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our guest among Zhirnov, I know and will be00:00:05
Mr. Zhirnov Hello, you00:00:07
appear so often in our information00:00:09
space that mm Perhaps I00:00:12
will introduce you firstly as a publicist00:00:14
and a writer because everyone is00:00:15
talking more about you as a former Soviet00:00:17
intelligence officer, but today I would like to00:00:21
introduce you specifically as a publicist,00:00:23
because it seems to me that at this time,00:00:26
the post of Truth that We are experiencing, your00:00:29
task now, given your ability00:00:32
to accumulate your experience and knowledge, is00:00:35
to talk about a model of the future world,00:00:38
when we see the Tallinn Forum00:00:41
just recently ended00:00:43
Russian opposition, this00:00:45
anti-war forum And what are your00:00:48
impressions? Do you see that these people are00:00:51
capable of forming a future model of00:00:53
modern Russia that will stop00:00:55
blackmailing and terrorizing the world?00:00:58
Let's00:00:59
Yulia Hello to all our viewers Thank you00:01:02
for the presentation00:01:05
This is a very difficult question This is an extremely00:01:08
difficult question because it is completely00:01:10
old philosophical And not only00:01:13
philosophically but a political and00:01:15
managerial question when a00:01:19
fairly large00:01:22
number of the population left Russia there, which could be00:01:23
considered millions abroad after the00:01:26
Bolshevik coup in 17, yes And00:01:30
when it means that00:01:31
inside the Soviet Union and the Russian00:01:35
Federation there is one society and outside00:01:38
there were other people who there were ideas00:01:42
that they would come back and that they00:01:45
would try, perhaps, to overthrow00:01:48
this society00:01:53
and try to return to00:01:59
pre-revolutionary Russia, so we know that it00:02:02
all ended in shambles, that00:02:06
of course there were some, well, I know that,00:02:10
of course, not on our own, so to speak personal00:02:13
life in the Soviet Union, but simply from00:02:16
films and books, that is, at that time00:02:18
they showed a lot of all sorts of00:02:20
war and pre-war revolutionary00:02:22
films, and that means the classic00:02:26
classic films in this sense00:02:28
is the Crown of the Russian Empire where00:02:30
we see means Paris in which00:02:32
all those who previously fought with00:02:36
Bolsheviks, plus security officers come there to00:02:39
muddy the waters. And there they are, all00:02:43
Russian friends are fighting, they can’t come to an agreement, which00:02:46
means there are humorous precedents for the00:02:50
post of emperor, and so on and so forth,00:02:52
all of us from Moscow trying00:02:56
to show that in general this whole thing and there we00:02:58
were left alone clowns there are no serious00:03:00
people there And no serious00:03:04
things They will not be able to offer the00:03:07
Russian former empire to the Soviet00:03:11
Union and here people are already00:03:13
building, so to speak, a completely new new country, a00:03:17
new society, and there they live in00:03:20
some kind of dreams, they live in the past and00:03:23
cannot they themselves agreed with each other,00:03:25
which in principle was true because00:03:28
they really could not agree on00:03:31
any position of the Russian, these are the00:03:33
old, old, old problems of the Russian00:03:35
opposition. It can never00:03:37
agree to fight together against the00:03:40
common enemy. That’s the majority of people00:03:43
who went abroad in particular.00:03:46
only then did he already know specifically00:03:49
within France00:03:52
all those who left, which means the first00:03:55
generation of those who left It still lived in00:03:58
the past and with some dreams, and the second00:04:00
generation It didn’t even00:04:01
bother with anything, it’s just because she00:04:04
was born or was born there quite on the00:04:07
territory of France or quite quickly00:04:10
acquired French citizenship, they already00:04:12
felt like they were French. Yes, even if they had00:04:15
Russian roots, but they were French, the third00:04:18
generation didn’t even speak Russian at all,00:04:19
they still had some00:04:22
nesting dolls somewhere and some00:04:25
icons. So they felt like they were just00:04:28
French and even... Russians were no00:04:31
longer spoken by the majority in the third generation,00:04:33
so this was the00:04:34
historical story with the revolution of the seventeenth00:04:37
year, and I never thought that I myself00:04:41
would find myself in such a situation in the same00:04:43
France in the same00:04:45
Paris in the emigrants where they will also be00:04:48
now there are dozens of organizations there00:04:50
that by themselves cannot00:04:53
agree anywhere, that are trying to00:04:56
unite but it doesn’t work out,00:04:58
well, lately. So in this00:05:01
opposition they have already mentioned the Stalinist00:05:03
forum, this is not the first, not the first00:05:05
meeting, there have been00:05:08
several at least successful ones lately of such00:05:10
associations, at least in one00:05:12
place people gather,00:05:14
more or less trying to find some kind of00:05:17
common platform. Before this, there was a Berlin00:05:19
forum, there was a forum in Warsaw, where they even created00:05:23
some kind of coordination committee, that is, they00:05:25
sort of gathered all those people who00:05:29
I used to have over the last 20 years, they were elected00:05:32
somewhere, that is, either a deputy of00:05:34
the State Duma or were local00:05:37
