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I’m taking you to Fabri Novin, I’m Irina00:00:02
heeled and with us on the air, Russian00:00:05
journalist sociologist and expert on00:00:07
Russian fascism Igor Yakovenko can00:00:10
introduce you like this Igor00:00:12
Aleksandrovich Well, why not, we’re00:00:14
really doing this So00:00:16
together with00:00:17
you Well, while we’re talking in00:00:20
Russia is imitating a three-day00:00:23
presidential election for the first time without observers and00:00:26
without any opponents, as you have already00:00:28
noticed and on my T it is important to understand. How will00:00:32
this phenomenon be appreciated in the entire civilized00:00:34
world if our Western partners and00:00:38
not only they do not recognize Putin as00:00:42
the winner will no longer be his to be called00:00:45
the President of the Russian Federation and what will00:00:47
this change in00:00:49
practice? You know, in fact, you00:00:52
singled out Irina right away00:00:58
in00:01:00
it, well, we can assume that it has already passed the entire00:01:03
Armed Forces, it has already taken place, it is already clear that there are00:01:07
no00:01:08
unknowns there, it is clear that Putin will get00:01:10
over 80% there with the turnout too close to00:01:15
80% Well, in fact, it doesn’t matter how many00:01:18
voted for him or whether00:01:20
they voted at all, but what is important is that the00:01:23
final00:01:25
protocol means Panfilova will sign00:01:27
exactly in this form, the00:01:30
unknown is really the00:01:32
only unknown is the00:01:34
reaction of the West. This is00:01:37
quite difficult to predict because00:01:38
today moment this is really a00:01:41
challenge A challenge to the West because it’s absolutely00:01:45
obvious Well, the obvious thing is that00:01:47
Putin is a usurper and an impostor00:01:50
He has long been a usurper and has long been an00:01:53
impostor But this time Well, everything is00:01:56
so obvious that you can’t admit it00:02:00
Well, it’s a shame because well, besides the fact00:02:04
that this is the fifth the term of a person who00:02:06
seems to live according to the Constitution, where00:02:09
only two terms are possible,00:02:12
this is a person who is going, events are00:02:16
taking place in the occupied territories as well.00:02:20
What is a crime and00:02:23
at gunpoint forcing00:02:25
people to00:02:26
vote is not like any00:02:30
elections since Putin has no00:02:32
opponents, there are just a few00:02:36
such card fools who, so to00:02:37
speak, in principle, do not say anything00:02:40
against Putin, but in fact00:02:42
are, as it were, an agitator for him. That00:02:45
is, all three are00:02:47
supposedly opponents, they are not00:02:50
ready to criticize Putin in any way,00:02:54
this is taboo, but in fact they are00:02:57
campaigning in support Putin,00:03:01
there are no observers at these supposed elections,00:03:07
filming is prohibited in a third of the regions, electronic00:03:11
voting, which is generally a00:03:12
black00:03:14
box,00:03:16
virtually any role of the press has been eliminated.00:03:19
Well, in short, there are a huge00:03:21
number of factors that00:03:23
directly prove that this event has nothing to do with the expression of00:03:25
the people’s will and has nothing to do with the00:03:28
essence of the matter, it’s just that, that’s it. that’s00:03:33
right,00:03:34
the oath to Putin, who must take the00:03:38
entire entire Russian population, and00:03:42
all this is passed off as some kind of00:03:44
vote, so it’s so00:03:46
obvious. So00:03:50
simple. Well, it’s openly00:03:53
that it’s impossible to admit00:03:55
this usurpation of power;00:03:58
it’s impossible00:04:00
to list too many of the features00:04:02
that make this event in no way00:04:04
similar. Even there is no imitation of elections,00:04:09
so today, indeed, this is a00:04:12
challenge. Because I think that I, and00:04:16
moreover, I am sure that some00:04:19
European countries will make such a decision, will declare00:04:21
non-recognition, to what extent the question00:04:24
remains the positive of00:04:28
America, the position of Canada and the so-00:04:32
called big old Western countries of00:04:35
Europe remains. Well, that’s the question but I really00:04:38
hope that00:04:40
this time, finally, Putin00:04:43
will be called not only a criminal, but also a00:04:45
usurper and an impostor, and they will no longer00:04:48
call him president and00:04:51
will try to have as little to do with him as possible. This00:04:53
seems to me to be the main and00:04:55
only result of this an event00:04:57
