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[music]00:00:14
salt hello today journalists00:00:18
spruce copper and I and if we present to you00:00:21
our selection on the topic of the Tokays and the ruling00:00:24
clans of Kazakhstan today many see and00:00:28
understand that despite the fact that the president00:00:31
I still received the fullness of presidential00:00:34
power at the cost of terrible bloody January00:00:37
events which, as he stated, happened00:00:40
as a result of some kind of conspiracy, however,00:00:43
to say that the head of state is absolutely00:00:45
free in his decisions and the main thing is that00:00:48
he is effective means going against the truth,00:00:52
Mr. Tukaev is probably still heavily00:00:55
burdened with some kind of obligations,00:00:58
or00:00:59
restrictions, or pressure, therefore the00:01:02
January confrontation from the streets it passed00:01:05
into a latent form of cleansing of the Augean00:01:08
stables of Nazarbayev’s power, which were00:01:12
inherited by the spirit; its00:01:15
first crushing blow was00:01:18
dealt to the system by the National Bank of Russia, which apparently00:01:22
was the stronghold and concentration of that00:01:26
very conspiracy about which00:01:29
the president keeps telling us about the arrest and employees of the National Security Committee to this00:01:33
day continue and the accused00:01:36
chairman of the committee, Karim Masimov, has already00:01:39
been presented to us as a huckster and speculator00:01:42
hiding in basements in dirty00:01:45
suitcases, tens of millions of dollars in00:01:48
cash and other material assets,00:01:52
all this, taking into account the track record of00:01:55
positions held and00:01:57
modern financial instruments00:02:00
that he probably used twice,00:02:02
the example of the country looks, frankly,00:02:06
comical and even somewhere cool, the00:02:12
next figure from the top level00:02:15
taken into custody is00:02:19
Nazarbayev’s nephew, Major General KNB oligarch and00:02:22
even public figure Kairat00:02:25
Satybaldy, and although a close relative of the first00:02:28
president is accused of corruption and00:02:31
financial violations as one of the00:02:34
owners of the national company00:02:35
Kazakhtelecom, however, connection with and you are a fool with the00:02:38
January events,00:02:41
this can also be traced in our00:02:44
issue, but for now let’s ask ourselves the question of how00:02:48
such a president is trying to come to an agreement with the00:02:51
Nazarbayev clans and what comes of it,00:02:54
because in Kazakhstan the clans00:02:57
decide everything review of the couple for Biden ago00:03:01
[music]00:03:04
the main thing is that everything decides so it was in00:03:06
sovereign countries, probably not so clearly convex,00:03:08
but it is quite clear that it is also in doses of00:03:10
confident Kazakhstan, well, as it00:03:13
will be now and in the future, the main thing00:03:15
is controlled, but still within the framework of00:03:17
agreements with the supreme arbiter,00:03:19
it is good if he has, as it were,00:03:21
unconditional authority,00:03:23
some kind of internal legitimacy in democracy, there is certainly a00:03:26
power resource, then the clans have00:03:29
framework independence, although all the00:03:32
political fuss is carefully hidden from the00:03:34
eyes of the voter, sometimes the arbiter00:03:36
conducts00:03:38
monologues with capitalists that are indicative for the internal user,00:03:41
as was the case, for example, in the summer of 2001,00:03:44
a few months before the memorable00:03:47
internal political crisis, I will do it with my own00:03:50
hands created for all these waters through00:03:53
legislation through support,00:03:56
they removed all the obstacles, all the inspectors in the00:03:59
thousands of hundreds, how many of them there were,00:04:02
they didn’t give this through the correction of the legal field,00:04:05
improving the judicial00:04:07
law enforcement system, we are creating all00:04:10
these conditions and I have the right to hope that00:04:14
it is your level that should become the main00:04:17
pillar of stability of this state and00:04:20
the main supporting forces of00:04:24
which the policy is carried out by me in the country00:04:28
because I am responsible for everything00:04:30
in this country, ours for everything00:04:34
where you did not happen00:04:37
gala my role here is another very00:04:40
indicative fragment of the monologue00:04:43
large businesses come to power from power00:04:47
comes to business but this is not means00:04:51
that there should be mutual penetration of00:04:53
business in the power of power in business, you don’t00:04:56
understand, isn’t it funny00:05:00
to look at this bitter cataclysm00:05:01
two decades later, we00:05:05
reforms,00:05:08
I said it again, I want to say completed,00:05:11
basically we still need to finish building,00:05:14
plastering00:05:15
and changing, making changes to the law and so00:05:18
on, we already need to talk about the fact that00:05:21
we have raw reforms in Kazakhstan about or00:05:25
political carried out economic00:05:27
carried out this is such a vicious eco-system of00:05:29
power and exclusively the material benefits associated with it, a00:05:31
management system but in00:05:34
no way serving ordinary citizens, that00:05:37
is, they are not subjects at all those who00:05:39
formally or actually vote for the00:05:41
political class and along the way turn out00:05:43
for its insatiable business structures00:05:46
for a reason, even the people of the system, albeit00:05:48
privately but still without mincing words, say they00:05:51
built and built and so they00:05:53
built some kind of absurd feudalism in the steppe,00:05:55
but they thought though if about some00:05:58
enlightened autocracy,00:06:03
it means that Akhtubinsky had to say the00:06:05
hair was created by this 3100:06:09
let's all stand while the closers00:06:12
[music] the00:06:15
vertical of the Kazakh executive00:06:17
power was built and shamelessly00:06:19
strengthened in exactly this way and now the00:06:22
heads of Kazakh families are moving into the caste00:06:25
changing composition as in in slow motion, it00:06:27
seems to the audience00:06:30
that this model of governing the country does00:06:32
not work at all without the first00:06:34
president, the country is filled with green melancholy00:06:37
until the moment Nazarbayev00:06:39
says I’m leaving, I made a difficult00:06:43
decision for myself to resign as00:06:45
president of the Republic of Kazakhstan,00:06:49
Tokayev’s successor is going to his elections under the poster there is00:06:51
continuity justice progress00:06:54
and the new official leader himself and all his00:06:57
three main words are alarming but00:06:59
most of all this is the notorious00:07:01
continuity optimists are waiting for Perry00:07:03
the format of the previous system of relations and00:07:05
strong over clan organizations but for00:07:08
this we need another worthy00:07:10
political class they, as they say,00:07:12
that’s all this is all a misunderstanding00:07:14
that is told and repeated00:07:16
on television, all the same banal and00:07:18
completely unworkable things that at the dawn of00:07:21
the century everything seems to be moving in the00:07:24
same magic circle, again the head00:07:27
of state repeatedly promises00:07:29
cranes either an economic or a political00:07:31
reset, then all at once and00:07:33
along the way, one more thing, again, a January00:07:36
meeting with Kazakh financial00:07:38
tycoons who sometimes seem00:07:40
frankly bored listening to the new arbiter, the00:07:43
country’s business elite has something to lose, but at the same time00:07:46
there are good opportunities00:07:48
for further expansion of the development of00:07:51
their business; constructive00:07:53
interaction between government and business00:07:54
creates a solid foundation for social00:07:57
stability, which in turn00:07:59
is the most important condition for the successful00:08:02
implementation of economic and,00:08:04
of course, political reforms, if you00:08:07
link your future with00:08:09
Kazakhstan, then you should invest00:08:11
your money in our country; this is00:08:14
your social and political00:08:15
responsibility to Kazakhstan; the principle of00:08:18
earning here, spending there already00:08:21
has no right to practical asus.00:08:23
Well, how will the balance now be maintained00:08:26
between different local groups of influence,00:08:29
their interests, who will be responsible and for00:08:31
what ideology who will be appointed to00:08:34
the opposition again, because the world around has completely00:08:36
