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secondarily a specialist in
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various
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kind of cult to religion someone can
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call powerful sects under different names
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sort of
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religious they entered into historical
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aspect and since now the topic is paganism or
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How it's called
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interpretation of modern
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electricity she is enough
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relevant because the question is raised
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O
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historical origin about the difference in
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time about the doom of the people
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traditions of a particular belief and
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actually some parameters of this
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historicism on which he places his
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representative of various kinds
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religious jewish own
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Highnesses and not let's say they are
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they are a subject for discussion
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and everyone to have this discussion
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qualitatively
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ocarina succumbing to vanity
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parameters including except time we
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just brazenly x 0
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so that your erudition in this is easier
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was as wide as possible like this
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purpose and most important meaning
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here is the story from these positions we
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we will evaluate
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the presence of a pagan cult on
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limits of settlement of the ancient Slavs or
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Russian people and here we are talking about
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our country and cut off the parameter yourself
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you can draw conclusions about the validity
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or unreasonable relevance or
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the inappropriateness of those provisions that include
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you can hear from those around you
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people from peers and from respected
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letters from people who recently passed away
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satirist Mikhail Zadornov who
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In recent years, fold the sari has been
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historian history about philology
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well let's say
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someone evaluated him letters goals psychosis
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someone is not so serious here I am
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seems 0 who can
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answers to possible questions and in every way
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case, some kind of platform should be placed under
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our ideas about what is now
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Russia actively manifests itself in life
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thank you, I’m almost here a little right away
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I'll correct what I said a little
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regarding hailo zadornov he was not
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historian historian of philology
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he pretended to be here
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historians and historian of oncology to what extent
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this is a successful claim and hope with you
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let's talk, I would like it to be ours
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meeting you first, traveling
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I wanted when hello I wanted what
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our meeting with you took place in the mode
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dialogue and therefore I welcome your
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questions here is the first half of our meeting
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will be dedicated to his paganism, well
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then the second half will definitely be already
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determined by your questions
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wishes on a variety of topics like
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historically so and sectarian because
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Perhaps you already have some questions
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accumulated but even when I
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I will talk about the paganism of me
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it’s quite possible to stop asking
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clarify and or justify there what I
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I say because again
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audience unfamiliar to me I don’t know
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what you know and what you don’t know is why here
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this is your time to go back
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communication is very useful, that is, I will then
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I’ll be guided by your questions
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and raise where to continue the conversation
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although there are several positions complete
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ultrasound that would like to see you
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convey but this is what I think so
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everyone has time to do it
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feedback will help to do this
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most effective, here we go
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you know, somehow everything is going for me
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waves and as for the novelty of and
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honor for yesterday and today
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This is the third day in a row
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porn eloise honor as it is itself
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it turned out to be me, it’s me and it’s not like that
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planned although I had a meeting with you
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planned earlier today later
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this morning there was a conference on
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one paganism that formed
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a little later after I
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Father agreed last night
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meeting of the expert council at
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Ministry of Culture where I am the chairman
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that's how the question was also considered
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about analyzing the number by part there
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registration attempt 1
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Vedic sect
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from one Russian city insofar as
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since the decision not to go out has not yet been made
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taken out nothing I therefore nothing
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I can’t say anything more specific, but here it is
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everything just kept getting better
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the conference was probably not even where
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the conference was a meeting
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specialists regarding possible
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release
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collective monograph of articles on
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paganism and the question was just in
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classification into paganism and disassemble
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all this is a rather complex topic and here it is
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this is actually the first most boring
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it's a little bit to define the terms
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the term is always the most boring thing is
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that for me personally it’s generally very very
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widespread phenomenon
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when you and I talk about it
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paganism more often when people say has
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I see only one of its subsections is so
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called nativism nativism is attempts
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but you can turn off what they say
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founders of one or another technical
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groups of sects or directions are attempts
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revival of pre-Christian beliefs
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of this country
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the nose fashion for majesty is much wider
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because in general 1 paganism came with
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Yurevich movement movement of the new era
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Jovic means the new era is which
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originated in the sixties
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twentieth century it has roots in spiritualism
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theosophy and youth brand culture
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60s, that is, this youth
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subculture but here it is in its aspect
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take hallucinogens and oriental
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meditations when it all came together
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gave about the movement of the new era which
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says that Christianity lived
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Christianity itself belongs to antiquity
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already what is this, this is the era of fish
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astrological now the earth is entering
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the era of Aquarius where there will be a new religion
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open
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fair
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feminine fluid occult there and so
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further and the like in contrast to
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rigid male there motionless religion
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Christianity and within the framework of this
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at first glance amorphous but in reality
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really very much like that
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eclectic nominations not hiv she's like with
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on one side amorphous eclectic with
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on the other hand, somehow it’s all in it
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coexist in a single mosaic and so
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one of these aspects is the development of niu
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pagan
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the language of pagan cults or rather the bottom
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it started in England in the 60s 20
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century late 50s early 60s when no one
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Gerald Gardner became such an occultist
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revive what he thought
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revive the religion of the ancient Celts
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which he called veganism the religion of the century
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the name tells you something: no
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here it is and what yes yes here he wrote with one
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ashes but then a little bit a little bit
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through w so he signed then so that
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add more added
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that's how they put it, they started writing before that, well
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veganism means witchcraft but themselves
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you understand that if some woman calls
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themselves as a witch, they can probably understand that
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this speaks about the properties of its
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character and if you tell me it’s vegan
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priestess sounds absolutely perfect
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differently and 2 with him and veganism
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originated but this is such a thin fish
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the substance that she has become
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change even after Gardner's death
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has also changed enough and
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Now veganism is one of them
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most common on it
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pagan trends and no need to think
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that veganism is just Western
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phenomenon here
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our vegan organizations are the first
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in religion the first in the Republic of Mari El
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organized vegan kovan and eat
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there are a few more and they are widespread
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common that veganism is everything
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brings it together first
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dualism, that is, the presence of belief in the presence of 2
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male and female deities
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equal equal deities and
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secondly, nature worship is everything
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the rest is quite wide
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shared even though we can
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American residents can be like
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a man is like a woman, but here are the centuries
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gardner ovskaya speak classification from
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not the only century because there are more
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several others we can't giant
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directions there is a so-called series
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century which is based partly on fairy tales
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afiyah partly in bondage partly in
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Theosophy there is so very mixed
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mortality also for the 50s
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twentieth century organized there is still
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I'm such a radical feminist, I'm Vika
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demonic age there are several best
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several several of these very vegan
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options but also unites them
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the only symbol is the pentacle
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and inverted. upside down
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five-pointed star because of which many
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they are mistaken for satanists
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but here they are and in every possible way from this
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disowns, they say that we have not become st.
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and just this ancient perry
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inverted five-pointed star
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inscribed in a circle so so it is necessary so
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called a pentacle this is common
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vegan symbol but besides veganism
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there is also something called this
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nativism nativism is what I am
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said these are attempts at revival
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pre-Christian beliefs of each given
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countries it differs from the wiki in a number of ways
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parameters because if centuries I
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after all, a creation of the 50s which
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founded
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partly some ethnological
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research partly on ritual magic
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partly on there all kinds
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esoteric movements the course of theosophy yes
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there's Aleister Crowley's Satanism all together
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this is what connected to Vika
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concerns nativism, but nativism is already
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product of the later sixties
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seventies
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which is based on the fact that it
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the founders consider the best achievements
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and ancient paganism
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connections with modern creativity
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and just like the modern occult
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new era movements
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that is, in other words, if
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ordinary participants of one or another
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pagan sects believe that
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really their religion is what what
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what do they believe in this ancient one
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Greek there Germanic Slavic tab
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Celtic paganism and so on
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managers
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they know very well and say openly that
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We have nothing ancient, here we are
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creating a new tradition this this this
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completely new and it's the same as theirs
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united by such severe rejection
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Christianity and deny denials
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Christianity and, in fact, anyone
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any moment of tourist tradition in
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in principle but of course in 1 first place
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Christianity, even they themselves are neo-pagans
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construct the history of religion this way
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way that they say polishing
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name
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field stentorian these are ancient pagan
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religions that ancient peoples had
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partly they still exist today but
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for example Hinduism and change food they say
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I like the Hinduism that exists now
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the one that was before the 16th century before the influence
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Islam to Hinduism
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that's Shintoism there, Confucianism there
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something else then there is a measure
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paganism they they say paganism a
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these are attempts to revive watering paganism
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but which is spoiled by influence and shaking
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monotheistic religions that is
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for example, Rosicrucian Freemasonry
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it is not they who refer to mehmet meza
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paganism and by the way
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pseudo Hindu sects whirling 1 st.
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that is, for example, a society of consciousness
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Krishna who arose from the union
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Hinduism with Islam there and so on and so on
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what is all this about paganism and
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accordingly, there is neopaganism, this is us
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this is just the best thing this revival
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will give birth to the ancients
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but refracted through a prism
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modern there modern
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occultism of the modern movement of the new
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era and
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and so on, well, this one is just for
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imagine a little that cars and
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the pagans who talk about
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restoration of the religion of Perun or
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svarog or porridge or something else, what is it
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not a separate, not isolated phenomenon
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this is part of an international movement
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which is written off like this
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common occult roots and beyond
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these again, I apologize for
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so boring and the introduction but to us
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it was necessary to understand
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because there are not pagan sects
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all kinds, that is, group association
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and so on but most people
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who consider themselves failures or
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They share this ideology even in
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sections are not special and not special to the heart
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belong to these people who are just
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there can enter Quito groups will be able
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do not enter well, which is everyone himself for
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itself constitutes a certain connection here
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these ideas that are something
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takes something does not take something moving
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something moves pushes to the first
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the plan itself makes a certain
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such a pagan picture of the world, that is
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he just considers himself a pagan and
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thinks this is convincing but somehow
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does not belong to group may belong
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maybe it will be like this, this is it
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there is one like this, let's say enough
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widespread like this
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ideological to paganism not group
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namely, ideological and also
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more broadly it is actually occult
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background society
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this is what Weasley quality is
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fuels this circle of occult ideas
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which people quite accept as
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a given that people share
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people perceive
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for granted without even thinking about it
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this is all the possibility in general
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Hindu terms are different there are chakras
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nor can be called energetic
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the centers of the river somewhere are the mantras of which
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which is one way or another to pronounce
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this is reincarnation
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astrology which
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which actually seals everything to faith
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belief in the evil eye, damage in different ways
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psychic abilities well
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actually that's all that's all that's all that's that
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This is a scientific term called
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occult background of society and well, there is one
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even a simple distribution test here
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this occult society I think
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what if I'm here gathered here
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please raise your hands for those who don't know
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your horoscope sign sign sign
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zodiac zodiac is not even like that
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there is therefore astronomical that you
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don't know sign yes yes
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bright spoke and said that it was early
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peasants
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they used brest st well
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do the thing is no early christians
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they didn't use a horoscope in that
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the sense in which we understand them today
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it was just astronomy back then
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separate ones have not yet emerged
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science astronomy was a connection associated with
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astrology but which already somehow
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chemistry was related to alchemy and
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then it’s simple but astrology is like that
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understands this today for sure
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some kind of religious system which, well,
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religious system it has we have
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place to be and has the right to the right
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exist precisely as a religious
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the system is another thing that is religious
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the system is simply incompatible with
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Christianity therefore a person should
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choose either he believes that the stars
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has a certain influence on it
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life or he professes Christian
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the world is another matter that this Yandex system
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science is not compatible
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but again this is what a person wants
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believe not in scientific data in
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astrology then this and in his his his rights
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Well, within the framework of, say, Babylonian
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religious system where Babylon was believed
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that every star corresponds
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to a certain god and accordingly
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man is born at the time when god
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take a look, I forgot, sorry
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therefore God has a certain
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influence on his life
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Well, yes, she’s one of the pagans
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religious systems please, that is
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people want to believe it but who some
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who will forbid him, but that’s just it
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in no way compatible with Christianity and
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if again we
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if she if we believe that
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stars are nothing more than celestial bodies
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which definitely buy physical
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Mars influences us all
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I too will be affected physically, but
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It’s just that this physical influence is much
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less than this from this cup
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because well, there's something there before some
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rays from mars
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undoubtedly it comes, but it’s clear that
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they can't possibly my character
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shapers or something else long ago in a
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this is a good question thanks one wise men
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as we know that is
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they were originally pagans and
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accordingly used one or another
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pagan pagan data question
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of course it was with the church fathers before the truth
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sport was it really a star
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Is God a physical phenomenon?
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I'll take advantage of sent an angel
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instead of stars which I will let you down
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stars who led them to the savior but
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there are very good sermons about the Magi
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Is it the devil who is just saying this?
