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В чем феномен Путина?

4:20

Путин — гениальный кадровик?

5:08

Как работает мафиозное государство?

6:35

Какое наказание заслуживает Путин?

9:50

Путин может избежать наказания?

11:34

Почему Путин начал войну?

14:27

Как может смениться власть в России?

15:25

Два сценария поражения российской армии

18:23

Нормально ли желать поражения своей армии?

22:13

Есть ли эмпатия к российским солдатам?

23:51

Как относиться к вернувшимся с фронта?

25:47

Какая проблема будет важнее, чем ветераны?

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Какая разница между ветеранами Чечни, Афганистана и бойцами вернувшимися в украинского фронта?

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Надо ли проводить ревизию путинских наград?

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Что делать с путинскими генералами?

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Причина зверств армии РФ в Украине

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На что могут рассчитывать российские солдаты?

39:01

Справедливы ли ответные удары Украины по инфраструктуре России?

41:17

Готов ли Леонид к распаду России?

43:40

Рамзан Кадыров становится самостоятельной силой?

46:24

Зачем Навального изолируют?

48:49

Навальный – личная добыча Путина.

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В чем феномен Алексея Навального?

50:49

Пытается ли окружение Путина договориться с Навальным?

51:12

Репрессии Кремля вышли из-под контроля?

54:00

Почему команда Навального не участвует в работе Форума Свободной России?

57:22

Должны ли россияне собирать деньги ВСУ?

1:05:06

Надо ли менять образ России после путинизма?

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Должны ли россияне покаяться за преступления диктатора?

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Радио Свобода

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оппозиция

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everyone understands there is a war, this war

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is not going very well, more and more people

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are realizing that it was Putin personally who started the war in Ukraine.

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What is

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the phenomenon of this man who has been

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sitting in the Kremlin for almost a quarter of a century and does not yet

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intend to give power to anyone? About this

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I talked with

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Alexei Navalny's political ally Leonid Volkov

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[music]

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Vladimir Putin what is the phenomenon of this

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man who has been at the top of power in Russia for almost a quarter of a century

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and Vladimir Putin has managed well the

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resources that he

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inherited, he is a good tactician and a very

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patient student

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Vladimir Putin has never was an outstanding

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person, yes, a

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KGB agent nicknamed mole, a person who

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studied with a C at school, a person who

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studied poorly at the institute, a person who did

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not make a brilliant career there,

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most of his colleagues were ahead of him in

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rank, a person who vegetated, in

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general, in provincial Dresden in a

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provincial position, it turned out that

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there is such an important quality, he

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learns his lessons well, it happened by chance

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Berezovsky Chubais, the Yeltsin family made

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him president, the cards

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turned out thanks to the TV,

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Vladimir Putin turned out to be a diligent

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student, he was able to learn this lesson Yeah,

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TV is capable of making

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even such a nonentity the president of Russia, as I

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understand it, Okay, that means we need to make sure

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that TV never

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threatens anyone again never threatened me again,

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he started, as you remember, with the defeat of NTV

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Yes,

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with the establishment of complete control, mark

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Vladimir Putin very well learned

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the story about the role of money in politics He

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saw how money decides

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a lot Yes, and how with again, with the help of money

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and political technologies, you can make a

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stool a deputy there, the

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Khodorkhovsky case 2013 2003, the first

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Yukos case was a response to the fact that

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Khodorkovsky financed and at

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the same time the apples of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the Duma

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elections This was a clear signal

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no one has the right to invest money in

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politics money in politics from now on,

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only the Kremlin could invest, plus he

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got a very cool

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inheritance in the form of the Yeltsin Constitution of

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93. The constitution was mediocre written

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in a hurry as a reaction. How quickly a patch was made

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for the events of October 93. The Constitution

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was developed in a month. The Constitution

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is super-presidential. The Constitution

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is aimed at solving one problem so

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that the parliament can never

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contradicting the president never again

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such a situation arose in September

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October 1993, Putin quickly

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saw what endless opportunities

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it gave him to usurp power, and

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finally Putin Yes, he was able to build a

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successfully working system of such a

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bureaucratic balance when there

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are many key people around him

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henchmen responsible for key

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areas

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who are in constant

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conflict with each other in an artificial conflict

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that he himself supports and which

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forces them to resort to Putin as the

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supreme arbiter to resolve their

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conflicts on any occasion because

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Putin is the only bearer of

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legitimacy, the people do not know The voters of

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Russia simply do not know not the Millers, nor

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Rotenberg, nor Kovalchuk, not Bortnikov,

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but when their businesses intersect, when

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they enter into conflicts with each other,

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the only one who can resolve and

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say it will be like this

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is Vladimir Putin because he

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has this rating that is extremely important for

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him if legitimacy is the support

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he receives through

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voting and this was called allowed him to

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build an effective system for

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plundering the country, extremely effective

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and, in general, keep it afloat for

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many, many years. continuation of this thesis,

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some experts believe that he is a

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brilliant personnel officer who knows how to select

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people who are loyal to him and easily

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participate in all his crimes Well,

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I probably won’t say the word straight up

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brilliant,

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we saw a large number of personnel

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errors and quite striking personnel mistakes

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that Putin made,

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remember for example the disastrous story with the

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appointment of security guards by governors,

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when we

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say his security guard Zinichev worked as the

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governor of the Kaliningrad region for three

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weeks, went to the first press conference with

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journalists, I realized that It wasn’t him who collected the

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money from the Kaliningrad region. He left.

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Then he also unsuccessfully worked as the Minister of

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Emergency Situations, who stumbled

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on the Slippery rock. This is an error. There are

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no such stories. There were many outright

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personnel failures. Putin had

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many, but in general he understands well how to

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set up this mafia

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system. Putin built

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it’s called a mafia state, this is not

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name-calling, this is a scientific definition, there

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is, as it were, Don the head of his Mafia,

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there are his

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lieutenants who are responsible. You’re like, you’re

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for drugs, you’re for casinos, you’re for

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prostitutes, that’s when you have

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a conflict, that is, who collects tribute from

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prostitutes who work in a casino, you

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come to the big boss’s carpet

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The big boss says so there you are 50%

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you are 50 or there you are 82-20 the one who

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received 20 leaves dissatisfied but in general

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the system works because he understands

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that in the next conflict he will be given a

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larger piece Putin built exactly

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this Mafia is in its purest form Well,

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just instead of, well, prostitutes, casinos

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and drugs are also present in it Well, there is

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also oil, gas,

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development land, government contracts, and so on And it

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successfully maintains this balance, well,

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because everything fits

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because he worked as a mafioso from 91 to 96, he

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really should have been the head of the St.

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Petersburg Mafia there and studied well How it

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works, he transferred this model of

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managing mafia St. Petersburg to

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governing the country, it worked out well

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because the Yeltsin Constitution

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allowed it well What punishment

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does Putin deserve in your opinion, for everything

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that he did Well, Russian

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legislation does not provide for

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anything else and the punishment other than life

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imprisonment, the ideal scenario would,

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of course, be life imprisonment under the

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agreement of the international criminal court,

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but the trajectory there is so

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difficult to get there it will be so difficult

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that it would have to be there too big

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an optimist to believe that this should

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be a

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series of serious defeats for the Russian

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army in Ukraine; this is more or less

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realistic: a revolt of the generals and the removal of

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Putin from power; the

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internal conflict of the Putin elite,

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which will result in the elite’s understanding of the

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inability to retain power

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post-Putin; the elite entering into negotiations

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similar to the Moncl Pact in Spain

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after the death of Franco And after that,

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the arrest of Putin and his transfer to the

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International Criminal Court is not an

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unrealistic path, I would not be surprised if

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Russia can pass it, it will be very

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cool if Russia can pass it, but these are

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still several political

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forecasts in a row from a not very large degree

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probabilities that should come true It

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should turn out really cool so that

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it happens with a much higher

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probability, and Putin will not live to see

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such a trial, no tribunal in

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some internal conflict, he

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will be killed there by his own people,

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or simply because of health problems,

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he will not make it this far it wouldn’t be so

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good because a public trial of

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Putin would be very important, just like the

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Nuremberg trials would be a very important

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stage in this whole story about

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cleansing, national reconciliation,

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and so on, if now someone shoots Putin in the forehead,

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the war will end, but a

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very important pedagogical lesson

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Russia will not work out, there will be

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a lot of conspiracy again, there will be a lot of

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legends in the future, after a

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generation we will again get a

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nostalgic political force for

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which there will be Here is the Great Putin, who was on

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his way to realizing his plans and if it were

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n’t for a stab in the back with a dagger, everything

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worked out for him and will be again We will risk

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entering the same turn of the spiral again in

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one interview you said that if he

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gets a bullet in the forehead, there are many chances

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that his image will be mythologized and the court and

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tribunal and the verdict at This story

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that will expose a successful

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manager, according to some sources, yes yes well that

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is, once again, we don’t know how

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history will turn out, we I’m pleased that we

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are discussing this, this is a pleasant discussion,

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he will get a bullet in the forehead or, as it were, live

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to life imprisonment, it’s

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nice to discuss the court negotiations, but we

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must, as it were, adequately get ourselves an

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account of what there are very different

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future scenarios and some of them are

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pleasant for us, and some are

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unpleasant, to put it mildly, but maybe it will go

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along them, for example, until now in 2022, I am

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not ready to rule out that history will not

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direct us along such a fork in

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which we will have to give it there were some

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guarantees of security and that was the case.

