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morning spread live nail Vladimir00:00:52
Romensky Marfa Smirnovy00:00:54
joins us Carnegie Foundation expert00:00:56
Andrei Kolesnikov00:00:58
please like him right now00:01:00
hello Good morning Hello00:01:04
Andrei has published an article on Carnegie and00:01:08
Probably we will also discuss today00:01:10
and it talks about what the new00:01:15
justice will be built in the00:01:17
next six-year term of Vladimir00:01:19
Putin, who will the00:01:23
man who calls himself the00:01:25
President of Russia rely on, who will be among his00:01:28
favorites and where will he be able to get00:01:32
money for the war, which00:01:35
apparently he intends to continue exactly about00:01:37
this today, too, we will talk a lot00:01:42
if you allow, you write then00:01:45
that the living middle class will be00:01:48
fed by the living middle class will be00:01:52
fed by a multi-billion army00:01:54
of dependents, in turn engaged in00:01:57
unproductive labor, victory in the00:02:00
West and the suppression of civil00:02:01
society within the country. That is, we00:02:04
have those people who will have to do everything00:02:08
for the front and everything for the Victory, and00:02:12
others with which the authorities00:02:16
intend to nourish00:02:25
for the entire 6 years of Putin’s new term.00:02:31
Here the question is, on the one hand,00:02:34
deeply philosophical. Yes, what is00:02:36
justice in society? Yes Should00:02:39
not even rich people, people who are simply00:02:41
working, simply earning money00:02:43
for themselves, for their families, and creating jobs?00:02:46
places Should they feed those who are00:02:48
engaged in non-productive labor? non-00:02:51
productive labor is what is00:03:01
called the Rosstat classification;00:03:03
finished metal products; this iron does00:03:07
not produce anything for human00:03:09
capital; it is produced to00:03:11
destroy human00:03:13
capital; accordingly, the army of those00:03:17
who00:03:18
receive social support only for the fact00:03:20
that these families are related to the00:03:24
KST00:03:26
provost00:03:28
in such a system, as it seems to me, is00:03:31
very out-of-date and extremely00:03:34
unfair; nevertheless, the00:03:37
increase in these very taxes for the00:03:39
working population of Pasha is00:03:42
not fatal, it is not too00:03:46
large, so to speak, this is not the scale of00:03:49
taxation that exists there,00:03:51
let’s say in the countries of Northern Europe, on the00:03:53
other hand, here there is, as it were, a second00:03:56
layer of injustice, the money that00:04:01
people pay as taxes to the state. They must, firstly, be00:04:03
controlled, and secondly, go again00:04:05
to something useful. But as in the same00:04:08
countries of Northern Europe people understand00:04:10
where the money goes and on what social00:04:12
services it is spent here; the00:04:16
budget is not transparent; the statistics are00:04:18
becoming more and more opaque; money00:04:20
goes to the same war;00:04:23
accordingly, why should people then00:04:25
pay money for the fact that they do not understand00:04:28
where it goes? as if there is a00:04:31
great injustice of this system But00:04:34
since in the public consciousness this is a00:04:37
redistribution of national income in00:04:39
favor of the poor in the literal sense of the00:04:41
word it is considered Well, more or less00:04:43
fair, the poor should receive00:04:45
money from us still in a country where the00:04:47
consciousness has not become as if in00:04:51
the masses are more independent00:04:55
than in the Soviet Union, everyone owes me that's what00:04:59
the state should00:05:01
pay00:05:02
money for and sociology shows Yes, this00:05:05
will be considered fair and00:05:07
accordingly it will not cause any00:05:09
serious protests from the middle class00:05:12
there is no Organization there is no00:05:13
negotiating power there is no party Well,00:05:16
not counting is there such a party of new00:05:17
people or someone else there? I call the party of00:05:19
growth, yes. These people are not represented in00:05:22
parliament; they are not represented anywhere;00:05:25
accordingly, they will follow the rules;00:05:28
they will continue to adapt to00:05:32
what is there and pay these same taxes.00:05:34
This money will go to00:05:36
the budget, but now the budget00:05:40
is balanced, what will happen in the future,00:05:42
it is very difficult to say if there will be the00:05:44
