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Начало эфира
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В эфире Утренний разворот с Лизой Аникиной и Ольгой Журавлёвой
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Выпуск новостей
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Эколог Сергей Симак, председатель Совета Российской Зеленой Лиги, кандидат биологических наук о затоплении в Орске и Оренбурге
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Материал недели от «Новой газеты». Журнал «Горби». Представляет Андрей Колесников*, эксперт фонда Карнеги
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Выпуск новостей
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Госдума утвердила в третьем чтении законопроект об адвокатуре. Рассказывает юрист, правозащитник Дмитрий Захватов
2:05:50
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Good morning everyone
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855 minutes in Moscow This is the program
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morning spread on YouTube channel
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living nail Olga Zhuravleva or Anikina
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Hello everyone, how are you doing?
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Let's tell you, yours has passed
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week What mood are you in? How are you
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get ready for the coming weekend
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are you having this very weekend because
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we won’t be given examples Well, or rather Olya
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there will still be one day off yes yes
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I will be possible on Sunday
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I have two more wonderful days ahead of me
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with morning turns I hope that we
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Let's all enjoy them to the fullest. What do we have?
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today in the program Today in our
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program, firstly we will talk about
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situation in the Orenburg region to us
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ecologist Sergei Simok will join
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Chairman of the Russian Green Board
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League candidate of biological sciences and he
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will talk about the flooding in Orsk and
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Orenburg will explain what this will have
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consequences And in general how they work
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similar tragedies And then we have
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material of the week from the new newspaper We are with
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Let's talk about Andrey Kolesnikov
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material and not only its material in
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magazine hump, that's how beautiful he is
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we already enjoyed the new one today yes
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Before the broadcast, they honored the real live
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paper magazine and there really
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many many topics that can be discussed
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with Andrey Kolesnikov in addition to chapters from
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his books that are published there are
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many more interesting twists
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concerning history and today
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I'll say this And today we'll talk with
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Alexandra Baeva about refusal
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human rights activist Oleg Orlov in his
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request to personally participate in the trial
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Oleg Orlov's meeting worsened
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his health condition, his hearing has deteriorated
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because of this it is difficult for him to remotely
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participate in court hearings because
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that the video connection is because it’s bad
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sound quality nevertheless despite
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his request to be personally present at
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court hearings, the court refused him
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lawyer Alexandra Baeva and I are talking about this
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OVD info let's talk about today's topic
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- the State Duma approved this in the third reading
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the bill on legal profession is a series
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restrictions for lawyers this may
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negatively affect the general legal
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situation in Russia which is already in
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generally deplorable but you can do even more
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bad impact not so much on lawyers
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how much on their protective ones right away
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this will directly affect
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for all people who in one way or another
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may be faced with the need to have
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lawyer Yes, with Dmitry we are talking about capture
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Let's talk about this Well, at 11 o'clock
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usually with us Alexey Venediktov nothing
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our new schedule is stable with
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11:00 to 12:00 He’s on our air I think
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that everyone is waiting for him to come here the most
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we will discuss important topics of the week. Well
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Let's talk about his interview with
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former Israeli minister who
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came out yesterday Thursday evening on
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YouTube channel living nail Well, in general
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details A And thanks and details we
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Today we’ll discuss more. Well, what do we have here?
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here we already have greetings from everywhere
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probably soon soon soon it will be necessary already
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uh we have news in Rivne Yes we have news
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exactly at zero So we have 2 more minutes
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there will be greetings from Dortmund
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to Greetings from Balashikha from Shchukin
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from the Moscow region Orekhova Zueva Morning
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Andrey from
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Orekhova Zueva and Mikhail Bashkirtsev writes
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Everything goes according to plan sadomy debauchery
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rodents floods arson explosions from 12
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April you Hello By the way yes day
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Cosmonautics is also a World Holiday
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It's under different names at someone's place
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It's science day, someone's day
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that's exactly what it's called
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This is our day for space explorers
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astronautics naturally on the territory
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former Soviet Union Closer closer to
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the cosmonautics holiday, by the way
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also refers us a little to the magazine
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gorby when the central publication is there
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concerns just disintegration or attempts not
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allow the collapse of the Soviet Union
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the consequences of this collapse, including
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on holidays it appears if Belarus
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Kazakhstan and Russia are celebrating something
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something similar
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then in Ukraine already with some nuances A
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in there
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let's say Asian Republics in some
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cases coincide And in some cases
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diverge from Armenia there or Georgia
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I suggest some of my own holidays
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release a geopolitical study
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situations based on holidays Yes yes yes
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public holidays like how like
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a sign of belonging to the Soviet
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the former Soviet Union is very
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interestingly someone writes to us from the world of Jean
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Good morning from Orsk If you are really from
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Orska Please write how you are doing
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And what's going on with you? We're leaving now.
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for the news and then we'll come back
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let's begin our discussion of the main
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and, of course, to communicate with guests. And I
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as the author of the program take a day
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endless Well, you are also the author, come on, day
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but I continue this is our hopeless
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I fully support the event
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Sophie's comment from the Russian invasion
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to Ukraine began exactly 10 years ago 12
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April fourteenth separatists
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DPR in quotes, that is, pro-Russian
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forces captured Slavyansk Yes indeed
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When did I do this selection?
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a day for these days Yes, the capture of the Slavs
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times the fourteenth year We by the way We
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By the way, we talked about this yesterday with
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Alexander Stefanov in a dissenting opinion
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you might be interested in listening
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about how propagandists are now shifting
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the date of the beginning of this conflict Oh well
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first the news and then everything else
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so not yet, not everything we have yet
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prepared
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[music]
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Hurray 900 in the morning in Moscow at the microphone Lisa
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Anikina is news about a live nail
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the main thing by this time last night
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air defense system destroyed a drone in
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Rostov region and one in Belgorod region
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salt
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Ministry of Defense several groups of Shaheeds
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the goal was Energy infrastructure
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Vladimir Putin previously stated that Russia
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forced to respond to attacks by the armed forces
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Russian energy facility FSB reports about
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preventing a terrorist attack in Moscow
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synagogue, according to intelligence services, explosion
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planned by a native of one of the countries
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Central Asia he resisted
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during the arrest and was killed they convey the
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news FSB distributed video from
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apartments of the alleged terrorist
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only a knife is visible next to the body
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improvised explosive device Judging by
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cameras were stored under
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detained with a mattress in the Tver region
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suspect in the murder of a police officer
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The Moscow region is the thirties Vasily
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Buryak according to the Investigative Committee He gave
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confessions from security forces
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they claim that Buryakov’s house is up to no good
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found weapons, ammunition and drugs
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substances from the Tver region
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the suspect was taken to Moscow for
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helicopter water level in the Ural River
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Orenburg exceeded 11 m near the administration
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cities warned that there is a risk
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flooding of energy facilities and in some
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areas possible short-term
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power outage peak flood expected
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out of the danger zone this afternoon
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more than 10,000 evacuated
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people in Kazakhstan, a law on
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criminalization of domestic violence still
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por for Assault and Intentional
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causing minor harm to health
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provided only
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administrative punishment is now
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will become a criminal offense
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the document must be signed by the president
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Kasym Zhumar Takaev
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and 100 Russian military arrived in Niger
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they delivered instructors to the military
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equipment for the air defense system of the latter
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generation of equipment purchased from Russia
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reported local government
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Artin TV channel previously transitional
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the nigerian government refused two
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defense agreements with the European Union and
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broke the military agreement
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USA in the Kansky competition program
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film festival included Kirill's film
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Serebrennikov Lemons ballad main
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hero writers politician lemons him
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played by British actor Ben Whishaw in
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The world premiere of the film will take place
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The film festival will be held from May 14 to May 25.
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there was news on a live nail and we
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let's continue
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[music]
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spread So Olga Zhuravleva Lisa
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Anikina Youtube channel living nail
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morning spread I hope everything is already
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Woke up and everyone already cheer up with us
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There are a lot of topics today, I think it’s possible already
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let's start with the first one we want to talk about
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what is happening in Orenburgskaya
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areas what will be the consequences
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what's happening? Yes, but what? And what do we already have
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they write that the water is running out, but we can’t get through
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home yet not just I think that
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this is a report from the field. But they write something else
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actually the peak is expected today at
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anyway in my news today
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was written but let's look at it in more detail
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Sergey Tima joins us
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Chairman of the Russian Green Board
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League Candidate of Biological Sciences Dobroe
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morning and we can't hear you
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so once again I was afraid of just everything
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I can hear yes Everything is fine And Sergey if
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okay Let's start over because
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people who don't worry regularly
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these are the floods in principle
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guess what When is spring What
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called friendly A
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when it gets warm very quickly
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naturally the water rises in the rivers Well
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This is how forecasts work in principle
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were probably yes, that is, in principle
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these too should have expected the flood
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regions naturally should also
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expect this to happen this year
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which came as a surprise to everyone.
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whether
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say Well, it’s a tradition with us and it’s winter
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it always comes unexpectedly yes
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the flood comes unexpectedly therefore
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nothing new here, everything is perfect
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normal and familiar
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The question is why does this happen and how often?
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and will this happen further Yes I
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I think this is the most interesting question
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of course there are two parts
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the answer is the first part in which I cannot
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boast big
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competence how the dam was built Were
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Are there any violations? How much was stolen there? Well
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actually I have this topic
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the information is the same as everyone else's so I
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I prefer not to talk about this topic but
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listen to those who are more competent
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I can talk about
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friend
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Why is the load on dams increasing?
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to river beds. The fact is that this
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directly related to change
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Klima that now I’m already on mine
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memory about 20 years old, probably Russian
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ST says doubts about climate change
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they say it's the sun
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normal cycles that were supposedly
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always generally relax and receive
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pleasure really is
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Not at all like climate change
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modern climate change is completely
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man-made with absolute
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irresponsibility of humanity as a whole
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Well, over the past ten years, zero
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2030 This is especially related
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irresponsibility of some of the most
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interesting representatives of this
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humanity well represented by states
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some primarily those who
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live off the sale of hydrocarbons
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oil and gas, which themselves are not particularly
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do something to mitigate the change
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climate and others interfere with block
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joint
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SDO actions
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it cannot be
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to some extent slow down so that's what
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his
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the consequences of the consequences actually
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there’s a lot I won’t list everything
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only what has to do with floods
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and floods in
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Russia The fact is that one of the consequences
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overall climate change overall
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warming is increasing
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intensification of the polar mystery
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ice climate of Europe
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almost 90% is not determined
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just geographical location
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Western transfer so-called
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Atlantic cyclones which
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west to east bring moisture and
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moderate soft
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they bring this moisture both in the form of snow and
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like rain
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this is a slow current that goes from the south to
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north along the coast of Western Europe and
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This is a stove that heats everything
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Europe up to the Urals and including the basin
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The Ural River also heats and supplies
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moisture so
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here is a warm current Warm water flows along
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surface cold water should
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actually go down and down under
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The Gulf Stream is actually cold
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countercurrent cat
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there is one such physical feature
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fresh water has a lower density than
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therefore the cold water that is formed
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as a result of the polar ice mystery
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desalinated and it does not sink down but
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goes along the surface of the Gulf Stream
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Gostream is weakening as a result of
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some
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percentage of cyclones that generate
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Gulf Stream
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weakened and our climate is determined here
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such a confrontation between
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cyclones that come from the West with
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Atlantic and anticyclones which
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are formed in the center of the continent That's who
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who is where the border will be established there
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where the border spills out or pours out
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precipitation there is heavy, snowfall is heavy
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there is also enough rain where the west is
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a lot of precipitation and most of the precipitation is later
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they arrive and this is exactly what happens over
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European territory of Russia and how
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the further east it becomes more and more pronounced
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That is, it turns out that this one is
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the unusually snowy winter we
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seen this year This is a consequence
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global warming If
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simplify, yes, but the mechanisms here are a little bit
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others Now I’ll explain it like this probably
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everyone paid attention
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that approximately during the last
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15-2 years, frosts begin and
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then the snow falls, those who
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older people remember that well, back in
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the eighties and nineties were well
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it's about the same time and that's why
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The ground did not have time to freeze now
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At first the Earth freezes and then
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frozen ground lies down
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snow Why and because cyclones don't
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can reach the anticyclone carries cold
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frosty weather at the beginning already in November
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December Frost and only then on on
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the ground is frozen and snow falls in the spring
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begins
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water cannot be absorbed into the soil because
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she she can't keep up and she
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quickly rolls into
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reservoir into river beds as a result
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a stormy flood occurs once and
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soil drought two because the soil is not
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saturates with water and against the backdrop of the fact that everything
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more and more extreme heat
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gradually nonlinear process and BC more often
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and more often
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extreme heat in summer
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sharply worsens living conditions and
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agriculture this process is only
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it starts to get much worse, but
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this is such a small digression so here it is
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this is one factor that the water is fast and friendly
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reservoirs roll down Well, of course it
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there's a lot at once the second one
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factor is also very significant and also
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noticeable to those who are a little older and could
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watch what's happening during the course of
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years old
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30 We're Almost Reversing Climate Change
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lost such a season of the year as spring if
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30-40 years ago and before, spring occupied
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we have about a month and a half, that is
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snowmelt began in March and
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ended in early May back in May
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Somewhere the snowdrifts lay there for a month and a half
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gradually the water melted melted melted
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absorb into the soil as a result and in the soil
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there were groundwaters that fed later
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the river Oz gradually and finally
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therefore it was extended for a month and a half
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It's spring now, it's cold, it's cold here
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cold cold cold Then once again
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Summer is coming in just a week or two
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Yes, I just felt this today when I
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I don’t remember the beginning of April like this
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Well, it's all already summer summer clothes
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years earlier By the way, yes this is also very
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characteristic thing by displacement displacement
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season occurred for about a month in
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the eighties when I was
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student was the commander of the security squad
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nature university and every year I
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organized expeditions to the border on
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junction of Samara Orenburg Saratov
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and Ural regions
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Kazakhstan, well, they conducted research there
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and we designed natural monuments
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always went for 5 years in a row and we
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left at the very end of May
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usually on Friday for May
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holidays get in not to break away especially from
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do not miss many days of school and
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returned May 10-111 always at the same time
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same time strictly like this every year
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when we left the trees were still bare
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when we returned on May 10 they were in
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light haze Yeah now Pay attention
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attention the same thing happens for a month
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before, well, in Moscow, at least already
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not just a slight haze, but directly visible
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primrose leaves are already just everywhere there
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bumblebees everything that should be Month Month
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everything shifted for at least a month and
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shrunk from a month and a half to a week or two
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Yeah, of course the snowmelt is stormy
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friendly water cannot be absorbed
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of course this leads to stormy
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floods and then the water quickly
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rolls down in the summer when strong
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heat water shortage drought and the soil is dry
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These are the consequences of climate change
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which only
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this process will begin
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further at least 100-150 years Sergei is here in
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in the chat, many write from conspiracy theorists on the air
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come where is the proof that this is
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man-made processes
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and the proof that this
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this is a man-made process for a minute
00:20:08
numerous models and climatic
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which are built by specialists and not
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those comrades who write on air
00:20:18
about conspiracy theorists, unlike those
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by the way, conspiracy theorists who are usually those
00:20:23
the same people love it when they talk about
00:20:25
vaccination there vaccinations everything else
00:20:27
that's where these people usually love
00:20:29
conspiracy theorists And when they are told about
00:20:32
scientifically based models that
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have a consensus of experts in everything
00:20:39
world they begin to talk about
00:20:41
conspiracy theorists are a very curious phenomenon
00:20:43
By the way, here's the evidence
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simple ones I could show now and
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graphics and what
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happens how high the correlation is
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between changes in carbon dioxide content
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gas in the atmosphere and average
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temperatures and this happens
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this mechanism always works like this
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clocks throughout Earth's history
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the higher the carbon dioxide concentration
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one of the greenhouse gases the higher
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temperature on the planet
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always now starting from
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eighties from sixties
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years of the 10th century when industrialization began
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the revolution has begun quite a bit
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rapid increase in greenhouse gas emissions
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carbon dioxide from combustion
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organic fuel and
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the correlation is clear Well, simple
00:21:36
it's fantastic how noticeable it is
00:21:38
This has especially happened over the last 200
00:21:41
years and especially over the last 50 years in all
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years when it was found out it became
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absolutely clearly obviously clearly
00:21:50
noticeably
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Why was this not noticeable at first?
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so much because the biosphere has
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mechanism
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compen initially more carbon dioxide
00:22:03
more ocean vegetation
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sucks in
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learns but at some point the mechanisms
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broken they are no longer able to assimilate
00:22:13
this amount of acid gas and heat
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absorbs the heat of the world very well
00:22:19
the ocean but now it's too much
00:22:24
knowledge of the temperature of the world ocean
00:22:29
phytoplankton absorption capacity
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carbon dioxide increases temperature
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therefore these mechanisms are gradually
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gradually gradually break into
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as a result of the same process nature
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struggling but she can't cope
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progressive increase in concentration
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carbon dioxide plus K carbon dioxide
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methane is also added, this is already
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process
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Follow the Domino principle when
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temperature rise
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on the planet due to carbon dioxide emissions
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gases begin to melt permafrost and
00:23:03
permafrost - What is it?
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a frozen swamp is essentially where there is water
00:23:08
about half water half organics
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plus or minus I'm sorry Russia
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Russia is the same country that has
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permafrost has a lot of things 68%
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Russian territory is permafrost
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68% more than any other country in the world
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and so
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Ghanaian area from Tai permafrost begins
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so-called swamp gas is released
00:23:36
When organic matter is under anaerobic conditions without
00:23:38
oxygen in the swamp it decomposes
00:23:41
turns not into carbon dioxide but into
00:23:44
methane main main component
00:23:48
Swamp gas is methane so methane
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has
00:23:52
ability e
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what about
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conditions, that is, further the process becomes
00:24:00
automatic but started it
00:24:02
human activity launched it
00:24:06
it was triggered by carbon dioxide emissions
00:24:08
when burning organic fuel A
00:24:11
you can do something about it here
00:24:13
people started and stop stop
00:24:15
It's impossible. It's impossible already.
00:24:18
no need to relax it's not worth it
00:24:21
the process is now possible
00:24:24
slow down, but Greta Thunberg tells us
00:24:27
I said this and laughed
00:24:30
by the way, she’s talking about exactly this and
00:24:32
said of course And by the way, experts
00:24:35
confirmed that she didn’t lie about anything
00:24:40
Of course we don't have anything good right now
00:24:42
option We have an option between bad
00:24:45
choice between bad and very bad between
00:24:47
rapid and severe climate change and
00:24:51
softer And against the background of this it is necessary
00:24:54
talk about
00:24:55
adaptation is the same
00:24:59
in principle ROSI has accepted in principle to think about
00:25:02
future even 5 years VD Not to mention
00:25:06
already perspective 10050 adaptation
00:25:09
agriculture adaptation ladies
00:25:12
adaptation of housing and communal services
00:25:15
Why think? Let the children figure it out.
00:25:17
This is unfortunately the Russian approach
00:25:27
and at least slow down climate change
00:25:30
minimize the continuation of the emission
00:25:33
greenhouse gas and secondly necessary
00:25:36
think about how to adapt the farm
00:25:38
adapt life to what's happening
00:25:41
What will be the consequences of the current ones?