worth waiting for Well, what if Igor00:05:00
Aleksandrovich happens like this? As you00:05:02
say, the United States of America00:05:04
Canada and for example France Germany00:05:07
will say that the impostor tsar is not a real00:05:11
president not a real tsar, just00:05:12
maybe and that what will it change because00:05:16
well, they already are expressed their00:05:20
concerns in Ukrainian, how to say it in Russian00:05:23
when they are worried about something00:05:27
Yes, and that how you can00:05:31
touch you know this will just lead00:05:34
to the fact that they will stop00:05:37
feeling Putin, that is, the answer to the question x Mr.00:05:41
Putin was given by Ukrainian fans here in at one00:05:45
time, quite convincingly before00:05:48
this, long before Nikha, Nemtsov said about Putin00:05:52
everything that could be said in00:05:54
Russian Well, this is this00:05:58
diagnosis, well, in a different way, so to speak,00:06:01
in a slightly different language style, it should be00:06:03
reproduced in different00:06:05
languages, what are the consequences, what are the00:06:09
consequences that Putin a00:06:11
person who is not00:06:14
called president with whom no one00:06:16
wants to deal with, well, in essence, Ukraine is passing into the status of Lukashenko,00:06:20
this threshold00:06:23
was crossed by President Zelensky,00:06:26
who officially issued a decree00:06:29
prohibiting negotiations with Putin,00:06:32
like this, well, recognizing Putin as an00:06:35
impostor usurper actually00:06:37
takes him out00:06:39
outside the circle of communication, that is, it is quite00:06:43
possible that all the talk about the fact that Well, how is it that there is00:06:46
such a huge country there, occupying the entire00:06:49
northern part of Eurasia?00:07:01
with my colleagues, it’s00:07:06
normal there, I don’t00:07:08
know, you can communicate through diplomatic00:07:11
channels, you can communicate through some00:07:13
other channels, even through a military channel in the00:07:16
end. That is, no one cancels the00:07:19
possibility of some kind of communication,00:07:22
completely breaking all all communication channels00:07:25
is impossible and in the end00:07:28
and you can communicate00:07:31
with the Nazi Reich, some negotiations were held00:07:34
in the end, but not with00:07:37
Hitler, this is very important. I00:07:39
think this is an important important step that00:07:41
can be taken and this will00:07:43
largely put an end to00:07:48
this crazy epidemic of00:07:50
peacekeeping which, so to speak it00:07:51
just covered a significant part of00:07:54
the planet, ranging from the Pope00:07:57
to African00:08:00
presidents of a number of African countries, Brazil00:08:05
means, well, China, of course China00:08:08
will continue, of course. This is because they00:08:10
understand perfectly well what they are doing, Turkey00:08:13
Erdogan and so on, that is, Elon Musk Well,00:08:15
in short, a huge00:08:18
number of people who00:08:21
really want now for Ukraine00:08:24
to throw out the white flag and go and00:08:26
surrender and go to peace negotiations Well,00:08:30
the insanity of this00:08:32
action is enough. Sorry, obviously, but it00:08:35
seems to me that not recognizing Putin,00:08:38
declaring him an impostor of a usurper,00:08:40
it will make Well, at least it00:08:44
will make it difficult to talk about the fact that it is00:08:46
necessary to negotiate with him, this seems00:08:48
important to me. Well, the second thing also seems important to me. This is00:08:58
the moment there are00:09:01
no, so to speak, any00:09:03
prerequisites for an00:09:07
internal00:09:08
revolution to occur there. At the moment00:09:11
there are objective prerequisites, that is,00:09:13
the situation and standard of living and00:09:17
in general the very lifestyle of the top of Russia, the00:09:22
Russians, so to speak, the Russian00:09:25
upper echelon of Russian00:09:28
power, that is, the usual way of life00:09:32
when they steal in Russia, they spend in the West and00:09:34
when, so to speak, they buy00:09:37
real estate there in the West, they go to00:09:40
Paris for breakfast, then to London for dinner, and so00:09:43
on they teach their children00:09:45
abroad, this way of life Well, it hasn’t completely00:09:48
disappeared, but at least for many it has already00:09:52
disappeared and this is a real deterioration, that is, the00:09:57
so-called Russian middle class has00:09:59
also, so to speak, worsened their way00:10:02
of life because, in general, they haven’t00:10:04
gone anywhere German cars instead of them are00:10:07