elected officials of some kind and created00:05:42
this type of Congress of People's Deputies of the00:05:44
Russian Federation00:05:47
and are thinking about how to live on00:05:52
now the main problem is00:05:55
not even to get together, but to00:05:57
understand that there is where we are going and in what00:06:00
way we are going there because00:06:04
lately the main agrarian dividing00:06:07
line is that we are trying to overthrow Putin00:06:11
’s regime peacefully, which means through00:06:14
some kind of elections through Navalny’s mechanisms there,00:06:18
let’s say through00:06:20
the mechanisms vote for everyone except United00:06:24
Russia for anyone except United00:06:26
Russia or don’t go to the polls at all, that00:06:29
is, many, many different00:06:31
mechanisms have been proposed over the past 2400:06:33
years, none of these mechanisms actually00:06:36
worked in the Russian Federation, there00:06:39
are none and everything is faked. And in00:06:42
fact, most of the people from the00:06:44
internal opposition who participated00:06:47
in these elections they are only the00:06:49
legitimizers of these illegal elections00:06:52
and the re-election of the unfamiliar illegal00:06:55
same Putin is just a sparring00:06:58
in the form for Putin and recently00:07:01
the idea has appeared that in general we need to00:07:03
end with these children's toys00:07:05
chosen by supposedly elected officials and in00:07:09
fact we need to think about overthrowing00:07:10
Putin by armed means and00:07:14
even two formations appeared, which means that the RDK appeared,00:07:17
that is, the Russian00:07:20
Volunteer Corps, which is00:07:23
now fighting in Ukraine as part of the00:07:25
Ukrainian armed forces against Putin’s army, but at00:07:29
the same time which says that00:07:31
he thinks that after the war, after the00:07:35
victory of Ukraine, he is with weapons in in the hands of the00:07:39
Russian Federation, he will00:07:41
organize a revolution there and in order to00:07:44
prove the seriousness of his intentions, he has00:07:46
already moved on to some actions, in00:07:49
particular, he has begun to carry out raids already00:07:51
in the neighboring region of the00:07:54
Bryansk region, the Belgorod region00:07:58
Where Where In mainly Bryansk and the00:08:00
Belgorod region, he even00:08:04
manages to do some things there -small00:08:06
military operations, plus there is also00:08:11
an organization under the leadership of Ilya00:08:14
Ponomarev,00:08:15
which also suggests that it is00:08:18
a little different, meaning an00:08:22
organization that itself is00:08:24
not fighting right now, but it takes00:08:28
responsibility, for example, for all00:08:29
partisan movements on the territory of the00:08:31
Russian Federation, although she admits00:08:33
that this is a rather scattered movement,00:08:37
that in general they are not united in any00:08:40
collection center, and that this is00:08:42
even being done this way on purpose. Because if they00:08:45
were united, then the FSB would have00:08:48
reached them quite simply or faster. It would have been the00:08:52
Federal Security Service and00:08:55
in all of them they changed trains like this.00:08:58
Everyone in their own area, everyone00:09:00
somewhere is making00:09:03
Molotov cocktails, some are throwing military registration and enlistment offices,00:09:05
trying to interfere with the movement of trains. But00:09:09
if you don’t derail them, although this00:09:11
also happened. By the way, in the Bryansk region there00:09:13
was quite a serious disaster00:09:16
in railway Well, they say00:09:20
that last year there were more than00:09:24
6,380 incidents on the railway00:09:27
because they don’t have any explosives,00:09:30
but they can just come with a wrench00:09:32
somewhere in the middle of the forest or steppe00:09:36
to unscrew the rails and thus the00:09:40
freight train which is moving to the west of00:09:43
Ukraine to the front, failures of those military00:09:46
equipment and equipment with people. They will simply00:09:49
stop or go astray in this00:09:52
way, as00:09:54
if they are helping Ukraine’s fight at00:09:57
the front against the Russian Federation, this is the00:10:00
situation. Well, naturally, those people00:10:02
who are going to let’s say00:10:04
Stalin Berlin they do not share00:10:08
the opinion Ponomarev and00:10:13
the leaders of the Russian corps do00:10:17
not talk about the fact that no, no, there is no need to take00:10:20
arms in hand, and then there is Vyacheslav00:10:23
Maltsev, who also talks about the00:10:24
need to make a revolution with arms in hands,00:10:28
so sometimes it means someone00:10:31
joins this cause, at times they00:10:34
disconnect, that is in fact, what is happening is00:10:36
approximately what happened after00:10:38
the revolution, namely, reversals of vacillation and00:10:41
no one can agree on anything00:10:45
more or less00:10:46
on a single platform. No one can00:10:50
agree that Putin is the main liar and we00:10:53
must fight Putin first and then00:10:55
we’ll figure it out. What further or How can00:10:58
we further rebuild Russia and how to00:11:00
do it because well,00:11:03
some accusations begin, let’s say of the Russian00:11:05
volunteer corps, there00:11:06
really are people with a00:11:08
Nazi past, an00:11:11
imperial past and a nationalist00:11:13
past and even a present, and who do00:11:16
not hide it, respectively, people who00:11:18
consider themselves liberal democrats, they00:11:21
say what is the way for us with such people, that00:11:23
is, in fact, this is a very serious00:11:26