00:25:44
floods in the current floods as in
00:25:47
it's called us if it's possible
00:25:48
Let's have us here just us yes
00:25:51
I’m just correcting us here, don’t confuse us
00:25:53
flood with flood what's happening
00:25:56
flood is something that happens every time
00:25:57
the year is correct and the flood is
00:26:01
something less Both happens
00:26:04
every year is catastrophic
00:26:07
there is a flood, there is a normal flood here
00:26:10
now we are talking about catastrophic
00:26:13
flood flood it's essentially two
00:26:18
terms that mean approximately one thing
00:26:20
and the same phenomenon slightly different
00:26:22
sides flood is the flood of rivers in
00:26:26
as a result of a large
00:26:28
the amount of meltwater flood is
00:26:31
economic problem associated with this
00:26:35
Uh-huh So these are the ones like this
00:26:37
what catastrophic events will happen?
00:26:39
environmental consequences That's what
00:26:42
we are now seeing here about cattle and
00:26:44
burial grounds told about flooded
00:26:47
cemeteries are besides the fact that
00:26:49
apparently there are people on boats trying
00:26:51
somehow
00:26:53
save yourself everything that happens changes
00:26:56
the ecosystem as a whole, what now
00:26:59
told
00:27:00
changes the dried soil Of course changes in
00:27:03
in principle the essence of the landscape is
00:27:06
ecosystems advancing deserts semi-deserts
00:27:09
natural zones are shifting north in those
00:27:12
places where
00:27:13
is happening
00:27:15
floods especially when it floods
00:27:17
large areas are fundamental
00:27:20
the ecosystem doesn't change because
00:27:22
great dress vivre becoming
00:27:29
you're sick They can't stand it anymore
00:27:32
Of course, a huge number die
00:27:34
animals especially terrestrial
00:27:37
birds rodents those animals that live
00:27:41
in the floodplain and those who have not yet woken up
00:27:43
can leave quickly the big ones just leave
00:27:45
coming back is not a big problem
00:27:48
but the ecosystem as a whole is changing
00:27:50
earth ecosystem
00:27:57
the desert changes there or
00:27:59
semi-desert where there was a steppe
00:28:01
becomes the dry steppe comes therefore
00:28:05
natural areas are shifting greatly
00:28:07
moving north very quickly
00:28:09
quickly and borders secondly as a result
00:28:12
of this, a large number of people are penetrating to the north
00:28:14
number of animal and plant species
00:28:17
more southern and including pathogens
00:28:20
diseases are very active now
00:28:23
the last 15-20 years to the north
00:28:25
Western fever, for example, penetrates
00:28:27
Nila
00:28:29
the sun penetrates further and further to the north
00:28:31
malaria mosquito and where puddles remain
00:28:37
warm places are ideal
00:28:39
after the flood when they flood
00:28:41
large areas then the water goes into
00:28:43
puddles remain in the depressions, they don’t last long
00:28:46
they dry out
00:28:47
But in order for the mosquito to mosquito larvae
00:28:50
fight and turn into a cop
00:28:59
behind
00:29:01
it appears more
00:29:03
mosquitoes there are conditions for
00:29:06
a more southern mosquito of the genus Anolis appeared
00:29:10
which is a carrier
00:29:12
malarial plasma, for example, huge
00:29:15
number of other animals animals
00:29:18
pathogens advance on
00:29:20
north
00:29:33
then in South Central Asia at the expense
00:29:38
In practice, water supply is provided
00:29:41
large rivers that originate in
00:29:43
mountain range himalayan soul ingan
00:29:47
bakhmara are all the rivers that flow from
00:29:49
glaciers glaciers are also fast
00:29:57
disappearing provide water to the region where
00:29:59
life is sweet
00:30:02
man milda man and for a moment this
00:30:06
three nuclear powers India Pakistan and
00:30:09
China and when there are hundreds of billions of people there
00:30:12
at least millions of people it turns out
00:30:14
troubles to existence arise Of course
00:30:16
tension socially
00:30:18
political threads appear
00:30:20
climate refugees who are in
00:30:34
for at
00:30:37
Assad
00:30:39
which the Turks first built on the ef
00:30:42
platinums which have reduced access
00:30:44
water, why did they build it because there is no
00:30:47
enough because the climate
00:30:50
changes to
00:30:58
for irrigation of large areas received
00:31:02
several harvests and then it passed
00:31:04
soil salinization and they have lost enormous
00:31:06
amount of farmland peasants
00:31:09
the ruined fellahs went to the cities
00:31:11
the cities were filled with millions
00:31:14
disadvantaged Of course social
00:31:16
the tension resulted in us
00:31:17
now we see in Syria and what happened
00:31:20
in Syria, the war has given millions of migrants to
00:31:23
Turkey Europe tensions in Europe
00:31:25
terrorist attacks and the same thing is happening all over
00:31:28
to the world and I repeat once again this is just the beginning
00:31:31
it happens that armed conflicts
00:31:33
e arise due to environmental factors including
00:31:36
number of changes and natural changes But
00:31:40
on the other hand, armed conflicts
00:31:42
also affect the environment because
00:31:45
because here's the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station for you
00:31:48
much more and again it only gets worse
00:31:53
we make no way out of the absolute smooth
00:31:56
We're approaching the apocalypse
00:31:59
nom
00:32:01
etzi fighting missile launch
00:32:05
daily is actually gigantic
00:32:09
risk is not enough
00:32:15
Chernobyl what
00:32:26
we had a candidate of biological sciences
00:32:29
on air Thank you for joining us
00:32:31
so early in the morning
00:32:32
Thank you have a nice day Well let's continue
00:32:35
our spread please like and subscribe
00:32:38
By the way, there are many many specialists here too
00:32:40
connects a variety of things you need
00:32:42
clean river beds need to be done what needs to be done
00:32:45
would have done something else, it was built incorrectly
00:32:48
the dam was repaired incorrectly
00:32:51
something else It's great if someone
00:32:53
specialist engineer
00:32:55
hydrogeologist or something else
00:32:58
a specialist dealing with these very things
00:33:00
hydraulic engineering
00:33:01
structures then let you write
00:33:04
detailed work on this topic Explain
00:33:07
Who was wrong because here's one
00:33:10
in a short phrase somehow no one has me yet
00:33:12
not convinced Let's ban the cultivation
00:33:14
cows is easier than minimizing damage
00:33:16
from large corporations by the way
00:33:18
do you remember how Or do you not remember
00:33:20
she was small
00:33:22
what about methane was scary
00:33:26
scary world shoo that's a cow
00:33:28
they forge methane and this changes the climate
00:33:31
they sinned on cows, but in general, of course
00:33:34
the cow is to blame, this is undeniable, and the mice
00:33:37
mice about gnawing Yes Koro destroys our
00:33:40
ecology everything is all logical
00:33:43
us meanwhile How
00:33:46
say it's not raining outside
00:33:49
on the contrary, the sun is shining and we are going
00:33:52
concert Yes, believe me, it’s shining outside
00:33:55
the sun is there, the birds are singing
00:33:58
I'm sorry, you're just here so soon
00:34:00
and you won’t understand Yes, we can already by the next one
00:34:01
go to our topic but first with us
00:34:03
there must be a die yes yes please and
00:34:05
please give me a magazine and I will
00:34:56
Victor Eroshenko
00:34:58
Yeah, we're already on the air Andrey Kolesnikov
00:35:01
Expert of the Carnegie Foundation and Tubers magazine
00:35:03
The New Times Good morning Good morning
00:35:07
And we want to talk to you about the new number
00:35:12
magazine of new thinking hump ours
00:35:16
the audience knows very well you have already seen
00:35:18
We probably even showed the cover
00:35:20
fully, but now I’m showing it already
00:35:22
like like a real magazine and Andrey
00:35:25
Kolesnikov is also one of
00:35:28
permanent
00:35:29
authors So here he is too
00:35:31
present but so
00:35:34
there's not much to say here
00:35:36
publication of how many fragments of the book
00:35:39
Andrey recently recently released recently
00:35:43
written like this you can say yes
00:35:45
Correctly written and
00:35:48
above are fresh In general, fresh books
00:35:52
But besides this there are many more topics
00:35:55
which it seems to me is possible with Andrey
00:35:59
it would be nice to discuss when I saw it
00:36:01
magazine I saw that there are a lot of them here
00:36:03
those who Well, how can I say they
00:36:07
very much this is what we all talk about regularly
00:36:10
we think that's why there is, for example
00:36:12
wonderful publication by Lev Gudkov
00:36:15
Lent and traditional values
00:36:18
sociological view of Orthodoxy
00:36:20
this is incredibly interesting Listen, come on
00:36:22
nm from the article which in general
00:36:25
does not concern
00:36:28
from Sai book I would like about the book
00:36:30
can you talk about this World Cup?
00:36:33
book and for whom
00:36:35
she is a book published by Elena
00:36:39
get into the fur coat
00:36:41
Fri selected places from home
00:36:45
libraries She tells unconditionally
00:36:47
about the feelings of today about how
00:36:52
homemade
00:36:53
library zat
00:36:58
[music]
00:36:59
Not because this because this is some
00:37:02
accumulated like a family
00:37:04
internal protective power and
00:37:06
intellectual and cultural strength
00:37:10
which allows you to cope with
00:37:12
horror, the permanent horror in which we
00:37:15
we are
00:37:17
now this is something to say
00:37:20
intersection
00:37:22
history of Nigo SSA is something
00:37:28
continuation of one of these books by the way
00:37:29
Elena also went out with Shubina a few times
00:37:31
years ago the intersection of these, as it were,
00:37:35
family stories
00:37:36
with exactly this analysis of our
00:37:40
cultural baggage first of all
00:37:42
literary and cinematic
00:37:45
And now is just the time when it’s worth
00:37:49
pay attention to our
00:37:52
roots on our culture which is on my
00:37:55
look completely unfairly blaming
00:37:56
in what led to what it led to
00:37:58
this is not She brought there are more specific
00:38:01
characters who are themselves
00:38:04
cancel this culture Well, so to speak and
00:38:08
either this way or this way they transform it so that it doesn’t
00:38:11
find out let's say it's used as
00:38:14
alive about protection Sorry, I wanted to
00:38:17
I wanted to clarify a little you are talking about
00:38:20
what it is
00:38:22
this has some kind of protective function
00:38:25
family library and family history
00:38:28
And
00:38:30
Russian literature first
00:38:32
queue but on the other hand even those
00:38:36
books mentioned in these
00:38:38
fragments published in the magazine
00:38:41
all these humpbacks seem to be old family ones
00:38:46
the books are terribly relevant
00:38:48
And here you can’t really escape from
00:38:51
everyday life because at every point
00:38:55
can you find a parallel
00:38:57
dm and this also protects This suggests that
00:39:01
that this too can be experienced Or it can
00:39:04
disturb and even
00:39:06
frighten and so and so on the one hand as
00:39:10
It is said in Ecclesiastes that everything has already happened and not
00:39:13
nothing new On the other hand, after all
00:39:17
today's situation is unprecedented
00:39:20
as much as one movement can
00:39:23
bring down a giant variety
00:39:28
the history of the country is not only the last 30
00:39:30
years but I don’t know the achievement there
00:39:32
Gorbachev's time of the same
00:39:34
because the magazine is like
00:39:35
Gorbachev's achievement of those people who
00:39:39
in general they tried to do something before
00:39:41
Gorbachev is surprisingly anti-risk
00:39:47
[music]
00:39:53
[music]
00:39:57
about military culture Yes, that's it
00:39:59
must establish Russian messianism
00:40:01
which returns to the most primitive
00:40:04
ideas of Russian Russian nationalism
00:40:07
imperialism is an incredible simplification
00:40:09
happened in this too
00:40:11
meaning the question is overcoming this
00:40:14
just due to that layer of culture
00:40:17
layer of culture that has been accumulated But this
00:40:20
It won't be easy, I'll ask anyway
00:40:23
this
00:40:26
why politicians let's call it so delicately
00:40:31
will go away but not
00:40:33
less rehabilitation of this culture
00:40:36
perhaps there is one of the fragments there by the way
00:40:38
which is published it is dedicated to letters
00:40:41
Thomas Man
00:40:42
Yeah, which discusses exactly those problems
00:40:45
within which we find ourselves today and about
00:40:47
of whom we are passionately arguing about our
00:40:49
collective responsibility for
00:40:50
what is happening collectively
00:40:51
responsibility of the intellectual class for
00:40:54
what's happening is that these veves
00:40:58
Germany can overcome them
00:41:01
I overcame it, but it was very difficult
00:41:05
the process according to the letters of Thomas Man is
00:41:08
you can see but really the parallels are simple
00:41:11
fantastically accurate right down to the words
00:41:15
which we ourselves use in our
00:41:17
discussion we are not the first here we are not here
00:41:20
unique to
00:41:21
unfortunately
00:41:24
this is a consolation
00:41:27
Well, people passed by and that’s by the way
00:41:31
one topic that is relevant to many
00:41:34
maybe spectators and even
00:41:37
listeners to our conversation
00:41:41
this is a home library topic like
00:41:44
lost paradise for those who left and did not
00:41:49
I could take this library with me
00:41:52
By the way, it was also relevant at the beginning of the 20th century
00:41:55
centuries and God knows when else ah-ah but now
00:41:58
the generation for which has still left
00:42:02
the home library had something like this
00:42:04
meaning Do you think this could be
00:42:07
the last people who value paper
00:42:10
home
00:42:12
there could be more library like this
00:42:14
there won't be a problem, it depends
00:42:17
internal family culture from traditions
00:42:21
they are not the real ones they talk about
00:42:23
our our leaders uh
00:42:26
[music]
00:42:27
yes Definitely now
00:42:31
[music]
00:42:42
[music]
00:42:45
paperless that's the nerve at the end
00:42:49
after all, paper books are important for
00:42:51
generations that are still more or less
00:42:54
generations that are more or less
00:42:56
able
00:42:57
even if they are 708 years old 60 years old 50 years old 40
00:43:01
years, these people are generally still in the field
00:43:04
they are doing something else they are suffering
00:43:07
trying to cope with the current situation
00:43:09
it matters to them as well
00:43:12
inside
00:43:13
family introduction to this publication
00:43:15
Boris
00:43:16
Minaev is a good wonderful writer
00:43:19
my co-author on another biography book
00:43:27
suffer intellectually from the fact that they
00:43:29
can't get in touch with their
00:43:31
paper left abandoned in Russia
00:43:36
library this is this is very important
00:43:39
moment Well, for those who left
00:43:42
children, which is also extremely important for
00:43:46
very many inside, so to speak
00:43:48
educated class which is still in
00:43:50
Russia is present, this is also part
00:43:53
At home, this is some kind of home, that is
00:43:57
there are a lot of them here
00:43:59
emotional moments after all
00:44:02
here, well, the truth is that the educated hasn’t died yet
00:44:05
cool if you go there I know the store
00:44:09
Moscow or to the flan store or to
00:44:11
Amateur
00:44:14
copper you will see a lot of people standing
00:44:18
delving into books and among them very
00:44:20
a lot of
00:44:21
young people, which makes you extremely happy
00:44:24
vice versa
00:44:27
Because now she’s not so active
00:44:29
intellectual life club life
00:44:30
lecture life people people cling to
00:44:33
any kind of reason to come on
00:44:36
somehow saturate your own brain and that
00:44:39
including understanding what is happening to us
00:44:41
now it's impossible to understand no no
00:44:44
plunging into the search again, here's how
00:44:48
the roots of what is happening and in search
00:44:51
actually some kind of intellectual
00:44:53
say or Anti intellectual
00:44:55
impulses to what happened
00:44:57
and how to deal with it is in the magazine
00:45:01
the hump we are talking about now is
00:45:04
and several literatures Well, we in general
00:45:07
literature centrina country therefore very
00:45:09
a lot is connected with literature and about
00:45:11
literature and publications, including
00:45:14
this is how you can see it yes Good And in
00:45:17
this number concerns and e
00:45:20
intellectual and literary life
00:45:22
also because it's connected and that's it
00:45:26
publication about the New World and
00:45:29
Sergei Zalygin and his new world to me
00:45:31
seems to be in the same place in the same place
00:45:34
I'll take a clip because
00:45:36
yes, the magazine room of perestroika is the same
00:45:40
this is absolutely amazing
00:45:44
some Yes very recent past
00:45:47
Perestroika How how also like this
00:45:51
intellectual intellectual club
00:45:54
to whom the writers of perestroika there
00:45:57
journalists of politics perestroika
00:45:59
perestroika children perestroika all this
00:46:01
adjoins
00:46:03
there are some other publications on which
00:46:06
maybe you should pay attention to
00:46:08
By the way, I noticed this magazine
00:46:11
on the portrait of Dugin and the newly-minted
00:46:14
Slavophiles attack the institute
00:46:17
philosophy Well, in my opinion, the Russian State University for the Humanities is still very
00:46:21
the strong one was taken under his wing
00:46:24
yes Tell me please
00:46:28
How do you look at this as a sign?
00:46:31
what and what are the consequences of this
00:46:36
suggests let's say so you know I'll start with that
00:46:39
that there is of course a lot in the magazine
00:46:42
Gorbachev's own lens through
00:46:44
which in general an attempt is made to look
00:46:47
on history on what is happening
00:46:50
now because here we are right now
00:46:53
agreed that there is a lot in history
00:46:55
Let's take a look at the fact that there are a lot of repetitions going on
00:46:58
and dealing with this story, including
00:47:00
with the history of perestroika It would seem, well
00:47:03
passed and passed nothing like all these
00:47:05
discussions
00:47:06
all the conversations come back
00:47:09
are returning Not to mention the fact that
00:47:11
It would be nice to go back to that point when
00:47:13
Perestroika began and return
00:47:15
actually to some democratic
00:47:18
conquest in the literal sense of it
00:47:20
words otherwise we are all here actually
00:47:24
there would be something like this inside
00:47:27
live and it’s terribly important to talk about
00:47:30
what happened and how it happened and who
00:47:34
what was said and who wrote what? Otherwise we
00:47:36
we find ourselves in a situation of absolute
00:47:39
obscurantism This is exactly this article
00:47:41
quite curious about Attacks on the Institute
00:47:43
philosophy that has been going on for more than one year
00:47:47
and it must be said that the institute
00:47:48
philosophy of the Academy of the Russian Academy
00:47:50
science is not a liberal institution like
00:47:53
we are the widow of the famous Great Philosopher
00:47:58
turned into quite weak
00:48:00
publicist at the end of my life I have in
00:48:02
mind
00:48:03
zino
00:48:05
there are people there who actually
00:48:08
doing what they're doing
00:48:09
philosophers call for such zenos Dugin
00:48:12
sky type, that is, to the classes themselves
00:48:15
Russian philosophy but at the institute
00:48:18
philosophies are engaged in Russian philosophy
00:48:20
do it
00:48:21
professionally moreover Russian
00:48:23
philosophy cannot be understood without
00:48:26
context of Western European philosophy
00:48:28
this is part of European philosophy that we
00:48:30
they didn’t talk about it and did it
00:48:32
European people with philosophy
00:48:35
educated at that level of education
00:48:38
which we don’t really need right now
00:48:41
I dreamed about the text you mentioned
00:48:45
about Zalygin's new world this is very
00:48:48
interesting story this is Victor Afana
00:48:50
Eroshenko [music]
00:48:57
nsm new world Prim on the front lines
00:49:00
positions he would be a member of the league head
00:49:02
department
00:49:04
journalism this small one wrote
00:49:06
memoir is really small two
00:49:09
rooms
00:49:12
where he talks about his
00:49:15
impressions here we come, as it were, to
00:49:17
another story that seems to break
00:49:20
cliche
00:49:25
[music]
00:49:26
communist publication it was one
00:49:28
from sa also worked in a magazine
00:49:30
communist If I'm correct Poroshenko -
00:49:32
this is Yegor Gaidar's closest friend
00:49:35
well, as if in human relations and
00:49:39
they met exactly in the communist and
00:49:42
here is a completely unexpected look at
00:49:43
new world zalygin which then how would we
00:49:46
everyone rated it as the most advanced
00:49:49
edition that was printed
00:49:51
already the impression arises
00:49:55
such a diary
00:49:57
that he's in some kind of stagnant swamp
00:49:59
because in the communist there was real
00:50:01
the struggle for perestroika published articles
00:50:04
against various costly projects
00:50:07
it was interesting and lively there and suddenly he
00:50:10
falls dreaming of getting naturally in
00:50:12
the new world with its glory Tvardovsky and so on
00:50:14
then a friend gets into something like this
00:50:16
a little bit like a foreign space where
00:50:18
everything is happening very slowly
00:50:22
[music]
00:50:25
where it was naturally terribly important
00:50:28
in every sense of the word and there too
00:50:30
there is some kind of struggle and he this struggle
00:50:32
describes not everything was so simple and also
00:50:35
Solzhenitsyn was pushed through Gorbachev
00:50:38
publications and with great difficulty between
00:50:41
other things, but also this Paradox
00:50:45
Eroshenko points out some
00:50:47
progressive articles by leading publicists
00:50:50
which were terribly important back then
00:50:52
figures of the ruler of thoughts coexisted with
00:50:55
something very strange, so to speak
00:50:57
articles For example, Eroshenko had
00:50:59
conflict with Zaly Zalygin pointed to
00:51:01
publication of an article by Igor Shafarevich
00:51:03
which was absolute at that time already
00:51:07
Russian nationalist
00:51:13
imperialists
00:51:16
and Zalygin simply ordered this article
00:51:20
print this as if it were within the framework
00:51:22
Zagin had quite a pluralism of opinions
00:51:25
broad-minded he was not a liberal
00:51:27
by the way, absolutely but within the limits
00:51:30
understanding that there are various
00:51:34
like positions, different opinions
00:51:36
it was worth it
00:51:37
Shenko should publish such an article
00:51:40
remembers what the halls said, this is not new
00:51:42
Mirov's article that Zalygin is scary
00:51:46
corroded and said that it’s not up to you to decide
00:51:49
my magazine when utvo zhuu
00:51:56
for financial difficulties then
00:51:59
you will decide what to print like this
00:52:00
things
00:52:01
happened that didn’t interfere Then
00:52:03
Zalygin in the new world has already begun, as it were
00:52:06
so to speak, new Russia and at the beginning
00:52:08
reforms to give huge space
00:52:10
Yaroshenko when he no longer worked there
00:52:12
publish a work diary
00:52:16
Gaidar's wide gesture for Lygin
00:52:19
as a person, as if not narrowly liberal
00:52:21
look so very curious
00:52:24
passed
00:52:26
we have so much to talk about books today
00:52:28
we talk so much about literature like you
00:52:31
explain what people who read like
00:52:33
how the same books grew on the same
00:52:35
the same books suddenly turn out to be
00:52:37
different sides of the Barricades I mean
00:52:39
this rift that is now inside
00:52:40
Russia for the war against the war for Putin
00:52:43
against Putin Why are books like this?