changed and not after the pandemic, but00:08:39
after Putin’s Politburo00:08:41
started a war with Ukraine it is obvious that the00:08:44
president does not have much room for maneuver,00:08:46
if it can even00:08:48
be called open spaces00:08:50
[music]00:08:53
it is known that under Nazarbayev’s family was the00:08:57
main strategic center of00:08:59
governing the country, so almost all00:09:03
natural resources00:09:04
were distributed and sold through the00:09:07
companies of Timur Kulibayev’s son-in-law00:09:09
Rakhat Aliyev and Dariga Nazarbayev00:09:12
controlled internal politics through the00:09:16
security forces and captured the00:09:19
country's information field and also00:09:21
distributed key posts in parliament00:09:24
and government and so on, but00:09:28
there remains another important aspect -00:09:31
religion, which over the past decades00:09:34
has become a very important segment in our00:09:37
society,00:09:39
as you know, a holy place is never empty00:09:42
Against the backdrop of the deteriorating00:09:45
socio-economic situation in the00:09:47
country, along with the standard of living and00:09:50
level of education, the00:09:52
demand for religion increased sharply,00:09:56
various kinds of religious movements began to penetrate the country,00:10:00
new mosques appeared,00:10:03
madrassas and other religious sites opened, it00:10:06
is certain that the National Security Committee should have been involved in this area to00:10:11
monitor so that00:10:14
cells of radical religious movements do not penetrate into Kazakhstan,00:10:20
judging because Nazarbayev’s nephew00:10:23
Kairat Satybaldy was considered a certain00:10:26
responsible person for monitoring the00:10:29
religious situation in the country as00:10:31
part of his service in the KNB and also as an00:10:34
adherent of Islam and a believer, then00:10:37
he received control over religion in the00:10:40
country the question of how and in what direction00:10:43
this control was carried out in connection00:10:47
especially with the January events and the00:10:49
participation of international terrorists00:10:53
becomes especially relevant after the00:10:55
arrest of so the bald with the formulation of00:10:58
involvement in other crimes00:11:01
undermining the security of the state00:11:06
who was Satybaldy in the Nazarbayev system00:11:10
investigation Mir Asanova Mukhambetova00:11:13
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times it was the idiot who combined seemingly00:11:19
incompatible things: propaganda of Islamic00:11:21
values and usury, work in the National Security Committee00:11:24
and connections with criminals in the construction of a00:11:26
mosque and corruption, development of00:11:28
national sports and not a very good00:11:30
attitude towards its bearer, there is another00:11:32
dissonance, it seems that the person always00:11:35
stood up for the stand and the authorities said that the00:11:37
president post, he is00:11:39
now suspected of overthrowing this00:11:41
very government and the president to sell00:11:43
another president, but the essence does not change from this, during the00:11:47
breaks satybaldy was engaged in business and00:11:49
civil service, worked in the Kazakh or also00:11:52
I traded oil and the recruitment with the bank00:11:54
was included in the shareholders in the Caspian Kazakhtelecom00:11:57
ok also flashed scandals with00:11:59
smuggling and drug trafficking,00:12:02
what is the role of satybaldy in the January00:12:04
coup, the official investigation is now finding out,00:12:06
but we have the right to put forward00:12:09
our version by answering the main questions00:12:11
why now and why exactly he and how00:12:14
it happened that such a mind00:12:16
was unilaterally broken by an00:12:18
unspoken agreement not to touch family00:12:21
to understand the situation will look at the00:12:23
formation of our hero Kairat is the00:12:26
eldest son of Satybaldy Nazarbayev, who00:12:28
died tragically when the guy was00:12:30
only 11 years old, Bulat Nazarbayev became his guardian00:12:33
and Nursultan Abishevich would take the three-year-old under his00:12:35
protection. The00:12:36
beginnings of political ambitions, a way00:12:39
out of this bulldozer appeared at the end00:12:41
90s when no one knew about him yet and00:12:44
he himself bore the surname Nazarbayev at that time he00:12:47
was the head of the federation of00:12:49
national sports that he had already created, later00:12:51
he outgrew the political movements of00:12:53
the Mingaz there, however, the activities of this00:12:56
horn were mothballed by the admission of00:12:59
our hero himself, this was connected with the00:13:01
change in the political situation in00:13:02
the country, we are talking about the formation of a00:13:04
democratic choice sometime in00:13:06
the style of 2001 in the spring of 2005 ensk00:13:11
elections, Major General Kairat Kozhi with the00:13:13
support of the spiritual administration of Muslims00:13:15
registers the movements of the chord, then00:13:17
everyone started talking about him as a new00:13:20
political figure and even00:13:22
his uncle’s successor, but not for long, either he00:13:25
was asked for time or to help the00:13:27
president maintain power in another00:13:29
field that has a direct relationship with him00:13:31
than the entire00:13:32
National Security Committee and more hidden levers in the00:13:34
form of combat brigades in the National Security Committee. 30-year-old00:13:38
Major General Satybaldy was responsible for personnel00:13:40
but not only and not so much for full-time00:13:43
employees, we are talking about the satybaldy boys00:13:46
before the 2005 Nazarbayev elections,00:13:48
information appeared about impending00:13:50
provocations and pogroms if the opposition00:13:52
becomes indignant at the results of the vote,00:13:54
Almaty will be filled with flies and a friend will be in00:13:57
supermarkets and shootings of minibuses and00:13:59
torchlight processions of aggressively inclined00:14:01
young people remember at that time Satybaldy did00:14:04
not shine much in the dust, although00:14:06
for a long time he was the secretary of the00:14:08
Nur Otan party, and he also sometimes00:14:11
became an anti-hero in various00:14:12
publications, the most memorable00:14:15
was the year 12 when his name, along with the00:14:17
combat brigades, began to be associated with the00:14:19
massacre at the Arka, another genius, what did he do00:14:23
in this time itself with this Valdai, the thing is00:14:25
that the various around the power00:14:27
group, despite the fact that they are all00:14:28
united by the formulas of Nazarbayev’s entourage,00:14:30
had different functions of maintaining00:14:33
autocracy regimes, so the tandem to Riga Rakhat00:14:36
answered 8 and the information field behind00:14:40
one point fighting the opposition and00:14:42
freedom of speech Timur and his team00:14:44
controlled the flow of the law on00:14:46
hard oil dollars, another nephew of00:14:49
Nazarbayev, Akhmetzhan Yesimov, worked in00:14:52
the government and the quasi-public00:14:54
sector, right up to Samruk-Kazyna,00:14:56
there were also those who oversaw the power bloc,00:14:59
but they are for another time, but tomorrow the00:15:02
bastard was assigned another task, not00:15:05
so its obvious goal was to ensure the00:15:08
second stage of the transit of authorities, namely00:15:10
the drive to the hard drive itself, I’ll offend you,00:15:13
all three areas of his activity were useful here,00:15:16
these are the special services or ideologies, they all00:15:20
strangely united under a single00:15:22
supervision stones from the bulldozer00:15:24
from the end of the 90s he was ready to take control of the00:15:27
criminal system q and became a00:15:29
supplier of potential fighters, the main00:15:32
driving force of which was religious00:15:34
dogma, moreover, of a radical nature, on the00:15:37
same principle, through numerous00:15:39
cells throughout the country and especially in the00:15:42
south, unemployed self-employed00:15:44
youth were recruited; significant funds were invested in this,00:15:47
which were not spent on opening00:15:50
new jobs or what something like this, the00:15:52
construction of mosques and the00:15:54
provision of those same combat brigades with00:15:56
weapons, means of communication, their00:15:58
training and training, on the one00:16:02
hand, all of this, in addition to the training of00:16:03
militants, can be considered good00:16:05
initiatives, especially regarding raising the00:16:07
culture of the revival of national00:16:09
values and the creation of the so-called00:16:11
Kazakh inbi precision, but If00:16:13
