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Виссарион

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Сергей Тороп

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Церковь последнего завета

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but instead of a creative map of the Krasnoyarsk

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region, this is a separate microdistrict of the village of

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Zhara in the Kuraginsky district, journalists

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dubbed this place the city of the sun,

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the correct name is the monastery of dawn,

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followers of the teachings

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of Vissarion of the Church of the Last Testament settled here,

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there is freedom of choice and everyone is allowed

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to do so

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Moscow was one in the morning the taste of vile 5 we are

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all still continued to correspond with

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Vadim Vadim teaching is the one who records the events and

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I suddenly said can I talk to the

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teacher greedy I can’t there they didn’t agree

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the teacher doesn’t give interviews at least

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Russian media Vadim and you saw my films

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son eat mugs the trail got it

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because it won’t be with heavenly no ideas

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no Elena so the scripture says I don’t regret

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I can’t steal a teacher for 20 minutes

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what is 20 minutes of a year he has an

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eternity ahead of him a day later Vadim returned and

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said the teacher watched your films

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thoughts and meet I know how a

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person should I know the problems that

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concern the person, I know where the person

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is coming from and where he is leading, I’m ready to tell,

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but I don’t have the right to impose there was

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some incredible amount of mosquitoes,

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we wrote in nature and Sasha Ryumin, photographer

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Tass, and brushing aside horse flies and

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gadflies and midges, he said, hearing it’s interesting to

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ask before mine, they generally called him

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Sergei, turn off the peat and dry it out, we

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had a rather complicated procedure for

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agreeing on questions, they didn’t explain that

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if suddenly

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he didn’t like the question, he would get up and

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leave that I probably wouldn’t dare

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ask this, but I decided, though not on

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camera,

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he smiled and said to

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Sergei Antonovich often asks me now to

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just call Sergei, but usually

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people from the relevant bodies get it, it

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seems to me that in the near future and the raw materials

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will only be called Sergei,

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father Sergei,

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friends of the Duma, I think that you know nothing at all

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about the Church of the Last Testament,

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which is more often called the Vissarion sect, the

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fact is that it’s not just I don’t know, there are

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300 people living under a bush of faces

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in the Siberian taiga and the mother deer is fighting,

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this is quite a large serious

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organization which for a minute is 29 years old,

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it’s curious that Vissarion became Vissarion,

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he was a policeman Sergei Tula than

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paths one day before the heap but first

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18 years August 1901, and now

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this organization has about

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10 thousand supporters, of whom more than 5 thousand live in the

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Krasnoyarsk Territory alone in the Kuraginsky and

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Kostroma districts,

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that is, in five or six villages there

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live 5,000 supporters of this

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public organization of this

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religious organization, knowing name the company,

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but actually in the city of the sun,

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somehow call it journalists, lovers of

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the dawn, what the supporters of the trio call

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it, or whatever they say in their

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jargon,

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only 350 people live on the mountain, so the

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city of the sun

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is just such a small dot on the

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map, although if you look at the corner of the map

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it will be and I’ll tell you a rather

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interesting sight, so the mouse

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drive away drive away drive away on

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the computer you see such a serious

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circle it’s a very regular circle one and a half

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kilometers in diameter we raised the copter

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from a hill for 500 possible meters,

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the copter is understood and were able to capture this entire

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circle here in the lens of our

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copter a circle rolled in diameter,

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carved deep in the taiga

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with landscape design, this is with

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sides for the city of the sun to blossom and

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also only 300

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350 supporters if he and everyone else

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lives around

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another five you live in Moscow and St. Petersburg in

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others cities of Russia in the Commonwealth

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and abroad, and in general, it’s not just

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some you know, I don’t ask for forgiveness,

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lumps

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who suddenly began to believe in no one,

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these are people with higher education,

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many of them with

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doctoral degrees, who are very

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pleased and consciously came to this belief

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he brought the law, a new law, a new

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understanding of the worldview, that’s what I’ll call it

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in my opinion, and I just had to go to the teacher for

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many teachings of the current, I did

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n’t visit almost all of them, and everywhere there

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was something that seemed to be similar, but there were a

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lot of differences, especially

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contradictions, he came and only

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a few key new walls

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put it all together into one whole

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picture of the world, to put it briefly,

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the ideology of the Church of the Last Testament is

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absolute autonomy, I heard that they were

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seriously waiting for the end of the world and there in

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Siberia they were planning to somehow hide

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from all the hardships,

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do you think? mechanic and will survive after the

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end of the world comes, but

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fortunately I don’t know, maybe through their efforts

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this did not happen, but nevertheless they

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continue to follow this ideology of

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such an autonomous existence, you

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are responsible only for yourself and for no

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one else.