00:52:46
seems to be a universal way of education
00:52:48
Why don't they work?
00:52:51
the eternal theme is still working in some way
00:52:55
degrees
00:52:57
you are European educated people
00:53:00
there are European philosophers
00:53:02
there are no educated philosophers there
00:53:05
I know Putin’s favorite philosopher Ilyin
00:53:07
for example, that he is an uneducated person
00:53:09
that I read some other books Well,
00:53:11
he's like Dugin, he probably read books too
00:53:15
gin read very specific books and he
00:53:18
somehow very specific to them
00:53:19
interpret
00:53:26
the damage to Russian education is
00:53:30
what's happening to him now what's wrong with him
00:53:31
give a whole structure inside
00:53:33
RSUH is the same in general so to speak
00:53:36
a number of young people will graduate
00:53:38
people completely filled with nonsense
00:53:41
literally exchanging brains with nonsense
00:53:43
there they will be able to read some
00:53:45
books but they will not understand at all what
00:53:48
they actually read it because
00:53:50
teach the same Russian
00:53:52
Russian conservative philosophy
00:53:54
the philosophy of harvesting would be professional
00:53:57
not as part of the indoctrination of brains into
00:54:01
benefit there of the war of Great Russia Missy
00:54:03
Russian idea and so on
00:54:06
further, education is not a guarantee against
00:54:10
let's say about the military
00:54:12
views are not always a guarantee
00:54:14
from in order
00:54:17
the person did not simplify his own thinking
00:54:20
before some kind of propagandist to me with this
00:54:23
I encounter among obva here in Moscow
00:54:27
it happens, but this is rather an exception
00:54:30
rules because rather this one that one
00:54:33
environment or community or whatever it is
00:54:36
say in French it's called lieu
00:54:38
where educated people exist
00:54:41
those who left remained, well, these are people after all
00:54:44
who understand that peace is better than war
00:54:47
at least that universal human values
00:54:51
And philanthropy than values
00:54:55
called traditional
00:54:57
By the way, here in the article you mentioned by Lev
00:54:59
What Gudkova said here is very interesting
00:55:03
very accurate cape man very deep
00:55:07
he writes about the fact that traditions
00:55:10
values ​​incompatible things tradition -
00:55:13
this is something frozen in granite
00:55:16
As said
00:55:18
one and value is something
00:55:25
[music]
00:55:26
works in the genre means cult
00:55:30
death for someone there for some reason
00:55:32
abstract means the idea of
00:55:35
How huge your homeland must be
00:55:38
but this is not a value, this is an anti-censor
00:55:42
[music]
00:55:52
[music]
00:55:56
passed this stage of glorification of death and
00:55:59
glorification of war and for some reason under Putin
00:56:02
we failed again here are some
00:56:05
almost medieval concepts or
00:56:06
concepts of totalitarian regimes of the 20th century Well
00:56:09
just when
00:56:11
Homeland with His Excellency
00:56:14
absolutely merge. This is also not pure.
00:56:16
Russian experience Frankly speaking, because
00:56:19
Death for the Motherland and death for the leader is
00:56:22
well, it’s also a kind of tradition
00:56:31
Yes, of course, this is actually our
00:56:34
our today
00:56:35
[music]
00:56:36
the problem is that the value
00:56:39
become very archaic wild and
00:56:42
antiloch ideas about the world and
00:56:46
man I apologize in what
00:56:48
there were times when young people were filled with nonsense
00:56:52
brains Well, that’s just about young people I
00:56:54
I wanted to ask, I somehow see two
00:56:57
point of view on the one hand here
00:56:59
Youth are our future, they are those who
00:57:01
will not keep the Soviet Union in mind
00:57:04
and follow some old ideals
00:57:06
dream of a strong leader about imperial and with
00:57:10
on the other hand, the point of view is that
00:57:12
youth, those who grew up under Putin will
00:57:15
much more susceptible to Putin's ideas
00:57:16
because they haven’t seen any other life
00:57:18
Which country do you like?
00:57:20
closer here remembering the Marxist
00:57:23
the term dialectics is very different
00:57:27
There have been attempts to generalize the idea
00:57:30
Even before the war, young people are like this
00:57:33
progressive what is now just for
00:57:36
shift account
00:57:37
generations we
00:57:42
normalizes not yet
00:57:44
happened well, you see sociologically
00:57:47
it is clear that young people are less likely to
00:57:49
keep the war young to a lesser extent
00:57:53
program is susceptible
00:57:58
firstly, within complex cohorts it is very
00:58:01
a lot of people are simply absolutely indifferent
00:58:03
Moreover, within these cohorts there is
00:58:06
careerist who perceive simply
00:58:08
external reality Well
00:58:10
a reality that needs to be adapted
00:58:11
and which ones you need
00:58:13
there was a lot of talk
00:58:15
again this is pre-war nazm so the period that
00:58:18
actually the main aspiration
00:58:20
a significant part of getting a job
00:58:23
in MTO it’s like Gazpro
00:58:26
[music]
00:58:30
the tiny thing was hammered quickly
00:58:33
career thanks to death for
00:58:36
There was no such thing in the homeland, this is this demand
00:58:40
if he existed he had to be woken up
00:58:42
artificially partly he is awakened now
00:58:45
and for some it’s like a career
00:58:51
elevator rise
00:58:57
Putin says about the sun, he proposes
00:59:00
personnel programs why not
00:59:02
not passing through the crucible means combat
00:59:06
action Do not make a career later This
00:59:09
terrible for sure but for everyone
00:59:12
authoritarian totalitarian regimes in
00:59:14
in principle, young people are extremely
00:59:16
the young spirit of the floss is important
00:59:21
[music]
00:59:25
I remembered the totalitarian movement
00:59:28
one more one more Sorry I just remembered
00:59:30
my favorite book on this topic is Umberto
00:59:34
Eco firstly he had a wonderful
00:59:36
book Don't try to get rid of books
00:59:39
the dialogue is just about that
00:59:41
Why are books needed and what concerns this
00:59:45
this youth in the novel
00:59:49
his queens doe flame queens Lana there
00:59:52
there is this moment and they are given
00:59:55
even
00:59:57
illustrations these are the eyes of Duchi which
01:00:00
see a doctor delivering a baby
01:00:04
and all these young people there
01:00:06
small movements uh
01:00:10
little fighters there blacks and
01:00:13
Jews are little defenders there, Duchi and
01:00:17
that's all, these are the fiery youth
01:00:19
who just sacrifices everything
01:00:22
But nothing changes in this rhetoric
01:00:26
how it was done with floss and with
01:00:28
Hitler, in my opinion, is also okay with the sun
01:00:37
this is a new property of this type of mode
01:00:40
By the way, this is one of the characteristics
01:00:42
allowing us to evaluate today's
01:00:44
Putin's regime is almost totalitarian
01:00:47
NM does not have the totality that it had
01:00:50
mode
01:00:52
ideologically even from the point of view
01:00:54
political strategists absolutely repeats this
01:00:57
this very experience you mentioned If we
01:00:59
let's take mu soline VSS Italy Yes starting
01:01:03
since kindergarten then that that that kind of like
01:01:06
since Eka has pictures, this is the movement
01:01:08
de children's literature so to speak
01:01:10
children's literature with all sorts of stitches
01:01:13
all this happened and we know from
01:01:15
Let's take new rifles based on Soviet experience
01:01:17
they have flags from them with rifle songs
01:01:20
let's go mugs this is the one
01:01:23
here's Balila
01:01:24
Italian here
01:01:27
I'm proud that in 2000 I
01:01:29
I already mentioned this somewhere
01:01:32
article entitled tea with Putin
01:01:35
hinting that this person is me
01:01:38
it was visible in 2000 will be built
01:01:40
This is the kind of corporate state
01:01:42
Musovsky type we are here abstract
01:01:45
from various bad words so as not to
01:01:47
get some so to speak
01:01:49
claims But it was obvious that
01:01:53
a man with such a brain will build
01:01:56
something similar not only to Soviet
01:01:59
Union for what he understands is controlled
01:02:02
controlled society broken different
01:02:04
corporations different structures starting from
01:02:06
kindergarten They are not now
01:02:07
are embarrassed to say that they need to go to
01:02:09
kindergartens movement
01:02:11
the first movement of the first - this is ours
01:02:14
combining Pioneer and Komsomol in one
01:02:18
Yuna bottle
01:02:20
the army is even cooler than in the past
01:02:23
Soviet period in the late Soviet period
01:02:25
Well, they played lightning, but very formally
01:02:27
And here everything is still quite serious
01:02:30
taxpayers' money is there for that
01:02:31
to buy them all sorts of suits
01:02:33
and take a natural question with
01:02:37
your literary and journalistic and
01:02:42
all sorts of other sociological and even
01:02:43
legal
01:02:45
experience Well, it can’t work Well, we
01:02:49
we saw how it was done and it doesn’t work
01:02:52
still 100% result
01:02:55
impossible, kindergarten endocrine here
01:02:59
these all grow up to be absolute tins
01:03:03
Solon with soldiers
01:03:05
eyes from the point of view of the big story with
01:03:08
point of view of historical optimism
01:03:10
you can be kind of political today
01:03:13
pessimist but at the same time historical
01:03:15
optimistic that we are still out of this hole
01:03:18
let's get out and still do this kind of regime
01:03:22
really become ineffective
01:03:23
maximum people can think
01:03:27
double consciousness in people and experience
01:03:29
Soviet Union which is just in
01:03:31
the magazine is described there as if the main
01:03:33
history historical historical section
01:03:36
this means the process of the collapse of the Soviet
01:03:40
Union for example with a very curious
01:03:42
interview with Baturin who talks about
01:03:45
that if it weren’t for the State Emergency Committee it would have been possible
01:03:47
to achieve something so to speak
01:03:48
truncated format of the Soviet Union and in
01:03:51
such a truncated several columns
01:03:54
confederacy as part of the former
01:03:56
I could have survived the Soviet Union
01:03:59
I don’t really agree with this idea But the idea
01:04:00
interesting but the State Emergency Committee certainly buried
01:04:04
all hope that such things can
01:04:07
save Just started
01:04:09
centrifugal
01:04:10
processes This is also experience showing
01:04:14
that nothing lasts forever under the moon and such
01:04:17
kind of constructions are authoritarian
01:04:18
totalitarian
01:04:25
they were sometimes launched by the same pioneers
01:04:29
young Octobers and grandchildren of Ilyich and all sorts of
01:04:33
other interesting people What don't they
01:04:35
got in the way Then
01:04:36
become heroes heroes and perestroika and
01:04:41
tons of other interesting things
01:04:43
that there is still Historical optimism
01:04:46
I would like that
01:04:47
said there is pessimism because those
01:04:50
more pioneers Komsomol VS rest I
01:04:52
party means career they find themselves
01:04:55
in power
01:04:56
Yes, experience didn’t teach them anything. They
01:05:00
think they are attractive to
01:05:02
Some people are actually repelled by them
01:05:04
the same CIS countries that politely
01:05:06
they shy away from Putin and say dadada We
01:05:07
of course very interested in
01:05:09
economic cooperation But the same
01:05:12
the most Central Asian leaders with
01:05:15
with pleasure they hug not only
01:05:16
Putin but also with Macron and with anyone
01:05:18
also because they want it to be normal
01:05:22
somehow exist to maintain one's
01:05:24
power is no longer soft
01:05:27
attractive power too much
01:05:28
he demonstrated hard power and this
01:05:31
a person who has not learned from experience
01:05:33
own length including
01:05:34
Soviet life K
01:05:36
unfortunately Thank you very much We and
01:05:40
magazine Discussed with a good person
01:05:42
let's talk again yes it was
01:05:44
Andrey Kolesnikov is on our air Expert
01:05:46
Carnegie Foundation Thank you for coming to us
01:05:48
Let's show the magazine again Before
01:05:50
as we will understand further Yes maybe Ivan
01:05:52
Ivan will help us show it to us
01:05:54
will show it as expected Thank you very much
01:05:57
uh, keep in mind that here he is, just here
01:06:00
Not many copies came out and so
01:06:03
that please everyone is interested in this
01:06:06
really beautiful well published and
01:06:08
very interesting magazine 999 copies
01:06:11
now there is Well, I don’t know probably already
01:06:13
less left but you can still buy
01:06:16
If I were you, I would hurry because
01:06:18
Gorby magazine comes out limited
01:06:20
circulation due to these difficulties with
01:06:23
license we move on to the news then
01:06:25
let's continue our
01:06:30
[music]
01:06:40
9 am reversal in Moscow at the microphone
01:06:42
Lisa Anikina this is news on a live nail
01:06:45
Russian Orthodox Church in Estonia
01:06:47
may be considered terrorist
01:06:49
organizations with such initiative
01:06:50
made by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, reported by the national
01:06:53
broadcasting company
01:06:55
Orthodox Church has about 100,000 parishioners
01:06:58
according to the authorities, the subordination of the church in
01:07:00
Moscow poses a security threat
01:07:03
Estonia
01:07:05
seventeen-year-old love Lizunovo
01:07:07
transferred from house arrest to pre-trial detention center
01:07:09
Lizunov and her friend Alexander Snezhkov
01:07:11
detained in 2022 due to graffiti
01:07:14
death to the regime, criminal case against young people
01:07:17
people were charged immediately under three articles in that
01:07:19
including calls for terrorist
01:07:21
activities and extremism reminds
01:07:24
BB great-granddaughter of the legendary Soviet
01:07:26
Pilot Valery Chkalov Daria Bogdanova
01:07:29
faces 7 years in prison under article
01:07:30
calls for terrorism in Russia against
01:07:32
she was charged with criminal charges because of
01:07:34
posts on social networks and interviews with Ukrainian
01:07:37
the channel writes pcs Bogdanov has
01:07:39
Israeli citizenship, she left Russia
01:07:42
after the start
01:07:43
its in the Kharkov region announced
01:07:46
forced evacuation of families with children
01:07:48
from 47 settlements in the border
01:07:51
areas this does not apply to Kharkov
01:07:53
according to authorities in border areas
01:07:58
exchange
01:07:59
[music]
01:08:02
the European Parliament decided to remove it from the agenda
01:08:05
of the day the question of EU council funding
01:08:07
until Ukraine receives a new system
01:08:09
Air defense is a proposal from the VNS MEP
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ok Sorry then in the credits we are
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we will correct the lawyer Alexander Baev in our
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morning spread on a live nail we
01:10:15
wanted to talk to you about the situation with
01:10:17
Oleg Orlov for details
01:10:19
as far as we understand, the court refused to give
01:10:22
him the opportunity to personally attend
01:10:24
meeting Despite the fact that problems with
01:10:26
rumors prevent him from participating in
01:10:28
meeting
01:10:29
remotely Yes, we submitted a petition
01:10:32
about the personal appearance of Oleg Petrovich and Oleg himself
01:10:35
Petrovich also petitioned that
01:10:38
he wants to personally participate in this
01:10:39
during the process, we explained to the judge that in
01:10:42
as a result of these grueling
01:10:44
trips for almost a month
01:10:47
Oleg Petrovich went to
01:10:49
Lavinsky District Court to
01:10:51
familiarize yourself with your materials
01:10:52
criminal case and as a result he has yes
01:10:55
he has a cold his hearing is deteriorating we
01:10:57
explained this to the judge explained the situation
01:11:01
that only personal participation can
01:11:03
fully provide
01:11:05
and to protect the rights of Oleg Petrovich and he
01:11:08
could examine all the evidence
01:11:10
be present to hear what is happening
01:11:12
answer questions reasonably
01:11:15
Ministry of Justice more precisely
01:11:17
representative of the Ministry of Justice and so on
01:11:18
further but the judge for us in this part
01:11:21
refused the application but said that
01:11:24
video conferencing can be provided
01:11:26
on the next
01:11:27
meeting Why did she refuse to eat?
01:11:30
some kind
01:11:31
motivation the judge said at the meeting that
01:11:34
she doesn't
01:11:35
can personally What exactly is she can’t
01:11:38
ensure the appearance of Oleg Petrovich of some
01:11:41
details of the reasons why
01:11:43
happens no that is su the judge they are on
01:11:46
the meeting were not announced Wait here
01:11:50
that is, I already have here
01:11:52
If you have any questions, please introduce Him
01:11:55
had to personally and came to
01:11:57
Golovinsky court is correct Yes it is
01:12:01
delivered organized its delivery
01:12:04
Right
01:12:06
Yes means But delivery to court
01:12:10
there’s no one to organize it, that’s how it turns out
01:12:13
Yes I understand all yours
01:12:15
indignation I don't even have
01:12:17
perplexed because we have heard a lot about
01:12:20
that there are traffic jams in Moscow, that’s why there
01:12:22
in some situations or somewhere else
01:12:25
difficult means with delivery, river floods or
01:12:28
it means anything, well, I mean
01:12:31
convicted suspect not involved
01:12:33
participates via video link there
01:12:35
is somewhere at this time and it’s us
01:12:38
we know, but here it’s just like experience
01:12:42
Is there delivery? What's it like?