we take into account that all this was done based on the00:16:16
needs of the regime, they were for good purposes, then in the00:16:19
end everything worked out for Kazakhstan and the people,00:16:21
and in the best way00:16:23
the same applies to the great work00:16:26
aimed at creating and developing the00:16:27
Turkic Union of00:16:29
Nazarbayev, in contrast to what is00:16:31
used in the Turkic Empire, indisputable00:16:34
the authority here comes not only from your stupid regimes, but also00:16:37
from families, but both nephews of Nursultan00:16:40
Abishevich and, first of all, Kairat himself have00:16:43
long been friends with the son of the Turkish00:16:45
leader Ninja media from Dag us, the00:16:48
Kremlin has always expressed dissatisfaction with the00:16:51
Turkic direction of multi-vector00:16:53
chords, let us remind you that00:16:55
Kairat Satybaldy was going to go to Turkey00:16:56
together with his 30-year-old son, armed, his00:16:59
uncle was waiting for him there, but he didn’t wait, literally00:17:02
last night he returned to the post, well,00:17:03
perhaps to intercede for his nephew, but00:17:06
this morning it became known about the00:17:07
authorization of the arrest of Kairat,00:17:10
we don’t know why he was fed up to possess, he was going there00:17:12
and moved lifan or his00:17:15
brother herself from or other close associates, but00:17:17
we have the right to assume that a00:17:19
meeting was planned there at which the00:17:22
future fate of the family was decided and, as a result, it is00:17:26
no secret that the previous regime does not want to00:17:29
give in to the new one, despite the fact that00:17:31
almost all family members lost00:17:33
their positions, the degree of their influence on the00:17:35
country remains that is, revenge on all00:17:39
fronts remains only a matter of time00:17:41
and the Valdai Garden army played a00:17:44
key power role in it when perhaps00:17:47
in a week or maybe in a month there00:17:50
may also be a lot of reasons, this is also00:17:52
expected against sky against00:17:53
price increases and dissatisfaction with understatement in the00:17:56
message and possible participation Kazakhstan00:17:59
in the peacekeeping operation in Ukraine00:18:01
cannot be ruled out, and the deployment of the00:18:04
Donbass scenario to our country in00:18:05
this case, the only internal00:18:07
force that could resist the little00:18:09
green men is the very same00:18:11
combat brigades of their satybaldy and stake in any00:18:14
case, only he urgently needed to00:18:16
deliver a preventive strike, protecting00:18:19
himself Zhanna Kazakhstan 1 the Kremlin from00:18:21
the return of Nazarbayev,00:18:24
it is clear that the current00:18:26
tenant of the chords does not have enough strength of his own, so he00:18:28
enlisted the support of Putin and, moreover,00:18:31
it seems that it was Moscow that00:18:33
gave the direct order to act00:18:35
decisively against the clan and the bass, and00:18:37
as a kind of bonus it00:18:39
received origin was there in May and the00:18:41
indictment the verdict and we are a00:18:43
patriot Donat on mo sba him and00:18:45
Margulan Buranbayev00:18:47
ares Satybaldy has become an open00:18:50
messenger to Nursultan Abishevich himself, we00:18:53
are dealing with the fact that 100 high went to00:18:56
disrupt preliminary agreements not to00:18:58
touch the family, apparently this is only00:19:01
the beginning, better soon we will become witnesses of00:19:04
pre-emptive so on other fronts on the00:19:06
copper empires of Dariga Nazarbayeva on the00:19:08
financial assets of Timur Kulibayev with00:19:10
precise strikes on other00:19:12
groups and wallets associated with the00:19:14
first president,00:19:16
well, tomorrow President Tokayev will speak not00:19:20
through the smoke with a message, but there is never an00:19:22
influential nephew became a kind of00:19:24
aperitif before a new package of00:19:26
political reforms so that the people00:19:29
digested it better and assimilated it, even some00:19:32
critics of the second president praised00:19:34
him for his courage, but in fact this00:19:36
was simply done for other00:19:39
security purposes to prevent00:19:41
his removal by force,00:19:43
whether Nazarbayev will have revenge or not, it will be00:19:47
difficult to say, but to paraphrase the words of the00:19:49
gentleman himself, let’s say 100 didn’t00:19:52
happen then didn’t happen until it00:19:54
happened00:19:55
[music] the00:19:58
fact that the influence of the Nazarbayev family on the00:20:01
country’s personnel policy was00:20:03
limitless00:20:05
is an indisputable fact,00:20:06
hence the logical question arises00:20:09
as to how acceptable the situation is today00:20:12
with those appointees of my members of the00:20:15
Nazarbayev family who occupy high00:20:19
government00:20:20
positions of responsibility, aren’t they00:20:24
exceptional executors of the will of their00:20:27
masters and whether we can hope for their00:20:30
responsibility as00:20:33
statesmen about this, we decided to ask00:20:36
one of the famous entrepreneurs,00:20:38
a member of the political council of the party, the intrigue of Oscar00:20:42
and Isaevich Umar, good evening, and soon00:20:45
Savich, hello, well,00:20:48
as you know, yesterday00:20:51
a relative of Nazarbayev was detained who probably00:20:53
had great influence on the00:20:56
placement of personnel in the state00:20:59
system, do you think it is possible in this00:21:02
situation, the aggravation of the struggle between clans,00:21:05
to leave this issue without attention? a00:21:10
significant figure for our politics and for00:21:13
our top leadership of the country, he00:21:15
knows the military rank of major general,00:21:19
[ __ ], high rank, statement,00:21:22
led, was deputy chairman The00:21:25
National Security Committee00:21:27
held high positions in the same00:21:30
and other torsos, which they recognize, occupied,00:21:32
they were such determinants of our00:21:35
economy in poured water and security00:21:38
forces,00:21:39
therefore,00:21:41
accordingly, of course, the work and the00:21:44
Nazarbayev system itself was built, the severity00:21:47
on the people whom we are talking about globe00:21:48
should have had such00:21:50
excellent qualities poverty is no exception00:21:53
and piracetam who deal with00:21:55
that personnel policy in our state00:21:58
is no secret to anyone00:22:01
regarding the fact that00:22:03
now after his detention00:22:05
if people00:22:08
ripped it off from Nazarbayev to the highest echelons of power of course they did00:22:11
not remain far beyond the limits of examples we00:22:13
don’t need to go we have00:22:15
living examples who are on came out00:22:18
in senior positions higher00:22:20
even in the state of rickets of the00:22:23
chairman of the Supreme Court, Mr.00:22:26
San, also 10 chief why am I telling you about this00:22:30
I’m doing you a favor from on actually on the facts00:22:34
which and the facts in the frame of the prince things00:22:37
problems00:22:40
let’s dwell on00:22:43
our Lord and and themselves already to Basanov,00:22:46
who is a writer for the Supreme00:22:48
Court, this is a direct creative00:22:52
erase in00:22:54
2005 after he was fired from the00:22:58
post of minister of the Ministry of Justice00:23:01
he succumbed to a private structure worked in the00:23:05
Kazakh utility networks of the president00:23:08
I will not be in leadership positions00:23:09
then in this river not some00:23:12
worked for a while and after that he moved to the00:23:14
chair of the head of the president and a00:23:19
member of the board of directors as a percentage of00:23:21
you and for the Ordabasy corporation there were two00:23:24
people, obviously it was crap Hamed00:23:27
Idrisov, the notorious point you are a big00:23:30
scandal with RBC Bank, then how where he00:23:33
was the son of a teacher and 2 carts to be00:23:35
punished dump00:23:40
after00:23:43
years of00:23:47
trust,00:23:50
this is unconditional after which it took place,00:23:55
he sends it to the00:24:00
deputies,00:24:04
that is, he confirmed00:24:07
his madness00:24:10
and after that00:24:14
he comes00:24:22
to00:24:25
the administrative power and stops and00:24:30
then miraculously00:24:32
becomes again,00:24:36
while this person has not carried out a00:24:40
single decision of the00:24:43
district judge of the00:24:49
area00:24:57
in this structure00:25:03
for00:25:06
closer and deloni00:25:09
nobly, as they say,00:25:11
worked safely until the last was also a secret of00:25:13
the covenant, security, that is, what does this00:25:16
mean that in the power structures of our00:25:18
country, and even more so in the power structure of the00:25:21