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they were there as an astrologer and their star
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brought to the Christ child
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and then in a dream they received a command from God
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that you didn’t return home different
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by what more to astrology they already
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never returned what has come
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the era of Christianity and more astrology already
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up to date scripture
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yes yes yes that's what the other way is that's it
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astrology is already on this
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astrology is over and I'm her time
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it's been charging for so long
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beautiful just such a comparison
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but in any case, if we are still here
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our main main topic was well
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called Slavic na from and quality
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and approach it from the point of view of history
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that is, to what extent is it historically
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what do the Slavic people do to him?
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pagans but of course this one itself
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Slavic paganism is very similar
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fragmented from fragments fragmented
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field where there are many groups
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factions
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sect communities and so on of various
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each of whom believes in something different
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about all this then on
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pagan but also occupied for the word parties
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there is an American saying
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which I really like the sound of
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it's so received but also jeans are all driving
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one Indian
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this is just very good
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fits into a new physical get-together
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because there are all magicians and very few
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just ordinary ordinary pagans a little
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that a new wolf immediately appears
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everyone leads in their own direction
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says that it is he who revives
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ancient Russian religion and actually
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main argument referred to
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but the pagans are patriotic then
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what actually attracts young people to them?
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mostly patriotic
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determined what they say but we are for
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traditional religion is traditionally the same
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the one that was originally we are there we are
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against any foreign
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where which brings us to us
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imposed but the most traditional religion
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for the Russian people this is paganism because
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that before Christianity came here
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there was esii honor means that if we
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talk about the most traditional
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then let's talk about paganism
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seems to support us because we are here
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there is the most traditional faith there is 10
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a forgery, which is actually all this
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construction
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refutes the fact that then when
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there was no paganism of the Russian people
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there were scattered tribes of the clearing
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Drevlyans
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Vyatichi Krivichi a little bit so on
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Slavic tribes Finn tribes
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Finno-Ugric tribes and
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various others each had their own pantheon
00:23:40
everyone had their own gods and they were all friends
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fought with a friend
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found out whose gods are stronger than the gods
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allow neighbors to win and so on
00:23:51
so the first question if we talk about
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the revival of ancient paganism
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which it is paganism that we will revive
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paganism of the Vyatichi or paganism of the Krivichi
00:24:01
paganism of the glade or paganism of the Drevlyans
00:24:04
or we will all divide again into tribes and
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we will fight each other but more or less
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actually it's the same thing
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happening in the new pagan get-together
00:24:14
Well, they are all separated from each other there
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each other and everyone is very strong
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love well, that's how different tribes I am
00:24:22
fighting each other is of course like that
00:24:25
interesting option but what does it have to do with it
00:24:28
patriotism is what it really is
00:24:32
surprising but matches plans
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Adolf Hitler who has one like this
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Hitler's Table Talk book
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which have already been written
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that is, various of his conversations were collected
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which even before the war was carried out
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and in particular there is one conversation where
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he says about the future war with Russia
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doesn't say because when we're with
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we will fight with the Russians, it is necessary for them
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divide that in each village there would be
00:25:00
of various sects
00:25:02
the more the better and the rougher the
00:25:05
the more pagan these sects are, the better
00:25:08
he failed to do this during
00:25:10
time of war
00:25:11
but now there are those people who are the forces
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let's say who are very interested
00:25:18
so that this is exactly what everything is
00:25:20
developed exactly according to this scenario
00:25:22
but again, patriotism is not a shoulder here
00:25:24
because this is how smooth it is
00:25:25
the opposite of patriotism and of course
00:25:27
need to be taken into account
00:25:29
whether we like it or not, the fact is that
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Russian people were born in the font of the prince
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Vladimir, the Russian people began in 988
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years, that is, it is clear that this is not
00:25:43
at once it's here
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I was Russian folk times he appeared
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on property baptism of Rus'
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gradual formation begins
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it's tribal about the community that has become
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Russian people and he created Orthodoxy
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our language is Orthodoxy
00:26:04
Well, actually, the Russian people are food and
00:26:07
further further further
00:26:08
own Russian people to Orthodoxy
00:26:09
as if statehood in
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political modern Kulikovo
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battle zeke dunwall as russian
00:26:18
modern mouth happened immediately tired
00:26:20
to the Russian people for the first time
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a community that has confessed has realized itself
00:26:23
as Russian Russian people term which
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was called by the Russian people this is just
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appeared after the baptism of Rus'
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go states appeared appeared
00:26:32
after the baptism of the state and appeared
00:26:33
after after the baptism of Rus'
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and literature culture architecture everything
00:26:41
actually when appeared appeared after
00:26:44
after shouting the baptism of Rus' is inevitable
00:26:46
even our language itself is both
00:26:50
created on created Orthodoxy
00:26:53
because even the most fanatical
00:26:58
pagans don't care when each other
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simplified say see you next time
00:27:02
Sunday they are next next
00:27:05
day of the sun so why yes they are here
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mom in that d90 in English
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Sondo I in Russian from Sunday to
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Greek in Greek ki reiki for kerio
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gamer day of the Lord and here we go
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in Europe but really because
00:27:34
that the European peoples are not burdened with
00:27:37
Christian history our own ru
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the Russian people were born exactly like
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Orthodox peoples therefore people
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recognized himself as a people created by God
00:27:47
this is this, there's no escape and
00:27:50
sustainable word today that's interesting
00:27:52
like everyone as each nation calls itself
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end of this year goodall dane bow kind
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old educated germany belle
00:28:03
france
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Beautiful France and Rus' is Holy Rus'
00:28:09
not because our ancestors believed that
00:28:12
they are better than other nations and only but
00:28:13
simply because they were aware
00:28:15
ourselves as God God created people once
00:28:22
reasonable germany reasonable germany what
00:28:25
she's never been darker than
00:28:28
Russian tribes
00:28:31
well, it will help, that’s not ideal
00:28:35
I gave up in this case I'm talking about
00:28:37
heard the stable phrase that
00:28:39
yes, I don’t argue with your assessment
00:28:43
Well, I don’t know, but how do people behave?
00:28:45
perceived this way the people wanted wanted themselves
00:28:48
see on vacation germany germany was
00:28:56
patchwork patchwork quilt but how to
00:28:59
no less a certain sense of common Germanic
00:29:01
there was enough community
00:29:04
quite a long time ago the whole question was only
00:29:06
there around
00:29:07
which center will Germany unite?
00:29:10
there is still actually a 30-year-old
00:29:12
the war feeling of the German is quite quite
00:29:14
was that is, either around the Berlinale
00:29:16
Bogolyubova around around vein is there
00:29:19
there were releases of the Prussian model either or
00:29:20
the Austrian illuminated model would be
00:29:22
much more intense which
00:29:25
included the Slavic tribes around
00:29:28
in Berlin the pain is more severe
00:29:30
German on the Don in any case there
00:29:31
sense of pan-German community
00:29:33
wasn't always needed
00:29:36
well, only the one we
00:29:40
holy 500 years with which we celebrate and but
00:29:45
actually yes
00:29:47
The 30 Years' War has just begun
00:29:49
after after the emergence of the reformation but
00:29:51
this is not a separate topic, a separate topic
00:29:53
European history there we are very very
00:29:56
very interesting new now we are again
00:29:59
we're talking about talking a little bit a little bit
00:30:01
be different side topic okay
00:30:07
the following is important important important topic
00:30:12
and so that is traditional
00:30:14
traditional paganism then also
00:30:16
it is very important that we are talking about ancient Slavic
00:30:19
paganism our knowledge is not so much
00:30:23
to say minimally even less than
00:30:24
minimal because some direct
00:30:29
we have no historical sources
00:30:31
left that is, there is most of us
00:30:34
we know from Christian chronicles
00:30:37
more Slavic and Byzantine ones from
00:30:40
there are a few Slavic Byzantine ones
00:30:41
Armenians have a little, Arabs have a little
00:30:45
built for as long as they traded
00:30:47
Slavic coffins are accordingly not there
00:30:49
described their customs a little and in that
00:30:53
including their religious customs
00:30:54
this, well, this is a little bit for me, we know from
00:30:58
archaeological excavations but according to them
00:31:01
restore something truly ancient
00:31:03
Slavic paganism is practically
00:31:05
impossible and academician grunts who
00:31:07
in general it was quite big
00:31:09
a dreamer and came up with a lot of things but
00:31:12
nevertheless, he was still real
00:31:14
scientists, but he still honestly admits
00:31:17
that reconstruction is absolutely impossible
00:31:20
we don't have enough information
00:31:22
that is, therefore all kinds
00:31:26
pagan designer who with whom
00:31:28
otherwise the whiskey design with which we
00:31:29
today we face it absolutely
00:31:32
remake
00:31:33
and well, just in contrast to let's say there from
00:31:36
foreign to the pagans who
00:31:38
admit that it's something
00:31:41
they are a remake, I recently read this
00:31:44
very large detailed article
00:31:46
one English on his pagan but she
00:31:48
she writes honestly she now honestly I
00:31:52
I didn’t even believe it several times
00:31:54
different composition watched the beginning no to me
00:31:56
she really writes there let's say
00:31:59
they say that in England they lit one and a half
00:32:02
we see a million people whining nonsense
00:32:04
I've never seen so much there
00:32:07
it happened and in general we don’t believe there
00:32:09
They burned a sheep and there his question was
00:32:11
there is a completely different finger another tab
00:32:14
fundamentally different order order
00:32:15
figures may say that ours are on ours
00:32:19
tradition there 55 thousand years we will be what
00:32:21
five thousand years ago it all began on the 50th
00:32:23
the year of the 20th century it will be interesting it
00:32:26
great I stand at the origins of the tradition I can
00:32:29
itself and form this something here
00:32:31
different historical religions do not have this, but
00:32:33
I have I have this experience and then we
00:32:36
by the way our ours are always trying there
00:32:38
refer to something there
00:32:40
Hyperborean there are Slavic-Aryan
00:32:42
Vedas and who knows what kind of false
00:32:45
fake source when the vedah say
00:32:47
this is actually funny after lunch everything
00:32:48
they say that someone like that also knows this
00:32:51
brand
00:32:53
actually modern when everything is slander
00:32:56
refers and is already there and a priori
00:32:58
the leaders are considered the wisest and
00:33:00
the most ancient holy book
00:33:03
humanity although everyone refers
00:33:04
no one has seen it and few are right in
00:33:07
few people held it in their hands because there is
00:33:09
support and scroll through maybe this is true
00:33:13
mostly ritual
00:33:15
regulations for Aryan residents
00:33:17
Aryan again just when we are now
00:33:19
talking about risk is another word
00:33:20
which is completely wrong
00:33:22
perceived as saying Aryan then there
00:33:25
I thought there was a blond beast there, Nordic
00:33:27
there
00:33:28
people and stuff screaming means Iranians
00:33:32
Iranian tribes that conquered India
00:33:35
and our own then we would be theirs
00:33:37
ritual ritual instructions there as
00:33:39
slaughter the mare for the odyssey
00:33:42
sacrifice to the gods there how to build a fire how
00:33:45
slaughter a sheep which parts to burn
00:33:47
which ones don't burn how to drink changing
00:33:51
soma drink there this and so on that is
00:33:53
it's terribly boring and reading there can
00:33:57
meet sometimes some expressed
00:34:00
everyday life is quite reasonable there but
00:34:01
actually, but to get through everything
00:34:04
this one somewhere somewhere somewhere somewhere there something
00:34:06
then you can find something but the usual one
00:34:08
ritual pagan text of the ancients
00:34:11
what a lot of interesting things
00:34:12
presents only for historians
00:34:14
religions like this are so canceled incredibly well
00:34:18
the right book, but for some reason here are the Vedas
00:34:21
purchased this wear trophy of Ravan and
00:34:25
the meaning for people is just this
00:34:30
what are the Slavic-Aryan Vedas in general?
