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Hello everyone This is a podcast in previous00:00:14
episodes and we are its hosts, the head of the00:00:17
non-profit project alternative to FM00:00:19
Project Lisa Surganova and the writer and00:00:21
author of the channel are stocking up on popcorn Ivan00:00:24
[music]00:00:26
Liv today we are discussing the netflix series00:00:31
from the showrunner in Game of Thrones Benev and00:00:33
Weiss called task three bodies00:00:36
just in case, our traditional00:00:38
warning in today's episode of00:00:40
the podcast we are discussing the series with all the00:00:42
spoilers for this series, this is important.00:00:44
Therefore, if you are afraid of spoilers,00:00:46
it is better to first watch the series to the end00:00:48
and only then turn on our00:00:51
podcast. Well, listen, there is00:00:54
actually so much you can do here discuss I was preparing for the00:00:57
podcast, I read a wild00:00:59
number of interviews with Benny of and Weiss, and00:01:01
in fact I discovered a huge00:01:03
number of terribly interesting details about00:01:05
which I mean I knew absolutely nothing,00:01:07
including details about the very00:01:09
murder associated with the series The00:01:11
Three-Body Problem It seems to me that we just need to00:01:13
start with the story about the murder and in general00:01:17
this whole incredible00:01:19
story, which seems absolutely worthy of a separate series, is00:01:21
that the rights to the00:01:24
film adaptation And in general, any modifications based00:01:27
on the novel of problems of three l were00:01:30
bought by a billionaire of Chinese00:01:32
origin named links and He hired00:01:35
under this is the job of the producer who00:01:36
will actually implement all this and00:01:39
be responsible for ensuring that it all appears00:01:41
on the screens, turns into games, and so00:01:43
on and so forth. During some00:01:45
disagreements, apparently related to the fact that00:01:48
the producer turned out to be not such a great00:01:50
producer as he would like,00:01:52
this person is literally poisoned our00:01:55
billionaire, along with him, a00:01:57
number of other people were simply embittered and00:02:00
offended by the fact that he was pushed away from00:02:02
the project, so what details did I learn?00:02:04
First of all, of course, the most amazing00:02:06
detail in my opinion, at least, and00:02:08
it directly relates to ours you00:02:10
podcast, this is that the method of murder and00:02:14
the method of poisoning and how exactly to poison00:02:16
the poisoner spied on the series Breaking00:02:18
Bad And when this story happened,00:02:21
Benev and Weiss read it so wildly00:02:24
that they sent Nsu Gilligan00:02:26
the showrunner of Breaking Bad deal with this00:02:30
news with a question, look what you00:02:31
did it and the second story has a more00:02:33
practical meaning, it turns out that this00:02:35
same billionaire was00:02:37
negotiating with Amazon in 2018 because00:02:40
Jeff Bezos, the owner of Amazon, is a terrible00:02:42
fan of the book of three-body problems of the trilogy00:02:44
that we are essentially00:02:46
discussing today and for 8 months they negotiated00:02:49
and then the Chinese delegation flew to00:02:51
Los Angeles and Links behaved absolutely00:02:53
monstrously, he dressed like a Gangster, he00:02:55
put his feet on the table at a meeting with the demon00:02:58
and in the end he simply ruined all these00:03:00
negotiations and now people who00:03:02
participated in these00:03:04
negotiations from Amazon remember that the most00:03:06
dissatisfied The most indignant person00:03:08
shocked by this behavior was the00:03:10
guy who poisoned the links as a result.00:03:12
I think that someone is already writing00:03:14
a script based on this separate story and this00:03:16
one will now also go down in history. Well,00:03:18
Hollywood, in fact, after all, it’s00:03:20
connected with Netflix and series for00:03:22
Netflix and the final point in this00:03:25
story is also quite dramatic,00:03:27
namely on March 22, that is, literally the00:03:30
day before the series was released on Netflix,00:03:32
this same nuclear weapons producer was sentenced00:03:35
to death in Shanghai, that is, in general,00:03:37
everything seemed to end quite00:03:39
tragically for everyone and all because of00:03:42
disagreements about work and00:03:43
creative vision Well, yes, some very00:03:46
Mexican passions, in fact, I00:03:48
somehow didn’t expect, but it’s interesting that in00:03:50
the credits of the series As a result, the billionaire is00:03:53
as one of the producers and that very same00:03:55
poisoner of him there’s no, well, in general, to00:03:58
the point.00:04:00
Listen, tell me how you like the series00:04:02
because you and I were corresponding00:04:03
while you were watching and I had a feeling00:04:05
that somehow it didn’t really suit you. It00:04:07
seems to me that there was a lot of scope00:04:11
and expectations it was really00:04:13
big, but in the end I was somehow left with the00:04:16
feeling that it was a rather drawn-out story, it00:04:19
turned out to be a story that didn’t really00:04:21
grab me in places with some slack00:04:24
in the plot, there are00:04:27
