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Yes, friends, good evening everyone. Today we00:00:07
have a very interesting conversation ahead of us about how00:00:12
we can communicate with left-wing youth. And not00:00:16
only young people, representatives of the new00:00:19
left and old left00:00:21
will speak to us. Master of Theology00:00:25
Andrey,00:00:27
who has been engaged in mission00:00:30
in this environment for many years Andrey00:00:34
Good evening00:00:42
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our topic of conversation today sounds00:00:48
like a mission among00:00:53
because the topic is very00:01:03
try to describe some Elementary00:01:09
practically00:01:16
Well, first of all, the00:01:19
background the first00:01:22
together among the left00:01:25
has become relevant connection recent years00:01:28
connections with passionarity these are groups00:01:31
connected00:01:34
as they are considered varnish of objective00:01:36
circumstances that shows00:01:37
social issues in my opinion,00:01:40
it was part of the Mission among00:01:45
complex social groups, this is my00:01:48
missionary,00:01:52
non-complementary media00:01:54
and00:01:56
antibody groups on00:01:58
social networks,00:02:02
this is very00:02:05
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You yourself understand that all these audiences are00:02:09
practically00:02:15
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[music]00:02:30
but nevertheless, this is an active interest, part of this00:02:33
hobby it is developing, it has its own00:02:36
specific developments, fruits,00:02:39
first of all, I would like to00:02:42
share,00:02:43
in fact,00:02:46
why I am doing exactly this, I would00:02:49
like to give you as a basis the00:02:52
famous 17th chapter from the book of Acts,00:02:56
now this book is being read during the00:02:59
Easter period, and there in chapter 17 there is a00:03:03
very interesting episode00:03:05
of Japanese Paul among the pagans00:03:09
during which00:03:10
he unexpectedly turns somewhere00:03:14
somewhere quite difficult incomplementary00:03:18
intellectual thicker pagan environment00:03:21
Finnish scholarship00:03:24
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and00:03:34
what he does there does not give results00:03:37
as a justification for large00:03:39
peasants in general other cities00:03:41
especially the European part of the Roman00:03:44
empire Or for example in Asia Minor where00:03:47
Paul personally and founded cared00:03:50
invested great efforts somewhere for example00:03:52
experienced great joy00:03:54
in relation to the Philippians of this community00:03:58
Or for example anxiety as for example00:04:02
in the city of caries and he comes to00:04:05
talk where he enters into polemics with00:04:09
rhetoric one on one physically00:04:11
Moreover, the beginning of his mission begins with00:04:14
the fact that he does not receive a large00:04:18
number of sermons like the Apostle Peter00:04:20
3 or 5 thousand00:04:23
means and compatriots00:04:30
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and00:04:36
guests of the capital residents there are no00:04:39
earthly Premium here, that’s00:04:42
where they call him at first with a vain word, this is the00:04:45
first reaction and in the end they stayed in00:04:47
the areapark they tell you that we will listen to you about00:04:51
this, we will listen to you at another time, that00:04:54
is, they politely refused, sending him00:04:59
until the next round of negotiations, and00:05:03
yet at the end of this chapter we understand00:05:05
that at least one of the converts00:05:07
turned out to be the same Dionysus the revolver00:05:10
who wrote a wonderful essay00:05:13
and he was converted entered into the history of the church00:05:16
as the same one. This is such a paradoxical00:05:20
unusual apostle,00:05:23
it must be said that in terms of complexity, Mrs.00:05:27
of the left is perhaps the most complex00:05:32
and so that our conversation with you00:05:35
on this topic is clearly imprinted, I built00:05:38
a conversation for him about how they like to express themselves00:05:40
dialectically And how we love and00:05:43
be born paradoxically00:05:46
on contrasting judgments that00:05:50
are mutually exclusive to each other in00:05:52
order to emphasize creating the brightness of the00:05:54
picture in the story. The fact is that00:05:58
it went better at first, it would have been possible to immediately00:06:01
abandon the mission, connected due to the00:06:05
extreme complexity of this audience's00:06:07
receptivity in general, the perception is00:06:11
normative00:06:13
in relation to us as representatives00:06:15
of a religious00:06:17
Not speaking of some kind of Christianity and00:06:20
Orthodoxy,00:06:22
but nevertheless,00:06:27
intellectual intuition tells me00:06:29
that this is one of the most active directions00:06:32
with a great medium-00:06:35
long term perspective00:06:38
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Before talking about the main topic, that00:06:44
is, missions among the Neo-Left, water00:06:47
basic data I wanted make a00:06:49
preliminary remark The fact is that00:06:52
we are talking, of course, about the possible00:06:55
coverage of halos00:06:58
using the example of the city of Moscow of all people the game of00:07:01
one Lev whom I personally know and00:07:04
whom I notice. Unfortunately, I still have00:07:07
few people to share with at all on this topic.00:07:11
Who could understand what they are talking about? we are00:07:15
talking about what to say, I met just the00:07:19
opposite reaction when they told me00:07:21
when I shared memories with my brothers like this,00:07:26
a conversation, so to speak, in the kitchen,00:07:29
working together on a complex group,00:07:32
participating, they00:07:33
told me directly that Andrey was just00:07:36
studying. People will never repent00:07:43
and this is a useless waste,00:07:47
therefore the level of00:07:53
our object and you leave your colleagues for now,00:07:59
however,00:08:02
my intuition says that it was00:08:05
necessary to do this a long time ago yesterday,00:08:09
since00:08:13
quite unexpected00:08:15
events are predicted. How is it possible for ours, given the00:08:17
political situation as well as the situation in the00:08:20
world, this option can never be00:08:22
excluded In this historical era of the 21st00:08:25
century in our ambiguous country where00:08:29
the past may turn out to be absolutely00:08:32
the history of the country may be00:08:35
absolutely00:08:37
Well, okay,00:08:40
the mission is quite a strong word. I would00:08:44
like to say that00:08:46
only the primary dialogue in relation to00:08:50
private individuals by the leader of the public00:08:51
among the00:08:54
left00:08:55
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succeeds00:09:00
on the platforms and perhaps the base where00:09:03
we managed to find00:09:05
where left-wing youth gathers that -discusses00:09:11
I would like to00:09:14
dispense with any00:09:18
names and surnames in this water lecture for now, because if the00:09:22
current problems among the left00:09:25
so-called movement are their own00:09:28
internal00:09:30
quarrels And I would not like to00:09:32
be00:09:35
a missionary familiar with different people00:09:38
who contradict each other in terms of those00:09:41
who belong to the category of leaders of00:09:42
public opinion, to be a person00:09:44
who will be drawn to one side or another, did00:09:47
not want to00:09:51
study the00:09:54
principle of00:09:56
studying the left master and the modern00:10:00
movement, of course, arose quite00:10:04
a long time ago, around the00:10:06
year 11, this is00:10:08
where00:10:10
gradually the00:10:20
same00:10:23
[music] is00:10:27
Neo are the main00:10:30
focus groups because if we are talking00:10:33
about official party Leos who00:10:35
are present00:10:37
in the parliamentary assembly of our country, then00:10:41
you can see their official dialogue00:10:43
on the main church-public00:10:45
platforms of00:10:48
our church on the general church, say00:10:52
Christmas 4, we can speak00:10:55
at sections such as00:10:57
Gennady Andreevich00:11:00
and, for example, a representative of legal00:11:03
views00:11:05
on the same sections on different00:11:09
sections Forgive the00:11:12
classical church forum And on the00:11:15
church platform please Where are the00:11:18
very names also present00:11:21
as speakers00:11:22
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practically00:11:39
leaders of public opinion that group of00:11:41
young people who are far from complaining about00:11:44
the communist the party of the Russian00:11:45
Federation is forming its own Bronnitsy,00:11:48
such a chaotic movement,00:11:52
moreover, they criticize the plastic00:11:55