Chinese Well, and so on That is,00:10:10
the brands have disappeared, that is, in fact, the upper and00:10:13
middle00:10:14
layer of Russia has sank quite a lot,00:10:19
so to speak, including00:10:22
this very top of the Russian government and00:10:25
it is not completely obvious that they are00:10:28
everything is under sanctions. They understand that they are00:10:31
now, in general, hostages and00:10:33
naturally there is dissatisfaction with Putin, but00:10:36
for now the fear has taken over and it00:10:39
seems to me that this action is when00:10:41
Putin will be branded not only a00:10:44
criminal but also an00:10:46
impostor under certain conditions, and00:10:49
these conditions can ripen in the event of a00:10:51
severe military defeat of Russia under00:10:53
certain conditions. I think and I00:10:56
hope that after all,00:10:59
I can say so, this may push the00:11:02
top of the Russian00:11:06
government to00:11:07
gradually begin to distance themselves from Putin. Yes,00:11:10
today fear is overpowering; today it will not00:11:12
work. But it will be a mine that00:11:16
laid down under the Putin00:11:19
regime, so to speak, It won’t00:11:22
explode now, it’s obvious, but you know.00:11:26
In such cases, all this can all00:11:30
detonate the00:11:41
same Crimea, that is,00:11:45
you understand, not a single00:11:48
event00:11:50
at the same time will destroy the Putin regime,00:11:53
but here these are the cracks that need to be00:11:56
must be done in this mode at the foundation of00:11:58
this regime and these cracks00:12:01
can ultimately00:12:02
lead to its collapse,00:12:05
I emphasize again This is one of those cracks00:12:07
that must be created in the foundation of the00:12:10
Putin regime and this must be00:12:14
done; it was recorded that you mentioned00:12:17
fear at the very first on the day of the so-00:12:20
called00:12:21
voting,00:12:24
several cases could be recorded of00:12:28
voters setting fires, throwing Molotov cocktails,00:12:31
filling ballot boxes with green00:12:34
paint, this may not be such a00:12:37
massive phenomenon, but not alone, and00:12:40
such cases were recorded in00:12:42
big cities and in Moscow on00:12:44
St. - Petersburg and in small towns00:12:47
and it’s interesting that I came across information00:12:49
that supposedly Some of those detained00:12:51
because, well, obviously these people were00:12:53
detained very quickly, they said that they were00:12:54
carrying out some secret mission,00:12:57
filming it on the phone, these were such00:13:00
isolated acts of protest against what was00:13:03
happening or this is some kind of00:13:04
planned systemic operation and who00:13:07
then could organize00:13:09
something like this, you know, I think these are different00:13:12
things, I saw some of the videos00:13:15
you are talking about, in particular the girl who00:13:18
flooded the ballots with green paint. Well, I don’t have the00:13:22
slightest doubt that this is a spark person00:13:25
who cuts in this way my00:13:29
position Well, let’s just say that the action is very00:13:33
risky, I unfortunately think that it is00:13:37
very possible that a criminal case will be opened against her00:13:39
and there is this00:13:42
article of obstructing the will of00:13:45
citizens. She is up to 5 years, this is a00:13:48
criminal punishment. Maybe I hope00:13:50
that of course they won’t do this, but judging00:13:54
by There are some signs that in general the authorities are00:13:58
in a mood for00:13:59
Wednesday, so this is a dangerous game, this is a dangerous00:14:03
game, of course it won’t00:14:05
give any results. But this is a well-known person in this way00:14:08
because it is clear that all these ballots00:14:10
covered in greenery will be counted and00:14:13
counted in favor of Putin. There are00:14:15
no special doubts here. but this is at least a00:14:18
public protest which, well, a person00:14:21
sincerely00:14:23
showed an attitude towards this00:14:26
like this, it’s a00:14:28
catch, it’s being filmed and00:14:31
reported, then I’m not ready to00:14:35
say now what it is, but there is some00:14:39
feeling that this is a00:14:41
continuation of what is being done. Here it is00:14:46
data published relatively recently,00:14:48
American intelligence data that terrorist00:14:54
attacks are being prepared Ryazan sugar and RDX00:14:57
in Russia00:14:59
and so to speak I do not rule out that this00:15:04
will happen again I do not exclude that there will be terrorist attacks, at00:15:07
least this cannot be completely ruled out00:15:09
because, after all, Putin is a GB officer and00:15:14