serious task and serious questions, and00:11:28
especially since we understand that inside00:11:30
Russia,00:11:31
everyone who could passively or00:11:36
slightly actively protest came out. It’s00:11:39
just that they were all imprisoned in the square;00:11:41
the legislation has been changed; now the00:11:45
legislation is extremely repressive there is an example when00:11:48
just a local deputy in St. Petersburg00:11:50
passed some kind of resolution and an article00:11:53
there immediately for 5 6 7 years, we know that00:11:56
Vladimirsky was imprisoned for 25 years and Yashin00:12:01
9 or 10, that is, it is clear that inside00:12:04
Russia repressions have reached a very high00:12:07
level And what to unite in such a00:12:11
huge country which is 17.5 million00:12:13
square kilometers where people are prohibited00:12:17
uh is a union can00:12:19
only be some kind of virtual some00:12:21
social networking groups But this is not a00:12:25
real revolution And that in reality the00:12:28
Russian people don’t give a damn Because that00:12:31
everyone is happy with the current state, as long as00:12:34
there is food in the refrigerator, as long as there is food in the feeder, it00:12:37
means there is bran in the barn, that means00:12:42
the Russians00:12:43
feed this bran,00:12:46
Solovyov Skabeeva watches TV and passively00:12:48
supports Putin, although we saw that on00:12:51
June 23-24 no one from the Russians came out to00:12:54
defend him00:12:57
in these waves of immigration00:13:00
you can write history, this is the Revolutionary00:13:02
wave until 17, then the migration00:13:05
wave of World War II And now you00:13:08
know these new immigrants. Yesterday00:13:11
I told journalists to Israeli00:13:13
communications journalists. He said that00:13:16
Israel they are called the00:13:18
immigration wave PPZh, in contrast to00:13:21
vmg. They all get residence permits there.00:13:23
PJ while Putin is alive That is,00:13:26
while Putin is alive they are in exile, as00:13:28
soon as something changes they are00:13:30
going to return to Russia But as a00:13:32
rule, everyone wants to ride in on a white horse00:13:33
and here you definitely noticed that the00:13:36
opposition does not have this unity and it is not clear which00:13:38
of them is Lenin Shushensky which of them is00:13:40
Switzerland because no00:13:43
one understands this model of the future Maltsev00:13:45
talks about a digital dictatorship but00:13:49
perhaps only I Ponomarev is the00:13:51
closest because he means00:13:53
by the way, unlike his colleagues, he, like00:13:55
Lenin, has an extensive network in the00:13:57
volunteer corps and that means00:13:59
some Agents of influence inside00:14:02
Russia because let’s not forget that00:14:04
he was a State Duma deputy who, by the way, did00:14:06
not vote for the annexation of Crimea, what does this00:14:09
mean? This is an immigration wave.00:14:12
Could it happen that they will all00:14:13
assimilate, remain abroad,00:14:16
things will turn out somehow... their destinies are different, well,00:14:19
let’s say there’s the same Diaghilev Yes, who they00:14:21
say there are Russian evenings and that’s00:14:23
Russian culture, but he also00:14:24
emigrated and a lot of00:14:27
intellectual people and the intellectual00:14:29
elite Yes, he would have immigrated and never00:14:32
returned, but in case of this non-00:14:34
return what are you you see00:14:36
the Russia of the future Because when we00:14:39
look at Margarita Simonyan, who00:14:42
speaks with a blue eye, says00:14:44
that nothing terrible will happen00:14:45
when we test nuclear weapons over00:14:47
Siberia, then But in general, a strange00:14:50
impression arises from And if this picture of00:14:53
the future is among the remaining Russians themselves00:14:56
inside Russia,00:14:57
I I doubt, of course, that it exists00:15:01
because most people, without actually00:15:03
bothering with these philosophical and00:15:05
deeply political questions, people00:15:08
simply survive, you simply try to build00:15:11
your life where it is in the00:15:14
conditions in which it00:15:16
occurs and when these00:15:18
conditions change, people do not put they don’t ask00:15:22
themselves the question: it is necessary to change the conditions, that00:15:24
is, this is something unacceptable for us, but00:15:26
basically they ask themselves the question:00:15:29
Will we be able to Survive and adapt to00:15:31
new conditions and it turns out that in00:15:34
most cases they can, yes,00:15:37
some degree of Freedom is narrowed, yes it is narrowed00:15:40
some someone there used to drive back and00:15:43
forth all day long Now they drive00:15:45
less and someone used to buy00:15:48
cars now they can’t buy a00:15:50
car someone bought an apartment can’t00:15:53
buy an apartment but at the same time00:15:54
nothing like a disaster but also the00:15:58
Russian Federation after all, it’s still not00:16:00
North Korea and Putin, by the way,00:16:02
is not a Dictator, has never been00:16:05
in the Russian Federation,00:16:08
strictly speaking, if Putin was a dictator,00:16:11
he wouldn’t have organized the plane00:16:13
crash Prigozhin’s ducks. He would have00:16:16
arrested them like Stalin, he would have organized a00:16:19
show trial and solemn00:16:20
military hangs. or shot him on00:16:22
Red Square, but Putin couldn’t do that,00:16:25
because by the way he met with them00:16:27
in the Kremlin because he was not a Dictator, but he understood00:16:30
that when some military people00:16:32
with weapons in their hands oppose him with something,00:16:35
he cannot00:16:36
resist here's what's next00:16:39
