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let's go to Brasília because Luciana

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verdolin is calling, she already called someone, is

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n't it Luciana verdolin, let's go

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to the Senate Senator Rodrigo Pacheco

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talking about Pércia, the expectation of

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how this will progress Let's

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listen to him, I can't hear Senator Rodrigo

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Pacheco, we are now adjusting the audio

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but it's that discussion about the

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processing of the perse of the

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government's interest in making things move

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in a positive way to

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hear so they are very anxious

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to have this definition and resolve

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this perse issue in politics So already

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on the agenda on the report of Senator

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Daniela Ribeiro it seems that

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her plenary opinion has already been published, we will

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now submit it to the collegiate so that it can be assessed,

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so in principle it is maintained and we must

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vote today, the issue could be complicated for the

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V of the chamber to vote without the committee, which is I

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confess that Even I haven't read

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Senator Daniela Ribeiro's opinion yet, I'll

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examine it now, but any change of

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merit requires a return to the Chamber of

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Deputies for consideration.

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this sense of

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urgency in relation to the project we put it

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directly in the plenary on this

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holiday eve in a semi-presential session we

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will appreciate the Why is it important

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to deliver this stability to the

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country's events sector Greater impact, right the greater fiscal impact

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predicted government resists what is

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about this The possibility of increasing the

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impact of this measure is a matter of

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merit, as I don't know the

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text exactly, I won't give my opinion, but they are

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modifications specific to Parliament,

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both the Chamber and the Senate have the

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prerogatives to make the

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necessary changes, but I won't give my opinion

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specifically on this one because it is a

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deliberation that will still be made by the

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Senator let's wait Including the

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position of the government leadership in the

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senate in relation to this issue

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no there is no PED and the relationship with the

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government Are you already president Lula

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No we haven't met yet but

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we continue the work Normally

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today's agenda in the Senate includes

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projects of interest to the government

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and it is very important that we

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maintain this work schedule which are

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important projects for the country, in fact

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any divergence in politics

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is something absolutely natural between

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powers between legislative houses between

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people that appear in these powers

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in these institutions But it is never

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conflicts that affect what is the

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public interest, right, so we always seek

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convergence And these divergences

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are certainly resolved every day, we

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resolve them one by

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one, present, let's

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go An expectation, desire of the government to

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approve the

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project has that AL ended up being

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important, it was the reason for

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postponing congress sessions, do you think

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this is a final response to

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dissatisfaction,

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this issue of judicialized airing

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of the

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sheet has been generated in the last few weeks? the DPVAT I don't see

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any type of response it was natural

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we are in a holiday week a

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remote session of both the ccj and the

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plenary there was first the

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project agenda so it is an indication that there is no

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type of

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retaliation or anything that Valha right,

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the opinion was read and the request

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for review is mandatory, this is undeniable, right? So, once the request for review is made, it comes

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back the next week

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in an extraordinary session of the ccj which

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will be on Tuesday and the

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project will certainly be voted on, it is naturally up

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to the government and work through its

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base in the federal senate to be able to

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establish the conviction on the

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merit of reestablishing the DPVAT in

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Brazil and also on a point that deserves

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in-depth and clarified which is that of

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Article 14 referring to the expenditure of 17

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billion 700 million authorization for

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for the government to do so in a

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DPVAT project, then this is also work

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that the government will need to do within

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this logic of fiscal responsibility

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to be able to convince senators that

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this is due to a change in the

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complementary law on fiscal ends in the

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complementary law on DPVAT with something that was

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also inserted there at the time, including

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to convince parliamentarians in

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relation to this topic, but there is nothing

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unusual from the point of view of the

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procedure for reading the opinion in the

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committee.

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of the session of the national congress,

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which is a government request that I attended some

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time ago to be able to postpone the session of the

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national congress precisely so that

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this complementary DPVAT bill could be considered.

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just one to take to the plenary session already

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has a home date for the plenary session

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Today is the fourth discussion session and it

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is not scheduled for Thursday and

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next week I think this topic has

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to be addressed by the Senate leaders

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in relation to the dimension I

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really wanted to make it clear to the senators and

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also to all of you and society as a whole

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that this project is, after all,

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a pillar of something that is very beneficial

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for Brazilian society and for the

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public budget, which is the end of your

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salaries. in the judiciary in other

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institutions there is a bill that has already

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been considered in the Senate, it has already been considered

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in the Chamber, it returns to the Senate, it has the same

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PEC rapporteur and we are marrying the

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two proposals, one defining

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compensation amounts by law to

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prevent there being creation of

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compensatory compensation funds in the

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courts and in the public ministry and at the

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same time the restructuring of the career

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through the proposed amendment The

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constitution the Constitution the two