he is also surrounded by shame. And this is what00:15:19
was done when Putin came to power in the00:15:23
first elections. Well, or rather, then he was00:15:26
just starting his campaign as00:15:29
prime minister, uh, the bombings of houses in00:15:33
September00:15:34
1999, it was an action to00:15:37
bring Putin to power now already00:15:39
such an action is not necessary; it is excessive. But00:15:42
nevertheless, it cannot be ruled out at all that00:15:45
this will be done, so to speak, in00:15:47
order to unleash terror, that is, well,00:15:50
this kind of murder of Kirov in00:15:55
1934, which became the prologue for the00:15:59
Great Terror, I do not rule out What could00:16:01
happen terrorist attack still left left00:16:05
today two more days left I00:16:08
do not rule out that this may be in order to,00:16:11
so to speak, begin to00:16:13
completely00:16:15
eradicate some kind of dissent To00:16:17
simply walk with red-hot iron on00:16:20
Navalny’s supporters, even on00:16:23
Nadezhdin’s supporters there, I don’t know Will they00:16:27
start exterminate00:16:30
Davankov’s supporters But this again is already a question of00:16:34
such personal biography of specific people,00:16:37
but the fact is that this may not be00:16:40
necessary, but it may be because I00:16:42
say again, all those who organized the00:16:45
explosions of houses in 1999. They are00:16:47
alive, they are in place, the same Patrushev00:16:49
Yes, of course, he is 25 years older, but he00:16:53
is called a root and it is completely00:16:57
out of the question, I would say that these00:17:01
organizations of these, so to speak,00:17:04
explosions at polling00:17:06
stations, from my point of view, this is, well, this is00:17:10
definitely not in the style of00:17:13
Navalny’s supporters, and the meaning in general is00:17:16
simply00:17:17
there to organize00:17:19
terrorist attacks against people, civilians00:17:23
who came to vote Yes, they can be00:17:26
considered that they are making a mistake, it can be00:17:28
considered that they don’t know who00:17:30
they are voting for, but in any case, they are00:17:32
committing a stupid and wrong act,00:17:35
maybe they even support the00:17:37
Putin regime,00:17:39
but the tactics are like this terror against00:17:43
civilians, this is of course Well, this is what00:17:45
is called,00:17:46
this is what serves the benefit of the regime,00:17:50
of course, of course, I am absolutely00:17:53
convinced00:17:54
that Well, at least those people00:17:56
who are now organizing this00:17:58
action noon against Putin have nothing00:18:01
to do with this action have nothing to00:18:04
do with this neither00:18:06
Navalny’s supporters nor other people who00:18:08
today declare themselves to be the Russian00:18:11
opposition have. Most likely, I’m more than00:18:14
sure that these are00:18:16
provocateurs, it’s quite possible00:18:18
they are acting on orders from the FSB, maybe of course00:18:21
they’re some kind of Well, they’re just such00:18:24
idiots who are useful00:18:26
idiots for the Putin regime00:18:31
heard you, that is, this girl00:18:33
who so persistently threw a00:18:36
Molotov cocktail in St. Petersburg, you think00:18:38
that this is all, even if she sincerely did00:18:41
not see this00:18:44
on video, I have not seen this video, but once again I00:18:48
just want to say00:18:50
that there may be different versions here.00:18:53
Perhaps if this could really00:18:55
be some sincere person.00:18:57
You see, the00:18:59
tactics of this kind of terror have already been proven by00:19:02
history, it has been proven that this00:19:05
ultimately leads to a toughening of the regime,00:19:08
you see, there is a fundamental difference00:19:11
between, for example, those people who are00:19:14
now working as part of the00:19:17
Russian Armed Forces and who are part of00:19:20
territory means the Belgorod and Kursk00:19:23
regions. I mean the Legion of Free00:19:25
Russia, the Russian volunteer corps00:19:28
battalion, the00:19:29
Siberian battalion, these are the people who are00:19:31
really really fighting the Putin00:19:33
regime and there are no questions, they are00:19:37
the only one, in fact, this is the most00:19:39
important opposition to the Putin regime. At the00:19:41
moment, these are the Armed Forces00:19:44
Ukraine and those Russian guys00:19:46
who are fighting with arms in their hands00:19:49
against Putin. I think that people who, for00:19:53
example,00:19:54
now, for example, set fire to military registration and enlistment offices are00:19:57
also an understandable action.00:19:59
I’m not sure that it is very effective00:20:01
