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романенко

юрий романенко

романенко юрий

новости украина

романенко последнее

Сергей Дацюк

Новая архитектура человечества

Владимир Никитин

Тарас Бебешко

Юрий Чудновский

будущее человечества

философия

искусственный интеллект

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so friends Hello everyone Surfers

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Loafers deviants I’m just looking And

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show me what’s on the side But I’m not

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looking in the right direction I’m

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used to fighting honey badgers and fighting honey badgers

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Well, you should have put the camera higher

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Well, as I said Well Rum Well, Christmas trees and sticks

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will now be shown to me from the side

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In short, we have a gang of four, as

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you remember, in the days of Mazda after Mauz Dun

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there were such people. I think that everyone

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present here belongs to the category

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for whom these are empty

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words.

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So, finally, what many

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asked for is happening in our studio, this is not happening

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not not not like that at all not like that the idea

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to hand over the book actually appeared in this

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studio Well, not in this one but in the Romani studio Yes,

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there were conversations for a long time that we should

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overeat and people were asking for a long time Yes,

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we finally finally found a move Well,

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or a sponsor found us of this edition

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Artyom Karpets handed us the money the prices were

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constantly changing we seemed to be worried

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But finally all the worries are behind us the circulation in the

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studio Yes here it is on the table it’s not a

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full circulation we’re tearing up Yes so we

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get it So hold it Yeah Oh that’s a

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weighty one still hold it for us why are we what

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hold it in your hands You take it And how

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it smells, we'll figure it out later, friends, it

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smells great I, as a lover of

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literature and books in general, will say that

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it smells great Well, this is how it

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looks, this is how

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those who come to us today will be able to

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touch it with their own hands at our place

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After this event means

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next event where, as Datsyuk said,

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Yes, what will be the communication between the authors

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and the readers? Yes, in an open format, an

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open loshe, an Open format, What is the

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book about? Let’s tell the readers, we do

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n’t even know what to say, but

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let’s

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chat for those who have seen the first part, of course, we

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must add that

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an addition has appeared, we decided do not change

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the beginning because at one time the beginning of

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this book became fundamental for the

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demarcation between our colleagues from Russia and

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us, that is, literally in the twentieth

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year we were still hoping in Portugal

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to improve relations that were already falling apart, and

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now the beginning of this book became the moment of

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such a demarcation, so we did not

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decide the beginning do not remove it because it is

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symbolically significant, but the two

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additions that Yura, our editor,

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placed at the end of the book, they seem to

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be a fundamental change in

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relation and this time they

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took part in the additions. No one gave up on

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additionality. That is, they replenished everything in

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this sense, we are considering it how

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important such an investment is, the book has undergone

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changes and this addition was

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drawn on top of what is written in the

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book, that is, some distance

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because the book was published a year before the war, well, a

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year before the large-scale war of the year 2019,

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and in this sense we had

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an idea answer to the question why are we

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doing this? What did this mean for us? And

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what does this mean after

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exactly ten years of war? Therefore, for us

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it was a moment; we did a whole series about

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responsibility; we talked several

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seminars and everything was packaged in

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addition. Therefore, if you look at the

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book today it’s 12, well, plus our

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sponsor 13 participants, it’s just that here, as it were, they are

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put into 12 of

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them, the de textual

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four of the most Such brazos are here in the

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studio and here, according to

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Yura’s concept, the position of each is presented

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without deletions and additions, that is, that

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is, of course we discussed

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editing, but everyone’s position

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is expressed as it is, in this sense,

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the concept of the book is close to an

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almanac. And as we know in history, there were

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such epoch-making almanacs that

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meant something there and then meant something.

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Well, it so happened that here in Ukraine We

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present this tradition tradition of the

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Almanac

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tradition of some vision

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which I hope will be epoch-making Well, I would

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here this

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line of the fact that four

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authors did not write one book but wrote

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their vision from this point of view, these are

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four visions in a certain

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direction, we did not try to coordinate

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even our visions, although

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everyone discussed understood his own and everyone wrote their own

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and

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this nevertheless, in my opinion, it

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turned out to be a rather holistic

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[music]

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vision and

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where did this theme come from in general? Why do

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we start thinking about humanity from here in Ukraine?

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This was the

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turning point for writing this

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book. the theme of humanity is not

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just a tribute to fashion or following the

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fairway, we discussed for a very long time

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where is the minimum level at

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which there are at least conceivable changes

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since relations are power relations

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They are

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total

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and it seems that today we already see that

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the total world or we call it

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the fiat world it

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leads constant deterioration of affairs on earth,

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this

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minimum level turned out to be the level

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denoted by the word

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humanity Well, we started

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with this, we had various collisions,

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trips, work in different countries with Jura

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and the idea of the global world

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that was

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dominant.

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I remember when I said that globalization is

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over and we need a different idea

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not a global world in which

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one attitude dominates, one

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approach is that everyone will enter this

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global world on the conditions that

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were

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laid down by Nada, this is an image of something

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else, an image of humanity, and our first

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book on this topic was published, as far as I

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remember, in the twelfth year it was called

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humanity at play, we then thought about

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what could replace

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geopolitics. How can you think differently

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and then we played very actively

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and here is the idea that humanity

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can, as if

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playing, think of itself in different ways,

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then it arose for us and from then on

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we moved until we got there. That’s

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why, from my point of view, the

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second

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edition appeared. It appeared because we had a

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basic turning point; for me it

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was very significant.

