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hello welcome to Open box TV00:00:13
in July hello hello Claude you00:00:16
are in great shape another00:00:18
geopolitical mission but perhaps00:00:21
still with an individual00:00:25
but I know it will still be00:00:27
exciting I have no doubt I00:00:29
I hope so for our listeners, so as not to00:00:32
hide anything from you, I have been struck for00:00:35
some time in France but also00:00:37
in Europe and especially in France00:00:40
by the fact that we only talk about00:00:42
renewables and import00:00:44
shale gas from the United States. price four00:00:46
times higher than the price at which00:00:48
Americans pay it so as a little00:00:50
special which raises questions and00:00:53
besides that then the renewable00:00:56
occupies all the thoughts in everyone00:00:58
saying the sustainable is the future and00:01:01
so I Among the people I know00:01:03
Jean-Jacques Croissant well who is a00:01:06
gas and oil specialist and00:01:08
so when I had a recent discussion00:01:11
with him I realized that00:01:13
obviously the rest of the world had00:01:16
nothing to see with his intended in Europe00:01:19
and the States in Europe in particular and00:01:21
I said to myself we absolutely must00:01:22
make you understand what makes this past00:01:24
because I have the impression that we00:01:26
are diving into a00:01:28
renewable which does not does not work or very00:01:31
little and that during this time other00:01:33
countries are preparing a00:01:35
considerable development in terms of00:01:38
so-called fossil energies so I think00:01:39
it is worth looking at this seriously00:01:42
outside of any ideology outside of00:01:44
any blockage outside of any vision00:01:46
on the future let's00:01:49
face reality so that's why I lived00:01:52
Jean-Jacques Royan whom I salute thank you00:01:54
for agreeing to come it's a great00:01:56
pleasure especially when we have to talk about00:01:58
subjects a not very difficult exactly and00:02:01
there I think who can better than you00:02:03
tell us exactly what is00:02:05
happening if only in the00:02:07
producing countries for our societies there00:02:10
is still a lot to do because00:02:13
we are going to say our scientists have carried out00:02:15
studies and by 2050 we will still00:02:19
need 50%00:02:21
of hydrocarbons to generate our00:02:24
energy given that00:02:26
global consumption is increasing very quickly because00:02:29
every day we need a little00:02:31
more energy well in 2050 there00:02:34
will still be 50% of all00:02:36
energy production which will come from00:02:40
so we must continue on this path00:02:42
because otherwise we will break down and00:02:44
that is a little bit what we had00:02:46
feared these lately it's that00:02:49
by talking about glass we've forgotten what we00:02:53
put in our cars and00:02:55
everything else so I think we have to00:02:56
go back to figures but00:03:00
real figures and not political figures00:03:02
there still has a lot to do in these00:03:04
professions I spent my life in the00:03:06
producing countries of North Africa and the00:03:09
Middle East and these countries00:03:11
are still thinking about developing what they00:03:14
have so they are also00:03:16
ready to develop00:03:18
new energies since they are going to00:03:20
need it and then it is perhaps also a00:03:22
way to give ourselves a good00:03:24
image and then perhaps to make00:03:26
some savings solar power in00:03:28
Saudi Arabia yes it still works better00:03:30
than 'in Normandy sorry for the Normans00:03:32
but it also works in Morocco since00:03:36
Morocco the power plant wins central which will00:03:38
have to the south00:03:40
it obtained a shot of00:03:42
energy production lower than French nuclear power00:03:44
so it works in certain00:03:46
cases in certain cases no renewable00:03:49
works very very well yes but00:03:52
today you mention Morocco but00:03:53
Morocco continues to import00:03:55
petroleum products from elsewhere00:03:56
absolutely because they have a small00:03:59
production it has been a theme for a very00:04:01
long time it is to say ah but in any00:04:03
case the tablecloths dry out there are00:04:05
less and less capacity pots00:04:07
what is really serious about that00:04:09
then there was a term it is in00:04:11
the current state of science that is what00:04:14
which we can judge as a reserve in00:04:17
the current state of science but00:04:19
science is progressing every day and especially00:04:20
in these professions because there is still00:04:22
money at stake therefore the00:04:25
companies very specialized in00:04:27
research and in production have00:04:29
new technologies and we are00:04:30