things that seem to be key to the plot that are00:04:30
sentenced very quickly, you didn’t really understand00:04:32
what was happening And why are they doing this, but the00:04:35
whole series seems to be being rebuilt and everyone is00:04:37
running somewhere and doing something new and00:04:40
at the same time you haven’t understood a damn thing yet,00:04:41
I still had00:04:43
this feeling several times and at the same time we were so protective of you00:04:46
Beneo and Weiss when everyone00:04:49
scolded them for how they were in a hurry in the00:04:51
last season of Game of Thrones But here,00:04:53
on the contrary, I had the full feeling that00:04:55
this was all terribly drawn out and drawn out and all00:04:57
this could have been made dynamically00:05:00
simpler and clearer, and at the same time one of00:05:02
my key complaints The real thing about the series is00:05:04
that we have00:05:07
these five young scientists who are00:05:09
essentially like, well, probably the main characters of the00:05:11
series, plus there are two or three people00:05:13
who revolve around them, but to be honest,00:05:16
they all aroused almost00:05:19
no interest in me probably only Jean,00:05:21
somehow I liked him the most, they00:05:23
killed him quickly and it’s also unclear what00:05:26
he did, how he earned all this money, I didn’t00:05:28
understand at all, two of us guys in the series00:05:31
suffer in the last episode of something, they00:05:33
finally came up with at least something00:05:35
to do No I’m only for00:05:38
women to run the show, but in general it’s00:05:39
strange, it somehow looks00:05:41
balanced and interesting, first of all, of00:05:43
course, I agree that the00:05:45
biggest problem in the series is the task of three00:05:47
bodies - These are the heroes because these00:05:48
five main characters are Nika Shya00:05:51
here It is important to say that I have not read00:05:53
the trilogy of Luci Son, I cannot judge00:05:56
how accurately or inaccurately00:06:00
some things are transferred from the book to the screen Although I have00:06:02
read quite a lot of analyzes and I can00:06:04
more or less imagine in general terms,00:06:05
well, plus Again, I read00:06:07
these interviews and one of the00:06:09
complaints about the books was that they are00:06:11
more about concepts and ideas and less about00:06:14
people, these are the characters in the books, they are not00:06:16
developed enough, they are not very00:06:18
alive, they are a little cardboard and00:06:20
they said that their task was00:06:22
to fix it, so damn, that’s exactly what you did00:06:24
n’t fix because the only00:06:26
heroine that I was really00:06:28
interested in, who has a really00:06:30
really cool story, is enze,00:06:32
this is this Chinese scientist who00:06:34
we meet in the first episode and she00:06:37
really has an arc she really00:06:39
has drama, she really does Well somehow it00:06:41
all turns out pretty great Well yes But it00:06:43
ends quite meaninglessly No it00:06:45
seems to me that she has such a00:06:46
complete story that is completely understandable00:06:48
How else could it end if she00:06:51
understands that by her act she doomed00:06:54
humanity to destruction and the creatures for00:06:56
whose sake she did all this most likely00:06:59
not with the judgment of humanity, but as if they would00:07:00
destroy it. Well, to be honest, it seemed to me00:07:02
at some point that she would now, as it were,00:07:05
join in an active fight against these00:07:09
aliens, and realize her mistake and00:07:11
begin to correct it Well, because in00:07:13
general, it’s easy to merge beautifully at this moment.00:07:15
Looking at the sunset, it’s also not very00:07:17
clear and what. Well, listen, on the other00:07:19
hand, she has endured a lot in her life. In00:07:21
general, she has the right to rest like Ponty00:07:24
Pilate in Master Margarita, probably, but00:07:26
perhaps not at the moment when because of you, it’s00:07:29
as if the whole earth is now going to be destroyed, here you00:07:31
bring us to the most interesting thing, I did00:07:33
n’t like the characters, I liked00:07:35
one heroine, I actually00:07:37
ended up liking the series because00:07:39
I was very interested in watching it, and00:07:41
most importantly, I have never had such a concept, such an00:07:43
idea I haven’t come across this before, it was a00:07:45
very new thing. And this00:07:47
novelty for me. For me, it covered a huge00:07:50
number of shortcomings because the idea00:07:52
that a person invites an00:07:54
alien Race to invade To00:07:56
correct our problems because we00:07:58
can’t cope with them is a very interesting00:08:00
idea and in fact, it’s interesting to00:08:02
talk about her separately, not even from the series.00:08:04
Now, if you and I had such an00:08:06
opportunity, we would call, having received a00:08:08
warning, by the way, this is00:08:10
actually a super important point that this00:08:11
alien voice is the first thing that answers,00:08:14
please don’t answer because we evil,00:08:16
we will come and eat you, and she takes it and00:08:18
replies that of course, it probably says something about her too,00:08:20
but on the other hand,00:08:22
it speaks of her as a heroine who00:08:24