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About geopolitics and globality, we

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already understood that it did not suit us. And

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here’s

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why We did

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n’t understand what deep things were behind the look, but this happened with us

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about 2 years ago and Taras

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probably put the greatest effort into this.

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I was raised not only to

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embrace something, but to climb

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higher and that unity

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is ensured by what you see

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you see more more from above and that you definitely

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need some kind of superstructure, either

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mental or political, which

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will hold this difference

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and we even wrote a book with

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it, the

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metatext is for us Well,

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internal and suddenly we

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realized that if all the time

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this point of view is higher except the idea of a

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global world

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government, nothing will be proposed

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and it is always violence and again there is a

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unified approach, a unified view that

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exists and then

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we suddenly realized that we can

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agree to preserve the

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difference not due to what

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grabs from above, but because from the

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depths from the inside

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between

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in our language FF it’s called mesa, here’s

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Meta and mesa, and this second part is

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written precisely in transition from what

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else in the first part this Meta sounds. Although

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not everywhere, in the second part everywhere there is already

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this

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mesa

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for oniva from above or as organized

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between and from within

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Yes this is Taraz

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bebeshka

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Yes, this fluff of transition from Meta to

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mez fundamentally

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distinguishes those searches that VIM those

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studies

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that one way or another

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Meta any Meta I for a long time in practice

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tried to implement the solution of

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questions of a higher level of a

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higher level of

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complexity and in the limit a situation arises

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when you you just impose yourself

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and then you are already

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in

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and in what ways this imposition occurs

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and what they tried to do with the mesa and

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then offering

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tools seems to me to be an extremely

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interesting way for a place for

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research where very

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wide

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opportunities open up,

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firstly

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for the event of differences in

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language differences

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ideological differences but With all

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this, at a fundamental level, that is,

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roughly

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speaking, we do not propose in any case

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in the second part to use this

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tool, for example, to

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agree to act on the principle of non-

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dominance or the principle of ahimsa, which, unfortunately,

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we very misinterpret as

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not resisting anything like that, the

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same Gandhi wrote that if you take

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responsibility for something, you must take up

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arms in defense of this

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responsibility, and this is the true meaning

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of ahimsa, but we tried, on

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the principle of non-dominance, to put some

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tools,

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to put, let’s say, the

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beginnings of

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things

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that are possible in

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society and not only in society, but also in

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business and in solving applied problems

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And then use based on this, we have

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already rolled out several

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concepts that are absolutely practical and

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real with the help of this

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tool. But what is very important is that this is a

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special tool literally. Today

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I had a conversation

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with one of my friends

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A which

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radio engineering

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and the question from him was, well, we

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hear this question very often. You can do it in a

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simpler way. That’s the truth, Sergei Arkadyevich

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likes to put it in a simple way,

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translate something yes. Could you somehow

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explain it in a simpler language? what are

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you saying, I’m saying of course they could Well,

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only you answer me first

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You know what a broadband

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analog

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oscillograph is for

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Of course we are working with this We

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know these Well, the tools that we

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offer are also a broadband

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analog oscilloscope but a social

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system Of course you can solve problems with the

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help of a hammer and a chisel in electronics

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and electrical engineering too, but it’s better to still

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look at the

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scrap if you know how to

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use it in our conditions in

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war conditions because many people ask

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the question: That’s the stink there, they’ve been scrawling about the stink of

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sitting there what to write is

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practical Well, this is one of the turning

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points when we started talking about

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humanity, the question immediately arose:

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What is

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humanity’s maximum level of

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interests that you should live

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and for the sake of which

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you should

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die? There is an assumption that if you

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reach the level of humanity then you

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lose your connection to the country, in

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fact, this is what we do. This is work both

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here and there, but the view of yourself from

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humanity also changes the attitude towards your

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country. This means that

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this is how we now interpret

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Ukraine to humanity, that is,

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Ukrainianness that relates itself to

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humanity and not from a shard of sharavar and

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anything

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else, this Ukrainianness as a humanity is a

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phenomenon then from this point

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of view, which We are producing here

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specifically today, now we will

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compare with our relations with

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humanity in principle, well, look,

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there is another

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question that we investigated before

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how they made the second edition of this

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book, who is even able to talk about

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humanity, it was a happy time, we did

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n’t know about it 2010 When China

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declared such a low at the international level, it did

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n’t take off, that is, they proposed it,

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they promoted it, it seems

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clear that somewhere already in the twentieth

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year, just in time for the epidemic, it was clear that

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this proposal of theirs was of no interest to anyone, the

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world

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delimitation. Where in general can

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humanity be discussed in internal

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national politics is not clear

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because nations And even those who we are

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empires, who can even talk about this,

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intellectuals, politicians, secret services here

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Taras Today we were amused that under

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our last video there was such a

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remark from the FSB. Pay attention, and the second one is

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there from the SBU. Pay attention. And I would like,

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well, if we assume that the special services

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are still intelligence,

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then we could say So,

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shaking this book, Pay attention attention

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MGB of China CIA mi 6 mod SBU and FSB

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Pay attention Yes, but for some reason I have

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the feeling that the intelligence services are no longer an

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intelligence service, but

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rather they are not even working as a state And

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political bodies are If somewhere

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else there is an intellectual community Well, we

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tried and poked in one direction, to