still able to do much better I00:04:32
will take a single example00:04:34
Saudi Arabia until now it was00:04:36
content with conventional products00:04:38
and there it is starting to develop gases00:04:41
and oils a little more00:04:44
difficult a little more difficult but we00:04:48
know how to do it properly because00:04:49
since the time we have tried the00:04:52
Americans then we have criticized them a lot00:04:53
with gas and shale oil00:04:55
but with all that they have earned in00:04:57
money they have developed their00:04:59
technology and today we are00:05:02
shown more on television what00:05:03
we were shown some time ago the00:05:06
damage00:05:10
is not over but it is still00:05:14
progress and with these new00:05:16
technologies Saudi Arabia has said we00:05:18
are going to bring these technologies and00:05:20
then we are going to try to develop them00:05:22
at home for the guys we are going to say00:05:24
toxic with H2S and all there we have00:05:27
French processes we were the00:05:29
first to develop these processes and00:05:31
with this toxic gas we in fact00:05:33
normal gas so there are still00:05:36
things to do and Saudi has a huge00:05:39
project to develop new00:05:41
huge fields and when you take00:05:44
all the countries in the area I00:05:46
spoke about they are all projects of00:05:48
development so yes they are going to do00:05:49
renewables what we said00:05:51
earlier they have money for00:05:53
money they have a lot of money00:05:57
since we have to tell the truth and the00:05:58
more we say the less they will consume00:06:01
their oil products the more they00:06:03
will be able to export to us so on00:06:04
Algeria do you think00:06:07
that today with the stocks is00:06:09
that behind the current stocks00:06:11
save the current deposits which are00:06:13
running out they have another capacity00:06:15
in opinion of other potential deposits00:06:17
which would allow them to continue00:06:19
because it is very important to00:06:20
save it00:06:22
there is perhaps also an00:06:24
organizational problem there was00:06:27
overproduction for a time there it is00:06:29
starting to decline well it we have to00:06:30
reinvest we have to work and we will00:06:32
say that the authorities have perhaps had00:06:34
some problems so you will think00:06:36
that well by making investments00:06:39
of course the required investments it00:06:41
will continue to be an00:06:43
important producer our specialists say that they00:06:45
have huge reserves they also00:06:47
focus on production with modern means00:06:51
I will say in the early days we00:06:53
recovered 10% of what we had00:06:55
identified today we still manage to00:06:57
recover much more on00:06:59
most fields with00:07:00
new technologies but we have to00:07:03
decide on the projects on the plan00:07:05
so if we look at the means we come back00:07:07
to the Middle East at the level of00:07:09
Saudi Arabia but there are plenty of other00:07:10
large countries00:07:12
when we cite Iraq we say that it is one00:07:14
of the first countries with the largest00:07:16
reserves in the region, so now they00:07:18
have to agree on00:07:21
who does what inside the country and00:07:23
how we can do it if we take if00:07:25
then at the end of like you said it00:07:26
for Iraq if we take Iraq for00:07:28
example we know that there are00:07:30
considerable reserves that they are poorly00:07:31
exploited it is less that we can say00:07:33
today are the States or the00:07:35
companies elsewhere or the large00:07:37
companies or together are they00:07:39
capable of developing00:07:41
to relaunch everyone to try00:07:43
to go to Iraq how many 4-5 years ago00:07:46
now to negotiate the new00:07:48
contracts that n 'didn't give much00:07:50
you know that there are also00:07:51
internal political problems so00:07:53
Kurdistan South North and all that so00:07:57
people have not yet agreed well00:07:59
to develop the future but they have00:08:01
reserved standards and in addition they have00:08:03
engineers of very high quality I00:08:06
recognize that00:08:07
the Iraqi Iraqi engineers00:08:10
the organization must work with00:08:13
and that is not the case today but00:08:16
there is there is a future in that and00:08:18
I have known00:08:19
the 'Iraq under others00:08:22
where there was a leader with a somewhat00:08:25
special head on the other hand who had launched00:08:28
a development plan something00:08:30
extraordinary and well we do we00:08:33
continue to do a little to go around00:08:34
because then we talked about the00:08:36
Middle East we could have talked about00:08:37
Qatar too00:08:38
everyone there are projects00:08:41
everywhere there is money everywhere00:08:44