because there were some cases when, as a result of00:20:03
arson by the military registration and enlistment office,00:20:06
interruptions in recruiting with mobilization and so00:20:09
on, well, here at least it’s clear cases00:20:12
when, for example, the00:20:15
railway track is disrupted in00:20:17
order to prevent00:20:20
the transportation, so to speak, of trains with00:20:22
weapons, this is also a clear story of00:20:25
cases00:20:26
when some military facilities are blown up there,00:20:29
too. This is a correct,00:20:32
logical, understandable action in general00:20:34
partisan war under the00:20:36
fascist regime is a very complex,00:20:39
dangerous but noble cause, but00:20:42
organizing terrorist attacks means against the people00:20:46
who come to vote. Well, let’s say00:20:50
this is what it’s for. It’s designed to00:20:54
influence the end00:20:56
result. I think it’s lu.00:20:59
That is, it’s either done.00:21:02
task of the FSB in order to cause the00:21:05
defeat of the opposition or they are useful00:21:07
Idiots, this is just stupidity Well,00:21:11
listen to the history The history of my country00:21:15
convincingly proves that this is00:21:17
such individual terror - This is00:21:19
idiocy relatively recently means 100:21:24
Yes, what March 13th Was the anniversary,00:21:29
so to speak, of the assassination of Alexander I Well, a00:21:33
wonderful action, the Narodnaya Volya killed00:21:35
Alexander I class, well done What was the00:21:39
result, the reforms were curtailed to00:21:42
replace Alexander I00:21:44
came to blame Alexander spoke out00:21:49
adj adj Alexander00:21:54
II00:21:57
VM00:21:59
Well, I’m not saying that it’s not necessary, of course it00:22:02
would be great if someone00:22:04
could finish off Putin but that’s a completely00:22:07
different story. Well, unfortunately, it’s00:22:11
unlikely that anyone has any00:22:13
political will for this. Well, as for the00:22:17
attacks on polling stations. Well,00:22:20
well, they’ll damage the00:22:25
slope, someone00:22:27
just00:22:29
came in, so to00:22:31
speak, from state employees00:22:34
from so to speak, I came to vote under unwitting people00:22:36
and got burns. Well,00:22:40
who will feel better from this,00:22:42
what is the most important effect00:22:45
on the outcome of the vote on the outcome of this00:22:48
event. Therefore, I think that00:22:50
this kind of action is simply00:22:53
senseless and most likely harmful, also,00:22:56
by the way, like this one The Pon action00:22:59
against Putin is another senseless00:23:02
action which, unfortunately, was supported by00:23:05
almost all of my colleagues in the00:23:07
opposition movement. The action is quite00:23:10
senseless, but unfortunately it is00:23:13
impossible to stop here because00:23:16
here Navalny’s authority is already00:23:19
placed on this senseless00:23:23
action and a large number of leading00:23:27
politicians and00:23:29
public figures in Russia00:23:31
were joined by Khodorkovsky and the team of00:23:34
Navalny and Yulia Navalnaya, and this is00:23:38
really a00:23:39
continuation of the completely senseless and00:23:41
very harmful policy of attempts to overthrow the00:23:45
regime with such events as00:23:49
shining flashlights into the night sky or00:23:53
gathering at voting stations00:24:00
for whom00:24:02
Golosov from Krasnoye Kharitonov, who00:24:07
so to speak Well, it’s just that after this a00:24:09
person will live the rest of his life00:24:12
with the understanding that he cast his00:24:14
vote for this complete bastard00:24:17
or for Zaku Slutsky another complete00:24:20
bastard or for00:24:27
Davankov in fact in this situation Well, let’s00:24:31
just say that at this00:24:33
event which is mistakenly called00:24:36
elections, we won’t be able to change anything, we wo00:24:39
n’t be able to somehow undermine00:24:42
the regime or overthrow it, or in any way00:24:45
cause any damage to Putin.00:24:47
Therefore, there is no need to participate in this00:24:49
and in this situation, we00:24:51
just need to think about saving yourself from00:24:54
doing some actions for which you00:24:56
will later be ashamed, as for example in the case of00:24:59
smart voting when you are called upon00:25:01
to vote for any bastard except United00:25:04
Russia, and this bastard is often00:25:07
so to speak Well, no better than the Communist Party of the Russian Federation00:25:10
better than United Russia than the LDPR better00:25:13
than a united Russia, but they encouraged people to vote,00:25:16
and then people, so to speak,00:25:18
will then live their whole lives with the00:25:21
