, sounds chimpanzees
00:47:46
can convey this to each other,
00:47:49
some kind of coalitions are often formed We are
00:47:52
friends against someone against someone, the
00:47:56
same Robert
00:47:59
Sapolsky wrote notes of a primate, it’s
00:48:03
absolutely remarkable how he lived among
00:48:05
baboons and traditional African
00:48:07
peoples there are many cases described there How
00:48:11
baboons intrigue, make friends with someone,
00:48:14
how someone is striving for power,
00:48:17
he himself cannot cope with the alpha
00:48:19
male The alpha male is stronger, but he
00:48:21
is trying to make friends, unite soro with
00:48:26
some not the most important male,
00:48:29
playing on some kind of his
00:48:32
feelings and if this succeeds, it turns out to be a
00:48:35
close-knit team of two or three
00:48:38
[music]
00:48:44
low-rammer for this, of course, you need
00:48:47
good social intelligence you need to be able to
00:48:49
build relationships you need to calculate the
00:48:52
reactions of soro Kato svo dest researchers
00:48:56
think or thought that it might be possible to
00:48:59
solve such tasks Our
00:49:01
ancestors' brains grew, but baboons' brains don't
00:49:03
grow about this. What made
00:49:07
this Malevsky intelligence especially useful
00:49:09
for our
00:49:12
ancestors? This is one question. By the way, we can
00:49:14
say
00:49:15
that a change in the family structure and a reduction in the
00:49:19
role of aggression of brute physical force
00:49:23
in the struggle for status Well, this is a famous
00:49:26
American anthropologist who has
00:49:28
a theory that our ancestors at some point
00:49:30
switched to monogamy, one male, one
00:49:32
female, and this reorganization of
00:49:37
the family was the beginning from
00:49:40
which the monkey began to become a
00:49:42
human, this means an increase in sharp
00:49:44
paternal care for offspring, a sharp
00:49:47
decrease in competition between males in a
00:49:49
group for females Well, they don’t have to
00:49:51
compete if everyone has their
00:49:53
own one wife, just like you don’t
00:49:56
have to compete for males, each
00:49:58
has a husband, these husbands bring food to the females
00:50:02
so that they can calmly devote you to
00:50:05
caring for the offspring, so all this
00:50:09
needs to work to reduce the
00:50:11
aggressiveness of males, in
00:50:15
this, according to Lovejoy,
00:50:18
sexual selection was involved. That is, it was unprofitable for the females themselves
00:50:20
to get involved with
00:50:23
aggressive drones, they needed faith.
00:50:28
Well, of course, of course. Our love for bad
00:50:30
boys, this is the sun, here again such an
00:50:33
ambivalent attitude is beneficial, on the one
00:50:37
hand, to be a faithful, reliable
00:50:40
breadwinner,
00:50:42
and it’s better to mix your genes, maybe
00:50:45
with this same thing, with a
00:50:50
bully at the time, you
00:50:54
have to have intelligence so that your husband doesn’t leave
00:50:58
and so that this macho guy pays attention to you
00:51:03
and so that no one
00:51:05
suspects anything. Why is it evolutionary in
00:51:08
people? Well, in any case, this
00:51:11
gender inequality is distributed like this: a
00:51:15
woman does not fight and sits at home and gives birth,
00:51:19
but a man
00:51:21
does this in our modern culture, a
00:51:24
culture that again comes from
00:51:26
these countries,
00:51:27
and it is customary to say that about complete
00:51:30
equality of the sexes. What about men and women?
00:51:33
In general, they are no different from each other,
00:51:35
and if they differ a little, then this is
00:51:37
simply the cultural
00:51:39
heritage of the evil patriarchal
00:51:43
world where oppressing women, on the one
00:51:47
hand, this is a certain ideal to which one can
00:51:51
strive, culture, education, training
00:51:54
- this is a terrible force,
00:51:55
in principle, one can really build
00:51:57
such a culture where men and women
00:51:59
will be no different, especially if
00:52:02
women are freed from reproductive
00:52:04
functions so that children are raised in
00:52:06
some kind of artificial womb there
00:52:08
will be a cool society, but historically
00:52:10
our ancestors in mammals did not have such a society
00:52:13
in general, so we
00:52:15
belong to this class of animals where
00:52:17
this gender inequality is inherent
00:52:19
initially in a very large
00:52:21
fatty volume, simply because,
00:52:24
firstly, pregnancy and then e and
00:52:27
nutrition, in general, this is such a
00:52:29
gender
00:52:31
inequality, it is hardwired into our biology,
00:52:34
you can’t escape it; birds have
00:52:36
much more gender equality
00:52:38
because the female laid an egg and can
00:52:39
continue to hatch this egg freely with
00:52:42
equal success, both she and the Male can very
00:52:46
often be the
00:52:48
male
00:52:54
mind agriculture In general, this oppression of
00:52:58
women is of course a cultural thing, it’s
00:53:00
not hardwired into the genes, it’s just the way it is in
00:53:02
culture, hunter-
00:53:04
gatherers are much less oppressed
00:53:05
women than some farmers,
00:53:08
peasants, cattle breeders there, it began with the
00:53:10
fact that at some point they began to plow the
00:53:14
land with a plow and the women
00:53:18
fundamentally did not have enough strength for this, only
00:53:20
a man could Plow and then it went, it means
00:53:23
that this is a man in the owner’s house When
00:53:25
digging the earth with a digging tool, women were
00:53:28
on par, and the fact that in humans, women have
00:53:31
hidden ovulation, this
00:53:34
made a big revolution, a revolution in evolution.