same scale of military spending or00:05:47
spending in a broader sense on00:05:49
defense, security on the00:05:50
military-industrial00:05:52
complex, on nationalized00:05:55
enterprises which also someone must00:05:57
feed. It’s easy to say Here are the components00:06:01
privatized incorrectly And who00:06:02
will pay wages at these00:06:03
enterprises Pushkin SRM or00:06:06
the state budget, I still think00:06:09
that after some time this country, so00:06:12
to speak, our dear one, will face a very00:06:15
serious budget deficit, and a00:06:17
chronic one. There will not be enough money. Will there be00:06:20
enough for a stiletto if Booth is00:06:23
implemented? those projects that are00:06:24
planned are enough, of course, no one00:06:27
Nemat that it has never been fulfilled in the00:06:31
practice of Putin’s Russia for almost00:06:33
twenty years that he00:06:35
has fulfilled any of his promises at all in principle,00:06:38
including financial ones, including the00:06:39
May budget decrees, national projects where did00:06:42
it all collapse where is this money Where00:06:45
the result of all this is, no one00:06:47
really knows, except for00:06:49
formal reports and, accordingly,00:06:51
adjustment to the numbers of these same00:06:53
decrees, nevertheless, the00:06:58
design creaks, it somehow00:07:01
sticks, probably until the end of the six-year00:07:04
period, you can talk about where the day goes, although00:07:08
a little to the side Vladimir Pastukhov,00:07:11
a political scientist, wrote to you tonight that00:07:14
And in the public00:07:17
consciousness, from a financial point of view,00:07:20
eliminating the consequences of what00:07:22
happened now in the office in00:07:24
Orenburg does not in any way correlate with the fact00:07:27
that there is a hole in the state budget from Russia's00:07:32
war. You agree with his idea that00:07:36
people have these things are not at all connected with the fact00:07:38
that some are paid 100,000 for some00:07:41
first raises, and on the other hand,00:07:44
we are spending billions on00:07:47
the war, I agree because in the public00:07:50
consciousness those who manage00:07:53
the processes below and not00:07:58
at the top of the Russians are to blame, there is a symbolic00:08:01
level coat of arms flag the00:08:04
president the president is not at all what he is not00:08:06
responsible for is not a classic, as it were,00:08:08
Western democracy where the president00:08:10
has at least some responsibility00:08:12
the president is the king this is the symbol of the00:08:15
country for what he can be responsible for he00:08:17
can be appealed to how to appeal to00:08:20
him the pile But he won’t come he’s the same the00:08:23
president will not deal with this seriously, the president00:08:25
held two meetings, not even meetings, but00:08:28
we have00:08:30
the ninth of the seventh something like that with someone00:08:33
he talked yesterday on the eighth of the Ministry of Emergency Situations he when it00:08:37
all happened dadada it was yes it00:08:39
was the day before yesterday on the eighth, which means there was a00:08:42
message on the Kremlin website that00:08:45
the situation is reported to the president, no more than00:08:49
that, naturally,00:08:51
in a normal classical, as it were,00:08:54
Western democracy, the president would have come00:08:57
to00:08:58
Russia and00:09:02
would only have been doing this around the00:09:06
clock, in fact, so to speak, with attacks on00:09:10
Kharkov,00:09:12
respectively, no one expects anything from him,00:09:14
but they expect from the Switchmen of the world00:09:18
from the governor, who is also00:09:21
operates quite in the spirit of today's00:09:23
times, I00:09:34
calmly say that the country itself is governed by this logic.00:09:36
But people don’t feel this,00:09:38
they don’t consider the highest authority responsible for this for some00:09:40
reason. If only00:09:43
this grassroots level was still00:09:46
responsible. What can this grassroots00:09:48
level do? MR Orsk what to do with00:09:50
this Dumbo if he doesn’t have money,00:09:52
let’s say to00:10:01
demolish it, so something could be done.00:10:03
What to do if all the money00:10:06
went to, let’s say, non-productive00:10:11
expenses, that is, emergency00:10:14
circumstances that are repeated with00:10:16
tragic regularity,00:10:19
they in no way influence the regime of Vladimir00:10:23
Putin they can’t The vertical of00:10:26
his power is not00:10:28
eroded00:10:30