judicial system, there are people of the00:25:24
Nazarbayev clan, so to say that there00:25:27
will be some cardinal changes,00:25:29
dispute,00:25:30
our president00:25:32
has some specific levers for00:25:35
implementing these reforms, which he decided to00:25:38
carry out, that is, a clear definition of00:25:41
his internal policy, I think we will00:25:43
now try, not that the polycrat has00:25:45
big problems in this regard,00:25:48
inevitably court cases of relations00:25:51
with this volder they will now be here00:25:55
of course there will be a conflict of interest00:25:58
interest the person is obliged to the00:26:00
clan back he is a product of this00:26:04
clan in fact you look at the00:26:06
purpose of the00:26:08
rotation of asanas weeks the single was not00:26:12
noticed did not differ in scientific works did not00:26:14
enjoy authority00:26:16
among the scrolls as he was bran came00:26:19
then the structure of the Ministry of Justice00:26:22
there and about work for literally a year and a half, he00:26:24
has not gained fame, they are going through such a00:26:26
remarkable rise in relation to his00:26:28
person, this means that he is obliged to00:26:31
this clan and he will faithfully serve00:26:34
this chapter, and00:26:36
in the light of the situation when it will be unknown to00:26:39
undergo the investigation of impartiality00:26:42
when such people as Seryozha and00:26:48
ours, like the sediment, I do not rule out that they00:26:52
will not influence the course of this cannot be00:26:54
ruled out, moreover, the trial00:26:56
how they will take place, I will tell you that00:26:59
he needs to provide a high carriage and a00:27:03
cart of incriminating evidence fnatic, do you agree00:27:05
whether they will be used to00:27:07
rescue his dear nephew's date to00:27:09
wait is a huge question for us and I do not00:27:12
rule out that I will take what will be pressure and00:27:14
these people who once again let's00:27:16
repeat the castle they are00:27:19
products of Nazarbayev is not a guarantee00:27:22
that they will be guests of a passionate and in a00:27:25
civil society the game is necessary00:27:27
impartially we do not require an armhole00:27:29
requires correct trial of the essence is a00:27:31
fair00:27:33
investigation so that they are provided with a00:27:35
theme park to kill and under guilty or00:27:38
innocent the soup on the walls will strongly unfold00:27:40
on impartially00:27:45
each and00:27:47
there are to some extent the numbers that are00:27:50
scandal here to go about the case of Shchukinsky00:27:53
the essence of Aginsky who was released00:27:55
when to be a bearer of the city preset of the00:27:58
city court of the city of Almaty, it was00:28:00
a scandal of the department, he was accused of Chizhov,00:28:03
then he was released from the courtroom, after00:28:05
which he disappeared unnaturally problems, while00:28:07
they said a huge amount of bribes00:28:08
that were received by those people who00:28:10
contribute to the release, this person00:28:13
worked was accepted by00:28:15
our very opportunity as00:28:19
the chairman of the board for civil00:28:22
cases just recently here he was fired00:28:26
coloring that people are still the00:28:29
system itself, it didn’t leave a year ago, it’s00:28:32
just worth continuing to consult and a00:28:35
rose to our safe00:28:38
tomorrow there will be a message from the president to the people00:28:41
of Kazakhstan00:28:42
who need to indicate the future00:28:45
path and reformed our political00:28:47
systems of the cke company but I’m convinced that00:28:50
all these reforms00:28:52
economically and politically00:28:54
where they will have the desired effect and a00:28:58
reasonable continuation without reforming the00:29:00
judicial system, there is no need to go far beyond experience,00:29:04
please, for us, the00:29:06
countries of Europe, the United States of America, the00:29:08
strangeness of advanced democracy,00:29:10
which is really a huge attention00:29:12
and they are whitening their judicial system, but00:29:15
simply put the judicial power00:29:18
is really and the judicial system is00:29:20
also necessary, the systems of Germany and the00:29:23
United States of America serve as an00:29:24
example for those countries that have chosen00:29:26
the path of people's democracy, which have chosen the00:29:29
path of becoming flowers when a person, a00:29:32
human person, you become above00:29:34
all this person is a person, so00:29:37
here we have no other choice and another00:29:39
way00:29:40
without the court in the reform of the actor of the measured judicial00:29:43
system, I think and the heat of the reform of which00:29:45
will be designated hut fish zatarra00:29:47
declare they will not have00:29:49
effects and they are lower in essence by the00:29:53
judicial system thank you very much for00:29:56
such a00:29:57
meaningful conversation and we move00:30:00
on00:30:01
[music]00:30:05
reforms have been talked about for a long time, however, the00:30:08
Elbaz formula and first the economy, then00:30:11
politics, finally drove the political00:30:13
life of the country into the margins and we got00:30:16
that same corrupt system of00:30:19
comprador economy and a disenfranchised00:30:22
society, now the president of the Hays seems to be00:30:25
promising to straighten out this crooked situation,00:30:28
for which he first of all needs to break the00:30:31
clan power in Kazakhstan built by00:30:34
Nazarbayev for himself00:30:37
will it work out for him and what kind of00:30:40
political reforms will he propose tomorrow00:30:42
today studios and media Taganaya was killed by00:30:46
Lego brilliant political scientist candidate of00:30:49
political sciences director of the00:30:50
Central Asian Foundation for the Development of00:30:52
Democracy and an expert on the specifics and00:30:56
structure of the Kazakh government00:30:58
hello Tolan and00:31:01
here is our first question:00:31:04
is President Tokayev00:31:07
really going to not change the finger of the system?00:31:27
seriousness and he really00:31:28
might go,00:31:30
depending on the fact that it’s like he really00:31:33
started to have power now, if we look00:31:35
at 2000 and nineteen, he still00:31:38
demonstrates a different form of government and, first of00:31:41
all, most likely I think that00:31:44
this one will be guided by laws and00:31:46
directed it we already show00:31:50
and demonstrate this, therefore the00:31:52
management system that was created is00:31:55
absolutely not in line with00:31:57
his style, I think that this is00:32:00
discontent within the elite that00:32:02
arose as a consequence of the events of00:32:05
January, they are just that part of the00:32:07
summer and did not agree with his style of00:32:10
management and they did not fit into00:32:13
this style in any way and therefore I think that it is00:32:16
only possible that a change will be made, well, it00:32:19
would be good, but why do you think00:32:22
the president stubbornly insists on the version00:32:26
that in January terrorists attacked Kazakhstan00:32:29
in huge numbers and it is not00:32:31
worth it Isn’t this the case here? Isn’t this an00:32:34
attempt at an00:32:35
ideological justification for the struggle for00:32:37
power and the00:32:40
so-called conspiracy? If it was00:32:43
a conspiracy, then what ideology00:32:46
were the conspirators supporters of? We are talking in particular about the00:32:49
detention of Kairat Satybaldy as the00:32:53
unofficial leader of00:32:54
religious groups in Kazakhstan, what do you00:32:57
think if you are in this if in these00:33:01
statements, it’s true, I think to knock00:33:05
him, to call their attackers the00:33:07
attackers then terrorists is a more00:33:09
neutral formulation than calling the00:33:12
name by their proper names and who is behind it,00:33:14
and this more allows him00:33:18
to maneuver in this situation,00:33:20
designating certain people as guilty and00:33:23
but without naming the main thing perhaps the person00:33:26
who is behind this attempt, I would00:33:30
not call it a conspiracy because the people00:33:32
who, let’s say,00:33:33
are behind the events of January00:33:36
of this year, they understand perfectly well that a00:33:39
coup d’etat is not an00:33:42
entirely acceptable option, it will not be00:33:44
accepted by either external society, that is00:33:47
those people who will come after00:33:48
the coup d'etat, they may turn out to be an00:33:51
outcast and the external environment may not00:33:54
accept or recognize them, so they most00:33:57
likely, in my opinion, tried to00:33:58
discredit only such a00:34:00
leader and given the high increase in00:34:04
tension and00:34:05