00:53:38
Well, because in all other
00:53:39
animals these are signs there Ma, how
00:53:42
everything turns red Well, that is, it’s visible Yes, the
00:53:45
same oh
00:53:48
mentioned also writes about this feature,
00:53:50
which also developed in our ancestors in
00:53:52
combination with reduced
00:53:56
breasts, what else do
00:53:59
women always have with enlarged breasts? In short, hidden
00:54:03
ovulation,
00:54:04
but it seems to be so that the female, ready
00:54:08
for mating, does not increase her height and does not create
00:54:12
a stir among the males.
00:54:14
And so that everything is for her to compete, our
00:54:18
ancestors developed a
00:54:20
type of society that is absolutely unique for primates, in one group there are
00:54:23
several monogamous families. There are primates that are
00:54:26
monogamous, but they live separately,
00:54:29
each couple lives separately and is
00:54:31
not friends with other couples, but
00:54:32
our ancestors have such a
00:54:34
unique social organization,
00:54:37
several monogamous families have developed in
00:54:40
one group
00:54:41
and it is unprofitable for a female to demonstrate to the entire
00:54:46
area her readiness to mate,
00:54:49
to attract other people’s husbands, that’s
00:54:52
all
00:54:54
and,
00:54:56
accordingly, females who did this
00:54:59
were less attractive
00:55:01
to those males who wanted to find a
00:55:04
faithful wife. A male needs a faithful wife
00:55:07
because otherwise he
00:55:10
risks wasting all his resources and all his
00:55:13
life to feed other people's children This is
00:55:16
for his genes, other people's genes Yes, death, I
00:55:18
thought that this is so evolutionary, a woman,
00:55:21
protect yourself and said, Now I will
00:55:24
choose
00:55:25
who to give birth to, and you tell me that it is
00:55:29
the other way around,
00:55:30
so as not to provoke males
00:55:33
idea, in order to choose better, she needs to
00:55:37
attract more of this, too, there are such
00:55:40
studies
00:55:42
that a normal human woman,
00:55:45
how does she increase the possibility of choice? She
00:55:48
tries to increase her sexual
00:55:50
attractiveness, then she has no more
00:55:51
offers from which she chooses
00:55:53
rather even
00:55:55
be such a moderate advertise
00:55:57
ovulation - this is the initial state A
00:56:00
this is the desperate, hypertrophied
00:56:03
advertising of ovulation in chimpanzees, it
00:56:05
looks like the female is ready to conceive,
00:56:08
she turns into such a traffic light, she
00:56:10
just glows for kilometers, this is already
00:56:13
specific, it may be an adaptation of
00:56:15
certain species of monkeys that have
00:56:18
such a social structure where it is
00:56:19
profitable, there are many males, many females high
00:56:22
groups where males compete,
00:56:26
compete for males, and the female is
00:56:28
interested in not having
00:56:31
more suitors; females
00:56:33
compete terribly with chimpanzees for mating with
00:56:36
males. Especially with those with
00:56:39
high-ranking, wealthy
00:56:41
males. Therefore, they
00:56:44
advertise themselves. With all their
00:56:49
might, animals have a
00:56:53
jealously
00:56:58
adaptive if the male, for example,
00:57:01
is not jealous and does not make sure that the
00:57:05
female mates with him. And if
00:57:08
he doesn’t care, then he will not pass on his
00:57:10
Genes. In some insects, this
00:57:12
takes on a very Generally, such a
00:57:14
grotesque funny character, the
00:57:17
male after mating,
00:57:23
sits on his back for days at a time. She
00:57:28
has to walk carry him everywhere with this male
00:57:30
and he doesn’t get off Yes,
00:57:34
because of this they move slower
00:57:37
and they have an increased chance that their bird
00:57:53
Sklyukhinskoe is having fun, and let’s say
00:57:56
diving beetles were a great idea,
00:57:59
after mating the male simply
00:58:01
seals the female with such a special
00:58:03
white sealing wax he does this once on a slap, it
00:58:09
clogs her genital opening, it
00:58:11
all freezes like Surgut and everything is
00:58:14
sealed, the female is sealed. What a nightmare they have in general, they have a
00:58:20
wonderful, complex relationship. They
00:58:22
mate in the water, they breathe air
00:58:24
during mating. The female cannot
00:58:27
breathe and therefore the females try to
00:58:30
escape and the male must hold her A And
00:58:34
they have a kind of even
00:58:35
antagonistic coevolution, an
00:58:37
evolutionary arms race between males and
00:58:39
females, the males have
00:58:42
swimmers such suckers, good suckers,
00:58:46
he sticks to the female and in order to
00:58:49
hold her, some females in response to
00:58:51
this become very
00:58:53
ribbed spruce
00:58:56
trees You are too ribbed, then you will
00:59:00
break into everyone males and you will die
00:59:02
a virgin, that’s why it’s important not to
00:59:03
overdo it, do animals have
00:59:07
romance? And what is romance? Well, these are
00:59:12
flowers. Well, we have beautiful words, dinner
00:59:16
by candlelight, something like that. Well, of course, it’s
00:59:19
something similar;
00:59:21
it exists in
00:59:25
this; sexual selection creates various
00:59:30
decorations usually in
00:59:34
males which help them attract
00:59:36
the attention of females. In the most typical
00:59:38
case, males are the more competitive sex and
00:59:42
females are the more selective sex because the
00:59:46
male reproductive resource is usually
00:59:50
in abundance in the simplest situation and the
00:59:52
female one is in short supply by definition, the
00:59:55
male is the one who produces small
00:59:58
numerous cheap ones there are
01:00:00
sperm that make millions and
01:00:02
billions The female has one egg Yes, the
01:00:05
female makes large expensive precious
01:00:08
eggs so the male is interested in
01:00:10
quotes interested
01:00:13
means to mate with as
01:00:15
many females as possible Therefore he needs to be seduced to