bread and would concern00:11:58
what sociological surveys say,00:12:02
opening from the option to the Levada center00:12:06
until recent events, we see a completely00:12:10
increase in leftist sentiment,00:12:12
this is also these figures. I will give them00:12:15
several times and they are also00:12:18
justification00:12:19
from 70 to 77 percent the role of the request for00:12:25
social justice has been growing sharply in recent years.00:12:29
Surveys on the personalities of00:12:33
public world leaders show00:12:35
that in first place after the program is the name of00:12:39
Russia.00:12:41
When00:12:47
was he able to justify the00:12:49
first place belonging00:12:53
to second place00:12:58
as a person who is able in the00:13:02
public consciousness of the average person to restore00:13:04
order to our country00:13:06
destroy injustice and so on00:13:08
70 and 77 percent for such views00:13:13
is a lot. This means that an00:13:17
environment is being created, there are judicial00:13:21
processes that may not even be00:13:23
recorded if we are not aware of this, I will give00:13:26
another figure,00:13:29
as you know, the church lives after the history of the00:13:34
church and lives it has been happening for the last 10 years, that00:13:37
is, this church has been happening in the00:13:40
information space quite00:13:41
steadily, dynamically and harshly, where from the00:13:46
slightest reason00:13:47
[music] develops00:13:49
and the question of youth arises00:14:04
among the youngest generation00:14:07
thanks to the church, thanks to criticism of the00:14:10
church00:14:12
from the main information sources, the so-00:14:16
called children of YouTube00:14:19
we got here the current result of the work,00:14:23
among a number of reasons that caused this00:14:27
factual church, can be cited,00:14:30
including00:14:33
work on the left and leaders of00:14:37
public opinion, which is aimed at00:14:41
part of the criticism of society and existing00:14:44
systems, including criticism, I00:14:47
will give you another figure so that we do not00:14:50
operate with too monosyllabic00:14:52
parameters of growth Marxist circles in00:14:55
recent years in Russia have00:14:59
grown fivefold,00:15:04
interesting for the study of literary sources00:15:09
for the general discussion of the problem,00:15:14
how gradually a00:15:16
little bit00:15:20
in relation to the protection of one’s rights and the00:15:26
slight growth of the00:15:28
trade union movement,00:15:31
not the official one, namely00:15:34
protest, these three00:15:39
comments let us down in a very00:15:41
interesting way00:15:42
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that00:15:47
this problem is really relevant is still00:15:50
obvious Not everyone understands that it is coming00:15:54
But if you look carefully even00:15:57
at the official00:15:58
term of the speaker of the patriarch all the latest00:16:03
speeches at the same Christmas00:16:06
readings in his segment, these are00:16:09
Christmas parliamentary meetings00:16:11
speech in the Lower House you are convinced00:16:15
that everyone00:16:17
listened Now they said that there is a00:16:20
completely left-wing agenda. This is not just00:16:23
rhetoric regarding the ban, including, for00:16:29
example, the ban on00:16:34
usurious activities, which00:16:36
amounts to00:16:47
social justice from the outside as well as to the Kremlin, and a00:16:50
separate department analyzed the00:16:52
population’s complaint against the patriarchs and of course00:16:54
understands what else our spiritual00:16:57
shepherd has protection, here00:17:01
the patriarch naturally responds to the00:17:04
demands of today's society, read,00:17:06
read sermons for the last00:17:08
dedication of Temples00:17:11
and sermons there, at least a separate00:17:15
paragraph sounds here, a sermon on00:17:19
power and wealth on one00:17:22
Where quite harsh rhetoric sounds,00:17:26
completely00:17:27
unheard of some five years ago,00:17:31
which means some processes are taking place, they00:17:34
still arise00:17:36
Well,00:17:39
in fact,00:17:41
partly this criticism of the church may00:17:51
sound, including the00:18:03
left movement cannot be called00:18:05
such in modern Russia. These are00:18:07
mainly the main groups that are00:18:09
engaged in rethinking their00:18:12
own heritage; it was written in the00:18:15
second half of the 19th century. And they there is a00:18:18
constant ideological dispute among00:18:20
themselves00:18:21
because the mission00:18:25
involves studying both rhetoric and the00:18:28
main ideas of the main agenda, the current00:18:31
discussion00:18:35
even has its own stupidity, even its00:18:38
own theater of various groups, and there is a00:18:41
network structure. A leader of00:18:45
public opinion, in particular, one of the00:18:47
leaders00:18:48
until the moment when the comparison00:18:52
Think about it the moment when the00:18:55
TV channel had a00:18:58
million subscribers and was00:19:02
deleted by YouTube as a result of the obviously00:19:06
famous00:19:08
[music]00:19:10
one of the leaders of the public simply00:19:13
exceeded the territory00:19:16
exceeding the number of00:19:19
TV channel subscribers.00:19:23
That is, you can understand, but with whom exactly00:19:27
do you have to conduct00:19:31
a dialogue, that is, hundreds of thousands these are hundreds of00:19:35
thousands of subscribers, even sometimes00:19:38
approaching a million.00:19:40
You understand what is the influence of broadcasters,00:19:43
including on a daily basis, as if00:19:46
constantly processing their audience and00:19:49
broadcasting their views00:19:54
to all these main groups, they can00:19:57
represent how a00:19:59
network movement is more or less00:20:02
organized structure like focus groups00:20:05
of Russia00:20:07
or compact groups of the highest00:20:10
degree of organization where the responsibilities00:20:13
of everyone are elevated to a00:20:17
level of obedience, real groups do not work00:20:24
and which00:20:27
converge basically00:20:31
which, despite the dispute among themselves,00:20:36
on one thing absolutely00:20:52
regarding the methodology of the00:20:57
mission methodology, first of all, to00:21:00
begin the mission of the left I I think that00:21:03
even among experienced missionaries, probably00:21:07
not everyone00:21:08
will take on this ingratitude and00:21:11
hard work because the first00:21:13
thing you will have to face is the00:21:16
issue of self-education in relation00:21:19
to yourself. So the criterion for studying is00:21:24
that this is an audience that will never00:21:26
come right will not listen to00:21:28
religious outlook on life, you will be00:21:31
forced to simply integrate00:21:34
the format of communication and there00:21:38
fight for the right to speak on an equal footing00:21:41
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among those topics of interests of which they00:21:47
say00:21:48
is happening00:21:51
[music]00:21:57
to study is00:22:13
constantly updated, summarized, rethought00:22:17
public opinion leaders00:22:19
broadcasting the territory as a rule and00:22:21
influencing these groups this is always in a00:22:25
polemical rhetorical sense, these are00:22:27
quite strong opponents, look00:22:30
carefully at the list of guests among the00:22:34
left movement00:22:36
who went together right one after00:22:41
another to the program,00:22:46
for example the Seraphim channel, the YouTube program,00:22:54
and look00:22:56
sometimes. It happened to00:23:03
meet like informal party00:23:07
functionaries, including the leader of00:23:10
public opinion who00:23:12
every day professionally all higher00:23:15
education personal beliefs are engaged in00:23:18
exactly what we do we are engaged in the00:23:22
mission rhetoric exercises in polemics00:23:26
and so on and communication is not just with the00:23:30
audience as if where else to find this00:23:35
communication involves both00:23:39
social media and among them there are candidates for00:23:42
doctorate in historical science it00:23:45
will always be unconditionally00:23:47
strong the strongest exceeding your00:23:50
intellectual level00:23:52
[applause]00:23:53
opponents it’s better to say00:23:56
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the relationship, strictly speaking, with those with whom we00:24:03
are talking should certainly be not00:24:06
just respectfully human but also with the00:24:09
understanding that including for them00:24:12
is not00:24:14
our enemies opponents more In addition, one00:24:17
must certainly approach it with great care00:24:22
and constantly study their00:24:26
own symbolically00:24:29
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official generally accepted texts. So,00:24:34
including an attempt to create the first00:24:36
outline00:24:38