discontent in society, they had to00:34:07
provoke his departure, their own00:34:10
departure and Then the fight would return to power,00:34:13
perhaps temporarily and00:34:16
for some specific period,00:34:19
especially since we had already heard from him before these00:34:22
events that citizens of Kazakhstan were turning to him00:34:25
asking to return to plastic,00:34:28
so I think that this was the scenario00:34:32
and it was justified the fact that in such00:34:36
publicity before, let’s say, he was considered00:34:38
as a weak politician who has no00:34:41
team, he has no one to operate on, and based00:34:45
on this, it seemed to them that it was00:34:46
very easy to discredit Tukaev, especially00:34:48
since 2000 of the nineteenth year he00:34:51
is the president of the country but had little00:34:53
influence, that is, he was created00:34:56
such layers were placed in front of him which he00:34:58
could not turn around and that is, I don’t think00:35:00
that it is very easy to00:35:01
discredit him, so I think that it00:35:03
was that the project was discredited but not a00:35:06
real coup d’etat,00:35:08
as I already said, the consequences would00:35:10
not be so good yes, for the return of the00:35:13
cocktail bass, so you are his supporters,00:35:15
was there an ideology behind this, I very much00:35:18
doubt it, I think that the main idea00:35:20
was the return of power to the Nazarbayev families, I00:35:24
think that it is possible to temporarily clear the bass and00:35:26
because he had00:35:28
certain powers of power and00:35:31
it is possible to appoint a representative from00:35:33
his family in relation to00:35:36
Kairat Asato Baldy and his, say,00:35:39
affiliation with certain00:35:41
religious groups, I connect this a little bit00:35:44
with other approaches, I00:35:47
think that this was one of the scenarios00:35:49
somewhere at one time, you know that his00:35:52
main idea was to maintain this power00:35:55
for life, we remember it is quite00:35:58
superficial approach or his creation of the00:36:01
Kazakh Khanate, yes, that is, the creation of00:36:02
such a collection monarchy, taking the example of00:36:05
Great Britain, to create from becoming a khan, we00:36:08
remember this idea was voiced at one time by00:36:11
Rakhat Aliyev and it was absolute, well, it didn’t00:36:13
come to court, society flatly00:36:16
refused to accept it, and it seems to me one00:36:18
of these possible There were options for scenarios, the00:36:20
Icelandic scenario, when in Islam00:36:24
there is also such a thing as before the arrival of no one00:36:27
holy until who runs the country00:36:31
and that’s why the participation of the bulldozer in00:36:34
this case, I see only as an00:36:36
instrument before such a coming and again to00:36:39
power of Nazarbayev, but I don’t see that they they00:36:43
really tried and there to create an Islamic00:36:46
state at that time because according00:36:49
to our law00:36:51
we remember the new law on religion when00:36:54
we clearly wrote that in Kazakhstan we are a00:36:58
secular state and our religion is00:37:00
connected with traditionally our00:37:01
culture, but the00:37:04
fundamental one is, let’s say, the pepper00:37:07
organizations that connected with Islam,00:37:10
they of course want the main idea to00:37:12
separate Islam from culture from the local00:37:14
culture and create a state00:37:16
that will be purely Islamic without00:37:18
any admixtures to those states00:37:21
that consider it Muslim there,00:37:23
too, to introduce Islam in its pure form,00:37:25
separating it from the local culture and00:37:27
so far this has not been possible or perhaps00:37:30
satybaldy is participating in this, it may be a00:37:33
global process, unfortunately I have00:37:35
no information, I cannot say this,00:37:37
but if we talk about Kazakhstan, I00:37:40
think that this is one of these, an opportunity00:37:43
to manage,00:37:44
but it is not the basis for00:37:47
ideologies for the conspiracy that we are00:37:49
now talking about, well,00:37:53
let’s00:37:56
admit that we got such a00:38:00
super clan system of power, we did00:38:04
n’t belong to such a system, but we accept that it is generally accepted to00:38:07
believe that not one of the00:38:08
known00:38:10
groups and00:38:12
at the same time remain one of our own among strangers,00:38:15
which is why Nazarbayev actually00:38:18
appointed him as his successor in the hope00:38:21
that he00:38:22
will be able to maintain some kind of balance in the00:38:25
ruling elite, but for some reason00:38:28
this calculation of Nazarbayev broke down and the00:38:31
January events happened,00:38:34
who do you think is00:38:35
disturbing the balance and why don’t you think00:38:39
Tukaev himself has upset the balance00:38:41
because you know of course we are00:38:45
ready as until I became president, we00:38:48
always considered you to be weak politicians,00:38:50
controlled by politicians and who00:38:53
plays everything, let’s say he taught to be loyal to Nazarbayev00:38:57
and plays by these rules, but when he00:38:59
became president and of course personally, my00:39:01
attitude towards this man as a weak00:39:04
politician changed because it is00:39:07
not an ordinary person who comes plastic,00:39:10
especially in such games that00:39:12
take place within the elite, and if he00:39:14
managed, despite all this rigmarole00:39:18
that was going on there, he managed to become00:39:21
president, I think that this is still a00:39:23
very strong politician and00:39:25
he plays by the rules, and it seems to me00:39:29
that this is exactly a mistake in history we00:39:32
know a lot of such mistakes when they00:39:34
came to power and the original ones put up00:39:37
food and appointed them as political subordinates, but00:39:40
then he remained boundless for a long time, and00:39:43
then Brezhnev, for example, that’s why00:39:45
I think it would be just00:39:46
such a person and that’s because00:39:49
he was just that outside00:39:54
the clans, this became a compromise inside,00:39:57
or that is, they all agreed on this00:39:59
figure because they knew that, as always,00:40:01
he was weak and this man has no00:40:04
team and he can very easily be taken to a00:40:06
hotel but removed and society00:40:09
treats him as a weak politician, but exactly00:40:11
this calculation turned out to be just00:40:13
weak; it seemed not so00:40:15
weak; politics; the calculation turned out to be wrong;00:40:19
how do you feel about the fact that Putin00:40:22
has a serious, large-scale plan to00:40:24
revive the union and then in the00:40:28
post-Soviet space, Kazakhstan is00:40:30
somehow included in the number00:40:32
important puzzles of Putin’s world order00:40:36
during the January events, only I didn’t00:40:39
leave like Akayev, the president of Kyrgyzstan, and00:40:42
didn’t leave his post, but fight for it00:40:46
with the help of Putin, who organized the00:40:50
deployment of troops about the accident, and also thanks to the00:40:52
strict order to suppress00:40:56
the unrest, isn’t the Kremlin playing a00:40:58
further role in strengthening power,00:41:01
such is the way through some kind of00:41:03
political technologies of selecting candidates as00:41:06
well as neutralizing00:41:08
possible de marches on the part of00:41:11
representatives of the elites who00:41:14
still lay claim to power. Well, firstly, in00:41:17
relation to his plan, I think that this is a00:41:20
dead end for the Kremlin because00:41:24
like us we are talking about the post-Soviet00:41:26
space, although we will already say a lot of00:41:29
protests against this concept according to the00:41:31
Soviet one, that we have been an independent state for 30 years already00:41:34
and it is unlikely that this is a00:41:36
post-Soviet space, but we are still all already00:41:39
independent and00:41:40
the resistance that turns out to be this00:41:42
space and shows that00:41:44
the revival is not the USSR it is in the00:41:47
option that it is not the way to propose it,00:41:48
it is simply not realistic, and00:41:50
Georgia and00:41:52
in this case Ukraine shows that his00:41:55
plan is untenable in relation to00:41:59
such water, I think that Tukaev most00:42:03
likely this is not an assumption, but I don’t00:42:06
know, of course, how long he will go further00:42:07
or to another, but I think that he will00:42:11
play according to the agreements that00:42:15
exist, if only he had addressed, but00:42:19
first of all, based on those00:42:20
agreements of which, if only they were00:42:22
written down, that is, you understand, we used to have the00:42:25
entire system, especially foreign policy, that00:42:27
was built on the personal connections of President00:42:30