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things married and together mean

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firstly an economy for the

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Brazilian state and secondly independent of the

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economy that this represents within the

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institution's own budget within

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the judiciary budget within the

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Public Prosecutor's Office budget so

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that this combination of law with the

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constitutional amendment does not alter absolutely

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anything in our quest to comply with the

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Zero Deficit Fiscal Target because this is

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all included within the budget

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of the Judiciary itself and the

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Public Prosecutor's Office and it also constitutes a way

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of reconciling the interests that

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society has and that we also have,

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just as we carried out

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pension reform as well as working

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towards housing assistance as well as

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defining a law on abuse of authority,

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we will define also the

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possible compensation funds to avoid

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this news that we have about

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stratospheric salaries So this is a logic

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but at the same time granting these

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careers that have very

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specific characteristics of very

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exclusive prohibitions as a result of

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even constitutional prohibitions that they

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can have a restructuring to avoid

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distortion of someone at the end of their

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career receiving a

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lower remuneration than that of someone who enters at the end

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of the day when we demand as a

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society that we have a Justice system that

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we have an efficient Justice system of

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professionals who are

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qualified and dedicated to what

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they are doing exclusively,

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which is Judging people and judging

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demands in the country,

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it is necessary to have a

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career structure that is fair, obviously

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this reconciliation is important and at the end

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of the day from a budgetary point of view it

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will mean savings in

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public spending, I saw values there in the

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news broadcast of 80 billion an

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increase in spending of 40 billion an

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increase in spending absolutely this

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does not exist the study of the

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budgetary impact for the union is less than

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R billion reais which is a value

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even lower than what it will be with the

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economy of the end of your salaries in the

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judiciary and in the public ministry and the

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Federal Senate, then we will

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run the judiciary, right? In relation to

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what is the initial proposal of the

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constitutional amendment proposal, which I repeat, combined

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with the bill for the end of your

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salaries, the definition of

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compensation funds is something very interesting.

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and important for Brazilian society

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to value careers that have

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their specificities and at the same time

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combat

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distortions, so we are doing

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this very consciously,

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naturally, the challenge we have

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now and there is a very large appeal from

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party leaders of the

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government itself federal government that this is not

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extended to the executive branch

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extended beyond those bodies that

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have budgetary autonomy precisely

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so as not to compromise this commitment

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that we have to combat the

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public deficit so Eh we are very

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aware of this This will be exhausted

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in a meeting we will talk

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about this in a specific leader meeting

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for this topic and only when it

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is well matured will we

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then present this as a solution

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for the Federal Senate, the process of taking these

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quinos to the constitution into

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the Constitution, this cannot make

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other careers ridiculous the judiciary

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itself, in fact, the reason for being is not the

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length of service, the reason for being is the

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time of exclusive dedication and

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constitutional prohibitions that the

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judiciary has and can only be done through a

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proposed amendment to the Constitution,

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unlike

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the definition of compensation funds

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to avoid excesses in the remuneration of

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magistrates throughout Brazil, which can be

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done by bill. So this

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legislative combination that we make

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under penalty of in fact deteriorating

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these careers to the point where they are not

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attractive, i.e. those

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college students who may want to be judges

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want to be prosecutors stop wanting

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those who are in the career no

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longer want to continue because other careers

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are attractive and what is happening with

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the stature and Public Ministry of

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Brazil at this level is also happening

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in other areas we have this same

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problem for example in Central Bank of

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Brazil that has strategic

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monetary policy work in the country that

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works and develops the pix which is an

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innovation that everyone uses today

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and it is very important to have

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professionals who take care of

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this technology and today we have a

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very serious problem salary within the scope

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of the central bank with

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competition from the private sector that

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ends up inviting these professionals

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today from the public sector to work

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in the private sector earning 10 to 15

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times more than the salary in the

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public sector. So these are strategic issues

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that we have to take care of It's not a

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privilege for anyone, it's not a super

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salary for anyone, but structuring

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careers that can make careers that

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are important minimally attractive

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to attract people who are

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suited for this type of role.

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So it's just this logic that doesn't allow

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populism, doesn't allow demagoguery and doesn't

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allow cowardice also because it is necessary

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to have color to be able to address these issues,

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but all within a rationality of

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reasonableness and I repeat with the

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commitment that we have to avoid

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excesses and to always pursue

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our objective of not having a fiscal deficit

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and having a surplus at the contrary to having a

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fiscal surplus and that Brazil can

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collect well And this is

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also supported by the quality of our

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public service, just to conclude this topic, the

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demonization of the public service in Brazil

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is and of public servants of

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public servants, which over

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time has created this culture of

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pointing them out as culprits and as the reason for the

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atrophy of the Brazilian state.