has undergone a huge number of trials, after00:08:27
all, and we have seen these trials and00:08:28
know this. In general, it’s clear from a general00:08:30
human point of view, what are you doing, you’re a00:08:33
fool, but from a human point of view, it’s00:08:36
just very clear that one and two - this is00:08:38
that this invasion is not now, that this is an00:08:40
invasion In at least 4 centuries, this is a00:08:43
very unexpected idea And then,00:08:45
having immersed myself in the material, I understood that the books00:08:47
generally cover a huge time00:08:49
period of several thousand years. Having learned about this00:08:51
Lisa, I realized that this is the thing that most00:08:54
likely means there will be a recast of00:08:55
almost all the characters. This means that the00:08:57
characters that irritated me monstrously00:08:59
in the first season will no longer00:09:00
irritate me in the second because they it00:09:02
just won’t be Well, we don’t know how00:09:03
far00:09:06
the scantronic is, yes,00:09:13
that is, at least 400 years should00:09:16
pass, which means that most of these00:09:18
heroes In addition to those who undergo cryo00:09:21
freezing procedures, they00:09:23
will naturally be replaced and will not live, I agree with you00:09:25
that it’s a very interesting concept. I like it00:09:27
too this was all interesting00:09:29
to understand for me, this is also an unusual00:09:31
story, so postponed Yes, it’s like00:09:33
the Apocalypse and very interesting this00:09:36
moment that the Aliens themselves tell them that00:09:39
you are developing so quickly what we are00:09:41
experiencing Yes, that in these 400 years you00:09:43
will overtake our technologies, that’s why we are00:09:45
now trying undermine the development of your00:09:48
science so that after 400 years they can00:09:50
defeat you and this is such a cool Challenge Yes,00:09:53
can you somehow outwit these00:09:55
aliens, this is the story with the fact that they00:09:58
created a thick super-powerful computer00:10:01
that is present anywhere on the earth00:10:03
at the same time And monitors everything and you00:10:06
You can’t hide from him, the only thing00:10:08
where he can’t penetrate is into a00:10:09
person’s thoughts, it’s interesting. Although00:10:12
I always have questions like what they00:10:15
can and what they can’t because it seems00:10:17
like they can do something Only00:10:19
with the hands of people And for That’s why they need00:10:21
these Mercenaries Yes, who go around and kill, but in00:10:23
fact they control something00:10:26
super from afar, get into control of00:10:29
cars, planes, systems, why00:10:32
then would you hire individual people00:10:34
as killers If you can just00:10:36
kill people with some kind of system, I don’t00:10:38
understand and for me this is some kind of00:10:40
strange inconsistency, this way and that, for some reason it00:10:42
seemed to me that00:10:44
they did it this way on purpose and that this is a plot00:10:47
in development and as this00:10:49
very plot develops we will understand what00:10:50
exactly they can do and what exactly they can’t do00:10:52
do our Aliens remotely, this is you00:10:54
and me, two things that we00:10:56
called absolutely innovative And there is also a third one00:10:58
that is no less cool And in fact,00:11:00
it may be even more interesting that00:11:02
humanity, all of humanity learns that the00:11:04
invasion of terrible00:11:06
technologically advanced aliens00:11:08
is inevitable, how humanity behaves00:11:10
this it’s an awesome absolutely philosophical00:11:12
question to which it’s very interesting to look for00:11:14
an answer, I really liked it in the00:11:15
interview with Benny of Vai who say that00:11:18
Yes, we asked this question and00:11:19
the main thing is that we more or less know the answer to it, the00:11:21
show runners say because00:11:23
humanity has recently faced00:11:25
one threat to itself as a species and00:11:29
coped with it very, very poorly.00:11:31
This part of the series is of course very00:11:34
indicative and I especially liked it.00:11:35
Well, you know, in general, I just00:11:37
don’t understand what exactly you00:11:39
liked because it seems to me that00:11:41
besides how if only all these00:11:43
serious guys who are now solving00:11:45
issues of a planetary scale, specifically about the00:11:47
reaction of humanity there, it’s actually00:11:50
not very clear, yes. In general, she somehow00:11:52
also speaks in passing and00:11:54
then everyone lives as they lived and is like,00:11:56
well, maybe it doesn’t matter this is00:11:58
the task of showing that in general,00:12:01
nothing will affect people. Well, yes,00:12:03
because it does not affect them directly, but their00:12:06
very distant descendants, and this is00:12:09
actually the trick, remember there was this00:12:11
series from Apple about Global00:12:13
Warming which in fact,00:12:15
let’s show the people who00:12:17
live now what will happen to their00:12:18
distant descendants if00:12:21
no one does anything about the climate and the whole00:12:23
series was built on the fact that people do00:12:25
n’t work like that, we don’t know how to plan that far ahead,00:12:27
we can’t to feel00:12:29
for someone who will be born in 400 years00:12:32