Nazarbayev, but not at all on the rules and00:42:33
now Tukaev, if he wants what he00:42:36
says directly to caught, he must00:42:39
destroy these informal channels and00:42:41
build it on the rules on the principles of00:42:44
others on international law, foreign00:42:46
policy he can build on the external00:42:48
on international law and on those00:42:51
agreements is in dkb and if00:42:53
dkb states that Kazakhstan could00:42:56
apply and00:42:58
kb allows for odes, well, it kind of comes and00:43:02
helps, I thought that he was guided,00:43:05
she knows this, in principle, he will00:43:08
continue to be guided by these00:43:10
rules, but of00:43:12
course he takes into account since nothing yet has00:43:16
not changed, of course, he will take into account00:43:18
the rules of the game that existed00:43:20
before between Kazakhstan and Russia between00:43:22
Kazakhstan and Beijing because the first one00:43:25
ahead of this is these messengers00:43:27
who were his negotiations with Putin,00:43:29
his negotiations are knocking to from and with the leader00:43:32
before Beijing China, I think that this is before00:43:35
everything was connected by the messenger, as if a00:43:37
signal for those who tried00:43:40
to discredit him, which is that these00:43:44
two leaders support him and the sign,00:43:47
yes, that is, they support me and they00:43:50
support you, and I think that for these purposes00:43:53
he played very competently on00:43:56
these previous previous ideas,00:44:00
or else how long have you been building foreign00:44:01
policy with your nose? Most likely, I00:44:04
assume, of course, again, this is just00:44:07
an assumption that he00:44:08
will still build, and judging by the way he00:44:10
acted in Ukraine based on00:44:12
Ukrainian events, he will most likely be00:44:13
oriented toward the international right and00:44:15
his statement is very diplomatic and in00:44:19
relation to Ukraine why are we taking00:44:22
such a position before mention he said that00:44:24
he will proceed primarily from the00:44:25
internal risks of territorial00:44:28
integrity to Kazakhstan and the so-00:44:31
called language issue is important for him00:44:33
and on the basis of which he will00:44:35
make decisions and 2 and said00:44:36
Eurasian security since we00:44:39
are in terms of Eurasian00:44:41
security and based on this he made a00:44:43
decision to abstain from00:44:46
voting, roughly speaking, Kazakhstan00:44:47
supports neither side and00:44:50
these statements allow me to say00:44:53
that he will still be00:44:54
guided here on certain00:44:56
agreements on the rules prescribed in the00:44:59
law, that is, if earlier00:45:02
the leaders agreed nazarband00:45:04
agreed to build personal00:45:06
relationships and all these personal relationships, he00:45:08
tried to find some laws, and if these00:45:11
laws did not fit, they quickly changed to00:45:12
suit these00:45:13
agreements and they were proclaimed, then most00:45:16
likely this will be based on those00:45:18
agreements on these agreements,00:45:20
he will build relationships, this is00:45:22
my guess for now,00:45:24
so based on this, I think that00:45:27
this will still not be guided00:45:30
by the00:45:31
Kremlin, but he will play with them00:45:37
in public, he will play with them well,00:45:40
everyone is waiting Tomorrow's speech, such are00:45:44
you in three areas,00:45:45
this is an assessment of the January events, some00:45:50
results of an official investigation00:45:51
into them, this agenda of political reforms00:45:55
and which they have been saying for a long time, which00:45:57
such a thing has been promising for so long and have already00:46:00
managed to forget everything about it,00:46:02
and naturally everyone wants to know00:46:07
whether he will go ahead second presidential term,00:46:10
how deep is he ready to go in00:46:13
relation to reforms if he has such00:46:15
potential to carry out not only00:46:18
political reforms00:46:20
in general, how to try to reduce00:46:22
this growing dissatisfaction of citizens and00:46:25
negative influence from the outside,00:46:27
but a lot depends here if he00:46:30
fought in January even went for such00:46:33
unpopular grammy I cried attracted dkb00:46:37
and00:46:38
I took responsibility on myself and made such a00:46:41
decision as to shoot to kill00:46:43
I thought that he would go for a second term00:46:46
because if he did not intend to go00:46:50
on to remain in power, then he would00:46:53
discredit himself, he would resign his00:46:55
powers I would give power to those who00:46:58
claimed it, but judging by the way he00:47:00
fought and is ready to go to such00:47:02
reputational costs, I think that he00:47:05
will go for a second term in terms of reforms, I00:47:09
think that down as a mind and an intelligent00:47:11
person, he understands perfectly well what00:47:12
reforms he wants they are waiting, but it seems to me00:47:17
that he will express a very00:47:18
large-scale character because, after all,00:47:20
this is a person who grew up in the Soviet00:47:22
system and the Soviet system loves00:47:24
large-scale projects and he most likely00:47:27
announced these large-scale projects and00:47:29
yet we still have a00:47:30
society with a new generation but00:47:33
she and the purges are young, under 30 years old, and00:47:36
most of the population grew up00:47:39
on Soviet values, and they, of course, are00:47:42
also expecting some large-scale changes, and00:47:44
in order to satisfy their expectations, there00:47:47
will most likely be some large-scale00:47:49
reforms, but it seems to me that there00:47:53
should be reforms not large-scale, if we00:47:56
really want changes, then they must00:47:58
go step by step, and00:48:01
first of all, it seems to me, of course, it00:48:04
seems necessary to change how to00:48:07
carry out these reforms, announce these large-scale00:48:09
reforms and in the end,00:48:11
do nothing in our country, this has already become a practice,00:48:14
the norm, we have already We have heard many times from00:48:17
Mr. Nazarbayev about these reforms and the00:48:19
harm to him of the money than they came in. We00:48:21
need to change the meaning step by step and change the00:48:24
values, new ideas, what is this for, for00:48:26
example, it00:48:29
seems to me, first of all, about what00:48:32
they talked about today about the planned system, and what00:48:34
if we talk about the personnel changes00:48:38
about which he told him to understand that he00:48:41
needs a new personnel, but if they are not00:48:43
combined, breaking this00:48:45
informal system on which you build00:48:48
personnel until personnel recultivation and a process is being built to00:48:51
make a decision, if it does not00:48:53
break this, then you will have a separate personnel00:48:56
issue he is not Ivanovich will not give anything, that00:48:59
is, all these reforms they must be together in00:49:01
complexity,00:49:03
then the next question seems to me for00:49:05
me personally, this is what I expect from the currents, I expect00:49:09
proposals precisely from this breakdown, this is the00:49:11
system on which this system is built at the00:49:14
very top level has been tuned on00:49:16
loyalty to the leader and today we see00:49:19
that many continue this practice00:49:21
right there, for example, the ambassador in Ukraine to00:49:24
state that thanks to the task there, while00:49:28
he is engaged in his00:49:30
return to Kazakhstan, that is,00:49:32
it turns out that if Tukov had not said about this,00:49:33
he would not have been engaged in this way it00:49:35
is clear where something is necessary for his00:49:37
functions and mind, the abyss of Kazan00:49:39
could do such a thing in this, but why is this necessary,00:49:41
I’m not friends with such an expectation from this, this00:49:43
needs to be broken, or yesterday we see how the00:49:45
chairman of the Majilis presents the words,00:49:48
the prosecutor general again speaks on assignment00:49:50
another water, that is, half an hour, unless they were00:49:52
given the task by the Prosecutor General's Office, not00:49:54
when they remove themselves, the answer is possible, yes, that00:49:57
is, this culture needs to be00:50:00
broken and I am very interested in what00:50:01
will be offered, but at the highest echelon this is00:50:03
loyalty, this is corruption because the whole00:50:06
decision-making process and the whole process of the00:50:09
personnel’s reputation was built on corruption00:50:12
on connections at the lowest level, as a result,00:50:15
professionalism disappeared and00:50:17
nothing00:50:19
is said about professionalism today, if today we only talk about the00:50:21