it is a country which is developing in00:08:46
such an extraordinary way it is very00:08:48
small00:08:49
as everyone knows that Qatar's gas00:08:53
is partly under Iran finally00:08:54
it's the judgment00:08:59
one cubic meter good they have to give money00:09:01
in front so for the moment00:09:04
what you say there is I believe my00:09:07
knowledge there are few people who know the judgment is rather on the side of00:09:10
Iran so he pays Iran no matter what people00:09:12
say he gives00:09:14
food royalties in return for the fact00:09:15
that they take their gas that's good,00:09:17
they have agreed00:09:19
we are in agreement but it's00:09:21
interesting because we don't00:09:22
often talk about these things Qatar is00:09:24
ultimately in an excellent relationship with00:09:26
Iran which shows clearly that in00:09:27
politics and geopolitics we must00:09:30
be realistic and factual because otherwise00:09:33
we do not understand what is happening if we00:09:35
believe that we are following ideology, it is because we00:09:37
have understood nothing,00:09:39
I say that. is a00:09:40
particular comment that I allow myself to add00:09:42
the dance of there as in the other but00:09:45
I would like to come back to something00:09:46
which is in the process of being placed which00:09:47
seems very interesting to me00:09:49
it is all these movements at the level of00:09:51
oil and gas moreover00:09:54
between China and Russia00:09:57
if you know these files of00:10:00
course how you see how it is00:10:02
happening because we have the impression the00:10:04
Russians because they no longer supply00:10:06
Europe are playing the 'India00:10:08
and China I am told that there is a pipe00:10:11
that is being made between00:10:12
Russia and India in rapid succession I am told00:10:16
that the Chinese are more and00:10:18
more interested in everything that is happening in Siberia00:10:19
where we are seen by an oil tanker a00:10:23
gas tanker so a man a man of the00:10:24
trade what a man of the art as they00:10:26
say no but in any case00:10:28
Russian production will continue and to00:10:31
sell their products well they found00:10:33
other intermediaries we will say00:10:36
but in France we will buy00:10:39
oil in India and then we will buy00:10:41
oil in China which does not come from00:10:43
them which comes from elsewhere it comes00:10:44
from Russia for example for me that is what 'I00:10:46
was told that currently the oil we00:10:48
buy in India is Russian oil,00:10:51
we are more expensive and so much the better the Indians00:10:54
are taking advantage of this, is it00:10:57
very reasonable, listen, there are00:10:59
companies trading00:11:01
petroleum products you should ask them the00:11:04
question where do you buy your product00:11:06
etc. is it first hand00:11:09
second hand or otherwise are there00:11:11
mixtures also which are made so00:11:13
that 'we can clearly identify the00:11:15
origin of this product00:11:17
for the auditors I would say that for00:11:19
professionals like Mr. Royan00:11:22
we are able to know by analyzing an00:11:25
oil an oil or a gas we are00:11:27
able to know where it was extracted00:11:30
from provided which is not had mixtures00:11:32
and things which are00:11:33
obviously more difficult but today we are00:11:35
very precise on this but00:11:36
I tell you the commercial00:11:39
trading system and something very00:11:42
difficult to understand but effective00:11:44
it seems yes we have them every day00:11:46
so we are not going to complain00:11:49
are investments in00:11:51
gas and oil today in all00:11:53
these producing countries developing00:11:56
in stagnation how is it happening are there00:12:00
very interesting medium and long term forecasts ultimately00:12:03
are they exploiting the00:12:04
current production where they are investing00:12:07
to further improve things then00:12:09
there was a slowdown we talked about00:12:11
it earlier there was a00:12:13
slowdown for two or three years there00:12:15
because no one knew where we00:12:17
were going but now apparently it has started again00:12:18
so they voted on budgets in an00:12:21
extraordinary way yes so in terms00:12:24
of all these00:12:26
producing countries you see strong00:12:29
investments so with one objective00:12:31
it is to continue to develop00:12:32
production since as you said00:12:34
until 2050 50% of the energy will be at00:12:38
least gas and oil it will not be00:12:40
for the year 2023 but From00:12:43
now on we have decided that we are putting00:12:45
three hundred billion into new00:12:47
projects,00:12:49
it's still not bad, yes, so it will be00:12:51
spread over years because when00:12:52