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Look, returning to your

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quotes again, the Germans were unable to overthrow

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Hitler. The Spaniards Franco, who almost

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ruled for 40 years. Franco then at the end of his life

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changed, it seems he even gave some

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opportunity to turn the country from a dictatorship

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into a democracy, rules 40 years

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Putin may Putin may have a

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variation with the franc that he will rule for a long time

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and easily escape

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responsibility, but at the same time the country can

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prosper. Well, no, because the country

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can no longer prosper. Let him drive the

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country into an economic catastrophe and

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because Putin has destroyed that balance.

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elite a-a and the balance of social

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relations which he carefully and

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quite skillfully built over the

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course of 22 years, the system has already gone into

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disarray. Maybe not everyone there knew this yet,

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but the system has gone into disarray of a return

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to the past. No, if Putin had not made the

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main mistake of his life If he did not

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attack

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Ukraine on February 24, 2022, then

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Franco’s scenario, the scenario of endless

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stagnation, would very likely be

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nothing stopping Putin from sitting in power for another

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15 or 20 years until health allows in a

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closed broadcast, lagging behind the rest of the

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world, stagnating dull Russia but at the

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same time remaining enough reserve of

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safety so that no one will ever

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overthrow him. Now he has greatly undermined his reserve of safety

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[music] an

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important question You touched on it but I

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will repeat it why Putin started the war there is

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a version it is the fear of losing power the second

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is the imperial thorn that you are tormenting the

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collector a- For the Russian lands, the third

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is just a swindler who accidentally

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ended up in power and the main task is

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to grab as much money as possible, these are

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different versions expressed by the Expert, but I do

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n’t see between them, these versions perfectly

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complement each other They are not

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contradictory Let’s look at

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them in detail There is no Putin as such. An

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imperial thorn for sure. We know this

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from his way of life, he says he loves

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young girls, he loves a beautiful

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life, beautiful palaces, luxurious yachts of

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this 800 Scheherazade for 700 million or

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his palace, they say everything about him, he is not

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Joseph Stalin or Franz Joseph who are

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like there on soldier’s stools, it means

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there thinking only that he is with the empire No,

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of course this is nonsense This is the most imperial

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thorn he came up with, like many other

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narratives that he came up with, he just

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came up with it and believed me, he realized that it was

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very Instrumental, very effective

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after 2007 Munich speech He

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saw that this thing was selling very well

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and was helping him a lot to

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increase his rating, which meant ruling in peace,

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which meant having the opportunity to

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endlessly enrich himself, and again,

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enrichment was primary, all this

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imperial rhetoric, all this stuff about

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collecting Russian lands through Eurasia, a

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unique way, this is of course a tool

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but at some point it all comes together, the

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tool becomes the goal itself, remember

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this golden calf, how Alexander

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Ivanovich built a power plant,

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yes, in the end, he built a

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printing house with postcards about the future, a

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power plant, at some point,

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the tool

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replaces the goal, such a

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substitution of concepts occurs, and so there is no there are

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contradictions between the fact that Putin

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appeared, some ambitions of

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land gatherers began to play with the fact that he really

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wanted to increase his rating

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to subdue the huge image problems

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that he had after the pension

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reform after economic failures after the

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doping scandal, many other

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problems that have plagued him in recent

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years and there is no problems with the fact that

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there is no contradiction with the fact that yes,

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in his own DNA, in his way of

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life and actions, he is such a

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petty swindler, quite by chance it turned

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out to be the authorities, so he solves his

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problems with the rating, that is, his

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monopoly of power, his monopoly on the

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ability to steal absolutely in some

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fraudulent gopnic gangster

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ways, while waving the imperial

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flag and yet how can

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power change in Russia, given that in Belarus

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it seemed that Lukashenko’s regime was about to collapse,

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more than half a million people

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took to the streets of Belarus, Lukashenko

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held on only thanks to Putin, this is

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quite obvious Lukashenko I felt the

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support of Putin both by force and by media and

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propaganda. We remember this is the famous

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story when a

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landing party of Russian propagandists arrived on Belarusian state TV

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when Lukashenko was left completely alone with

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his and his son at that moment he

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relied on Russian forces. If it weren’t for

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Putin, who there offered him

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Lukashenko’s shoulder Of course, Putin wouldn’t be able to resist

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such luxury

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[music]

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war in Ukraine You are one of the supporters of the

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military defeat of the Russian army in

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this company. In what format do you see

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this defeat? Complete destruction of

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manpower and equipment of the Russian army or are there

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any other nuances? Well I honestly don’t

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think that this will end I honestly think

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that

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I hope Well, again, I’m an optimist, so

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I hope for some relatively

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successful outcome of this whole matter. I

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can offer several more major

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defeats similar to what the

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Russian armed forces

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suffered in the Kharkov region,

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let’s say losses Kherson

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then the loss of, say, Severodonetsk

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Lisichanskaya, then say the loss of either

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poplar or even Mariupol at some

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point after some such

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defeat.

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I think that

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we can see in one form or another a

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revolt of the generals who now

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understand perfectly well that the command is

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being placed in front of them

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unrealistic tasks have long been understood,

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he is trying to do something as if with

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absolutely unsuitable means, he is there

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recruiting prisoners in maximum security colonies,

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but the reality is that

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they have no chance, the Ukrainian army is much

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more numerous now and much better

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armed. So I’m sure that everything is

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small- somewhat intelligent Generals, if there are any

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left who

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understand at least something, in general they already

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understand that it is hopeless, that is, they are

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blocking a huge long

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front line with absolutely insufficient forces for this,

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and at some point I hope

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that they will simply

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confront Putin with the fact that the war is

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lost and There’s nowhere else to go and beyond. The

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miracles themselves will simply begin to disappear and

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peace negotiations will take place in

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conditions of recognition of

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Russia’s military defeat, that is,

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this is the lightest and best

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possible scenario. There is certainly a

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scenario worse than any. Well, like, the Generals

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will hold out until the last. Putin

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will hold out until the last.

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persist like Hitler in a bunker and the

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armed forces of Ukraine will have to

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liberate the Donetsk region in full, the

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entire Luhansk region and the

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entire Crimea. This will be a big

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problem because this will drag on for

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years, there will be rivers of blood, there will be

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huge losses from that On the other hand,

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Putin, of course now they don’t yet understand

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that the war is lost a-ah Well, I

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want to believe that a

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few more of these sensitive

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defeats of goodwill gestures, as they

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call it, regroupings, the military

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leadership of Russia will be able to convey this obvious

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truth, let’s say in one form or another,

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you are a citizen of the Russian

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Federation you are a Russian politician, it’s

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normal to want the military defeat of

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your own army because there are deceived people in the army,

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this is absolutely normal, I talk about it

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there in every program that I host.

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I have no problems with this. It’s very

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nice to be on the side of the

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forces of good. It’s very nice to be on the

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side. justice and common sense

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from this point of view Everything is very simple, every

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time a Russian

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soldier sets foot on Ukrainian soil It

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violates justice, violates common

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sense, to break the law, not a single

00:19:01

Russian court has anything to do there,

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that’s where history itches, has known many wars,

00:19:05

many conflicts and very often we saw

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warriors where they have their own truth these have their

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own truth go say something about the

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Karabakh conflict oh the story will begin

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for a decade of mutual grievances

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ethnic cleansing

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violence

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heaped up layers There are a lot of layers and there I

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talked a lot about the story with the other side

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and each side can take a very long time

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tell it convincingly so that by the end of

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the conversation you will absolutely believe There is no such thing with the war between

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Russia and Ukraine

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such a shameful such a clearly

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unjust absolutely definitely

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wrong war probably didn’t happen in

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1939 Well, yes, I kind of just

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criticized historical parallels myself but

00:20:01

no other historical parallel it doesn’t

00:20:03

come to mind there is no

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accumulated long history where everything

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would be somehow ambiguous, well, no matter how they

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tried, Russia just took and invaded with

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huge forces using absolutely

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unlimited violence and cruelty on the

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territory of a peaceful

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state in order to chop off huge

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territories

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to destroy the state As such

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it’s so easy here to take the right

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moral side. Try it, dear

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friends. This is the truth. It’s easy and