and this feature is00:12:34
actually shown here very clearly and this is a00:12:36
flaw or feature of human00:12:38
nature because that series was00:12:39
monstrous But here the same idea is00:12:42
conveyed as since it seems to me00:12:44
as cool as possible, probably, but at the same time,00:12:46
there is this story with the UN, firstly,00:12:49
in general, in recent years I00:12:51
have accumulated quite a lot of questions for the UN and00:12:53
it all looks as00:12:55
senseless and untenable as possible, and in general it is00:12:57
probably very similar to the truth The UN00:12:59
expressed concern, appointed someone00:13:02
responsible for solving the problem and00:13:04
left some leftist dude Yes00:13:06
Dada dude who had no idea at all,00:13:09
nothing was explained to him, he doesn’t understand at all00:13:11
what needs to be done, but everything is very00:13:13
seriously pompous, we won’t explain anything to you,00:13:16
you yourself must understand, it looks00:13:18
like some kind of nonsense, to be honest,00:13:21
humanity is relying on three people who00:13:23
will decide something inside their heads. Why00:13:25
three, why not 50, also some kind of00:13:28
strange story, the budget wasn’t enough, and00:13:30
as if there was enough for 300 nuclear explosions00:13:34
Listen, I liked it so much these nuclear00:13:36
explosions because I was sure that00:13:37
this means their nuclear system and all this00:13:40
will work and the rocket will be carried away and it’s very00:13:43
cool that this didn’t happen despite the fact that00:13:44
I can’t call the series itself outstanding,00:13:46
but three scenes made a00:13:48
huge impression on me First - this is the most00:13:51
opening scene This is China during the00:13:53
Great Cultural Revolution and this00:13:55
was actually especially cool00:13:57
because I later read that the first two00:13:59
episodes were directed by a Chinese director and together with the00:14:02
third showrunner, everyone forgets him for an00:14:05
obvious reason, but the series has a00:14:06
third showrunner name is Alexander Wu00:14:08
and he is, accordingly, an American of00:14:09
Chinese descent, and both00:14:11
Alexander Wu and the director of the first two00:14:13
episodes, their families suffered during the00:14:15
Great Cultural Revolution and they00:14:17
filmed very authentically and largely based on00:14:20
memories that were part of the00:14:22
family Tradition and this is actually00:14:24
straight amazing scene and it sets the tone00:14:26
for the series it’s cool The second scene is00:14:28
the scene with the ship and the threads, remember when the00:14:31
nano threads cut the ship yes It’s powerful,00:14:34
real horror I haven’t seen00:14:37
anything so creepy and scary for a long time This is00:14:39
just a very, very cool scene on the level of00:14:42
Game of Thrones and To be honest, I didn’t have00:14:44
enough reflection about this00:14:46
horror Because all the reflection00:14:48
was shoved into this one rather strange00:14:50
scientist who, to be honest, She was a scientist00:14:52
to me all the time, but00:14:54
everyone else was like that. Well, okay, we cut00:14:56
1,000 people into pieces, let’s move on. Yes,00:14:59
it’s impossible argue here and the third00:15:01
is just the final launch of the rocket00:15:02
when it ends in failure and you are00:15:05
like wow And this is not just like a00:15:07
failure for all humanity, it is00:15:09
also a human tragedy with this00:15:11
unfortunate young man who died who00:15:13
annoyed me inhumanly all the way00:15:16
just They everyone pisses me off, it’s00:15:18
really terrible when you have a series in00:15:20
which all five main characters piss you off,00:15:22
it’s very annoying, I agree.00:15:24
Honestly, this just seems to me to be a00:15:26
major failure. And it’s not just about the00:15:29
actor. But how much is about what’s really on00:15:31
throughout how many seven episodes out of00:15:33
eight there is a feeling that they can’t00:15:35
formulate for him why you are needed here00:15:37
and that’s why you have endless these scenes00:15:39
of him looking at the sky, worrying,00:15:42
discussing confessing his love not00:15:44
confessing to him, his friend convinces him, he00:15:46
refuses and you’re so God already Is this00:15:49
going to go anywhere or not, well, of00:15:51
course, what they’re offering him is a00:15:53
pretty cool story. Yes, it’s really00:15:55
like this. Become such an experiment in00:15:58
that what We want to do is that we can00:16:00
send only the brain and it’s like your00:16:02
brain is perfect for mine though00:16:03
look If you think like that, try to00:16:05
take it all apart This is a pretty00:16:07
crazy idea in itself, let's remember00:16:10
where this whole story began, our00:16:11
main character and the main villain says00:16:15
we need to figure out how their fleet works00:16:17
Thomas Wade we need to understand what we are00:16:19
dealing with there three there are 500 ships there,00:16:21
we need to send00:16:23
some umbrella there that00:16:24
will scan it all. Okay, the idea is clear to me,00:16:27
okay next. Why attach a00:16:30
human brain there with the fact that it’s possible. The00:16:32
aliens will want to take it and do something with00:16:35