you sign a contract today with00:12:54
Grand Engineering to develop a00:12:56
wood refinery will not work for00:12:57
4-5 years of course good but these are00:13:01
sums which are developed and in 2024 in00:13:03
my opinion it is lurking and will still finish00:13:05
sums for the following years that means00:13:07
that there are projects which are00:13:09
launched which are going to be launched and we00:13:11
must take care of it very quickly if we want to00:13:13
continue to take our companies forward it00:13:15
will please the companies which00:13:16
ensure there now it is00:13:17
development00:13:20
there for them there is a paved future golden00:13:23
our big generic scenes our big00:13:25
suppliers our big personnel suppliers00:13:27
are very happy with these00:13:29
countries and then today with00:13:31
certain new technologies00:13:33
because oil is not about sticking00:13:36
around and all the new00:13:37
technologies are involved since00:13:39
it is still an area where there are00:13:40
funds to optimize all that so00:13:43
our companies still have good00:13:46
market shares if it wakes up very quickly00:13:48
and if they stop dreaming a little bit about00:13:51
hydrogen I have nothing against00:13:53
hydrogen I am for it but it will take00:13:57
a little more time so we are going to00:13:59
concentrate on our energy businesses00:14:02
in general and there is a lot00:14:04
to do for us companies it is00:14:06
interesting what you think00:14:08
hydrogen is the next step but it00:14:10
will take time to get there yes00:14:12
because on the other hand when we00:14:13
look at what you were talking about earlier we00:14:14
have to supply the cars00:14:17
even if we have chosen in Europe to00:14:20
go all electric, we know very00:14:22
well that it won't really work and00:14:24
that we will have to find so we00:14:25
will do, on the one hand, we will00:14:27
gradually postpone the years00:14:30
of switching from gasoline to00:14:33
diesel or electric glass because that we00:14:36
won't be able to answer because the real00:14:38
answer is behind it is00:14:39
hydrogen but when are we00:14:41
still when will we be ready and00:14:43
we don't know there is a large00:14:45
French company which deals with everything that00:14:47
is liquefied gas I worked for00:14:49
it it was my first company and we00:14:51
had when you went to an00:14:54
installation where there was00:14:56
hydrogen to treat other gases00:14:58
you had an internship eight-00:15:00
day special because it is a product that must00:15:02
still be handled with care,00:15:04
that's it, it's very complicated, so the00:15:06
professionals use that to00:15:08
generate transfers to us in the00:15:11
public domain of everyone, that's it. is00:15:14
not so obvious that so I would like to00:15:16
come back to the geopoldi plan because00:15:18
it is a bit the theme of our broadcasts00:15:19
also this area of the Mediterranean because00:15:22
which is an area of tension with the00:15:25
deposits that there are off the coast of Cyprus00:15:27
off the coast of Lebanon of Israel of the00:15:30
signs of Egypt where everyone and00:15:32
everyone is there and everyone00:15:33
is trying to find agreements all the00:15:35
countries in this area are taking an00:15:37
interest in what 'is it necessary00:15:39
are these00:15:40
really important deposits first of all00:15:43
because when the Egyptians yes that's00:15:45
finally there we will be able for the00:15:47
first time to have oil at home00:15:49
so it will decrease our00:15:51
import costs obviously noticeably00:15:53
good we saw the Turks that the Turks and00:15:56
the Libyans who say we put our hands00:15:59
on it and then Israelis who were fighting00:16:01
but recently there is an agreement with00:16:03
Lebanon no more exactly there is an00:16:05
agreement which means that the Israelis00:16:07
have accepted which is an exploitation00:16:09
in the area of the Lebanese maritime zone00:16:11
how what happens00:16:13
when you are a little what00:16:16
can we think about all that c 'is complicated00:16:18
yes it is very difficult we00:16:22
agree but here it is particularly00:16:23
complicated and well listen I will00:16:25
tell you that in these countries I am not00:16:27
very keen you are very careful yes00:16:30
it is it' is very very delicate uh good and00:16:33
each for reasons Egypt00:16:36
they have their own industries since00:16:38
in the Middle East in the other countries of the00:16:41
Middle East you have a lot of00:16:42
Egyptian companies in everything that is00:16:43
exploration production processing00:16:46
hydrocarbons so they are, I will say,00:16:48
a little autonomous from an industrial point of view00:16:50
so that they develop their00:16:53