in any way as a result,00:10:32
yes we can be skeptical about his00:10:34
rating for everything else But it00:10:36
really has a symbolic00:10:38
meaning without him there is no life Putin is00:10:41
Russia Russia is Putin in a00:10:42
sense for a significant part of the population,00:10:44
including for passive conformist00:10:47
who, strictly speaking, don’t care who00:10:48
rules00:10:49
the country is who rules the one and00:10:52
the head of the VM00:10:56
Vitsi00:10:58
Koda00:11:00
behaves unethically When a00:11:03
colossal terrorist attack of colossal00:11:05
scale occurs, that is, does not appear at the scene of00:11:07
the tragedy, is silent for 19 hours, does not00:11:10
comment on anything, now turns the arrows,00:11:13
this situation seems to be quite complicated00:11:16
for a person in an elected position But00:11:19
since this is not quite an Elected00:11:20
position it is quite a00:11:22
monarchical00:11:24
position in fact no one appeals to him00:11:26
and no one expects anything from him they00:11:29
expect from someone else there I don’t know the00:11:31
fire service in Crocus there may be00:11:34
some kind of discontent in relation to00:11:36
our special services, but they are valiant,00:11:38
they cut their ears. There, so to speak, they00:11:40
show how strong they are. Well,00:11:43
what kind of claims can there be after this?00:11:44
So his00:11:48
ratings will be stable; hope00:11:51
that this kind of event will happen;00:11:59
people00:12:00
came out and were dissatisfied; maybe this00:12:03
call it some kind of mini-protest or00:12:05
rally, but this is not a political00:12:08
protest at all and not a political rally for sure,00:12:11
but they shouted Putin,00:12:13
help. It’s Putin, help, not00:12:17
Putin. Shame, shame on us, who is00:12:19
dying there, again, who does not have a tool00:12:22
to resolve this very situation and00:12:28
help that’s right, he’s the king, yes, the king has it,00:12:31
unfortunately, guys, well, here we are We’re fighting the00:12:34
West, we don’t care about this, we don’t care about you You’re a00:12:37
little float there yourself and maybe the00:12:40
water will recede,00:12:42
whatever00:12:46
you want or I Paradox I wanted I would00:12:48
just like to talk more about probably the00:12:50
split in Russian society, which00:12:53
will only grow, because if a00:12:56
new Elite is created, that is, those people00:12:58
who work00:13:00
for the00:13:01
states so that the war continues,00:13:04
churning out cartridges, selling body armor.00:13:07
Sometimes the truth comes with fraud. It happens, but00:13:10
everything is for the front, everything is for Victory and00:13:13
other people, including some barely00:13:18
existing surviving middle00:13:20
class who will now00:13:22
tax all those people who00:13:25
oppose the war but should talk about00:13:28
it, how it will affect both00:13:32
society00:13:33
and the country. In general,00:13:36
probably Well, we always thought that what kind00:13:39
of serious00:13:41
events serious events happen all the00:13:44
time they will aggravate the split both in00:13:47
society and in the elites but this split is00:13:50
latent it is not visible from the outside00:13:56
people may be dissatisfied and something like this is the same thing00:13:59
at home the elites00:14:02
may be dissatisfied with themselves,00:14:04
even among themselves; of course, they00:14:06
cannot discuss anything, but this is not a00:14:09
split that manifests itself00:14:12
externally and, accordingly, How can we00:14:15
predict this split will somehow play out00:14:17
politically sooner or later or not? What00:14:22
will happen during the let’s say00:14:28
elections will be like in the first year there was a00:14:31
protest vote for the communists00:14:34
or or that00:14:37
now the society that has taken a position00:14:41
is what is00:14:42
called the00:14:45
fetal position, don’t touch me, don’t kick me00:14:48
and in general, leave me alone. I00:14:50
’ll sit here on the side somewhere,00:14:53
just to have the sun seemed00:14:56
calm to me. It’s such a society that00:15:00
it doesn’t want to express itself outwardly in any way00:15:04
and is afraid. Everything00:15:07
is fine with us, everything is fine, but I don’t00:15:09
need to drag me there. The armed forces are00:15:11
forcible. Let me earn money, and in00:15:14
general, I’m not in the house at all. apparently00:15:18
this is the position of a person who is00:15:20
faced with an inexplicable external situation,00:15:27