00:34:31
no one knows what the Slavs
00:34:34
and Iranian but nothing special
00:34:38
no contact contacts for you all the time
00:34:39
in those days there was no rain even close
00:34:42
referred to
00:34:43
then when the great ones were formed there
00:34:47
the great silk road but it went in general
00:34:48
south of the main Slavic
00:34:51
Slavic peoples when the way appeared
00:34:53
there because of the Varangians to the Greeks but then how
00:34:56
if only it were Iranian paradise
00:34:59
Iranian was not relevant because there
00:35:01
there were already Muslims there
00:35:03
so there
00:35:05
no longer any kind of
00:35:10
quoted no one no one about them about them
00:35:13
didn't remember so on, that is, like this
00:35:16
obvious and historical facts that
00:35:19
it doesn’t occur to people, and that is
00:35:24
it turns out that any one here is on
00:35:25
pagan reconstruction is a fruit
00:35:29
occult erudition of one or another of his
00:35:32
their founder who does not invent
00:35:34
it is known that they are not even with each other
00:35:36
can determine which one the ancients had
00:35:38
the main god of the Slavs was either Perun or
00:35:42
velis either svarog or could and staggered
00:35:46
there I swim us something else something else something
00:35:52
something like that, in general, the further you go, the more
00:35:55
I recently read a poem on the Internet
00:35:59
Now we tried to reproduce it
00:36:02
me Seryoga at the temple of Svarog there are victims
00:36:09
brings a lot and blood flows like a river
00:36:12
the wise men looked sternly and told me
00:36:16
threshold that I’m the first to be sacrificed for Svarog
00:36:19
candidate here are these before
00:36:26
paganism is also based on a number of
00:36:33
historical myths
00:36:35
which you are quite tenacious because
00:36:38
many of them are still rooted in Soviet
00:36:43
history textbooks that are at school in
00:36:46
my time has passed but even so this is it
00:36:48
all from generation to generation
00:36:49
transmitted so we are there favorite myth
00:36:52
this is the bloody baptism of Rus' that Rus' was
00:36:55
baptized
00:36:56
fire and sword and this is perceived as
00:36:59
a given and of course some on ours
00:37:02
paints paints telling about that
00:37:05
that the adventure of Rus' was killed 9
00:37:08
million people, that is, 2 went through this
00:37:13
yes yes such genocide is terrible but
00:37:18
I wonder what all this comes with
00:37:20
one scientific myth that
00:37:25
they say paganism is the religion of the proud and
00:37:28
strong people unlike Christianity
00:37:32
who are there to turn the other cheek and
00:37:34
in general, the religion of wimps and weaklings and then
00:37:37
paganism is about to return to
00:37:39
real serious military ethics museum
00:37:43
what is this what is what we need
00:37:45
Christianity but Russia has always destroyed and
00:37:49
will ruin it will ruin it completely but somehow
00:37:54
one thing and the other don’t fit together, but
00:37:57
when you try again with defenders
00:37:59
you're trying to talk and talk there
00:38:02
argue
00:38:03
from the point of view of well historical knowledge
00:38:07
there or usually the logic is somehow not
00:38:10
it turns out you tell them something 9
00:38:12
millions of such a population were not there
00:38:14
basically in ancient Rus' but somewhere here
00:38:17
that’s why it wasn’t that you took yours away then
00:38:21
you say that you know these are historical
00:38:24
excavations
00:38:25
they don't detect anything
00:38:29
in the cultural layer of the 10th and 11th centuries there is no
00:38:35
discovered this big fire
00:38:37
I'll still give the number of bones 9
00:38:39
million people from how many bones
00:38:41
needed there and so on but they say yours
00:38:44
archaeologists they hid everything there
00:38:46
This is again a separate topic because
00:38:49
Nowadays all these are very fashionable
00:38:50
historical constructs that are slightly
00:38:52
the hands of academician Fomenko began this
00:38:56
accordingly, here are the new historical ones
00:38:58
chronology although this moment was already his
00:39:00
predecessors back in the seventies
00:39:01
twentieth century, but especially Fomenko
00:39:05
betrayed all this with a special scope
00:39:08
it's just like a production factory
00:39:10
all these pseudo-historical books and
00:39:12
that this is the whole historical analogy
00:39:15
name Fomin because that's what to say and that's it
00:39:25
we will return by fire and how logical or
00:39:33
years, we'll all be back again, let's say yes, yes
00:39:40
no no somewhere out there it will decide on
00:39:44
Well, let's get short and hopefully splash
00:39:46
I will say a few words of this simply not
00:39:48
return the wake about what's on
00:39:51
in fact, the whole story was there
00:39:53
invented by medieval monks
00:39:55
the story is actually much more
00:39:59
only a few hundred years, a few to me
00:40:01
thousands and several hundred years and actually
00:40:03
all this is historical
00:40:07
the narrative was invented
00:40:10
medieval monks who created
00:40:12
a whole system of forgeries that are out there
00:40:14
collected all the manuscripts, rewrote them and
00:40:17
then they were taken to different monasteries and
00:40:21
thus it was created here
00:40:25
I still believe that there is Jesus Christ with you
00:40:29
moment was actually a dad
00:40:30
Gregory the seventh hildebrand am the
00:40:33
the same face just then
00:40:35
why he is 7 is not clear if
00:40:39
here, but it must be said that if you
00:40:43
started to take flamenco seriously
00:40:44
it's been so long since I told you that
00:40:45
medieval monks were something
00:40:47
amazingly hardworking people
00:40:49
you’re just amazed it’s so necessary
00:40:52
the whole world to disperse and pour there
00:40:55
how many 10 meters of cultural layer is
00:40:58
spread cultural
00:41:01
conditions of the find archaeological necessary
00:41:05
the way each of them grow old knowing
00:41:07
in advance how it will still be there in
00:41:09
ten centuries you are right perceived
00:41:13
I will arrange burials there underground
00:41:17
build castles there and temples then
00:41:19
destroy then cover with earth in general
00:41:22
you're just amazed
00:41:24
where can I get such hardworking monks?
00:41:26
who became so much so much would
00:41:29
did before but this is it all too everyone
00:41:33
pseudohistorical
00:41:34
that's when the designer says what's there
00:41:37
archeology is like this because in arv
00:41:39
your archaeologists there when they say that
00:41:41
none of these sources are up to yours
00:41:43
we have many sources but we have
00:41:45
I will now talk about my sources as I do
00:41:50
I try to argue with them later
00:41:51
actually maybe just one year
00:41:53
food that is spoken by fire and sword
00:41:55
Gregory's phrase from Novgorod
00:41:56
uprising we will return as soon as possible
00:42:02
because really
00:42:03
appeal to some historical
00:42:05
knowledge is quite useless, I'm just
00:42:08
I'm trying to speak from the absurd here
00:42:11
and I agree with him, I say, well, yes
00:42:13
actually killed 9 million even
00:42:15
animals are just not people, horror nightmare
00:42:19
just tell me please how
00:42:21
So these 9 million were killed
00:42:23
because as we know
00:42:27
Prince Vladimir's squad who is with him
00:42:29
3000 people were baptized
00:42:35
than they were armed with swords and spears
00:42:40
and arrows
00:42:42
with a bow, clubs and so on, well, approximately
00:42:45
the same weapon was in every house so that
00:42:48
to be precise let's say there
00:42:49
Mitch tagging was everywhere we were all
00:42:51
expensive but there is a finger and knives
00:42:55
coffee arrows
00:42:57
onions and so on were in every house
00:42:59
that is, it’s clear, let’s say that the squad
00:43:02
there were more professional military men but in
00:43:05
in any case, every householder is completely
00:43:08
owned a gun it was patriarchal
00:43:10
society and may well
00:43:12
defend yourself how 3000 killed 9
00:43:14
millions, that is, with firearms
00:43:17
weapons in this are absolutely not suitable
00:43:19
an impossible task, these are the images from
00:43:21
machine gun is musk how much
00:43:22
need very very very difficult manually
00:43:27
walk there
00:43:28
from city to city from village to village and there
00:43:31
just kill everything up to 9 million
00:43:32
they will throw hats at the elements or or what
00:43:38
they stood like this and looked like
00:43:41
kills wives and children then kills them
00:43:43
resisted
00:43:44
excuse me, but someone is proud and strong
00:43:46
unnecessary and who then are wimps words words
00:43:51
Slovaks Christianity so you like where
00:43:53
decide on one or the other place
00:43:57
extract from the religion of the strong but
00:43:59
come up to the map
00:44:00
show me the map of the world here are the maps of the world
00:44:03
this is the territory where everyone was
00:44:05
pagan and vice versa we see that everywhere
00:44:07
paganism is inferior to Islamic
00:44:10
territories of matter enter into glory where
00:44:12
language acts as a Christian territory
00:44:13
Christianity
00:44:15
nowhere in pagan days is there such a thing
00:44:16
she repressed something always repressed
00:44:19
on the contrary the slowest weak religions what
00:44:22
concerns the Laurentian Chronicle as follows
00:44:24
which actually talks about
00:44:26
Novgorod uprising and where
00:44:29
it is said when something good was baptized
00:44:32
fire with a sword
00:44:34
talks about one specific episode in
00:44:38
this chronicle about the uprising that
00:44:40
the Magi understood in Novgorod so that
00:44:42
leave behind Kievan Rus
00:44:44
that is, it was an ordinary political
00:44:47
uprising under pagan slogans
00:44:49
which was suppressed by conventional methods
00:44:53
as it was actually fob it was supposed to be
00:44:55
we're not even talking about
00:44:57
imposed imposed and religion and suppressed
00:45:00
suppression of a political uprising
00:45:01
own integrity and integrity
00:45:05
the state was also quite tough
00:45:08
the couple won't say anything to this alone
00:45:09
the only case out of many others
00:45:14
cases, that is, we we know Kyiv was there
00:45:16
baptized bloodlessly and Burum was screaming and
00:45:19
screamed bloodlessly
00:45:21
and Vladimir was baptized bloodless and so
00:45:23
then actually look look look
00:45:25
in cities there is only one
00:45:27
the problem is only in Novgorod
00:45:28
this is a chronicle she was in the first
00:45:32
opened in the 17th century
00:45:34
that is why there is serious doubt
00:45:39
regarding it from antiquity and
00:45:42
reliability but even if we understand
00:45:44
given just already really comes out
00:45:45
beyond the scope of our discussion we recognize and
00:45:48
will give reliable reliable or not
00:45:50
but even if we accept it accepted
00:45:52
for a long time ago, nevertheless, this is 11
00:45:55
episode from one city out of several
00:45:58
dozens of cities about anyone Dnieper
00:46:00
what other talk about violence
00:46:04
baptism we don't find yes this this this
00:46:17
this is just purely as an argument
00:46:20
against what they say is there
00:46:21
tough manly paganism but but
00:46:24
in general, Orthodoxy was created
00:46:26
great empire
00:46:27
I'm not being harsh, but that's exactly what
00:46:33
before
00:46:35
back it just didn't work but
00:46:41
after all, just as long as Slavic
00:46:44
tribes profess paganism they
00:46:45
remained in scattered tribes
00:46:47
when we were created but the only thing
00:46:49
state orthodox state then
00:46:53
Here it is, the great empire has been transformed
00:46:56
reached the Pacific Ocean to Alaska to the FDA
00:46:59
California and you and so on that is this
00:47:01
exclusively Orthodox
00:47:03
the state that annexed very
00:47:05
a lot of
00:47:06
and on the loyal territories but annexed
00:47:09
namely soft power, that is, not
00:47:11
violent conquest with pass into
00:47:15
big blood
00:47:16
creation of local ethnic cultures
00:47:18
starting there with a coma behind a real haze
00:47:21
further it is again a complicated story
00:47:25
there is nothing clear in history
00:47:28
it happens, but if in general we compare
00:47:30
let's say they imposed
00:47:32
the Western version of Christianity is pagan
00:47:36
by the pagan people there, Charlemagne there
00:47:38
really imposed fire with fire and
00:47:41
sword then its profit you are baptized or
00:47:42
either ax-head or if we are there
00:47:44
again we compare there with Islamic
00:47:46
conquests then Orthodox
00:47:49
Orthodox mission always
00:47:50
accompanied by the help of these these people
00:47:54
has always been accompanied by the creation of culture
00:47:55
creation of writing, translation of texts
00:47:58
on them their languages ​​and thanks to this
00:48:03
instant I will also say terribly complex
00:48:05
indigo words in Christianity
00:48:09
among these new peoples
00:48:11
who accept degeneration as
00:48:15
definitely a cascade of this grafting
00:48:17
folk roots
00:48:18
that they served in the language that people
00:48:22
understood instantly, in fact, the people
00:48:24
people perceived perceived it as
00:48:27
his own faith it was actually still
00:48:29
even before the baptism of Rus' this is in general
00:48:31
Byzantine mission if if we
00:48:33
let's see yes I see around one second
00:48:35
Now I'll finish the sentence and we'll see
00:48:38
How do I take it?