products they know how to do it we will00:16:55
not have many things so to tackle in00:16:56
addition perhaps some new00:16:58
technologies but in the conventional00:17:00
but the same it is very difficult00:17:03
to have exact figures on00:17:07
Egypt's current and future production so Israel on the other hand to00:17:09
be a considerable advantage if they00:17:11
actually have they start moreover00:17:12
they will be able to have00:17:13
oil without having to buy it from all00:17:15
the people around yes but then the same we00:17:18
would need the results of the00:17:20
studies of the reserves of this area00:17:24
there good large companies are00:17:26
interested in it so we can hope that we will00:17:29
still look at the studies and that00:17:31
there will be things to do for the future00:17:33
and Israel does not have the00:17:37
normal industry expected to develop all that00:17:40
there are perhaps things to do00:17:42
is to bring more companies00:17:45
to this destination of00:17:46
specialized company which could do the00:17:48
work in fact good Lebanon the same00:17:56
totally international companies00:17:58
which manage I invest for the00:18:00
risks all that is a bit complicated00:18:02
when even00:18:04
the offshore oil research industry00:18:07
has evolved also where has it we00:18:10
will be able to dig deeper00:18:12
differently was it it was00:18:15
huge at the time with coflexible00:18:18
technique00:18:22
but00:18:24
I remember saying a very, very00:18:27
long time ago when we started drilling in00:18:28
France in the Mediterranean I00:18:32
forgot the name of the ship that had been00:18:33
chartered for that but it was a great00:18:36
first today we are developing00:18:38
fields at a depth of 3000 meters, that's why we were00:18:39
saying earlier00:18:41
in the current state of knowledge and00:18:44
technology these are the reserves that we00:18:47
can imagine now if tomorrow we00:18:49
manage to do much better we can00:18:51
still do much more with our00:18:53
reserves the Chinese for the moment are00:18:55
totally dependent practically on00:18:58
foreigners for their supply of00:19:00
fossil energy that's good yes they00:19:03
still have to do research00:19:04
I imagine but a priori it's not00:19:06
published there00:19:08
there is nothing it was published let's say00:19:10
that he had found something so it00:19:13
depends on one side of Russia Siberia00:19:15
and on the other side and the other the00:19:17
Middle East yes yes a lot of gas00:19:19
in China00:19:22
Qatar and Mira and all that a question00:19:25
also which has become the age is something else00:19:27
it's a bit financial but00:19:29
we saw recently that00:19:32
Saudi Arabia had announced that it00:19:34
would accept payment in Luan for00:19:37
oil and gas sold to China there00:19:40
was an agreement that had been made with00:19:42
my Bretonneau who said that00:19:44
energies were billed in dollars00:19:46
what is happening with this00:19:48
development which means that the Russians are saying00:19:50
you are going to pay me in rubles the00:19:53
Chinese are saying I am going to pay in Louane00:19:54
so the dollar is in the process of becoming00:19:56
take one I receive money from00:19:58
China I will buy00:20:00
Chinese equipment because I have some available00:20:02
and then perhaps other countries will00:20:04
also be sensitive to me00:20:06
paying them with Chinese money because that00:20:08
yes they will also be able to repeat it00:20:10
elsewhere why do we accept everything in00:20:13
dollars because our global system00:20:14
was based on that once and for all00:20:17
yes but it risks00:20:19
seriously decreasing like transactions in00:20:20
dollars because energy is not00:20:22
nothing in the world in the world at the00:20:24
economic level the volume the volume of the of00:20:27
the sale and trade of00:20:30
energies and considerable quite00:20:32
quite and there and there and how you00:20:34
see precisely in the other countries00:20:36
you know well what is the00:20:38
reaction compared to an Arabia which00:20:40
says well yeah I'm going to work in00:20:42
Chinese with the Chinese in Louane or00:20:44
the or with the Russians in a group the00:20:46
others find it normal they are it's00:20:48
a somewhat general logic or these00:20:50
special ones a or two countries well yes we have00:20:52
seen a lot of articles on this on00:20:53
Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia00:20:55
currently has Chinese missions00:20:57
to try to study them and00:21:00
perhaps later build them00:21:01
nuclear power plants.00:21:04
It's us who learned it in Chinese00:21:06
but it's sad to admit but00:21:08