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us and life is such

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self-sufficiency, here you need to be able to do

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absolutely everything, repair the generator, then

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with electricity, wiring there, the

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solar panels will be installed, the

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Internet will be established, that is, here you need almost a

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wide range of skills that you are here,

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writing and drawing, and yes, and anarchy, and something

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completely different, and we also

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have culture very smooth holiday very often

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and we are surprised how in such a small

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settlement there are so many talents,

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well, just who sings, who draws, who

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dances from dance groups, there are a

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lot of them there 4 5 even here it’s terrible

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posts then the Maidan my daughter does

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ballet there with good master,

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I want to emphasize that I do not

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advocate joining the Vissarion’s sect

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and, moreover, I am not his lawyer,

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I am a bartender who

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has been observing these people for several years, largely by

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accident,

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and your friend’s friend accidentally ended up on

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July 5, 2020

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in this strange place on the shore

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lakes deep in Siberia

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[music]

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you

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Yana

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here I am associated in this place with a

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large extended family by the way, I

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also have a huge family on my lips and I keep

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in touch with him and here is this second

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kind of my family of

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like-minded people who I have been

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very closely for 20 years we

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probably live this very window except nature

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except winter here is the second part of the feeling for

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this is what is known as a large very

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such a large group of people with whom they are not

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very close with whom the feelings are all

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very comfortable and in Cuba it’s the same

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feeling because I stayed there but

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maybe about 100 relatives of such

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close relationships with each other,

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we have without money, of course, something necessary

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and we buy in addition this is what we still cannot

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take from the land with you, can we do it there,

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but anyway, if we buy in addition,

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we bring it to the storehouse and it is a store there

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is no one there does not make a profit, we

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bring it to this warehouse, we ordered it and

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come, we take what we ordered and

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try to ensure that this system does

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not exist in our relations, but no, we inevitably

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touch on it because not everything that

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now we would like to produce ourselves

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can be done with our own hands,

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our energy if take or pay attention to

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it on our own, we

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don’t do solar batteries, in fact, all these systems are

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sufficiency itself, some kind of provision

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we must purchase for this, we

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need to earn, earn with our labor,

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but this is already a huge achievement, I can

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say that they can feed themselves

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if you look at it

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naturally you evaluate the events in the world,

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you understand that this is already a great achievement,

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that is, I can feed myself and my rather

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small family, this is already very good, what kind of

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Isabelle variety does it taste like and I can’t

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name the variety, well, take the darkening, I

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can’t handle this and it’s

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difficult for me to cope with the darkening and sala de is

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already sweet, a little more is needed where at

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dawn we arrived early in the morning,

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in general, all the expeditions were one

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complete adventure, we did not sleep for four hours in part 3,

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getting up every time, well, no

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later than 5, but on July 5 we got up 4

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because we 5 to already

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get behind the wheel and 6 to be at the liturgy is the

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name of the action that every

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Sunday a supporter of Vissarion

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is held for flourishing, let me at least

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hi and spent 40 minutes behind the wheel so the mouse

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8 roses sleepy and for cleaning a slight

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blur in the eyes it seemed to me to survive in the

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center of what - I don’t know what’s strange, there’s a

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fantasy-style movie there, a

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perfectly trimmed lawn goes along the

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lawn,

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whale fountains, some kind of glossy veneers,

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hydac stone sculptures, difficult design

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and people in white clothes flock to

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form a column, sing songs, go

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somewhere up the mountain, we spent four hours understanding

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the gathering 4 hours in the sun,

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despite the early morning, people walked,

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sang songs, and yes, at least do every

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Sunday, the

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elevation difference is 700 meters and the ascent