about those people who left. Well,00:16:43
let's not go far. Here in front of you sits a00:16:46
man who left in 2001 and00:16:49
was leaving. When I left in 2001, I, well,00:16:54
out of the corner of my ear somewhere on the edge of my brain, told00:16:57
myself that well, I'll sit there for a while00:17:00
and see what happens what will happen next, although I need to00:17:03
tell you the truth, I already understood then that00:17:07
it will be here for a long time that Putin is young, that Putin is00:17:10
ambitious And the most important thing is that I saw00:17:13
another thing that Putin is a butt trend, that00:17:18
Putin is not the most question of strength, this00:17:22
authoritarianism is a strong leader.00:17:25
He is actually not strong at all00:17:28
was not a leader, but he played a strong00:17:31
legitimized He played a strong hand and you00:17:34
know the request in fact, even not a00:17:36
forceful hand, there was a request even for00:17:38
just a normal sane00:17:40
person In power Because if you00:17:43
look at all our leaders00:17:45
starting there with the revolution of the seventeenth00:17:48
year Bolshevik coup of the00:17:50
seventeenth year, they are all somehow00:17:52
problematic, that is, Stalin had some kind of00:17:55
problems, which means beyond Khrushchev’s00:17:57
problems Brezhnev had no problems and Andropov00:18:01
was problematic at all Chernenko was not at all and00:18:03
it is not clear what they had there 11 months00:18:06
didn’t even last a year00:18:08
in life or drinking Yes, they00:18:13
all had more or less the00:18:17
most decent person, by00:18:20
the way, Brezhnev at the beginning. That’s00:18:22
because they had a triumvirate there, which means00:18:24
Brezhnev Kosygin Podgorny, they appeared to00:18:27
Khrushchev’s, so to speak, almost like a00:18:30
dictatorship, or at least there was00:18:32
voluntarism to Khrushchev’s one person00:18:34
So they said that we00:18:37
were restoring party democracy,00:18:39
then Brezhnev simply buried everyone and00:18:41
Kosagen and especially Podgornoye, but the00:18:45
very last period is of course there00:18:48
where Just a sick old man, a00:18:51
drunkard, everyone knew that he was an alcoholic, everyone knew00:18:54
that he was sick But about the fact00:18:56
that he was old Quite recently, I suddenly00:18:58
just stated such a00:19:02
psychological thing on my own when he was leaving,00:19:05
remember, it means December 99. He00:19:08
goes on TV and ate with his00:19:11
tongue saying that I’m tired, I’m tired, I’m00:19:14
leaving, at that moment he was 68 years old,00:19:18
what an old man he is 68 here I’m 62 years old And he00:19:23
was only 6 years older Putin is now00:19:26
71 years old, look how the cucumber is running,00:19:28
of course there’s cooking a sword, the nightingale says00:19:31
that he’s been there for three or four years,00:19:33
that he’ll die in two weeks And he has00:19:37
cancer out of the blue, but really00:19:39
the picture does not confirm this. So when00:19:42
Putin came young, in fact he00:19:46
got into the trend, not even strong hands, but00:19:49
just such a young, intelligible average00:19:54
without quirks. Yes, that means a person who,00:19:58
without a piece of paper, can still00:20:00
talk for a long time there is some kind of line00:20:02
he has he sits there for six hours on00:20:04
paper, we just understand that the question00:20:07
has been prepared, but nevertheless,00:20:11
from the point of view of talent and from the point00:20:14
of view of implementation,00:20:16
this is such a thing. It’s not easy and he00:20:19
can do it, it doesn’t work out. Well,00:20:21
then another question arises,00:20:23
Sergei where then is this00:20:26
archaic? Because if he gives the00:20:28
impression of being mobile, athletic,00:20:30
strong, I’m looking at ideas about the00:20:33
presidential company, it means there, well,00:20:35
it’s clear that with all the conventions of00:20:37
holding presidential elections in00:20:39
Russia, the00:20:40
next one is supposedly considered to00:20:43
have been accepted, although Peskov said yesterday that he was talking about00:20:45
it allegedly knows nothing, but supposedly00:20:47
Putin will announce his intention00:20:48
to run for a new presidential00:20:50
term in 2024, so this will happen00:20:53
During the exhibition of his achievements Well, the00:20:56
Kremlin means that for now it’s forming00:20:58
these mottos Yes, slogans with which he00:21:01
will go to this company Russia is a00:21:03
separate civilization a family of families for00:21:06
which traditional values are important and are00:21:08
attacked by enemies, but thanks to the consolidation00:21:10
of society they will not achieve anything, that is,00:21:13
these are completely archaic slogans and00:21:16
they are very strange in the 21st00:21:19
century, but not for the residents of00:21:21
Russia whom we saw by the way00:21:23
during the celebration of this day of the00:21:25
Reunification Day As Medvedevsky says00:21:27
on Russian lands, journalists asked00:21:29
a question to the participants of this festival And00:21:32
what cities were annexed by none of them00:21:35
could even name, that is, it all00:21:37
seems like some kind of people like00:21:40
decorations For all00:21:42
this festive decoration and then the00:21:46
question arises Why is Russia00:21:48
going to survive Yes, due to the00:21:50
lack of modern progressive00:21:52
technologies This is a policy of essentially a00:21:55
long war and absolute isolation, these are00:21:59
threats for modern man but00:22:01
not for Russia,00:22:02
you know Putin had two periods,00:22:06