01:00:20
attract not to choose so
01:00:23
some animals themselves are ready to mate
01:00:25
with just
01:00:28
anything at all Well you can observe the
01:00:30
breeding season of all kinds of tailless amphibians,
01:00:33
there are toads, frogs, males of some species
01:00:35
are ready to mate with your shoe, just
01:00:37
if you step into a pond. Why do
01:00:40
our women wear makeup and attract and
01:00:42
sexually attract attention to themselves and
01:00:44
not men? That’s because what I
01:00:46
said this is a typical situation when
01:00:48
the male invests nothing in reproduction
01:00:50
except
01:00:53
sperm. We have a completely
01:00:55
atypical
01:00:57
situation among people; it is
01:01:02
atypical; the offspring are usually noticeably
01:01:06
larger; the males started running on
01:01:10
two legs to carry food; the females were fed
01:01:13
first, and now this
01:01:15
also remains in many
01:01:18
cultures; the institute marriage By the way, this is a
01:01:21
universal culture; there are almost no nations
01:01:24
that do not have the institution of marriage; this is a
01:01:27
culture, of course, it is not written in the genes,
01:01:29
but it is written so very powerfully in
01:01:31
the culture that one can
01:01:32
assume that this was almost always the case
01:01:35
in almost all
01:01:36
nations; a huge male contribution to the
01:01:39
offspring is made by the male a scarce
01:01:41
resource when the males only
01:01:47
mate with an excess resource and the female
01:01:50
can be
01:01:53
picky
01:01:55
with this I won’t with this you won’t sing me a
01:01:57
more beautiful song Yes, your tail is
01:02:01
somehow not fluffy enough Get out of here
01:02:04
and if the male invests in offspring already
01:02:07
Go to hell with your tails already poison for you
01:02:10
No, the females are already beginning to compete for
01:02:13
such a valuable resource as a good husband
01:02:16
who will invest more resources, you are
01:02:19
simply the results of natural
01:02:22
selection, they are
01:02:25
very similar to the results of
01:02:28
some natural economic processes,
01:02:29
natural selection tends to
01:02:33
maximize profits there,
01:02:36
definitely maximize the efficiency of the
01:02:38
spread of genes, and culture
01:02:41
strives also to some economically
01:02:44
optimal behavior options there, for example.
01:02:46
In
01:02:50
short, this is in our culture. But even if
01:02:52
we were brain-based creatures based on instincts,
01:02:55
it would be logical if we also behaved this way.
01:02:57
Outwardly, it would be very difficult to distinguish; in
01:03:00
fact, complex behavior is written in
01:03:02
genes and complex behavior prescribed in
01:03:04
culture, you said that this is romance, that’s why
01:03:06
males and animals decorate themselves so much, but
01:03:08
still something is a manifestation,
01:03:12
roughly speaking, of
01:03:13
gifts to give gifts are
01:03:19
used by animals, usually males, in
01:03:24
order to increase their chances of
01:03:27
copulation, this was observed in chimpanzee
01:03:31
Well, a male and a female They can just be
01:03:33
friends there, sit somewhere on a branch next to each other,
01:03:35
if a male falls into the hands of something
01:03:40
tasty, he
01:03:42
can try And after that,
01:03:46
mating Yes For some insects, this is quite
01:03:48
written into their instincts,
01:03:51
males have this behavior innately
01:03:54
the male, for example, of some
01:03:56
predatory insect catches some kind of
01:03:59
fly and with this fly already begins to make
01:04:02
advances towards the female, the female says [ __ ] you
01:04:06
and he puts the fly in her mouth, she tries to
01:04:09
start chewing there and in the meantime he
01:04:11
mates with her, but she tastes it to her doesn’t
01:04:16
pay attention, everything’s
01:04:23
fine,
01:04:32
not catching a fly, it’s still a hunt to
01:04:35
waste energy, but take a speck of dirt that comes across and
01:04:38
stick some rubbish in it if it
01:04:41
suits her, everything would be fine from the point of
01:04:44
view of the male, but the females must
01:04:53
evolve [music] brought to me or
01:04:54
some kind of glass Yes, sometimes
01:04:57
fraudulent gifts are distributed, let's
01:05:01
say
01:05:03
one spider, males usually carry gifts for females
01:05:07
but pack them in a
01:05:09
web, this packaging is very important,
01:05:11
this little white wrapper in itself is
01:05:14
very important, a good gift should be
01:05:16
well packaged, but it is also beneficial for the male
01:05:18
because it is still a female
01:05:21
he will have a little time to figure out what’s inside,
01:05:24
and if the gift is well packed in the
01:05:27
web, then even if there is
01:05:30
some kind of rubbish inside the web, it will still take the female
01:05:32
some time to figure it out if
01:05:35
she understands that they
01:05:37
brought her something inedible in the web
01:05:40
she will of course drive this male away and he will
01:05:42
have less time to transfer his
01:05:44
sperm to her. In general, everything is complicated,
01:05:46
so the males who bring good
01:05:48
gifts, expensive
01:05:50
and tasty, they lose in the sense that they
01:05:54
spend resources on getting this
01:05:55
gift, but they win in the sense that
01:05:58
they have time to transfer more sperm,
01:06:01
just wanted ask
01:06:03
whether animals
01:06:04
deceive only in love games or
01:06:07
are there other types of cooperation
01:06:10
to deceive purely politically Well, if we don’t
01:06:12
talk about such
01:06:14
instinctive acts of
01:06:18
deception, they don’t understand
01:06:21
exactly, insects don’t understand what they
01:06:23
do deception happens in monkeys, here in
01:06:27
primates, and there are even publications
01:06:30
that show that this is positively
01:06:32
correlated with the volume of the brain, there with the
01:06:34
volume of the cortex, that is, the smarter the monkey,
01:06:36
the more often it
01:06:38
seriously deceives.