after studying rhetoric, of course,00:24:40
the effect of the year comes, you will want to personally00:24:44
get to know someone or in a Personal leader of00:24:47
public opinion, this00:24:49
process is really happening he has00:24:52
already managed to get acquainted with some00:24:56
[music]00:24:58
representatives, this process will also00:25:01
continue as acquaintance with ordinary00:25:04
members of the00:25:07
group, this happens privately00:25:10
and after00:25:12
discussion clubs and other00:25:14
official meetings that00:25:16
you come to00:25:18
because they will never come to the00:25:21
church audience site00:25:27
you have first acquaintances,00:25:29
contacts appear,00:25:34
dialogue is by far the most advantageous form00:25:37
in this sense of the mission, since what00:25:41
is being done basically now is an00:25:44
absentee polemic, as it were, of00:25:47
whites against reds, which00:25:50
people of the church00:25:53
look at00:25:54
with interest, then at one another or00:25:59
with some indifference or maybe00:26:04
be This is an absolutely losing path,00:26:09
you need to abandon ethereal correspondence00:26:12
polemics and transfer and move on;00:26:17
specific people should definitely00:26:19
meet and you need to talk through the very00:26:22
most unpleasant00:26:26
contents00:26:29
of what the conversation is actually about00:26:33
[music]00:26:35
The fact is that00:26:37
of course there is a register of topic questions00:26:40
that is always ready00:26:44
talk about people who hold00:26:46
left-wing political views, these are both their00:26:48
own topics and the topic regarding00:26:53
leftist ideology and the church of the history of Russia00:26:56
and problems of modernity,00:27:01
justice of00:27:03
various historical problems, the topic of the00:27:06
church of the00:27:09
death of the royal family, and so on. This is a00:27:13
rather00:27:14
impressive list of topics so far we have probably been able to00:27:18
count more or less 30 pieces00:27:25
having studied them,00:27:30
at least a very quite spacious00:27:33
reference book, it is impossible to somehow00:27:35
reflect on this topic because00:27:38
about any gospel,00:27:41
religious topics will not get the opportunity00:27:44
and right and space00:27:46
If you00:27:49
cannot conduct a dialogue at the same time, for00:28:01
example, the number of schools and churches00:28:05
in modern Russia, classical00:28:07
left-wing rhetoric and left The question on this00:28:11
topic is that00:28:14
two parameters have been recorded: that the number of00:28:17
churches has exceeded the number of schools in our00:28:21
country,00:28:22
and this is considered just an attack00:28:26
on the church at the same time00:28:28
towards the state and00:28:32
state relations, which a00:28:36
review of the harmony of which00:28:40
is interpreted by them as unconditionally supporting00:28:42
everything and everything that happens00:28:44
on the part of the ruling regime of our country.00:28:49
Therefore, in this sense,00:28:53
such a simple example shows that it00:28:58
will immediately mark how much you00:29:02
begin to disassemble this argument00:29:04
by bringing it,00:29:07
you should, for example, immediately say that00:29:10
schools and churches are built by completely two00:29:14
different subjects of our society,00:29:18
that is, despite despite the fact that a number of00:29:21
companies have renovated a00:29:24
number of historical monasteries and built00:29:27
temples within the territory of their own00:29:30
departments. Or for example,00:29:33
temples of such representation of00:29:35
historical significance nevertheless do not00:29:39
amount to, if not a thousandth, but definitely00:29:41
hundredths of a percent of the total number of00:29:44
temples built by simple ordinary00:29:47
people belonging to the simplest00:29:50
ordinary class people are exactly the same00:29:53
people from which environment they came from,00:29:55
marking themselves as00:29:59
not built at the expense of the state because the00:30:01
second argument is00:30:05
the number of churches built in 30 years during the era of the00:30:09
collapse and revival of the state and00:30:12
any00:30:13
large object is built in our country00:30:16
only under the guarantee of the government or the00:30:21
signed attention of the Federal00:30:23
public opinion00:30:25
round point infrastructure00:30:27
objects Where00:30:29
nothing can be stolen for the construction of00:30:31
temples is my actually speaking a00:30:34
completely different picture That is, in00:30:36
other words, different because if00:30:39
the state built temples no00:30:42
temples would have been built that the money00:30:44
would have been stolen as00:30:46
in many cases However, this does not00:30:49
happen the number of churches, of course,00:30:52
and00:30:54
the speakers that are not being built indicate00:30:56
that the main fact of the setting there00:30:59
is certainly the efforts of Christian00:31:02
communities as a missionary of the00:31:05
church being repaired, closely following the00:31:08
agenda of00:31:10
repair and restoration work. I00:31:12
can tell you very clearly that00:31:15
no funding without an00:31:20
idea will give the super-motivational00:31:23
participation of the Christian community you can00:31:26
build no crane If you are not00:31:29
guided solely by00:31:31
the love of the temple publishing house by religious00:31:34
feelings because00:31:36
modern builders are00:31:41
modern construction this is such a00:31:43
strange00:31:47
[music]00:31:48
business in which it00:31:51
would seem00:31:54
possible to build anything, however00:31:56
this may not happen in other00:31:59
words the00:32:00
church is being built temples are being built by ordinary00:32:04
people the construction of schools, of course, and the00:32:07
hospital is located on the shores of the state, the00:32:10
church of our country complies with00:32:13
the Constitution,00:32:16
Article 13 of the basic law of the Constitution of00:32:20
the countries is separated from the state, and therefore we have no participation in00:32:24
the construction of the hospital school.00:32:27
Therefore, we do not control this process in any way and therefore00:32:30
it is completely legal for00:32:32
others00:32:33
and that’s when you master rhetoric00:32:36
Come say so yourself00:32:40
and you draw the following conclusion that the church00:32:44
turned out to be the00:32:46
organization that at this stage for the00:32:49
last 30 years has shown itself to be a00:32:52
progressor when everything in our00:32:56
country was00:32:58
occupied; nevertheless, the church has shown00:33:02
that it is able to00:33:03
very quickly build or00:33:06
open00:33:11
another on a massive scale counter-argumentation is,00:33:14
of course, a general assessment of the view of the00:33:18
religion of the00:33:20
main00:33:22
groups and the representative of religion, the first00:33:26
thing I wanted to say to the majority of00:33:30
the environment there is still a very large00:33:34
number of topics like religion, churches00:33:37
bordering on quite00:33:40
sometimes even strange ignorance, on the00:33:43
other hand00:33:45
there are specialists who are trying to00:33:47
deal with religion from the position of secular00:33:50
religious studies where skating study00:33:53
is an attempt to00:33:56
retell the00:33:57
emergence of the basic00:34:00
theories of origin based on the first ones that appeared in the school00:34:06
[music]00:34:07
moreover, the most prominent representative of the00:34:14
criticism of religion is, of course, to00:34:17
whom they appeal since the00:34:20
classics of Marxism appealed to this on the00:34:23
religious issue, this is the position of Ludwik00:34:26
von farmer here is a00:34:29
philosopher of the 19th century where the main00:34:33
view is formulated mainly in the00:34:36
work of the essence of Christianity00:34:38
which It is clear In our country the criticized ones00:34:40
are taught in the course of basic theology00:34:43
in a theological school, in particular in a theological00:34:47
seminar somewhere in course 1 2 here are the00:34:54
main articles above, of course, what I00:34:57
managed so far, to reveal not what is in the00:35:00
general left Legacy is what is being exaggerated00:35:03
if there is a certain one00:35:07
I would also like to say a few words00:35:10
about the format of the mission,00:35:15
as I have already said repeatedly, they will00:35:18
never come00:35:21
to a neutral site at your invitation. Moreover, to the00:35:24
temple site, even if you00:35:27
watch the Soviet cinema I am at the00:35:29
same time the moderator of the00:35:32
missionary film club and I assure you there is00:35:35
no interest in watching and discussing even00:35:38
Soviet cinema on a church site, here is a00:35:42
rather scandalous film of their00:35:45