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This needs to be reviewed, right, and the pandemic

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even revealed this to us, right,

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public health professionals from the

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Unified Health System who saved

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lives, who dedicated themselves, many died

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at Fronte as Public Servants with

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very flat salaries and and and and and

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very bad, you know, the very bad remuneration

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and

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which helped the Brazilian state in

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times of crisis, so the valorization of the

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public service, the valorization of

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civil servants, the recognition of their

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specificities, their

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own characteristics, without excess, without super salary,

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with career structuring that

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encourages them to enter these careers and

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stay in these careers, I think this

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is a discussion that we can have and

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that fits perfectly within our

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fiscal responsibility policy,

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dear

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meeting, Senor said that there will be a

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specific meeting to discuss this, but

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when would it be before the vote,

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certainly, right? This week it was not

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possible to do it due to the remote session,

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we do not have all the leaders of the Senate

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in Brasília, but certainly before that we

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will sit down with everyone to define

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the best path in relation to

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this

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careers V week What's next is what we're going to

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try to do next week

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exactly in relation to real careers,

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just Ju doesn't depend on this adjustment, we

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can't take this vote With

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all these divisions and all this

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misinformation it's very important to have

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clarity, that's what I'm saying which is

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a combination of a proposed amendment

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to the constitution that restructures the

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career and at the same time the

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bill defines

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compensation funds, so it is a

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Legislative combination that it is fair that leaders

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can give their opinion on this before it

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is voted on President, this is a

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career limit or some obstacle, is this

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possible? My original proposal was

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in relation to those careers that have

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exclusive dedication

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and constitutional restrictions and that

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have their own budget, that is, the

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qualitative prioritization of the use of

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money within the company itself. the

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agency's budget instead of paying aid or

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creating so-called frills in order to

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pay its professionals to

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have a structure that has a

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logic based on exclusive dedication time

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at the end of the day instead

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of expenses, for example, with the construction of

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buildings, construction of forums, changing

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equipment and furniture, etc., there really is

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a career structure that fits

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within the already pre-defined budget, without

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budgetary supplementation, without imposing obligations on the

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treasury, right, just a judge and

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a judge, like a magistrate, but

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Senator Rodrigo Pacheco continues to

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respond to journalists, but not to mention

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getting confused here for those of you who

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follow us, we're going to divide the subject,

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our team is following and we'll

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come back in a little while with some more

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relevant excerpts from his speech, gentlemen,

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I'll start at the end, him talking

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about the five-year PEC, expectation of a

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vote We know that there are many

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issues involved, not only the

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senator's very well

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presented argument, let's say about the

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discrepancies regarding high salary,

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the attraction to the career, etc., etc.,

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etc., but this is a topic that goes back and forth,

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this is one of those, eh those

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uncomfortable hot potato bills

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At some points they end up being

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taken out of the drawer Ah, let's deal with this

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issue, davil was restless So

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I'll start with you, you always have this

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issue, not this one Look, what the

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president of the senate said is unbelievable, let's go there

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separating what he is

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right about and what he hides with

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very diplomatic discourse defending the

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harmful corporatism of the public sector

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So let's go, he is

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right, we need to carry out an

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administrative reform to value good

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Public Servants That is fundamental, we

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already have this matter being discussed in

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congress and the essence of this matter

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means measuring the performance of

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public servants, the good

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public servant will earn more, the one who

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hangs up the straw and leaves will not

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gain, so performance So this is

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fundamental within the career, the second

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necessary thing have a career plan

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for these people today the only criterion

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for advancement to a career in the

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public service is time and service. In other words, the

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competent and the incompetent reach the

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top of the career it is a matter of time

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this is a disaster for the

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public service Why is this reform is

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important, it's not just to value the

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public servant and here comes the first

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thing he hides and it's a

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truth he hides we need to value

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Let me just go back to Brasília because

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he's now started talking about

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tax relief, also another important topic

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Let's listen Senator Rodrigo pach

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government in Provisional government measures

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that create programs, for example

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in relation to compensation, the definition of the

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source of resources, the presentation of the

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budgetary and financial spreadsheet of the

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impact that it represents, not all

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projects can be equipped with what

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Agu itself understood

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as being necessary in the case of

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exemption and ends up creating a

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vulnerability, a precedent today.