00:48:41
or you are Christianity there Armenia Georgia
00:48:44
Ethiopia and other other peoples are
00:48:48
always really something like this
00:48:51
how do people remember this I even have a hug
00:48:55
vodka as a historian we can say that there is
00:48:58
but there are some historical facts and
00:49:01
information that may be retained
00:49:04
would not be preserved but there is a folk one
00:49:05
memory is how people want to remember
00:49:09
one or another event in one's life
00:49:11
in the end it's how people want it
00:49:13
it forms an event to remember
00:49:15
popular consciousness as people people people
00:49:17
this would remember there, let's say how
00:49:19
Georgia adopted Christianity
00:49:21
Georgian people remember this what it is
00:49:23
thanks there yun and slave
00:49:26
girls not but who was sold to
00:49:30
to the court of the Georgian king and that's who is there
00:49:32
voluntarily converted the Georgian king and
00:49:35
through him the people are definitely there
00:49:37
everything was more complicated as if they were
00:49:39
missionaries from western Georgia too
00:49:41
today we call Abkhazia where we were
00:49:44
visa byzantine byzantine park then
00:49:46
we were there and the monastic missions of Syria
00:49:49
there is a lot of other things, but people
00:49:51
I remembered it precisely because I wanted to
00:49:53
remember that it was absolutely well
00:49:55
like this, as if by accident and acceptance
00:49:59
Orthodoxy Orthodoxy by the people then well
00:50:02
it's kind of random, but actually
00:50:04
I tried it, oh my god, it’s not
00:50:05
wearing is not imposed, but people really
00:50:07
thus through God's providence
00:50:08
agreed with the will of God in Orthodoxy
00:50:11
cake too what is the same when we
00:50:13
look at the story of bygone years baptism
00:50:16
the baptism of Rus' is also in general
00:50:19
voluntary acceptance of research there
00:50:22
Prince Vladimir understands what in life
00:50:23
it was more difficult there were different influences
00:50:26
different tendencies ultimately people
00:50:28
I remember this way, this is the most important thing
00:50:35
looked like it needed some strength
00:50:41
the peasantry was originally a condition
00:50:45
what does Emperor Vasily 2 help with?
00:50:48
suppress the uprising and he gives him his
00:50:53
sister to marry and he converts to Orthodoxy
00:50:57
Well, according to the tale of bygone years
00:51:01
Emperor Vasily
00:51:04
decided not to fulfill his part of the contract and
00:51:08
when in Vladimir I suppressed the gift
00:51:10
suppressed the uprising, he did not stop his sister
00:51:15
give and then actually Vladimir
00:51:17
occupied Chersonesos
00:51:20
Korsun and forced
00:51:22
Emperor Vasily 2 still give his
00:51:25
his sister to marry him but there were conditions
00:51:29
natural natural accept accept
00:51:31
Russia was really very difficult
00:51:32
the question is because he is still the emperor
00:51:34
Konstantin Porfira native at which
00:51:38
Grand Duchess Olga was baptized
00:51:40
compiled something like a textbook for
00:51:45
future emperors are ready bookworm
00:51:50
so he wrote this
00:51:54
I wrote a book about the ceremony called there
00:51:57
that three things are never allowed
00:52:01
giving the barbarians this is a Greek recipe
00:52:04
fire
00:52:05
this is the city's imperial crown
00:52:08
crown because the emperor and they are different
00:52:10
they donated their crowns, their crowns
00:52:12
sacrifices for the Church of Hagia Sophia and above
00:52:15
the throne of Hagia Sophia on long
00:52:16
long threads
00:52:17
these were hanging here, there were a lot of even ones and
00:52:20
they are because it is under the dolls landing
00:52:23
pull walked crowns hung
00:52:25
long, long throw they are all there
00:52:26
swayed and flickered a little and stones and
00:52:31
gold it created just a cloud of
00:52:33
these kind of people created this
00:52:34
absolutely fantastic sight
00:52:38
I know that I would give it to see this and
00:52:39
Sofia what she was like then and and
00:52:44
of course, when different ones arrived
00:52:46
thieves' princes who looked at it
00:52:49
with their mouths open and the rulers they spoke
00:52:52
experience, but maybe just one such crown and
00:52:56
emperor constantine porphyry native he
00:52:58
writes that if they say so, then they
00:53:01
I must say that these crowns are here
00:53:04
on top of non-human hands
00:53:05
by human hands angels and therefore
00:53:08
none of the hydra touches
00:53:10
maybe there is something to give somewhere so it’s impossible
00:53:12
give rice recipe greek fire crown
00:53:14
imperial and porphyry hand relatives
00:53:17
princess and so of course here she is
00:53:23
there was the most purple thing ever
00:53:25
family princess and that's why it was
00:53:26
very very difficult and give up your hand
00:53:29
owned the hand but still this is for up
00:53:35
your question is right you want now by
00:53:42
yours are not among the Russian people
00:53:45
which
00:53:47
physical traits and habits that
00:53:58
shows that we've been around for a long time
00:54:01
thousand in my defense we were more than
00:54:04
Ukrainian Christians
00:54:05
I think the sources and the Russian people are not
00:54:07
there wasn't even a second
00:54:08
because well, slavya no no but it's not
00:54:13
Russian people are like Slavs
00:54:15
existed and what kind of
00:54:16
again I tell no one to be cured
00:54:19
no one knows, so it’s difficult here
00:54:22
say as much as you like those who
00:54:25
were pagans it's completely
00:54:27
definitely him and therefore all that
00:54:30
there is Russian there, it was formed
00:54:32
their names are exactly like Orthodox
00:54:35
so what is there pagan left me
00:54:37
I think rather there is a benefit acquired for
00:54:39
70 years of Soviet power
00:54:42
because
00:54:45
you know, chesterton also said that there is
00:54:47
takes away a person's faith in God to begin
00:54:48
see into everything else
00:54:50
and this one himself everything everything else
00:54:52
because it's hard to call me like that
00:54:55
superstition in which there
00:54:57
Soviet materialists did not believe in eating
00:55:00
something is endless top of a piece of wood
00:55:02
knocking over your left shoulder doesn't matter
00:55:07
no worries and you definitely need to answer
00:55:10
you need to put to hell the one who has it and
00:55:13
a million different others like everyone
00:55:16
we don't believe all the atoms just in case
00:55:17
everyone followed all this and in some way
00:55:22
moment it even got some crazy
00:55:25
such a state sanction because
00:55:27
what are we doing in the tenth years and just this
00:55:29
let's say the development of its quality
00:55:32
nativism but rooms I say that’s all
00:55:34
the seventies began when he
00:55:36
began to appear on Moscow and
00:55:37
St. Petersburg kitchens the first Magi the first
00:55:40
he was kind and so voluntary
00:55:43
a person who has a very difficult
00:55:45
biography that is, it began
00:55:47
Stalinism then he stood up for it
00:55:49
to the Nazis in the 60s and then for this from
00:55:52
sat again Nazism created the first
00:55:55
Soviet society then seemed to accept
00:55:58
Orthodoxy baptized him by Gleb Yakunin
00:56:00
such a one who was then anathema there
00:56:03
then he joined the universal movement
00:56:07
then he pawned all his colleagues
00:56:12
dissident movement and in general there
00:56:15
they all got 7 to 9 years and he
00:56:18
gratitude in general for your
00:56:20
after that he received repentance for two years
00:56:23
came out when after these two years he came out
00:56:25
I turned out to be a sorcerer on a Nazi basis
00:56:29
created this first pagan beer
00:56:31
such 1 pagan such again on it
00:56:34
Nazi community that is circle circle
00:56:36
closed and
00:56:38
interesting then the seventies
00:56:41
books by his writer began to be published
00:56:42
new Rus' original Rus' great
00:56:45
in which such fantasy novels are about
00:56:49
ancient Slavs and
00:56:51
you'll just read them there
00:56:54
there they presented the words they didn’t fight to tie
00:56:56
and it’s amazing how very knitting and
00:56:57
I put it up because there is only one Slav there
00:57:00
there's just a whole regiment waving its hand at once
00:57:02
the Byzantines fall to these Slavs
00:57:05
who are a completely invincible warrior and
00:57:07
they are directly described as someone there
00:57:10
an arrow stuck in my eye went through
00:57:13
Moscow pierced on this one came out with another
00:57:14
hand and went further to rude the steering wheel
00:57:17
we are Christians in general
00:57:19
and at 70 they made a film about it in Rus'
00:57:23
initially with a star cast
00:57:25
Smoktunovsky even played one of his
00:57:28
the most unsuccessful roles and so on and so on
00:57:31
yes it was quite support support
00:57:35
states and then actually became
00:57:38
It’s quite possible for us to have films too
00:57:42
published on a pagan basis suddenly became
00:57:43
demonstrates about Indian yoga who they are
00:57:46
then I lowered it and let it into rental
00:57:49
Sergey Prob joined in later about different
00:57:53
about ufology about astrology on telly
00:57:57
telekinesis parapsychology director
00:57:59
knowledge societies that exist for then
00:58:01
they included all this in their
00:58:03
your repertoire and in different cities again
00:58:06
but in every possible way they thought that is
00:58:08
it's not interesting that all this happened
00:58:10
that is, apparently Soviet
00:58:12
agitprop may have included all this as
00:58:15
counterweight
00:58:16
beginning of the Orthodox revival
00:58:18
which began then and therefore
00:58:20
when perestroika came and this is it
00:58:23
along with it associated cultural
00:58:24
diversity and religious diversity
00:58:28
only this time for the Weasleys
00:58:30
came already quite formed
00:58:32
And
00:58:34
various sects that poured into us
00:58:36
more than that they helped create everything everything
00:58:39
these are all possible all kinds
00:58:41
cocktails, that is, many of them
00:58:44
these processes were not completely random
00:58:46
available Rovny yes say it Sandra and
00:58:52
about roots before or residues
00:58:55
possible
00:58:59
brick freedom was long and straight
00:59:01
direct consequence there is a question what
00:59:05
what we kind of know from the same
00:59:08
most textbooks may even be
00:59:10
Maslenitsa yes yes this is ancient not ours
00:59:13
holiday icons it was culture
00:59:15
Christianity if accordingly
00:59:17
the thesis you present is nothing
00:59:20
we don't know the danger of anything
00:59:22
This
00:59:23
and he fell and not through the fire and behold
00:59:30
there are no strange traditions in this
00:59:36
sense and there were some, most likely because
00:59:39
that the time of Soviet power is already all this
00:59:41
disappeared [ __ ] but some peoples
00:59:43
folk customs the customs were different
00:59:45
folk games were which but
00:59:48
it's really possible you went
00:59:50
some pagan roots but which already
00:59:53
were so rethought there and
00:59:56
and frayed and remade and so on
00:59:58
what can we conclude based on this?