01:06:41
And what it might look like, for example, well, in the
01:06:45
experiment,
01:06:47
the monkey is not the most important in the group in front of her
01:06:50
eyes they hide the ban somewhere, and
01:06:55
she knows where the
01:06:57
banana is, then they release a
01:07:01
high-ranking monkey here,
01:07:03
this experimental monkey will pretend
01:07:07
that she has no idea,
01:07:10
has never heard of any banana because she
01:07:11
knows that if she now gets it from Nick in the
01:07:13
eyes of this high-ranking person,
01:07:16
this banana will most likely be taken away from her,
01:07:19
so she pretends that she does
01:07:21
n’t know anything. Well, that is, she’s kind of
01:07:22
deceiving, and
01:07:25
animals have a developed sense of justice. Well, probably the most famous
01:07:28
experiment on the topic of a sense
01:07:32
of justice is with a capuchin cucumber and
01:07:36
grapes two
01:07:37
capuchins in cages next to each other
01:07:41
see everything that the other does, and
01:07:46
in exchange for pressing a button or for something
01:07:48
else they are given a
01:07:51
reward. For example, a
01:07:54
capuchin presses a button, they give him
01:07:57
grapes, and
01:08:00
the other capuchin who sees all this
01:08:04
suddenly begins to give for the same
01:08:06
work, the reward is a cucumber, which is much
01:08:09
less valuable from the point of view of the monkeys, and he
01:08:11
sees
01:08:12
that I press a button, here I try
01:08:15
to work. They give me a cucumber and this bastard is
01:08:18
given grapes. It’s almost
01:08:22
unfair,
01:08:25
he throws this cucumber at
01:08:29
the experimenter. yes, it demands
01:08:31
justice, do animals have
01:08:34
a culture of funerals, apparently there are no
01:08:37
such facts, after all, chimpanzees
01:08:42
treat their dead
01:08:45
relatives in most cases just
01:08:48
like garbage. Sometimes
01:08:52
Nena’s mother just can’t seem to admit it and
01:08:55
continues to drag him around. Well, like a mother for a
01:08:59
while, but then he still
01:09:01
gives up sooner or later. So, in my opinion, it’s not possible
01:09:11
to show this kind of special attitude towards the dead in animals so confidently yet, but
01:09:16
unfortunately chimpanzees
01:09:19
have plenty of genocide and xenophobia about this, although our other equally
01:09:22
close relatives Bano do
01:09:26
not have this, but chimpanzees do, well, they live
01:09:31
in groups of communities, each
01:09:33
community has its own
01:09:35
territory, as a rule,
01:09:37
chimpanzees from another community are
01:09:40
treated as strangers; they are not considered chimpanzees. That
01:09:43
is, this is normal legal
01:09:46
prey
01:09:48
If you stumbled upon for example, for a young one for a
01:09:51
cub from someone else’s group, then
01:09:54
just kill it, tear it into pieces and
01:09:55
eat it. This is normal behavior. He is not
01:09:58
ours at all, not a chimpanzee.
01:10:00
A stranger. So wars, directly organized
01:10:04
military raids take place. They know very well
01:10:08
where the border with another
01:10:10
clan is. The group usually gathers there alone.
01:10:13
males sometimes females also participate in these
01:10:17
military campaigns they patrol the borders
01:10:20
they penetrate into someone else's territory they will
01:10:23
meet a lone chimpanzee from another
01:10:25
group they
01:10:27
attack him and they attack chimpanzees
01:10:32
as a rule only with an overwhelming
01:10:34
numerical superiority as a rule the attack
01:10:37
occurs When the ratio of forces is 8 K code in
01:10:39
favor of the attackers if there are
01:10:43
more potential victims, then they can be careful
01:10:46
because no one wants to receive change.