he had an initial period when he00:22:08
came so young00:22:09
handsome, everything is fine, and then he00:22:15
said that I came for 8 years, I came00:22:18
for 8 years because there are two presidential00:22:20
terms. This is a huge period of time to00:22:22
implement programs and any politician00:22:25
manages to do this within this period if he00:22:27
works Seriously And then I will00:22:31
retire political or even in 2006,00:22:35
he said that I would go into the opposition and00:22:37
criticize the current government because of the00:22:39
position. But he was not going00:22:41
to stay for life, he was not going to00:22:44
stay there for more than 20 years and00:22:47
it all worked for him, he was extremely00:22:50
popular. By the way, I was surprised Why in00:22:53
2004 did he not hold normal00:22:55
elections, absolutely normal legal00:22:58
elections, he would have received 65% in his 65%00:23:00
absolutely00:23:02
without any tricks without anything, but you have to00:23:05
understand that Putin needs to be known, Putin00:23:07
needs to be known his psychology, he is generally00:23:10
afraid of the people. He is afraid of large masses of00:23:14
people and he completely ideologically for00:23:18
myself I don’t accept that some people decide00:23:20
his fate and therefore as soon as he sat down in00:23:23
this chair he00:23:24
began to falsify everything and he began to00:23:27
return everything to the scoop but not to the00:23:31
ideological scoop because he is not00:23:33
going to give up his status as a00:23:35
billionaire he is not going to00:23:36
give up state00:23:38
capitalism, he doesn’t need such a scoop, he’s00:23:40
not going to return to Leningrad00:23:43
until ’91, where there was nothing in00:23:46
the stores where he drove his00:23:48
Zaporozhets and so on, in this sense, he’s an00:23:50
absolutely hedonist, he’s absolutely Western,00:23:52
by the way, He’s always dressed in everything Western,00:23:55
he’s all He doesn’t have a single Western one,00:23:57
remember, did you ever see one like this00:24:02
in an old Soviet film00:24:03
from the sixties, I’m an investigator for00:24:06
Weiners, which means Vakhtang Kikabidze,00:24:09
who plays an investigator,00:24:11
so he’s asked a question. But there, the00:24:13
murdered man, maybe he’s a foreigner, why? Well,00:24:17
he has foreign clothes, huh? Kikabidze,00:24:19
such a Georgian, says, but we don’t have a00:24:22
single thread of Soviet either. So Putin00:24:24
also doesn’t have a single thread of Soviet. But00:24:27
then a problem happened, which means when00:24:31
Putin came into power and somewhere at the00:24:34
turn of the00:24:36
year 2007-2008, he made a decision for himself00:24:40
or for he was made a decision by a00:24:41
group of comrades He was told that no no00:24:44
Russia has fallen in love with you, you have00:24:48
fallen in love with the trend of this Russia and therefore we will00:24:52
not let you go anywhere and He liked00:24:54
not to go anywhere and then that means He00:24:57
imprisoned Medvedev thinking that Medvedev00:25:00
will be parsley What if the bear has a00:25:03
rating and there was even an intrigue about00:25:05
Putin being arrested or killed. And the00:25:08
bear Medvedev would go for a second00:25:10
term and that was Real real things00:25:12
Putin got scared then and when he00:25:14
returned in 2012 It was a completely00:25:16
different Putin Medvedev changed the00:25:18
Constitution Medvedev will pass extended the00:25:21
term of presidential rule 4 up to 6 years00:25:23
and beyond, Putin sat down in 2012 with the00:25:27
intention of never00:25:29
leaving the Kremlin anywhere again and his promise not to00:25:32
change. He even violated the Constitution himself. In00:25:34
2020, he changed the00:25:37
Constitution for himself. He reset all his four, in00:25:40
fact, five previous terms and00:25:42
said that I I’ll go to the sixth to the00:25:43
seventh, and that is, he can sit until00:25:46
2036, but then00:25:49
another problem happens:00:25:51
when he returned in the twelfth00:25:53
year, that is, until the eighth year, Russia00:25:56
became normal, it became a normal00:25:59
state, it had communication with the West, it00:26:02
reduced armaments and built an advanced00:26:05
country and tried to build, which means it was possible in the00:26:09
world world relations, and it00:26:13
succeeded Even under the bear, under Medvedev,00:26:16
these stories even appeared with00:26:18
some kind of nanotechnology from Skolkovo00:26:20
There and so on That is, she tried to00:26:22
puff out Russia’s cheeks by saying that we are trying to00:26:25
return to think about the future from that00:26:27
country of the future when Putin returned in the00:26:30
twelfth year,00:26:32
absolutely everything had changed for him and he began00:26:35
to build a closed state, and from00:26:39
then on the closure of the state began,00:26:40
constant with a narrowing of the framework. And as you00:26:45
correctly said, the current paradigm00:26:47
that is being proposed is the paradigm of an00:26:49
absolutely00:26:51
closed state that00:26:54
looks at the past and into itself,00:26:58
which closes itself the further the00:27:01
further from the outside world and which00:27:05
relies on itself and within00:27:09
itself, I would not say that this is a completely00:27:13
idiotic proposal.00:27:15
Yes, because Russia is a huge country.00:27:18
Russia is 17 million square00:27:20
kilometers, this is a huge population, this is00:27:24
very different ethnic groups and, strictly speaking, If00:27:28
you compare the United States of00:27:29