understanding that they voted00:25:23
for these scoundrels and to see how these00:25:25
scoundrels and on their behalf because they00:25:28
They cast their vote and on their behalf00:25:31
they are doing they support the most obscurantist00:25:34
fascist laws Well, after all,00:25:37
lessons need to be learned. After all, it was with00:25:39
these good intentions that00:25:42
the road to the AT in which we are00:25:44
now was paved. Right now we are00:25:47
calling on all those who disagree with the00:25:49
Putin regime to join the00:25:51
volunteer battalion Russia to the00:25:53
Legion of Freedom and donate to the00:25:56
Armed Forces of Ukraine, this is probably00:25:57
one of the most effective ways of00:26:01
anti-hunger. By the way, I remind you not to forget00:26:04
to join our conversation in00:26:06
the comments, write what you think00:26:08
about these I don’t know protests, that’s what00:26:11
they can be called, and about how00:26:13
the West could potentially react00:26:15
Well, this is a phenomenon called the00:26:18
Russian Presidential elections in 2024. Well, did00:26:22
you remember that fear can00:26:24
strengthen and the dictatorial regime that00:26:27
has already formed today,00:26:29
we have another such phenomenon - what00:26:31
we in Ukraine call Budanov’s sanctions00:26:33
or Malyuk’s sanctions when00:26:36
something periodically flies into Russia and just00:26:38
before the polling00:26:40
stations opened And the Kaluga Oil Refinery was00:26:44
hit with such a jewel, it was recorded even00:26:48
on the phones of some onlookers who00:26:51
were walking nearby And if we take00:26:54
such a retrospective of the last Well, even00:26:56
three weeks or month, you can notice00:27:00
how such reports that00:27:02
something is flying somewhere in Russia have become an00:27:04
absolutely common occurrence; we see this00:27:06
virtually every day, sometimes00:27:08
several times a day, and if before it00:27:11
was some kind of single drones that00:27:13
broke windows Moscow City, now they are00:27:16
flying in such good flocks of 4000:27:18
Drones of 50 each and achieving the00:27:22
goals set for this attack, how much does this00:27:25
affect00:27:29
Russia’s awareness that they live in a warring00:27:31
country and how does this change their attitude towards the00:27:34
regime or is this still not the case?00:27:36
a mass phenomenon and many people see the00:27:38
war only on00:27:40
TV Well, firstly, it’s00:27:42
really not a mass00:27:43
phenomenon. This means that the war is felt in the00:27:48
Belgorod region, the war is felt in the00:27:51
Kursk00:27:52
region, maybe in00:27:59
Russia in general there are no wars on the territory of Russia,00:28:01
there are no separate attacks on some00:28:04
facilities at oil00:28:06
refineries with metallurgical00:28:10
plants such as the Novolipetsk00:28:12
Metallurgical Plant or Severstal in00:28:15
Cherepovets yes this this this is very00:28:18
very good pinpoint strikes00:28:21
that00:28:23
really hit00:28:26
Russia’s military potential I’m not even talking about the00:28:29
actual destruction of the former Black Sea00:28:31
Fleet which is now no longer there00:28:33
No I’m not talking already about very successful00:28:36
operations of attacks on such classes of00:28:40
aircraft as reconnaissance aircraft of00:28:42
which Russia already has very few left.00:28:44
That is, this is a very good,00:28:46
correct thing. And once again they emphasize00:28:49
this, these raids in the Kursk and00:28:54
Belgorod regions of Russian00:28:56
Volunteers, although they of course do not wear00:28:59
any something of an important military nature,00:29:03
because they came out, so to speak,00:29:05
especially there is no strength to gain a foothold there, but this is an00:29:09
important important History, this is a00:29:11
kind of reconnaissance in force and this is, to some00:29:14
extent, a Feast. You said correctly that00:29:17
we need to support, we need to talk more00:29:19
about these people because although now they are00:29:22
like, well, as military experts say,00:29:24
they are fighting very well, valiantly and00:29:27
courageously, but00:29:28
their numbers clearly do not yet00:29:31
allow them to carry out00:29:33
any serious actions, but in principle, in the00:29:36
future there is a chance, it is not one hundred percent,00:29:38
it is not guaranteed, but there is a chance of creating00:29:41
some a00:29:42
large Russian Volunteer Army00:29:45
that will be able to set the goal of00:29:47
overthrowing the regime, that is, because the00:29:50
Armed Forces of Ukraine will set such a goal00:29:52