01:12:45
happened besides the judge who else is in this
01:12:48
may take part in
01:12:50
decisions formally tro for Golovin Random
01:12:55
consideration in the first instance
01:12:57
criminal case, that is, and his claim about that
01:13:01
to be removed from the register for
01:13:02
agent countries it occurs in already
01:13:04
Moskvoretsky District Court that is
01:13:06
Zamoskvoretsky District Court must
01:13:08
obtain permission from Golovinsky
01:13:09
district court for them to write out
01:13:12
means permission for him to come from the SZ
01:13:15
number five Vodnik has already left for
01:13:17
Zamoskvoretsky District Court That is, this
01:13:19
The procedure itself is quite complicated.
01:13:21
and moreover, she is not uncomfortable, that is
01:13:25
there aren't any really good ones
01:13:27
rules in order to
01:13:29
deliver people held in pre-trial detention centers to
01:13:32
courts As you know, they are also taken away before
01:13:36
breakfast and then there's enough
01:13:37
a useless procedure that is quite
01:13:39
takes a long time to get to the court where he is supposed to
01:13:41
sit in a room with guards not immediately
01:13:45
Provides an opportunity to become familiar with
01:13:46
documents are taken away only late, late
01:13:48
in the evening to pick it up early in the morning
01:13:51
that is, the procedure itself is arranged
01:13:53
quite inhuman in this way She
01:13:56
quite complex And despite the fact that with
01:13:58
On the one hand there is experience on the other hand
01:14:00
It's actually quite a complicated procedure though
01:14:02
the judge of the Zamoskvoretsky court, of course
01:14:04
nothing stood in the way of ensuring personal appearance
01:14:07
In my opinion, yes, ensure personal appearance
01:14:08
Oleg Petrovich in this judicial
01:14:10
the meeting is just still important I think
01:14:12
remind you that to get acquainted with the case
01:14:14
he was driven around every day, it seems
01:14:16
to his requests to give some breaks
01:14:18
it was not possible for him to be normal
01:14:19
eat take care of your health
01:14:21
just relax for a bit
01:14:24
come though it seemed
01:14:27
yes it is quite very complex
01:14:30
schedule when before breakfast there 6:00 am
01:14:33
They're lifting you up, they're already taking you somewhere.
01:14:35
They only deliver late at night and they don’t give it to me
01:14:37
no opportunity to wash or eat or
01:14:39
sleep or see a doctor early
01:14:41
in the morning at 6:00 am the next day again
01:14:44
pick up a person again through this one
01:14:46
carry out an inhuman procedure
01:14:48
there is this and for a young body it was
01:14:50
would be quite a difficult test for Ole
01:14:53
We remember Salenko These are the stories with
01:14:56
taken to court with inability to eat
01:14:59
and and Yes yes this is generally familiar but
01:15:04
there is a feeling that this is it
01:15:07
delivery in this mode is just like that
01:15:10
element Well, torture in a good way
01:15:12
bullying and not delivery to court - This is
01:15:16
the next stage of torture Well, it's true
01:15:19
somehow very
01:15:20
strange, who can I appeal to?
01:15:24
if the judge says I can't
01:15:26
provide someone to contact. That's how you do it
01:15:29
Who else can you contact a lawyer?
01:15:32
connection with the organization of the trial
01:15:36
Well, here the judge is in his right
01:15:38
there is no formal restriction on participation
01:15:41
Oleg Petrovich That is, he can
01:15:43
to participate in VKS is that she remained
01:15:45
deaf to
01:15:47
our to our stories about how
01:15:49
Oleg Petrovich's current condition is
01:15:51
this is another question, that is, formally
01:15:53
Oleg Petrovich will have the opportunity
01:15:55
read the materials and at least
01:15:58
participate via video conferencing
01:15:59
in this process Of course we are more
01:16:02
they were afraid of everything with a defense lawyer
01:16:04
Oleg Petrovich that they won’t give us any
01:16:07
personal appearance or video conference
01:16:09
will be considered in one day, but at least in
01:16:11
in this format the judge satisfied
01:16:13
petition Why is it so important for Oleg
01:16:16
Petrovich to personally participate in
01:16:19
the court just needs to say it because
01:16:22
Well, it’s clear that this is a court, such a court
01:16:25
everyone will say that Lord, what should we do there?
01:16:26
I will give him this judgment. Why is this for him?
01:16:29
important Well, let's start with the fact that this is a status about
01:16:32
foreign agents Yes, that's enough
01:16:35
discriminatory illegal law
01:16:37
limiting a huge amount
01:16:39
constitutional rights and express your
01:16:41
disagreement personally disagreement with what
01:16:43
this status has been assigned this is so
01:16:45
civic duty, taking into account the fact that Oleg
01:16:48
Petrovich citizen Yes with a capital letter
01:16:52
a person who has his own opinion
01:16:54
this issue, which has spoken a lot and
01:16:56
at its meetings about
01:16:57
TV discrediting of the Armed Forces
01:17:00
Russian Federation, that is, for Oleg
01:17:02
It is extremely important for Petrovich personally to participate
01:17:04
in this process and the most important thing is that
01:17:08
you need to argue your own reasons
01:17:12
Yes, bring your arguments against those
01:17:14
arguments it uses
01:17:15
The Ministry of Justice has already given us
01:17:18
get acquainted with the representative's objections
01:17:20
The Ministry of Justice is quite
01:17:22
many interesting points on which
01:17:25
Oleg Petrovich would be interested
01:17:27
speak
01:17:28
independently not only through
01:17:30
representatives, as far as I understand
01:17:32
conditions have now changed
01:17:33
content and seems to be even better
01:17:35
side Yes, first he got into the season
01:17:39
The procedure number is as follows
01:17:41
way that first a person for some
01:17:43
quarantine time falls into one season
01:17:46
then he gets it on a permanent basis
01:17:48
transferred to another and as far as I
01:17:50
it is known Oleg Petrovich is pleased with how
01:17:53
He was transferred to the conditions now in a pre-trial detention center
01:17:55
that is, that is, they don’t smoke there, for example, yes
01:17:58
which already greatly affects Comfort Yes
01:18:03
stay in this season that is this
01:18:05
the translation was better than this
01:18:08
quarantine season in which he sat until
01:18:10
this Uh-huh And Anna Borisova writes to us here
01:18:14
that Chalenko's board is always this way
01:18:16
treated all the suspects you
01:18:18
it didn't bother me, but in fact yes
01:18:21
all suspects were treated this way and
01:18:23
all this has been known for a long time and always
01:18:28
lawyers talked about how difficult it is
01:18:32
sometimes it’s easy to comply, I don’t even know
01:18:36
physical rights
01:18:40
people precisely because of difficulties
01:18:43
delivery to court of contents there in this
01:18:45
the court is blowing somewhere, someone is sick there
01:18:48
something else Yes, it's a long time ago
01:18:51
known but just uh
01:18:55
these are these bright bright stories They are just
01:18:59
remind us that all these
01:19:01
rules lately it seems to me
01:19:03
only getting tougher, no easing
01:19:07
I don’t know for the last 15 20 years there
01:19:13
this area has not arrived we just
01:19:15
we see these stories more often, but in fact
01:19:18
really nothing for the better, not everything for me
01:19:20
the same cells BC the same
01:19:23
the number of people we have in handcuffs
01:19:27
the same conditions are delivered there with
01:19:31
inability to eat and being in
01:19:34
these special rooms with security and
01:19:36
so on Because I I I understand
01:19:40
that there is no difference
01:19:42
in or correct
01:19:45
me what the person is suspected of or for
01:19:48
what he
01:19:49
convicted everyone looks like extremists
01:19:52
terrorists and ours in flight there and in
01:19:56
some kind of violence or it's not so Or is it
01:19:59
some are softer
01:20:03
cases, first of all I would say that
01:20:05
Of course there were changes. That is, for example
01:20:07
there was a pilot regulation of the European
01:20:09
human rights court on the conditions
01:20:11
keeping prisoners and there for the better
01:20:14
side changed the moment But about that
01:20:17
how many square meters does a person need
01:20:19
Of course, that's all for staying in a cell
01:20:23
still continues to be non-human
01:20:25
conditions That is, these are quite complex
01:20:27
harsh conditions and they spread
01:20:30
not only on political prisoners but
01:20:33
the memorial believes that Olik Petrovich
01:20:34
political prisoner But also on ordinary
01:20:37
prisoners That is, this is such a general
01:20:39
Practice is not specifically against Oleg
01:20:42
Petrovich they carry him like this in the morning, yes
01:20:45
until there late at night in court this practice
01:20:48
maybe on what
01:20:50
any example just like you are correct
01:20:52
They said yes, there are some cases that
01:20:55
are discussed about which they talk about
01:20:56
they give examples but this is practice
01:20:59
general And unfortunately she can
01:21:01
be subjected to absolutely any
01:21:03
the prisoner is just a system this way
01:21:06
arranged Yes, what is this?
01:21:07
additional punishment and conditions
01:21:10
and transportation and
01:21:13
I don’t know the attitude of the bailiffs
01:21:15
escorts to the person whose
01:21:18
they deliver this Well yes, it’s negative
01:21:20
attitude too, many with this often
01:21:22
are faced with some unreasonable
01:21:23
rudeness this is how it works
01:21:25
system And unfortunately it's pretty deaf
01:21:27
to complaints about this kind of thing That is
01:21:30
when lawyers try to appeal against such
01:21:33
inhuman conditions yes or torture
01:21:35
even the conditions are unfortunately the only one
01:21:38
the authority that was here was not deaf
01:21:41
This is unfortunately the European Court of Justice
01:21:42
human rights to which we are no longer
01:21:44
we can contact you because we left
01:21:46
from under its jurisdiction here is Russian
01:21:48
The system unfortunately remains deaf to
01:21:50
complaints from lawyers against such
01:21:53
appeals I just don’t know if everyone
01:21:55
noticed that for these
01:22:00
conditions of detention and delivery to court and
01:22:03
doesn’t have all these events
01:22:05
meaning violent or
01:22:07
nonviolent
01:22:08
a crime is charged to a person, that is
01:22:13
accountant or I don't know which one
01:22:16
some kind of financial fraud attracts
01:22:18
or political defendants
01:22:21
or I don't know, bribe taker
01:22:24
just like everyone else too
01:22:26
is in a cage There and so on or
01:22:30
there this is in the glass here in
01:22:33
Well, it would be wrong to do this
01:22:36
some difference Yes there are some
01:22:39
delivery rules contents and so on
01:22:41
further And here the difference between these conditions is not
01:22:44
should depend on what
01:22:46
committed a crime even if it
01:22:48
some kind of violent crime
01:22:49
equals to torture a person
01:22:52
imprisoned
01:22:55
not for that
01:22:56
the criminal system is aimed
01:22:58
persecution Well, they just tell us
01:23:00
what about the danger? We remember the stories
01:23:02
when in court the gang members seized
01:23:05
their guards were snatched from them there
01:23:07
weapons and fled from the courthouse that is
01:23:11
in theory, some measures should be taken
01:23:13
Well, not applied to suspects yet
01:23:17
convicted but on the other hand the same
01:23:20
the most measures apply to
01:23:22
everyone so are you with
01:23:25
tighter control definitely yes Well
01:23:27
of course when the gang was accompanied by g
01:23:30
there's one there
01:23:31
the woman was guarded and they snatched it from her
01:23:34
that means the weapon she has on her is there
01:23:37
parallel to some political
01:23:38
a process in which 10 con warriors
01:23:40
accompany some one Yes peaceful
01:23:43
absolutely intelligent political
01:23:45
prisoner But it certainly looks
01:23:47
pretty funny of course some measures
01:23:50
or the number of convoys at least in
01:23:51
depending on the situation it should
01:23:53
change and how is Oleg’s mood
01:23:56
Petrovich How
01:23:58
attitude He remains optimistic
01:24:01
incredibly better than those who
01:24:04
even lawyers who work with him
01:24:07
affairs In my opinion That is, he is cheerful
01:24:09
cheerful continues to radiate optimism
01:24:12
which he had throughout
01:24:14
processes If you followed them, he
01:24:16
answers emails to the best of his ability
01:24:18
maybe somewhere it also shares some
01:24:20
interesting moments that happen
01:24:22
in his life For example, he recently told me
01:24:24
wrote that he participated in the Championship
01:24:27
backgammon and learned to play backgammon for the first time
01:24:30
it is in the season that life continues
01:24:35
explore what's happening to him
01:24:37
Therefore, if you also want to
01:24:40
see this optimism and talk to
01:24:42
Oleg Petrovich You can write to him
01:24:44
letter via the VN system letter
01:24:47
works in season works in Sin letter yes
01:24:50
Uh-huh Yes it works well it all depends
01:24:53
of course from the addressee himself, that is, to
01:24:55
during this month while Oleg
01:24:57
Petrovich was not taken
01:24:59
opportunities to respond to that number
01:25:01
letters that he receives but he
01:25:02
gradually it does answers therefore
01:25:05
shipping and paper physical letters and
01:25:08
here is the letter through the VN system
01:25:10
happens regularly Uh-huh I'm just for
01:25:13
our viewers listeners If anyone
01:25:15
I haven’t tried it yet, please note that
01:25:17
It is enough to know the full name of the place where
01:25:21
contains the person and the year of his birth and
01:25:23
a letter is enough
01:25:25
you can easily send a letter and it arrives
01:25:28
it is there after censorship the answer comes
01:25:30
also quite quickly so I’ll turn it in
01:25:33
Your attention Well, in general and inexpensive if
01:25:36
if pus is very important for a person
01:25:39
which is located in a certain
01:25:40
information isolation of social
01:25:42
isolation I think that any communication in this
01:25:46
situation very, very cheer up Thank you
01:25:49
huge Alexandra Baeva lawyer was in
01:25:52
our broadcast Thank you for joining us
01:25:53
joined Thank you for being
01:25:55
continue your work this is very good now
01:25:57
important Yes Thank you Thank you very much I
01:26:02
just while we were talking with Alexandra
01:26:05
I remembered my Well, not very rich experience
01:26:07
we once went to court
01:26:09
for example, to the court of Nikita Bely
01:26:12
to the governor who is also dangerous
01:26:14
criminal
01:26:15
everything was usually listed there and there
01:26:19
security and dogs and everything like him there with
01:26:22
a special griller is about to pounce
01:26:25
same for us It's obvious
01:26:27
absolutely Well, this is of course 000 years ago
01:26:29
already
01:26:31
was it it was it really and and so
01:26:34
it's always like that, that's how it's supposed to be
01:26:36
be at least like
01:26:37
I wish there were trials that are allowed there
01:26:41
the public there are journalists and relatively B
01:26:44
in general it’s comfortable everything happens in that
01:26:46
sense that the judge does not threaten every
01:26:50
second, kick everyone out to He's not there either
01:26:53
calls the bailiffs but still uh
01:26:55
actually that's all
01:26:58
it's not normal I told you about m
01:27:01
what I've been reading here for the last few days
01:27:04
stories of the condemnation of the Decembrists and there, well
01:27:09
there too And they weren’t allowed either
01:27:11
attend the trial Uh-huh Well because
01:27:13
in general it was such a very
01:27:14
special
01:27:16
And they couldn’t defend themselves either
01:27:19
some of them being European
01:27:21
somehow educated there are also several of them
01:27:23
I was confused by the fact itself. Wait, what about them?
01:27:26
it turns out there were no lawyers
01:27:28
lawyers no I mean they couldn't
01:27:29
come out yourself at least to present your
01:27:31
position Lisa dear these are those
01:27:34
blessed times before before reform
01:27:37
When everything was very difficult for us
01:27:40
court but it's No there wasn't, not to mention not
01:27:43
there were ships as such, they were just
01:27:45
some documents from the village, some commission
01:27:48
I read it from the papers, it means that
01:27:50
known about this and about the other
01:27:52
them by category each category
01:27:54
punishment was imposed and sent to the sovereign
01:27:57
the sovereign means he pardoned as best he could because
01:27:59
what was possible at that time
01:28:01
legislation could in principle
01:28:03
for example sentence
01:28:05
to Well, I don’t know about boiling because
01:28:09
were still operating there Alexei
01:28:11
Mikhailovich there Peter I and so on
01:28:14
all sorts of decrees and
01:28:16
so those we know are five
01:28:19
hanged they were sentenced to
01:28:23
fourth and there were others then
01:28:25
sentenced to death in lieu of
01:28:27
this was given the following first category
01:28:31
the so-called Yes they were sentenced
01:28:34
already to death but she too, it’s like
01:28:37
here are the next ones dada yes but this is a mercy
01:28:40
just like all the sentences were like this
01:28:42
amendment to the fact that later the sovereign
01:28:45
will do because actually he judged personally
01:28:47
Nikolai, by and large, that’s it
01:28:49
returning to the staging
01:28:54
put on leg shackles
01:28:57
leg shackles
01:28:59
would be there usually Pete ex-prince ex
01:29:02
former second lieutenant There and so on and so on
01:29:06
that's when on former princes and non-princes
01:29:08
put on leg shackles Many of them
01:29:10
then in their memoirs they wrote that actually
01:29:12
actually according to the law
01:29:15
Russian in shackles and drowns only
01:29:18
those who have committed a repeat crime
01:29:22
or tried to escape
01:29:24
This doesn’t apply to us, comrades. Why
01:29:27
shackles
01:29:28
Well, for beauty, I mean it’s tradition
01:29:32
tradition is a great thing, it's a matter of
01:29:35
traditions and values ​​there was still
01:29:38
giant break in mortals
01:29:41
executions here between the last mortal
01:29:44
execution before the Decembrists and the execution itself
01:29:46
there are a lot of these five Decembrists there
01:29:49
nuances in general in Russia, but there is Eliza
01:29:52
Petrovna, for example, didn’t love, that is, she
01:29:54
all death penalties are done through oneself
01:29:56
missed it and they say she canceled
01:29:58
death penalty No she just asked
01:30:00
so that everything is sent to her for the performance
01:30:03
death sentences and she doesn't not like them
01:30:06
is not
01:30:24
Well, of course not about the noble
01:30:25
hero but
01:30:26
so really harsh and even
01:30:31
public reprisal execution but when people
01:30:36
They drove me through the gauntlet. They think
01:30:39
after that the living Healthy ones went to themselves
01:30:42
to distant
01:30:43
their garrisons sometimes assigned them this
01:30:46
the number of spitzrutens or sticks that they are
01:30:48
died before reaching the end
01:30:50
building in terrible torment, but this is not
01:30:54
damn it's so simple
01:30:56
corporal punishment yes that's why there is
01:31:00
in the history of Russia there are all sorts of amazing
01:31:03
nuances By the way, regarding the Decembrists case
01:31:04
The soldiers are also very big and
01:31:07
uprising of the Chernigov regiment and those who
01:31:10
went to the Senate although there were of course
01:31:14
significantly less than those opposing them
01:31:17
But nevertheless, there were Soldiers there too
01:31:19
who were attracted to
01:31:20
responsibility of this or that someone
01:31:22
just disbanded someone got it
01:31:24
Quite corporal punishment
01:31:28
what’s scary to remember Well, it seems
01:31:32
it seems like there are just mortals there
01:31:34
there were no verdicts but nevertheless it was so
01:31:37
Well, in general, yes, we are talking about the return
01:31:40
traditional values ​​we'll talk
01:31:42
today just literally in 5 minutes
01:31:44
with Dmitry capture about what new
01:31:47
restrictions will be imposed against lawyers
01:31:49
specifically against lawyers because
01:31:51
There is no other way to call this bill
01:31:53
It turns out that the State Duma is already in the third reading
01:31:55
accepted this new norm And of course with
01:31:58
Alexey Venediktov, we are this too
01:31:59
Let's discuss at 11:00 he will join us A
01:32:02
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01:32:32
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we had we had copies
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newspapers Just last Saturday I
01:32:52
I held it in my hands and there were copies
01:32:56
authentic authentic newspaper issues from
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far away No this is a Saransk wall newspaper
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no need What What teach just just Ales
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wondering who the next guest is to leave
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or not Alex Don't leave Alex We have
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There is a description under the video, everything is written there
01:35:00
No, not everything is there
01:35:03
written yes maybe just a person is not
01:35:05
expanded the description under the video Yes we will
01:35:08
The State Duma approved talking about lawyers
01:35:10
in the third reading the bill on
01:35:12
it seems to you that this concerns the legal profession
01:35:14
only some people who are engaged
01:35:17
the practice of law is still really
01:35:20
in fact this concerns everyone because
01:35:22
the bill on legal profession concerns
01:35:25
what can you count on
01:35:28
When you need a lawyer what is he
01:35:31
can physically do it for you
01:35:33
physically and not only and morally Why?