things are happening all around Well, he00:15:31
needs to survive somehow, it is00:15:32
desirable to live the same way as Until February of the00:15:35
twenty-second year, in fact, one00:15:38
has to, so to speak,00:15:40
take a passively conformist position00:15:42
for survival Therefore here again,00:15:44
the split of the schism, it may00:15:48
play out later, but now nothing serious00:15:53
protest or even minimally00:15:56
dissatisfied00:15:57
will happen00:16:01
about the economy, you actually00:16:03
write about this in your recent article, the00:16:06
main thing is that the regime needs money. We probably00:16:08
understand all this, and more than once we We talked00:16:11
about this tax reform, which00:16:13
Putin mentioned in his00:16:16
presidential address, you also write about the fact00:16:19
that00:16:20
state rent, including oil rent, is00:16:23
thinning, although we see that sanctions00:16:25
are not working as quickly as expected,00:16:29
so I want to return to this tax00:16:32
reform, to what extent it is supported in00:16:35
society and how truly capable it is of00:16:39
plugging holes in the budget because,00:16:42
again, talking with economists, I realized00:16:45
that this will happen even if it is introduced, it00:16:48
will happen there in some twenty-fifth00:16:50
year when it will actually bring in00:16:53
some money and now in than year00:16:58
this is00:17:00
more accurate for us than the Russian state It wo00:17:02
n’t00:17:04
add money Well, let’s start with the fact that this is a00:17:06
tax counter-reform because00:17:08
tax reform is something else Yes, this is a00:17:10
flat scale of 13% of which Russia was00:17:12
rightly proud of this00:17:14
achievement there at the very beginning of the00:17:17
2000s of Putin’s first term of which00:17:19
he himself was proud and in fact,00:17:22
one of his general things is that the tax system00:17:24
will be steel and will not be00:17:27
changed00:17:28
[music]00:17:30
due to the fact that after all, he has been00:17:31
sitting in his post for too long, of course it is difficult00:17:34
to keep those Promises that were made four00:17:36
centuries ago,00:17:37
approximately this is a counter-reform,00:17:39
of course this is a violation of the social00:17:42
contract of that time and it’s not a fact that it00:17:46
will bring very serious income in00:17:48
principle. Not to mention the fact that, yes,00:17:52
probably now tax00:17:53
administration00:17:56
has improved greatly00:17:57
with00:17:59
sm lysine and it is very difficult to avoid00:18:04
taxation and it’s better not to do this,00:18:07
but firstly, Yes,00:18:10
the question really arises: Why I actually pay a tax00:18:13
so that rockets can fly. That means I would00:18:16
just work and still wouldn’t get anything from it.00:18:18
Well, and secondly, many00:18:23
people will00:18:25
want to avoid taxation;00:18:27
the collection rate was the same before; with an00:18:31
increase in the tax burden,00:18:33
tax collection decreased00:18:34
accordingly00:18:35
the increase lost all meaning, I don’t know00:18:38
if this will be the case now, again due to00:18:40
this improvement in tax00:18:42
administration, but this is also possible00:18:45
and then00:18:49
the oil and gas revenues will not be covered in the budget. Well, for00:18:57
now00:18:59
[music]00:19:01
to justify itself China is switching to00:19:03
electric cars with some incredible00:19:05
speed, even the Americans are very00:19:07
dissatisfied with the fact that China00:19:10
produces a lot of electric cars. They are too00:19:12
active in this, but China will00:19:14
reduce the need for00:19:17
oil itself and rely on exports there is00:19:22
somehow no longer00:19:25
semi-00:19:27
e for now, the00:19:32
authorities act on the logs after us, at least00:19:35
if there is enough to survive. their age, or at00:19:37
least for this stiletto, in general, in principle, they00:19:40
will be happy, but in terms of erosion, the00:19:42
same floods are happening, the00:19:45
same floods. What happened we already00:19:48
forgot in January of this year because of Morozov.00:19:51
This means that the entire Zhilina00:19:54
infrastructure burst, too,00:19:57
no one is to blame for this again, the locals the authorities, all00:20:00
these floods,00:20:01
breakthroughs, and so on, this problem has00:20:05
not gone anywhere now, it has become warm Yes00:20:07
Okay, but so to speak, the cold00:20:10
will return someday,00:20:12