America there, then the United States developed most of00:27:34
its first period precisely as a00:27:37
closed country, that is, they stewed on themselves00:27:39
and since they were large and00:27:42
since their economy was developing, then,00:27:46
in principle, all this was successful and00:27:48
when they had already established themselves as a large00:27:51
economically developed power, when they00:27:53
began to think about becoming00:27:56
some kind of new empire there and owning our world,00:27:59
and even imposing their opinion on00:28:02
Russia, they realized that the most important thing00:28:07
was that the Soviet Union had an idea; the00:28:09
Soviet Union had a00:28:11
worldwide imperial ideology because the00:28:13
Soviet Union had a00:28:16
universal model. The Soviet Union offered00:28:19
any state to any country to build00:28:22
its Socialism or its communism00:28:25
according to the universal Soviet model and00:28:28
opposed the universal model of the00:28:31
United States of America and the00:28:33
Western world there, that is, the free world00:28:35
of individual entrepreneurship and00:28:36
so on, that’s when the Soviet00:28:39
Union collapsed In 1991, Russia tried to find a00:28:42
national idea for itself. And in fact, and the00:28:46
most important thing is that it did not find a00:28:47
national idea for itself.00:28:50
Moreover, it did not find national ideas00:28:52
that it could offer to the whole00:28:54
world. What it is now offering to the whole00:28:57
world is00:28:59
challenging the role of the United States. The States of00:29:03
America from the Western world as the leading00:29:07
powers that, so to speak, set the tone for the00:29:09
whole world and she says No, no, it’s impossible.00:29:12
This is a unipolar world that is00:29:14
oriented towards the West. So we00:29:17
are on this path, a multipolar world, but00:29:20
Russia is a dwarf in this multipolar world00:29:22
absolutely because that00:29:24
the only country that really00:29:26
infuriates in this multipolar view is China and00:29:30
even India which is there and even there00:29:32
Brazil which is the major00:29:35
countries of the Russian Federation Putin00:29:37
is an economic dwarf and he00:29:40
does not have any universal idea on00:29:43
which it could offer the world and00:29:45
therefore in the absence of a universal idea00:29:47
he only has to go through00:29:51
self-survival in conditions of isolation, which means that the00:29:55
problem for Putin is that00:29:59
Russia could potentially cause such00:30:01
isolation because she has everything. She00:30:03
has any ores, she has any gas,00:30:06
oil, and so on, if she started00:30:08
working in self-isolation, she could00:30:10
become just like the United States of00:30:12
America, a large industrial power00:30:13
and an agricultural power,00:30:16
feed itself, clothe itself,00:30:19
I don’t know for myself, produce00:30:21
some kind of consumer goods,00:30:23
there is no problem with that, another thing is that Putin00:30:25
actually is With all this, With all00:30:28
this talk, he built a banana00:30:31
Republic that lives, why, due to the fact00:30:34
that it sells00:30:36
its unprocessed raw materials on foreign00:30:40
markets, and from the money earned from00:30:45
selling these raw materials, it buys on foreign00:30:47
markets everything that it does not00:30:49
actually produce in Russia is trying00:30:52
to become a00:30:54
closed country, but at the same time does not00:30:57
know how to do anything without making money and lives00:31:00
completely dependent on foreign00:31:02
markets for the export of raw materials to00:31:05
earn money and for imports to00:31:07
buy everything that it itself cannot00:31:09
produce, that is, in fact, this is an00:31:11
absolutely flawed model that Putin00:31:14
suggests that the model is even00:31:17
false because he cannot00:31:20
admit to himself that in fact Russia00:31:22
cannot survive on its own if it even makes00:31:24
its missiles with which it is going to00:31:26
fight with NATO based on the00:31:29
components of this NATO country of all00:31:32
NATO countries it has formats that’s why they don’t fly00:31:35
that 60% of NATO components and countries are there. So,00:31:38
in principle, Putin in this sense has led00:31:42
Russia into an absolute dead end from which there00:31:44
is no way out for Russia for Putin,00:31:48
but for Russia the only way out is to get rid00:31:52
of Putin and start returning, try to00:31:55
return to Russia, which was in00:31:58
the beginning it’s great Sergei But in reality it00:32:01
really looks like this But00:32:04
he set a00:32:06
political agenda for the whole world and the whole00:32:10
world instead of resisting in00:32:11
some way to influence Yes,00:32:14
Putin said to change the policy Oh well, if you’re00:32:16
fighting, we mean we’re arming ourselves00:32:19
and President Zelensky will present Alliance of00:32:23
defense investments as opposed to NATO00:32:27
or not, but nevertheless such a00:32:28
huge00:32:30
intercontinental If you want, yes00:32:32
because many foreign companies00:32:33
will go there already 13 states Consent00:32:36
means the whole world is arming itself,00:32:38
but also very, very weak00:32:41
philosophy for the humanity of the future00:32:43
So everyone is arming against in order to00:32:46
resist Putin, this new00:32:48
arms race. A new war is the00:32:51
philosophy of the man of the future. And this,00:32:53
of course, is very, very sad. And then00:32:55
the question arises. Now, as a00:32:57
publicist and writer, and as a person00:32:59