01:35:36
cannot and this will be described in
01:35:40
Law on Advocacy which is for now
01:35:42
It's still just a draft law, but that's the deal
01:35:45
in the third reading so what in the third
01:35:47
reading, it’s a matter of little things and that’s what we’re talking about
01:35:49
Let's talk to Dmitry with a seizure lawyer and
01:35:52
human rights activist
01:35:54
but whatever the case is, I still don’t get tired
01:36:00
to say that unfortunately the lawyer -
01:36:03
This is something that concerns everyone
01:36:06
because anything can happen Yes to me
01:36:09
it seems that the position is what you are telling us
01:36:11
here they report a flood in Orsk and Orenburg
01:36:14
15 regions were flooded, all villages drowned
01:36:18
in the water And here they tell all sorts of [ __ ]
01:36:21
What are you saying is true Orsk flood oh
01:36:26
I didn’t see anything anywhere, the man woke up
01:36:28
dear Sheriff We are already talking about this
01:36:31
Let's be honest, it's not the first day, but
01:36:34
today we started right from this with from that
01:36:36
why do floods actually happen?
01:36:39
By the way, I remembered there is such a definition
01:36:41
these are what meteorologists call it
01:36:44
especially dangerous natural phenomena
01:36:49
oh yes oh oh I’m right there is such a term
01:36:55
punish punish these
01:36:58
those who are weather forecasters
01:37:01
punished if they did not indicate the presence
01:37:04
a particularly dangerous phenomenon And here's why
01:37:07
These mailings will be coming all the time
01:37:09
terrible storm, be careful out there
01:37:11
just be quiet, honey, because if
01:37:14
You didn’t say in the forecast that there would be a thunderstorm
01:37:18
Hail with stones, strong gusts of wind and
01:37:22
God forbid anyone else was hurt or there in connection
01:37:25
with this something went wrong there somewhere
01:37:27
suffered, someone drowned and so on
01:37:32
they will also get to those who did
01:37:35
forecasts if the forecast did not indicate
01:37:37
what's there
01:37:38
flood and all sorts of floods
01:37:42
can cross all sorts of boundaries then they can
01:37:45
have complaints against those who made the forecast
01:37:48
Although something tells me that in general
01:37:50
everyone assumed and the story is exactly with
01:37:54
this unfortunate dam which is either
01:37:56
the mice ate it or people took it apart, well
01:38:00
really, it looks funny, well, well
01:38:02
It's a shame to say such things. Listen, well
01:38:04
you don't know what kind of mice there are maybe
01:38:06
there are such mice that wow, just like everyone else
01:38:08
ladies might know Maxim Kurnikov He
01:38:11
practically from these places he is all there
01:38:13
traveled and climbed and from the side
01:38:15
Kazakhstan and from Orenburg he was
01:38:18
even in my opinion the editor-in-chief of the echo
01:38:19
Orenburg at one time and now I don’t remember
01:38:22
main
01:38:29
con
01:38:30
Izu So it seems to me that
01:38:32
here Masima yes you will meet Max If
01:38:36
you will talk to him, keep in mind
01:38:38
that he knows exactly what size
01:38:40
mice in the Orenburg region, I'm sure
01:38:42
absolutely, well, well, really, it's terrible And
01:38:46
By the way, it just so happened that
01:38:48
the day before that's what we were talking about
01:38:52
I'll give it to you, we're not in any danger there
01:38:55
That's all
01:38:57
And who pulled his tongue? No, he
01:39:00
went and checked everyone was worried he was there
01:39:08
trampled and warmed up But it’s not his fault
01:39:11
he's not a mouse expert after all.
01:39:14
he he the head of the city is not really for me
01:39:18
I think I just read it
01:39:22
material from journalists who visited
01:39:24
these flooded flooded houses and
01:39:27
places, but on the cedar this is exactly what
01:39:31
Ira Vorobyova gave us a lot to read
01:39:34
very interesting and says a lot
01:39:37
Well, first of all, there are people who say
01:39:39
what if our mayor was Vladimir
01:39:41
Vladimirovich, of course we would have something like this
01:39:43
it wasn’t Oh yes, he’s delving into it
01:39:47
he always checks everything himself
01:39:50
I'll include the details, but the mayor and I don't
01:39:52
I was lucky and this is how it turned out in reality
01:39:55
many said that this year there is no
01:39:58
it will be so pompous Well, that’s quite enough
01:40:01
strange considering how snowy it was
01:40:03
winter Well, that is, it’s clear that these
01:40:04
the processes are much more complicated but it seems to me
01:40:07
straight logic when you think sharply
01:40:10
it got warmer there was a lot of snow then it
01:40:13
It's getting warmer Therefore it will all start
01:40:15
to melt somewhere Well, here you and I live
01:40:17
in not
01:40:19
floods it seems that somehow everything
01:40:22
I foretold that by the way, even I live in
01:40:26
in general, on seven hills, roughly speaking, that’s all
01:40:29
I still thought there was so much snow
01:40:31
there was so much snow and I thought that now
01:40:33
everything will melt, you won’t be able to go outside at all
01:40:34
there will be just waist-deep water Well, yes, but
01:40:36
somehow it went away very quickly and there was no water
01:40:39
everything just evaporated and vice versa
01:40:41
sandstorms started because all
01:40:43
this ice was covered in layers of sand
01:40:46
methodically with salt and grated with this
01:40:49
now it’s marble or something like that
01:40:51
baby And when I and
01:40:57
All
01:40:59
ew so my predictions are perfect
01:41:04
did not come true And in the meantime we
01:41:07
finally finally we see already
01:41:09
our next
01:41:10
guest we were just waiting to meet him Yes to
01:41:14
Dmitry Zakhvatov joins us
01:41:16
Dmitry good morning
01:41:18
zra We represent you as a lawyer and
01:41:21
human rights activist there is nothing Yes everything
01:41:24
ok good And then as a lawyer and
01:41:26
human rights activist we would like to ask you
01:41:29
What could the bill entail?
01:41:30
which is now in the third reading of the State Duma
01:41:33
approved the bill on
01:41:35
Bar you know this bill -
01:41:37
this is just a continuation of the series so to speak
01:41:40
to the Bar
01:41:43
and the ongoing attempt is completely
01:41:46
shackled completely put under
01:41:48
control of the Ministry of Justice to deprive her
01:41:51
all sorts of beginnings
01:41:53
independence
01:41:56
actually how much it will be
01:41:57
different from what we already see
01:41:59
now this is a statement of some new
01:42:02
norms or are these the same norms that
01:42:04
we see at the moment that
01:42:06
they will just be legally
01:42:07
fixed just needed
01:42:09
make more efforts to get a lawyer
01:42:11
remove from work to create
01:42:12
there is no problem for the lawyer, there are a number of
01:42:16
quite suspicious
01:42:18
alarming innovations in particular
01:42:21
one additional term is introduced
01:42:23
qualification commissions, let me remind you that
01:42:24
qualification commissions are
01:42:26
commissions that decide on issues
01:42:29
suitability of the candidate to receive
01:42:32
status of a lawyer, reception of him
01:42:33
qualifying exam
01:42:35
disciplinary proceedings
01:42:38
Yes in case including in relation
01:42:40
unwanted lawyers if current in
01:42:44
The old or rather now version of the law
01:42:46
it was envisaged that the composition
01:42:48
qualification commissions include 13
01:42:51
people of which seven are lawyers and
01:42:54
the remaining six people are two judges
01:42:56
two representatives of the Ministry of Justice and two
01:42:59
representatives of the legislative branch
01:43:01
subject of the Federation then now to these
01:43:04
six more votes can be added
01:43:08
it would be more accurate to add one more Voice from
01:43:10
representative quoting the bill
01:43:12
scientific community what is it
01:43:14
completely understandable but apparently we are talking about
01:43:16
representatives of any
01:43:21
Universities are now bending the line
01:43:24
humanitarian you all know well yes it is
01:43:27
that's how crazy Marco is
01:43:29
history talked about exactly this today
01:43:32
Yes Yes
01:43:34
Accordingly, the issue is now resolved
01:43:37
about deprivation, for example, of the status of an objectionable
01:43:40
lawyer in case this happens
01:43:42
it will be much easier to
01:43:44
compared to how it happens on
01:43:47
current moment what if before
01:43:48
after all, all the votes exceeded six then
01:43:51
now it will be at least
01:43:54
And here you need to understand that the following
01:43:56
bill because they are always fierce
01:43:58
you know we have the power to cook this or
01:44:00
another frog is always on low heat
01:44:02
when they don't make moves next
01:44:04
with the bill they can easily introduce
01:44:07
composition of the commission one more person for
01:44:10
in order to outweigh these lawyers
01:44:12
votes and thus deprive the commission
01:44:22
these squats are funny
01:44:25
Well, the truth is here 6 na se let's
01:44:28
let's do it one on one and do it all or
01:44:32
I’ll just sign everything, I don’t know there
01:44:34
Head of the Supreme Court Well, how is it Modus
01:44:38
You understand this modus operandi Yes it is
01:44:42
everyone has this way of doing things
01:44:46
the criminal has criminal handwriting Yes
01:44:48
if he serially commits certain
01:44:50
crimes But our Russian
01:44:52
the authorities are here, the modus operandi is here
01:44:54
they never do something like this
01:44:56
sudden movements after rare rare rare
01:44:58
a rare exception when it becomes
01:45:00
They are completely scared and prefer to make do
01:45:02
with one or another public organization
01:45:06
or with any protest group yes
01:45:10
Or with some institute like this
01:45:13
very neat
01:45:18
courtesy is gradually depriving him
01:45:21
independence right so on just
01:45:24
Well, this is how they work
01:45:26
accepted and therefore no need to search here
01:45:27
no logic in this you are absolutely
01:45:30
right in that at the moment
01:45:33
disbar any lawyer
01:45:35
does not represent any status at all
01:45:37
There is absolutely no need for labor for this.
01:45:39
interact with no chamber
01:45:41
the lawyer's office is just a crypt
01:45:44
I apologize for it being political
01:45:47
criminal case as it happened with
01:45:49
Navalny's defenders, for example, yes Or
01:45:51
there with Dmitry the talented
01:45:53
this is done in 5 seconds
01:45:55
no special knowledge or skills for this
01:45:58
no skills required and through criminal prosecution
01:46:01
conviction in fact the status of a lawyer
01:46:03
there is no problem in selecting a person
01:46:07
this I have I apologize for these
01:46:11
as far as I understand there are more changes
01:46:13
such a cute thing, like deprivation of status
01:46:16
lawyer for the absence of m within
01:46:20
Russian Federation let's say this if
01:46:23
the person is, as far as I understand, behind
01:46:25
outside Russia he is deprived
01:46:27
lawyer status automatically Well
01:46:29
this is what I don’t understand at all why they are
01:46:31
to be honest, they introduced it because, well, that’s it
01:46:35
famous lawyers who are forced
01:46:37
were to leave Russia anyway
01:46:39
they continue to work one way or another
01:46:41
they still keep writing
01:46:43
procedural documents organize
01:46:45
their human rights ka
01:46:47
organizations didn’t organize
01:46:50
That's why
01:46:53
Apparently for this purpose, well, you know, the absence
01:46:56
lawyer's license or
01:46:57
lack of status does not hinder you
01:47:00
opportunities to write procedural
01:47:02
documents and organize work with
01:47:04
any person can be selected
01:47:06
the certificate can be revoked by anyone
01:47:08
titles and positions and even possible
01:47:10
cancel his diploma
01:47:11
for example about higher education because
01:47:13
courts are controlled by the state and suddenly
01:47:16
maybe it will turn out that in fact
01:47:18
this law degree was obtained there
01:47:19
in some illegal way two
01:47:21
the person didn't pass the exam
01:47:23
Uh-huh Yes, after 25 years this can happen
01:47:26
can be easily found out given
01:47:28
features of our judicial system
01:47:30
which is entirely in
01:47:31
dependent on the state but you are not
01:47:33
you can't take away a person's knowledge
01:47:35
you can take away a person's experience
01:47:37
you can take it from a person
01:47:38
organizational skills and therefore
01:47:42
this norm Well, she's just stupid honestly
01:47:44
saying because well they will deprive
01:47:47
status of those who left, lawyer, what does this mean?
01:47:50
nothing will change from this at all
01:47:52
will change
01:47:53
no way
01:47:54
will prevent lawyers who have left from continuing
01:47:58
work as they work while in
01:48:01
exile to advise people who
01:48:05
are also located on the territory
01:48:07
Russia may not be able to help the defenders
01:48:11
so experienced and directly
01:48:14
work on the land, go to court and
01:48:17
the investigation is preparing legal proceedings for them
01:48:18
positions Well Next
01:48:21
under scares Yes but but actually if
01:48:26
look at exactly this part uh
01:48:29
law
01:48:31
in such a sober Yes look with a homie
01:48:34
the rest We will very quickly understand what it is
01:48:36
just some stupidity, well maybe
01:48:39
to be just the goal This is such a scarecrow for
01:48:41
so that lawyers who are considering
01:48:43
about what they weren’t doing
01:48:45
did not leave for political affairs
01:48:47
just in case from Russia and behaved
01:48:50
decency
01:48:53
don't interfere, don't bother, don't
01:48:55
defended I'm afraid that those lawyers who
01:48:57
were forced to leave Russia due to
01:49:00
threats
01:49:01
persecution are special people
01:49:04
sort of yes It’s like, for example, journalists
01:49:07
who also left Russia because of the threat
01:49:09
persecution is just business in general
01:49:11
whole life And therefore it would be enough
01:49:14
it's weird to scare them like that
01:49:17
stupidity
01:49:18
deprivation of status on the grounds
01:49:21
criticized the law, including
01:49:24
by the international community Well, we're talking
01:49:26
not only about such special lawyers
01:49:28
who decided absolutely radically
01:49:31
I'm doing everything right If I have to, I'll leave
01:49:33
If necessary, I will sacrifice everything And for sure
01:49:35
there are some people, some lawyers
01:49:37
who Well doubt whether they want to be
01:49:39
such desperate human rights activists or
01:49:41
after all, work is more expensive and important to them
01:49:44
Well, once again those people who left and
01:49:48
engage in human rights protection from abroad
01:49:50
they left for a reason and those lawyers
01:49:53
who left just like that I think that they
01:49:56
normal Oddly enough, it won’t affect me at all
01:49:58
I also read that now lawyers
01:50:00
chambers will be required to initiate
01:50:02
disciplinary proceedings against
01:50:04
lawyers for any representation
01:50:07
Ministry of Justice, this is how serious it is
01:50:11
the limitation is just coming back
01:50:14
to the first part of my
01:50:19
[music]
01:50:23
pressure on independent human rights defenders
01:50:25
Russian if it was possible before
01:50:27
refuse this or that body
01:50:30
consideration of his submission to
01:50:33
consideration of his complaint about behavior
01:50:37
defender simply because
01:50:41
this statement Well actually or in this
01:50:42
the complaint contains no basis for
01:50:44
response of the legal authorities
01:50:46
self-government then in the present
01:50:49
moment the law directly says that
01:50:52
now it’s territorial
01:50:54
federal division of the Ministry of Justice if
01:50:56
makes such a complaint then the council
01:50:58
the chamber is obliged, strictly speaking,
01:51:00
react transfer it all to
01:51:03
consideration of the coalition commission I
01:51:06
Dmitry wanted to contact you with
01:51:09
asking citizens to tell
01:51:13
citizens what do they need now including
01:51:16
and in the light of all sorts of recent ideas
01:51:20
concerning
01:51:21
lawyers can count on what
01:51:23
after all, the lawyer has the right. Here we sit
01:51:26
Lisa and I are steaming somewhere
01:51:29
preceding
01:51:52
touch any person caught in Well
01:51:55
in different circumstances according to the current
01:51:57
people don’t know the rules at all
01:51:59
why do you need a lawyer and he is needed for
01:52:02
some very specific actions from
01:52:05
to protect your rights, they tell us
01:52:07
for example, what after being detained at
01:52:09
rally Yes at such and such
01:52:11
Internal Affairs Directorate does not allow lawyer in, announces plan
01:52:14
interception But the lawyer has this
01:52:17
right fortress yes yes interception is
01:52:20
other Yes and
01:52:23
something changes in this situation or in
01:52:26
this area is still the rights of lawyers
01:52:28
remain
01:52:29
unshakable if your question sounds like
01:52:32
in the context of this bill Yes
01:52:34
which was adopted in the third reading
01:52:37
then of course
01:52:40
it's long overdue
01:52:42
issue of protection of professional rights
01:52:45
lawyers because Advocacy in Russia
01:52:49
this is such a very weak weak link
01:52:52
justice system, a lawyer has enough
01:52:55
few
01:52:59
powers can be ignored
01:53:01
it’s easy not to respond to a lawyer’s request
01:53:02
on
01:53:03
him
01:53:06
you can for this Despite the fact that
01:53:08
responsibility is provided but history
01:53:09
I know quite a few cases when someone
01:53:11
whatever this responsibility
01:53:12
firstly they attracted and secondly there
01:53:15
absolutely ridiculous amount of traffic for
01:53:17
failure to comply with a lawyer's request
01:53:19
the lawyer's request is very important
01:53:24
protect a person, for example, or search
01:53:28
person if
01:53:32
M not guaranteed the right to a lawyer How do you
01:53:35
Right
01:53:36
noticed on access to your principal
01:53:39
According to the Constitution, everyone has the right to
01:53:41
defender from the moment of actual
01:53:44
detention is a constitutional norm
01:53:47
systematically
01:53:50
she is ignored by Rita and investigated by the police
01:53:54
cases by operational services are not uncommon
01:53:57
the use of physical violence simply
01:53:59
attitude towards a lawyer you can remember
01:54:01
the history of covid times was and is
01:54:06
lawyer Diana Pinova who was beaten and
01:54:10
a fabricated case just in connection with
01:54:14
because she was trying to get to her
01:54:17
client also lawyer
01:54:20
to the world later
01:54:22
of course they justified that it was enough
01:54:24
an unprecedented case but nevertheless she
01:54:26
I just went through all the circles of hell and some
01:54:30
time was even under such measures
01:54:32
suppression as a ban on certain
01:54:36
action adversarial in our courts
01:54:39
As you know
01:54:40
she is absent
01:54:42
in fact you can offer huge
01:54:48
quantity
01:54:49
analytics evidence
01:54:52
ven if they are involved in the case then
01:54:55
They don't necessarily have to be
01:54:57
taken into account by the court and even in judicial
01:54:59
sentences
01:55:01
It’s not a fact that they will be addressed
01:55:05
attention Although the law requires it and
01:55:10
so what can we say here?