01:10:49
But if they see a single female with the same price as a
01:10:53
single male, they attack, beat, bite and
01:10:58
sometimes kill completely to death in
01:11:00
some chimpanzee communities there
01:11:04
is none of this at all or almost none, and in
01:11:08
some there is the highest level of
01:11:10
murders Well the highest this is fast Like what
01:11:13
numbers is this? About 40 to 60 times
01:11:17
more than for people living in the same
01:11:21
areas, then a resident of Uganda
01:11:24
uto 100,000 per year and for chimpanzees 50 times
01:11:29
more you said that
01:11:32
this or that is remembered there from generation to generation
01:11:34
action And in principle, animals have memory,
01:11:37
this is how we imagine it in
01:11:38
human terms, it’s the same thing; they
01:11:41
really remember in the
01:11:43
face there in the muzzle of some kind of fellow animal,
01:11:47
all animals with a nervous system have
01:11:52
Memory, it is based, in general, on the
01:11:54
same basic principles Well, of course,
01:11:56
very primitive animals can
01:11:58
remember Only some very primitive
01:12:00
things But even they can
01:12:02
learn something, even the worm Raditi Egan,
01:12:07
who has a known
01:12:09
number of neurons, 200 or so
01:12:12
nerve cells This is his entire nervous
01:12:13
system, even he he can learn that
01:12:16
if there is a smell like that, there will be food there and you
01:12:20
crawl, you crawl there, he remembers it,
01:12:24
but it’s not like it’s just an instinct. No,
01:12:27
it’s just learning, instinct is a
01:12:29
kind of behavior that is directly
01:12:33
inscribed in the Genes. That is, it’s innate, he doesn’t
01:12:35
need to learn I understand correctly that a
01:12:37
person only has the sucking
01:12:40
instinct left to feed the baby
01:12:43
correctly Yes, a person has
01:12:45
only a few armed
01:12:47
reflexes left, but they are not
01:12:49
even called instincts because in the
01:12:51
strict sense Well, instinct is considered to be a certain
01:12:53
M, not just a single one
01:12:57
-that's a reaction uh-huh There's sucking or a
01:12:59
grasping reflex But some kind of complex
01:13:02
sequence of
01:13:04
actions is like some wasp
01:13:07
that paralyzes a spider finds the
01:13:09
right place with a sting, pricks it to
01:13:12
paralyze it several times Then drags it into a
01:13:14
pre-dug hole,
01:13:16
drags it there, lays an egg on it
01:13:18
Yes, all this is written in her genes; she was not
01:13:21
taught this
01:13:23
behavior by her mother; this is an instinct; the
01:13:27
grasping reflex in a newborn
01:13:29
is just a reflex. It is generally believed that
01:13:33
monkeys have instincts. No, without
01:13:36
training,
01:13:39
monkeys will not have normal behavior at all.
01:13:41
Wait, but sexual desire -
01:13:44
this is what But even
01:13:47
without proper communication with
01:13:52
relatives
01:13:54
without spying on others without
01:13:57
normal involvement in social
01:13:58
life, that is, a monkey raised in
01:14:01
isolation will not know what
01:14:03
sexual desire is, will not know what to
01:14:05
do about it, will not be able to reproduce, will not be
01:14:08
able to come to an agreement there with her relatives
01:14:12
she may experience some kind of
01:14:14
inner something pulling her there and
01:14:17
some kind of vague melancholy, but she won’t understand
01:14:19
what to do about this and she won’t have children
01:14:25
now, it’s very interesting that is, a person
01:14:27
the same scheme Of course Yes, if you are
01:14:29
raised like Mowgli and are completely deprived of
01:14:32
communication with people from birth to
01:14:34
some kind of robot giving you a bottle of
01:14:39
milk, then you will not become a human being
01:14:41
at all, you will have no intelligence, no
01:14:43
language, no culture, nothing, you will just be nothing at
01:14:47
all what about
01:14:49
homosexual people, you’re telling me now
01:14:51
that it’s still culture
01:14:54
culture culture, that is, they’ve seen enough and that’s why they’re like that or
01:14:59
still, but partly Yes, to be
01:15:04
honest, partly it’s culture, of course,
01:15:07
but there’s also sexual desire in it, a lot of
01:15:11
biological of course, yeah and what you are
01:15:13
drawn to is
01:15:15
this can, of course, be influenced by
01:15:18
training, but well, within some limited
01:15:20
limits. But in principle, these are hormones
01:15:22
that act in the brain
01:15:24
during early brain development and, in short,
01:15:28
how And the vast majority of
01:15:31
signs of our psyche, psyche, and
01:15:34
behavior, our sexual behavior - this is
01:15:36
also partly Genes, partly culture,
01:15:40
and the long paw of the Gene reaches out to
01:15:44
traits that are surprisingly far from genes,
01:15:46
that is, Genes slightly influence even the
01:15:48
level of income of British families and the
01:15:51
level of education, but let’s say such a
01:15:55
trait as grades in final school
01:15:57
exams depends on genes There are
01:16:00
more English schoolchildren there than even from anything from the
01:16:05
environment, that is, from the culture of education. Well,
01:16:07
when I, by the way, did a graduation about genetics,
01:16:09
geneticists told me that they had not
01:16:11
found it yet. Genes for homosexuality do not
01:16:13
exist, firstly, there are several
01:16:15
candidates,
01:16:17
some indirect indications that in
01:16:20
X there are variations on the chromosome that occur
01:16:25
in
01:16:27
women, they increase reproductive success in
01:16:30
such a
01:16:31
woman, the expected number of children is
01:16:34
slightly larger, and if this Gene is in a
01:16:38
man, then it slightly increases the
01:16:40
likelihood of homosexual orientation.
01:16:43
But usually, a
01:16:46
person’s behavioral traits are very polygenic, that is, they are
01:16:48
influenced by tens of hundreds of genes, the contribution of each
01:16:52
Gene it may be very, very small, but
01:16:54
all together they can have quite a significant
01:16:56
influence on evolution and that
01:17:00
means memorization. And I just thought
01:17:03
that there is some kind of
01:17:04
May civilization or there is a Minoan
01:17:07
civilization, so I’m just completely
01:17:09
Recently I was in the Knossos palace in Greece
01:17:11
and they tell me that it’s been there for how long it’s been
01:17:13
there 3,000 years BC People have already
01:17:16
invented running water and washed and
01:17:20
did everything then the Minoan civilization
01:17:22
ends, the Greeks come and
01:17:24
we still don’t know running water It’s until
01:17:26
what X or there centuries BC
01:17:30
How is this possible Why it is not transmitted among people.