own site for the owners, they00:35:47
can and you have a great00:35:50
opportunity to come and speculate on the topic,00:35:52
it will be interesting00:35:54
for them have their own discussion00:35:57
clubs00:35:58
have a place Meeting place as for example00:36:10
there were at00:36:11
least a thousand people the00:36:32
topic of religion00:36:35
in some where a fairly neutral00:36:39
attitude of the church is recognized How at least00:36:42
some kind of traditional value00:36:44
is discussed in the Academic calm00:36:47
key you always have the opportunity to00:36:48
come these rare clubs are present and00:36:53
speculate, for example,00:36:55
about one of Dostoevsky’s novels00:36:58
precisely as a Christian writer from a00:37:01
Christian point of view, an attempt to somehow00:37:05
reflect on the writer’s work00:37:08
from a Christian point of view, since within the00:37:12
framework of the search for00:37:14
higher and secret meanings of the great00:37:18
Russian writer,00:37:20
this is an acceptable format, hardly ever in the00:37:27
near future hosts or co-hosts,00:37:30
so far I have at least managed00:37:33
to give an interview in one00:37:42
where I spoke00:37:44
exclusively from a non-complementary special00:37:48
point of view about the life of the parish,00:37:51
I wanted to see that Prague that is usually00:37:54
not accepted. You00:37:56
need to have great00:37:58
art of storytelling to calmly talk about the00:38:01
pros and cons of00:38:03
parish life, nevertheless00:38:08
and do it quite honestly This is not an00:38:11
easy task, but the00:38:12
second thing is that you00:38:14
can of course speak out on a burning body.00:38:17
As a missionary,00:38:20
for this you need to have command of the word and00:38:24
speak out in such a00:38:27
specific way that allows you to00:38:30
speak00:38:35
from the clergy from the background of00:38:39
our conversation, you need to understand that00:38:43
not everyone succeeded00:38:45
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efficient and balanced participation in the mission in the00:38:50
left movement, we have both00:38:52
positive and negative examples.00:38:54
For example, the story of00:38:57
one priest who ran his00:38:59
own channel00:39:00
[music]00:39:03
cyberpop who spoke00:39:05
positively about the00:39:08
personality of Lenin, by and large, without00:39:12
being able to speak out00:39:15
objectively and pointing out the advantages00:39:18
[music]00:39:19
indicative drama of a historical00:39:22
figure did not work out, it turned out to be00:39:25
completely deserved criticism00:39:27
from our00:39:30
missionary priests and it00:39:33
ended00:39:34
[applause]00:39:36
pushed, as it seems to me, including a00:39:40
more speedy parting of the sacred00:39:44
So this is not sad, the other is00:39:47
Of course00:39:50
He tried to speak at different00:39:54
among the leaders of public opinions and their00:39:57
YouTube channels, but we understand perfectly well00:39:59
that a priest who has formed00:40:02
himself is of interest as a00:40:04
person who has developed00:40:07
in front of the left movement. That is, just00:40:10
remaining or parting ways with00:40:12
the religious,00:40:14
he would be much more interesting for the00:40:17
affairs of the mission if he did not refuse to00:40:20
find his father and nevertheless, he would speak in a calm,00:40:23
balanced manner, conducting00:40:26
a dialogue at the level of the work of thought. This00:40:30
was not enough. For example, you can00:40:33
cite the experience of the probably deceased00:40:37
protoria of all waves,00:40:39
who in00:40:44
recent years, having understood what was happening00:40:48
in the country,00:40:49
pointed out that it is00:40:53
necessary to conduct a dialogue00:40:56
not just with the00:40:59
opposition, including the left00:41:06
for everyone00:41:09
and I personally directly witnessed00:41:12
when he could speak at some00:41:14
rally, including the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, where00:41:17
all the leftists converged.00:41:19
According to the general theme and agenda of the protest00:41:23
against pension reforms, he00:41:25
spoke with his own agenda,00:41:29
spoke about social justice from the00:41:32
point of view of Christianity,00:41:34
blessed only for good deeds and00:41:37
managed to come up with his agenda00:41:39
was in demand00:41:41
Unfortunately, it’s been almost three years now00:41:44
And now we don’t know such a00:41:47
priest Who would do such a balanced thing00:41:49
And the last round table00:41:53
Today we can safely mark the00:41:56
tenth anniversary of the last time it was00:41:59
held00:42:00
[music]00:42:02
Yes 10 years00:42:05
10 years ago, not a single priest00:42:08
came forward00:42:10
and told you about what the main00:42:17
main problem is in the00:42:21
internal ideological environment that00:42:24
is directly related to us and the00:42:27
church of our country. The00:42:29
fact is that something that spurs and does not00:42:33
leave does not let go of my interest00:42:35
among Well, it would be00:42:37
good if we were talking about leftist ideology,00:42:42
including the nourishment of the00:42:44
materialist world of contemplation,00:42:46
which is the fruit of an incorrectly00:42:53
posed fundamental question in the00:42:55
history of philosophy about relationships. The00:43:00
fact is that there is a completely00:43:03
practical consequence of the first two00:43:05
provisions00:43:07
[music]00:43:10
is aggressive secularism Let00:43:13
me remind you for those who don’t know what00:43:17
secularism is. This is the concept of00:43:20
crowding out the church of public life,00:43:23
the solution of the00:43:26
religious00:43:27
worldview, even the rights to stay00:43:32
[music]00:43:33
so the first This represents00:43:37
exactly the biggest and primary problem00:43:40
that needs to be solved.00:43:43
It is impossible to talk about the number of00:43:46
baptized substances neolil yet this is how it00:43:49
works.00:43:51
The fact is that that negative00:43:54
critical environment It feeds,00:43:56
unfortunately, also largely due to the sometimes00:44:01
aggressive intensity00:44:05
towards the church where this is presented as00:44:08
feeding and emphasizing one’s own00:44:12
declarative materialism00:44:16
and therefore it is not a criticism of the church00:44:19
because the church is there itself behaves badly00:44:21
because this happens, among other things,00:44:24
in order to emphasize one’s own00:44:27
ideological views. And we already know00:44:30
from the experience of the 20th century what happened00:44:33
when the00:44:34
victorious leftist ideology in the country As a00:44:38
result of the00:44:41
historical00:44:43
philosophical current situation,00:44:52
official state atheism I00:44:54
thought we felt the consequences of this in the00:44:58
twentieth century and we still have Centuries00:45:01
to analyze00:45:03
[music]00:45:04
the history of the 20th century and the tragedy of the Russian00:45:07
Church in our country, therefore the main00:45:10
main task, of course, the main00:45:13
macros is, of course, reducing the00:45:16
degree of00:45:20
aggressiveness of secular rhetoric00:45:22
that00:45:23
now sounds00:45:27
academically or not academically in the left environment00:45:31
by developing the mythologem of the religion of the church00:45:35
moreover, he00:45:37
works out00:45:39
and conducts a direct dialogue,00:45:43
sometimes he is in the argument itself00:45:51
at one more point I wanted00:45:56
The fact is that the first reaction, especially00:45:59
with00:46:01
[music]00:46:03
rhetoric and polemics of an absentee nature,00:46:06
which at first was of such a primary00:46:09
nature and as in relation to00:46:13
strident atheist groups on social00:46:17
networks and in relation to00:46:20
information resources and groups on social networks of the left,00:46:27
the Internet was approximately the same, as is known in its dialogue,00:46:30
it has one amazing feature there is00:46:34
not considered freshness and the norm of decency,00:46:39
that is,00:46:41
such an appeal to you almost immediately00:46:44
as a verund [ __ ] or00:46:48
freak was, as it were, the most one of00:46:52
acceptable00:46:54
expressions that sound you00:46:56
need to have some kind of universal patience00:47:00
in order to conduct a dialogue on the topic Who00:47:04
reacts to the comments that00:47:08
you make Try you speak00:47:11
Try to speak to me as a00:47:13
stranger at least not using a00:47:18
sentence You cannot speak then and00:47:22
the dialogue will be stopped00:47:27
but in In general, the00:47:29
degree of dissatisfaction that feeds this00:47:32
environment of the protest address is00:47:35
also there, it is a constant active00:47:39
environment that feeds criticism in the00:47:42