it. And this brain is somehow00:16:38
possible then he will tell you how00:16:40
these Aliens work there are so many00:16:42
Perhaps there are so many kind of00:16:43
hypothetical constructions and00:16:46
in this in the00:16:49
future again why are we00:16:51
sending this there here I will stand up for the hero of Lime00:16:54
Kanin because it seems to me that he is00:16:56
planning Well, as if in principle all his00:16:58
submarines are built on a chain of incredible00:17:00
assumptions that nuclear missiles and everything00:17:03
else within the given rules of the game00:17:05
it looks normal If these00:17:07
rules of the game were not given were not00:17:09
formulated, yes, probably it would have00:17:11
killed me But since here you are doing at least00:17:13
something in the hope that at least something00:17:15
will work Well, yes it does work00:17:18
yes but what is the purpose of this task you00:17:19
can explain to your people what the purpose is of00:17:21
sending the brain on this probe I understand the00:17:24
task of photographing the fleet and realizing the00:17:26
size of the enemy I understand that he is a00:17:29
spy wants the aliens to not resist00:17:31
and take him prisoner and while they00:17:33
study him he will study them I could00:17:35
be wrong I admit completely Yeah00:17:37
then he says only this spy00:17:39
will not have a mouth and will not have a body to eat00:17:42
your cooked kernels of corn that00:17:44
is And when they tell him How will he00:17:46
give you back the information? He just00:17:47
says, Well, he’s a smart guy. He’ll00:17:49
figure something out. Well, listen, it’ll be 400 years.00:17:51
That’s ahead in general. It’s quite00:17:53
logical, maybe by this moment it’s already00:17:55
Telekinesis. You sent the human organ00:17:58
to the mind. then that this body will then00:18:01
figure out how to transfer00:18:03
the information back to you. Sorry, this is not a plan, this is to00:18:05
experiment with something. I00:18:08
agree, but I’m saying that its plan00:18:10
is to endlessly00:18:12
experiment and hope for00:18:13
some kind of new one, based on my very00:18:16
favorite logic, what if you00:18:18
will do something, even if you make a mistake, it is00:18:19
better than if you do nothing.00:18:21
Because if you do nothing, you are00:18:22
guaranteed to lose, and in this00:18:24
sense, he seems to be behaving quite00:18:27
reasonably. Although perhaps his logic is00:18:29
really not fully clear to us00:18:31
Let's note that at no point in the series does00:18:33
anyone discuss some kind of system for00:18:35
building the defense of the Earth, you need to00:18:38
create some kind of fleet of your own Yes, you need to00:18:40
build spaceships in general, everyone00:18:42
sends this brain, nuclear bombs, everyone00:18:45
goes there, despite the fact that the task00:18:47
of this thing is to do this photograph and00:18:50
populate the brain with which it is unknown What00:18:52
will happen next, I just want to take a00:18:54
second to correlate the scale and the goal of00:18:56
what you get In the end, yes, I00:18:59
completely agree with you But it seems to me that00:19:00
this is the trick of the series is that they say that00:19:02
we are faced with a task that00:19:05
it is impossible to solve which we cannot00:19:07
solve, including because the event00:19:08
will happen in 400 years, we need to00:19:11
do something now, what we are doing and we are00:19:13
making meaningless body movements in the00:19:15
hope that at least one of them will bring00:19:18
some result, I have this one here00:19:19
strangeness This is exactly what she bribed in the series00:19:22
that you get a set of00:19:24
some absolutely unexpected decisions and00:19:26
events that you have never00:19:28
seen or heard of Pitchfork before and this is very00:19:31
interesting, but I actually wanted to00:19:34
start the conversation with the fact that the whole book00:19:36
takes place in China and the series, as we know,00:19:38
in London, one Chinese hero00:19:40
turned into five heroes of different00:19:42
nationalities and genders. I was sure that00:19:44
this was due to the fact that netflix is a00:19:45
global platform. And that this was their00:19:47
demand, it turns out that it’s completely wrong,00:19:48
Netflix has the rights only to English00:19:51
translation and therefore either the action of the series00:19:54
really takes place in China but the00:19:56
characters speak only English and00:19:58
like Benny of the same But it will be very00:20:00
strange Or they make this story00:20:02
more global it was just and it was00:20:04
quite interesting because I saw00:20:05
that a lot of00:20:07
discussed by people They wondered,00:20:10
like, that this was done for the00:20:13
sake of the so-called agenda, and the second00:20:15
Chip in the books turns out to be before00:20:17
they began adapting Benny of Weiss pose with00:20:21
Lucy Snem, who turned out to be a terrible00:20:23
fan of the Game of Thrones and who said00:20:25
guys like I know that you will00:20:26
change my book The flag is in your hands I mean I00:20:29
agree to everything I think for an author00:20:31
who understands how his book can00:20:33
be changed This is quite a bold and00:20:37