01:55:13
Because the judiciary is very weak
01:55:16
You see, the problem is independent
01:55:19
court fun lawyer
01:55:22
so weak enough Well, that is, she is in
01:55:25
law
01:55:26
spelled out more how to say more sensibly
01:55:29
still than in reality
01:55:33
fulfilled Yes of course and and these are
01:55:36
the changes do not concern just these
01:55:38
Advocacy does not concern defense issues
01:55:41
lawyers' rights does not concern the issue
01:55:43
which long ago Nara but at
01:55:46
This bill is aimed at the opposite
01:55:50
then to deprive yourself of
01:55:52
lawyer self-government which
01:55:54
as a matter of fact, they should by and large
01:55:56
happy to deal with issues
01:55:59
professional rights protection of professional rights
01:56:02
lawyers Although in reality We
01:56:04
we see that they are dealing with these issues
01:56:06
also weak in different ways
01:56:08
reasons basically now When a person
01:56:11
gets caught in a political case for
01:56:15
comparing the grille with the pre-military ones
01:56:17
years
01:56:19
him
01:56:22
legs lawyers left many lawyers
01:56:24
they are afraid of persecution because we
01:56:27
saw examples when the lawyers themselves
01:56:29
when the lawyers themselves became
01:56:30
persons involved in criminal cases It’s clear
01:56:33
that now everyone is much more unprotected
01:56:35
But how much If you're talking about
01:56:38
human rights activists, of course, not all
01:56:40
enough
01:56:43
for that totality of criminal cases
01:56:46
political ones today
01:56:55
I had a search and detained a man
01:56:59
dawn and so on Sometimes it just passes
01:57:02
several times a day and those
01:57:05
human rights lawyers who
01:57:07
have been doing this for a long time and collaborate with
01:57:22
no less Well
01:57:25
to every citizen in respect of whom
01:57:28
a criminal case has been initiated against him in any
01:57:31
in case will be provided free of charge
01:57:32
defender But how good will he be
01:57:34
work of course it's very big
01:57:35
question This is a very clear state
01:57:39
poorly finances this part of the work in
01:57:43
justice system there who
01:57:46
works in the state system He
01:57:50
I feel like this year's defender
01:57:53
This is how I felt it in connection with the courts
01:57:57
little law enforcement activity
01:57:59
has general protection of rights
01:58:01
citizens it functions a little according to
01:58:03
other templates and I'm just kidding
01:58:07
by and large they do not
01:58:09
law enforcement activities they
01:58:10
they do statistics, that is, they
01:58:12
customize
01:58:13
indicators
01:58:15
through administrative
01:58:18
manipulation detection rates
01:58:22
initiated criminal cases solved
01:58:25
for the same period last year yes
01:58:29
and thus receive an assessment of their
01:58:32
activity is generally a disaster for anyone
01:58:34
centralized police system A
01:58:36
our police system is
01:58:39
centralized, well, here’s the totality
01:58:41
all these problems, that is, the absence
01:58:43
independent
01:58:45
court centralized police officer
01:58:47
apparatus is weak Advocacy they bring
01:58:51
actually to the results that we
01:58:53
today we see that you are not
01:58:55
you can actually achieve
01:58:57
Justice in court And if you can
01:58:59
it happens once there in
01:59:01
five-year plan and then, as a rule, only in
01:59:04
jury trials Yes
01:59:07
political compositions they are not
01:59:10
provide for the possibility of considering
01:59:13
jury trials therefore those
01:59:16
100% of them end in accuser
01:59:19
sentence to one degree or another
01:59:23
severity
01:59:25
And
01:59:26
we have, I wanted to ask in conclusion
01:59:29
you Dmitry if
01:59:31
Maybe
01:59:32
Remind citizens that they should
01:59:35
It’s nice to have your own rights too
01:59:37
know That's how it is with lawyers, yes with
01:59:40
For human rights activists, everything is complicated, but with rights
01:59:42
everything means the same with rights, everything too
01:59:44
It’s not easy But here’s an example
01:59:47
stories about these door-to-door visits
01:59:50
in order to find out if anyone should join the army
01:59:54
Well I'm being rude
01:59:57
formulate What for example
02:00:00
a district police officer is not the same as a Group
02:00:03
capture and that the district police officer is completely
02:00:05
it is not necessary to open the Doors wide for him
02:00:07
he can't break down the door now or anything
02:00:09
nothing terrible will happen Well, some more
02:00:11
these are the things you would pay attention to
02:00:13
pay attention to what people are called Well
02:00:17
I pierce and act against themselves
02:00:22
enough that it's very big
02:00:23
extensive topic and put it down
02:00:26
E 5 minutes is impossible But the most general things
02:00:30
if you are afraid of mobilization and you
02:00:32
you are afraid that the local police officer will come to you or
02:00:34
police officer or if you or if
02:00:37
you hear a knock on the door and you like
02:00:39
You'll see through the door peephole what's there
02:00:42
a man who introduces himself
02:00:43
police officer and he asks you
02:00:46
open the door but you can you must
02:00:49
understand that you simply don’t have to
02:00:50
do unless we are talking about
02:00:55
You will not be searched for this at all
02:00:58
it's okay if you don't take this door
02:01:03
open if you don't know If
02:01:05
police officer on the street or in the department
02:01:08
the police or anywhere else asks
02:01:10
you have a lot of awkward questions, yes
02:01:12
you must understand what you may have
02:01:15
you have every right not to answer these questions
02:01:17
if you are detained and demanded of you
02:01:19
unlock Leo's mobile and understand
02:01:22
that you are not obligated to unlock your
02:01:24
mobile phone and nothing will happen to you
02:01:26
in case of refusal, unlock it and
02:01:30
Moreover, you need to be very careful
02:01:32
take care of your own safety
02:01:36
set a two-factor password everywhere
02:01:39
authentication in order to
02:01:41
strangers, including
02:01:44
employees did not have access to this
02:01:50
information do not answer anything you can
02:01:53
to be honest and say that I don’t know what
02:01:56
tell you because I'm afraid of you and I
02:01:59
it's uncomfortable to be around you
02:02:01
so I won't tell you anything and and
02:02:03
we will only talk
02:02:04
presence of a lawyer What if you don’t tell me
02:02:06
introduce him So we won't
02:02:07
talk to you at all And this sounds like
02:02:10
There's only a little time left of us
02:02:12
for a couple of minutes it sounds very good but
02:02:14
in theory, when your doorbell rings
02:02:17
you are policemen
02:02:18
you say adults, no one is home I
02:02:21
no one
02:02:23
so in practice there is a feeling that
02:02:24
it will only make them angry and no
02:02:26
legal norms won't work here you are
02:02:28
if you show off, I won't let you
02:02:30
see what's good on my phone
02:02:32
resisting the police with their muzzle to the floor
02:02:34
a criminal case and, by the way, they can
02:02:36
just start
02:02:38
beat Well, you see, we live unfortunately in
02:02:42
so historical
02:02:44
reality that I can't help you as a person
02:02:48
with experience I can say that it’s perfect
02:02:52
problems associated with violence Yes with
02:02:54
to the police, but I can say absolutely
02:02:57
definitely just for refusing to unlock
02:02:58
telephone You are absolutely according to the law
02:03:01
will not receive any persecution because
02:03:04
that this is your privacy and for
02:03:09
in order to extract information from you
02:03:11
By and large, the phone is needed judicially
02:03:15
some kind of ruling But Priya despite
02:03:18
on the totem
02:03:22
country that we have
02:03:24
the security forces are all strong, but here's how it's not
02:03:27
paradoxically some certain ones Oh
02:03:29
I'm sorry, he's finally here
02:03:32
appeared And then we are all tail Yes tail
02:03:34
we see yes yes this is Lucia apparently she is to me
02:03:39
will help you tell what
02:03:41
something happens despite this
02:03:44
standards of decency are still forced
02:03:47
Well, for some reason they are not forced
02:03:49
in particular no one will comply
02:03:50
break down the door
02:03:52
a search warrant is not in question there
02:03:55
detaining someone really
02:03:57
armed criminal who entered
02:04:00
give you an apartment and take you
02:04:02
Hostage and these things They
02:04:07
of course, nevertheless it is fulfilled
02:04:10
in general, citizens, this is not the same, don’t try
02:04:14
be more law-abiding
02:04:17
assumes
02:04:20
say Thank you for meeting Luke or
02:04:24
like like Lucia Yes with
02:04:27
lucius and this is where we'll probably end
02:04:33
our legal department
02:04:36
Thank you for being with us, and by the way
02:04:38
I draw the attention of all our listeners
02:04:40
spectators you wanted to leave And then you would
02:04:43
didn’t see so much beauty and didn’t
02:04:44
heard so many useful things Dmitry
02:04:47
We had a lawyer on the air and
02:04:49
human rights activist, thank you for coming to us
02:04:51
We continue our turn, we have 1 left
02:04:54
an hour before the end of this morning
02:04:56
broadcast and we will spend this hour with Alexey
02:04:59
Venediktov will have more after this
02:05:02
many programs we have
02:05:03
traditionally come out every day at my place
02:05:05
I don't have a schedule at hand right now
02:05:08
I'll read it to you again today Friday
02:05:10
there are announcements there and yours personally there
02:05:13
there is and of course a real colonel
02:05:14
traditional Friday broadcast, and
02:05:18
tomorrow we also have a morning spread
02:05:19
tomorrow the day after tomorrow Tomorrow I'm with
02:05:22
Bolshakova the day after tomorrow with Vasily
02:05:23
Polonskiy as always variety So
02:05:25
that tomorrow is also a must come
02:05:28
i.n. Media don't pass by
02:05:31
look at the light, scroll through our
02:05:34
virtual books to choose
02:05:36
what do you like best and buy there
02:05:38
there are old ones there are also new ones
02:05:40
We sell all different editions
02:05:42
interesting all useful all cool Well
02:05:45
and we move on to the news and then to
02:05:47
Alexey Venediktov
02:06:00
11:00 in Moscow at the microphone Lisa Anikina
02:06:03
this is news on a live nail, the air defense was shot down
02:06:06
five more drones on the territory
02:06:07
Belgorod region earlier this morning
02:06:10
The Ministry of Defense reported the destruction
02:06:11
four Drones in the Rostov region
02:06:14
Astro's sources claim that
02:06:16
Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery plant attacked
02:06:18
confirmations yet
02:06:20
no The Ministry of Transport ordered to strengthen protection
02:06:23
airports from drones, RBC found out
02:06:25
the department confirmed this without specifying
02:06:27
what measures are we talking about according to the information
02:06:30
building protection should be strengthened to
02:06:31
airfields classified as the first and second
02:06:34
categories of transport objects
02:06:35
infrastructure among them Vnukov
02:06:37
Sheremetyev and
02:06:39
Domodedov in Dagestan FSB and Ministry of Internal Affairs
02:06:42
detained former and current
02:06:44
Rosseti Severny employees
02:06:46
Caucasus they are suspected of stealing about 3
02:06:49
billion rubles from the budget
02:06:52
arrest Soviet court of Makhachkala They
02:06:54
are in season
02:06:56
Pyatigorsk journalist Maria Ponomarenko
02:06:59
went on a hunger strike after her
02:07:01
sent to solitary confinement by colony officers
02:07:04
threatened her with a phone ban
02:07:05
conversations with my mother were forced to write
02:07:07
explanatory During lunch and picked up
02:07:10
things and products were told by the lawyer
02:07:12
Ponomarenko was sentenced to 6 years
02:07:14
distribution case
02:07:16
fakes naha doubled in rosni
02:07:21
under the article on voluntary surrender
02:07:23
it provides for up to 10 years in prison
02:07:26
the military man is also accused of desertion in
02:07:28
mobilization period case details
02:07:30
including the name of the accused
02:07:32
the court's press service
02:07:34
reveal Russia ignored more
02:07:36
2.5 thousand decisions of the European Court on
02:07:39
human rights follows from the report
02:07:41
Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe general
02:07:43
the amount of unpaid compensation for these
02:07:45
cases exceed 2 billion euros law on
02:07:48
non-execution of ECtHR decisions was adopted in
02:07:50
Russia in June 2022
02:07:53
Switzerland will hold a referendum on
02:07:56
the issue of preserving traditional
02:07:58
Swiss neutrality initiative
02:08:00
people's party has collected the necessary
02:08:02
number of votes neutrality
02:08:03
assumes non-participation in military alliances
02:08:06
as well as the rejection of non-military
02:08:07
coercive measures including sanctions writes
02:08:10
financial Times date
02:08:12
no referendum yet
02:08:13
designated Stalin's estate near Moscow
02:08:16
Lipka Alekseevskaya bought in Mytishchi
02:08:18
company associated with the ex's family
02:08:20
Krasnodar
02:08:21
Alexandra Tkacheva reports RBC estate
02:08:24
was in an abandoned state experts
02:08:26
estimate the cost of the complex at 400-500
02:08:29
million rubles it was live news
02:08:32
let's continue
02:08:35
broadcast and before Alexey Venediktov
02:08:38
will join our morning
02:08:40
U-turn Need to lower the die
02:09:26
and drum roll Alexey Venediktov
02:09:29
finally joins the morning
02:09:31
Good morning Hello
02:09:33
Alexey Alekseevich good immediately
02:09:35
subdued
02:09:37
still can't see it
02:09:41
Well I hope they fix it now
02:09:44
somehow but I think we can
02:09:46
for now start without a picture I think that
02:09:48
viewers listeners and va
02:09:52
SLT everyone continues to be in
02:09:54
some tension about
02:09:56
Iranian-Iraqi prospects
02:10:12
but what did you take away from this conversation?
02:10:15
how serious are these
02:10:18
fears No, it’s clear that there are fears
02:10:22
In general, attacks are taken seriously here
02:10:25
this is not the first day and not the first year, but
02:10:28
point from where Iran will launch if
02:10:31
will run a big question and in addition
02:10:34
no matter what this has to do with it
02:10:36
seriously it has always been like that but we
02:10:38
We know, for example, that yesterday the minister
02:10:41
foreign affairs of the countries of the European Union
02:10:45
large countries Germany France called
02:10:48
to the Iranian Foreign Minister
02:10:52
prevent escalation and do the same thing
02:10:55
ministers of saudi arabia egypt
02:10:57
In Jordan, everyone understands that Israel
02:10:59
will answer
02:11:01
Yes, and of course this is a big escalation
02:11:05
regarding the events here, I have
02:11:07
today we taught how to behave when
02:11:09
rocket fire where to go how to run A
02:11:12
if there is nowhere to run how to sit what
02:11:15
cover parts of the body If suddenly on the street
02:11:18
turned out to be Nothing so everything is all right here
02:11:21
this is not taken seriously here
02:11:31
giggles
02:11:34
They also reminded me of that
02:11:38
how to behave look around Wherever
02:11:40
shelter Here and so on Uh-huh But by the way
02:11:43
I wanted to ask you about this, here you are
02:11:46
directly see for yourself How it is
02:11:49
It may not even be working for the first time
02:11:50
once
02:11:53
a Do you think in Russia no one
02:11:56
it occurred to me that these are the ones
02:11:59
skills that exist in Israel
02:12:02
of the entire population And for part of the Russian
02:12:05
population in general would be useful
02:12:08
somehow give instructions to people there
02:12:12
I don't know what to do there
02:12:14
master classes Sorry to conduct something
02:12:16
this needs to be done in addition to some things
02:12:19
I don’t know about evacuations, there are sirens and everything
02:12:23
other things No, well, look, first of all
02:12:27
this is the sun, these are all very protocols
02:12:29
traumatic for ordinary people
02:12:32
interrupt their usual activities and their
02:12:36
ordinary life and find yourself in a situation
02:12:39
exceptionally crisis with a threat to
02:12:41
life in Israel, shelling occurs every
02:12:44
day again I was not mistaken every day or
02:12:47
another city
02:12:51
you get confused a lot but there are tacos there
02:12:54
feature of the fragments falling from the sun is equal to
02:12:57
of course, that’s why this is already a certain image
02:13:00
life who was brought up Excuse me 75
02:13:04
years of existence of the State of Israel
02:13:06
and people there understand that this is necessary
02:13:09
You can behave like this, but not like this, I’ll remind you
02:13:11
that when we were trolleybus explosions
02:13:14
Moscow at one time had special
02:13:17
protocols do not touch packets Yes call
02:13:19
if anything
02:13:24
and after
02:13:26
these people just forgot about them because
02:13:28
nothing was repeated because it was not
02:13:30
has become a way of life somewhere in
02:13:34
Belgorod region probably really
02:13:36
we need to do this now or Kursk
02:13:39
region or Voronezh region where
02:13:41
every day anyway
02:13:43
Belgorodskaya
02:13:46
areas of that
02:13:52
this is absolutely
02:13:55
impossible I remembered by the way About
02:13:58
About these
02:13:59
our traditional aggravation
02:14:02
security that occurs after
02:14:04
some kind of disaster after
02:14:07
some after a terrorist attack and so on
02:14:10
Crocus passes there literally a day or two a day
02:14:14
public transport in
02:14:16
metro starts more carefully
02:14:18
I don't have to look through backpacks
02:14:22
look at the mogu
02:14:24
nothing The usual story is what happens in
02:14:27
France
02:14:30
there would be a daily threat all this is there
02:14:34
exceptional understand yes but here it is not
02:14:38
this is a bond
02:14:40
this is the norm in life, so I want to understand you
02:14:43
would like it to be, well, what?
02:14:46
It’s safer to introduce this as a norm, here I am
02:14:50
Don't know
02:14:53
ve in our country or is it still
02:14:56
too traumatizing really and only
02:14:59
unnerving
02:15:01
people once again I repeat to lead now to
02:15:05
Belgorod probably needs a
02:15:08
in the region it’s probably not necessary and in Kharkov
02:15:11
Kharkovskaya what am I telling Kharkovskaya
02:15:13
region this is already Vedeno ukra
02:15:22
empty I see, but just about
02:15:26
no need, obviously now
02:15:28
Russian authorities continue their tactics
02:15:31
this rear life which is Central
02:15:33
the war is somewhere far away, life is with us
02:15:36
nothing goes on everyone
02:15:38
changes as much as you think
02:15:40
justifies itself from the point of view
02:15:42
mood You just looked at
02:15:44
Israel Where is the shelling where is it hard where
02:15:46
scary and you're basically watching
02:15:48
what is happening in Russia What
02:15:49
more effective in terms of
02:15:51
society For example
02:15:54
I don't even really understand your question
02:15:58
in fact, it means once again in Israel - this
02:16:01
image
02:16:02
this won't surprise anyone in life
02:16:05
sirens will not surprise anyone with the presence
02:16:08
fortified rooms will not surprise anyone
02:16:10
the presence of bomb shelters is of no concern to anyone
02:16:14
you will surprise anyone with rules of behavior
02:16:16
no surprise, and it continues
02:16:18
I repeat many ten
02:16:22
People were already born with these protocols
02:16:25
Russian Federation this
02:16:28
no consolidation of society How does it know
02:16:31
occurs during a crisis during
02:16:34
crises it arises around either
02:16:36
certain ideas or certain
02:16:39
people we see public surveys
02:16:41
opinions regarding the so-called
02:16:44
special military
02:16:51
slaughter begin to fight for the youth
02:16:53
statements were written with reference to their
02:16:54
sources that are going to create
02:16:56
a special Ministry that will
02:16:58
actively develop among Russians
02:17:00
patriotic feelings in general we and
02:17:02
we are already seeing such a struggle for
02:17:04
patriotism within the Russian Federation
02:17:06
but now apparently it will be for this
02:17:07
special department This is how much
02:17:10
effective Is it possible not to
02:17:14
effective none effective
02:17:16
Ministry
02:17:21
can cultivate patriotic feelings
02:17:23
Yes, this is another story with a cut
02:17:25
budget Yes with the appointment of new
02:17:28
officials who will report on
02:17:30
number of pioneer ties and
02:17:32
Komsomol badges issued and this
02:17:35
everything That's why power
02:17:39
who is used to solving problems without
02:17:41
political, that is, not compromise
02:17:44
stories And bureaucratic yes
02:17:47
with orders we lower from below from above to below
02:17:50
from bottom to top with reports and this is all done
02:17:54
For show, for point of view
02:17:57
efficiency wears I would say wrong
02:17:59
that is zero And as history shows
02:18:01
The Soviet Union and its collapse minus
02:18:03
character but they don't teach anything
02:18:07
It's not just bourbons I wanted, I wanted
02:18:10
I also need to ask about efficiency because
02:18:13
what the heck
02:18:15
that's when it comes to safety
02:18:19
the effectiveness of our our people in terms of
02:18:22
our structures
02:18:24
I see, this is what's happening now
02:18:29
flooding Wait, I don’t understand What?