01:17:32
This is Memorizing some
01:17:34
already existing traditions, a feature of
01:17:37
human culture is that knowledge is accumulated,
01:17:38
our culture is cumulative,
01:17:40
cumulative, this is the reason for our
01:17:42
success, but knowledge can also be
01:17:46
lost, this happens all the time,
01:17:50
but the probability of knowledge depends on
01:17:55
such things as numbers population
01:17:56
population density That is, if
01:18:00
we say
01:18:03
a population suddenly sharply reduces its
01:18:06
numbers, a lot of knowledge may be lost;
01:18:08
the most
01:18:10
striking and beautiful example is - This is an example
01:18:13
from Tasmania, which means
01:18:15
Tasmania 10 years ago, 12,000 years ago,
01:18:19
was not an island, but was connected to the
01:18:23
mainland and there was the same The culture of the
01:18:26
local aborigines, as in general in the
01:18:30
south-east of Australia, is quite complex and
01:18:33
quite developed, that is, there was
01:18:35
some kind of clothing and all sorts of harpoons
01:18:39
for hunting, then 10,000 years ago the present day came
01:18:43
between the glaciers, the glaciers
01:18:45
melted in the Northern Hemisphere,
01:18:47
once again the sea level rose
01:18:49
Tasmania was cut off from Australia and
01:18:53
remained on this island in Tasmania, there is an
01:18:56
isolated population of small,
01:18:59
maybe 2-3 people of these same
01:19:01
bark aborigines, all this was originally
01:19:03
boomerang networks and so on, but there
01:19:06
were too few of them there to
01:19:09
preserve this culture and they began
01:19:13
gradually, century after century, millennium after
01:19:15
millennium, they forgot this one thing or the
01:19:18
other, and at the end of the conv, over the summer, they forgot
01:19:21
almost the entire culture and returned to a
01:19:25
very primitive state, they returned
01:19:29
to the level of the Early Paleolithic, like the
01:19:31
Pithecanthropes, and when the Europeans
01:19:34
sailed to Tasmania, they found
01:19:38
people there almost the most
01:19:40
primitive backward people on the entire planet, the
01:19:43
larger the population, the size of the population, the
01:19:46
higher its connectedness with others, the
01:19:47
frequency of contacts with other islands,
01:19:50
the more diverse and complex the culture.
01:19:53
What is it connected with like, well, the more people
01:19:54
someone will remember? And yes, it’s
01:19:57
simply connected with the number of brains that
01:20:00
serve as repositories for knowledge. The smaller
01:20:03
the population, the higher the likelihood that
01:20:04
some nuance, some knowledge will disappear
01:20:07
completely if
01:20:10
those people who remembered this and
01:20:13
this die. What is the difference between the cultural
01:20:15
wealth accumulated and what an
01:20:19
animal can think of to learn
01:20:21
during life who cannot invent from scratch
01:20:23
No kayak The most ingenious
01:20:26
genius when we come up with something new we
01:20:28
all stand on the shoulders of giants we
01:20:29
add only a little to the existing
01:20:32
cultural base when something is lost that’s why
01:20:35
some scientists think
01:20:37
that it’s not our intellect, but only
01:20:39
in our ability to learn and
01:20:40
accumulate cultural baggage, you know,
01:20:42
I often have such a fantasy. I
01:20:44
imagine if I find myself somewhere
01:20:46
alone on a desert island and I’m
01:20:50
afraid that I won’t be able to tell and
01:20:52
make a car a plane again, as if,
01:20:55
well, I I lived in this as even much
01:20:58
simpler things like making matches,
01:21:01
how to make matches so that we don’t know
01:21:04
why when Mexico was discovered there was no
01:21:07
wheel, everyone had already invented the wheel
01:21:10
and they somehow write without saying that they
01:21:13
had toys on wheels these
01:21:16
Central American peoples, that is, the
01:21:18
very idea of ​​​​the wheel was in principle
01:21:20
known to them, but they did not introduce it into widespread
01:21:24
use, that is,
01:21:26
they did not make any carts or carts of wheelbarrows. Why could it
01:21:29
be just a coincidence,
01:21:32
but that is, many factors must be combined here
01:21:35
simply by chance
01:21:39
no one tried to attach this wheel to
01:21:42
something like a stretcher
01:21:45
in order to carry some
01:21:47
high-ranking
01:21:49
figure not in their arms, but it just didn’t
01:21:53
happen,
01:21:54
but among the steppe inhabitants of the Black Sea-Caspian
01:22:00
steppe in some kind of Makhna Tom of
01:22:02
the millennium BC in bronze
01:22:04
century, someone made something like this and
01:22:09
they had carts on wheels, and
01:22:12
then when the horse was domesticated, this
01:22:15
combination turned out to be so
01:22:16
cool that they captured almost the entire
01:22:19
world of that time. But in
01:22:21
principle, why is culture in general in the
01:22:25
old world a little faster?
01:22:28
developed than in the new
01:22:31
world, this is a very interesting topic,
01:22:34
indeed America is structured this way,
01:22:37
that there are areas suitable for the development of
01:22:40
civilization,
01:22:43
they are so separated from each other, that
01:22:48
is, to get from this
01:22:50
Mexican highlands where there were
01:22:52
civilizations of all sorts and so on,
01:22:55
to get to the Incas, for example
01:22:57
Wanda I don't give a damn about getting through there The devil
01:23:00
will break his leg there, both the Jungle and the mountains and generally
01:23:03
eat him up 10 times, and Eurasia is structured
01:23:07
fundamentally otherwise, you can generally
01:23:10
move in a latitudinal direction.