00:20:42

pleasant to speak. The Russian army should be taken

00:20:45

on the territory of Ukraine because this

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correctly

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facilitates our task; the

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task of

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taking such a position facilitates our

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task; no, there are no deceived

00:20:57

people; there is one more circumstance

00:21:00

that Of course, it greatly simplifies our

00:21:02

task; after all, war has not been declared; a

00:21:05

special military operation is underway; there are

00:21:09

contract soldiers there, each of whom now

00:21:12

knows very well that he is not obliged

00:21:15

to be there; there are thousands, not hundreds, but

00:21:18

thousands of executioners who found the

00:21:20

courage to tell their superiors that

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we did not sign up for such a thing and our

00:21:25

contract does not provide for anything

00:21:27

like that at all, and there are thousands of contract soldiers who were

00:21:29

successfully able to leave the combat zone,

00:21:32

except for the contract soldiers, we see

00:21:34

there Warners, we see prisoners there

00:21:37

whom Prigozhin is being collected in columns. Well, to be

00:21:39

honest, they don’t evoke any sympathy either

00:21:45

even if a

00:21:47

conscript army fought there, even if conscripts fought there,

00:21:49

I would still wish the Russian

00:21:52

army defeat,

00:21:54

it would aggravate Putin’s crime;

00:21:57

sending conscripts there to grind forced people

00:22:00

in this meat grinder would be

00:22:02

even worse, even worse. But that

00:22:05

would not change our assessment of this war, as

00:22:07

obviously on the shore, a

00:22:09

specific question is incorrect. If you have empathy for a

00:22:13

Russian soldier who went to fight in

00:22:16

Ukraine and returned from there without legs.

00:22:18

I have empathy for any person

00:22:20

who went somewhere and returned without legs.

00:22:23

This is any death of a person, this is a tragedy,

00:22:27

this is

00:22:28

some kind of... then it’s a personal family drama, some

00:22:33

children who were left orphans, a widowed

00:22:35

mother, that’s all, but sort of, well, excuse me,

00:22:39

there’s also probably some gradation, and for the

00:22:43

Ukrainian citizen who woke up, the fact

00:22:46

that a rocket flew into his house loved

00:22:50

his whole family, I’m sorry more, but

00:22:54

to you told the mother of a contract worker

00:22:56

who, for example, went missing,

00:22:58

no money, of course the family didn’t

00:23:00

work out. What words would you choose

00:23:03

to start a conversation with her?

00:23:06

Well, firstly, the context of this virtual situation is not very clear;

00:23:12

you should have answers to such questions.

00:23:15

What to say to the mother who

00:23:18

lost her son didn’t receive any money and she’s

00:23:21

sitting empty-handed. No,

00:23:25

the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, who sent them there,

00:23:27

who underestimates the losses, should talk to these mothers.

00:23:30

In order not to pay funeral expenses and so

00:23:33

on, we can only say to this mother

00:23:35

what we say to everyone and any wide

00:23:38

audience. uh, the

00:23:40

culprit of your misfortune sits in the Kremlin, his

00:23:43

name is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

00:23:45

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00:23:48

How to treat people who came from

00:23:51

the front, when the war is over These people

00:23:54

will enter civilian life Some of

00:23:57

them have even received awards as heroes of Russia, this is

00:23:59

how to treat these people who

00:24:02

will walk among us

00:24:04

the fact that there will be a lot of these people

00:24:08

will be one of the biggest problems for the

00:24:11

beautiful Russia of the future. Putin has already

00:24:13

created a huge number of problems

00:24:15

that we have to sort out. I don’t

00:24:18

think that the problem with the veterans of this

00:24:21

war

00:24:22

will become the most important problem after all.

00:24:26

For now, again, it depends on what scenario

00:24:29

if this continues for another two or three years, if

00:24:32

at some point Putin decides on

00:24:34

total mobilization, if all this

00:24:36

grows there even more, but the problem will become

00:24:38

bigger, let’s imagine that today

00:24:40

Putin, God forbid, was taken away by aliens,

00:24:43

the war is over after all, for now we are

00:24:46

still dealing with a very limited

00:24:48

contingent there are about 200 thousand people

00:24:50

who are fighting there, plus many of them have

00:24:53

already died, those who have returned will still

00:24:58

not be that many,

00:24:59

again somehow we have such a referent

00:25:02

running through our conversation that we need to

00:25:04

prioritize this,

00:25:07

Putin’s legacy will be a huge number problems

00:25:09

and veterans and Chechnya and structural

00:25:12

problems in the economy, we will solve everything

00:25:14

one way or another, talk, they

00:25:17

integrate, find a place in society,

00:25:19

but identify war criminals and try them

00:25:22

for war crimes,

00:25:24

thank God This is a war of the 21st century, everything

00:25:27

is documented very very well, but the

00:25:31

register of problems in order of importance is

00:25:34

the problem will not be there in the top 5, I can

00:25:36

just say which problem will be much

00:25:37

more important called teachers teachers

00:25:40

who rig elections Well,

00:25:44

here we have the most important thing for the future of the country, the

00:25:46

education system is generally the main thing Yes,

00:25:48

in the 22nd century there is nothing for the country to do

00:25:52

without a focus on education

00:25:54

human capital The most important thing is

00:25:56

that we have, that we have a

00:25:58

competitive economy, that we

00:25:59

have a normal side, that people there are

00:26:01

taught well, almost all of our teachers,

00:26:05

2/3 of teachers are part of a

00:26:09

large-scale system of election fraud

00:26:11

and then they are the same and the propaganda system

00:26:14

then they teach children with the same hands and the

00:26:17

same language, let’s

00:26:20

say, take and replace all the judges,

00:26:22

you can do something

00:26:25

with all the veterans, there aren’t so

00:26:28

many of them, again, sort out the war

00:26:31

criminals, judge the rest as I would like to

00:26:33

place them somewhere. And I don’t understand what to do with all the

00:26:35

teachers. We will return

00:26:37

to the question of teachers. After all, we are

00:26:41

contemporaries with you and witnessed the

00:26:44

war in Chechnya and even saw Afghanistan. So is it

00:26:46

possible to equate those who are afraid

00:26:49

in Ukraine today with those who fought in

00:26:51

Chechnya and those who fought in Afghanistan

00:26:53

or These are completely different cases Well,

00:26:56

of course they are different,

00:26:58

again we return to the topic of

00:27:00

historical parallels, they are always very

00:27:02

tense; the

00:27:03

contingent that is fighting now in

00:27:05

Ukraine has already exceeded the Chechen one and,

00:27:08

accordingly, the consequences will be more

00:27:09

painful relations in society

00:27:12

among the Chechens and I must say to the Kafghans there

00:27:15

was never an

00:27:18

unconditionally approving attitude, the

00:27:21

Afghans were always very careful. Well, that

00:27:24

means there are some, they were always

00:27:27

such a basis for criminal

00:27:29

groups in the early nineties for

00:27:31

someone of dubious business in the gray

00:27:33

zone or beyond its borders there, there it

00:27:36

means in my hometown, the office of the

00:27:41

regional Union of Veterans in

00:27:43

Afghanistan, it was a place where

00:27:45

smart boys in smart cars

00:27:47

solved very dubious issues, then

00:27:49

with the Chechens it was the same story, there

00:27:54

was also a little crime there, and so on,

00:27:57

society

00:27:59

treated them very carefully.

00:28:02

This has never happened before our hero they

00:28:05

did well

00:28:06

in the case of the Ukrainian war We are still

00:28:09

all with you We hope I hope that

00:28:11

society will additionally go through a

00:28:15

large stage of national reflection

00:28:19

hypothesization Yes that we will not be able to

00:28:22

move forward Russia will not be able to

00:28:23

move forward without serious

00:28:25

awareness and admission of guilt without any something of a

00:28:29

serious process of national

00:28:31

self-purification, and within the framework of this process,

00:28:34

society will probably be able to understand how to

00:28:38

behave, including with veterans

00:28:40

of the Ukrainian war, and yet these are tens of

00:28:42

thousands of people who will return from the front, you,

00:28:45

relatively speaking, head the

00:28:47

Ministry of Labor and Social

00:28:48

Security there and

00:28:51

this soldier or officer comes to you with awards and

00:28:55

asks for some kind of social package, your

00:28:58

position.