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one country to another country, also

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somehow roughly speaking, our question is Who is

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even capable of talking about this

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in the world today in the world, we are looking for them here here here there was a

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question from one of our

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viewers, he asked Well in principle,

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here in the West Is there

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I will read it verbatim. And please tell me

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if there is a

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similar circle of like-minded people in Western countries. If so, is there an

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exchange

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of opinions? Well, first of all, why is it only in

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the West and in the East that there is also an East, there is a

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special Islamic world with special intellectual

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practices and with an intellectual vision and

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this is a very interesting world when

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Taras upol

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Prome is to try to see these different

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views

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located in different areas in different

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ideas and work with them This is the

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very frame

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of humanity, humanity is

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always just taking shape Yes, but by frequent we do

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not mean the

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totality people of

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different

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places, but a certain spiritual community, but it

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exists. It is being formed all the time, and by the way,

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the Ukrainian

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Vernadsky formed one of these

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ideas about the

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noosphere and used it, but used it, did not

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form it, it was

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with that’s not the point now, that’s not what we’re

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talking about, which means it

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always amuses me. this is the desire

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of people who do something with their hands,

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call it

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practice, we are engaged in practice And you are doing

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something there, this is when Plato

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introduced the idea of practice, he said

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that Practice is the implementation of

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theory, everything that does not have a theory, practice

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is not, roughly speaking, it is not and

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therefore you always need

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something

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speculative or that unites

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different things and allows you to do something, and in

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this sense, an idea of humanity,

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but this is not a theory, this is that big

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image

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that

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allows you to come up with different theories and

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build different

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practices. This is the first Second, because every

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time This happens in the

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history of the movement of some people towards the

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understanding and formation of

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this whole, do not

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reduce it to some units and every time in

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history it is suppressed.

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Society for me, for example, the first

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such idea was built by the

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Cynics. They led what later became

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known as Well, their word was

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cosmopolitan, this is the Cynics they came up with a

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cosmopolitan man of the world of space. At the same time,

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they are a man who lives in two places in his

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native city and in

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all

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of us we know only nicknames, and in my

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memory it was also when I came to

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work at the beginning of six years at the Academy of

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Architecture from everyone’s memory

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there were these processes when the most

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outstanding Ukrainian Architects

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were called on the carpet and called the abyss

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cosmopolitans And they said: You forgot about

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your

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homeland, who feeds you, but you look at the

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world, you use the Western movement and everything

00:23:38

else, every time there is an attempt

00:23:41

of people to go beyond the boundaries of their society

00:23:45

to look at the world and

00:23:48

say that

00:23:50

you can’t live in peace, I use

00:23:54

the word peace here in some agreement. Uh-huh,

00:23:58

if you preach only

00:24:02

your own and think that there should be only

00:24:05

your own, everything else is someone

00:24:06

else’s only my model is correct

00:24:10

only I see the world correctly And then

00:24:13

war is an inevitable consequence and

00:24:18

constant consequence But let

00:24:21

us assume that there are many approaches,

00:24:26

many

00:24:29

visions, and your one

00:24:32

of these turns out to be almost

00:24:37

insurmountable at the

00:24:38

level of education, for example, now let’s get

00:24:43

to this issue because

00:24:45

this is a very significant

00:24:48

issue, just today we talked with

00:24:51

another

00:24:56

participant, so

00:25:00

probably this kind of thinking

00:25:03

is underway in intelligence but in in which

00:25:07

Serzha spoke about But if even 20 years ago

00:25:19

this sphere splashes out even crumbs from this, now and

00:25:26

then I don’t even discuss transportation

00:25:29

because it’s simply not interesting

00:25:31

to discuss but public discussions are

00:25:33

public

00:25:35

Reflections on the level of humanity or

00:25:39

even the global world

00:25:42

has practically disappeared, we

00:25:44

discussed there are

00:25:46

some dominant topics for which

00:25:49

grants are allocated for research

00:25:53

organizations

00:25:55

gender

00:25:56

democracy Well,

00:25:58

there is some very narrow set and, in

00:26:03

principle, when we

00:26:05

talked with

00:26:07

Dutch educators, we

00:26:10

asked what kind of scientific interest

00:26:13

you are pursuing. What scientific interests do

00:26:15

we have? Grants This is our scientific

00:26:18

interest Is there anything interesting to you? Well,

00:26:21

what’s written here means that the

00:26:26

interest in

00:26:30

fundamental humanities research has gone away;

00:26:32

in general, applied

00:26:35

grant

00:26:37

developments in intelligence services are probably there, but

00:26:39

they have closed there; international

00:26:44

platforms have simply completely curtailed themselves into

00:26:46

servicing those or other doctrines And

00:26:50

between the doctrine of dialogue about there

00:26:56

is no very interesting what

00:26:58

happens exactly at that moment when

00:26:59

humanity, well, for the first time in its

00:27:01

history, it has a common information

00:27:03

space when you can, well, actually,

00:27:05

convey everything you

00:27:07

want instantly, not Yur, you understand.