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takes more than an hour, and others are carried out

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regardless of the weather,

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every week in the summer when it’s hot, it all

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starts at 6 in the morning,

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we were asked not to take off from the copter there

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on the mountain when the main sacrament took place,

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small chapels on their knees, they

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sang psalms, praised their father,

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I honestly don’t fully understand whether it’s the

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father or the son who is the Vissarion,

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but nevertheless it was certainly a

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fascinating sight, then we

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went down and asked you not filming a

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meeting with the flock, the teacher in the hall, he

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is holding a valley, the merger began

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to happen here now in another

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place at those meetings you cannot

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film or record anything at all for the last

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almost thirty years, since August 18,

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1921,

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the faith has not undergone major changes

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are true because in general and so you

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came and left and imagine us from

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every Sunday you rightly

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noticed today people of different ages but 70 years old

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and even 80 so they go climbing can you

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imagine what kind of physical shape

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vegetarians are and they are great they have peace

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inside for the majority it’s a way of life and it

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just seems to me that our task right

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now with you is just to say that this

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exists, these are not Hollywood scenes when they

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then went and began to live as before, this is

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not a community somewhere in India, under

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no circumstances judge anyone, people

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came from different sides,

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meditated and left again to a way of

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life this is a way of life a way of life

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that we say that you can live and so

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at the same time I don’t impose

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orders on anyone you can live like this guys

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Vladimir this is by far the most

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charismatic person the abode of dawn I

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fell in love with him in absentia even when I communicated with

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him on WhatsApp he

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apostle, you want to remove the words apostle and you

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must understand that in general the second book

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after the last testament is the words of Vadim,

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he is really a very important person

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for Vissarion’s sect,

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Vadim smiles broadly, speaks like a

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serious, well-prepared speaker,

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by the way, in a past life he was the lead singer of the

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group integral in Bari Alibasova

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and if you look in Yandex or Google for

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Vadim and Redkin integral, you will see

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such a funny clip from 90 where he jumps and it

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seems to me that he has not changed at all over these

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30 years

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[music]

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in general, sometimes it seems that Vadim is the

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true teacher,

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that it is he who controls all these

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people who they live there deep in the

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Siberian region with the gene scoundrels I rarely hear

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the sect but it has happened for almost 30 years we are

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here but it doesn’t matter what they call us

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at all it doesn’t matter what we do

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sincerely

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on this how to treat this moment

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for me this is the moment of my own reaction

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they are correct in the fact that what they say about us

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is already the responsibility of another person,

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so how do I react to this, but I

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react to it philosophically, plus to everything,

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we already said today that the sectors, but

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this means a separate teaching, in

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fact, we represent separate teachings,

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so I’m calm, in general, I’m

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pretty focused handy people, so

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you can put it, the very ideology of

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this last testament and he

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actually has the only ones

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to release is called the last advice, this is,

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in short, he must provide for himself,

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he must give himself food, that is, he must

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garden for himself, he must be able to

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build a shelter for himself, that is, be with

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Tyler and a carpenter and should, in general,

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be ready to defend himself by the way, these are

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precisely the issues of defense, this is something he apparently

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will specifically

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get rid of quite seriously in the near future, as you know,

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during a search of him, they found him in his place, according to his

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supporters, they found almost a weapons warehouse, we

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are trying treat everyone well

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evaluate the action now why there are investigations from the

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main directorate of the Investigative Committee

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under such an article

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which but assumes or suspects

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that we have coercion here, extremism I don’t

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know in 29 years of living here this is the kind of

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attention from this point of view for the

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first time I can’t evaluate it but this

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has been going on for two years now, if you wanted to

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find it quickly and or if it

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were in our lives, then we have long ago found

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the thing is that this interview with Saren,

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which you will see a little later, is

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without the involvement of journalistic luck, he does

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not communicate with people at all. so

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someone ted I myself, not to his

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followers,

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he descends from the mountain and I see here prim

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prim and roofs stronger than cosplay of the sermon on the mount

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and 15-20 minutes once a week

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attention once a week I have the fact that they

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live from him somewhere two hundred meters

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to answer their questions and split on how

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to live on,

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this cannot be filmed, this is called the valley, the