it's them who built them that we00:21:09
still haven't started the two00:21:12
EPRs, the Finnish LR and the French father,00:21:15
we haven't managed to put them into operation00:21:16
while the one we built in00:21:18
China they built one there is a00:21:20
second one it works not only it00:21:21
works but they sell the technology00:21:23
or Saudi but then I continue because00:21:27
you are we have the chance to00:21:28
have you and as you know00:21:29
all these areas particularly well00:21:33
what is also happening in00:21:36
Africa because there is00:21:38
Mozambique where it is said that we have00:21:40
large deposits which have been found and there00:21:43
also it could change a certain00:21:44
number of things in the00:21:45
regional economies and how you then with00:21:48
your ex your expertise your vision or00:21:50
what do you think about it no but there are00:21:52
also problems we will00:21:54
say political and security well00:21:57
many African countries still have00:21:59
some problems it will still00:22:01
take some time but yes I believe00:22:04
that there are great capacities we00:22:07
have some French possessions00:22:09
called the scattered islands well it's00:22:11
lots of pebbles but we have a00:22:14
territory around finally the00:22:15
maritime territory there is the zone the maritime zone00:22:17
we talked about it in a00:22:19
recent broadcast there is the maritime zone around00:22:21
which belongs to us00:22:22
there is even a large oil tanker I believe00:22:25
even French which has said that there00:22:27
might be some hope around that but we00:22:29
've had it for 20 years so there00:22:31
it might also be the00:22:33
very very high yes but it's sure00:22:36
French territory so there is a00:22:39
legal veto we can no longer exploit00:22:42
oil on French territory there00:22:45
was a discovery in Guyana by total a00:22:47
few years ago it was it was00:22:49
it was stopped we understand Europe00:22:52
was an ecologist it's clear but we00:22:55
can ask ourselves the curves not all but00:22:57
we can ask ourselves questions when we00:22:59
actually see that we refuse to00:23:02
produce00:23:03
in our country to exploit to produce00:23:07
oil while at the same time00:23:08
the others of which all around us do00:23:10
not ask for better in parentheses00:23:12
for the I believe I had already00:23:13
told him but on the shale gas which is00:23:16
with us I remind even if I was00:23:18
engie and the others are00:23:19
currently importing it to the United States United00:23:22
shale gas is strictly prohibited in00:23:23
research prospecting exploitation and00:23:26
sale by the law which prevents it from being00:23:29
brought in en masse currently00:23:30
Germany just said00:23:33
last week that it was considering relaunching00:23:36
the prospecting and sale of00:23:39
German shale gas yes yes you read it correctly00:23:41
yes yes it is read correctly yes that00:23:44
means what we are going to find ourselves all alone00:23:45
we are going to find ourselves all alone with a00:23:47
position that no one defends at the00:23:49
world level anymore we had gas of00:23:51
lake for 50 years00:23:53
it still fed a good part00:23:56
of France and no one asked00:23:58
questions and yet it was a00:23:59
toxic gas I was talking about it earlier a00:24:01
gas with sulfur inside and we00:24:04
knew how to treat it properly so00:24:06
there was never a problem so we00:24:08
said where there are mountains of sulfur00:24:09
we sold them and then on the other hand00:24:11
we sold the gas half of France00:24:13
we also produced oil in00:24:17
Aquitaine a very long time ago00:24:18
moreover there were the first00:24:20
offshore developments had00:24:21
also been experiments and we had00:24:24
oil product at the end00:24:27
of the 40s in Seine-et-Marne and I00:24:32
always say we have to go on the00:24:33
national 4 on the highway we00:24:36
always see its pendulum pumps00:24:40
the environment only wind turbines00:24:46
it's a curiosity but today we00:24:49
still know how to do things it00:24:51
would disappear from the ground we would see00:24:53
nothing more and that has never polluted and we00:24:56
made wells in Champagne and00:24:58
no one ever came to complain there was00:25:01
even a big development which was00:25:02
carried out by a French oil company00:25:04
on a field called00:25:07
Villeperdues it was a bit lost for00:25:12
the Americans we produced up to00:25:16
20,000 barrels a day anyway and as00:25:19
there was an oil crisis because00:25:20
it happens from time to time the oil00:25:22
became and patiently below 12 dollars00:25:24
I think and there they said 11 years and00:25:27
that was sold to a very small00:25:28