00:27:10

Pushenko is right there. what is research in

00:27:15

fundamental subjects, which is,

00:27:18

in particular, the architecture that we are

00:27:21

talking about, and how with nuclear

00:27:26

physics you can make

00:27:29

a bomb, you can make a thermonuclear reactor there,

00:27:33

and so on. This is what can be

00:27:38

controlled, this is what with the help of which they are

00:27:42

either already controlling or will

00:27:44

control

00:27:45

tomorrow Therefore, these Yes, closed intelligence services are

00:27:49

hiding this information. And in

00:27:51

research, practically no one

00:27:53

speaks about socio-systems, only

00:27:56

a few speak. Well, you are such a subtle intelligence intelligence is

00:28:01

doing this. But not in order to

00:28:04

unite people, but in order to take a

00:28:07

certain place, a managerial position, a

00:28:10

managerial position. and not just a

00:28:13

controlling position, but a metaposition.

00:28:16

Yes And this is the difference. Why, for

00:28:19

example, can we afford to

00:28:22

talk about this quite calmly and openly

00:28:24

because we do not pretend to be meta?

00:28:28

Today with

00:28:29

Vitaly Kulik we made an

00:28:31

inventory of

00:28:33

prostitutes or otherwise were in focus

00:28:37

A thinner Agamben

00:28:40

Chomsky

00:28:41

already tired habermas and so on and so on

00:28:45

tired har Well, very Ustasha

00:28:48

very

00:28:50

tired and even mentioned the dead with a kind word

00:28:54

and

00:28:56

further Who could today Well, support

00:28:59

this conversation and for now Well, sorry we didn’t

00:29:02

see anyone no wait we remembered

00:29:05

the appetite in relation some aspects of

00:29:08

dadad and, in my opinion, everything and everything Well, they

00:29:12

remembered Bauman with a kind word Posko It

00:29:15

was Well, well, he died early Here we are from

00:29:18

Baum, yes Well, I can still

00:29:21

slightly

00:29:23

disagree Here about the west and east Jura I have

00:29:26

already

00:29:27

touched on there are several works in which

00:29:32

they are trying to establish mutual

00:29:35

understanding between the Eastern and

00:29:39

Western Well, the world uses the word, there is

00:29:44

Grigorieva’s book Logos and Tao and there is an

00:29:48

absolutely amazing French

00:29:54

book

00:29:56

Koiva the

00:29:58

image has no form with the subtitle

00:30:01

experience

00:30:04

of deontology this is an attempt to somehow

00:30:07

understand and reconcile because that it

00:30:11

cannot be further that these two worlds live without

00:30:17

intersecting or an attempt to

00:30:21

dominate the world begins. One way from the point of view of

00:30:26

China is globalization, which began

00:30:30

with the programs of the American

00:30:34

phys, the creation of mass culture,

00:30:37

mass media, and so on, to

00:30:39

make the global world through this. And the question

00:30:43

how to understand how to correlate the main thing How to

00:30:46

leave it

00:30:48

different, do not crush Eastern thinking, do not

00:30:53

destroy

00:30:56

Western thinking, the Muslim world, understand

00:31:00

now, when

00:31:01

work has begun, understanding that, for

00:31:05

example, it is necessary to build relationships with nature,

00:31:10

uh, dialogues

00:31:12

are conditional and we will

00:31:14

not defeat nature. It turned out that those

00:31:18

peoples that We considered primitive

00:31:21

there, Mauri or Indians, there are

00:31:25

excellent developed theories and practices of

00:31:28

this matter which we simply did not pay

00:31:32

attention to, destroying together with these

00:31:34

peoples, and speaking in

00:31:38

economic language, economically beneficial

00:31:41

practices, events with nature with others, and so on

00:31:45

and so forth. This is a very important

00:31:47

point,

00:31:49

we talk a lot philosophy of

00:31:55

ideology also touches upon the issues of

00:31:58

economics Yes, speaking of the fact that such

00:32:02

approaches

00:32:04

allow, well, to activate the economy,

00:32:07

and by the word assets I mean

00:32:10

not acceleration, not acceleration, but how does

00:32:13

System Of National Accounts interpret it

00:32:16

as a container for future benefits? And this is the

00:32:21

definition of assets that Despite the

00:32:24

fact that this is a new definition and

00:32:27

we don’t

00:32:30

use it at all, that is, we are trying to get more and more new resources out of

00:32:33

this

00:32:35

diversity

00:32:36

indirectly,

00:32:49

that is,

00:32:53

practically meso approaches allow us, among

00:32:57

other things, to create an economy that

00:33:00

constantly generated new assets and

00:33:03

showed new assets which

00:33:05

could be found through various resources now

00:33:09

I am

00:33:10

also mentioned in this book in

00:33:13

the addition and we have already mentioned today 2

00:33:17

years

00:33:19

ago in Riga we held a meeting with our

00:33:22

desks

00:33:28

on the topic of peace after this

00:33:33

war riss - This is one of the most

00:33:36

intellectual magazines in European