too, cars, I don’t know, trains, planes, all00:20:18
this is just being00:20:21
repaired, import substitution Absolute00:20:24
Chimera, technological sovereignty is00:20:27
absolute Chimera happens in the00:20:29
world for import substitution00:20:32
is needed, not paradoxically, imported spare parts00:20:37
components are the same in00:20:39
agriculture, seeds are needed, they00:20:41
were imported, the same thing, recently00:20:43
Putin met with the chief fisherman there,00:20:47
too, there are00:20:48
problems with the fish, they need to be fed with something, they need to be fed since I did00:20:57
n’t count on the fact that Russia00:21:00
will start00:21:02
waving nuclear bombs there I don’t know00:21:04
and to say that it was attacked, everyone lived00:21:07
somehow normally and in general the fish00:21:10
was reproducing thanks to some00:21:17
material coming from somewhere else, so to speak, that was00:21:20
necessary, this is absolutely normal. So00:21:27
migo lives00:21:30
slowly, this sun will happen, people00:21:33
will slowly00:21:35
pessimistic00:21:37
ska to fall smoothly to the bottom, so what, well, that’s00:21:42
normal, but we are great, but we00:21:45
defeated everyone, of course, a nuclear war00:21:47
won’t00:21:49
start before that, in order to defeat everyone without a nuclear00:21:51
war,00:21:57
obviously, so00:21:59
that they die in the trenches or00:22:02
become00:22:04
murderers, now it seems that Well, here are00:22:09
some prerequisites to carry out the00:22:11
New Wave, there is no partial or partial00:22:15
mobilization, but at least00:22:16
military experts are not observing it, it00:22:20
seems to us, again, there may00:22:23
be an alternative opinion, but there are no00:22:25
clear signals, there is no understanding, on the contrary, to00:22:29
recruit contract soldiers, they talked a lot about the fact00:22:31
that they are increasing the amounts of payments00:22:35
one-time payments that they receive in their00:22:37
hands if00:22:39
they agree to join the army, but in the00:22:42
future Here’s the money Yes, let’s raise taxes00:22:47
for those who earn more than 8000:22:49
thousand a month, and with00:22:52
people, if they also run out, what to do00:22:57
not only with people’s money, but00:23:02
also with00:23:04
people, despite the announced savings00:23:09
people, this is enough, like00:23:11
Solzhenitsyn’s pretentious rhetorical formula00:23:13
that Putin borrowed from00:23:17
him, it’s just a declaration. Yes, the00:23:19
people don’t save at all, they’re00:23:22
not00:23:24
needed at all. These people are needed as hero soldiers00:23:28
or hero engineers, or workers00:23:31
who produce finished metal00:23:33
products. And so they only they are in the way. So they are00:23:36
drowning there and that means they are making claims00:23:39
with their phones. They are standing there taking00:23:40
pictures of this governor, why are00:23:43
they actually needed? These people are needed.00:23:45
But00:23:48
nevertheless, now let’s announce a00:23:51
partial mobilization, this will seriously00:23:53
expose the already scarce00:23:56
labor market, and this worries the population,00:23:59
the level of anxiety will increase no one00:24:02
will take the Kremlin by storm, although00:24:05
the Kremlin was very much frightened by the00:24:06
level of anxiety that was in the00:24:08
fall of 2020 during partial00:24:10
mobilization.00:24:12
But they are not offending some00:24:20
scrofulous social group00:24:23
that would not even take away00:24:34
living people to support this. everyone is actually00:24:37
ready to exchange their own men for00:24:41
money, not everyone is so cynical,00:24:45
self-interested, this can really00:24:47
very much violate the social contract, as it were,00:24:49
this one that Putin00:24:51
insisted on throughout his entire00:24:57
presidency,00:24:59
we have innovators in a red way, we have00:25:01
talented children, we have new ones00:25:04
the elites will grow up, we will teach them everything,00:25:07
they will have excellent00:25:10
jobs, this is all good, only then there00:25:13
should be no pulling these people into the00:25:16
trenches, these families should have a chance to live a00:25:19
private life, earn money, fill00:25:22
jobs, that’s why every00:25:26
time there are rumors00:25:29
about partial mobilization then Peskov step by step00:25:32
someone else says no no no this won’t00:25:34
happen we don’t have enough contract soldiers we00:25:37
have enough Patriots who are going to be00:25:39