company which continues to exploit a little bit00:25:30
and then and then everything is going well00:25:33
but we still have very large00:25:35
deposits to develop in France, that's00:25:38
what is still extraordinary and00:25:40
I tell you there has a very00:25:42
technical and very serious study which was00:25:44
carried out that if we produced in France we00:25:47
would have roughly 40 billion euros00:25:52
coming in per year from our oil and00:25:54
our gas so you are00:25:56
talking about figures higher than that of00:25:58
retirement which mobilizes everyone00:26:00
in France our listeners must00:26:04
understand it well yes yes just like00:26:06
that we change the problem of retirement00:26:08
since we can finance everything and we00:26:10
still have a surplus so I will still come back00:26:12
a little on production in00:26:14
France we know how to do things very00:26:16
neatly there has never been the slightest00:26:18
problem00:26:19
exactly I quoted you lost city00:26:22
there is finally there were at the beginning there00:26:25
were 10 production sites with00:26:28
about 4 to 5 pumps per site + all the00:26:32
small pipelines which organized to00:26:34
bring this to the production center plus00:26:35
a large pipeline which went to the00:26:37
Nangis refinery all the local farmers00:26:40
were satisfied we made00:26:42
roads for them in the middle of their shorts00:26:45
safe roads to go to the middle of their00:26:47
fields we have done a lot of00:26:49
things to them I can tell you that if we00:26:52
went back there today he would want it to00:26:53
continue plus00:26:55
local companies were involved like at00:26:57
the time of the mines when there was00:26:58
completely life in the end thanks to that00:27:02
a question that we can ask ourselves00:27:03
nevertheless it is on the one hand the states00:27:07
want to lower the price in00:27:08
particular for Russia00:27:10
we saw that Mohamed Ben Salman at the00:27:14
request of President Biden said no I00:27:17
don't go up I keep my price high because00:27:19
it interests me I earn money00:27:21
which we understand well but on the other00:27:23
hand for the gloves of the gas people00:27:25
shale in the United States is a00:27:27
blessing at high prices because00:27:29
when the price is low shale gas00:27:31
is not profitable that's right yes yes00:27:33
today then they were00:27:35
at 80 a few years ago dollars after00:27:37
that it had fallen to 60 they say that today00:27:39
above 4000:27:41
it works when the price of gas is too00:27:44
low they are not interested yes00:27:47
besides there are many small00:27:49
companies which have disappeared or which have00:27:52
been taken over by large companies which have00:27:54
optimized and brought in new00:27:55
technologies to develop their00:27:57
own but then you said00:27:59
earlier that precisely in00:28:00
the exploitation of shale gas00:28:02
technologies progress like science00:28:04
exists and then with the means they00:28:06
have and that they have considerably and00:28:08
develop the means of extraction00:28:09
I will go cleaner cleaner so we00:28:12
still have an image of shale gas00:28:14
which dates from the time when it polluted the00:28:16
water tables all that's over00:28:17
but if I hear you and if I want00:28:19
with what I say what we see is00:28:21
that ultimately00:28:23
the Europeans are the only ones to say00:28:26
we need for obvious reasons we00:28:28
would like an oil price very low00:28:30
because it's expensive and we're in trouble00:28:32
but whether it's the producing countries of the00:28:36
Middle East, whether it's the Russians or00:28:39
the Americans, everyone00:28:41
has an interest in oil sooner or later00:28:42
ah yes no but everything actually but00:28:46
you didn't00:28:48
you didn't talk about the00:28:51
North Sea producers the Norwegians00:28:55
also in parentheses the I don't know00:28:58
if you remember the program that00:29:00
I did where I explained that the00:29:02
Americans had skipped the palpable00:29:04
their stream 2 then there is a00:29:06
very interesting article by Simon Archer the00:29:09
great American journalist and who comes00:29:10
to say that it was the Americans but00:29:12
I made a small error it was00:29:13
not just the Americans there were also00:29:15
the Norwegians00:29:16
in the teams who dived to blow00:29:18
up the Nord Stream a point of00:29:21
detail but I would like to take this opportunity to00:29:22
tell you all the same so I00:29:24
would like to bounce back a little bit on the00:29:25
Norwegians and on the capacity to carry out00:29:28
the Norwegians have00:29:31
installations at sea but they00:29:33
also have installations in their00:29:35