02:18:32
Means
02:18:33
understandable What do you understand? Well
02:18:35
efficiency is this is to report that we
02:18:39
we strengthened it, which means we started checking there
02:18:43
something else, well, that’s enough too
02:18:45
bureaucratic reaction That's how they
02:18:49
we also prove their effectiveness
02:18:50
we know exactly the same as with the pioneers or
02:18:52
there they are Komsomol members
02:18:55
list numbers there are numbers of people
02:18:58
whom they involved in it there, what in
02:19:01
reality is happening, it's already different
02:19:02
the question is with the flood Well we
02:19:05
I know God But we know, for example, what's wrong
02:19:08
the moment the missile hit the
02:19:12
Senate dome in the Kremlin no more
02:19:16
rockets up
02:19:17
Moscow, they all get lost on the leakage of Moscow
02:19:21
we know that the airports that used to be
02:19:23
closed at night Yes, as if they weren’t flying
02:19:26
because drones and missiles were flying in or
02:19:28
there's something there that doesn't close now
02:19:30
This is the question
02:19:31
efficiency yes yes that is a question
02:19:36
efficiency, that is, there is bureaucracy
02:19:38
times Yes, you can judge by reading that
02:19:43
this is actually happening
02:19:45
complex movement complex Ministry of Energy
02:19:51
Not so
02:19:52
is being done Why do you think this
02:19:54
initially
02:19:56
ineffective because it is ineffective
02:19:58
Because it's not achieved
02:20:06
bureaucratic decisions
02:20:10
OBZh I answer with public discussions
02:20:14
discussion talking about what it is
02:20:17
patriotism
02:20:21
this sun is born in competition in
02:20:23
this is not a public field
02:20:25
exists and therefore it is natural
02:20:28
takes on the character of carrion, that is
02:20:31
instructions
02:20:33
instructions
02:20:35
Well, how is a modern young man
02:20:39
whose hand there is opportunity
02:20:42
via iPhone or something else
02:20:44
go into the world will perceive
02:20:46
instruction You must Love your Motherland
02:20:48
must love someone there Well, Sami
02:20:51
think about it, well, there are other ways
02:20:54
Bota farms are there. Propaganda is also there.
02:20:57
For example
02:20:58
the arrival of new people in places like
02:21:02
RSUH there are all sorts of institutes and so on
02:21:05
when they come there the philosopher Dugin
02:21:09
when some of his lectures are given there
02:21:12
let's say
02:21:13
supporters It works Stop it
02:21:16
stop being scared stop being scared
02:21:19
shake acts don't understand
02:21:23
We have philosophers of the arc in PM there
02:21:27
sat in every office for a year
02:21:31
and there were no other philosophers in each
02:21:34
What's called
02:21:37
and we have a Komsomol organization
02:21:40
Youth Yes there was what it was 12 million 15
02:21:43
million people and and whom
02:21:48
philosopher and all races and everything fell apart because
02:21:51
that young people accepted it as
02:21:54
carrion as feeding
02:21:57
doh it will be so And what is living and this is what
02:22:00
living You see what can attract
02:22:04
for real
02:22:05
uh Why
02:22:07
strives the most
02:22:09
such a lively and young part of Russia and it
02:22:14
I like to shoot and kill there
02:22:18
work I don't I don't know actually thought
02:22:22
yes You need to do scientific work on this K
02:22:25
what the young part of Russia strives for no
02:22:27
no young part of Russia yes
02:22:29
there are completely different people with
02:22:31
different
02:22:32
we see interests in surveys, for example
02:22:35
according to all-Russian polls from different
02:22:39
social services people there
02:22:42
1824 in its absolute majority 2 p
02:22:46
advocate peace and peaceful
02:22:48
negotiation
02:22:50
people 60 plus are in favor of the majority
02:22:55
continuation of hostilities against
02:22:57
Ukraine no matter how it was
02:22:58
formulated we see a generation gap
02:23:02
young people want to live in peace, we are not now
02:23:04
discuss On what conditions in the world Not
02:23:06
shoot not kill how
02:23:09
once yes, but completely different Well, here you go
02:23:12
please because modern
02:23:15
opportunities for moji technologically they
02:23:17
it's like killing people
02:23:22
live in small towns and villages and
02:23:25
leveled the odds and opened the world to them
02:23:27
Of course they want to live in peace in one
02:23:30
sense in the world and in another sense in the world
02:23:33
Yes, and this is evident from the survey, that’s what he wants
02:23:37
youth Well, this is natural Probably
02:23:40
after all
02:23:42
it's natural
02:23:44
the movement of the young wants to live and live by
02:23:48
the possibilities are interesting
02:23:50
and this cannot be reversed, as you think
02:23:54
this is natural
02:23:56
motion suggest something else
02:24:00
I know this can’t be reversed. Suggest
02:24:04
this is not possible
02:24:05
I want to change the subject a little and
02:24:08
go to what is happening in Orenburgskaya
02:24:10
areas You communicate a lot with people
02:24:14
who have access to Putin, for example
02:24:16
who have access to senior officials
02:24:19
Or yourself
02:24:21
that we see rudeness on the part of the head
02:24:23
region in relation to local residents
02:24:25
who lost their homes as a result
02:24:27
flood in the Kremlin to this as
02:24:31
relate Well, I think that Putin
02:24:34
weighs the effectiveness of the governor
02:24:37
paslera it's you who bashfully doesn't
02:24:44
mentions
02:24:46
this fu
02:24:52
more important than his is this phrase, in my opinion
02:24:56
it was Peskov who answered something I no longer
02:24:58
I remember in
02:24:59
trip Well, yes, there are bureaucrats like that
02:25:04
people are different people are among them
02:25:09
is the efficiency that costs
02:25:11
higher than normal communication with
02:25:14
people Well, efficiency probably
02:25:17
governor is now saving people
02:25:21
providing assistance to victims
02:25:24
compensation systems are work
02:25:26
we don’t have a normal manager from here
02:25:29
we see, but there is, for example, a question: How much?
02:25:32
died during this flood in
02:25:34
Orenburg region in Kazakhstan nearby
02:25:37
And how much
02:25:39
people are evacuated safely
02:25:42
a decision is made quickly
02:25:44
compensation We see that in Orsk it is
02:25:46
was
02:25:47
Sumy was given slowly
02:25:51
Uh-huh Yes yes yes yes this is a question in general
02:25:54
like this Imagine being there
02:25:56
governor or mayor you have this
02:25:58
natural history and you have limited
02:26:00
resource How will you distribute it to them and
02:26:02
will
02:26:03
efficiency How do you use this resource
02:26:06
dispose of it in a limited manner This will be
02:26:10
efficiency but apparently they calculated it
02:26:12
that it is quite effective
02:26:14
act there
02:26:17
no tah s
02:26:21
in m with these words the fact that in principle
02:26:24
the dam broke isn't it enough
02:26:26
tragic event to hit
02:26:28
to the governor in the hat Well, he should
02:26:30
be responsible for making sure everything is fine or
02:26:32
no or not
02:26:34
must Lisa if it breaks under you
02:26:37
I have to serve you the table
02:26:40
Posha I don’t know, you’re just like Putin
02:26:44
Hitting the hat solves the problem
02:26:47
This is how our bureaucracy works
02:26:50
you are confident that this is the one
02:26:53
effective way Well, no No, yes, well
02:26:56
wait if the chair breaks
02:26:59
there must be people watching
02:27:00
to ensure that the chair under me is in good order
02:27:02
if it is not working then we have Yes
02:27:06
we don't have people like that we don't have but but by
02:27:10
about the flood here with me
02:27:13
My questions may be naive Maybe
02:27:15
maybe I don't understand something about this at all
02:27:17
So we talked there with people who
02:27:19
understand what's going on there
02:27:20
spill warming everything this is this
02:27:24
But from the news that we see from
02:27:27
statements there from all sorts of officials and that
02:27:30
but the mayor is insipidly memorable, we understand that
02:27:33
no one expected no one expected that
02:27:35
warming
02:27:37
and will lead to such a flood that
02:27:40
the level will be exactly like this What exactly
02:27:42
that the dam does not protect this
02:27:45
no one expected this to say
02:27:48
that were admitted
02:27:53
of course Initially you need to force
02:27:56
officials so that they save people and
02:27:58
then give them goodies. The time will come.
02:28:01
debriefing but no need to put
02:28:04
horse muzzle to
02:28:05
cart for officials
02:28:09
stop now When you need their help This is
02:28:12
mismanagement and so on
02:28:19
ndi in France There are mayors, everything is there too
02:28:24
We didn’t expect that the first thing was to save people
02:28:27
help people yes provide
02:28:30
compensation and everything else
02:28:32
then they can then these
02:28:35
officials cannot be chosen simply from
02:28:38
There are a few of them self-government there
02:28:39
differently
02:28:41
arranged. What does self-government have to do with it?
02:28:44
it's arranged differently again
02:28:46
priorities When disaster strikes
02:28:48
disaster
02:28:53
People A is interested
02:28:56
ra effectively saves people and then
02:29:00
figure out who's there Overlooked the dam C
02:29:02
which side did you overlook the dam? Why in
02:29:04
Same thing in Kazakhstan
02:29:06
they did it nearby in this dam Yes, of course
02:29:10
We need to figure it out, but the first step is help.
02:29:12
people but it's obvious
02:29:14
[music]
02:29:20
there would be no way to help people if
02:29:22
the chair didn't break If people had deliberately
02:29:25
trained people walked and looked for mice
02:29:27
didn’t chew the chair Yes, that means natural
02:29:31
things to prevent the dam from bursting
02:29:33
so that the volcano does not erupt so that
02:29:36
there were no earthquakes, we are everything
02:29:38
we understand Well, for example, so that it doesn’t happen
02:29:41
arson of grass burning can be monitored then
02:29:45
there will be fewer natural fires every year
02:29:48
talk raw yes yes yes yes she does it
02:29:52
does a lot
02:29:53
years This is nonsense Well, that is, nothing
02:29:57
it works, well, yes, it’s just that you seem to
02:30:00
relieve responsibility from those who
02:30:01
had to ensure security and
02:30:04
this dam and in principle
02:30:06
region I'm telling you how
02:30:08
little Putin Now I blame you
02:30:11
raised like this And you are brilliant at this
02:30:16
Listen to the beginning, help me later
02:30:20
responsibility only in this order
02:30:23
By the way, it’s interesting, I read it in
02:30:24
report from Orsk just oh well
02:30:28
correspondent there on boats
02:30:30
traveled there with people talked to everything
02:30:34
the cats were rescued, everything was done as expected and
02:30:36
very often people said that
02:30:38
if only we had one like this
02:30:40
he's such a real mayor, like Vladimir
02:30:44
Vladimirovich who delves into everything
02:30:46
which is about here
02:30:50
was
02:30:51
ok listen how is it how is it for him
02:30:53
succeeds I would like to
02:30:56
learn to be so perfect I have in
02:30:59
like Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
02:31:01
manages to be like this in people's opinion
02:31:04
here is the ideal ruler despite the fact that he
02:31:07
subordinates often fail
02:31:09
for some reason he will punish them because
02:31:12
what Vladimir Vladimirovich chose long ago
02:31:14
imagine a form like this
02:31:18
Batman was putting up a Christmas tree
02:31:21
request and flew away and
02:31:24
flew away it really is like this
02:31:26
patriarchal autocratic is built
02:31:34
created the image very
02:31:38
it was like this for a long time why with this image
02:31:41
he has not arrived in Orenburg now
02:31:43
area never
02:31:47
flies just in case it’s new if you remember
02:31:50
Kemerovo Winter cherry he didn’t arrive
02:31:54
straightaway
02:31:55
Yes, he explains it like this if I arrive
02:31:59
everyone is focused on me and not liquidation
02:32:04
consequences That's it
02:32:06
explanation by the way considering very often
02:32:10
the sycophancy of our officials is
02:32:12
fair than the price
02:32:15
cat deputy
02:32:24
this is the beginning you know when from the Kursk shelf
02:32:27
If you do, it hasn't changed anything in a while
02:32:30
these 24 years he was then for us journalists
02:32:33
Pula explained: I would have flown and everything would have been
02:32:37
me Admirals stood instead
02:32:39
engage in search and rescue
02:32:41
works Yes maybe it's not true Maybe it's
02:32:45
is it true that Amira
02:32:51
this is known as for isn’t Putin
02:32:53
resource to force admirals
02:32:55
engage in rescue work and not
02:32:56
stand side by side and don't look at
02:32:59
mouth
02:33:01
no Question removed, everything is correct
02:33:05
he has nothing to do with arriving in the Oryol region
02:33:06
distract people from work Dava Orlovskaya
02:33:10
immediately Oh Orenburg excuse me please
02:33:12
to Orenburg Let's forget Ridna again
02:33:15
Let's finally talk about progress
02:33:18
what about the sanctions that were
02:33:21
aimed at Friedman and Aven you about
02:33:23
this is what
02:33:25
think
02:33:27
Well my point of view hasn't changed
02:33:30
channel viewers know my point very well
02:33:32
I think that
02:33:34
administering such personal sanctions
02:33:37
was, as it now turns out, illegal
02:33:40
this part of the sanctions Yes, because the court
02:33:43
it determines the relation to the law it was
02:33:45
nekon I came from know the law
02:33:50
European Commission rules I proceeded from that
02:33:52
that this is wrong and ineffective
02:33:54
so I have nothing except this
02:33:56
the correct decision of the court is firstly
02:33:59
the court corrected the lawful decision of the court
02:34:02
governments European Commission governments
02:34:04
Yes, the court corrected the government, wasn’t it bad?
02:34:06
it's good second story If you
02:34:10
look at the actual thing
02:34:12
changed exactly to
02:34:15
this name he is from
02:34:18
points in the article that Putin is good
02:34:22
attention is paid to the article of the fifth year
02:34:24
2005 good attitude means
02:34:27
the leader of the alpha groups is really a
02:34:30
also there it's in fact everything also there
02:34:33
several tweets were attracted
02:34:36
attention to tweets from journalists who
02:34:38
claimed that Putin is helping Alpha
02:34:41
they just didn’t even approve the tweet, but so well
02:34:43
Putin helps Alpha I tweeted Yes
02:34:46
Putin helps Alpha get there
02:34:48
such-and-such an asset I wrote a tweet Here it is in
02:34:50
actual level
02:34:52
This means that the European Commission’s arguments were
02:34:55
this is what the court said Wait your
02:34:57
argument Yes
02:35:00
not soft enough European and this one
02:35:03
part of the sanctions is part of the sanctions
02:35:06
which they were in March
02:35:09
second year until November twenty, I think
02:35:13
third year declared illegal there
02:35:16
there are other sanctions they continue
02:35:17
remain under the sanctions that were
02:35:20
later but this opens the way to many
02:35:24
countries have case law
02:35:26
opens the way for others not only
02:35:29
only to Russian entrepreneurs and
02:35:32
just for private citizens to apply
02:35:34
European Court to challenge
02:35:36
European sanctions are not the first
02:35:37
I will remind you that the court decision
02:35:39
they canceled the previous court hearing
02:35:41
sanctions from Evgeniy's mother
02:35:45
prigo Yes she was under sanctions were not
02:35:48
recording some of his assets in Europe yes but
02:35:51
the European Commission is here again immediately
02:35:52
introduced new sanctions against her but in
02:35:54
In principle, this proves that judicial
02:35:56
the system works and I apologize They
02:36:00
they constantly review sanctions or
02:36:02
or it seems to me once every six months
02:36:05
six months is just a procedure it should be
02:36:07
be yes, that is, it’s not some kind of straight
02:36:09
special They led This question can be
02:36:12
challenge the procedure, but the story is that
02:36:14
Now the race begins, we've taken it off you
02:36:17
sanctions for this and we are giving you sanctions
02:36:20
six months later again so the last ones
02:36:23
sanctions that were imposed against
02:36:25
Ridna in the European Union they are action
02:36:28
every six months they seem to
02:36:30
resume maybe someone
02:36:33
I will once again repeat the imposition of sanctions on
02:36:36
my
02:36:38
look absolutely ineffective it's already
02:36:41
Proven Well then
02:36:45
here you go
02:36:50
carry out his policies this led to this
02:36:52
sanctions people lived in Europe
02:36:54
minding their own business Yes they were
02:36:56
returned to the country with their
02:36:58
money that is now working for
02:37:00
government on military-industrial
02:37:02
the complex is the result of these sanctions Well
02:37:06
here is the European Court Despite all these
02:37:09
he took the troubles purely legal
02:37:11
solution your arguments are not convincing
02:37:15
the words of the European Commission are insufficient for this
02:37:17
to impose sanctions against private
02:37:20
property, which is very important, that is
02:37:22
practically froze private
02:37:23
property, that is, this base
02:37:26
European about what is private
02:37:27
property is inviolable Yes it is
02:37:29
these sanctions, if it doesn’t break then
02:37:31
undermined the court said just a second This
02:37:34
illegal It was illegally canceled That's it
02:37:37
this part Well, there will be more and more
02:37:39
continue And by the way it will continue
02:37:41
as if some of the sanctions were lifted from
02:37:46
personal with these specific people they
02:37:48
that now they will fly back the free world and
02:37:53
will stop whatever it is
02:37:56
to help
02:37:58
I won't tell you anything about love
02:38:02
how about
02:38:03
patriotism is important
02:38:07
justice restoration
02:38:09
there is only one justice
02:38:11
of important
02:38:16
restoration for what
02:38:20
By the way, this is clearly stated in the court decision
02:38:22
what if people were silent and did not speak out
02:38:24
about yours in no way about
02:38:28
politicians it doesn't make them guilty
02:38:31
they cannot be asked to sit down
02:38:34
for some kind of political
02:38:37
said the line
02:38:40
court they were silent and you cannot them
02:38:42
blame
02:38:51
this is their sovereign right, each individual
02:38:53
the right of every person is a very important cla
02:38:57
court decisions This does not apply to many
02:39:00
only to
02:39:02
businessmen Yes, this applies to everyone, but
02:39:05
I'm telling you about the trial that took place
02:39:08
such an important decision so it seems that
02:39:11
restoration of justice is not
02:39:13
less important than whether they love someone
02:39:15
fly
02:39:19
were ineffective and even vice versa
02:39:21
worked So
02:39:23
now it's it's it's not that important but how
02:39:26
they will
02:39:28
now what will be the effect I have on Po
02:39:31
about the fact that a person should not
02:39:33
swear in love or not love for one's there
02:39:37
Putin and so on But what about the athletes?