01:00:01
there was paganism and what happened
01:00:03
initially it is no longer possible because
01:00:06
that many, many generations have passed
01:00:08
I'll do the same thing because you take it out but
01:00:12
that's how unreliable oral tradition is
01:00:17
because the oral tradition of the feet in each
01:00:21
generation changes because people are people
01:00:24
cultures change, people change a little
01:00:26
perceives himself differently therefore
01:00:27
every generation changes a little
01:00:29
track where and how where so
01:00:32
the way she has changed you even need to eat
01:00:34
for the life of every person there
01:00:36
man look here I assure you that
01:00:39
if you are describing an episode
01:00:41
your childhood, you describe it already from
01:00:43
the heights of all your life experiences and
01:00:45
you describe it completely differently
01:00:47
maybe very different from that
01:00:49
how is she how is it in your your childhood
01:00:51
it was it was actually the same
01:00:53
in fact, according to oral traditions, she is
01:00:55
there's definitely something there there's something there
01:00:57
but how how did they come to us but also
01:01:01
it is very difficult to carry back to the original one but
01:01:06
again, I say certainly there are some
01:01:09
then some kind
01:01:11
usually there is but the thing is that
01:01:13
Christianity
01:01:14
she treats it this way
01:01:19
let's say but we know that the witness
01:01:22
Jehovah will say it will be our fault
01:01:24
We celebrate Christmas on December 25 and January 7
01:01:28
December 25th from 03:00, old style
01:01:30
December 25 is the winter solstice
01:01:33
this is a pagan holiday we will not conquer the heights
01:01:36
you took it from the right place, that means
01:01:37
this pagan holiday means you too
01:01:39
pagans but nothing happened just right away
01:01:45
Scripture doesn't tell us exactly when
01:01:48
christ christ was born in what well yes but
01:01:55
that only or is however sufficient
01:01:57
moot point anyway
01:01:59
when Emperor Constantine
01:02:03
Emperor Constantine I started the church
01:02:05
celebrates christmas on december 25th then these
01:02:08
the studies were carried out they were terrible
01:02:09
rather in hindsight it really is
01:02:11
it was day and the invincible sun, but it is obvious that
01:02:15
first of all christ was born this is very
01:02:17
important means as soon as he was born
01:02:19
means his birth is possible and necessary
01:02:23
the second one had such an ancient celebration
01:02:26
ride adoption nismo who was talking about
01:02:29
the fact that Maria was born and an ordinary child
01:02:31
who at one time or another was one of his own
01:02:34
biography adopted god persuaded more often
01:02:36
just at the moment of baptism
01:02:37
The Christmas holiday began just like that
01:02:40
opposition to this hell of Zionism
01:02:42
that immediately this is the birth of God in this
01:02:44
world what day to choose, this one was chosen
01:02:47
day of the invincible sun well because
01:02:49
It’s obvious today because Christ
01:02:51
called the sun of truth because
01:02:53
indeed it was that first day
01:02:55
When
01:02:56
the day begins to increase when it ends
01:02:58
this one than the dark night time
01:03:00
the suns begin to grow so if from
01:03:02
of all days choose one but really
01:03:04
here is the best sauce itself and the most
01:03:07
the best the most suitable day before
01:03:11
the birth of Christ over time they are definitely but
01:03:16
with the time of this year with some
01:03:18
organizations with an accuracy of up to a month is
01:03:20
is inferred from there signs of rituals
01:03:22
whom for six months there were meetings where
01:03:26
is possible possible
01:03:32
long ago intensively again firstly for sure
01:03:35
gas to strangers then all these excretion
01:03:37
I already know in hindsight what it is
01:03:39
we note but well, in general it’s not
01:03:41
significantly, even with it he drove it turns out
01:03:44
the dates of which are better than regional property
01:03:48
or dates the number but the number is unreasonable
01:03:52
must again even if taken for
01:03:53
given the middle of winter is still a number
01:03:55
when when when its when or known
01:03:57
yes yes yes together Christmas and Epiphany
01:04:05
in the east celebrated together
01:04:08
epiphanies and and 1
01:04:10
Christmas
01:04:12
Emperor Constantine is in the West
01:04:14
christmas carried 20 25 december before then a
01:04:16
then they became respectively
01:04:19
share but here's the horror of Christmas
01:04:20
accordingly it will be Christmas
01:04:22
which includes the meeting
01:04:24
And
01:04:25
I'm at the Annunciation because yes, just
01:04:31
church they initially see paganism
01:04:33
as we say the usurper of this world
01:04:36
initially there was unity and veneration
01:04:39
one god
01:04:40
then came paganism which
01:04:44
usurped it to the god of worship
01:04:49
and into existing forms
01:04:52
contributed content therefore
01:04:54
Christianity will be conquering forms
01:04:57
from
01:04:59
frees them, it seems to us that he created
01:05:01
form frees them from the physical
01:05:03
contents are contributed in their original
01:05:05
reduction what they are actually for
01:05:06
intended therefore yes yes no all
01:05:13
everything is fine but for the basics
01:05:18
the basic basic things are there and well
01:05:21
maybe you can tell when
01:05:24
platbands speak on through you again
01:05:26
they speak of loyalty to the family, this is what they have
01:05:28
this is the main main argument too but
01:05:30
something needs to be taken into account on the street
01:05:33
what are they, a lot of this thing
01:05:35
loyalty of the kind, that is, in general, if we
01:05:37
look at our ancestors then more than 3
01:05:40
generations of our ancestors theirs for
01:05:42
Christianity is obvious even there
01:05:45
cemetery according to the symbol that they
01:05:47
placed on their graves except
01:05:50
like this two generations under the Soviet
01:05:51
power is so own and that somewhere
01:05:54
on the graves we find would become Perun
01:05:57
or mokosha or something else
01:06:00
obviously no we find we find
01:06:02
causes astarta holding it's more likely
01:06:07
mound floor mound mound on on the grave
01:06:11
this is purely a practical thing yes
01:06:17
because there is a coffin, so here it is
01:06:19
they took out the earth, so it’s alone
01:06:21
exactly
01:06:22
the size of the coffin she is bigger that is
01:06:24
this is absolutely an opinion, a reference to the mound
01:06:28
but but we put up we put up crosses
01:06:30
accordingly, if we are talking about
01:06:31
fidelity of the kind, that is, fidelity to those
01:06:34
the generation of our ancestors who we
01:06:35
we know they are fictional somehow
01:06:37
which we do not know at all and
01:06:39
which, by the way, are quite
01:06:41
consciously and voluntarily chosen
01:06:42
chose Christianity therefore if we
01:06:44
talking about revival someone talking about
01:06:46
revival of paganism is more likely
01:06:48
betrayal of all thirty plus
01:06:50
generations generations our our ancestors
01:06:56
dual some texts let acceptance
01:07:02
player they somehow don’t record which
01:07:05
after the interval of their ancients is noticeable
01:07:09
to the number 1 and then you understand this
01:07:13
it can be taken into account that
01:07:14
worshiped covered in writing I'll add Christian
01:07:20
consciousness which
01:07:25
it means she thinks of you as Allah or pagan
01:07:28
submariner
01:07:29
what is here that was led by the ancestors and how
01:07:32
just absence
01:07:35
ideas about one god and here
01:07:37
accordingly, in the absence of any spirit
01:07:40
without them they were worshiped there, well known there
01:07:42
then there is the goddess of love there on the side of the road then
01:07:48
there are such bureaus
01:07:49
solvent of passion these magical
01:07:53
perceive and accordingly
01:07:59
the height turns out to be whatever we want
01:08:02
Christianity in a conceptual sense
01:08:06
don't knock down the first roller just 3 don't
01:08:08
destroyed the very end of what these
01:08:12
there spirit exist she just said that
01:08:15
there is only one god and
01:08:17
who is the creator and so on and who
01:08:20
We already worship and have become cults
01:08:23
moved into the category or vomit scales those
01:08:26
who is struggling with
01:08:28
among persons with canned food up to type
01:08:32
to salvation but in the same way to capture them
01:08:35
some kind of analytical presence
01:08:37
life, including somewhere along the way
01:08:39
ritual was present and it gives
01:08:42
such if you like, even extremely
01:08:46
specialization consistent with the situation
01:08:49
what people realized with their paganism
01:08:51
so that they refuse it but understand that
01:08:53
saw one god there there with the help
01:08:56
educated by the Greeks and so on, here you are
01:08:59
credere this is what you think about this
01:09:00
about the map, as you understand completely
01:09:03
not only that you draw simpler
01:09:04
picture when there are tongues of credit
01:09:07
Christians who treat wounds as equals
01:09:14
are fighting did not speak did not translate was
01:09:19
we have to discuss how to enter
01:09:21
this is the concept for these conversations
01:09:24
arises there is simply an election apostle
01:09:29
says that the gods of language are essentially without
01:09:32
it is yes yes but on the other hand he is
01:09:35
also tells you that needles are something
01:09:37
so you can eat again
01:09:40
in 2 different fathers you can find two different
01:09:44
points of view of plums and owls
01:09:46
worshiped by a demon or just them
01:09:47
worship nothing with their own
01:09:50
own invention than needles
01:09:53
which they are made of wood
01:09:56
made of stone or precious metals there
01:09:59
they made it themselves and put their sleeves into creation
01:10:01
sleeves and you can put it on
01:10:02
choose any of these versions but
01:10:05
I guess again it depends on
01:10:06
a specific person and what he invests
01:10:08
in worship, worship of one or another
01:10:12
to the pagan gods then what if
01:10:13
if we unconditionally believe in reality.
01:10:16
Christians real existence pisav
01:10:18
this is what without unconditionally there accepts
01:10:23
ourselves to worship so here we can
01:10:26
we can accept we can accept this version
01:10:27
if a person can possibly live
01:10:32
I try not to do it for impersonal us
01:10:35
lives here trying not to do not to do
01:10:36
evil and how there is something new for us to exist
01:10:41
it's hard to say that he worships demons
01:10:42
another thing is that again we are talking about
01:10:44
modern paganism is quite
01:10:45
consciously and quite consciously and refusal
01:10:51
Christianity and opposition
01:10:53
Christianity is
01:10:56
well yes yes yes it couldn’t be they want
01:11:00
by definition yes here we are talking about
01:11:03
modern language but modern loudly
01:11:05
again she and
01:11:07
are already forming as something
01:11:11
anti-Christian phenomenon yes yes that is
01:11:14
so she can't call him
01:11:16
natural religion as it is at this time
01:11:20
ancient paganism but like some some
01:11:22
such natural forms and forms of worship
01:11:24
well, or if we say volumes
01:11:26
religions of the pagans and they are there in the Amazon
01:11:30
day which there knows nothing about
01:11:32
Christianity mid-pagan cults
01:11:39
there is no one that I can think of
01:11:41
and the Christian components that are here
01:11:50
about for one I can't say that
01:11:52
that I don't know everything, but I've never
01:11:54
came across such a confusion that in
01:11:57
which this is not a blog
01:11:58
everyone I know is very aggressive
01:12:02
I'm inclined towards Christianity
01:12:04
so that it would just be, well, let's say
01:12:06
indifferent you ignored Christianity
01:12:09
there is no such thing, that is, it is clear that
01:12:11
they can eat there they are trying
01:12:13
Of course they will register
01:12:15
to say that we don’t have much to do with everything
01:12:16
equal but obviously if a little
01:12:19
look explore you can see what it is
01:12:21
it is present and present
01:12:23
present slept fully
01:12:25
there is also a ritual of coloring which
01:12:28
which he has they don't have yes yes yes
01:12:42
well and
01:12:44
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01:12:45
Buddhism is itself
01:12:47
pagan religion
01:12:49
so but well this way or the disk let's say so
01:12:56
let's just say if we're talking about high
01:12:58
Buddhism there which professes very
01:13:01
small amount learn it hard
01:13:03
to dry rather it doesn’t believe at all
01:13:05
Gautama is more of a philosophical system
01:13:06
religion there which is atheistic
01:13:08
but if you are into everyday Buddhism then
01:13:12
Mongolia and East Asia then this is with
01:13:15
common with pagan religion which
01:13:17
many deva gods passed through this and how
01:13:20
and who has who there from whom there just isn’t
01:13:21
no, everything is modern for His Majesty
01:13:24
has a very negative attitude towards
01:13:26
any monotheistic religion that is
01:13:29
but above all there is a sensor for Christianity
01:13:32
Judaism and Islam to the rest they are like
01:13:35
would be quite tolerant
01:13:38
the rest, well, yes, that is, 0 yours
01:13:40
case someone there seems like never
01:13:42
up to our our let's unnecessarily when
01:13:54
so I have questions about the physical dollar
01:13:57
gods can still
01:13:59
it was formed, it’s a hodgepodge of
01:14:01
where are all these stories as if now
01:14:04
because they are now operating on paganism
01:14:08
our
01:14:19
here they are part, that is, well
01:14:22
name what that is we know what
01:14:24
Perun was there
01:14:27
there was svarog yes well some names
01:14:30
are known therefore they take partly by these
01:14:33
in pieces he comes up with something of his own
01:14:35
there are some people there they say that there and
01:14:37
Orthodox pagans because there are
01:14:39
I'm on the chopping block, there's something else there
01:14:42
this is completely complete
01:14:44
invented later by Welle from Slavyansk
01:14:50
sources again as far as I know
01:14:52
that he follows. believe it no believe it
01:14:55
Saint Blaise who transformed
01:15:00
became famous in the forest and then they but even
01:15:04
those who take names of some kind
01:15:06
really which is real
01:15:07
using a bug they don't know which
01:15:09
of which the main one was not
01:15:10
that's why everyone puts it there let's say
01:15:19
the Greeks had Zeus
01:15:26
well yes well yes because there was no one from no
01:15:30
there was a single pagan system after all
01:15:32
there is an ancient Hellenic pagan system
01:15:34
there was a system but there is again there
01:15:36
Greek on Tevis you are in our country
01:15:39
also exist
01:15:40
which
01:15:43
here he believes believes in Greek like this
01:15:45
Greek Roman pantheon has Armenian
01:15:48
sun fans there are many of them there are different
01:15:50
there are different options for religion, I’ll erase it
01:15:54
ancient germanic paganism paganism
01:15:57
year, as it were, gives the German one the same thing
01:15:59
the same to His Majesty but we have
01:16:01
the peace of the owl is not particularly special
01:16:06
preserved that the Nibelungs are there too
01:16:08
it’s still quite late before Naumov
01:16:21
but he tried to reform
01:16:23
paganism and make a unified pagan
01:16:25
cults
01:16:26
and he just made Perun the main thing
01:16:33
get build momentum but it's really
01:16:43
actually he tortured me but it's something
01:16:48
tried in the 4th century to make Julian the apostate
01:16:51
who refused refused
01:16:55
Christianity consciously and returned
01:16:57
empire in paganism announced the creation
01:17:00
a single if cult cult but to the extent
01:17:01
because despite the fact that I personally try
01:17:03
was quite alive then 50 percent
01:17:06
the population of feathers was completely pagan
01:17:08
could that paganism output I now
01:17:10
I'll [ __ ] then you ask but Julian
01:17:12
an apostate but he doesn’t care about the year
01:17:13
failed but he tried or farm
01:17:15
made to create a uniform tic kinky
01:17:17
thought he was his everything
01:17:19
will strengthen and strengthen but I will put it because
01:17:21
the renegade is the only one who knew
01:17:23
Christianity was good because it was a virus
01:17:24
if he became a Christian, he became a Christian
01:17:26
reform exactly according to the model
01:17:28
Christianity created a single tic
01:17:30
cult pagan dioceses
01:17:32
the physical world is led by sands
01:17:34
pagan priests wrote the code
01:17:36
behavior for pagan priests
01:17:39
what will you give me? I can’t go to the circus there
01:17:44
in commercial brothels there is something else there
01:17:47
the pagan priests here were indignant
01:17:50
like us pagans, no one is entitled there
01:17:55
somehow it all didn’t work out for him
01:17:56
in the end his ip phone reforms are right
01:17:58
failed but therefore in this sense
01:18:01
Prince Vladimir he was not, no, nor the first
01:18:03
Here Julian the Apostate really tried yes yes yes
01:18:08
your your question sorry source
01:18:16
if I may be wrong now it seems
01:18:22
how is this not the only source that
01:18:24
our fireplace has reached its hour, so let it
01:18:27
neighbor list
01:18:28
yes, the arrangement is not described there
01:18:31
the video was not a priority between these
01:18:35
some protection and specifically there
01:18:37
you don't let it down if it's
01:18:39
Well, actually this is our main source in
01:18:42
that's the point that these sources
01:18:44
no, it’s up to the waist of time years later
01:18:49
Well, Konstantin has porphyry 1 where
01:18:52
he describes the Slavic tribes that
01:18:53
something tells us about their usual way
01:18:55
what what what what is known we sell
01:18:58
Slavic defenders are human
01:19:00
sacrifices are the killing of widows when
01:19:03
buries her husband so on here then also like this
01:19:06
good king was they everywhere head
01:19:10
Varangians on but again it is necessary but it was
01:19:20
I remember red talking to one on the scales
01:19:23
Chicago I say but somehow
01:19:26
heat that sacrifice you make, I offer and I say
01:19:29
Who are you bringing frogs?