01:23:12
Therefore, in principle, all the inventions
01:23:14
that were made there somewhere in the
01:23:16
Far East in China, they can not to be
01:23:18
right away, but there after a couple of centuries,
01:23:20
but they got to Spain and in the opposite
01:23:23
direction there was a cultural exchange, and the
01:23:27
total population
01:23:29
that was involved in this cultural process
01:23:31
was larger and this gives
01:23:34
faster cultural development for
01:23:36
cultural evolution, it
01:23:37
is important What ideas
01:23:41
What behavioral
01:23:43
signs will spread faster,
01:23:46
displacing their
01:23:48
competitors from memory from culture That
01:23:51
is, we had competition to learn, I
01:23:53
see Yeah, they’re doing better, which
01:23:56
for a biologist
01:23:58
But in general, envy is a good
01:24:02
feeling, and how would I look
01:24:06
at envious people differently? Maybe
01:24:07
they’re just want to become better when
01:24:10
you start modeling cultural
01:24:11
evolution, you see very well that without
01:24:15
intergroup competition in your
01:24:19
culture, socially useful knowledge
01:24:21
will not spread,
01:24:24
only selfish memes will spread,
01:24:26
this is such a piece of knowledge that does not
01:24:28
bring you any benefit, but it’s just
01:24:31
very good at spread and
01:24:32
therefore
01:24:33
spreads, for example
01:24:35
Well, for example, jokes This is a very
01:24:39
good example of memes that there is no
01:24:42
benefit from it, but if it is
01:24:45
sticky enough funny
01:24:46
memorable it is so that you want
01:24:48
to tell it to others such an anecdote
01:24:50
spreads very quickly through the
01:24:53
minds of people, which means human brains for them
01:24:56
- it’s like a breeding ground
01:24:59
in which they can reproduce, they
01:25:01
compete with each other, of course, different
01:25:03
versions of the same joke
01:25:05
compete and the funnier, more
01:25:08
memorable one will win, and so
01:25:10
on. But there are some memes.
01:25:12
Fashionable ideas that are simply frankly
01:25:16
harmful to a person. there we’ll say celibacy
01:25:20
Yes, in religion Yes, this is something like this It’s
01:25:22
just that you are killing your Darwinian
01:25:24
fitness, you won’t pass on
01:25:26
your genes at all, but cultural evolution can
01:25:30
create such things if it gives
01:25:33
something else there status and everyone is copying the
01:25:36
sects from the Kaptsov Yes that there
01:25:40
wasn’t even a suicide sect, they were
01:25:44
really usually
01:25:47
fast belly, a
01:25:51
cute tradition was observed in one
01:25:55
group of chimpanzees where one female suddenly
01:25:59
came up with the idea of ​​putting a blade of grass in her ear and
01:26:01
walking around with a blade of grass, and others began to
01:26:05
copy the beauty’s decoration like this
01:26:09
or Well, that’s what she’s doing with that, that’s exactly what It’s
01:26:12
either unclear or
01:26:14
unfortunately we can’t ask her.
01:26:15
Culture in animals is determined through
01:26:18
behavior, this is what we can observe,
01:26:20
we can’t get into her soul, we
01:26:21
can’t ask her why are you putting a
01:26:23
blade of grass in your ear, unfortunately, someone
01:26:27
else just does it too a wonderful example
01:26:29
recently discovered in chimpanzees, they also
01:26:32
noticed at first that in their territories
01:26:35
in the territories of these groups of the
01:26:37
chimpanzee community there are some strange trees,
01:26:39
all beaten up with broken bark and with a bunch of
01:26:42
stones thrown in, it was
01:26:47
customary to watch video cameras around such trees, it
01:26:50
turned out that these are such
01:26:52
special trees where chimpanzees
01:26:54
periodically come there in groups, or
01:26:57
sometimes one at a time, and even start
01:27:00
throwing a stone at a tree or knocking a
01:27:02
stone against a tree, and all this is done
01:27:06
with violent emotions, a long cry
01:27:09
that usually expresses such strong
01:27:13
positive emotions, with the hair on end, this is
01:27:17
also a sign of what it’s emotional
01:27:21
about sport Why do they do this?
01:27:24
We can’t ask them. They didn’t attract
01:27:26
females in this way. Like I
01:27:31
let go of a peacock’s tail. Yes, this is one of the hypotheses that this is a
01:27:35
male demonstration, but the fact is that
01:27:37
females sometimes also do this. Yes,
01:27:39
you know the right question? females are
01:27:41
also different, females are also different, and
01:27:44
once a female with a cub was listening right on top of her
01:27:48
hanging on her. Or maybe it’s like a
01:27:51
religion,
01:27:53
the authors of this article are hinting that it looks a
01:27:56
lot like some kind of
01:27:58
ritual, something like that. It looks like a
01:28:02
religious thing. actions based on formal
01:28:04
characteristics Yes, people also have all sorts of
01:28:07
sacred groves, sacred trees around
01:28:10
which they regularly perform certain
01:28:12
actions that do not bring any benefit, but
01:28:16
with enviable persistence, nevertheless, they
01:28:17
continue to perform them, based on these
01:28:21
characteristics, the ritual of skins about religion, no matter
01:28:24
what
01:28:27
the religion is, there is always this ritual of
01:28:30
some kind of
01:28:32
sacrifice, even there in Buddhism,
01:28:35
you still offer some flowers. Well, this is
01:28:37
also our culture. Why,
01:28:40
no matter when it arose, here we have this in our
01:28:42
culture, I can assume that
01:28:45
this behavior is based on very
01:28:48
ancient evolutionary ancient such
01:28:53
patterns that are associated with mutual
01:28:55
altruism You for me I for you that is, if you
01:28:57
want to appease some high-ranking
01:29:00
member of your group so that he will
01:29:02
stand up for you if something happens in the future Yes, you do
01:29:05
something for him,
01:29:07
share food with him or do something for
01:29:10
him Grooming Yes, the fur is moved,
01:29:14
thereby endearing him to himself among monkeys, in
01:29:17
principle, this is very
01:29:19
common mutual altruism, that
01:29:21
is,
01:29:22
if I helped you now, then if I
01:29:26
need help, then you will help me, that
01:29:29
means we are friends, that means if
01:29:31
I fight with someone - then you will come to my
01:29:33
aid in a fight, and if you don’t come
01:29:35
By the way, this is generally a betrayal.