00:28:59

Well, I hope that I will never have the opportunity

00:29:03

to head the Ministry of Labor and

00:29:04

Social Security. So let

00:29:08

me decide. I don’t have a ready answer to this

00:29:11

question, I’m not ashamed of it at all

00:29:13

again. because somewhere in the list of

00:29:16

priorities he is in tenth

00:29:19

place. It’s good if the Soldiers and officers

00:29:22

received orders and medals For the destruction of the

00:29:24

Syrian city of Aleto, that’s how it’s related to them, is

00:29:27

it from the same series or another, well, this is

00:29:30

generally a marginal story in terms of

00:29:33

numbers, but it’s Syrian the war was really

00:29:35

very limited in terms of contingent Will it be necessary to

00:29:39

carry out Well, let's put

00:29:41

the question more broadly: will it be necessary to carry out an audit of

00:29:43

Putin's awards? Well, yes, it will be necessary to

00:29:47

carry out a proper audit of all Putin's

00:29:49

legislation.

00:29:55

and pointing out Borodin and

00:29:59

the laws there for which

00:30:01

the State Duma voted, and so on, of course, Sergei

00:30:04

Kiriyenko and Ramzan Kadyrov and

00:30:07

Yevgeny Prigozhin will not be able to walk in the

00:30:10

beautiful Russia of the future as a

00:30:12

hero’s golden star. Well, if only because you

00:30:16

can’t take the Golden Star with you into a prison cell, but

00:30:20

what specifically there will be criteria for this,

00:30:23

as it were,

00:30:24

revision of the documents that Putinism has not

00:30:28

generated in recent years, I

00:30:30

will say now I’m not ready to say on the shore,

00:30:31

but the fact that all these documents will need to be

00:30:34

revised This is a completely obvious

00:30:35

thing. What to do with Putin’s

00:30:37

generals who carried out the criminal

00:30:40

orders of the commander in chief is destroyed

00:30:42

entire cities and villages, along with

00:30:44

civilians, the generals, for the most part,

00:30:46

are war criminals; this is an

00:30:48

important question: should they be tried on

00:30:50

Russian territory or extradited

00:30:55

to an international court; I would like to live to see an international

00:30:58

tribunal; this would be useful from the point

00:31:00

of view of a hypothesis from the point of view of

00:31:02

drawing a line Under this sad

00:31:06

page of our history so that we can

00:31:07

move on, would it turn out great

00:31:10

or not, but this is a difficult question, how would

00:31:14

people arise there, historical conditions for an

00:31:17

international tribunal over

00:31:19

Putin’s my henchmen, we will do

00:31:22

everything possible for this, but

00:31:25

how will it work out here? The important

00:31:29

detail here is the Generals who they laid down the lives of

00:31:32

Russian soldiers and officers on the

00:31:35

Battlefield, yes, that’s one story, but at the same

00:31:39

time, as a result of the bombing,

00:31:42

civilians on the other side were killed. That’s what to judge

00:31:45

this General for first of all, for his own people

00:31:47

or for others,

00:31:49

listen, but in both

00:31:50

cases I’m not a crime the lawyer is not

00:31:54

an Expert in the field of international law,

00:31:56

but I am sure that international criminal

00:31:59

law and Russian criminal law knows the

00:32:01

answers to the questions that you ask

00:32:03

people can be judged by the totality of

00:32:05

crimes and a

00:32:07

person can be judged And because of this, in

00:32:11

some sequence, including

00:32:12

different jurisdictions It seems to me that this is

00:32:15

some kind of complex question. I am sure that

00:32:18

legal science has an answer to it

00:32:21

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00:32:24

Dmitry Glukhovsky, the writer once

00:32:27

said, cruelty and lawlessness

00:32:29

provoked decades of

00:32:32

humiliation of the Russian people in Ukraine and then they

00:32:35

gave him a weapon, gave the command to face and as

00:32:38

a result, such tragedies as

00:32:40

Bucha appeared and now they are talking about raisins. Do you

00:32:44

agree that these decades of

00:32:47

humiliation spilled out cruelty on

00:32:50

foreign territory? I generally agree with

00:32:53

Glukhovsky’s convoy of this thought. I haven’t

00:32:56

heard it before, but in the form you tell

00:33:00

me. they offered this quote, it

00:33:03

seems to me that it is generally justified with Russia, a

00:33:06

classic case of the Versailles

00:33:10

syndrome occurred. Germany was defeated in the

00:33:13

First World War.

00:33:15

After some time, the population begins

00:33:17

to feel that this is

00:33:20

wrong, unfair, we

00:33:23

suffered so much, we should have won, we are

00:33:25

so wonderful, the

00:33:27

theory is spreading in society, they hit us with a dagger.

00:33:31

back that this defeat was

00:33:34

caused by external factors and was not

00:33:37

conditioned by the entire course of history and on these

00:33:40

conspiracy theories the Nazi party comes to power,

00:33:45

which, in fact, builds its

00:33:47

political

00:33:49

agenda for revanchism,

00:33:52

literally the same thing happened to Russia.

00:33:54

I just swore at historical

00:33:56

analogies And now he climbed them himself, but

00:33:58

nevertheless, the Soviet Union was defeated

00:34:00

in the Cold War, a defeat naturally

00:34:04

ugly. The Communist

00:34:06

economic system naturally collapsed. The

00:34:08

Soviet Union

00:34:11

naturally collapsed, but after

00:34:13

a while, yes, Putin was able to

00:34:16

feel a nostalgic centimeter

00:34:18

in part of society; to feel a

00:34:20

significant part perceives it

00:34:24

like him the collapse of the Soviet Union itself as

00:34:27

quotes from the greatest geopolitical

00:34:29

catastrophe Perceives it as something

00:34:31

as unfair as possible and began

00:34:34

to build his political agenda on

00:34:36

this the annexation of Crimea was a trial balloon

00:34:38

He saw that this is really a magic

00:34:40

pill that cures any problems with

00:34:43

the rating I will remind you that according to the World Opinion Research Center

00:34:46

Putin’s rating is for the first time throughout his

00:34:49

reign, it fell below 50 percent. In

00:34:51

November 2013, and then Crimea turned

00:34:54

up and it turned out that this is a medicine

00:34:55

that raises the rating of the best love of

00:34:57

Viagra in the fall of 21 for the second time in all of

00:35:02

Putin’s time, the leader became 40%. and he already

00:35:05

knew what to do, he already knew from the experience of the

00:35:08

fourteenth year that a small

00:35:10

victorious war built on

00:35:12

this post-Soviet nostalgia on

00:35:13

post-Soviet sentiment was a cool

00:35:15

thing, it didn’t work out, it failed, he

00:35:18

calculated incorrectly, Incorrectly Assessed the

00:35:20

consequences But that was the idea,

00:35:22

he perceived a

00:35:24

successful war A a foreign policy

00:35:27

adventure in the post-Soviet space

00:35:29

as a way to solve internal political

00:35:31

problems, he did not need this war

00:35:34

in itself did not need to be captured.

00:35:36

He needed to be loved so that his

00:35:38

rating would increase so that there would be no

00:35:41

internal political problems, I am absolutely

00:35:43

sure of you, but the Soldiers whom he sent there

00:35:48

General commanders Yes, many of them

00:35:52

were also victims, but this sentiment,

00:35:55

which was spread by propaganda for 20 years,

00:35:58

we had a great country, they were

00:36:01

stabbed in the back, and

00:36:05

plus insane poverty was added to this, after

00:36:08

all, Putin robbed Russia for 20 years on a

00:36:12

cosmic and imaginable scale,

00:36:16

what we have shown over 10 years of work of the

00:36:18

anti-corruption fund this is a tiny part of the

00:36:20

tip of the iceberg We can

00:36:23

still imagine what kind of money we are

00:36:28

talking about what resources and, accordingly,

00:36:30

what degree of poverty Well, here we

00:36:32

are now in Vilnius in Lithuania in the

00:36:35

poor eastern -in a European country with

00:36:38

a lot of problems, the average salary

00:36:39

is approximately 250 percent of the

00:36:41

average salary in Russia without oil

00:36:44

without gas without nothing, just a Russian is two

00:36:48

and a half times poorer than a Lithuanian because for

00:36:50

20 years Putin robbed him incredibly

00:36:53

and here he is with this robbery and propaganda

00:36:56

propaganda and robbery Yes brought a

00:36:59

significant part of people to a completely

00:37:00

bestial state,

00:37:03

your unloved historical parallels and

00:37:05

yet you catch on. But if we take

00:37:08

again about the Soldiers of the officers who

00:37:11

are fighting in Ukraine, let’s return for a second to the

00:37:15

soldiers of the Reich who received pensions even

00:37:18

after the Second

00:37:20

World War ended. These people They didn’t languish in

00:37:22

poverty Despite the fact that it was a

00:37:25

war of the aggressor, they had a more or less

00:37:27

decent life, but a Russian soldier

00:37:29

who fought in Ukraine can

00:37:31

count on this forgiveness.

00:37:33

Well, we’re not talking about forgiveness, we’re talking about

00:37:36

finding balance. And

00:37:40

in society, finding balance

00:37:43

public interests,

00:37:44

we won’t pay pensions, we won’t

00:37:47

pay disability benefits to people

00:37:49

who returned there from the front without a leg.