02:39:40
what about cultural figures whose different
02:39:43
situations just for this feat
02:39:51
this doesn't mean that if we're talking about
02:39:53
The Olympic Committee is right there
02:39:55
non-admission of those who supported their so A
02:40:00
if the athlete fared
02:40:05
allowed that is there actually
02:40:08
again no one forces a person
02:40:10
take an oath
02:40:12
some kind and this is normal European
02:40:16
another look up
02:40:19
abnormal no There you are Bring it
02:40:21
take the oath here now, take it
02:40:23
oath and then we will give you your property
02:40:26
let's return Well then these people should give
02:40:29
before the same European Court and
02:40:33
try not to do this to them
02:40:37
did they do it and is there any work being done now?
02:40:39
discussion do you know
02:40:42
you a new system of imposing sanctions so that
02:40:45
they didn’t impose sanctions and then you need to go to court
02:40:47
prove that you are not Vert first
02:40:50
I don’t know about some court hearings
02:40:52
in water
02:40:54
sanctions No, not carried out because
02:40:57
sanctions are being introduced and this is one of the problems
02:41:00
Out of court, not even in
02:41:02
out of court and in order without
02:41:05
discussions with someone accused of something
02:41:07
they accuse him and don't give him a chance
02:41:10
defend themselves and immediately introduce punishment
02:41:14
what is my complaint about the sanctions regime
02:41:16
Yes, you declare a person like that
02:41:20
and immediately introduce punishment not just
02:41:22
announce the punishment there
02:41:23
freezing bans and depriving you of Rights without
02:41:27
court decision you are limited to it
02:41:30
rights without discussion, this is how we see it
02:41:33
the court corrected
02:41:35
by the way it has now passed since March Yes
02:41:38
for 2 years already, for 2 years people have been deprived
02:41:40
rights defined in relation to
02:41:43
own number
02:41:45
property and court re but unfortunately himself
02:41:50
the sanctions regime is being introduced outside
02:41:52
discussion out of court and this
02:41:56
big lack but just not very
02:41:59
I understand why this situation still exists
02:42:00
didn’t move in any direction although
02:42:02
at least considering the large number
02:42:04
Russian opposition politicians
02:42:06
who communicate with the European Parliament
02:42:07
who are trying to explain what it is
02:42:09
ineffective that's not how it works
02:42:11
a huge number of experts say
02:42:13
about what it is
02:42:15
ineffective answer Look at
02:42:18
statement
02:42:20
op watering by
02:42:23
regarding the lifting of sanctions
02:42:26
with with words What a nightmare, what a shame
02:42:31
shame this is such a part of the opposition
02:42:36
policy
02:42:39
Absolutely a nightmare so ask them
02:42:43
Nya ask ute
02:42:53
someone should be competitive
02:42:56
the procedure is not necessarily judicial but
02:42:59
Necessarily
02:43:02
adversarial is not done officials
02:43:05
can lift sanctions can impose
02:43:07
sanctions for this is not the case procedure is not visible
02:43:10
there is no evidence, here is the evidence
02:43:18
journals of the European Commission or some website
02:43:20
where everyone can write something and
02:43:23
based on the fact that everyone is someone
02:43:24
wrote something, tweeted or spread
02:43:27
You can introduce sanctions Well, fear God
02:43:30
But on the other hand, many people do not
02:43:32
paid attention to this, this is what
02:43:34
did you notice that this is
02:43:36
unfair and somehow very clumsy
02:43:39
ineffective because inside Russia
02:43:41
in general everything is like that
02:43:43
works zat can be semi
02:43:50
under absolutely Putin's approaches first
02:43:55
what Lisa shows us first
02:43:57
punish then figure it out Well, that’s it
02:43:59
I see, well, thanks, I'm in charge now
02:44:02
us and this Lord is an example of the regime
02:44:06
acting yes yes Well you are you
02:44:10
put
02:44:11
Bach yes And you are young, you are Putin
02:44:15
raised correctly Well, in general it’s logical
02:44:16
everything is fair, that's it
02:44:18
efficiency
02:44:19
I don’t remember I don’t know Propaganda Here she is
02:44:21
here Yes, probably so why are they mocking
02:44:26
above Oleg Orlov right now we see
02:44:28
that after it every day
02:44:30
took him to get acquainted with the case in court
02:44:32
for some reason they refuse to bring
02:44:34
so that he can participate in the meeting remotely
02:44:36
he says that because of spoiling the gos
02:44:38
he heard it
02:44:42
hard listen this is a working machine yes
02:44:47
a machine that has no mercy
02:44:50
and is devoid of even any signs of that
02:44:52
what needs to be demonstrated somehow
02:44:54
respect for a person Because if you
02:45:04
she doesn't show you anything
02:45:06
will bring you more than a headache
02:45:08
boss why did he let him in, he’s an enemy
02:45:11
people why are you
02:45:19
that's why What do you want to say by this You
02:45:22
you want to say that you are on his side and
02:45:24
so people inside this system
02:45:26
absolutely ruthless and unmerciful
02:45:29
demonstrate
02:45:30
ruthlessness
02:45:34
life is merciless for bureaucrats Yes
02:45:38
You can't show mercy
02:45:40
the bosses will understand, the bosses will not understand
02:45:49
with demonstrative no mercy I
02:45:51
I remembered the story Sorry with the cut off
02:45:55
ear and detention of terrorists and with
02:45:59
discussion especially discussion of this
02:46:01
video we remember it all there and
02:46:04
uh, all sorts of things were naturally expressed
02:46:07
words that And how they should have behaved
02:46:09
news if there is a terrible one in front of them
02:46:11
criminal Well okay Yes this argument
02:46:13
also understandable, although I can’t understand it
02:46:16
admit a
02:46:19
video of a man being detained appears
02:46:23
who killed the police because they
02:46:26
caught him looking for bookmarks or something
02:46:30
something like that he was hiding there
02:46:33
in the Tver region There is another one first
02:46:35
a man was accidentally detained with the same
02:46:37
motorcycle Well, in general, [ __ ] him
02:46:40
absolutely the same Well how can I say good
02:46:42
looking calm its very calm
02:46:46
they ask he answers Well, you killed you killed
02:46:50
I killed Yes why there what are you there
02:46:52
you admit that you did it, you did it calmly
02:46:55
a sitting man whom no one pokes
02:46:57
and by the way he killed the police and he
02:47:00
by the way drugs means
02:47:03
sold drugs and here he is
02:47:05
good one should be treated with humanity
02:47:08
and the law Why so what does it say A
02:47:12
you wanted an ear I don't remember No I wanted I
02:47:15
I wanted to understand why the ear
02:47:21
and here it is
02:47:24
that's how criminals should
02:47:27
detain and say yes yes so them and
02:47:28
must be detained and then we
02:47:30
show the criminal too. In general, not
02:47:32
the most beautiful person in the world
02:47:34
It turns out that it is possible, it turns out that it is possible
02:47:36
was for whom for whom
02:47:40
acceptable to whom acceptable to viewers
02:47:45
I don't know there's a talk show
02:47:49
easy to explain to viewers
02:47:51
a terrorist act was committed
02:47:54
it was directed specifically against these
02:47:56
spectators against civilians and people
02:48:00
they understand this - solidarity
02:48:04
this is any social psychologist for you
02:48:08
will explain Yes because every person
02:48:10
could put himself in the place of the victim in
02:48:13
hall of the cropus center and therefore no
02:48:16
mercy and that's why it was about
02:48:19
Yes, they sold quite successfully
02:48:22
tell the police they are strangers to them
02:48:26
treat the population poorly
02:48:30
not good They are strangers they are different and this is what it is
02:48:35
If we talk about the audience, this is what it is
02:48:37
indifference to Well, that was their job
02:48:39
detain They are armed They are not
02:48:41
civilians They could shoot back
02:48:44
this is the perception If we talk about those
02:48:47
who understands this, therefore, what if we talk
02:48:50
about those who detained Well
02:48:52
listen terrorists or suspects
02:48:54
in terrorism were detained on the trail
02:48:57
here it is immediately Yes, it hasn’t cooled down
02:49:00
bye
02:49:02
besides it also worked, you know this
02:49:05
called fear times rage
02:49:07
Adrenaline and such a chase it was
02:49:11
to take revenge is the basis was to take revenge here
02:49:16
take revenge here
02:49:19
why 5 days? Well, we were looking for the code
02:49:21
passions have subsided Uh-huh Well, they detained In addition
02:49:25
I would like to remind you that the previous
02:49:27
when they detained it later it turned out that it was
02:49:29
the court that this is a mistake that it’s not him but yes and
02:49:33
so that means they are more careful, what if
02:49:35
it's not him either, although he is something there
02:49:37
says so there can be a lot
02:49:39
different times different from imagine
02:49:43
what kind of people what kind Well, conditionally
02:49:47
criminals or whatever
02:49:49
announced
02:49:51
criminals The broad masses want
02:49:53
lynching immediately And which one is enough
02:49:56
I'm indifferent
02:49:59
I was amazed I was amazed
02:50:01
that there is a message there about incidents in
02:50:04
In Moscow, the child was throwing something
02:50:06
burning paper from the window and as a result
02:50:09
set fire
02:50:10
the neighbor's balcony was big
02:50:13
serious
02:50:14
fire calls to lynch a child send
02:50:19
because it's really easy for yourself
02:50:21
imagine how you burned completely
02:50:23
apartment and need to be executed
02:50:26
baby these are people who associate themselves
02:50:29
victims because that's how it is
02:50:31
opportunity to associate yourself
02:50:34
victims with armed police
02:50:36
people in uniform who
02:50:39
there
02:50:41
would people
02:50:49
the fact of the death of Aley Navalny on the 10th day
02:50:53
Do you think they are there?
02:50:55
check, wait, it's there, he's not
02:51:00
extended he canceled the waiver
02:51:03
extension, the court overturned the refusal to extend
02:51:07
and returned it to the investigative committee. Well
02:51:10
there are procedural things that means
02:51:21
unsubscribed
02:51:24
Yes, they know they are still checking something there
02:51:27
how can you tell what they check in
02:51:29
sugar probably interview those who were
02:51:31
nearby looks at the diet there
02:51:34
temperature regime as it was observed in
02:51:36
regarding Alexei Navalny Well then
02:51:39
investigators doing their usual work
02:51:41
those investigators who do their work there
02:51:43
regular work
02:51:49
documentation
02:51:53
conversation with people with witnesses
02:51:56
Yes, but this is a procedural work if
02:51:58
there is a complaint This is how it should be
02:52:00
be investigated and everyday life should not be given
02:52:02
just an unsubscribe but a reasoned answer
02:52:04
Well, apparently they took another 10 days but just
02:52:08
Alexei Navalny This is not ordinary
02:52:09
prisoner there must be some
02:52:12
special instructions special attention
02:52:14
some special conditions
02:52:19
it's all about checking these orders
02:52:21
Were they preserved in written form?
02:52:23
documents or these orders as if
02:52:26
there weren't because they don't exist
02:52:28
documents so I don’t really understand
02:52:31
your objection no it’s not like that
02:52:33
the objection is
02:52:35
clarification Well, for them it’s normal
02:52:37
a prisoner here for the investigator there
02:52:39
who came to this place from somewhere
02:52:41
unhappy
02:52:44
Solikha ZAZ
02:52:48
it is claimed by his loved ones that he died
02:52:51
violent death must be checked well
02:52:53
that is, with any prisoner in similar
02:52:56
circumstances would still be carried out
02:52:57
Here is the same rather long check
02:53:00
Right
02:53:01
but a man dies and it’s unclear Well, if
02:53:05
have a complaint for example exactly the same yes
02:53:07
there is a complaint received
02:53:10
Yeah absolutely And by the way, about Alexey
02:53:15
Navalny because she appeared
02:53:16
information that he wrote a memoir
02:53:20
that they will be published
02:53:23
And for some reason this also caused a strange
02:53:26
reaction in some places he couldn't he
02:53:29
I couldn’t write it myself and you have something else
02:53:33
about this Which one
02:53:37
opinion what we know firstly we know
02:53:40
that this book he is writing the word to write
02:53:43
wrong left dictating about this too
02:53:46
speaks
02:53:48
e
02:53:49
Who after the poisoning when he was in
02:53:53
Berlin it was 2 months later
02:53:55
poisoning means it started in November
02:53:59
from November to December to January he wrote in
02:54:02
Berlin dictated
02:54:06
then he was in prison and from there too
02:54:10
I wrote and conveyed it once and now it’s like
02:54:14
Knop Koto publishing house approves
02:54:17
belongs to Bertelsmann it's very
02:54:19
serious reputable publishing house
02:54:22
I assure you it will be checked there 100 times by lawyers
02:54:25
so that Flo doesn't come out they will check 100 times
02:54:28
Is it really Navalny here 100
02:54:30
once they check because otherwise he will be sued
02:54:32
they'll throw it in, which means it's like now
02:54:36
the publishing house says it means Julia
02:54:39
Navalnaya is working with editors
02:54:41
by the editors of this
02:54:42
manuscripts Well, let's read it, I'm not at all
02:54:45
ready to discuss there how it is there yes E we
02:54:50
we know that it was difficult to convey
02:54:52
read the interview with Olga Mikhailova
02:54:55
lawyer, which is very common and they generally have
02:54:58
there was no contact they were behind glass
02:55:00
so it was even bad to hear something
02:55:02
somehow he conveyed Oh well, these are legal
02:55:05
questions actually but let's
02:55:07
Let's wait for the book, it will be released on October 22
02:55:10
I say again this is very serious
02:55:11
publishing house new life bertelsmann
02:55:13
which just like that and which they won’t
02:55:16
make them look solid
02:55:19
I just saw maybe you have
02:55:21
there is an answer that the book will be translated into
02:55:23
many languages ​​including Russian
02:55:25
I have a question: what language is it in?
02:55:28
written Maybe you have something about this
02:55:31
you know maybe this could be this
02:55:34
there was a crooked wording I didn't
02:55:36
formulated
02:55:40
Izya I think yes I think who
02:55:44
no rusm
02:55:48
It is true that in the World Cup the first edition will not be
02:55:50
in Russian it is done for
02:55:52
Western listener for commercial
02:55:55
success because Alexey's book
02:55:57
Navalny Patriot to distribute in
02:55:59
Russia will be And since He is still in
02:56:02
lists of extremists and terrorists will
02:56:04
it's impossible for you
02:56:06
understood therefore maybe
02:56:08
initially the publishing house lets on
02:56:11
English or German was available in
02:56:14
virus edition will come later
02:56:17
[music]
02:56:18
ask the authorities or Yulia Well, of course
02:56:22
he wrote and dictated in Russian, but
02:56:25
By the way, about the list of extremists and
02:56:27
the ring does not intend to exclude terrorists
02:56:30
Alexei Navalny because they are nothing
02:56:32
don't know about his death it's like
02:56:35
in general it’s the same as about
02:56:38
Oleg this should also come
02:56:41
indication of the first
02:56:44
faces yes exclude
02:56:48
Navalny concerns both Putin and neither
02:56:51
the official will not take it upon himself
02:56:53
the courage to cross out from somewhere
02:56:55
Alexey
02:56:57
naval Well that's why it's just this
02:57:00
like this Well, this is of course some kind of paradox
02:57:03
on the one hand, this is a person who is not
02:57:05
there is a political
02:57:09
death from another
02:57:11
hand yes genius
02:57:16
Another paradox about the lion How do you like his recent
02:57:19
speech first leaked negotiations Well
02:57:22
or rather leaked audio messages and then him
02:57:25
videos What is this
02:57:27
was corrected Well, I'll guess of course
02:57:31
corrected of course, but I'll assume that
02:57:34
Mr. Rulev he is like
02:57:36
would behave quite a lot and often
02:57:39
they let him do it cheekily
02:57:41
parliamentary status and general rank
02:57:44
how he thinks and at some point such
02:57:47
people hot that line
02:57:50
which the bosses don't approve of, but they
02:57:53
move into a tighter line, mind you
02:57:55
again the line there is calmer Yes
02:57:58
reducing the escalation of mercy or not
02:58:01
increasing escalation of violence, that's it
02:58:04
it just caused a really big
02:58:06
international ska what is heaven who
02:58:08
State Duma deputy from the party
02:58:10
United Russia
02:58:11
General This is not some guy
02:58:14
propagandist who is on the channel
02:58:15
somewhere out there for little money
02:58:18
it says and a representation has been made
02:58:21
as far as I know informal up to
02:58:24
that it seemed like even Takayev was going to
02:58:28
talk about this with Putin
02:58:30
the president of the president and decided this matter
02:58:32
stop and say you're a guy say what
02:58:34
this is not Rosseti and Ukrainians, he is like that
02:58:36
approximately and said Uh-huh But it’s true
02:58:41
what what else
02:58:44
since Ukrainians are not Russia, well this is
02:58:49
Is it true that helmsmen are no longer allowed?
02:58:52
on federal TV channels in various
02:58:54
show that the ban was given to him Lisa I didn’t
02:58:58
I watch TV channels so much
02:59:01
insides, these are my insides about
02:59:04
several people several with a big I and
02:59:08
occupy higher positions I can’t
02:59:11
have inside information about all the deputies from
02:59:18
you know how much Putin loves hockey players
02:59:20
play hockey Yes the hockey player there 3
02:59:22
minutes fine and he has a 2 week fine
02:59:24
Well, it's good not to do anything else
02:59:27
said maybe maybe doesn't have
02:59:30
don't gossip
02:59:32
in general just something for
02:59:38
this is what they write that recruiters are from the Ministry of Defense
02:59:41
are now actively visiting women's colonies
02:59:43
important stories are written about this, it’s possible
02:59:46
consider another whining rush that many well
02:59:50
quite famous women for a long time
02:59:52
asked to be sent from
02:59:55
prisons on their own, including this one here
02:59:58
Crimean
03:00:00
official x they still don’t
03:00:04
they answered nothing, this is a serious way out
03:00:10
colonies of people who are convicted of
03:00:12
number for long periods
03:00:19
there is an appeal from the wives of those convicted because of
03:00:22
murders due to fraud in large
03:00:25
sizes which were sentenced there to 10-12 years
03:00:28
colonies that we are ready to work there for
03:00:31
FSO there you want a cook you want Swami there
03:00:35
Babarikh's women, well, let's do this and
03:00:39
I know that this is being discussed Yes too
03:00:41
right
03:00:43
Tori is so surprised
03:00:51
what is missing
03:00:53
liu is not enough pori this is
03:00:57
character of what is happening in the colonies
03:01:01
How in what way the people who committed
03:01:03
serious crimes by court decision
03:01:05
Russian Yes they can go free
03:01:08
and this is already 2 and a half years or so
03:01:13
more me again
03:01:15
in the form of news information about what allegedly
03:01:20
Strelkov Girkin everything is very very very
03:01:23
really wants to go and seems to have already
03:01:26
they’ll even send it, but it seems like
03:01:29
impossible because of the article under which His
03:01:33
accused Well, the article can always be changed
03:01:37
as you know Yes, think about replacing there
03:01:40
first and foremost it doesn't last long it all depends on
03:01:43
The prosecutor's office may change the investigator
03:01:46
accusation but specifically gerkin I don’t have
03:01:49
no information about what awaits him
03:01:52
changes I just don’t have it, I don’t know
03:01:54
No, it’s even possible for Girkina
03:01:57
they let me go to the front again, it won't be
03:02:00
very good from some point of view
03:02:02
politics or
03:02:05
no, I hear Putin’s intonations again
03:02:09
means who
03:02:13
I tell you
03:02:18
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