who has long been personified by00:33:01
the intelligence service, what is the role of the intelligence services00:33:03
in modern history, there is no other00:33:05
tool besides actually00:33:07
defending yourself, arming yourself, becoming00:33:09
more aggressive towards an even more00:33:12
aggressive neighbor, and of course the00:33:14
notorious nuclear button, I know00:33:16
that you think this is just banal00:33:18
blackmail, but nevertheless, if Russian00:33:21
propagandists keep remembering, does00:33:22
this mean that it’s like Chekhov’s?00:33:25
a gun Yes, which if it hangs in the00:33:28
first act, it must certainly00:33:29
fire. Under what00:33:31
circumstances and when do you think Putin can00:33:33
use the nuclear button?00:33:35
By the way, I don’t think this is banal00:33:37
blackmail. I think that this is00:33:40
blackmail. But I think that Putin is00:33:43
absolutely irrational. man, and00:33:47
this is what I have been showing there for the last two years,00:33:49
that if he had been a rational00:33:50
person, he would not have started this war. He00:33:52
changed the Constitution and could have sat00:33:55
quietly until the year 236. Yes,00:33:59
Russia is losing its importance, and a little there are some00:34:03
problems arising in the economy but00:34:05
nothing catastrophic, but he suddenly00:34:09
wanted to be paid by the owners of the sea and00:34:12
so that Goldfish, that is, the West and00:34:15
foreign companies that00:34:18
pay him by buying his raw materials from him,00:34:22
were on his parcels. So in this, it00:34:25
was an absolutely irrational decision. And00:34:29
when a person makes an irrational00:34:31
decision, he can make any00:34:33
national decision, including00:34:34
pressing the nuclear button, and by the way, this00:34:37
confirmation is white. I give an example from00:34:41
our joint past,00:34:44
namely studying at a red-notice institute.00:34:46
We entered there together in 84 in the00:34:49
same year, although we studied at different00:34:51
faculties and a year later in 1985, when he00:34:54
left there and I studied there for three years, the00:34:57
foreign intelligence personnel department00:35:01
told him that we don’t need you as an intelligence officer.00:35:03
Because you are a dangerous person because00:35:07
you are under the influence of00:35:09
emotions. You can make00:35:14
irrational decisions that are dangerous00:35:16
for yourself and dangerous. for the service and00:35:19
foreign intelligence refused to remove him from00:35:21
Yasenevo personnel, he was not hired to work in00:35:24
Yasenevo, the first main directorate of the KGB in00:35:27
foreign intelligence, after graduating from the00:35:29
institute, he was sent back to Leningrad by the00:35:32
territorial bodies of the KGB, which00:35:34
was very proof that00:35:36
he did00:35:38
not have an intelligence career00:35:40
precisely because he was a dangerous00:35:42
person, the problem was that the00:35:44
KGB was a huge machine and instead00:35:47
of just dismissing him from its ranks00:35:49
and thus we would forget about this00:35:52
Putin would never have arisen again00:35:54
in nature he would have been sent away simply by the00:35:57
territorial authorities, leaving him in the00:36:00
KGB cadres later Through connections, he went to Dresden,00:36:03
which is also not the best place, but better00:36:05
than St. Petersburg, and then he00:36:07
had a political career due to his00:36:09
proximity to Sobchak, and so on. But the most00:36:13
important thing is that this man is not national.00:36:14
And the further he gets closer to his00:36:18
grave, their old age the more00:36:20
irrational a person he becomes, the00:36:22
war in Ukraine is absolutely00:36:24
irrational.00:36:26
Although of course we can say that he00:36:32
If we proceed from what is happening00:36:34
inside the Russian Federation, then he gave an00:36:36
external enemy and thus00:36:39
consolidated00:36:41
his electorate or even his own00:36:44
people there, some kind of Russian around00:36:46
what -the idea means external enemies and00:36:49
the fight against external enemies. That is, this is a00:36:51
rational thing, but he did it00:36:54
irrationally in any case, that is,00:36:56
the war with Ukraine is an absolutely00:36:58
irrational thing and to hope00:37:00
that he would rationally00:37:02
approach the use of weapons I would00:37:05
not do it either in this sense, I say00:37:09
that of course this is a game, of course this is a Bluff,00:37:11
because after all, he didn’t00:37:14
earn some billions of dollars00:37:16
in order to lose it now, but I have the00:37:18
impression that, by the way, he’s00:37:20
no longer interested in money, that he’s00:37:21
only interested in power now00:37:24
even such a thing as00:37:27
remaining in history, and someone probably00:37:30
like Burgen told him, in fact,00:37:33
successful00:37:36
rulers who make prosperous00:37:38
countries never remain in history; tyrants always remain in history,00:37:41
always people who organize00:37:44
terrible wars, terrible disasters,00:37:46
because this is a00:37:48
passionate thing which00:37:50
is remembered in history and is preserved for many centuries and00:37:53
many millennia of successful kings and00:37:56
successful monarchs, no one remembers them and00:38:01
Putin in this sense has potential00:38:04
because Russia is still a big00:38:05
country and even scares everyone Nobody knows it00:38:10
works These nuclear weapons do not work00:38:12
nuclear00:38:14
seeing weapons Looking at how his army is structured00:38:18
Looking at how his state is structured00:38:20
we can formulate that00:38:23