00:37:52

Yes, Okay, so we’ll get a certain

00:37:56

number of beggars and marginalized people on

00:37:58

the street, we’ll get some hotbeds of tension

00:38:02

that

00:38:03

are in conflict with the public

00:38:06

interest that will lead to the fact that

00:38:07

building the beautiful Russia of the future

00:38:09

will be even more difficult for us because we

00:38:12

will already have such a hotbed of tension

00:38:14

associated there, like with a hungry horde of

00:38:17

people with military experience, of course Germany.

00:38:20

They solved similar problems in this sense there,

00:38:22

if you take all the veterans. Well, there is still

00:38:25

a Problem was much on a scale that

00:38:27

everything had already been delivered Yes, from small to

00:38:29

large if everyone was abandoned And there In

00:38:32

no way does it support Well,

00:38:35

Germany would not have become a successful

00:38:37

Industrial power

00:38:40

among the G7 country that we now

00:38:43

know Yes, we will have to solve this kind of problem

00:38:45

in a wonderful Russia of the future

00:38:47

will find a balance of public interests

00:38:50

to build it, but I don’t think these

00:38:53

problems have not been resolved, including

00:38:55

because, for example, we have German experience

00:38:57

which we can also rely on. In a sense, this is a

00:39:00

provocative question. Today the war

00:39:03

has moved into a different format, that is, in addition

00:39:05

that the

00:39:07

Russian army is striking at combat

00:39:11

units of the Ukrainian army, at the same time they are

00:39:13

hitting the infrastructure. The last story is

00:39:16

attacks on the dam on the Heating Network and now

00:39:20

there is a response from Ukraine, also

00:39:22

there in the Belgorod region they are hitting

00:39:25

some points in your opinion This is

00:39:29

justified or not, well, firstly, strikes on

00:39:32

civilian infrastructure, or rather

00:39:34

strikes wherever necessary from Russia,

00:39:37

were carried out on the very first day of the war, and

00:39:40

this propaganda stamp

00:39:42

that Russia supposedly, uh, strikes only at

00:39:46

military infrastructure and against military

00:39:49

targets, it is of course one of the most

00:39:52

disgusting

00:39:53

manifestations of lies in this war, but as if

00:39:58

understanding that Russian missiles and

00:40:00

Russian weapons are all very

00:40:02

crap in terms of quality, understanding that

00:40:04

they have an accuracy of plus or minus a kilometer And this is

00:40:08

not a figure of speech But in reality, plus or minus

00:40:10

a kilometer, they boldly screwed up For some reason

00:40:13

goals inside a densely populated building

00:40:15

to remember the terrible Tragedy in Vinnitsa, it seems like

00:40:17

they hit some officers’ house there.

00:40:20

They understood perfectly well what would

00:40:22

fly around and there would be terrible casualties

00:40:26

lost around. That is, this is an

00:40:28

attack on the Kharkov thermal power plant and on the dam in

00:40:33

Krivoy Rod. This is just More another

00:40:37

episode of military prestu of the Russian army

00:40:41

is that Ukraine is responding with attacks,

00:40:45

including on the supply line; again, this did

00:40:48

not start yesterday; oil depots in

00:40:50

Belgorod in the Bryansk regions, they

00:40:52

successfully burned with quadcopters back in

00:40:55

April, then that Ukraine is responding by defending itself,

00:40:58

including on the infrastructure that

00:41:00

provides supplying the Russian

00:41:02

group Well, yes, from the point of view of the norms of

00:41:04

International Law, I, not being a lawyer,

00:41:07

am intuitively sure that this is absolutely

00:41:09

justified, let’s say. But the truth is

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00:41:16

you are psychologically prepared for the fact that

00:41:19

Russia could fall apart,

00:41:21

many experts say this. I don’t see

00:41:23

any prerequisites for this. I talked a lot about this

00:41:25

and in interviews in my

00:41:27

videos, this is some kind of strange

00:41:29

scarecrow based on something unclear,

00:41:32

economically, politically, culturally,

00:41:35

from the point of view of economic ties,

00:41:38

simply the mutual benefit of the location of the

00:41:40

territory within one side, from the

00:41:43

point of view of some cultural

00:41:44

features there, all that Russia is very

00:41:46

homogeneous much more homogeneous than

00:41:48

many people think, including Western

00:41:51

experts, when experts on Eastern

00:41:55

Europe begin to say that Russia

00:41:57

is still a colonial

00:41:59

empire there, which means

00:42:02

enslaved, they are extremely dreaming of a well

00:42:04

Well, this is nonsense, this sentiment is not

00:42:07

listen, Well, I traveled the whole country when

00:42:09

We built headquarters, we communicated in a bunch of

00:42:12

regions. Well, no one in their right mind

00:42:15

dreams of having Independent Kazakhstan or

00:42:17

Independent Udmurtia, there are two Russian

00:42:20

regions, exactly two, where we can seriously

00:42:25

talk about the possibility of some kind of

00:42:28

implementation

00:42:30

of separatism, of course, Tyva is a

00:42:34

mono-ethnic cultural region, absolutely

00:42:37

practically not connected

00:42:40

cultural and transport and so on,

00:42:41

practically not connected with the rest of

00:42:42

Russia and the region that was

00:42:45

the very last to become part of Russia,

00:42:47

strictly speaking, not counting the

00:42:49

Kaliningrad region

00:42:51

and the region that really

00:42:55

seems to look like such a rather foreign

00:42:58

body within Russia. I can

00:43:01

imagine some fantastic

00:43:03

scenario when Sergei Shoigu

00:43:06

ending his career does not mean the emperor of

00:43:09

independent Tuva. So Chechnya. Yes, well,

00:43:16

due to the fact that after the Chechen

00:43:19

wars, after ethnic cleans, after

00:43:21

all the ethnic Russians left there,

00:43:26

the region became very

00:43:27

homogeneous and But even why it’s difficult to

00:43:31

imagine because again,

00:43:32

the economic dependence is huge,

00:43:34

Chechnya’s budget is formed by federal

00:43:37

transfers, if my memory serves me

00:43:39

82 percent, is Ramzan Kadyrov destroying

00:43:43

Putin’s vertically by becoming

00:43:45

another center of power, now he is calling for

00:43:48

mobilization and other regions

00:43:50

to follow his example

00:43:51

Ramzan Kadyrov

00:43:54

at different times

00:43:56

acted for Putin sometimes as sometimes

00:44:01

as an asset, as something that brings more

00:44:05

benefits than then, sometimes as a source

00:44:08

of problems, let’s say when it was necessary to

00:44:11

scare the opposition with Ramzan Kadyrov’s men, when it was necessary to

00:44:14

tell the likes, including in the West,

00:44:16

that there will be no moderate

00:44:19

Putin, Kadyrov will come to power before the war

00:44:22

and Kadyrov performed a very

00:44:25

useful and very necessary role for Putin, very important,

00:44:27

now the world has seen that nothing can be worse than Putin

00:44:30

Ramzan Kadyrov has ceased

00:44:32

to be a scarecrow

00:44:34

cannot be At the same time, he causes

00:44:38

serious irritation,

00:44:40

including xenophobia, of

00:44:42

course, including some then the

00:44:44

security forces hate his stories

00:44:46

because Kadyrov is about to ascend, he is the

00:44:49

main character there is not a maker, on the one

00:44:52

hand they see everything that he doesn’t

00:44:54

fight at all, he makes videos for tik tok and

00:44:56

in general he behaves in the most cowardly way possible, and on the

00:44:58

other hand, it’s the current Elite of the

00:45:01

Russian security forces these are people who

00:45:04

just have experience of the Chechen war and

00:45:06

who remember very well how they

00:45:07

ran through the forest with

00:45:10

machine guns after this very Ramzan there are no warm feelings.