church in our society, and this is where we00:47:45
need to direct our series and remove all the00:47:47
false paradigms of the mythologem. This00:47:50
is, as it were, macro and immediate00:47:53
macro task in terms of coverage and methodology00:47:58
One of the most primary tasks00:48:03
Well, and the last one, concluding according to forecasts and00:48:07
plans, there are00:48:08
certainly plans to get acquainted with the00:48:10
main leaders of coverage in the Moscow00:48:14
region and including the city and region00:48:17
which are leaders of public00:48:20
opinion, establishing constant contact00:48:23
in order to conduct such full-fledged00:48:27
business culture00:48:29
Nothing argues, clarifies00:48:34
your rhetoric and makes it quality00:48:39
like directly00:48:41
[music]00:48:42
because00:48:45
you just don’t understand00:48:51
so the format should definitely00:48:53
continue years in some organizations00:48:56
were spent on being one of the00:49:00
debaters on this or that on the basis of00:49:04
let’s say00:49:06
not criticized equal points of view00:49:10
in addition to all the others, that is, the point00:49:12
of view of a religious person, the reflection00:49:15
of a missionary on certain problems00:49:19
raised in society, for example, the00:49:21
next discussion club that00:49:24
I will go to will be the problems of artificial00:49:26
intelligence. Try to think about the00:49:29
problem of artificial intelligence so00:49:31
that00:49:32
your position is from the point of view of a religious00:49:35
person it didn’t look like what00:49:38
it looked like on the contrary, progressive00:49:40
winning in relation to the territory and you00:49:43
understand that you definitely need to00:49:45
prepare and prepare to00:49:48
become a recognizable face not to allow00:49:52
this00:49:55
aggressive secular00:49:58
degree00:50:02
created by critics because all this00:50:05
will result in the very same and Add the00:50:08
very percentages that they are horrified by00:50:12
[music]00:50:14
all those who are interested in00:50:16
the reaction of society on the basis of00:50:20
sociological surveys, the last one is00:50:23
perhaps such a00:50:26
list of general ones. I would like to00:50:30
finish here for now and answer your question.00:50:32
Thank you.00:50:37
Yes, you can ask the question Aleksandrovich.00:50:42
I would like to forgive you, maybe even from the00:50:45
other side here.00:50:50
there is, as it were, a problem about external people, this is00:50:53
understandable. But I wanted another topic. But it is00:50:56
even more important. This is precisely the00:50:59
leftist mood in the church environment. That00:51:04
is, as if, for example, we don’t00:51:06
take, for example, Prokhanov there, or to the00:51:10
point of a colonel who is generally00:51:13
some kind of then radical00:51:16
Orthodox Stalinists, yes But besides them there00:51:20
are also priests and rulers. I’m already00:51:24
talking about that is, who00:51:27
speak complementarily about the USSR, that00:51:30
is,00:51:33
[music]00:51:37
about their youth.00:51:39
We have this in the church environment, this is a00:51:43
problem. I’m talking about there.00:51:47
And how are you you see, this is exactly another decision in00:51:53
our00:51:54
church environment, it’s also like a00:51:57
disease. That’s what00:51:59
they asked about, an absolutely important00:52:03
question that00:52:10
has a lot of layers and you00:52:14
probably need to answer it by explaining, as it were, a00:52:18
whole series of things in detail, I’ll try to00:52:20
briefly understand what’s the matter here’s yours00:52:24
the question just emphasizes the00:52:26
need from the Mission to study the left00:52:29
paths in general in the matter of internal mission,00:52:32
even if not a single person can be00:52:35
brought to the right, and so far I have managed to00:52:38
move to the level of advising the purchase of00:52:41
Bibles for the children of their own children and the00:52:45
first excursion of the left took place,00:52:47
told how00:52:51
[music]00:52:52
strictly speaking,00:52:54
as a historical matter until baptism00:52:58
at night, and nevertheless, even the study of the left00:53:02
in a critical manner and in general phenologists,00:53:06
especially the history of the 20th century in our country,00:53:08
for the work of the mission is also00:53:11
very important00:53:12
because you will never solve the problem00:53:15
in relation to those names that sounded00:53:18
the mood00:53:22
you know,00:53:26
about the Khan of the jocks, this may not be the most00:53:30
important problem. The fact is that Prokhanov00:53:32
with the icon of Stalin with the ideas of Russian00:53:36
cosmism,00:53:38
of course,00:53:40
speaking at Christmas parties, of course, it00:53:45
looks extremely unusual, to put it mildly,00:53:48
you understand, yes, and Klochkov, don’t give up00:53:54
your views on part00:53:57
of nationalism, there is also a very interesting00:53:59
question because the left presupposes00:54:02
internationalism as well as Christianity,00:54:05
especially00:54:10
in relation to the00:54:12
exclusively Russian question here, it00:54:15
seems rather strange; moreover,00:54:18
they both occupy a certain and00:54:22
are headed by resources that are00:54:24
protests in relation to the church; this is the most00:54:28
important thing; there is no dialogue; there are claims00:54:31
against the church; therefore, they are more external00:54:34
than those inside the church to00:54:37
concern the00:54:38
clergy, but of course I sometimes listened to00:54:42
statements complementary to the00:54:45
history of the Soviet Union, for example, in00:54:48
relation to culture, one of the00:54:53
informal popular speakers inside00:54:57
spoke out regarding culture in the00:55:00
Soviet Union quite openly,00:55:02
you understand, yes, the00:55:05
whole problem is that we00:55:10
must speak as Olegs ideas about the00:55:14
history of the 20th century on 6 are absolutely weighed and the00:55:18
classical solution to all these questions is00:55:21
what to distinguish between the left. What to do with00:55:26
people of left-wing political views on our00:55:29
page, these are available And I would like to00:55:31
Remind Discover the social00:55:33
concept in private Everyone, both the00:55:37
clergy and the laity, have can have00:55:42
any sound political views00:55:44
You see, including00:55:47
you cannot ban this our00:55:50
declarative church social00:55:52
teaching, but that’s not the point at all, the00:55:55
thing is that we have not solved the most00:55:58
important problem in the lack of studying00:56:00
this segment of the mission. The point is that00:56:04
the appeal to achievement of the Soviet Union, after all, an00:56:07
appeal, among other things, should00:56:10
be at a price. And with regard to the goal and the00:56:13
means,00:56:14
and this problem is far from being solved, although they are00:56:18
trying to solve it in order to justify it,00:56:20
including within the left, among discussions00:56:23
that we are trying among believers to00:56:26
justify the achievement of the Soviet Union00:56:29
achievements, the price that had to be00:56:32
paid, including by the church00:56:34
community, in the dramatic stories of the 20th00:56:37
century, there is work going on, we are00:56:41
working exclusively,00:56:44
there are a number of authors, about 5 people who00:56:50
write the latest historiography on history,00:56:53
of course, a commission is working on the00:56:57
sewerage of the holy new martyrs and a00:56:59
publication is being prepared the patriarch called for this, so00:57:01
that the entire history of the church of the 20th century should be00:57:06
published as00:57:07
separate encyclopedias, similar to the00:57:10
Orthodox encyclopedias, separate, as00:57:14
if a collection there, all the questions would be the00:57:18
church of00:57:20
the Civil War and the provisional00:57:23
government and the first work of the00:57:29
Great Terror and so on in the post-war war00:57:34
and modern times. It is clear at00:57:40
the beginning 2000:57:42
but In our country, no one poses this problem.00:57:45
She must have very serious00:57:48
humanitarian philosophical training,00:57:51
how to polemicize and on the problem of00:57:55
the relationship between ends and means,00:57:59
you can pose the question simply as00:58:02
Some of our fairly00:58:04
consistently radical00:58:07
missionary priests do, that the00:58:10
grief of one small child does not00:58:13
justify all those achievements,00:58:14
of course Yes, this is so, but how00:58:19
then to build a dialogue,00:58:21
so to speak, to00:58:23
polemicize00:58:25
in rebuffs in refusal to indicate whether it is00:58:29
absolutely necessary to try If there are00:58:33
other options00:58:35
then the question arises then what is our00:58:41