need to recruit people with00:50:23
knowledge, but in our values,00:50:26
knowledge is identical to a diploma if00:50:28
you have a diploma it means and automatically a00:50:30
person means this is absolutely wrong and00:50:32
if we don’t break such values00:50:34
then these reforms will break down to their00:50:37
roots at once 2 points I need00:50:40
complexity I want me I expect from him00:50:42
complexity before these reforms if this is a00:50:45
complex carry their reforms00:50:47
this scale will not give anything; the00:50:50
second point seems to me to be the one that00:50:53
causes the greatest dissatisfaction00:50:54
of the population, and if we are talking today about00:50:56
discontent, there is a big split00:50:58
between the state and society and what the one00:51:01
wants to do for this is a very00:51:03
important point and for me it is very important00:51:05
to look what he will offer for this and00:51:07
the very one that was cool brings00:51:11
this violence, what were00:51:13
our states supposed to conclude,00:51:16
this is not only in our country and all over the world, the00:51:17
legitimate right to violence belongs to the00:51:20
states and, first of all, the law enforcement00:51:22
agencies, this is a law enforcement agency and00:51:24
today the abuse of this violence is on00:51:27
my opinion goes very very strongly and00:51:29
if we want to build a rule of law00:51:32
state, then I still expect someone to00:51:35
work on this violence should00:51:37
spell out clear levels where the00:51:40
state can use it.00:51:42
Today there is dissatisfaction only and only00:51:44
because he, from the outside,00:51:47
believes society abused this00:51:49
violence in the January events and this00:51:52
abuse continues further within the00:51:54
walls of law enforcement agencies00:51:56
who could not protect in January but00:51:59
now they are getting even 1 these people have00:52:02
not yet been tried and charged,00:52:06
these people00:52:08
cannot be considered guilty and they cannot be forced to00:52:11
report torture this this should be00:52:13
prohibited and00:52:15
reform of law enforcement agencies is needed,00:52:17
that is, until we change these00:52:20
conceptual things, these reforms will not00:52:24
happen, we need to change the meanings00:52:26
and the same attitude regarding00:52:28
security today, why am I talking00:52:30
because Tukaev is talking about00:52:32
reforming the military forces of the armed forces00:52:34
We have strength in Kazakhstan, conceptually we00:52:37
must use our wife’s strength for00:52:39
defense,00:52:40
so being in this concept of00:52:43
security in the Eurasian, as he00:52:45
says, what is it when Gaston, the00:52:48
most important thing is the military security of the00:52:51
state, if the state feels00:52:53
you care, well, let’s say you protected00:52:56
yourself with yours sides, that is, people who are00:52:58
about to feel00:53:00
safe, it is considered so, but from another00:53:04
point of view, there is another concept that00:53:07
safety begins with00:53:08
human safety, let if I00:53:10
feel safe in Kazakhstan from a social point00:53:13
of view, I have laws on00:53:15
certain rules, I comply, I can00:53:17
protect myself there are some00:53:19
cultural rights and freedoms there that I can00:53:21
express my opinion in the ass and for this I will not00:53:23
get a prison sentence like this when a00:53:26
person will feel comfortable and his00:53:28
rights will be protected00:53:29
only then the person feels00:53:32
safe corresponds to feel00:53:34
the security of the state this is another00:53:36
concept and a lot depends on when00:53:38
we will build and reform our00:53:41
military force, it is also very important to me00:53:43
what concept will be followed00:53:44
for now, if this will change this00:53:47
concept precisely from the point of view of00:53:48
human security and already reaching the00:53:51
level of states, they are on the contrary in this00:53:54
case, I think that we can expect00:53:56
serious changes, if there are no such00:53:59
conceptual changes,00:54:00
but only large-scale projects,00:54:02
that we will move over to the parliamentary form of00:54:04
government, that we will liberate00:54:06
parliament tomorrow and many parties are asking, then I00:54:09
will have little faith in such calls or such reforms00:54:12
because it all lies on the00:54:15
surface, that is Until we00:54:18
change such small things step by step,00:54:21
I think it’s very difficult to talk about large-scale reforms,00:54:24
that is, until we00:54:26
free a person and give him freedom, we don’t00:54:29
give him the right to create parties and we do00:54:33
n’t give him the freedom to express his00:54:35
opinion through a party, or just like that it’s00:54:38
simply unrealistic to talk about creating a party,00:54:41
so I think that we should00:54:43
start with these conceptual things, that00:54:46
is, first human freedom and then,00:54:49
as is already completely00:54:51
organic and the continuation there of the party of00:54:53
desire, we must have conceptual00:54:56
things of some kind,00:54:57
these conceptual new ideas things00:55:00
will appear in the state only in this00:55:02
case, when our education system00:55:05
is rebuilt, joy, why am I an enemy00:55:08
of complexity? If we are talking about new00:55:10
ideas about new values, then we should00:55:12
also talk about the education system00:55:16
because very often I see00:55:18
people who call themselves democrats00:55:21
and are not just democrats in words but00:55:24
when the time comes to make a decision,00:55:25
they act like authoritarian00:55:28
people, and this rhetoric of democracy00:55:31
disappears even in the most basic way. I was watching,00:55:35
well, here’s Kazakhstan, and I’m watching how the00:55:37
state channel is, it’s very interesting00:55:39
what they are promoting and they were talking00:55:42
about the language topic, what needs to be talked about00:55:44
language positively, and the most00:55:46
interesting thing is that they didn’t promote a certain civil00:55:50
movement that writes to various00:55:52
organizations politely asking to switch00:55:55
to the Kazakh language, you understand the question is not00:55:58
politeness, yes, or the Maidan, and we00:56:00
said that it’s aggressive, but the question is not that, the00:56:02
question is that somehow the Maidan is00:56:04
like that these young people who00:56:07
behaved based on pressure, that there00:56:10
is pressure there, that there is00:56:11
pressure here, and from the fact that they politely00:56:14
speak to you for a long time in Kazakh and I will tell you00:56:16
rudely, the meaning will not change,00:56:19
and these people should be considered democrats00:56:21
because they speak politely and these00:56:23
cannot be read as authoritarian to the bad00:56:26
because the mechanism of pressure remains00:56:29
and until we mill these things out, we won’t00:56:33
say and change to talk about we00:56:36
are going and the edge of democracy is very yes,00:56:38
well, premature to put it mildly, clearly00:56:42
there are such markers of the plan that00:56:45
let us not clearly not specifically, but they still00:56:47
indicate that it is acceptable that the leader of a00:56:50
particular country is a00:56:52
supporter of democracy,00:56:55
for example, such markers as00:56:58
political inclusion or the00:57:02
participation of women in the political life of00:57:05
the country, but not just participation there as00:57:07
some kind of00:57:10
rally participants and so on, namely in00:57:13
the system of public administration, that’s00:57:15
how you think Tukaev is as a person00:57:20
who00:57:21
came to power and everyone said, many00:57:25
said that he is an00:57:27
adherent of pro-Western and Western00:57:30
values, so he hasn’t lost this luster,00:57:32
what do you think, are these00:57:35
initiatives but those the very markers about00:57:39
which I said00:57:41
we are waiting for these decisions from him that he for00:57:45
now says to me that he00:57:47
will still repent in the direction of democracy, well,00:57:49
maybe by Soviet methods, yes for now,00:57:50
but the fact that his management process is there, that00:57:54
is, since 19 somewhere what we have00:57:56
observed until today is this00:57:59
dissatisfaction inside the fly than what arose00:58:01
they were waiting for decisions from him,00:58:03
everyone was waiting because they were used to00:58:05
fun makes a decision comes down and they00:58:07
just act here, on the contrary,00:58:10
the attack was waiting for decisions from them when they00:58:12
bring him decisions and will be00:58:15
responsible for these decisions00:58:16