before the00:29:57
current00:29:58
leadership of Ukraine will set the goal of00:30:01
shifting to change the regime in Russia there the00:30:05
task is set clearly and clearly and00:30:07
the obligations to the allies are such00:30:10
that the task is liberation00:30:13
territory of Ukraine, but in no way a00:30:16
displacement or change in the Russian00:30:20
political regime, so the war will not00:30:24
stop00:30:26
if the occupiers are thrown back at the00:30:29
border of the ninety-first year and therefore00:30:32
who will be involved in overthrowing the regime,00:30:35
no one turns out to be no one, and there is a00:30:38
little hope, it’s not one hundred percent,00:30:40
but you know00:30:45
everything it all depends on the goals set. I00:30:47
believe that this is a very important goal to create00:30:51
inside, with the help of the Ukrainian armed forces, a00:30:56
seriously00:30:59
Russian volunteer army that00:31:01
would set this task and ultimately00:31:06
some citizens of Ukraine could join it today, by the way.00:31:09
in the third year of the war,00:31:13
some changes occurred in the00:31:15
public consciousness in Ukraine when00:31:17
already 15% of Ukrainian citizens, in accordance with00:31:20
mass polls, say that00:31:23
the war must be ended on the territory of00:31:25
Russia; it is00:31:29
clear that this will not be a00:31:31
decision of the political leadership of00:31:33
Ukraine. But these could be00:31:34
voluntary some kind of detachment of00:31:37
Ukrainian Ukrainian military personnel00:31:40
who can join their00:31:43
fellow soldiers, their comrades in arms, so to speak,00:31:45
Russian volunteers00:31:48
who will go, so to speak, to liberate00:31:51
Russia from the fascist occupation. This is00:31:56
unlikely in today’s situation.00:32:00
But it’s possible that this cannot be ruled out, I00:32:03
have to work for this because I00:32:05
It seems that with the defeat of the00:32:09
Russian occupation army, the matter will not end until00:32:11
Putin is in power. Russia will00:32:13
pose a threat to the huge00:32:15
strategic threat to the entire00:32:26
Eurohangar. These are00:32:29
rehearsals. What do you00:32:31
think? How many Russians understand? This is what00:32:34
you are talking about, that this will not end until the00:32:36
regime is overthrown and potentially00:32:40
could join these Russian00:32:43
volunteer formations as part of the00:32:47
Ukrainian00:32:48
army What kind of audience is this?00:32:52
You know, yes, I understood the question and unfortunately00:32:56
I do not have a quantitative answer to the question00:32:58
because you and I have already00:33:03
discussed this topic in totalitarian00:33:06
fascist regimes, survey sociology is impossible,00:33:10
so we cannot give a quantitative00:33:13
answer to this question for many reasons,00:33:16
firstly, there is no measurement tool.00:33:18
Because people are afraid to ask people00:33:22
whether you think that the fascist regime of00:33:24
Putin needs to be destroyed by force. Well, how00:33:27
will we ask this in asking this00:33:29
question on the streets or on the phone? Let's00:33:33
also imagine that we would have00:33:35
asked the same questions in the thirty-eighth00:33:37
year on the streets of Moscow or there In the forty-00:33:40
first year on the streets of Berlin in00:33:42
relation to Stalin, Stalin and Hitler,00:33:45
respectively, the answer is clear, so00:33:50
I cannot give an exact quantitative answer to your question, but this is the first and the00:33:54
second is a figure changeable She00:33:58
understands now, while this possibility is00:34:01
only00:34:03
abstract I think that a very small00:34:06
part can share00:34:10
these00:34:11
beliefs with me, a very small part Well, let's00:34:13
put it this way00:34:15
Let's quantitatively estimate,00:34:18
let's try to00:34:21
estimate the quantity not as percentages But some small00:34:25
fragments of the audience what subscribers to my00:34:29
channel means at the moment there are00:34:32
about00:34:34
260,000 among them 43% are Russians So00:34:39
they for the most part agree with what00:34:41
I say, that is, we see What it is This is hundreds of00:34:45
thousands For example,00:34:47
Mark Feigin adheres to approximately the same point of view Well,00:34:50
about the same point of view, he has00:34:52
an audience of 2 liters, there are also00:34:56
quite a lot of Russians there Milne Well, that is, let’s say00:34:59
this is not the majority But this is a00:35:02
significant part, this is a lot That is,00:35:05
I think00:35:07
that, well,00:35:09
probably several million people in00:35:11