advantage if we are00:58:45
religious contemplation which is00:58:48
universal00:58:51
[music]00:58:52
if we have a source absolutely00:58:57
means we must accommodate these people00:59:00
to find a place00:59:02
among ours00:59:04
[music]00:59:09
Yes please00:59:15
If you have any more questions00:59:18
Andrey, good evening again, unfortunately I did00:59:23
n’t hear the previous question,00:59:26
I wanted to00:59:30
ask something else as a00:59:35
question of reflection that we have since00:59:39
we live in the country On the one hand00:59:42
victorious capitalism, on the other hand, there are a00:59:45
lot of such00:59:52
phenomena00:59:54
of reflection in the worldview,00:59:59
but not only the tired,01:00:08
uh, it lives in the peppers and about such01:00:14
atheistic01:00:16
notes of reflection that are not always01:00:21
rationalized, that is,01:00:24
they are realized, and a01:00:29
whole series of these questions, some of them01:00:35
said a speech now01:00:40
but on the left they are realized as their own,01:00:49
they are01:00:51
more acute, so01:00:55
you think01:00:57
how much it is01:01:01
[music]01:01:03
such questions and01:01:06
[music] it01:01:10
was not interesting01:01:13
[music]01:01:31
[music]01:01:35
Okay, I understand. So01:01:40
your remarks are two questions. You are still from01:01:42
the last The thing is that really01:01:44
one lecture should be devoted to a list of topics01:01:47
on which the01:01:51
study of rhetoric and counter-argumentation to01:01:55
this rhetoric is a fruit on our part, of course,01:01:57
so as not to be never prepared01:02:01
in case you meet such01:02:02
people, this is a01:02:05
selective list of topics,01:02:08
it can be calculated and I will share the01:02:11
developments that I managed01:02:15
and to experience in practice which, as it were, at01:02:19
least raises confusion and01:02:22
allows you to01:02:27
compete from some balanced01:02:31
position regarding the first question, you01:02:34
understand Where did we start01:02:37
we started with the data when the request for a leftist01:02:41
agenda It would seem to the country of victorious01:02:43
capitalism in our country it is high01:02:46
understand 70 77 percent01:02:49
may not be so much,01:02:52
may be the technology of elections And this is also01:02:56
put01:02:58
to vote and the official parliamentary01:03:02
party to take a place, but in the last01:03:05
elections the left parties and the01:03:08
Social Democratic they also added. They01:03:11
also added without conditionally01:03:13
the party01:03:17
for a fair Russia for the truth. Bypassed01:03:21
the LDPR who were01:03:23
exaggerating their time. sovereign01:03:25
rhetoric and went from fourth to01:03:28
third place after the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and in first place is01:03:32
the party in power. Maybe this is where01:03:36
these left-wing sentiments began, not only among01:03:39
people of the older generation. We are talking about01:03:42
what young people01:03:44
mean, not everything is so simple in our01:03:47
kingdom of Denmark. I cited a whole01:03:50
series parameters that precisely01:03:52
indicate that the Patriarch is changing his rhetoric,01:03:55
he is reacting to a complaint, as it seems to me, the01:03:59
incoming address was spent and01:04:02
assessed by the profile management and01:04:05
synodal profiles, one01:04:08
and from the sermons this is from his rhetoric01:04:12
before01:04:14
[music] the01:04:15
elected authorities,01:04:18
you see this is there,01:04:21
this means this is a phenomenon is not01:04:24
random in nature, it means that a01:04:26
process is taking place in society.01:04:27
Imagine with such support.01:04:31
Imagine if tomorrow there was dissatisfaction with the01:04:35
social01:04:37
stratification in our country in01:04:40
some kind of left political turn,01:04:43
what will we do if this left01:04:46
radical turn is associated with the01:04:49
same aggressiveness, secularism may be torn01:04:52
apart, we may end up01:04:57
I I’ll give you, perhaps, the01:05:00
exchange of opinion between the01:05:04
late father Georgy Orekhanov, who01:05:07
wrote a 700-page monograph about the01:05:11
tragedy of the writer01:05:13
Leo Tolstoy and his attitude towards the Church, is not really written down anywhere.01:05:16
This is the most01:05:18
generally recognized author on Leo Tolstoy and01:05:21
this and his attitude towards the Church, his01:05:25
calm, same protoym will01:05:28
catch everyone you know what they said to each other01:05:31
One said to the other Well, we only have01:05:35
a few years of prosperity left and the second one01:05:39
went crazy and said Well,01:05:41
you know, and when a speaker of this level01:05:45
felt something already the work01:05:49
directly01:05:52
had weight with authority spoke at01:05:56
rallies of the01:05:57
systemic systemic left parties this is01:06:02
worth a lot who you will give a01:06:05
man his word in the dirt like this, under01:06:07
red flags to speak out, it is necessary01:06:10
to have a certain level and the weight of the dialogue01:06:14
has managed to speak out. So their point01:06:18
of view cannot be written off01:06:21
as what is01:06:24
happening in our country, the number of01:06:28
resources dissatisfied with the social01:06:31
stratification in our country is growing, rhetoric and it is01:06:34
closely connected with rhetoric the address of the church01:06:37
Look what the church is doing, it01:06:40
pays its people, it has01:06:44
collected quite gigantic figures to01:06:46
help01:06:48
Donbass, no one notices these figures and does not01:06:52
pay attention to both money and01:06:54
products, read the patriarch’s report for01:06:58
22 there are colossal sums and the figures are01:07:01
quite impressive01:07:04
But this is not exaggerated anywhere, it is believed01:07:07
that the church is almost part of the01:07:11
apparatus of the state machine and01:07:13
A hundred years ago, and in this sense,01:07:20
we still have enough in the information field01:07:28
Andrei Aleksandrovich, can I also ask this01:07:31
question? That we very often, even among01:07:35
believers, propagate the idea that there were01:07:38
beautiful there 70 80 when, that is, there01:07:41
was no persecution, everything was fine, but it01:07:43
seems to me that we still need to collect01:07:45
written materials specifically from the01:07:49
seventies to 80 That is, when there01:07:52
were01:07:54
trials against01:07:56
believers then, for example, the same example, and this01:08:00
gardener, and for example Alexander, then01:08:03
there were other processes there, that is,01:08:05
even our believers don’t01:08:08
know that in the seventies there were persecutions and01:08:11
in the eighties against believers and against the church. For01:08:15
example, I was a teacher at the01:08:19
end of even the eighties, I01:08:22
worked at school to the end of the01:08:26
USSR, we were engaged01:08:28
seriously in Propaganda, that is, we collected01:08:31
lists of who goes to school there, who will have their01:08:34
children there in church, that is, we are that. That01:08:37
is, our people don’t even know that until01:08:41
the end of the USSR, all this work was carried out01:08:44
anti-religious, that is, Propaganda in01:08:47
schools is all the trials were01:08:50
judicial, that is, only under Gorbachev the01:08:52
last people had already left prison, as01:08:55
if this was also a topic01:08:58
taken up and all the materials under this01:09:01
trial were collected like here of the01:09:10
historical Soviet Union01:09:16
[music]01:09:24
if there are such01:09:26
groups01:09:28
within the church, then01:09:32
I don’t I think that there are so many of them that they were01:09:35
so exclusively excluded by these01:09:39
years while they are still living without hanging themselves,01:09:40
which can tell a lot about this01:09:43
period and partly punitive psychiatry,01:09:47
especially anti-church01:09:49
taxation, not much different from the01:09:53
Khrushchev temporary, somewhat shifted,01:09:56
passed on the informal nature of the01:09:58
prohibitively informal01:10:00
administrative and publishing of01:10:03
political literature which en masse01:10:09
you printed various buildings went01:10:12
building periodicals01:10:15
[music] For01:10:16
example, I studied back in the seminar, that is,01:10:20
in order to01:10:23
inspect myself on the knowledge of the01:10:25
basic theology course of the seminar course.01:10:28
I read questions of scientific atheism where01:10:31
which itself as a periodical is an01:10:34
excellent collection of01:10:36
problems on the basic theology Where in01:10:40
the back, as if on the back page,01:10:43
the correct answers are not given, you read and01:10:46
summarize for yourself. As01:10:50
for the left, the era of the 70s and 80s is so01:10:56