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merger of a meeting with a teacher,

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I am deeply convinced that, of course, there is a lot of theatricality in this

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because no matter what the living

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god is, the pen is a man and it seems to me that

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talking to people was to be honest, it’s

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sincere and important how enraged he was and his

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students, this is not a question of sacredness or

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pathos,

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this is a question of his fatigue, he simply has

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nothing more to say,

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everything has already been said

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[music]

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shot, please tell me, here we are, like

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people who have already

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been in your area twice and are trying to

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answer the question the question is what makes

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people flee from the big city to the

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village uber for civilization we cannot

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get only one answer to both rays

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our question is why exactly the laws

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by which

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the state exists are those laws that are clearly

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manifested in urban

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conditions in fact cannot

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contribute

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They not only cannot even contribute to normal, full-fledged spiritual development, but it

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would be more correct to say that they

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contradict the laws of spiritual development;

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therefore, the fuss that is created in these

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conditions before believers will actually not be

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comfortable and for various reasons

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they will, of course, look for opportunities

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go to a place where they can calmly do

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what they like, what they value, but

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here why SIM cards are

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completely natural, the conditions that

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have developed, the formation of the state,

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allocated this territory, which has become

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the least

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used of the state, and with all these

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inherent

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features of the state of transport

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equipment of all kinds of technologies,

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I think so people chose their

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paths, but we shouldn’t exclude that simple

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moment when many could be exiled in this

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direction and then they formed their

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lives and others began to follow them,

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they went to those, it was no longer just

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looking for where we could go,

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they had already seen certain examples

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have been explored in this example, and if it

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concerns me, first of all, I do not

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build a path

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in the sense where it was necessary to start

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creating from the position of consciousness when

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some kind of assessment of some

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facts of weighing something occurs and

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a conclusion appears that it would be

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favorable there then there is this I don’t follow

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because in this regard there are again

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completely natural and circumstances

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that

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put any person there, it’s

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desirable to be whoever it is

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so I had to be

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here

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and then I just took into account my

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feelings the feeling I began to decide on

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what I saw turned out to be the most

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favorable, but not from the standpoint of awareness of the

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sensation, it was enough,

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but now it already shows

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a lot that can be further logical,

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drawing parallels to show why it

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really turned out to be the most

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favorable, but this was only later,

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when it was possible to

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evaluate it all initially. only a

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sensual impulse

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you have quite a lot of followers and

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here in the Krasnoyarsk region who

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live directly next to the monastery

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of dawn both in Russia and abroad,

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as it seems, in order to check to

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talk with God in order for a

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person to be truly spiritual there

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to follow in that according to the rules of your

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teaching, he must be right

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here next to you or the distance is

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secondary, you can be in Moscow in

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Kaliningrad in New York, in fact,

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to be a believer it doesn’t matter where you

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are, but there is one extremely important

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circumstance and it is decisive,

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it is the key opportunity to create the

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most favorable conditions for

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full-fledged active spiritual

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development, after all, in fact, what kind of

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rituals that cause ulcers

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on a person are not the law, that

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is, they do not relate to the law of development,

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they are an auxiliary phenomenon, a

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sacrament that helps at a

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certain moment people feel some kind of unity of

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what - that is participation in God and express

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some of their feelings at that moment, but

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in life they do not live according to rituals, they have

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no rituals of life and they are included in

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ordinary worldly life

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where they do everything that everyone around them does,

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that is, from and this is what is happening around her does

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not in any way contribute to spiritual development,

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as I already said, they even more

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often than not these laws contradict the law,

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develop therefore if it is possible

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to create conditions when people become as

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fully as possible

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in conditions where

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all their features will be realized related to spiritual

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development,

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these conditions can be considered ideal,

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that is, the most favorable with flame

00:21:05

are those where

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they will begin to solve all life issues together, that is, everything

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they need for life, they must begin to

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decide together, learn to negotiate,

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learn to make a

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joint decision in one

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direction, and this moment is precisely

00:21:25

connected with a huge abundance of different rules

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that if you do not execute correctly,

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unity will not happen, there will be a constant

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conflict, this cannot be asked from a

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human perspective, here you need to

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reveal the rules that are the

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law and they will work equally