very high-quality decision I00:20:38
had no questions Why do the series00:20:41
take place in different countries and I00:20:43
think it’s not the problem the agenda is that00:20:45
you are still trying to identify Yes, that00:20:47
the problem is of some planetary00:20:49
nature and concerns It not only China,00:20:50
of course. But it concerns the whole earth;00:20:53
another thing is that in the end it all00:20:56
worked out very well, again, American centri00:20:59
Yes, and Anglo centri, and how do you if only00:21:02
China would drop out of the equations altogether. Well, the00:21:04
main and most00:21:06
interesting thing of the heroine and her line didn’t completely drop out. Yes, but I00:21:09
mean China as a state, so00:21:12
you kind of have a planetary problem, they00:21:14
will destroy us all; we have complicated00:21:16
relations with China and America But this does00:21:18
n’t seem to arise at all. Yes, there is00:21:20
the UN, again a senseless body that00:21:22
decided to appoint three people,00:21:24
everyone went their separate ways. It seems to me that China00:21:25
fell out of the equation for a very simple and00:21:27
working reason, Christie, netflix is00:21:29
not available in China and why bother?00:21:33
Well, in principle, it’s like the participation of China -00:21:35
these are some restrictions there, not only there is00:21:38
no China. Did you notice that the00:21:41
Russian Doctor speaks00:21:43
Belarusian? Yes, this is funny, but for example, for example,00:21:46
who does this veit work for, for00:21:48
what country, for what organization?00:21:50
In the end, I too I still didn’t understand something,00:21:52
something very serious, very mystical,00:21:54
very mysterious, but it’s also something00:21:56
like that Yes, he works for the world00:21:59
government But this is not00:22:00
explained anywhere, does not mention it anywhere, I talk about00:22:02
it and say that it’s like you have everything00:22:04
time with a certain number of questions00:22:06
you approach everything00:22:09
We recently discussed the TV series T detective00:22:12
remembered Nick sang by the author of the00:22:14
detective who last season00:22:16
cursed to be00:22:19
branded in the credits because he is00:22:22
paid money for it So I found out a00:22:23
fantastic thing This is an absolutely00:22:25
standard clause in hbo contracts and00:22:28
when Benis and Weiss finished Game of00:22:31
Thrones, they had the full right to00:22:33
names in the credits and a very significant00:22:35
deduction from each episode of any00:22:37
prequel, sequel, or any series or00:22:40
film related to the Game of00:22:42
Thrones universe, so Benis of Weiss, the future of00:22:44
smart and decent people,00:22:46
refused this right Despite the fact that we were talking00:22:48
about literally millions of dollars and00:22:50
they refused. They are exactly for this reason they00:22:52
say in an interview that like our00:22:53
lawyers didn’t understand this,00:22:55
Netflix’s lawyers said that we are crazy and00:22:57
Ben FS is telling the guys our names00:22:59
will be there, we don’t want to end up in a00:23:01
situation where our names are on00:23:03
something that we had nothing00:23:05
to do with and with which we may not00:23:07
agree, and it seems to me that this is an00:23:09
absolutely wonderful case that00:23:10
illustrates, first of all, the00:23:12
human professional qualities of00:23:14
different people and speaks very well about00:23:16
Beni ofi and Weiss speak very poorly about00:23:17
Niki Pe Salad, although in general,00:23:19
everyone in the industry is now talking badly about him. The00:23:21
second funny thing is that neither00:23:22
Benev nor Weiss have watched a single00:23:24
episode of House of the Dragon such no no That’s00:23:27
enough, they closed this the page was turned over, the00:23:30
book was thrown out and burned, maybe it’s good that00:23:32
we don’t have indignant tweets from Benny and00:23:35
Weiss about the fact that everything went00:23:37
wrong, it’s not just that you refuse00:23:39
something, you refuse a naturally00:23:41
small dump truck for a day because there’s00:23:44
already one Prikl there are two more In development00:23:47
and you tell me no, my name and my00:23:49
professional reputation are more valuable than a00:23:51
dump truck of money, this evokes serious00:23:55
respect in the end, in fact, I probably00:23:58
want to say that I have a very uneven00:24:00
impression of the series00:24:02
because there are really some00:24:04
very cool ideas in it and the findings00:24:07
are, in some places, a rather creepy and00:24:09
strange performance in which00:24:11
many questions remain, but the main thing is that in00:24:14
fact it’s probably an amazing thing00:24:17
that I don’t know much about. After which series00:24:19
I feel that even during these eight00:24:22
episodes you somehow look back on what00:24:24
happened during them you understand that there are00:24:26
so many lines intertwined and00:24:28
so many stories, there was this00:24:29
story about the cultural revolution and China00:24:32
and the repressive state00:24:34
whose victim was so desperate that he00:24:36
calls aliens, there is this story00:24:38
about scientists who begin to die, you00:24:41