Russia, approximately, I’m not saying that the00:35:14
intonations here are word for word may be00:35:15
different, but not00:35:19
all of them think something like this;00:35:22
first of all, they are able to carry weapons, everyone is ready. Well,00:35:26
due to age and health, not everyone00:35:29
can join the Russian00:35:32
volunteer corps of the Legion of00:35:34
Free Russia or the Siberian00:35:35
battalion, but they can support from Russia; it is00:35:39
quite difficult to do this but00:35:42
nevertheless, under certain circumstances, I00:35:45
think00:35:46
that00:35:48
during the defeat of the occupiers during the transition00:35:52
from the occupation zone when00:35:56
some significant00:35:59
territories, such as Crimea, are returned under Ukrainian rule, there may be00:36:03
quite00:36:04
serious changes in public consciousness,00:36:06
you understand, a few, a very small00:36:10
number of Prigozhin’s fighters calmly walked00:36:14
along the highway to Moscow March of Justice00:36:18
There will certainly be no direct analogies here00:36:19
because Prigozhin was perceived00:36:21
as such an ally of Putin, that is, it00:36:24
was not clear at all what was going on there,00:36:27
so to speak. Well, such a00:36:30
quarrel between our own is understandable, but here00:36:34
we understand Russian00:36:36
public consciousness differently Although it is now00:36:38
very it is difficult to measure, but it00:36:41
has one amazing property00:36:43
which I, as a sociologist,00:36:46
have been studying the00:36:48
public consciousness of Russians for many decades. I know for00:36:50
sure one feature is inversion, an00:36:53
instant transition from plus to minus,00:36:56
today they00:36:58
think today, tomorrow, differently today. These00:37:02
people, so to00:37:05
speak,00:37:07
are shaking from Lenin and the manifesto of the00:37:10
Communist Party tomorrow they are standing with a00:37:12
candle, which means this is happening00:37:15
instantly, it’s just that a00:37:18
person sometimes even in one day. I00:37:21
think this mven hits the ground00:37:26
right away, a devout communist remains a00:37:29
devout Christian, it’s just that even00:37:33
without a reservation, without understanding, the transformation of a00:37:36
person, it usually happens everything -00:37:38
as a result of such a slow00:37:41
change there, I really00:37:44
like to read Sakharov’s diaries. How00:37:47
his views changed, so he00:37:50
really began00:37:54
to see the development of the transformation of a00:37:56
person from the one who helped00:38:00
Stalin make the hydrogen bomb and Beria the00:38:03
hydrogen bomb to the man who became the00:38:05
greatest humanist of the 20th century And this00:38:08
was really a change under the00:38:10
influence of information under the influence of00:38:13
some events. Many changed like this. And00:38:16
here an inversion occurs instantly,00:38:18
it clicked and that’s it. And the same thing will happen,00:38:21
I’m sure in the public consciousness00:38:24
there will be a00:38:25
change in attitude00:38:27
towards this war,00:38:31
you know, Russian Russian philosopher00:38:35
Vasily Rozanov, whom I really don’t00:38:37
like, he nevertheless spoke a00:38:39
lot of very precise words and he said that00:38:43
Russia took off in 2 days, well, in00:38:48
extreme cases, in three, and Russia always00:38:50
sheds in 2 days, in extreme cases, in three,00:38:53
she shot everything like that year, it was so accurately00:38:56
shot in the form of the Soviet Union. In the ninety-00:38:59
first year, 3 days and there is no Soviet Union,00:39:03
that’s it. You see, in the seventeenth year, 3 days and there00:39:07
is no Russia, and that’s it, and here the00:39:11
same inversion will happen - this is a feature, this is00:39:15
such a socio-cultural phenomenon00:39:18
that is in Russia has been for00:39:20
centuries, this is a feature of the00:39:23
Russian system, a feature of the Russian00:39:25
consciousness, which by definition has no00:39:28
center, does not have some kind of stable00:39:33
base. That is, this And it hasn’t gone anywhere00:39:36
and it will work again, I’m convinced of it.00:39:40
Well, then we’ll continue to help00:39:42
Russia shed. Thank you Igor00:39:45
Oleksandrovich I tell my friends that we00:39:47
are the leader of Russian fascism and the00:39:50
Russian sociologist Igor Yakovenko, drink00:39:54
on our channel down to our romo00:39:58
Well, give us a likeness, trim00:40:00
our work in such a rank and until the next day00:40:03
zust on Fabry00:40:06
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