00:45:12

Therefore, I think that now

00:45:14

Ramzan Kadyrov for Putin has turned

00:45:16

rather into a problem in the sources of problems and that is why there are

00:45:19

so many movements

00:45:21

all these scandalous statements of his are around him But

00:45:24

when Kadyrov wrote down the telegram It’s

00:45:27

time for me to leave, this is of course such a

00:45:31

deliberate aggravation, that is, it is clear that the

00:45:33

Kremlin is dissatisfied with Putin. He is a

00:45:35

problem and he says Well, okay,

00:45:37

okay, I’ll leave then you will have another

00:45:42

front you will have even more problems

00:45:45

with Chechnya where there will be a struggle between

00:45:47

clans for Kadyrov’s Legacy and so

00:45:50

on, well, this was done so that

00:45:52

Putin would wave his hand and say okay,

00:45:54

let’s not touch anything, everything remains as is,

00:45:56

the project can be revived, for example Well, here it is,

00:46:00

as it were How is it does with a certain

00:46:03

frequency uh blackmailed Putin

00:46:05

In short, Ramzan

00:46:07

Kadyrov was once more of a

00:46:09

valuable asset for Putin, now he is

00:46:12

more of a problem for him And I think all this is well

00:46:15

understood

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00:46:23

Alexei Navalny latest news

00:46:25

Alexei Navalny was covered with film in the colony

00:46:28

the window through which the politician

00:46:29

read documents from lawyers in the beginning of

00:46:32

August and all of September and everything Navalny

00:46:36

is constantly in a punishment cell,

00:46:39

in your opinion, what goal did

00:46:41

the authorities set? You know, I don’t know, it would be

00:46:46

easier to live and it would be understandable if

00:46:49

they had a clear goal,

00:46:52

stop there do this or do this or

00:46:56

do this or we rotted you no

00:47:00

they just imprisoned him they did

00:47:03

n’t present any ultimatums

00:47:06

without putting forward any demands at all It’s

00:47:08

not clear what I’m trying to

00:47:10

achieve this really worries us

00:47:13

because he’s been in prison for more than a month

00:47:16

which is simply not designed for

00:47:22

this is difficult punishment is the most

00:47:24

exceptional punishment that generally

00:47:26

happens in the Russian

00:47:28

system, there are penalties, there are some kind of

00:47:31

orders, fines, then everything is limited in

00:47:34

transfers and in the gradation of possible

00:47:37

punishments it is schizo, the most severe, there is

00:47:40

nothing worse than the most exceptional And when

00:47:42

he is placed there for the fact that he is there 2

00:47:44

I didn’t hold my hands behind my back for a second or did

00:47:47

n’t fasten a button. But this shows

00:47:49

that, of course, this is an absolutely political

00:47:51

decision that came there from the upper

00:47:53

echelons of some hierarchy and this is such an

00:47:57

ostentatious decision, we

00:48:00

’ll tell you here, you won’t get out of here,

00:48:03

it’s very worries us and, coupled with the line

00:48:09

that they have taken to completely limit

00:48:11

his contacts with the outside world,

00:48:13

makes us very much worried

00:48:15

about his life, for his health in general, for the

00:48:18

prospects of his being there,

00:48:21

as I already said. I don’t know why this is

00:48:23

happening, but if necessary there was still

00:48:26

an explanation I think that this is some kind of

00:48:29

Putin’s reaction to the

00:48:32

failure of the war to the fact that the situation on

00:48:35

the fronts is getting worse and worse Putin is nervous

00:48:37

Putin is angry Well, roughly speaking, he takes it out

00:48:39

on his personal prisoner That

00:48:44

is, the fact that Alexei Navalny is

00:48:45

Putin’s personal prisoner I hope

00:48:48

no one will argue with this. Well, you’re just

00:48:50

a little ahead of me, it is believed that

00:48:52

Navalny is Putin’s personal prey and

00:48:54

no one will dare to hurt him until

00:48:57

the order comes absolutely so

00:48:59

absolutely. So this means that he

00:49:01

did such a great thing, that is, no

00:49:03

initiative and spreading rot I absolutely

00:49:06

exclude any amateur performance from

00:49:08

the outside what is the phenomenon of Alexei Navalny

00:49:12

this is the phenomenon of Alexei Navalny the broad

00:49:14

question is that he is a very cool politician, he is a

00:49:17

real politician, he knows how to formulate

00:49:20

political meanings and ideas that

00:49:23

correspond to the time and resonates with a

00:49:25

large part of society, he knows how to package these ideas in a cool way,

00:49:32

present them

00:49:34

and ignite them by them people This is probably the most

00:49:37

important thing about Alexei Navalny, there is

00:49:39

such a point of view that fate

00:49:41

gave us Alexei Navalny as a

00:49:43

courageous man who fought against

00:49:46

corruption, just as in his time fate

00:49:48

gave Mikhail Gorbachev, who

00:49:49

broke the back of the Soviet Empire and

00:49:52

radically changed the history of the 20th century, how do

00:49:55

you like such parallels, I don’t at all a big

00:49:57

supporter of historical parallels, they

00:49:59

usually limp all possible legs.

00:50:02

Because always if we compare

00:50:04

different countries or different historical

00:50:06

periods in one country, we miss a

00:50:09

huge amount of details, a huge

00:50:10

amount of context, the historical

00:50:13

political context in which

00:50:15

Mikhail Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev entered the political scene

00:50:17

is different from of the

00:50:19

historical political context in

00:50:21

which Alexei Navalny emerged as a political country for

00:50:22

literally everyone, so it

00:50:24

seems to me that something useful can never be deduced from this kind of parallel

00:50:31

another country other

00:50:34

conditions another context other everything well

00:50:37

there we noticed the similarities I don’t know there

00:50:39

this tall this tall or there is this

00:50:43

red-haired and this red-haired And what next, how does

00:50:46

this help us in our work, how does this

00:50:48

help us understand the decision, is the

00:50:50

current ruling class from

00:50:53

Putin’s entourage giving some signs to your team?

00:50:57

They say we mean that there is a politician

00:50:58

Navalny and he can return Russia is

00:51:00

the station of civilized countries and to reconcile

00:51:03

with the West, you are not receiving such signals

00:51:05

Or maybe let me take the

00:51:09

side of the optimists for now,

00:51:12

do you have a feeling that repressions

00:51:16

against the opposition are out of the

00:51:18

control of the Kremlin and it’s kind of becoming

00:51:20

like a skating rink from a movie cartoon

00:51:24

Well, wait, when the wolf runs ahead and the

00:51:27

skating rink follows him,

00:51:29

listen, no, because the repression

00:51:32

remains quite targeted, they

00:51:34

remain quite targeted.

00:51:36

We haven’t had mass repression since 1937. You are

00:51:40

really uncontrolled when

00:51:41

planned targets would simply be sent down to the ground,

00:51:43

and so on, on the contrary, it’s quite

00:51:46

indicative there is Let's say the investigative

00:51:47

group on the so-called FBK case,

00:51:49

which is headed by such a scum of

00:51:51

investigators, a very unpleasant person,

00:51:55

such a careerist, who was raised from the region

00:51:58

to Moscow And he makes

00:51:59

big stars for himself in this case,

00:52:02

enjoying his powers with his

00:52:04

cruelty, but we see that in all the

00:52:06

high-profile investigative actions that are taking

00:52:09

place as part of this case, he himself

00:52:11

goes there; we recently had some

00:52:13

searches in Kemerovo, regular ones within the framework of the

00:52:15

FBK departments, which have been valued for more than three years,

00:52:16

Vidyukov himself comes there; there were

00:52:19

some investigative actions somewhere

00:52:21

there; you’ll have time; I don’t remember in Tomsk or in

00:52:23

In Arkhangelsk, he himself goes everywhere, that is,

00:52:25

it would seem that there is a huge apparatus there. Give

00:52:27

instructions to scale up the place. You want to

00:52:30

cover more people with repressions like

00:52:32

scale up. But no, anyway, this is

00:52:33

some kind of very small

00:52:35

group, as if from the key Gestapo men, and

00:52:38

there, apparently torn to pieces and being

00:52:42

swamped with papers trying to

00:52:45

cope with the increased volume of

00:52:47

work no, we see that

00:52:50

the repression remains targeted, while of

00:52:52

course their scale is gradually increasing

00:52:55

and they are becoming more and more cruel,

00:52:58

it was impossible to imagine 7 years

00:53:00

old just a year ago the last

00:53:04

recent story is the re-arrest of Leonid

00:53:08

Gozman this is from which Gozman’s operas,

00:53:12

especially the repeated one, it was also almost

00:53:13

impossible to imagine Gozman

00:53:15

still passed through the category of systemic

00:53:18

liberals who, uh, it was not

00:53:21

customary to touch them. Well, then, on the

00:53:23

one hand, it’s clear that Gozman is

00:53:25

being pushed to leave, and on the other

00:53:27

hand, it’s so you Let him leave. Why should

00:53:29

he be re-arrested? Of course,

00:53:31

that’s all. Well, that is, the fact that the

00:53:35

repressive pressure is increasing is a completely

00:53:37

obvious thing, that cases that

00:53:39

were previously just a few are now

00:53:41

being argued there in dozens and even

00:53:43

hundreds. This is an obvious thing about a

00:53:46

system that has gotten out of control.

00:53:49

Well, there are many thousands of cases. there is no talk yet,

00:53:52

but we can come there,

00:53:53

of course we can

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00:53:59

we are located in the city of Vilnius.

00:54:02

Every year the Free Russia Forum takes place here

00:54:04

in different formats. Why are you and

00:54:07

your team ignoring this meeting?