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for any person, the law can only give

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and therefore give this law, I create

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favorable conditions that can even be

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call ideal conditions when a

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person has the opportunity to

00:22:03

actively and

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fully follow the path of spiritual

00:22:08

development, but the choice must be made by the

00:22:11

person himself, that is, in these conditions, here

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they are ideal conditions; in all other

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conditions, a person will have to rely on the fact

00:22:20

that there will be laws around him that are not

00:22:24

related to the spiritual development, he must

00:22:26

take them into account, there will be a mass of people around him

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who are not

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like-minded people and who will

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impose on him a line of behavior of a different

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nature, that is, he finds himself in the conditions of

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he may be a believer, but he

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will be limited in many ways; he will not have

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the opportunity to implement the necessary

00:22:44

efforts for full development, therefore,

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of course it is possible and there, well, there are ideal

00:22:50

conditions, there is everything else, but those who

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come to kill or dawn, they cease

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to be citizens of the Russian Federation and

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they are forced to be lazy, do we need to convince

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perfectly well, they should not live by the

00:23:01

laws that the state came up with then

00:23:03

there are many many things

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that

00:23:06

you probably wanted to possibly change and you

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cannot do due to the fact that you,

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too, you also play by these rules, before

00:23:12

they will have to be taken into account as much as

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possible you will have to take into account you will need to

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make efforts to change a lot, but

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where this will not be possible to change it

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will be necessary to take into account, of course, the conversation about the

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rules, when I read such critics of

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yours or something, they all noted even

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your critics, one positive point of

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Vissarion was really able

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to build communism in a separate, in a

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separate city, I’ll kill on the shore of a

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lake someone who in the Soviet

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classics could only dream, do

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you agree with this or argue and

00:23:48

what they don’t say there, it’s already beaming, it’s

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stitched up by the people themselves, how they themselves see

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their lives, what has changed for them, I’m

00:24:00

not inclined to give an assessment of this, I give

00:24:03

what I have to give, a person makes a choice and

00:24:06

already from how he makes his own

00:24:10

efforts in this agreement, something will

00:24:13

work out,

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but I know how a person should, I know

00:24:18

the problems that concern a person, I

00:24:20

know where a person is coming from and where he is leading,

00:24:22

I am ready to tell, but I have no right

00:24:26

to impose, I can only tell

00:24:28

those who wants to take this, but then

00:24:31

people themselves must make the effort needed,

00:24:33

that is, I’m not building this world, I’m building this

00:24:37

conditional communism, which was just

00:24:39

mentioned, it must be built by the people themselves,

00:24:41

showing their own will,

00:24:44

and I’ll tell you where they make mistakes,

00:24:46

I’ll tell you how to do it correctly if they

00:24:48

make I won’t ask, I

00:24:50

wasn’t supposed to touch them, so all you will see

00:24:53

is that they built it themselves with their own

00:24:55

efforts,

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but they followed, they tried, because I

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suggest

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this, this league, they are going to them and

