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Well, the editor-in-chief of the TV channel Rain is

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our colleague Tikhon. Greetings to you. Yes,

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greetings. Good morning to everyone. Well,

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since today is almost our anniversary,

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almost because it’s our May anniversary, but we

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decided to sort of radio, remember the movie

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Election Day? We decided to start such an event a little in advance.

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You’re watching this

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happens to us Yes yes, I watch I really

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love your channel And it seems to me that you are

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demonstrating a very cool story, well,

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it’s like a cool story when when

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similar similar channels, and even more so

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popular channels, appear

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below

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you Well, that is, on the one hand, I’m

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watching you On the tube I subscribe to your

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telegra It helps me follow the

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news so I and you and the viewers gma

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Congratulations on your

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anniversary Lano

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has

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YouTube About the Russian-language segment this is

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often such a forced story, that is,

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classic Media Independently

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closed down moved to YouTube how does this

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generally affect the structure on the audience

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on the journalistic approach, again, this is what

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YouTube determines in this sense. Well, it

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seems to me that YouTube specifically

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determines it only by scale and

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volume and coverage, but in general, everything

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was determined

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not only by YouTube. But in general, the emergence and

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activity of social networks is so

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absolutely the basic thing is that social networks for

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journalism are an amazing benefit

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because they help make

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content viral, distribute it on the one

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hand, on the other hand, find people

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through social networks, this is all very

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cool, on the other hand, this is social networks. It’s a

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scary thing because anyone

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can do anything

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fake, for example, make it viral and

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spread it,

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and on the one hand, for example, when

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it started to rain in 1910, and we

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talked about the fact that in fact, with

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smartphones and social networks, every person

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becomes a journalist already. And

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now now, in order for a

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certain event to be covered, there is no

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you need to send

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a minibus, which means correspondents,

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operators, a sound engineer, a

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lighting engineer and someone else, this is one

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person and his smartphone and this is cool, but at the same time

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it is terribly dangerous and we

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have more than once witnessed how it is

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unclear who, it is unclear in which

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accounts,

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spread some kind of untruth which

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became which looked authentic

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and then some media took it and

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therefore,

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returning to that question, YouTube is just

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as dangerous. Well, YouTube is a great thing,

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especially for the Russian-speaking segment,

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and in conditions of censorship and repression. But at the

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same time, YouTube is also a dangerous thing, and

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because some popular people

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They

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uh, get a huge number

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of subscribers and then, for example, publish

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some kind of misinformation and take it all

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on faith because, well,

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because they trusted this

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person and there is no kind of institute of

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reputation for the editorial office to check the fact

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checkers of that this fifth ten this

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this does not exist Well, how do you, as a

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team, as an editorial team, try to

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identify and separate fakes because

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we are all human and it is clear that we are mistaken and I

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assume that you are mistaken, this is the

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main difficulty, say, of separating

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fakes from true information and where are

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these the traps are the most terrible What do you

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think? Well, it seems to me that there would be traps

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in the first place Yes, of course we were mistaken and

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this happened too Well, over the last 3

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years to the year that I was in charge of the editorial office of rain,

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this

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happened more than once five times seven times I

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remember I had to speak with

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some explanations from the school, apologies, and

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on behalf of the editors, this is happening and

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the chances for

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this to happen more and more often are becoming

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greater and greater due to modern

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technologies

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and all these deepfakes and so on. Well, the first thing

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that comes to mind is the recent,

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supposedly,

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speech of the former head of the National Security and Defense Council

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of Ukraine Danilov

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regarding the terrorist attack in Crocus where he supposedly

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says how cool it all is

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and then for example Another example is not a

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secret That our colleague Misha Kozyrev

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for example he became a

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victim of Ermak in quotes like

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many he talked about he

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did a column about it but then separately, he

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also told me terribly. It’s interesting

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how convincing it all looked

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and in reality, so I’m saying all this

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to the fact that it’s just that there will be

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more and more of this kind of thing, how to

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separate it. Well, it seems to me that in this

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sense nothing

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has changed. And the main thing is the

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following sometimes In general, in most

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cases it is better to think a little and

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wait a few minutes before

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publishing something than publishing without

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without checking without being sure that this is

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true, it is clear

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that we all very often try to run at

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speed to get ahead of a competitor and in

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general to be the first but sometimes the first one is not the

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one who released it first, but the first one is the one who

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released it, being confident that he won’t

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have to refute something later and apologize for it.