00:33:40

A then at the beginning of

00:33:44

the war, well, the vast majority of

00:33:47

participants from different countries were

00:33:50

Israel and Finland and Lithuania and who

00:33:54

else was there from Latvia. Well, from Latvia,

00:34:01

naturally, most of the participants

00:34:04

said the war would end with the victory of

00:34:06

Ukraine. This means that we

00:34:09

will destroy Russia and continue to live as we

00:34:13

lived, the main thing is to destroy

00:34:16

Russia and then we will return to the

00:34:20

fact that, well, to the world architecture

00:34:24

that was today, it is obvious that this is

00:34:28

simply impossible, it’s generally

00:34:31

impossible about the UN. I won’t even

00:34:35

talk now on this topic, so much has been said

00:34:37

that but NATO and the European Union have now started to

00:34:42

move They can no longer remain

00:34:45

as they were before the war,

00:34:49

and we will now try to raise

00:34:52

this question once again, turning to the question of how we

00:34:57

see the structure of the world after this war,

00:35:01

we are not saying that the wars in this

00:35:03

war will end and there will never be them again,

00:35:05

but what should happen to the world and

00:35:09

here the question of humanity or

00:35:12

the view of humanity the view becomes

00:35:17

such a basic support with which you can

00:35:22

talk about it, since not only

00:35:25

military security is

00:35:27

now a danger from

00:35:29

artificial intelligence, which we

00:35:31

talked about, and we talked a lot about the World Cup and

00:35:36

received confirmation from all

00:35:38

countries this is a sharp degradation of thinking

00:35:42

in general in

00:35:44

society in societies And not only we

00:35:47

say to ourselves, we discussed this in France

00:35:52

in

00:35:53

Latvia in Holland in America, the

00:35:57

gradation of thinking, especially

00:36:01

humanitarian, this has become a common

00:36:03

problem

00:36:06

here in most comments to our

00:36:10

speeches and the whole question is who are you

00:36:14

who are you that you raise the question

00:36:17

of

00:36:18

humanity very often

00:36:25

a metaphor

00:36:28

What should you think about this somewhere

00:36:32

high and Ukraine of which for me this is the

00:36:35

most striking manifestation that’s when

00:36:38

they tell me this that’s what they

00:36:41

call Ukrainian artiness that’s

00:36:45

our

00:36:48

we We can’t imagine that

00:36:51

something fundamentally new and different could begin here in Ukraine that does

00:36:57

n’t coincide with what was written in the

00:37:00

West. But you already asked this question.

00:37:03

If there is something like that in the West. Well,

00:37:05

that means it. And if it doesn’t. Well, that means

00:37:08

it’s the local crazy people. and the fact that in

00:37:10

the West it simply died, as if

00:37:13

space, to some extent, they

00:37:15

retain pieces of the same appetite

00:37:17

about not domination a lot and about

00:37:21

organization, there are books,

00:37:23

everything arises,

00:37:25

but the very system of organizing the education of

00:37:30

science and all this simply

00:37:32

destroys, see here the audience asked a

00:37:35

question. I think it’s correct, so

00:37:37

one of the spectators wrote Anatoly

00:37:39

Kuzmenko, the guests discuss what the

00:37:41

audience doesn’t know in the book. What because how can you

00:37:43

understand what they are talking about? What are they talking about and conduct a

00:37:46

reasonable dialogue even if the structure of the

00:37:47

book was announced to me? I think maybe it

00:37:49

has the point is

00:37:50

really to briefly

00:37:52

go through the structure of the book, yes, that

00:37:55

is, Well then and Co. it won’t make it any easier for the viewer

00:37:58

then and it’s

00:38:00

also necessary to comment on the titles alone. The book

00:38:02

begins with two important

00:38:05

works, the first manifesto of all

00:38:07

mankind, which

00:38:09

is written in a discourse, as it were

00:38:13

And also

00:38:16

philosophical and here is the first section, the

00:38:19

basis of the condition of the event. We tried to

00:38:21

move away from all kinds of philosophy and

00:38:24

think as if there were no traditions,

00:38:27

but

00:38:28

only the entry of anyone. Well,

00:38:31

conditionally, any creature, in particular a

00:38:34

human being, into an event, that is,

00:38:37

yes, into the

00:38:39

relationship of living with living, yes, or

00:38:41

being with being and in this sense, as if

00:38:47

such a loop could make such a turn And

00:38:51

then there seem to be

00:38:54

attempts to do this from the point of view of how we

00:38:58

see it as a possibility and here it’s as if the language is

00:39:01

already as

00:39:04

diverse as possible, what is offered and that’s

00:39:07

how if it’s not so then, as Yura

00:39:10

Chudnovsky says, and the model went into the architecture

00:39:13

of humanity, then we discuss the question of

00:39:16

why exactly this way and show what is there.