necessary to participate in the platforms, if there is01:10:59
such a thing, you01:11:01
will have the opportunity01:11:04
to participate only the most important thing. For01:11:07
what purpose?01:11:09
create a polemic territory you think01:11:13
that you will go over they will immediately abandon01:11:15
their views01:11:17
what is the practical goal here in this01:11:21
regard you and I01:11:24
if we have not yet removed01:11:28
the level of dialogue between the church01:11:31
between the mission of the church and01:11:35
unfortunately at the level of scientific polemics01:11:38
from one scandalous statement,01:11:43
but both sides do not know a lot of01:11:46
unpleasant things in their01:11:49
philistine majority, it01:11:52
became a lot unpleasant both for the life of the01:11:57
atheistic 20th century and on the church01:12:02
side because there, too, there will be a01:12:05
lot of unpleasant discoveries if01:12:09
they don’t spend like many hours of YouTube01:12:13
studying01:12:14
this rhetoric then probably01:12:18
some kind of01:12:19
synthetic answer will not come. And what exactly should you do about this,01:12:22
because as you know,01:12:25
locking a person up with a wall01:12:28
of counterargumentation will not solve your main01:12:30
problem, the person will not immediately run about01:12:32
English, he will prepare, he could01:12:35
come running,01:12:37
and there are specialists in the history of the01:12:41
Soviet Union and quite serious ones01:12:46
I have no guarantee that you will be01:12:48
the winner of them. I think the conversation should01:12:51
probably be about something else. In01:12:55
this regard, it has always become a universal01:12:57
question. What has the history of the01:13:00
existence of a01:13:02
prosperous but at the same time01:13:04
tourist state in the 20th century given us, and the01:13:08
Patriarch follows this line, he speaks01:13:10
directly that the state turned out to be01:13:12
relatively successful, it may be01:13:15
better, but at the same time not durable, there are01:13:20
no guarantees that with the next01:13:24
such approach it will be just as01:13:26
durable, that for some reason it is01:13:28
necessary to raise Questions, sometimes raising a01:13:31
question is very important in the rhetoric of01:13:34
polemics than immediately issuing how it01:13:38
happened that in such a prosperous01:13:41
state, for example, a whole category of people01:13:43
on the basis of religious class01:13:46
turned out to be deprived and have limited01:13:50
rights, don’t they deserve the very01:13:53
same rights as everyone else01:13:57
when It would seem that01:13:59
if religion is proclaimed as a matter often,01:14:02
then the entire church01:14:05
should not have any01:14:07
problems at all in relation to to their own01:14:10
activities because their public01:14:13
activities,01:14:14
strictly speaking, to private life,01:14:18
even if the aggregate of people and the church01:14:22
initially proposed based on01:14:26
the material of01:14:27
17-18, realizing that a new01:14:32
Soviet government was coming, which was quite01:14:34
tough in relation to the church,01:14:37
proposed its own model of the01:14:42
church-state relationship, in01:14:44
contrast to the Russian Empire proposed to01:14:47
keep something and subtract something,01:14:51
remove something from the church state of01:14:52
relations, remove something from01:14:54
state functions01:14:57
in the church environment, and leave something,01:15:01
but the01:15:04
state in response perceived this as a01:15:07
provocation and the amendment of the01:15:11
bill of the church’s proposal went01:15:13
according to the most severe scenario that opened,01:15:16
as it were, the beginning of the church company was driven01:15:19
already from the beginning of 1918. Thank you01:15:25
If there is another question,01:15:28
how do you think in the future in general in Russia01:15:31
complete decommunization is possible, that is, in01:15:33
general, how many more years must pass01:15:35
before they finally follow in the footsteps01:15:38
of the Baltics In the footsteps of Eastern Europe That01:15:42
is, as if When we have already come to complete01:15:45
decommunization in general, that is, How many more01:15:47
years must pass 20 30 40 before01:15:50
all the monuments to Lenin are finally removed,01:15:54
all the cities are renamed, they01:15:56
were already all the streets Well, and so on That is01:15:58
How much longer will we go towards this?01:16:01
We already, in my opinion, even already Moses Yes01:16:05
Let’s go soon, we’ve been going around for01:16:08
30 years already And there are no01:16:12
prospects at all How much longer will we01:16:15
lead people through the desert like this? The01:16:22
second thing is01:16:25
decommunization is the main basic01:16:28
process which01:16:35
what to do with those who adhere,01:16:38
again returning to this01:16:42
survey Yes, a request for left-wing rhetoric for01:16:46
social justice for01:16:49
historical left-wing state01:16:51
public figures01:16:53
that we will Maybe we have a slightly01:16:56
different society For01:16:58
example,01:17:01
Donbass is liberated during a01:17:05
military conflict and01:17:08
exactly the opposite phenomenon occurs there, the reconstruction of01:17:10
monuments01:17:11
on Lenin, this is the process that is taking place,01:17:16
I can’t give forecasts here, you just01:17:20
understand, we must pose the question from a different perspective, what does01:17:25
this give us? We are not concerned01:17:31
with monuments, after all, we can01:17:36
approach this01:17:39
dialectically, paradoxically, but what will happen01:17:42
if people forget in the absence of01:17:45
monuments01:17:46
that turned out to be regardless of the01:17:51
means of achieving the goal of building a01:17:54
fair one, won’t this happen again01:18:00
in Europe, for example, monuments, but with the01:18:03
exception of Hitler, stand01:18:07
in different countries with completely different01:18:10
political views; the01:18:15
era of the01:18:17
Civil War differs among themselves in France;01:18:21
this issue 5 of the Republic, for example, has been resolved;01:18:24
national reconciliation has arrived there01:18:27
between other others in the interpretation of01:18:30
historical figures, we don’t have this, we01:18:33
open a01:18:34
certain court group and there is a01:18:36
full-fledged civil war with01:18:39
curses and obscenities, you close the Internet,01:18:42
you look out the window outside the window, Easter spring01:18:46
2023,01:18:48
so what should we do in this regard01:18:52
if we put it like the main purpose01:18:55
of documentation01:18:57
But what about being a social disease,01:19:00
we have no dialogue, no agreement in society01:19:03
on this issue, therefore, decommunization01:19:06
as such, although apparently carried out01:19:09
by the01:19:14
current ruling regime, nevertheless, it01:19:17
is fueled in society as we are. I have already01:19:19
repeatedly indicated completely different01:19:21
sentiments,01:19:25
we will have a problematic audience,01:19:28
including01:19:31
in relation to When will the dismantling of these monuments begin?01:19:37
Maybe you haven’t heard, looked at01:19:39
the video recordings where people directly say that on01:19:43
the day when01:19:45
Lenin’s reburial begins, they will immediately go out into mass01:19:47
chaos, you understand,01:19:49
without talking. We want to see01:19:54
churches set on fire at the same time by the priest where01:19:58
they speak out. in this regard, are we confident that01:20:00
we are ready to protect our churches, to01:20:03
reassure people, will a01:20:07
third party take advantage of our difficult01:20:10
international situation so as not to01:20:12
abandon a sniper landing on a high-rise,01:20:15
as was already the case01:20:18
in 903?01:20:21
Do you understand what the price of the issue is?01:20:25
So we cannot ignore this without even01:20:29
starting And these arguments will always01:20:31
lead to whether how we will respond to someone who is01:20:34
ready to take responsibility for the01:20:37
subsequent processes that are taking place01:20:40
is a difficult question;01:20:42
moreover, we even have a group of their01:20:46
temple And the general dissatisfaction with the construction of the01:20:49
temple, we talked about this with you today,01:20:53
okay, we will demolish all the monuments, what kind of01:20:57
internal political situation will we get?01:21:00
the answer01:21:01
we will get01:21:03
is vandalism, hooligan attacks against01:21:08
all government buildings, including01:21:11
churches. We need to do this now.01:21:17
That we01:21:19
will either try to enter into dialogue01:21:22
or We are ready to immediately start with01:21:25
confrontation01:21:30
when01:21:38
[music]01:21:40