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We often do this too. Well, for

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example, we had a story: When in the

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twentieth year, when there were protests in

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Belarus after the elections and here there was

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a correspondent in Minsk and he stood there,

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meaning with the opposition, well, with the protesters

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somewhere, I don’t remember where, and some

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Dude came up and introduced himself as a doctor, he was

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still wearing a

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doctor’s uniform, and he says, I know for sure, that means

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he’s saying that died at the hands of the security forces,

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this would have been at the start of the protests, so

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many people I don’t remember 10-15 and our

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correspondent wrote it down and sent it to us

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during a special broadcast

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and it was broadcast after which

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subscribers from Belarus began writing to me that he was a

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famous charlatan uh, Minsky, who

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became famous for his

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all sorts of charlatan actions during Covid

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not long before And that all this was fake and

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had to be refuted, but it seemed to us at

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that moment that this was such

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exclusive hot information in the bad sense of

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the word that it urgently needed to be

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broadcast They put it on the air, well after that,

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after that they built a debriefing and

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realized what was better What was better What was better

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to wait a little and check with the rain

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Soon it’s almost your 14th anniversary, yes

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dadada will be fulfilled during this time And this is a

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whole story And in fact, according to the history of

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rain you can watch the history of an entire

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period of Russia, here’s how the channel changed And

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how did

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you perceive these changes You worked

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there as both a correspondent and a presenter And now

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you are the editor-in-chief That is, you went through

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different different periods with rain And how everything

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changed And how you changed during this time,

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well here this will sound pathetic But we

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changed along with the country And even this is

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not one period but several periods Yes, the

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rain

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started during the so-called

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Medvedev war.

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Then it means the rain

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continued during the repressive

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return of Putin, and then the rain

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continued on a new page in the history of the

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Russian Federation after the annexation of

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Crimea in what year, and finally, then the rain

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continued after the start of the

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full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the

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daughter is not at all what it was intended to be at the

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start of the TV channel, as they

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say General

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interest, where news is only one of the

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parts of broadcasting, not the main one, and news

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is rather a support what to everything

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else There was a lot of lifestyle in the rain

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and so he thought about a lot a lot

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a lot of content about

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culture about about some kind of

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relaxed, calm life, but then as

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the situation in the country changed, and in

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accordance with this, the rain also changed

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uh and this was absolutely predetermined

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by the team that created the rain and

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was

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uh and was on it from the very beginning these are

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people people of information information

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training and therefore the more the situation

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became uh more

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complicated and worse in the Russian Federation

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the more the rain talked about it and

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changed from channel

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in the direction of the socio-political

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information

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channel as it is now Well, in

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recent years it has been. As

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for As for probably the

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mood of some intonation Well, of course it’s raining

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And a lot of people became angrier

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became

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more radical Perhaps this should have

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happened

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earlier but it happened How it happened

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Therefore because

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it doesn’t exist separately from the context, you

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don’t know, it’s not like that, at some

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point we decided that let’s not be, but

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let’s be an information cam No,

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it just predetermined life Unfortunately, you

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can probably add here, but you

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remain about chann no matter what or

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this slogan is no longer very relevant Well,

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the slogan doesn’t sound very good, we are launching it

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here, everyone probably has their own answer to

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this question, but it seems to me that Well, I can

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talk about myself and it seems to me about

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most of the editors, of course, yes, it’s just that the

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Channel optimist is much more

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realistic

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la but we really believe in what we are doing

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we really believe in the people in Russia we

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believe that

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this is a

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terrible injustice and a terrible

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misfortune

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that millions tens of millions of

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beautiful people in the Russian Federation

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are being held hostage

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by not so many people in the

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hands of whom all all the resources in

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order to hold people hostage and Our

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task is

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to make our contribution so that this

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ends as soon as possible and

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justice

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for

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those who see Russia as a

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country, a normal country, a comfortable

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country, predictable in a good sense of the

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word, in this sense, we are in this sense, we are

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optimistic because we are very we believe in

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people and people are the main thing. But you

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said that the rain changed along with the

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country. Dmitry Medvedev Who

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came also

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pony nya yes from the man who said

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that Freedom is better not Freedom If I’m not

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mistaken, Mikhail Fish just said this

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Yes in an interview Or what am I no no he

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said this in some speech and freedom is not

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Freedom it was some kind of message he had either a

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message or not a message Well, in

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short, he came in the rain, that’s what

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happened to him and is it possible, well, this is

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some kind of trend these are people like

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Dmitry Medvedev, a person who was in

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the system but who even then