see these numbers which, too,00:24:43
then you end up you still don’t understand what’s00:24:45
happening in the finale, you’ve reached00:24:47
zero, you’re further away You just see some00:24:48
scary picture nearby. Yes, this is how it00:24:50
happens in the finale when we leave or what’s00:24:52
happening to you. There’s this game with00:24:54
some incredible levels00:24:56
that some moment of all then00:24:58
and then like and what Well, that is, there are a00:25:01
lot of incredible backlogs and then there is00:25:04
always a little bit of this question and what that00:25:06
is, in fact, the feeling that I’ll00:25:08
put several series into one from00:25:10
this on the one hand is very intense and00:25:12
on the other on the other hand, in some places00:25:14
the impression is strange, I agree,00:25:16
the impression is really strange and I will00:25:17
now say something that, in principle, I00:25:19
rarely say and for which00:25:21
I would rather people a little very friendly and00:25:25
delicately but condemn I watched it Not00:25:27
because the series has quality In the sense of the00:25:29
dramaturgy of the characters dialogues And for the fact00:25:32
that I was terribly interested, he’s just00:25:34
so unpredictable, you look00:25:36
further You think no Well, of course I’ll look00:25:37
further I’m just curious what00:25:39
else you’ll come up with and it still redeemed for me a00:25:42
huge number of minuses and00:25:44
shortcomings that you just very00:25:46
accurately said By the way, when we were00:25:48
talking about languages, we should have00:25:49
said more, of course, but I think our00:25:51
advanced listeners already know that a00:25:53
very accurate and true to the letter of the book00:25:55
adaptation exists in Chinese and00:25:58
was made for a Chinese audience and00:26:00
there are as many as 30 episodes, by the way, it’s very00:26:02
interesting for me to watch I just don’t have00:26:04
time for 30 episodes yet, but I’ll00:26:06
definitely get to the second season, and the second00:26:08
important thing that I wanted to say in00:26:09
this regard is what Beo and00:26:12
Weiss themselves talk about in all their interviews,00:26:14
and this seems to be the only thing00:26:15
that naturally wanders from every00:26:17
conversation into the conversation They say the same thing. In00:26:19
general, they say something that’s not my favorite but is very00:26:21
clear to me. The first book is an00:26:22
exposition. We made every effort to00:26:24
make it less expositional, but00:26:27
unfortunately it’s still an exposition00:26:28
because the second one is much cooler and the third one00:26:31
is I'm in over my head and I'm generally counting on this and I'm counting on this to be the00:26:34
case. They want to00:26:36
make four seasons out of three books. I00:26:38
really hope that with the credit of trust00:26:40
that Benya and Weiss have on Netflix,00:26:43
they'll be given a second, third, fourth, and we'll00:26:44
find out how it ended accordingly00:26:46
because well, it’s just interesting, I’m not00:26:48
ready to read complex science fiction,00:26:51
this is not my genre. I honestly tried to start00:26:54
and it’s a little hard for me, but00:26:56
I want to watch the series, but I00:26:58
really want them to remove00:27:00
these three remaining strange scientists and00:27:04
leave Wade, I like him and They gave00:27:07
it all some new breath and00:27:09
development because of course look at00:27:11
this incredibly beautiful Mexican woman00:27:14
who is trying to diligently pretend to be an00:27:16
incredible scientist. But some of00:27:18
this doesn’t stick together and I don’t want00:27:20
this comment to sound sexist, that00:27:23
this is some kind of maximum miscast I00:27:25
just look at her with this constantly00:27:27
sad side face, perfect hair,00:27:29
perfectly lined eyes and you are00:27:32
like that, I never believe in this, everything00:27:35
is good in this place, I balanced00:27:37
the comment with the words that I have no doubt00:27:39
that there are physicists in the world with00:27:41
perfect hair perfectly lined with00:27:42
eyes that look even more00:27:44
beautiful than the heroine of the actress Eisy00:27:47
Gonzales But with the word Mist I00:27:49
categorically agree because I was00:27:51
actually infuriated by a huge number00:27:53
of heroes, in fact, except for Lime Kange,00:27:55
who is Thomas Wade, except for Benedict,00:27:58
who is Dasha. By the way, this is00:28:00
actually interesting. we are talking about heroes But the00:28:02
hero Wong has a son and he00:28:05
turned out to be more lively than some of the main00:28:08
characters like So damn this is true and00:28:10
everything about him is more clear yes He gave00:28:13
several scenes and literally00:28:14
several rather short00:28:16
dialogues not related to the plot Well, for00:28:18
example I didn’t understand anything about this00:28:22
friend of theirs, the keeper of the actual solo.00:28:25
Besides the fact that00:28:26
he likes to smoke weed and sleep with00:28:28
girls. But these are cool qualities, but00:28:30
why does everyone call00:28:32
him the smartest? Why are such Great00:28:33
Expectations placed on him in general for the entire00:28:35
series? the only one in theory didn’t00:28:36