01:19:31
I'll take it out like you frogs are a bit weak
01:19:35
there such as in there is there but here
01:19:37
the first cycle needs to be brought to us by this
01:19:39
how much but no, he said no, well
01:19:44
let's say the speech is not ready yet, well then
01:19:57
persona 4 cells that metal and a half
01:20:02
gained and in general and as far as I know
01:20:06
all logical excavations of settlement sites
01:20:10
and some were born
01:20:12
and required nerves
01:20:14
these same peoples, well, like me if there are for
01:20:19
burial there are mounds
01:20:24
they buried them with different objects so that
01:20:27
there for these dollars but archaeological
01:20:36
finds, finds, they don’t have any texts
01:20:40
all descriptions open no yes only
01:20:42
that that that that that is possible that that we can
01:20:44
find out about the times of such signs and what’s there
01:20:47
this is the place where this will be the items to
01:20:49
were useful to a person in that life
01:20:52
there are corpses of domestic animals here and there in
01:20:54
including horses there, that is, from here
01:20:56
it’s clear the remains say there are some there
01:20:59
decorations that are outside or else
01:21:01
something like this
01:21:04
my name is Alexandrovich
01:21:10
the hidden side of the issue may
01:21:12
It may not be an undeniable statement that
01:21:15
Here
01:21:16
the Russian people went with me, not a deception
01:21:19
pagan, that is, well, it’s clear that
01:21:21
the pagan cult was just in some
01:21:23
way of conceptualizing something
01:21:25
political people just who you are
01:21:27
we stuck to Russian just the same
01:21:29
rejecting paganism is precisely when
01:21:31
refused then and became a united Russian
01:21:33
people on them as
01:21:37
abandoned local pagan
01:21:40
cults and there was one single
01:21:42
Christian cult as far as it goes
01:21:44
joined founded ourselves whatever
01:21:46
people whose history will remain yes
01:21:48
so to speak, a little bit of the fruit of concerts, of course
01:21:53
there were many but again I entered
01:21:59
east because or
01:22:01
the culture was without a written basin
01:22:04
responsible and about her and almost
01:22:05
almost nothing nothing I don't know you
01:22:09
that's the question
01:22:18
Siberia or Matyushina such figures
01:22:21
women
01:22:22
for this division
01:22:24
mask excellent top stand still
01:22:28
found and I want that's what the moment means
01:22:33
talk about
01:22:34
come to laziness
01:22:35
don't talk to Christians about those generations
01:22:38
which have been for thousands of years
01:22:41
territory claims that they are pagans
01:22:44
that's how I understood it, but my accuracy is not
01:22:49
we can really say here too
01:22:51
what are they
01:23:00
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01:23:18
where are these where are these jeans where will this one say
01:23:21
Do you understand the question specifically?
01:23:37
I'm afraid I'm afraid it's still something
01:23:39
mythology because it’s good after all
01:23:41
talk to specific ladies for 25 thousand years
01:23:44
BC which you that wheel
01:23:46
of Christ, in principle, not for me at all
01:23:48
real figure that is this sex this
01:23:51
time where in them neither where nor anywhere in the world
01:23:53
nothing nothing nothing that is, both of these figures
01:23:57
once upon a time this is just this this
01:24:02
completely completely wrong because
01:24:05
the most ancient artifacts themselves are there
01:24:08
again five thousand years before the triumph
01:24:11
Christ's melting it's you it's hardly that
01:24:13
there is 25 thousand that's
01:24:15
no what you please be careful about
01:24:24
please check no it's absolutely
01:24:27
Well, here’s the mythology from which already
01:24:29
it is worth doing the same thing about
01:24:34
advanced civilization is hotter
01:24:36
water supply and
01:24:38
and the like, that is, all water pipes
01:24:44
ribs roman invention
01:24:46
and now Rome is really home to some
01:24:51
which I installed. who built with a limit
01:24:54
if only there was hot water supply
01:24:56
in ordinary houses there is no hot water
01:24:58
the water supply was there and stretched there
01:24:59
fix it, run such a pipe with hot
01:25:02
water to no one's head to anyone's head
01:25:06
one cent to a friend to a head to a head
01:25:08
didn't come along in the house maybe water
01:25:11
water heat up so on therefore if
01:25:16
they talk about it a lot, a lot, a lot
01:25:18
Uhura in the Ural settlement
01:25:21
which are round round pastel on
01:25:23
this one is tiny
01:25:25
village of circular circular formation
01:25:29
there they are probably pagans
01:25:31
pagans say and fantasize it there
01:25:33
their problems because there is nothing there
01:25:35
especially otherwise I’ll take a tiny one
01:25:38
village the size of time modern
01:25:41
the apartment building is waiting in other words
01:25:47
large communal apartment even
01:25:49
not even very big, but here it is in pes
01:25:51
inscribed in a circle, some are big
01:25:56
great discoveries of the door of antiquity are not there
01:26:01
there was nothing like that
01:26:03
material civilization is more developed
01:26:05
Lonskaya was a material civilization
01:26:07
Egyptian was developed and the most developed was
01:26:10
yeah, well then it was natural there
01:26:13
Chinese Indian most developed in
01:26:15
in this sense it was a Greco-Roman sin
01:26:19
Greco-Roman civilization which yes
01:26:22
further further further Byzantine that is
01:26:24
Well, actually, naturally, with a successor
01:26:26
and and everything else is a fantasy that
01:26:31
are not confirmed by anything
01:26:38
performance
01:26:42
game token them like pagans
01:26:46
well here I understand this concept where not
01:26:50
there is one god, everything else is there
01:26:52
something else, well, a pagan synonym field
01:26:56
polytheism but I'm priceless
01:27:00
I just say yes yes they can extract
01:27:02
favor a real border but a water one
01:27:04
after all, this is a hero developed at least
01:27:10
at least these two
01:27:11
buried in some of their
01:27:13
developed forms and indeed
01:27:24
villagers here or there and nomadic tribes
01:27:27
it's simple
01:27:29
no correctness is lost
01:27:33
because the words collection is not lost in
01:27:35
Italy feels like a pagan
01:27:37
Is certain folk true?
01:27:40
Nikiforovich of civilization in essence
01:27:42
we just
01:27:43
the same state and days when elitism
01:27:47
gave birth to a bunch of different civilizations here
01:27:52
you're probably just
01:27:55
maybe I'm not very clear about it
01:27:57
did you express yourself, maybe you didn’t hear it very well
01:27:59
when I kicked in that context when I
01:28:01
talked about in pagan
01:28:04
classifications of different pagan beliefs
01:28:06
that is, how do they classify it?
01:28:10
there they say there is by Lewis and
01:28:12
the honor to which they attribute
01:28:15
Confucianism and Buddhism
01:28:17
they certainly have a place in meat paganism
01:28:20
yes yes that's actually what I just described
01:28:22
and if we just make a remark, what will we say
01:28:28
so at least there’s definitely one there
01:28:30
there are spiritual traditions developed there
01:28:33
of course it just wasn't in
01:28:36
There are definitely no folk beliefs
01:28:42
Let's say Buddhism is developed and
01:28:46
developed religious philosophy
01:28:50
which nevertheless turned out to be
01:28:53
accessible and acceptable only to
01:28:56
very small quantity
01:28:57
intellectuals and therefore the people's
01:29:00
Buddhism as we know it is mixed with
01:29:04
very rude for clean
01:29:05
that is that is that it created that
01:29:07
certainly created this culture
01:29:09
one less civilization at least
01:29:11
at least 2 a long time ago but these people don’t
01:29:22
accepted for the most part therefore just
01:29:25
nice in southeast asia where everything is there
01:29:28
it's absolutely filled with all sorts of things
01:29:31
there is a house of gods and so on where
01:29:33
everywhere there are offerings of these these these
01:29:36
spirit where there on of Thailand there on on
01:29:39
every ship has a glass in front of it
01:29:41
with water so that such spirits fly by
01:29:43
everyone would get drunk well yes yes that's why yes
01:29:49
this is this this is this is on homogeneous
01:29:52
Buddhism which is unable
01:29:53
to really perceive such a height
01:29:56
philosophical thought will
01:29:59
Mister how long already
01:30:02
blue tractor with another one in England
01:30:07
for example, somewhere suppose the poor
01:30:09
work
01:30:11
medicines, something else our Orthodox
01:30:14
eastern for them is absolutely clear to
01:30:16
quite distant temple of cultures
01:30:20
may have to be perceived as quite
01:30:21
still similar more similar to
01:30:23
some dots than on them
01:30:26
Christian church at the level though
01:30:29
ballistic and such not much
01:30:31
intellectually developed somewhere whales
01:30:34
may rituals which they do not have and which
01:30:38
will be interpreted accordingly
01:30:40
just like they are not Christian because they are not
01:30:42
are obligated to do so
01:30:44
and so on, that is, this look he he
01:30:48
it's possible just as well, then maybe I don't
01:30:52
I completely understand what you want to say
01:30:54
leopard scientific syrup right on yes I am
01:30:58
about just explaining what in your case is
01:31:00
what was said from hart was there and that
01:31:03
there is a deep pessimistic teaching
01:31:07
to whom he came in general she
01:31:12
quite a bit
01:31:14
are observed
01:31:17
among those peoples who Buddhism will
01:31:20
definitely practices
01:31:21
the good of the leader is quite quite this
01:31:23
divides but they are not the top people
01:31:26
people all this but this is the principle
01:31:33
the fundamental difference is that those
01:31:35
abuses that exist in
01:31:37
Christianity
01:31:38
I constantly fought with them in church
01:31:40
pass the cathedrals that said that
01:31:42
this is this this is wrong this is not
01:31:44
there must be something to talk about
01:31:46
some kind of popular abuse, but then
01:31:48
that the workshop of this is opposed to the driver's hands
01:31:50
it will be clear that they are all there
01:31:52
the superstitious believe it all, so what of them
01:31:54
do such such people therefore dad
01:31:57
it's better for yourself better than
01:31:59
than berries. here's another moment
01:32:02
which was heard and none of them was
01:32:07
said
01:32:09
the source is not the source of our sources
01:32:11
phenomena as names as an example of Velesov
01:32:14
book
01:32:15
you can say the book version is one of
01:32:22
fakes that modern people use
01:32:27
losers modern modern here
01:32:30
whists at least for today
01:32:33
conference in my opinion what they say for
01:32:35
already very many of them because it is already
01:32:37
there passed the last century that many of them
01:32:39
she was abandoned
01:32:40
but in any case, Veles’ book was
01:32:43
created in the second half of the twentieth
01:32:45
centuries and there is again such a theory that in
01:32:49
in principle this is a creation of American
01:32:51
some special services because for the first time she
01:32:56
revealed they spoke in connected
01:32:58
states already in the post-war period she was there
01:33:01
the myth itself that days and white
01:33:03
an immigrant opened a wooden one and found it somewhere
01:33:07
Diona's sign, are you a Libra from Russia?