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seemed to be sincerely interested in something

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Western afo technology and so on,

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that’s what happened to him, I

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don’t have an answer for you, I would be terribly interested in

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you knowing the answer to this

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question because this is actually a question

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that can be asked about many We

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remember the famous photograph Dmitry

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Kiselyov fries Petra Poroshenko, in my opinion,

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potatoes with onions or something in

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Kiev Vladimir Svv speaks t As the

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main liberal all

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those now he knows in svom

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this one proposes to hang everyone

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Shoot everyone I mean that the question about

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transformation concerns many people but in

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relation to me I’m not interested in what

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happened there really He was sincere there

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or He is sincere now or he is now

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because of money or he is

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not VM not because he has some kind of

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incredible personality scale, but simply because

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it is such an amazing way from Well, this is

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such a radical transformation

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that I wonder where it is, as if he is

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crazy. At what point was he when he

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said Freedom is better than no freedom or

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now when he tries to be more

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Putin than than Putin

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And that’s why I don’t have an answer. I don’t know

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whether from the eighth to the twelfth year he

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played a certain role that we told him

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to play, or does it mean

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he was

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offended, scared, swamp, that he was not

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accepted and appreciated and supported and did

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n’t invite the

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Russian Federation with them Or was he

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so much

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punished by Putin that somehow all the people

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held rallies and Navalny and

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Rain independent media and so on That

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he had and still needs to

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demonstrate his loyalty God

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knows him Actually in fact, I just said

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first that I’m interested, in fact, it’s

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also not very interesting, all this, as if I

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remember that before, for example, when we

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had the program Rt In the rain, where

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they came. All sorts of high-ranking people

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there from politics from business very often

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the conversation was about that

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conversation. We asked questions and waited for

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answers in the context of,

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you know, trying to understand the psychology of the

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motivation of the people there who run

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the state. But now it’s no longer interesting

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because it’s just like,

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When you have a train running, you’re interested in

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how it functions, here it is, there’s an

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electric train, they put coal somewhere- then And

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when he fell

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completely autonomously, it doesn’t matter whether he

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’s going because this or he’s going because

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he’s already flying, flying into the abyss, we’re flying

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with him. Unfortunately, the motivation of

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these people is no longer of

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such interest. Yes, you can

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remember. There was a photograph Medvedev and

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Obama are somewhere there in Virginia Yes in Vir Well, it

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wasn’t McDonagh, some kind of burger joint Yes,

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burger shops eat these burgers But that means

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Medvedev squeezes out

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words that are completely inconsistent with his image and

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publishes, well, it’s interesting, but but nothing more,

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there’s more if we are talking about a certain

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choice of a program that I really

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liked In the rain it was Posner Parfyonov that

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came out in total If I’m not mistaken, several

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programs And now I understand that Pozner

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Parfyonov is two magnitudes of such

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Russian television, Soviet

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post-Soviet and so on, well, these are two

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stories Two destinies of Parfyonov who

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chooses this side Posner, who

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either chooses or doesn’t choose is completely

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unclear. I understand that now I’m addressing there

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are a lot of other stars who have already

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appeared and interviewers and so on, but

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nevertheless, do you remember this period

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when this program A came out in the rain

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and what there were expectations from her after all, and

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well, it’s hard for me to say, to be honest,

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because it was a period when

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I

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went on air in the rain VL. I left. I wasn’t

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very

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involved, I say this without

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judgment, I

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urge everyone to watch

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Misha Kozyrev’s interview that came out the day before. with

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Leonid Parn

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and of course it was cool besides the fact that

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these are two people with great popularity

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and a big name, one of them is still from the

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first channel, so look how

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he here allows something different than there,

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as far as I remember, this program did not

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have any - there are

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some mind-blowing episodes there, but

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he said that he was given a

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[music]

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choice of choice. Channel One is

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also indicative and gives an answer to many

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who still have some questions

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about the recent anniversary. I

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recently mentioned Misha Kozyrev. I

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recently watched with great

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pleasure the film Election Day

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A And you look at this film as

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something from another life Yes, Vasily

00:18:20

Utkin died Unfortunately, we recently

00:18:23

reported about this Mikhail Efremov in prison there is a

00:18:25

story there and there is a Quartet And someone

00:18:29

someone left, someone stayed But it was in

00:18:31

another life and yes, in front of everyone, but even there it’s

00:18:33

very good How the reality of Russia is shown in the genre of Satire, it

00:18:36

seemed that it could

00:18:38

be different, but it happened the way

00:18:41

it happened Well, in your opinion, after all, That’s

00:18:44

all was it heading towards this in Russian

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history, or was it not, or

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were there some other expectations?