00:39:18

Multiple visions, approaches, concepts of

00:39:22

all this, then Yura Chudnovsky said

00:39:26

that it’s very boring, we need to turn this thing around

00:39:29

a little and made an order

00:39:33

to Vladimir

00:39:34

African Well Nov’s order for Vladimir

00:39:37

Afrikanovich they were sitting next to each other at the table But

00:39:39

he made an order for him right at the table And

00:39:42

let’s make it for us and Vladimir

00:39:46

Afrikanovich for

00:39:48

months we’ve been making

00:39:50

sausage for months, it’s very exciting for us to eat the

00:39:52

sausage

00:39:55

and we decided to put it in the book

00:39:57

because it turned out that this is a

00:40:00

different language, a

00:40:02

different word vision phrase and it

00:40:07

seems to unfold all this in a somewhat

00:40:10

spontaneous manner, I don’t even say style

00:40:12

there or or, as it were, in a spontaneous

00:40:16

manner and then we invited other

00:40:20

people to try to take a look at all this and,

00:40:23

as if from the outside,

00:40:25

knock something on the top of our heads here Alexandra Sergienko

00:40:28

Natalya Kondor perminova Alexander Letov

00:40:30

it was such an attempt Take a look at the fact

00:40:32

that Sergei Konsky is at the beginning It’s just that

00:40:35

we are

00:40:37

landing Yes, the ambassador of Japan He,

00:40:39

by the way, is also a participant in this book, and

00:40:42

then Well, that’s the first part Well,

00:40:44

or rather, the first edition ends, but

00:40:47

here already the second edition is being published along with

00:40:49

addition one and addition two, and

00:40:52

now in addition one we have expanded the

00:40:56

Conversation in the

00:40:58

form of a cycle about responsibility and it

00:41:02

has been formalized Well, Nikitin Chudnovsky’s bbshka

00:41:07

decided to add a few more

00:41:10

touches of such distance Yes, as we

00:41:13

as we see from this distance what

00:41:16

they did to the book or what is missing and

00:41:18

they made two more additions and this is

00:41:21

what the book actually consists of. That is, it seems to

00:41:24

have some structure

00:41:27

that can be said to be Well, parallel,

00:41:29

sequential It has different

00:41:31

views Yes, visions, different languages and even

00:41:36

different time shifts because there are

00:41:38

both would be the basic part of our knowledge a year

00:41:40

before the war and the Addition is our vision

00:41:43

after 2 years of the war, this is

00:41:46

approximately the structure that I’m

00:41:48

wrong, well, you didn’t say about the special language of

00:41:53

Taras, which was realized here for everyone, a

00:41:56

special language is not

00:41:59

Well, especially yes And especially, well, I I would say

00:42:05

that in my opinion it is very close to the

00:42:08

parable form, yes, I didn’t say yes And this is

00:42:13

also very important

00:42:15

because poetry and parables, in general, they do not

00:42:18

contradict each other, but the parable

00:42:20

form has its own differences And yes, about its own

00:42:23

stich didn’t say Well, by the way, yes

00:42:28

Well, here is this Aspect Well, for me it turned out to be

00:42:33

very

00:42:34

important in my personal evolution, so to speak,

00:42:38

I started as a

00:42:43

scientific theorist,

00:42:46

Doctor of

00:42:47

Methodology, but at some

00:42:51

point when

00:42:55

I had a big discrepancy between what

00:42:59

I was taught, what I thought, what I published

00:43:03

what others wrote and how I began

00:43:06

to feel the

00:43:08

world, it turned out that there was

00:43:12

a gap from How I was taught to work with

00:43:17

large Definitely, I

00:43:19

really spent many years working on

00:43:21

the methodology of logic diagrams and so on,

00:43:26

how I saw that the world had become fluid,

00:43:31

fast, something that what was previously thought clearly

00:43:35

became, uh, vague And then I

00:43:40

realized that it is necessary to change the language, that it is

00:43:43

necessary not only to change the language, but to

00:43:47

somehow feel a new

00:43:49

image, this is the image of the whole. This

00:43:52

humanity is a different image,

00:43:56

because as it turned out, I later looked at

00:43:59

Heidegger at the end of his life closer began

00:44:03

to say that poetry lies at the foundation,

00:44:07

now I read and listened to

00:44:09

Cherednichenko’s lecture about the brain of the baroque brain where

00:44:12

she says first everything appears in

00:44:15

art only then philosophy and Science

00:44:19

master it and therefore when in relation to

00:44:25

this they began to deal with

00:44:27

uncertainty demand Give recipes

00:44:31

Speak

00:44:33

Clearly Let's be certain, this is a

00:44:36

radical contradiction with the fact

00:44:40

that not only we are probably forming a

00:44:43

different image, another image of humanity in

00:44:47

the world of our existence, which does not coincide

00:44:51

with the language And the idea of what was

00:44:55

before, it also has the right, it also

00:44:59

remains But the question is how to

00:45:02

relate this And therefore these are the

00:45:04

questions people don’t understand. How can you

00:45:08

talk about the

00:45:10

uncertain? For them it’s scary; for

00:45:12

them it’s incomprehensible and they demand it. Here you are in a

00:45:16

simple way.

00:45:17

Clearly.