01:29:37
Chimpanzees are terribly angry with their
01:29:39
friends who do not come to their aid,
01:29:42
and accordingly, if people have
01:29:46
ideas about some invisible powerful spirits of the
01:29:49
ancestors
01:29:50
of the patron, which is very good
01:29:53
the powerful can do something
01:29:55
very good, they can do something very
01:29:56
bad, then naturally they need to be
01:29:57
cajoled, do Grooming there,
01:30:01
kiss an idol there, or
01:30:03
bring some gifts in the hope
01:30:07
of receiving a gift. You and I talked a lot about the fact
01:30:10
that here we are learning from our ancestors and
01:30:12
we pass it on and it has always been valued, all
01:30:16
your knowledge, memory is very valued and
01:30:19
this mind But today,
01:30:25
people with absolutely no knowledge sometimes become popular and successful. That
01:30:28
is, just for the fact that you don’t know, it’s cool to
01:30:30
dance on TikTok, evolutionarily
01:30:34
this is where we are going - then it will lead to something completely
01:30:35
different, that your store of knowledge is not so valued,
01:30:41
these are very complex questions
01:30:44
that scientists are still just
01:30:46
starting to work on, we are talking about such a
01:30:48
sleepy evolutionary millet
01:30:52
VM there is both biological evolution and
01:30:54
cultural evolution and they influence each other
01:30:56
BC time and on the BC this
01:30:58
is also imposed by culture-directed
01:31:00
selection based on signs of success, for example,
01:31:03
as a rule, apparently in the past in societies
01:31:06
it was so that those who were more successful left
01:31:09
more offspring in modern ones, at least
01:31:12
in cultures in these very same ones, it seems that
01:31:15
now it’s been 100-150 years since
01:31:20
the situation has turned upside down and vice versa those people
01:31:23
who are considered more successful
01:31:26
leave fewer children than those who are
01:31:28
considered less successful and,
01:31:29
accordingly, there is a negative
01:31:32
selection for those genes, if any, that
01:31:35
increase the likelihood of social success
01:31:37
Yeah, let's say there is quite direct data
01:31:41
already, genetic data based on
01:31:43
huge samples from Iceland to America
01:31:45
according to others in the UK, that Yes, there
01:31:48
really is negative
01:31:50
selection for such traits as education,
01:31:53
wealth,
01:31:56
intelligence, there are genes that
01:31:58
influence the likelihood that you
01:32:00
will get an education, that you
01:32:03
will develop and that
01:32:05
you will earn a lot, and if you
01:32:10
give free rein to your imagination,
01:32:12
many are historians and sociologists
01:32:15
For a long time, since antiquity, they have tried
01:32:17
to talk about the reasons for the death of kingdoms. Yes, the
01:32:20
reason for the death is why some kind of
01:32:22
sovereign, the Persian kingdom or the
01:32:27
Roman Republic, the Greek Empire, these
01:32:30
Finns, why do they live through
01:32:33
some kind of cycle, here is a rise, a heyday, and then,
01:32:36
nevertheless, a decline, death, destruction almost
01:32:39
always
01:32:42
comes Maybe
01:32:44
because at first cultural group selection
01:32:48
is off some societies with some
01:32:51
very advantageous complexes of cultural
01:32:53
baggage heroic sacrificial there
01:32:56
united like the Mongols
01:32:58
Genghis Khan there the law there this Yasa
01:33:01
there who abandoned a comrade in battle is
01:33:03
death and these groups take over the world,
01:33:07
some territory, at least
01:33:09
achieve a dominant position,
01:33:11
multiply, multiply with their culture,
01:33:13
of course, spreads with them,
01:33:15
but after that they have no one to
01:33:17
compete with. And culturally, group
01:33:19
selection can no longer control what
01:33:22
happens next in this culture and they
01:33:24
begin selfish
01:33:25
parasitic memes spread, this is called in
01:33:28
ancient historical
01:33:30
literature, this process is called the
01:33:31
decline of morals, which in fact
01:33:34
destroys great kingdoms
01:33:37
and the women there are rich Romans They say
01:33:40
we won’t give birth to children, we will have
01:33:41
pet crocodiles
01:33:43
because the appearance of children spoils the figure in general
01:33:46
Go to hell And then they are already
01:33:50
rotting, and when the bickering between groups disappears,
01:33:55
parasitic memes begin to spread, and what to
01:33:57
do about it is not very clear Oh, okay,
01:34:00
let’s learn how to educate ourselves and how to
01:34:02
do something about it Thank you very much
01:34:04
Alexander Thank
01:34:20
you [music]
01:34:56
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