00:19:02

we've passed

00:19:04

here I think that the last thing you need to

00:19:07

do is to do something, although

00:19:10

we all love it very much and I

00:19:12

love it. Nevertheless, I think that the last thing you

00:19:14

need to do is to do some kind of

00:19:17

constant self-reflection, it

00:19:19

was necessary so but no sk But it could

00:19:27

have been it’s

00:19:29

very sad and terrible that it

00:19:31

happened in exactly this way, in

00:19:33

some parts it’s not terrible, but we can’t

00:19:39

influence it now. Probably each of us, in one way or

00:19:42

another, determined that the

00:19:45

events at some crossroads

00:19:48

turned to where they turned and not in the

00:19:50

other direction now, accordingly, it

00:19:53

seems to me more

00:19:55

promising to work on

00:19:57

understanding how to

00:19:59

behave every day and

00:20:03

act so that when the

00:20:06

next intersection is We turn

00:20:08

in some other

00:20:10

direction, so I understand that this is an

00:20:12

amazing banality, probably what I’m

00:20:13

saying, but to me it seems that this is a

00:20:16

banality that we all need not

00:20:17

to forget about, and as for the film of the

00:20:20

film Election Day,

00:20:22

but yes,

00:20:25

this is the story of how at that moment it

00:20:28

was fun to watch, but now it’s not

00:20:30

very well, I mean, it’s funny, there are many wonderful

00:20:33

artists

00:20:35

and wonderful musicians

00:20:39

further but

00:20:42

actually understanding everything that happened over the

00:20:45

next 15 years E you realize that what what

00:20:49

what is this you know laughter Laughter With a

00:20:54

sad grin

00:20:56

xsh Russia that we lost

00:21:00

here is the question that came to my

00:21:03

mind were you able to separate yourself from the

00:21:05

Doge TV channel in general, they were able to separate

00:21:08

themselves from the past, that there is a future,

00:21:11

there is that point that was before and after and,

00:21:14

accordingly, you live in this new

00:21:16

reality and Well, you need to look

00:21:19

forward, there is this alienation from the past, well,

00:21:23

I wouldn’t say that it’s alien from the past. It’s just that

00:21:26

we are all who work

00:21:30

deeply, how can I say this, we are all very

00:21:33

traumatized by the rain because we have

00:21:35

been through a lot with the rain, starting from the so-

00:21:40

called blockade

00:21:43

scandal, all sorts of

00:21:47

moving and then the beginning of a full-scale

00:21:50

war

00:21:52

and the closure of Flight and moving to Latvia and

00:21:56

then from Latvia to Amsterdam in

00:21:59

just a very short time of our work In

00:22:02

the rain, a lot of things happened, both

00:22:05

good and bad. And in fact, it’s

00:22:07

just us if we keep

00:22:09

remembering how it was. Well, it was so that

00:22:12

we had a huge office at Red

00:22:15

October in Moscow and it was so that

00:22:18

ministers came to us presidents and others And it

00:22:21

was that we had sports programs, there

00:22:24

was a lot of

00:22:26

this friend, we will always be as it

00:22:30

was, then we will not be able to move forward

00:22:32

and therefore we I think we know

00:22:37

our past and we are grateful and

00:22:40

grateful to it, but we understand that if we don’t

00:22:42

we will move forward then we then we

00:22:44

will remain in that same past and this applies to

00:22:46

language and formats and presentation and

00:22:50

distribution issues, we are now very

00:22:52

much focused on YouTube, for example, given

00:22:54

that

00:22:55

we are on cable We have a large

00:22:59

audience on cable but we have to

00:23:02

somehow combine this because it

00:23:04

is clear that television language and television distribution

00:23:07

are different from what you do

00:23:09

in YouTube at least at the level there at the

00:23:13

editing level But understanding that we need to

00:23:17

move forward Or we will remain

00:23:18

somehow mammoths in the past we we

00:23:21

actually go there There and there we go How I

00:23:24

want to see Well thank you

00:23:26

very much for our today Yes thank you and

00:23:30

congratulations once again to your whole team and

00:23:32

all the spectators and myself too on your

00:23:35

anniversary Come visit us in Riga when

00:23:38

you will and come to the studio and a big

00:23:40

hello, thank you bye and bye Bye everyone

00:23:43

Thank you everyone we continue

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