00:45:21

Tell me, and a very important point is that

00:45:26

before we started writing this, we

00:45:30

tried these approaches through the

00:45:34

creation of practical as they like to say, a

00:45:38

whole series of all sorts of practical cases,

00:45:42

now I’ll switch to obscene language that is

00:45:45

not typical for me, but having

00:45:47

created and developed based on

00:45:51

these approaches,

00:45:52

models of the germination of ecosystems

00:45:56

and creation in different areas

00:46:00

And a whole series of all sorts of approaches, that is, the

00:46:03

fork came from the creation of new forms

00:46:06

weapons

00:46:07

e before the

00:46:10

creation of some financial

00:46:12

instruments and mechanisms and so on and

00:46:14

so on Some of which

00:46:17

are now already in practice

00:46:20

Unfortunately, some in particular with

00:46:23

regard to ki systems it was in the field of

00:46:29

health care the war interrupted work on

00:46:32

updating But others systems work

00:46:36

and give life Well, I once

00:46:42

participated in large projects and work

00:46:45

to try to transform the Soviet

00:46:50

Union and we were faced with the fact

00:46:54

that

00:46:58

it was impossible to do anything, individual people

00:47:02

at the ministerial level there, members of the Central Committee

00:47:06

understood what you were talking about with them, but the

00:47:13

organization machine itself did this was impossible and

00:47:16

then we realized that the only way for us

00:47:19

was to create a new generation of

00:47:23

people in a

00:47:24

cat-

00:47:26

friends

00:47:27

organization and that it is

00:47:30

education in the broad sense of the word

00:47:33

and not

00:47:34

training that is what can give birth to a

00:47:37

new society and I have been doing this

00:47:42

since the eighties and here I have Over the

00:47:47

past 15 years, three books have been published, one

00:47:51

was called the idea of education, the other is the essence of

00:47:53

education, but today

00:47:56

the printing house has turned out to be the wisdom of the osvita, which is

00:48:00

already Ukrainian, and there there is a clear

00:48:04

evolution of means and visions from the

00:48:09

proposals of some specific

00:48:11

concepts of concepts to the understanding that the

00:48:17

most important thing is plurality and

00:48:20

possibility work with

00:48:24

a lot of

00:48:26

knowledge, not on there information, but on working with

00:48:31

our forms of perception of the world

00:48:35

by consciousness and these are quite practical things,

00:48:38

they are connected with the creation of new educational

00:48:41

institutions with programs with courses and so

00:48:44

on. And we have several such

00:48:48

lines because we work at all

00:48:52

levels this is very

00:48:54

important for the highest globally general

00:48:58

understanding of the

00:49:01

structure of the world, the relationships of the

00:49:04

cosmos, to the level of, say, the Constitution of the

00:49:09

organization of society, to the level of the

00:49:14

organization of medicine, a new

00:49:17

representation of business processes of this

00:49:20

very thing, and ending with the level of the creation of

00:49:23

specific

00:49:24

organized clubs of intellectual

00:49:29

circles. Our favorite word in all this

00:49:32

sleep was not uttered by

00:49:36

the personalities.