stationed there for Crocus or something00:25:42
else it’s all great but the concept00:25:46
can change at any second this00:25:48
government has no strategy no special tactics00:25:57
to the west And for this they will need00:26:00
manpower and Putin will make another00:26:03
appeal that we did not want to do this00:26:06
but the activity of the West is forcing us there,00:26:09
let’s say, so to speak, to announce another00:26:11
mobilization to defend the Motherland and forward,00:26:14
dear friends, this is also possible, but00:26:17
it will be This is how it is since the zone00:26:21
of unpredictability, not a single sociologist, not a00:26:23
single00:26:24
psychologist who deals with mass00:26:26
behavior will be able to predict how00:26:29
ordinary people will behave, as it were, ordinary00:26:31
deep people, so to speak, if00:26:34
they are disturbed for the second time just like in00:26:36
September October November twenty-two00:26:40
Well, it seems to me that just the majority00:26:43
of political scientists of your colleagues They say that in00:26:46
such a form as it was in September, it will00:26:48
not happen again because even these00:26:52
authorities realized their mistakes, but not only the00:26:55
activity of the West should raise00:26:57
motivation, but00:26:59
here you can also drag in the story of the00:27:00
crocus, where naturally the00:27:03
Ukrainian00:27:05
Trace was found. Well, everything can be dragged in,00:27:08
actually. This is the baseline now for00:27:11
explaining this event and it’s00:27:14
natural how to mix the absolute00:27:17
failure of the special services, their absolute00:27:18
ineffectiveness, absolute inability00:27:20
for those very00:27:22
taxes, but most people do00:27:28
n’t think about it, but00:27:30
nevertheless, you need to immediately show incredible00:27:32
cruelty to immediately implement this00:27:35
stink of hatred and unchanging feelings00:27:38
so that how to00:27:40
paint over00:27:42
this failure of yours and00:27:45
of course, it is necessary in the conditions of this00:27:47
confrontation What is the name of00:27:49
the existential, it is necessary to00:27:51
turn the arrows to00:27:54
Ukraine, these same00:27:56
interrogation of00:27:58
murder bandits who point to Ukraine, but in00:28:03
fact the state itself said we00:28:05
carry out torture in their relations and00:28:07
showed these tortures after What kind of00:28:10
trust can there be? As if the result under00:28:12
torture can be00:28:14
shown in any way, we know very well from the00:28:18
history of Stalin’s repressions. Well, that is, we00:28:20
knew before the Medin Kuno textbook,00:28:27
now there is no one, but again00:28:29
it’s easier for people to believe in what the TV says,00:28:31
in what the officials say, so it’s00:28:34
just that it’s easier to continue.00:28:36
This movement inside means the permanent00:28:39
Armageddon within which we00:28:42
live.00:28:45
So these problems are also being solved by00:28:48
propaganda quite successfully. I just00:28:50
would like to understand what percentage of the people and00:28:53
maybe it’s really00:28:57
gentle00:28:58
here in Crocus that the00:29:00
Ukrainian Trace leads. And what percentage00:29:03
of the population Well, frankly,00:29:05
they laugh at this What percentage of the population is00:29:27
inflated The topic is simply already very00:29:29
tired I’m kind of tired of it Put it aside I’m00:29:33
that rare supporter, so to speak, of00:29:36
assessing the sociological survey as enough, in00:29:38
any case, indicating the direction of00:29:42
movement of people’s external behavior,00:29:45
internal behavior has no effect the00:29:48
fact that Putin will leave and the fact that00:29:51
the war will end and external behavior influences because00:29:53
in any case00:29:55
the impression is given of the presence of this00:29:59
oppressive majority when it is extremely uncomfortable to be in the minority00:30:02
and the impression that everyone00:30:04
supports everything so this is how00:30:06
the samava is happening, that is, support for this very00:30:10
regime But this reality and it has00:30:13
practical meaning, the war does not00:30:15
stop, Putin remains in power, there are00:30:18
no protests, but we cannot measure00:30:22
the percentage there, I don’t know, I00:30:24
enjoy this very spectacle of torture,00:30:28
it will be possible to conduct such a00:30:30
study, you can ask such questions,00:30:32
but these will be very approximate figures.00:30:34