00:54:09

Because there is only one life. It is very short

00:54:12

and it is

00:54:14

endlessly necessary to distribute wisely

00:54:16

resources We are

00:54:18

not a very large team We have a

00:54:21

very large portfolio of projects

00:54:22

that we are involved in implementing and our

00:54:26

approach is very businesslike We

00:54:29

understand perfectly well that it is impossible to do

00:54:32

everything that you want to do, you need to set

00:54:34

priorities Our all our colleagues, all

00:54:39

employees of the funds really shepherd They don’t

00:54:43

work 24/7. We have such a business

00:54:48

approach to applying to the distribution of

00:54:51

our resources, all these years we don’t

00:54:53

understand why it is worth investing

00:54:56

precious time in the work of this

00:55:01

respected forum, and I will repeat that

00:55:03

many decent people come there and

00:55:09

discuss

00:55:11

interesting initiatives, but in general,

00:55:14

well, we have our portfolio of projects

00:55:16

that we are working on, trying to make it

00:55:19

as efficient as possible and how to

00:55:21

spend three days talking with

00:55:24

nice people in a pleasant environment.

00:55:26

We don’t see how this brings us

00:55:28

closer to achieving our goals,

00:55:29

the forum has chosen an understandable one for itself

00:55:33

and a wonderful niche they are now

00:55:37

trying to

00:55:39

represent the interests of this New

00:55:42

wave of immigration of the Russian diaspora and

00:55:45

this is a cool and wonderful task,

00:55:48

but but you are not there because

00:55:52

we are not involved in the Russian political

00:55:53

organization that is fighting for power in

00:55:55

Russia and is engaged in representing the

00:55:57

interests of anti-Kritin-minded

00:55:59

Russians, Russian Voters For us,

00:56:01

this is our focus and under

00:56:04

no circumstances should we lose focus. Everyone should do

00:56:06

what they can do well.

00:56:09

After the start of the war, according to

00:56:12

various estimates, about 300-400 thousand

00:56:14

people left Russia. Anti-Putin-minded

00:56:17

Russians before the start of the war were also 30-40 million

00:56:20

according to various sources, about 30% of Voters

00:56:23

now, I think there are more of them, that is, they left

00:56:26

No more than one hundredth of the 99 percent

00:56:30

remained there These are our tasks, our

00:56:32

projects are aimed at those who stayed, we

00:56:35

are trying to do something with them, and at the same time,

00:56:37

there are people who took on themselves a

00:56:41

noble mission to do something with those

00:56:44

and for those who left, but

00:56:48

but again, well, it’s like, well, everyone

00:56:52

should mind their own business,

00:56:56

say that FBK is doing something wrong there,

00:56:59

and FBK don’t go to the Free

00:57:01

Russia forum, that’s about it the same thing is that FPC

00:57:03

is doing something wrong because they are

00:57:05

involved in animal protection or issues, I don’t

00:57:08

know. There

00:57:12

are many different right topics

00:57:15

that need to be dealt with, but we have

00:57:19

our focus, we are not going to

00:57:21

move away from it, many people are against the war, you

00:57:24

talked about this Who is inside

00:57:26

Russia outside and help as best they can,

00:57:29

for example, Mr. Chichvarkin is an

00:57:31

entrepreneur, he organizes

00:57:32

the delivery of medicines in Ukraine, there are

00:57:35

other people who, for example, Dmitry

00:57:38

Muratov gave part of the

00:57:42

funds,

00:57:44

put up a Nobel medal for auction

00:57:48

for more than 100 million dollars, this

00:57:51

money went to through an

00:57:53

organization to help children,

00:57:57

Ukrainians are calling Russians who are

00:58:00

against the war do not collect money for

00:58:02

medicines to help and to help refugees

00:58:04

from stupidly buying bayraktars and transferring

00:58:07

them to the whole How do you feel about such a challenge

00:58:10

Yes, I answered this question In an interview with

00:58:12

Ilya Azar and I was very much criticized for this,

00:58:14

including by Ukrainians but I will

00:58:17

nevertheless repeat my position,

00:58:19

maybe I’ll explain it in a little more detail so that

00:58:21

the context is clear, uh, Ilya from the army

00:58:23

asked why you don’t call for

00:58:25

donations to the whole army, I said that I think it

00:58:28

would be a big mistake, keeping in mind that I

00:58:30

speak Russian to a Russian

00:58:33

audience and turning to Russia Let's

00:58:36

take a closer look at this issue

00:58:38

and now collect from the Russians who are in

00:58:42

Russia, and we have already said that our

00:58:44

audience is the FBK audience,

00:58:46

Navalny's team is a plant that

00:58:47

is in Russia. We work

00:58:49

primarily with them to encourage them to donate to the

00:58:51

armed forces of Ukraine, that is

00:58:54

Using the funds of the Russian

00:58:55

banking system, he commits actions

00:58:57

that will be classified there under

00:58:59

articles of the Criminal Code

00:59:01

for up to 15-20 years, this means, well, just

00:59:04

setting them up. This means giving the FSB

00:59:09

the ground for some huge number of

00:59:11

criminal cases, and such criminal cases are

00:59:13

already arising now Because there are

00:59:15

people who react emotionally

00:59:18

to some calls and send

00:59:19

some penny to help,

00:59:22

this is again a story about the issue of

00:59:26

priorities and reasonable distribution of

00:59:29

limited resources

00:59:32

as politics is correct, I have been involved in

00:59:35

politics for many years, but still a

00:59:36

person from

00:59:38

project management and I have been

00:59:41

involved in managing IT projects for many years.

00:59:43

Well, I always want to do everything

00:59:47

in a smart way, solve it in a reasonable way, solve an

00:59:50

optimization problem, there are

00:59:53

few resources, there are a lot of them, how to

00:59:55

distribute resources so that the problem

00:59:57

is solved as efficiently as possible,

01:00:00

we have an information resource, we

01:00:03

have it thanks to 10 over the years of work of the

01:00:05

anti-corruption fund, a large

01:00:07

base of supporters has accumulated. We have millions of

01:00:09

subscribers on our various social

01:00:12

channels, we decided for ourselves, we are doing

01:00:15

such a thing, we are not directing our resources to

01:00:19

buy baraktar. Because

01:00:21

all our resources combined are not

01:00:23

enough even for one Bayraktar, we

01:00:25

are directing them towards development to

01:00:27

expand our information channel

01:00:28

so that the Truth can reach as

01:00:32

many people there as possible, here

01:00:35

we have during the war on the channel

01:00:38

popular politics only

01:00:40

440 million views 440 million

01:00:43

views of different videos

01:00:46

let’s say there Mr. Podolyak Yes advisor to the

01:00:50

head of Zelensky’s office Very Dear,

01:00:53

is a frequent guest of our broadcast

01:00:54

thanks to the resources that we

01:00:57

invested in the creation of our channel, the purchase of

01:00:59

equipment to promote this content, we

01:01:02

were able to show live on air without censoring without stopping,

01:01:05

which is cool,

01:01:08

smart, very well formulated by tens of

01:01:10

millions of people in Russia for all this

01:01:13

money. made a huge

01:01:15

impression it changes it continues

01:01:17

to change the attitude every day for all this

01:01:20

money that we spent on our

01:01:22

development of our YouTube channels there for

01:01:24

the purchase of equipment and the salaries of the presenters

01:01:27

again we would not have bought even half a brektar

01:01:28

This is a question simply of the effectiveness of

01:01:32

application

01:01:33

Dmitry Muratov

01:01:36

it was 100 million dollars, we do

01:01:37

n’t dream of such money, 100 million

01:01:39

dollars can already be done something

01:01:41

consciously, that is, both in military terms and in

01:01:44

humanitarian terms, this is serious

01:01:46

money, which are Defense T-shirts, those resources

01:01:50

that we have at our disposal, what

01:01:52

we collect with donations what we collect

01:01:54

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01:01:56

with the help of our crowdfunding These

01:01:59

resources are two orders of magnitude smaller, they are very

01:02:01

limited and when we use them to

01:02:05

build a communication channel with

01:02:07

tens of millions of Russians, we believe

01:02:09

that we are doing the right thing and we

01:02:12

believe that we have found the optimal way

01:02:13

to use of our resources Well, it

01:02:15

turned out that the war found us the owners of the

01:02:20

largest

01:02:23

independent media resource in Russia, and

01:02:25

found Dmitry Muratova the owner of the Nobel

01:02:28

medal. Which means I don’t know Anderson, a

01:02:32

Lithuanian journalist there, a

01:02:34

wonderful

01:02:36

owner of a large information

01:02:38

resource in Lithuania, here is Andryushtopinos.