01:33:09
or somewhere else in France with
01:33:12
in unknown letters which they say
01:33:14
he deciphered it but then they burned out
01:33:17
peace from an unknown reason he them so
01:33:22
I didn't have time to take a photo so
01:33:25
one soup authentic image
01:33:27
they don't exist there are only a few
01:33:29
copies where he stopped it by hand
01:33:32
everything else is already preserved in his
01:33:34
decoding tobacco the problem is that
01:33:39
serious historians and linguists but here
01:33:43
looking at it they said that this
01:33:46
so fake it's below the baseboard level
01:33:48
therefore it is even below our dignity
01:33:50
and and to refute this, well, with one
01:33:53
on the other hand, of course
01:33:55
it gave birth to let lets fakes
01:34:00
strengthen it burns here no
01:34:01
refutation means all these all and
01:34:03
they accept but it’s clear who I am
01:34:07
he created it completely there
01:34:09
ancient Russian language specialists
01:34:10
because they are all there pretending to be
01:34:13
that it was once written in
01:34:14
ninth century after Christ then
01:34:18
there is before Russia adopted Christianity
01:34:19
but nevertheless the language in which everything
01:34:22
it's written like this
01:34:24
writing the language in which
01:34:26
written it is not the language of the 9th century after
01:34:30
Christmas there are words there on the 15th
01:34:33
century of the 16th century, well, that is, this is some
01:34:35
such an attempt to create it by some ancient
01:34:38
Russian language but a person who clearly speaks
01:34:41
actually very serious
01:34:44
a specialist and it’s unlikely there alone
01:34:46
can make such a fake
01:34:48
reliable and it was even a company
01:34:51
very very very not serious
01:34:52
specialist on this it turned out that
01:34:54
it turned out very, very much will not see me
01:34:56
look like a fake but anyway
01:35:00
according to this legend, nothing
01:35:03
preserved and only already there in
01:35:04
America
01:35:05
opened the network copy written by hand
01:35:07
who encrypted and let in
01:35:10
turnover, including that they got into
01:35:12
Soviet Union where they also formed the basis for
01:35:15
the basis of our background is from the children's movement
01:35:18
Well, I really don’t know, I’m not inclined
01:35:21
conspiracy theories but of course it's all there
01:35:23
very similar to just from NATO
01:35:25
the very theory of Adolf Hitler there
01:35:27
run with us and until I see seconds
01:35:29
run these these on his tongue and
01:35:31
movement, this is one of the attempts
01:35:32
such a dump
01:35:35
but it’s interesting that the center for example
01:35:37
Ukrainian but also the pagan movement
01:35:39
run faith visible Ukrainian folk faith
01:35:42
is located in New Jersey and
01:35:45
it formed tender between
01:35:49
between two warriors but especially after
01:35:51
started but formed like this
01:35:54
after the Second World War and wife
01:35:57
former Ukrainian President Yushchenko
01:35:58
she was born there in the United States and
01:36:00
father was the main priest behind this very
01:36:03
run of faith, that is, she came from there when she arrived
01:36:05
to Ukraine before our question Mormons
01:36:17
Mormons will appreciate this relationship in the bar
01:36:19
year from its hormone axis such yes yes yes
01:36:24
yes, yes, and that is, well, there were gold ones there
01:36:27
wooden political money sign
01:36:39
why and can be reduced in this sense
01:36:46
stick your nose into one group
01:36:50
some mystical lines from one
01:36:57
this is on formal grounds
01:36:58
development
01:36:59
and how much it feeds the big bulldog
01:37:03
for such nuclear inside this is the presence or
01:37:07
lack of spirituality in this religion
01:37:09
practice of this special kind is not
01:37:11
who are engaged in special ascetics
01:37:13
who devotes his whole life to this and
01:37:18
it goes that in China the facial are you all for
01:37:21
region believe
01:37:22
Confucianism is not what they have there
01:37:26
something Taoism Taoism up
01:37:29
religion facial is not that simple
01:37:31
there are no rules, rules of life
01:37:33
in principle they are not collegiate to religion
01:37:35
relates and then Taoism is not there
01:37:38
Hinduism is not a world religion after all
01:37:41
because this is not a local religion
01:37:43
they might add, and the ringing is very
01:37:44
numerous anyway because locally
01:37:46
religion because traditional Hinduism
01:37:47
Ticino was not interviewed and Indians cannot become
01:37:50
a soul can only be born and be born into
01:37:52
cards call this we will you
01:37:55
I was angry about the caste system that's why
01:37:57
we are basically there, it’s our karma
01:38:01
[music]
01:38:04
well anyway
01:38:06
Judaism can be difficult to accept, but possible
01:38:10
It’s difficult to get energy even up to 1 year
01:38:14
one ear but Hinduism cannot be accepted
01:38:17
because if you weren't born
01:38:20
in a family that belongs to one or another
01:38:22
bones then you
01:38:25
you buckwheat white barbarian then you have kvass
01:38:27
karma is like that, that is, the maximum you can do
01:38:28
you can count on that if you
01:38:31
some special life together that is
01:38:32
very very very small chance that
01:38:35
next life you will be born a woman in
01:38:37
untouchable caste so this is it
01:38:53
how is shamanism is on its shamanism
01:38:57
somewhere shamanism has been preserved in our
01:39:00
country is extremely unlikely but maybe
01:39:03
somewhere some remains among some
01:39:05
northern tribes exist but the main one is
01:39:08
the main difference between shamanism and 1 shamanism and
01:39:10
that you cannot learn to become a shaman no
01:39:15
there are seminaries for shaman schools and so on
01:39:17
madness can only happen in
01:39:19
continuity and a certain shaman
01:39:23
traditional shaman of the world and he
01:39:25
accordingly he can transfer his gift
01:39:27
to another shaman when he is there now
01:39:30
California you graduate from the shaman academy
01:39:32
and get a diploma
01:39:35
templates from now on you start
01:39:37
practice but this is from the point of view
01:39:38
traditionally shamanism is absolutely nonsense
01:39:41
therefore, how much do we have after the Soviet
01:39:45
the skating rink has actually been preserved somehow
01:39:46
shamanic continuity in some
01:39:48
remote northern northern areas is
01:39:50
quite a controversial issue but
01:39:52
theoretically maybe preserved somewhere
01:39:54
maybe but in any case all these 99.9
01:39:58
percent of those who call today
01:39:59
themselves as shamans, it’s already completely there
01:40:02
on the ears of manistic what groups too
01:40:04
refer to
01:40:05
another one of the subsections on paganism
01:40:10
[music]
01:40:12
well yes yes widowers
01:40:20
the effects we have
01:40:24
everyone who doesn't pack 1 lemon
01:40:27
it's not true it's not true it's a myth yes
01:40:35
because the sect is impossible so
01:40:41
you can organize it on tochka.net
01:40:42
organize a sect but how
01:40:44
sect appears
01:40:46
and this kind of mystery begins to act
01:40:51
which I couldn’t answer for you
01:40:52
I still don't understand why
01:40:54
some sects took root and became
01:40:57
spread others no because
01:41:00
I can now I will negotiate only with us
01:41:02
available in the center
01:41:05
Saint Irenaeus of Lyons several folders
01:41:09
very thick under the code name
01:41:11
there are different crazy people there, the granddaughter of God
01:41:17
java and there is an inscription on the Archangel Gabriel
01:41:20
letters are written there by the Virgin Mary, Jesus is there
01:41:24
Christ but there are a million different options
01:41:26
one person came
01:41:28
get a job and brought in
01:41:31
reverse chronological order
01:41:33
compiled there from last place
01:41:35
work to 1 his last place of work
01:41:37
was a consultant on Orthodox
01:41:39
Christianity in some company and the first
01:41:43
place of work of the Supreme Bishop of Denmark
01:41:45
kingdoms from 1234 to 1200 there at all
01:41:49
ninth year yes yes I yes I didn’t accept it
01:41:54
to work because he said he was
01:41:56
the gap is also too big
01:42:08
yes but the question is why do we do all this
01:42:13
We store it and don’t pass it on, it was here
01:42:14
Serbian so that there are some graduate students
01:42:17
would write a candidate's dissertation on
01:42:19
on this basis, well, because from
01:42:21
any of these craziest doctrines
01:42:24
it might turn out to be a sect
01:42:25
you never know when you study what
01:42:28
believes this or that sect, in general it is
01:42:31
example about the same there and here
01:42:33
when you start studying the question you are amazed
01:42:35
how can people believe this but still
01:42:37
less like you see this is how it is
01:42:39
happens and a person walks there
01:42:40
preach preach nothing
01:42:41
it turns out that he actually dies
01:42:44
he doesn't have anyone, he's walking around there
01:42:46
she's been preaching for ten years 11 suddenly there
01:42:48
something happened there was a chemical
01:42:49
reaction and it all started there
01:42:52
develop and become a sect of someone
01:42:54
it works out there earlier so that's it
01:42:58
the idea that somewhere all this was invented and
01:42:59
somehow she went there, I'm just here she is with
01:43:04
my experience down they do not agree
01:43:06
because I haven't said anything yet
01:43:09
but another thing is that the sect is really
01:43:12
is a political factor and what
01:43:18
a sect is not created in one jacket
01:43:20
the centers are ominous that's for sure but what
01:43:22
sects are supported by one or another
01:43:27
intelligence agencies or this or that
01:43:29
government agencies are
01:43:31
undoubtedly that that that that they
01:43:33
are also used as a factor between
01:43:34
gift pressure how are the agents there?