that that that as for the00:30:38
actual support not supporting the version of the00:30:41
Ukrainian00:30:42
trace, such research is quite possible00:30:45
to carry out one of them has already been I forgot00:30:47
the name of this00:30:49
organization the results were Fin00:30:56
Times NT which is a good sample00:30:59
compared to this one and a face to face interview00:31:02
is not a telephone interview but I am ready as I would argue00:31:06
that the result will be in favor of the Ukrainian00:31:09
version, it has always been like this since00:31:11
Skripal, it was like this with the downed Boeing in00:31:13
2014 when the Russians, not wanting to be00:31:17
on the side of evil, always say It’s not us, it’s00:31:20
definitely not Russia that’s behind00:31:22
it, the West is behind it there are00:31:24
Ukrainian special services and the Ukrainian army,00:31:26
but not us, this is repeated every time00:31:28
here, you don’t need to be Sep vol00:31:31
to predict that the majority,00:31:33
certainly more than 50%, will point to the Ukrainian00:31:36
Trace, it’s more convenient, again, even if00:31:39
the person himself doesn’t believe in it, he’ll00:31:43
say Well I’m a small person, I don’t00:31:46
understand this very well,00:31:48
the secret service knows better. So they are00:31:50
doing this professionally, so to speak,00:31:56
forced to do so, this is how it00:31:58
was and this is how it is, unfortunately, this is how it00:32:02
will be, and also without00:32:05
responsibility, this is to relieve oneself of any00:32:07
responsibility, even independent00:32:10
thinking. in the World Cup the problem is this00:32:13
mass average person, this is not a00:32:15
unique property of a Russian, but we have00:32:17
it. It’s00:32:28
interesting how what kind of transformation should then00:32:31
take place if you00:32:33
believed for many years that from00:32:37
Skripal this is the West, that from Crocus00:32:40
this is Ukraine And then I don’t know through In 600:32:44
years, in 10 years, I hope there will be00:32:48
changes and there will probably be an00:32:52
alternative point of view in Russia and00:32:54
on federal channels. I want to believe in it,00:32:56
but00:32:58
what will all these people00:33:01
who have convinced themselves for so long00:33:05
that they are not villains, but in fact, experience? it00:33:09
turns out that they were probably00:33:11
deceived. Well, there was a joke on this topic. That there00:33:14
will be a surge in work among00:33:18
psychologists. Well, now there is already a surge in00:33:20
work among psychologists and a surge in the00:33:22
use of tranquilizers,00:33:25
antidepressants, and what00:33:26
happened00:33:28
after the Stalin era, what00:33:30
happened in the post-Nazi era, when00:33:34
the average person said that Well this smoke from00:33:36
the crematoria Well, some kind of smoke we didn’t know, we didn’t want to00:33:39
know anything, the main thing is that we didn’t00:33:42
want to, like now, they don’t want to know anything,00:33:44
they don’t want to, in fact, there is00:33:47
an opportunity Technical to receive00:33:49
alternative news alternative00:33:56
opinions00:34:01
Lera, people who would not00:34:05
notice Stalin’s repressions are tired of waiting, the scale of00:34:08
Stalin’s repressions it was00:34:10
gigantic, but it was easy to say, and we didn’t00:34:13
know anything, comrades Stan didn’t know what they were00:34:16
doing, so to speak,00:34:26
his friend was in the dark that there00:34:29
was a monstrous mistake, a meme00:34:31
already with history, respectively. So we did00:34:36
n’t know anything, we were ready to take advantage of the fruits of00:34:39
Freedom no question, we are for00:34:42
democracy, for peace in the world and all00:34:44
that, the noms were misled and00:34:48
what we could have done in that00:34:54
situation00:34:56
with Niv. An expert from the Carnegie Foundation was on00:35:00
the air with us, it seems they talked about a00:35:03
wide range of issues and about the00:35:07
authorities’ reaction to Orsk and to what extent00:35:10
is there or is there no politics in this about Tsar00:35:14
Putin and about the tax counter-reform? As00:35:18
Andrei Kolesnikov rightly noted, before00:35:20
this, by the way, we constantly called it00:35:21
tax reforms and now I understand that we00:35:25
were00:35:26
wrong tax counter-reform tax00:35:31
counter-reform Thank you very much Kolesnikov00:35:34
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