01:02:41

It’s cool that I came up with the idea of using this

01:02:43

resource to collect cast money

01:02:45

buy bayrat bayrakhtar transfer it to the whole world

01:02:48

we have distributed our resources in a great way

01:02:50

To build an information channel

01:02:52

that will fight propaganda

01:02:54

Muratov has been great distributed

01:02:56

distributed medal This is correct This is a

01:02:58

normal approach when they tell me I am

01:03:01

very angry

01:03:03

you all should stop doing what

01:03:06

you are doing and start donating there all

01:03:08

this is stupid, it’s irrational, well, it

01:03:13

will lead to the fact that okay, she’ll get

01:03:15

some pretty penny that she won’t even

01:03:17

notice, and several hundred Russians will go to prison

01:03:21

for very long sentences, and what’s the point when

01:03:24

they say

01:03:26

coming back from the beginning of our conversation, you’re

01:03:28

doing your smart voting,

01:03:30

idiots, and instead this is something you could do,

01:03:34

I always answer Why instead

01:03:38

why should you do one thing instead of another,

01:03:40

we have a resource for smart voting,

01:03:42

we have been doing it for 4 years, we have collected a base of

01:03:45

supporters, we understand How it works,

01:03:46

we can apply it and only we have it

01:03:49

it is there and it will

01:03:51

hurt Putin somewhere here locally, this is

01:03:53

what prohibits someone from doing something

01:03:56

else, you there, dear

01:03:59

Twitter user, have a resource for

01:04:02

setting fire to military registration and enlistment offices or something like that,

01:04:04

running trains along this course forward

01:04:06

Well done for doing this great, we don’t

01:04:09

know how, no. Unfortunately, I spent

01:04:12

many years building a

01:04:14

legal political organization with

01:04:16

caches of weapons, and that means some kind of

01:04:19

trained saboteurs. If you have it, it’s

01:04:21

great. Let the flowers be all that can bring

01:04:25

Putin’s movement closer, all that can

01:04:28

bring the end of the war closer. everything is cool,

01:04:30

but everything needs to be done this way, everyone needs to

01:04:34

do what they can do well. Why do

01:04:36

they have the right prerequisites? Why do they

01:04:38

have resources on all possible

01:04:40

fronts, all possible sides are pouring in,

01:04:42

creating problems for Putin,

01:04:44

economic, military, internal political,

01:04:46

external political, whatever, and

01:04:48

this type of maximalism no you are doing it

01:04:51

wrong you should do this We always

01:04:55

hear from people who

01:04:56

don’t do a damn thing

01:04:58

[music]

01:05:06

last chapter

01:05:08

beautiful Russia of the future

01:05:10

please tell me today with a Russian

01:05:13

passport it is very difficult to move around

01:05:16

Europe outside the country and the negative

01:05:20

attitude is already becoming

01:05:23

common a phenomenon in at least

01:05:25

some countries where close people have lived for

01:05:27

three years and have never encountered

01:05:30

negative relations; anyway, this is an

01:05:32

issue that is being discussed. Tell me

01:05:34

if the government changes and the negative image of

01:05:38

Russia is still there. And there is

01:05:41

no escape from it. Is it necessary to change

01:05:43

the format at all? countries should they make a new

01:05:46

game, a new coat of arms was the German

01:05:49

Democratic Republic united

01:05:50

and it returned to

01:05:53

the federal Republic of Germany Was

01:05:55

Was Upper Volta became history knows

01:05:58

many examples I counted 10 when

01:06:01

the name of the country was changed Constitution and

01:06:03

so on the last time with vaselent

01:06:05

I changed the name of Svatine so as not to get

01:06:07

confused from Switzerland

01:06:08

we don’t seem to have such a problem, you see

01:06:11

such a problem, in order not to change the image of

01:06:14

Russia, it will be necessary to change everything that I

01:06:16

listed, the coat of arms, anthem, name, and so

01:06:19

on. Well, as in the famous joke, it is

01:06:22

still necessary not to rearrange the bed, but

01:06:26

I understand with what. Well, that is to change the

01:06:29

image of Russia I don’t think that

01:06:32

cosmetic changes will help, it’s important to change the

01:06:36

essence of

01:06:38

that state, which will be the

01:06:40

Russia of the future, of course Putin has messed up

01:06:43

things that we have to sort out

01:06:46

over the course of

01:06:48

not a single year, perhaps not a single

01:06:50

decade of a generation. But again, the experience of

01:06:52

Germany will

01:06:55

serve as an important useful example for us here Russia

01:06:58

has a lot of work to do on itself,

01:07:01

national reflexes, a lot of work to

01:07:04

apply with its neighbors

01:07:06

reconciliation with the whole world,

01:07:09

to return to the family of European nations

01:07:12

where it historically always

01:07:15

belongs, Russia must become a

01:07:17

normal European working

01:07:19

democracy, an open And beautiful

01:07:22

country, these internal changes

01:07:24

seem to me to be significantly more important than external

01:07:27

symbols Well, it’s clear that Putin’s anthem is

01:07:32

also Stalin’s anthem, so to speak, we are not a

01:07:35

fellow traveler to the flag. I don’t have any

01:07:38

such unambiguous

01:07:39

relationship, to be honest, uh, as for the

01:07:43

Constitution, here are the photos. We will

01:07:45

need to rewrite the Constitution radically

01:07:47

because Like you and I already It was

01:07:50

the Constitution that was discussed, to a large extent, that

01:07:51

allowed Putin to become Putin from a

01:07:54

small St. Petersburg mafia OK from a large

01:07:58

St. Petersburg mafia to become the richest

01:08:01

man in the world and bloody

01:08:04

I still, well, that is, once again there are

01:08:07

internal structural changes

01:08:09

cosmetic

01:08:11

Collective responsibility must for the

01:08:13

people to repent for the crime dictator

01:08:17

and is it typical or is it Russian or the

01:08:19

Russian people, a

01:08:23

broad question,

01:08:26

Russians must Realize what happened

01:08:30

from this, an

01:08:33

individual awareness of guilt or

01:08:35

responsibility will grow for each of them, I am

01:08:37

still not a very big supporter of the ideas of

01:08:40

collective responsibility,

01:08:43

many

01:08:46

citizens of our country

01:08:49

continue to not understand what is happening

01:08:52

continue to defend themselves continue

01:08:54

to hide from reality

01:08:59

I really hope that when I really

01:09:02

hope that when we get through to them and

01:09:06

when they understand what really

01:09:07

happened and what they were a part of they

01:09:11

will really feel ashamed

01:09:15

this does not mean

01:09:17

that

01:09:21

this does not mean that the Russian people as

01:09:26

such will remain for many years

01:09:31

or decades an

01:09:33

outcast people who will bear some kind of

01:09:36

special stamp,

01:09:40

but we have a lot of work ahead of us to

01:09:45

reflect on demonstrating the crimes of the

01:09:47

Putin regime so that people

01:09:52

stop associating themselves with this

01:09:54

state that has

01:09:57

screwed up all this so that people learned the lessons of

01:10:05

Leonid's historical mistakes Thank you very much for the conversation

01:10:07

my guests were politician Leonid Volkov

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Политик Леонид Волков - о войне в Украине, о будущем и настоящем Владимира Путина, о феномене Алексея Навального и о коллективной вине россиян, допустивших править Россией обезумевшего диктатора. 00:00 Начало 00:34 В чем феномен Путина? 04:20 Путин — гениальный кадровик? 05:08 Как работает мафиозное государство? 06:35 Какое наказание заслуживает Путин? 09:50 Путин может избежать наказания? 11:34 Почему Путин начал войну? 14:27 Как может смениться власть в России? 15:25 Два сценария поражения российской армии 18:23 Нормально ли желать поражения своей армии? 22:13 Есть ли эмпатия к российским солдатам? 23:51 Как относиться к вернувшимся с фронта? 25:47 Какая проблема будет важнее, чем ветераны? 26:43 Какая разница между ветеранами Чечни, Афганистана и бойцами вернувшимися в украинского фронта? 28:31 Надо ли проводить ревизию путинских наград? 30:36 Что делать с путинскими генералами? 32:24 Причина зверств армии РФ в Украине 37:08 На что могут рассчитывать российские солдаты? 39:01 Справедливы ли ответные удары Украины по инфраструктуре России? 41:17 Готов ли Леонид к распаду России? 43:40 Рамзан Кадыров становится самостоятельной силой? 46:24 Зачем Навального изолируют? 48:49 Навальный – личная добыча Путина. 49:39 В чем феномен Алексея Навального? 50:49 Пытается ли окружение Путина договориться с Навальным? 51:12 Репрессии Кремля вышли из-под контроля? 54:00 Почему команда Навального не участвует в работе Форума Свободной России? 57:22 Должны ли россияне собирать деньги ВСУ? 01:05:06 Надо ли менять образ России после путинизма? 01:08:11 Должны ли россияне покаяться за преступления диктатора? Подпишитесь на канал Радио Свобода https://www.youtube.com/user/SvobodaRadio/?sub_confirmation=1 Включите уведомления о новых видео, нажав на значок колокольчика.

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