fjord and not far away there are salmon farms00:29:39
which means that the sea is not00:29:40
polluted by oil and00:29:42
ice exploitation since we eat their00:29:44
salmon all the time. he's like the00:29:47
first producers so we know how00:29:49
to exploit hydrocarbons in a00:29:52
clean way so why not at home we00:29:54
won't pollute our tomatoes and our00:29:56
beets if we start producing00:29:59
oil and gas again in France then the00:30:01
big problem is who should we00:30:04
send the message to so that we can00:30:06
restart things because the law00:30:08
was passed that we could no longer in00:30:11
France, could we not I'm not00:30:13
going to do so we're going to say a00:30:14
stupidity but to make a 49-3 to say well00:30:16
listen we will perhaps restart a00:30:18
little since we are in a period of00:30:20
crisis so it would still be good00:30:21
if we could00:30:24
have our reserve at least have our00:30:26
reserve even if we don't produce it right00:30:28
away, know what we have because if00:30:30
ever there is another crisis that happens we00:30:31
can go and get some from us00:30:34
I think we want there you we have with that00:30:36
you just have make a magnificent00:30:37
conclusion in our interview00:30:39
today because indeed I believe00:30:42
that when we look and you do not00:30:44
understand what is happening00:30:46
in the world when00:30:47
we see the future of these products and the00:30:50
difficulties on our side that we have to00:30:53
develop renewables that we must00:30:54
do of course but on00:30:57
which it is not going as quickly and it is not00:30:59
as effective as this side is it00:31:01
not time to actually ask ourselves00:31:02
some questions of making some00:31:05
revisions perhaps heartbreaking but which00:31:08
would change the lives of the French faced with00:31:10
this evolution of things which it is00:31:13
not time to make a certain number of00:31:14
strategic revisions00:31:17
perhaps temporary but which00:31:18
would allow us to face a00:31:20
situation that we did not want00:31:22
to which we contributed but that it00:31:25
would have come to us in the wall thank you00:31:27
believer for this very interesting00:31:30
explosive because you know all00:31:31
that and it is a pleasure to00:31:33
give us lots of information and then00:31:36
I hope that for the listeners it00:31:38
would also have been a way to discover00:31:40
a world that little is talked about because today00:31:41
there is a kind00:31:42
of omerta on oil and00:31:45
gas problems that we must perhaps get around00:31:47
if we wants to face reality head on00:31:49
and indeed listen to another00:31:51
interesting program I noted a00:31:53
figure 40 to 50 billion in revenue from00:31:59
fossil exploitation in France and I believe that there was00:32:02
also a call so if among the00:32:04
listeners you have someone's 06 at00:32:06
the Élysée or in a certain number of00:32:08
ministries in France you will send this00:32:10
broadcast it could perhaps00:32:11
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Dans cette nouvelle émission, Alain Juillet et Claude Medori reçoivent Jean-Jacques Royant, expert international en hydrocarbures. Ils analysent à la lueur des investissements colossaux dans la recherche pétrolière, le grand retour des pays producteurs sur la scène internationale. En 2050, nos économies auront besoin de 50% d’énergies fossiles, quid de la France dans cette perspective face aux respects de ses lois de protection de la nature, mais aussi face à ce formidable potentiel de réserve en hydrocarbures sur l’ensemble de son territoire. SOUTENEZ NOUS SUR TIPEEE : ▶️ https://fr.tipeee.com/openboxtv 💬 Restez connecté en suivant notre actualité sur les réseaux sociaux : 👉 Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser 👉 Twitter : https://twitter.com/openboxtv_fr 👉 Instagram : https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser 👉 Notre site : http://openboxtv.fr/ 👉 TikTok : https://www.tiktok.com/@openboxtv Découvrez : 00:00 Introduction 02:01 La demande de l’hydrocarbure 04:00 L’évolution des technologies de réserves écologiques 06:04 L’Algérie : un gros producteur de pétrole 07:05 Les projets de gaz au Moyen-Orient 09:44 Les mouvements pétrolier et gazier entre la Chine, la Russie et l’Inde 11:49 Un investissement dans le pétrole stratégique 15:15 Les gisements méditerranéens : une zone de tension 18:04 La recherche pétrolière off-shore 18:53 La dépendance de la Chine aux énergies étrangères 19:24 La facturation de l'énergie en dollars et yuan 21:33 Les gisements en Afrique 22:57 La production de pétrole en France 27:58 Conclusion 32:13 Nos réseaux
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