they say that if the leftists01:21:44
would marry now repair and restoration of the01:21:46
temple would not have received the most powerful01:21:48
electoral01:21:49
support and shock content on the Internet in01:21:53
this regard, they shrug their shoulders and do not01:21:56
believe I say that this is so,01:22:01
does the experience of01:22:04
interaction of the Roman Church teach us the experience of a01:22:08
probably unsuccessful liberation theology in01:22:11
Latin America when the church01:22:13
turned out to be Po on both01:22:16
sides of the political barricades, are01:22:19
we ready to do this because the process of01:22:23
direct participation of the01:22:25
church process where communization01:22:27
at this point is a01:22:31
full-fledged entry into the political01:22:34
struggle, which, in fact, is what01:22:38
the patriarch warned about as a ban when01:22:41
meeting at the last meeting with a01:22:43
priest blogger01:22:46
in relation to political events on a01:22:50
more neutral on a secondary01:22:52
the question as a basis, social concepts01:22:57
indicate that01:23:00
we cannot act on your01:23:02
or other political side for communization01:23:05
or for decommunization,01:23:07
obviously completely. You must solve01:23:10
other problems that will01:23:13
not allow us in this difficult time to01:23:16
create a set in society by involving the01:23:18
church and made the rank of confrontation.01:23:21
We are ready01:23:22
to those processes that we see,01:23:25
for example, on the street in Kiev or01:23:29
Pechersky when Which part of society01:23:33
or the state will instantly take01:23:35
up arms as a result of some01:23:38
political mistake against the church We are01:23:40
ready for the same news in Moscow,01:23:46
why then is this still Eastern01:23:50
Europe Yes but there is an example, but they didn’t solve01:23:52
the issue very quickly until Poland, there is the Czech Republic,01:23:55
they are somehow there, that is, why01:23:59
then would it work there? There were also01:24:03
communists, there was also a society01:24:06
that was described as about this, that01:24:07
is, there too, these decades, but they01:24:11
quickly they did it, they cleaned themselves up and01:24:14
moved on. Now they have already had successes. Yes,01:24:17
and you and more successes, and the Czech Republic is successes. Yes. And you01:24:22
can also give examples of this there.01:24:25
They quickly cleared themselves01:24:28
of all this dirt, as if they went forward,01:24:31
and again we seemed to slow down there and01:24:34
these are now again deciding how many more01:24:36
years should pass whether there will be01:24:39
a confrontation there,01:24:41
after all, Eastern Europe and we are01:24:45
again going to our01:24:56
lecture on studying01:25:00
what kind of monuments01:25:06
they are happening there,01:25:13
including those dedicated to the memory of the Second01:25:17
World War We are ready for in all respects01:25:23
[music]01:25:24
what if tomorrow a turn to the left happens in our country01:25:28
and we proclaim and01:25:31
support the concept of01:25:35
maintaining any legal law of the01:25:39
elected official government? We are01:25:40
then ready to pay the price for participating in this or01:25:44
that political action; let’s say from the01:25:46
documentation whether this will immediately come back to haunt us with01:25:49
new01:25:51
Now, if tomorrow, for example, a01:25:57
sharp radical left society comes, it01:26:00
may roll up while this is not visible, but01:26:03
hidden processes are taking place;01:26:05
moreover, there01:26:11
is no neutral political01:26:16
field there against the backdrop of01:26:19
these monuments, there are other processes taking place01:26:21
in the streets of Latvia, there are marches01:26:26
of Veterans of the Latvian Division of01:26:30
Socialist01:26:33
[music]01:26:35
research01:26:38
not citizens of Latvia, for example, up to 3 sometimes do01:26:43
not know the Latvian language are in a01:26:46
state of aparthein.01:26:48
We are ready, as a church party,01:26:51
not only to act with such shameful01:26:54
phenomena, to be associated with fascism and01:26:57
apartheid, we are01:26:59
pursuing, as it were, a specific task.01:27:03
I do not have such confidence yet,01:27:05
given the participation of the01:27:08
historical church in the Great01:27:10
Patriotic War can’t01:27:12
we take a swing at the most01:27:14
expensive and the most scrupulous and the most01:27:22
planned program, including the01:27:26
participation of the church in the Great Patriotic01:27:28
War? This is the history of modern01:27:30
historiography, we need to talk about this; these01:27:32
facts are there.01:27:35
They just say something completely01:27:37
different. I’m not sure that this is01:27:40
exactly what we should do. And01:27:44
look what’s happening there and the decline in the01:27:48
standard of living is preparing us to lower the01:27:51
standard of living and also be associated as01:27:55
supporting any forces that are ready01:27:59
for this. Decommunization, oddly enough,01:28:02
is happening in a certain information01:28:05
field, including large leftist01:28:08
sentiments01:28:09
with other related01:28:11
[music]01:28:12
I think for now, resolving the issue is simply01:28:16
beyond the capabilities of the church for our task; on the01:28:21
other hand, this raises the most01:28:23
important question: What about people with left-wing01:28:26
political views, if there is such a thing01:28:29
at all, there is no place for the church in our01:28:33
church, they have no future, they can01:28:36
confess to take part in communion as a whole01:28:42
if, as it were, they justify these crimes,01:28:45
that is, there are these big01:28:47
risks here, it seems to me that even01:28:51
communion is not allowed at all because01:28:52
they01:29:00
are one thing and the people01:29:04
with whom you are conducting a dialogue01:29:08
is the second question. But I say01:29:14
if people are, in principle, dissatisfied with the01:29:16
existing social system - economic01:29:19
model they basically take place in01:29:21
the church or only in fact we will01:29:24
segment them according to their social01:29:28
ideological affiliation01:29:31
you think so everything is surprising, we01:29:34
have such01:29:36
a well-known philosopher right-wing opinion01:29:39
you think his views everyone01:29:43
knows his last name well you can even call he01:29:46
speaks at general church forums with a01:29:50
beard, do you think his views are01:29:53
so exclusively01:29:56
conservative traditionalist, directly01:29:58
identical to Orthodoxy? Look at his01:30:02
interview even with Metropolitan Larion01:30:08
to make a lot of rather unpleasant discoveries for yourself.01:30:14
I think only such representatives of such01:30:17
views should only be in our01:30:19
church. I don’t have such confidence01:30:22
the church is of course for everyone for liberals01:30:25
for communists for probably a moderate01:30:29
right-wing view for monarchists for01:30:32
conservatives but should we take the01:30:36
side that people of any political01:30:39
current, including the left, including01:30:41
passionate left-wing youth, should not01:30:45
have a place01:30:48
in our church at all for you this is a shock this is a shock,01:30:53
including for him himself when I01:30:57
tell them when you scold what you have01:30:59
when they tell me that look01:31:03
inside your church at the social form01:31:05
there are arches of a philosopher, probably quite01:31:09
exotic legal views And I01:31:13
tell them that we don’t have no left-wing01:31:16
speakers in this regard Prokhanov01:31:19
this is not enough01:31:20
invite your own if they can seriously01:31:23
say something about01:31:26
Christianity they are interested in something from the01:31:29
Christian world of contemplation I would very much01:31:32
like to repress and hear a01:31:35
reflection on a person of left-wing01:31:38
political views01:31:43
We only have it because no01:31:48
years there are no left01:31:52
and right01:31:58
in our rhetoric01:32:04
and more questions01:32:11
we’ve already been working for hours01:32:13
Maybe let’s have enough for the first meeting01:32:16
and finish for now01:32:21
What do you think Yes thank you We’re waiting for01:32:24
your next ones you’ll01:32:28
already say in practice How should we01:32:31
do it in general01:32:34
[music]01:32:36
moderator what you will say01:32:42
Pavel probably doesn’t hear,01:32:46
but he’s not there,01:32:56
you’re the organizer of the event, maybe we’ve01:33:01
finished the meeting for today01:33:06
and she also left, we have01:33:09
four people left01:33:12
to discuss, answer your questions and01:33:15
briefly get acquainted with this water topic.01:33:19
Thank you01:33:24
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