00:49:39

this in our dictionary is called

00:49:49

personalites not

00:49:53

structure this is both events like this through

00:49:57

a line event event educational

00:50:00

event where the basis of this

00:50:06

is the movement of people in the direction of

00:50:09

themselves and their

00:50:11

understanding in which there is no program for

00:50:14

the transfer of knowledge, here you learn First second

00:50:18

third there are no exams

00:50:20

Nothing people move towards their understanding

00:50:23

Grow and they create for

00:50:27

come and go when they

00:50:31

consider this problem solved or solved for a while,

00:50:34

then sometimes

00:50:37

they return

00:50:38

personal research

00:50:41

project research

00:50:43

educational

00:50:45

line Well, this is Separate Well, here it

00:50:49

is,

00:50:54

which I will present this book and

00:50:59

talk about how I see That

00:51:02

education is not a person for the corporation

00:51:06

for the country and a person for humanity and a

00:51:10

person for himself Yeah, here Datsyuk says

00:51:14

how this League can be bought, well,

00:51:17

firstly,

00:51:18

on my cart I will place an advertisement,

00:51:22

that is, infrastructure. Especially for those

00:51:23

who are far away because the people of Kiev

00:51:26

can here come to us as if there

00:51:28

We are here with

00:51:31

connections not in Kiev For them, of course, it will be

00:51:33

more difficult In short, I will

00:51:36

have a Cry in my cart and there I will sort of orient

00:51:39

the cart in the description for the air on both the first and

00:51:43

second channels, by the way, it will be possible in

00:51:45

our on air, too, to make a presentation

00:51:47

of your book, then, well, in short,

00:51:49

let’s talk about it, let’s solve it, in

00:51:52

short, here was another

00:51:56

interesting question for a

00:51:58

second

00:52:00

while Now for a second, just on

00:52:03

two

00:52:04

channels Yes, here are

00:52:07

the authors Anatoly Kuzmenko, the authors

00:52:10

who wrote this book modeled

00:52:11

architecture based on an understanding of the

00:52:13

basic philosophical question of what

00:52:15

comes first spirit or matter or or

00:52:17

duality, what is the basis of

00:52:21

fashion, the first answer is no,

00:52:27

that is, to the first part of the statement No, they were

00:52:30

not

00:52:32

modeled in this

00:52:35

opposition, and then How to answer the

00:52:38

question what comes first if we did

00:52:41

not use these entertainments at all, so

00:52:44

this is the answer in this language of us you can

00:52:46

easily call it a manican Well, whoever

00:52:49

likes it we distinguish between the essence is revealed and

00:52:53

manifested nori one of them is

00:52:56

primary What is the target stream our

00:52:59

restless asks What is the target

00:53:01

audience of this book or rather who has seen is

00:53:03

missing should be created read

00:53:06

this book all cysts should no one

00:53:08

should not should no one who can

00:53:12

that answer is also

00:53:14

the answer so uh so by education I

00:53:18

won’t ask the question because we will

00:53:19

separately just make a broadcast with Nikitin

00:53:21

because we will now go into this well

00:53:25

such Blue Dali

00:53:27

that you

00:53:33

can sew it in time differs in that

00:53:35

the methodology has gone to the masses, therefore the language

00:53:37

cannot be simplified in any way, it must

00:53:39

simply be expanded, the use of

00:53:41

new thinking for general use

00:53:42

Well, in principle, this is what you are saying,

00:53:45

more than that, not only languages are even more

00:53:49

subtle, we

00:53:54

understand

00:53:55

strict regulations, language regulations

00:53:59

when not always you can express your thoughts and

00:54:01

agree we have come to an

00:54:04

understanding of liquid grammar or fluid

00:54:07

grammar we are constantly renegotiating

00:54:11

meanings and ways of expressing them and in

00:54:15

this sense we are moving both in meanings and

00:54:19

in grammar in the grammar itself

00:54:22

Frozen grammar it and the cape

00:54:26

locks Uh-huh problematic question of

00:54:29

artificial intelligence and influence on

00:54:31

humanity Is it perhaps worth

00:54:32

inviting both as co-authors of the next

00:54:35

edition? We had an idea to talk about this

00:54:39

and I hope one of the next

00:54:43

cycles. It’s just that when we plan cycles we

00:54:47

have different folders. Yes, there was one

00:54:49

folder to go along the path of what already

00:54:52

appeared during the war, artificial

00:54:53

intelligence was one of the Well, attempts to

00:54:55

go beyond this for now we put it aside, that

00:54:58

is, a folder on the table but so far we

00:55:00

haven’t done a loop on it, but the direct answer to this

00:55:02

question is Yes, in the future we’ll do a whole cycle,

00:55:06

the problem is completely different

00:55:08

Artificial intelligence has been around for a

00:55:11

long time, influences and participates. We just

00:55:15

didn’t see it, but now, when a

00:55:18

technological outbreak occurred, we suddenly paid

00:55:22

attention to it. Well, I would

00:55:32

add conspiracy

00:55:35

theories to this topic of artificial intelligence, separated by commas, because behind each of these

00:55:38

conspiracy visions there is an

00:55:41

idea of the world which in

00:55:45

itself is very interesting And if we are already

00:55:48

talking about the fact that there are great

00:55:50

civilizational

00:55:56

views, they also create their own islands and

00:56:01

they also need to be seen and I would

00:56:03

take them very seriously, not getting carried away by

00:56:06

any one of them, but seeing this one a

00:56:09

large polyphonic map of large

00:56:12

tectonic plates

00:56:13

and marginal yet problematic

00:56:18

islands conspiracy theorists

00:56:21

views Aliens Lome I'm talking about all these

00:56:26

uh things artificial intelligence bypassing

00:56:29

humanity contacted the aliens and

00:56:32

told us The Earth is

00:56:34

flat what then is the basis of the model no

00:56:37

no well it won’t calm down Anatoly Kuzka yes And

00:56:40

who said that this is a model Uh-huh this book is

00:56:43

not a model Uh-huh Sergei Arkadyevich endured

00:56:46

many battles among us

00:56:49

regarding the word model in relation to and

00:56:52

architecture is not a model

00:56:54

architecture

00:56:57

aka Dear philosopher If you want

00:56:59

at least educated people to understand you,

00:57:01

just explain the essence we

00:57:03

will not write on our fingers, today we only

00:57:07

mentioned our old acquaintance and

00:57:10

friend Vladimir Afrikan Oleg Igorevich

00:57:14

Geni Sarah, who at each lecture

00:57:17

answered such questions as

00:57:19

follows: the problem of understanding - This is not

00:57:21

the problem of the speaker, this is the problem of the

00:57:23

listener.

00:57:25

If he wants to get into Contact or understands

00:57:30

himself, understanding a process More complex

00:57:33

than the process

00:57:35

of thinking than the process of transmission than

00:57:38

the process, and understanding requires direct

00:57:42

interaction Well, now we

00:57:45

will have direct interaction in the second

00:57:46

hall, here we have several dozen

00:57:49

people gathered to

00:57:51

gather and gather, I can hear from their

00:57:55

energy in 23 on 2 I collected them, the

00:57:59

readers have already pulled up the preheated

00:58:02

preheated switch on to do from the hall of that

00:58:06

as if there Yes, let’s go communicate, so to

00:58:09

speak, sleep with those who are not scared adj

00:58:13

And this is yours Yes, yours take it Yes, that

00:58:16

’s why friends, I’m on my cart on the

00:58:19

cart who hasn’t subscribed then

00:58:20

subscribe, you see, I’ll use any reason

00:58:22

to somehow increase

00:58:24

the number Use Use Yes, in

00:58:27

the cart I’ll advertise on Facebook too

00:58:29

and, in fact, we’ll start sowing

00:58:37

seeds too. We’ll think about it, but in

00:58:41

Ukraine we’ll definitely be able to transfer it to your relatives there,

00:58:42

in any case.

00:58:44

I don’t see any problems with Novaya Pochta, so that’s

00:58:49

all for now,

00:58:50

uh, thanks to our philosophers, or you

00:58:54

can’t not be a philosopher, not a philo, even I’m no longer a

00:58:58

philosopher Oh, that’s all, I’ll stop

00:59:01

calling Datsyuk a philosopher, but who are you?

00:59:04

We are always It’s just that we are

00:59:07

just thinking people, usually it’s not a

00:59:10

profession

00:59:12

that thinking, talking people

00:59:17

Yes, that’s why thank you for watching us

00:59:20

Thanks to all the thinking people who are from

00:59:22

the front, even people are watching So a

00:59:24

huge thank you to those people who are

00:59:26

watching from the front and for what they do,

00:59:28

we will try and And that means delivering this

00:59:31

book to you and that’s where we

00:59:35

end Thanks to Sergei dotku

00:59:37

Vladimir Nikitin Yuri Chernovsky and

00:59:40

Taras at the bebeshka and see you again

00:59:43

on our air Soon soon will be given will All

00:59:53

bye Y

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