his nuclear weapons are also structured like00:38:25
his Space structure is structured So we saw the00:38:27
launch of 25 which fell on the moon nothing00:38:31
worked we saw the launches of the Sarmatians00:38:33
which in general00:38:34
dubious dubious success was given, we00:38:37
saw launches of daggers that were00:38:40
knocked down by complex loops and there are00:38:43
doubts that it works at all and the00:38:45
most important thing is that its nuclear weapons are not00:38:47
protected by any air defense and about because there00:38:50
were strikes on Diaghilev, there were strikes on the Su-2 and00:38:53
there were strikes even on the Kremlin and00:38:55
thus Putin was shown and there was a blow to00:38:58
the cruiser Moscow Putin was shown that in00:39:01
fact all of his nuclear weapons are00:39:02
extremely vulnerable to the West and there is no00:39:05
serious war there, the fourth world war,00:39:08
if you count cold Russia as the third,00:39:10
cannot win because it00:39:12
will be destroyed by almost 98 % and 99%00:39:17
potential for the first time minutes if she00:39:21
decides to take some extreme step Here and there00:39:24
is a virtual country, but in00:39:28
this virtual country00:39:30
Putin’s Russian Federation and Putin’s regime00:39:33
can remain for quite a long time, I agree with you00:39:35
that he wrote his agenda to the00:39:38
world00:39:40
because it’s easier to destroy than to build and it’s00:39:45
easier to scare than to find some00:39:48
allies, and plus, the world is not a00:39:53
consolidated world because even00:39:56
so, the police that supports Ukraine are00:39:58
55 countries, each of00:40:01
which has its own political agenda, its own00:40:04
Geopolitics, its own economy, its own00:40:07
sociology, its own00:40:10
strategy and its own tactics, and in this sense, it00:40:15
would be easier for the Western world not even to00:40:18
fight with Putin, but simply with an00:40:20
economic blockade. If there was a serious00:40:22
Blockade, that is, roughly speaking, not a00:40:24
single Russian ship can be found00:40:27
in any ports and not a single Western ship,00:40:31
the main ship can go in00:40:32
Russian and no exchanges are happening at all. It’s00:40:35
just that the country is closed like00:40:37
North Korea and that’s it, and Putin’s00:40:39
economy has collapsed for three months, but00:40:42
no one wants to make such a decision,00:40:45
no one can make such a decision00:40:47
because everyone has their own lobbies in00:40:50
France. There is a huge00:40:52
agro-industrial lobby that lived in the00:40:54
Russian market in France, there is a lobby00:40:57
there, I don’t know00:40:59
some kind of distribution there that00:41:02
opened Auchan supermarkets there and all00:41:04
sorts of other stores00:41:08
that were built in the Russian Federation00:41:10
and these families have not yet left the00:41:13
Russian Federation and are00:41:15
actually trying to work there the lobby is not just00:41:18
about Putin, but about the economic one, which is00:41:22
ready to trade with the devil until the00:41:24
devil comes, our own home,00:41:27
until Putin arrives in Russian00:41:30
tanks in Paris, then in principle they will trade with him,00:41:32
communicate with him, and so on,00:41:35
because they still have their own internal00:41:37
problems in France, let’s say they don’t like00:41:39
Americans and Putin doesn’t like Americans,00:41:42
this has been consistent since then. Yes,00:41:45
France also has such a history, and it’s an00:41:49
accumulated history because00:41:53
Stalinism was condemned by the Nazis after 1945. Yes, and in France there are a00:41:56
huge number of leftists who also00:41:58
say that Putin is wonderful, here he is00:42:00
standing there00:42:01
Putin Absolutely no Soviet Union is00:42:03
worth And by the way the Russian Empire00:42:05
Putin is not worth Putin is a00:42:08
mafia state which is the00:42:10
only engine00:42:12
that is loot loot power00:42:14
nothing else And you are not interested at all00:42:17
But this allows you to really00:42:20
impose your agenda and this is a problem00:42:22
And the problem is even much more00:42:25
philosophical because we live on a very00:42:29
small planet00:42:31
If you take some kind of Space, even00:42:33
if you take our solar system,00:42:35
which is a closed system and00:42:38
no Russian Federation is going anywhere from this system.00:42:40
That is,00:42:42
even if Putin it is isolated there, then00:42:45
this is one sixth of the land and it00:42:49
will not fly anywhere to either Mars or00:42:51
Jupiter or Alpha Centauri and we are00:42:55
forced to live with this neighbor since we00:42:57
live there before, we lived next to Cuba and00:43:00
now we live in North Korea somewhere00:43:02
There, next to Venezuela, Latin America,00:43:04
there, with Iran, with some kind of person there, will be given up by00:43:07
ISIS with al-Qaeda and with all the other00:43:12
neighbors because simply And where they have00:43:15
n’t destroyed the territory there are 14000:43:19
million And therefore this is a hopeless thing,00:43:22
and hopeless things in a closed system00:43:25
are necessary look for compromises and the whole world00:43:27
is built on compromises,00:43:31
this world is transforming and we have become00:43:33
direct witnesses,00:43:35
participants are more interested in observing00:43:37
these processes. This means that she00:43:39
will always have something to talk about. Thank you00:43:40
very much to00:43:43
our audience Thank you and00:43:45
see you again00:43:46
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