01:43:36
influence again it depends on
01:43:38
specific sect and how some
01:43:40
Not everyone cooperates with intelligence agencies
01:43:42
definitely not all of the quality
01:43:43
spy sects and so on then this this
01:43:46
it’s not true that this is something there
01:43:48
some kind of material support there
01:43:50
some support political ones
01:43:51
that's it for sure but that's just it
01:43:53
used already existing facts well
01:43:55
not that someone somewhere somewhere
01:43:56
invents invents power from
01:43:58
inventor quin those who still invent
01:44:00
and the fact that it’s populated is just briefly simple
01:44:03
yes or no it's all the same
01:44:04
according to you created experimental
01:44:07
whether such a purchase was natural or not
01:44:11
was like this was like this was like this
01:44:13
guy by guy Vissarion that is not
01:44:15
Vissarion Sergei Anton Shtor about
01:44:18
no he deserved it
01:44:21
the traffic cops then kicked me out of there because of the booze
01:44:24
worked there for a year and a half there from
01:44:27
strength therefore to say that he is from some
01:44:30
just add a little service to me
01:44:34
worked for the police no he what what
01:44:38
it's horrible
01:44:40
I mean, it’s also a mystery to me
01:44:43
because there are all leaders like that
01:44:45
some kind of charismatic Bereslavsky
01:44:46
founder of the Mother of God center but this
01:44:49
it just sparkles, of course it's crazy but
01:44:51
there's something new there, such a creative person, there's everything there
01:44:54
everything about him
01:44:55
she starts talking there
01:44:58
then he cries, then he laughs, then something else
01:45:00
then in general everyone is holding everyone shaking and this one
01:45:03
bore and bore brakes begin to attack
01:45:06
there's one ton dddd
01:45:09
I don’t know how this is possible there anymore
01:45:14
20 will talk already there I completely agree
01:45:16
just shut up finally, but yes, yes
01:45:25
Baba there are but how can I tell you I need
01:45:28
after all, it’s all very true
01:45:31
exaggerate no one believes that
01:45:32
it is impossible to influence a person without
01:45:34
the will of the person himself, but so here it is
01:45:37
right now I’ll talk to them there twice
01:45:38
zombified such such such not
01:45:40
it happens like gypsy hypnosis at the end
01:45:43
ends in which there is no hypnosis, that is
01:45:44
usually these are scams
01:45:46
divorces yes therefore per person it is possible
01:45:48
carry only well there is a person there himself
01:45:50
wants to be influenced
01:45:52
the task of any sectarian recruiter
01:45:54
this is the way to turn you around
01:45:55
wanted this this this here
01:45:58
impact tester on that is
01:45:59
the usual 3-step scheme to gain trust
01:46:02
then make a strong impression
01:46:04
emotion and then offered to offer
01:46:07
the solution is actually always either
01:46:10
any any Masha and fraudulent
01:46:11
technology seems to have hit everyone
01:46:13
in a sect it is necessary just for two to coincide
01:46:15
conditions sectarian bait
01:46:17
accordingly, it is interesting for the person himself
01:46:19
there are different stops for a person to
01:46:21
the desired state is most inspired by
01:46:23
there was passion, well, of course there is
01:46:24
people are more suggestible both by nature and
01:46:25
the studio inspires me but not at all
01:46:27
there are no suggestible people when a person
01:46:29
experiences stress and suggestibility
01:46:30
actually increases if that's why
01:46:33
if you are there at the right moment with the right one
01:46:35
a proposal or something to say correctly
01:46:36
I need I need to offer
01:46:38
the likelihood that anyone will go
01:46:39
very, very great among us so far
01:46:42
having told there is such a sad saying
01:46:44
every person has his own guru and your
01:46:47
happiness
01:46:48
if you never meet
01:46:49
[music]
01:46:54
hide how reiki is an occult system
01:47:02
healing
01:47:05
sect this organization has several
01:47:08
reiki organizations with large or
01:47:13
less signs of sectarianism but itself
01:47:15
this healing system itself
01:47:17
arranged on a pyramidal principle
01:47:19
that there is some energy that passes
01:47:24
cosmic energy this is the reiki
01:47:27
ki is the same as you as in the word qigong
01:47:29
there and so on that pass through
01:47:31
the hands of a healer and which to some
01:47:33
way heals diseases despite the fact that she
01:47:35
It has
01:47:36
selective properties of this energy as
01:47:38
can elect, that is, if a person
01:47:40
good comrade flooded there is bad
01:47:42
then it’s his own fault, that’s why he’s like this without
01:47:48
win-win project cured
01:47:50
thank God for the good market is not so
01:47:52
sorry here's the problem problem problem
01:47:57
the problem is you naturally and [ __ ]
01:48:00
healing paid is there
01:48:02
people pay to get treatment
01:48:07
money to complete the course and
01:48:09
you can become a master of the first degree and
01:48:13
carry out paid treatment yourself
01:48:15
big money you can become a master
01:48:17
second degree and treat already at
01:48:19
distance not just being there nearby
01:48:22
with a man moving his hands above the surface
01:48:24
body contactless this is us
01:48:26
so that we need energy there and
01:48:28
affected the area
01:48:29
or maybe there’s just a different person there
01:48:33
city concentrated, sent energy, but
01:48:36
growth is empty to become a third master
01:48:38
the degree of the highest fighter for these
01:48:40
degrees can be dedicated to other masters
01:48:41
Well, that is, that is, it costs even more
01:48:44
that is, but yes, yes, yes, well
01:48:47
accordingly, the trouble is exactly that
01:48:49
a very clearly clearly constructed pyramid
01:48:50
it seems that five is more and more expensive
01:48:51
the previous ones are there, well, accordingly there
01:48:54
you have become bigger
01:48:57
suit master third degree and
01:48:59
accordingly, they further attract others
01:49:01
people and returning the money that
01:49:03
spent on that and then there for
01:49:07
you make money, but it’s quite different from what I’m in
01:49:10
not Herbalife or you too, me too
01:49:23
I think that all this is all down
01:49:24
exists by the river of shame, but they are in
01:49:26
basically can't decide
01:49:27
relative to its founder, that is, a
01:49:30
I'm not saying that this is someone Japanese Mikao Usui no relative
01:49:34
biographies they themselves get confused later
01:49:36
depends on the direction of the slats someone
01:49:37
says he was a Catholic priest
01:49:39
the one who was a Protestant pastor who
01:49:41
then he says he was a Buddhist monk
01:49:42
at all and yes but it's it's it's they they
01:49:49
everyone refers to this, yes I dory for once
01:49:53
fur sooyoung 1 I was thinking about this
01:49:56
I have a hypothesis why they are like this
01:49:59
decided because when actually everything
01:50:01
it was actually mikao usui semi
01:50:03
mythical personality is not clear at all there
01:50:04
there was, well, no, that is, perhaps there was, but
01:50:06
was he the founder of breaks new 100
01:50:08
people started late nineteenth
01:50:10
centuries when just Christian
01:50:13
missionaries in japan began to act
01:50:14
very active and very popular
01:50:18
Roman Catholic picture of the time
01:50:20
and I am the light of the world, it is called everywhere
01:50:24
Lithographs like this were distributed there
01:50:25
where is the picture of such candies
01:50:28
image of jesus christ with hands from
01:50:30
such rays of light emanate from the hands and it is written
01:50:33
here I am, okay, I'm the light of the world, so hurry up
01:50:35
there really is some kind of
01:50:36
the Japanese saw this picture and the best
01:50:39
case of light and on this
01:50:41
I quickly built my own theory, but
01:50:55
typical figures of women and
01:51:01
what will the figurine give new to me not 20-25
01:51:08
for thousands of years we have been dancing and
01:51:14
absolutely no real number five
01:51:17
five thousand years from maximum to which
01:51:19
which is if historical
01:51:21
don't waste a historical find but it's good
01:51:28
let's look at but she's on them on them
01:51:33
it is written that this is the goddess Mokosh
01:51:35
[music]
01:51:39
wow this is pagan then
01:51:42
female female deity sleep purely with
01:51:45
emphasized female forms and so on
01:51:48
further, yes, why, why can they do this before
01:51:50
as if paleolithic around the world this is
01:51:53
located here
01:52:02
why could they never
01:52:05
conditionally they call it that way, why are they
01:52:07
conventionally that's what they're called, what about you?
01:52:20
no but no we were both of you were and
01:52:23
pagan veneration that would be
01:52:25
pagan whenever about this then what to
01:52:27
there were physical and some breaks until 1
01:52:30
what they were we don't know
01:52:32
the name vegetables is absolutely arbitrary
01:52:35
like somewhere one is called Venus
01:52:37
but so on too, yes there too
01:52:40
absolutely conditional to the main thing given before
01:52:42
female deity with honor broad
01:52:44
hips big breasts and so on give
01:52:48
this is how childbearing, fertility and so on
01:52:52
As for the chronology, let's say this very much
01:52:55
controversial issue I would like to thank you
01:53:10
so the range of topics covered by you
01:53:13
wide enough
01:53:16
As you can see, the questions are ministers
01:53:18
a little bit of 10
01:53:19
thank you for coming because
01:53:22
that it seems to me that for each of us
01:53:26
some kind of plus
01:53:27
brought meetings and felt tangible for someone
01:53:31
less saved when you meet with
01:53:36
a person who can imitate me
01:53:39
simply convincing emotional
01:53:40
side for example somehow
01:53:44
charismatic data she grounds
01:53:46
quite strict beautiful wrote 6
01:53:48
kulady then this gives you and me some kind of
01:53:52
internal hospitals that are with us
01:53:55
everyone will remain on the other side with you
01:53:57
Can someone help answer this question?
01:54:01
these questions do not arise
01:54:03
independent why from age
01:54:05
physically it will be all summer mature
01:54:07
the person when you meet the most
01:54:10
we understand categories of people by age
01:54:13
that everyone is interested in the same person
01:54:16
does not change with age, he is also capable
01:54:18
he is even capable of making mistakes
01:54:21
react emotionally to what
01:54:23
completely simple war appearances from it
01:54:26
admitted only unconditionally, regardless
01:54:29
from the age of our son the station is like this
01:54:32
knowledge they can thank you for
01:54:36
attention
01:54:37
thank you so much for what you saw
01:54:40
As far as I understand, until November 1, 6 there were
01:54:43
know this and of course there is for us
01:54:46
small work specific questions
01:54:50
there were also specific deficiencies
01:54:53
philosophical
01:54:54
so it’s possible that this is our first but
01:54:57
they are the last meeting because we
01:55:00
salaries compare on a narrow range of faculties but
01:55:04
nevertheless it is knowledge that
01:55:05
unitary knowledge historically philosophical
01:55:09
allegorical which may be
01:55:11
useful to anyone, again like no 80
01:55:13
faculty specifics
01:55:15
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14 декабря 2017 года в рамках Мариинских Встреч Технического Училища («МВТУ») в конференц-зале кафедры Э-4 состоялась встреча с историком-медиевистом, Ph.D. Фордемского университета Нью-Йорка, профессором ПСТГУ Александром Леонидовичем Дворкиным, который является признанным на государственном уровне специалистом в области современных религиозных и околорелигиозных обществ. Встреча была посвящена неоязыческим течениям, которые достаточно активно проявляются в России, призывая к якобы традиционной вере русского народа, но часто носят разрушительный и даже экстремистский характер. Александр Леонидович не только сам раскрыл основные тезисы неоязыческих учений, но и ответил на множество вопросов аудитории. Приведем ряд ключевых пунктов обсуждения. Неоязычество включает в себя множество течений. Самое распространенное – это нативизм, т.е. призыв вернуться к верованиям, которые были у народов до принятия современной традиционной религии. Для славян – это призыв вернуться к языческой вере, когда славянские племена веровали в различных «богов» (это и есть язычество = политеизм): мокош, род, перун, сварог… И здесь первый важный тезис состоит в том, что люди не знают, какой была языческая вера, поскольку у нас не сохранились точные ее описания, нет источников. Есть только краткие упоминания в славянских летописях, в некоторых византийских, арабских и армянских источниках (что связано с торговлей со славянами). Академик Рыбаков, проведший много археологических изысканий славянских поселений, как серьезный ученый четко заключил, что адекватная реконструкция славянской жизни и верований невозможна из-за скудности источников. Что-же тогда призывают восстановить волхвы современных язычников? А они сами строят верования по своему усмотрению, и ни о каком возврате к древним верованиям не может быть и речи. Причем зарубежные лидеры неоязыческих течений четко и честно в этом признаются в отличие от российских неоязычников. Фактически можно утверждать, что неоязычество зародилось в 50-ые, 60-ые годы XX в. с появлением религиозного течения Newage, мистической и наркотической молодежной субкультуры! При этом наше неоязычество является частью международного неоязыческого движения. Все неоязыческие течения носят агрессивный характер против монотеистических религий и, главным образом, антихристианский характер. Книга «Славянские веды» является просто манипулятивным предметом в дискуссиях неоязычников. Она не раскрывает славянские языческие верования (даже название «Славянские веды» некорректно), а говорит о религиозных предписаниях для арийских жрецов (иранцы, захватившие Индию) при принесении жертв. Очень важным тезисом является то, что русские никогда не были язычниками. Русская нация, как объединение славянских племен (поляне, древляне, чудь,…) возникла как следствие принятия христианского крещения благодаря великому князю Владимиру. Так зародилась наша государственность и таково народное самосознание. Ведь, например, англичане осознают свою Родину, как добрую старую Англию, немцы – разумную Германию, французы – прекрасную Францию, а русские называют свою землю Русь святая. Т.е. уход от язычества собрал многие народы и объединил их православной верой, принеся мир и добрососедство. Здесь стоит развеять и миф о крещении Руси огнем и мечем. Это выражение мы встречаем в Лаврентьевской летописи, когда описывается подавление Добрыней Новгородского восстания. Новгород долго сопротивлялся объединению и в данном эпизоде говорится о практически политическом восстании, к которому призвали новгородские волхвы, чтобы не зависеть от Киева. Параллельно с этим мы находим в летописи записи о мирном принятии христианства жителями десятков крупных городов. Русское православное христианство характерно мягким включением в свою государственность многих народов с сохранением их традиций и ценностей. При этом миссионерство в этих народах, если и было, то носило укрепляющий просветительских характер. Оно давало письменность бесписьменным народам, что, наряду с возможностью принять христианство, помогало сохранить традиции, память предков. Неоязычество же в этом разрезе совпадает, как это ни странно, с планами Адольфа Гитлера во времена Второй Мировой Войны, когда он хотел максимально разделить славянскую общность, «возродив» в каждом селении свои языческие верования. Неужели мы можем согласиться с реализацией сейчас того, что искала нацистская Германия? Разговор о неоязычестве продолжался 2 часа и был очень познавателен и профессионален. Спасибо Александру Леонидовичу Дворкину за его внимание к студенчеству и профессорско-преподавательской корпорации МГТУ.

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