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Any parliamentarian should provoke, in relation

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to any bill, any

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Provisional Measure, the absence of those

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requirements invoked by Gu as being

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breached in the exemption. So it is just

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this caution that we have to having the

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provocation of the Judiciary obviously that at the

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moment when the political negotiations are exhausted,

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it is absolutely legitimate for me,

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legitimate for the president, legitimate for any

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of the powers, but while there is

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political dialogue this really was a

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mistake in my opinion, the primary thing is that

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it could have been avoided That's why

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in the first response you spoke

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between commas of a decision on

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politics, and in a certain way it

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speaks to the dissatisfaction that many

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parliamentarians have been expressing about the

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pair's articulation in the Planal Palace,

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sorry, you spoke in relation to the

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You spoke in the first response. about

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pers also waiting for a

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political decision between V also in a way a

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message of dialogue with the action of

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parliamentarians with the coordination of

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Palácio do Planalto in the h h of determining

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important actions what I said about pers

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is that it is an important program came from the

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chamber we we urgently want to vote

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directly in the plenary precisely to be able to

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speed up what will be a decision by the

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federal senate in relation to the limits is it

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the same text as the chamber if there will be

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any type of change ISO is everything

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within political normality as is

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political normality the answer that

00:18:19

I gave to my colleague and in relation to DPVAT,

00:18:23

also reading the opinion, there

00:18:25

is no type of crisis that involves

00:18:27

any type of response through

00:18:30

legislative proposals. I even think that

00:18:31

we have to have this responsibility

00:18:33

that the Federal Senate has to deal with this

00:18:36

themes with the responsibility that each

00:18:38

theme deserves the DPVAT is fair or not

00:18:40

fair the PES is fair or not fair Oh

00:18:44

these 15 billion 700 million that were

00:18:46

included in the DPVAT project they are

00:18:48

well explained It is for a good purpose

00:18:50

of government spending or not, right? So this

00:18:53

assessment that we have to have, we

00:18:55

cannot use a Legislative proposition to be

00:18:57

able to establish a dialogue of

00:19:00

retorting to another power is not our case,

00:19:02

we are not going to do it, so we are going to

00:19:04

vote on the pers, let's vote on the DPVAT, let's

00:19:07

have a session of the national congress we

00:19:09

have to seek an environment of

00:19:11

institutional normality And in the case of the

00:19:13

Federal Senate, institutional normality

00:19:15

means the functioning of the Senate of the

00:19:18

sessions of the national congress and

00:19:19

appreciation of the themes, we will appreciate

00:19:25

all the error, right, when the Supreme Court in

00:19:29

relation to the saying that there was no

00:19:32

budgetary impact Ah, you said

00:19:34

it was a mistake, right, it wasn't true, now

00:19:36

you also spoke in relation to the

00:19:38

Ministry of Finance's estimate of

00:19:40

the five-year quec, which estimates it at

00:19:42

42 billion, it ended up being 3 billion,

00:19:45

how did the sir, do you see that there are so many

00:19:47

inconsistencies in the midst of this situation

00:19:49

that is occurring between congress and the

00:19:52

government, sometimes there is no inconsistency,

00:19:54

eventually a number is conceived

00:19:56

based on a reality that is not the

00:19:57

reality of the Legislative proposition, if it is to

00:20:00

appreciate or apply that proportion

00:20:02

Legislative, a countless number of categories,

00:20:04

so let's say it could be a

00:20:06

stratospheric number, what I'm saying is

00:20:08

that in the original proposal presented in the

00:20:11

proposed amendment to the constitution, the

00:20:13

impact on the Union was less than R 3

00:20:15

billion reais per year, which I'm

00:20:17

saying is less to the savings that will

00:20:19

occur with the project to end super

00:20:21

salaries, all within the

00:20:23

Judiciary's own budget without the

00:20:25

need to resort to the treasury or

00:20:26

budgetary supplementation. So the

00:20:29

numbers are variable based on the

00:20:30

premise that establishes in relation to

00:20:32

them means that it cannot there may be an error, there

00:20:34

may be an error, but I

00:20:38

consider it much more to be the establishment of

00:20:40

what is the premise that gave rise to that

00:20:42

number than to actually be a fundamental error.

00:20:56

no and I

00:20:59

already want to have it

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O presidente do Senado Federal, Rodrigo Pacheco (PSD), concedeu entrevista à imprensa e comentou sobre a votação do Perse (Programa Emergencial de Retomada do Setor de Eventos), afirmando que deve acontecer nesta terça-feira (30). Além disso, Pacheco também falou sobre a relação com o presidente Lula (PT) e outras pautas em debate como a PEC do Quinquênio e a desoneração da folha de pagamentos. Assista à íntegra em: https://www.youtube.com/live/UzvrloapvBw Baixe o app Panflix: https://www.panflix.com.br/ Inscreva-se no nosso canal: https://www.youtube.com/jovempan3em1 Siga o canal "Jovem Pan News" no WhatsApp: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Entre no nosso site: https://jovempan.com.br/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Siga no Twitter: https://twitter.com/JovemPanNews Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jovempannews Kwai: https://www.kwai.com/@jovempannews

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