arise just zero I’m here Of course I00:28:39
agree with you But at the same time I think it’s00:28:41
clear why this was done because00:28:43
then the UN decision works in the finale00:28:45
Because you don’t know anything about him00:28:47
except that he’s a womanizer junkie and then00:28:49
Oops and that means organization United00:28:51
Nations He is the one who chooses Well, it00:28:53
works How does such a dramatic00:28:55
device make you like Oh wow, I00:28:57
thought that he was just a junkie and a womanizer and00:28:59
somehow he is00:29:00
charming Although My problem is not even that it is00:29:03
not clear what he is00:29:04
and why he’s the smartest And the00:29:06
fact that he doesn’t have a lot of action and00:29:08
participation in the plot is the main problem I have with this:00:29:10
in general, all the young people are not00:29:13
very successful, all the adults are wonderful and00:29:15
Jonathan Price is wonderful and the00:29:17
wonderful Rosalyn Chao is absolutely00:29:19
amazing But all the young people are00:29:21
a little bit levova this and to be honest,00:29:23
the word of Ms. Cast on all five of them is very00:29:25
accurately applied to almost all of them00:29:28
because the hero named Jack Rooney00:29:30
actually dies and who00:29:32
made a fortune for himself on snak, he’s00:29:34
very charming, I really00:29:35
liked him and it was somehow funny and00:29:37
all his witty dialogues and all his00:29:40
relationships were quite nice00:29:42
Well, yes, although he’s also like one of the00:29:44
five of these scientists who studied at Oxford00:29:47
But what does he do in the end, you understand why00:29:49
he’s a billionaire, he came up with his own line of00:29:51
snacks and made it for himself a huge00:29:53
fortune left science, you see there00:29:56
they are playing with the fact that there are p p students and00:29:58
everyone has different destinies, someone stayed in00:30:00
science, someone in theoretical, someone in00:30:02
applied, someone went into teaching,00:30:04
someone went, it means like00:30:06
It’s just a thing in business. Well, it just doesn’t00:30:08
work equally well with everyone, as we00:30:10
just00:30:12
discussed. I think that with this we00:30:15
will finish the discussion of the first season. I don’t00:30:18
know. Will it be enough for me personally to watch the00:30:21
next seasons? We’ll see because on the00:30:23
one hand it’s interesting on the other hand,00:30:25
well, somehow I have a lot of00:30:28
disappointment and it would be nice if it was00:30:30
corrected next season, the second season of the00:30:32
three body problem. I’m still waiting because00:30:34
I’ll repeat the series. As a result, I00:30:36
liked it and despite the first00:30:38
season, I still really like it I have a high level of00:30:40
trust in Beni Weiss because they are00:30:42
still very experienced and very talented00:30:44
and I am sure that if there is something to do there00:30:48
they will definitely do it and come up with it00:30:50
next time we will talk about the series00:30:53
which actually causes me00:30:54
much more excitement in different00:30:56
completely reasons, none of which00:30:58
is Andrew Scott, you probably already00:31:00
guessed that we are talking about a series00:31:03
called Ripley, this is also a00:31:05
Netflix project and there is a new black and white00:31:08
incredibly stylish adaptation of the story00:31:11
about the talented Mr. Ripley in a00:31:13
completely different way than the film with00:31:16
Matt Damon and Jude Law00:31:19
with other characters Well, I mean from the00:31:21
point of view of how they were played, they were00:31:23
invented The story is all the same And00:31:25
this is also very interesting to compare00:31:27
because Well, really It’s some completely00:31:29
different experience I think the series00:31:31
turned out great I’m just waiting -I’m looking forward to00:31:33
our discussion because there is so much00:31:35
that can be discussed according to tradition. We00:31:37
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recording it, our producer Elena Ryabtseva and00:31:42
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В чем отличие американской версии «Задачи трех тел» от китайской? Почему не все главные герои в версии Netflix выглядят достаточно убедительно? Во что вылились творческие разногласия между участниками съемок? И какие этические вопросы возникают с развитием сюжета? Лиза Сурганова и Иван Филиппов обсуждают (со всеми спойлерами!) сериал Netflix «Задача трех тел» продюсеров «Игры престолов» Дэвида Бениоффа и Д. Б. Уайсса — экранизацию одноименной книги Лю Цысиня об ученых, установивших связь с пришельцами ради спасения человечества. В следующем выпуске ведущие обсудят черно-белый сериал Netflix «Рипли» с Эндрю Скоттом — новую экранизацию классического текста Патриции Хайсмит «Талантливый мистер Рипли». А еще у нашего подкаста есть Telegram-канал! Называется «В предыдущих сериях» — подписывайтесь: https://t.me/previouslyon_podcast. В нем мы будем делиться интересными материалами по темам выпусков, советовать сериалы и выкладывать разные не вошедшие в эпизод фрагменты. Отзывы и пожелания можно писать на почту: [email protected].
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