to implement them, but not everyone turned out to be ready00:58:19
for this management system and they00:58:21
began to irritate, let’s say, they don’t00:58:24
make a decision for days, and this is00:58:27
what his management style is, bring me00:58:29
your ideas, I appointed you as minister, so I’m00:58:32
waiting for some ideas from you for me allows me00:58:35
to say that after all, maybe we00:58:36
will move towards democracy, but00:58:38
maybe about political00:58:41
inclusion, it’s not there yet00:58:44
if you look, let’s look at00:58:45
state TV channels, this policy00:58:48
is only the president of the country,00:58:50
other political subjects don’t even00:58:53
appear, thank God now,00:58:55
more or less they say something, of course, for00:58:57
example, I watched Kazakhstan again,00:59:00
I watch, and in the Kazakh language, I’m very00:59:01
interested in what the Kazakh-speaking people are saying, and the00:59:03
press, for example, that there were00:59:06
protests and rallies during00:59:09
March 8th, this didn’t happen, that is, I didn’t00:59:11
see it, but They are trying00:59:15
to voice some questions, but very delicately, but again, it’s00:59:19
as if we don’t have any other subjects, we do00:59:21
n’t have other parks, we00:59:23
have civil society, yes, we have00:59:26
feminists and there is nothing in the political sphere,00:59:29
and that’s exactly what political inclusion00:59:32
means about the fact that we include everyone, yes00:59:35
yes, and unfortunately this is not00:59:38
included in Liza yet, we don’t have00:59:41
inclusion, unfortunately, they are perceived as00:59:43
people with disabilities, and00:59:45
today this is also a good thing, that00:59:47
today they already want to include in parliament a00:59:50
certain kuwait of people who are00:59:53
inclusive features so that they00:59:55
participate in the decision-making process,00:59:57
this is also very good, but this is only a00:59:58
small part; we have a common society,01:00:01
diverse, different different social01:00:04
groups, and so far they are not represented,01:00:06
so we talk about political01:00:08
and we have very early on the01:00:10
participation of women in our country again if we are01:00:15
talking about conceptual ideas, we have,01:00:17
well, a patriarchal model before01:00:19
management or culture when in which01:00:23
there are several principles, this is power, who01:00:25
came here needs to know about this, who01:00:28
has power 2 this is a hierarchy and01:00:30
clear boundaries, suddenly, but the husband is this is01:00:34
not allowed and01:00:36
through the prism of this, when we look01:00:39
at a woman before we have this here, any01:00:42
active woman is perceived01:00:44
as a struggle with men for power,01:00:46
even if a woman says that I don’t01:00:49
want to stand in the kitchen, this is the same struggle for01:00:51
power by a man, in fact this is it01:00:54
flax giblets model if we are already talking01:00:57
about a democratic model there is no concept of01:00:59
power and when a woman drills she01:01:01
fights purely for her rights to01:01:03
be heard and when a woman wants to01:01:05
go to parliament for a democratic01:01:08
point of view she wants to be heard01:01:11
because in our country for example Kazakhstan all01:01:13
laws or all government programs are01:01:16
adopted by men, but a man01:01:20
cannot become a woman, he01:01:22
will never harm women and he01:01:24
will never know her problems, even if the husband’s01:01:26
wife lives together, the husband still does not know01:01:29
what the wife thinks and what problems she01:01:31
faces when and when01:01:34
decisions are made on the social01:01:35
program, there is a share of women and if they are not01:01:38
taken into account, men will not take them01:01:40
into account anyway, but in our country,01:01:43
why should women take01:01:46
part in this way? Women should be about their01:01:47
problems and when a program is developed,01:01:49
it should also take into account the women’s01:01:52
problem before in addition, women are not the01:01:54
same, all women have different auras,01:01:58
different women have their own social experience and01:02:00
therefore different women should be01:02:02
represented in parliament in order to01:02:04
express their attitude, show01:02:07
their problem, I am facing01:02:09
problems here and how can the state solve01:02:12
my problem, after all, this is a revolt of large families01:02:15
mothers and yes, because their interests were absolutely01:02:20
not taken into account and until now the most01:02:23
vulnerable social group that is01:02:24
not voiced at all is a mother with a01:02:27
small child, but in our country it is01:02:30
not customary to talk about this at all;01:02:36
who was just01:02:40
born and will be given up to three years, this is a01:02:43
very good thing to provide, but it01:02:46
is not paid in any way, this is the most socially01:02:48
vulnerable group, and today it is01:02:51
necessary for women to be present and01:02:54
this quota of 30 percent is given precisely01:02:56
so that women from different01:02:58
social groups are there participated, but01:03:01
not in any way in the struggle with men for01:03:03
power, but it is precisely the patriarchal01:03:05
optics that allows us to describe this01:03:09
struggle of a woman for her rights precisely as01:03:12
rights, as a struggle for before against against01:03:16
a man, and today there is an attempt, she01:03:19
again started the Kazakhstan channel, I01:03:21
probably propagandize it01:03:22
there is a program in the01:03:25
sphere of a woman or translate it into a fairy tale01:03:28
for me, too, she presents it as a new01:03:30
look at a woman, there is nothing absolutely01:03:33
new there, again there is propaganda about01:03:36
what a good woman is who is married to01:03:39
whom you are traveling and who still manages to01:03:42
work one joint, and what do these01:03:45
women have to do with there are a lot of people watching us from these high stands in01:03:49
Kazakhstan, let’s say,01:03:51
she speaks herself and a good woman01:03:54
is a woman who became a mother, who01:03:57
got married and there stands behind a man, in01:04:00
this case, my question is why, yes,01:04:03
that’s what’s new with this program, there is01:04:05
no hope for us Again, there is01:04:07
propaganda that the patriarchal01:04:09
system is here, if we are talking today about01:04:12
updating the heat to a constant, we must01:04:15
start simply with these things, and01:04:17
only after our programs sound like this01:04:21
can we already talk about01:04:23
evaluating this, we will go to 40 democrats01:04:25
or we will create a husband again the illusion01:04:28
that was during the period,01:04:30
convey to those who have turned you, thank you01:04:33
very much for such a detailed conversation,01:04:35
today in our studio there was a very01:04:39
professional analyst Palana killed01:04:42
Aliyeva and I thank you for01:04:46
being with us please subscribe to01:04:48
our channel, we will continue to try01:04:51
for you date01:04:54
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Насколько успешной может быть перестройка политической системы в Казахстане, если проблема влияния клана Назарбаева во власти не будет решена? Токаев и борьба кланов – политическая повестка в стране. Арест и выдвинутые обвинения в коррупции и причастности к преступлениям, подрывающим безопасность государства (возможно, имеется ввиду организация кровавых январских событий в Казахстане), влиятельного племянника первого президента РК – Кайрата Сатыбалды является началом вытеснения клана Назарбаева из политической и экономической сферы в стране? Какие персоны, занимающие высокие государственные посты, могут оказать сопротивление Токаеву и его обещанным реформам, почему и в каких обстоятельствах Токаев отдал приказ «стрелять на поражение» в январских событиях и связано ли это с наличием реальных террористических группировок, которые могли быть организованы кланом Назарбаева – обзоры, комментарии, интервью… _______________ #ELMEDIA в социальных сетях: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Instagram https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Telegram https://t.me/elmedia_kz
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This feature is available in the UDL Helper extension. Make sure that "Show the video snapshot button" is checked in the settings. A camera icon should appear in the lower right corner of the player to the left of the "Settings" icon. When you click on it, the current frame from the video will be saved to your computer in JPEG format.
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