00:25:01

only they are given bricks, and

00:25:03

I explain to them how to do it correctly

00:25:06

and explain the constructor more correctly, of course,

00:25:09

it is most effective in the current conditions

00:25:11

when a person, trying to create

00:25:13

something together, begins to understand the problem, they

00:25:17

see that something is not working out for them,

00:25:18

some problems arise and they

00:25:20

cannot solve them on their own, they

00:25:23

have an interesting opportunity upper

00:25:25

scary how it is right to act in this case or

00:25:27

in this case, and here I

00:25:29

reveal laws that

00:25:32

will be equally positive for everyone, that is, they will

00:25:35

help to solve this part correctly,

00:25:37

because the law is spiritual development, it is completely

00:25:40

connected by the relationship between man and

00:25:43

man and, in addition, with the

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surrounding reality of the

00:25:46

person before a person, therefore, if

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this whole complex of

00:25:51

rules of behavior in relation to each other is not considered,

00:25:54

how they communicate, how they come into the house

00:25:56

and how in the family, that is, everything that is

00:25:59

connected with a person, if this does not

00:26:01

concern some kind of spiritual teaching,

00:26:04

it, as a rule, has nothing to do with

00:26:05

You can have spirituality right here

00:26:08

in this rule and without it, if you do

00:26:11

n’t act correctly, you can only create the

00:26:14

appearance of the spiritual teachings of the organization, but

00:26:18

they are not viable,

00:26:21

they will not be able to live on their own,

00:26:24

another important aspect I can not touch upon is

00:26:26

your relationship with various

00:26:28

faiths, so you perceive the

00:26:30

Russian Orthodox Church in particular

00:26:31

like someone as a competitor or like I don’t

00:26:34

know yours from your ancestors or what are you their

00:26:36

followers there is a new version

00:26:39

or or or or generally another religion

00:26:41

just like those like any others who do not

00:26:44

sincerely believe that what is dear to them what they do not

00:26:47

understand they sincerely try to make it

00:26:49

accessible to their understanding, all of this

00:26:52

must be treated with understanding; in

00:26:55

turn, there is some kind of

00:26:58

definite respect that people are

00:27:00

sincerely trying to do correctly and

00:27:01

how they understand it and this is how it applies to

00:27:04

any other teaching, that is, some

00:27:06

other assessment here it’s not required,

00:27:08

how do they treat you, and you

00:27:11

should probably ask them how

00:27:13

to listen to demons somehow, and by the way, a postcard of a

00:27:16

conspiracy about demons, we talked in that

00:27:18

atah with the family, their husband was here

00:27:21

in your monastery, dawn last year

00:27:22

I lived with the children, I was there and I was how

00:27:25

could I use St. Petersburg on the deaf,

00:27:27

you had a taste and the sect went, she took

00:27:30

it and they said only the first year, that’s

00:27:31

when that’s when those people who

00:27:34

come here have an attack like

00:27:36

sectarians, don’t you think I think

00:27:38

this is a strange drilling, especially since the word

00:27:44

sect is somehow used in a very

00:27:47

strange way,

00:27:48

not because it carries its true meaning,

00:27:52

any sectarianism,

00:27:55

if you look at the essence of it, it’s

00:27:57

dissent that

00:27:59

thinks differently, but does it happen that

00:28:02

dissent is clearly negative,

00:28:04

it’s impossible to help in any development

00:28:07

presupposes and but also thinking that

00:28:09

appears somewhere among the multitude, not a

00:28:11

holiday, progressive

00:28:13

thinking appears and pushes further, that is, all

00:28:16

new ones always began with what is

00:28:19

now commonly called sectarian, but it is

00:28:21

clearly assessed as negative, it

00:28:24

will not only be stupid and the person does not think about

00:28:27

what kind of judgment he

00:28:29

puts forward he only succeeds in

00:28:31

nominating

00:28:32

and accusing him because how they will

00:28:35

treat him I think first of all,

00:28:38

of course, without observing this, but I can

00:28:41

do a basic analysis and say

00:28:44

that as soon as people know someone they

00:28:48

subsequently see how he changes and

00:28:51

if they can note that he has become

00:28:54

better, but at this moment his view

00:28:56

can already begin to change, becomes more

00:28:58

sober, more objective, but at first there are

00:29:01

too many fears and everyone is afraid of the

00:29:04

new, they hold on tightly to the old ones,

00:29:08

which can no longer be called good, but

00:29:12

they are afraid to let go, but still

00:29:13

familiar, new, unfamiliar suddenly it

00:29:16

turns out even worse, so they are afraid, but for some reason the

00:29:19

most conservative part of the

00:29:21

Orthodox Church of the Old Believers, the

00:29:23

Orthodox Church of the really

00:29:24

old rite, they just

00:29:27

perceived you as I sent gobbled up as

00:29:30

allies or as or as people with

00:29:32

whom it is possible to build the wearing there better and easier

00:29:35

using the same example,

00:29:36

I observed there as a member of your

00:29:40

community and the Old Believers, in general, live in perfect harmony

00:29:42

because, first of all,

00:29:44

human-to-human contact is important, and believers actually

00:29:49

have no right, that is, he should not

00:29:50

impose teachings, he should show

00:29:53

his life and these are human relationships,

00:29:56

that is, all I teach is to be

00:29:59

truly humane

00:30:01

against humanity somehow go well,

00:30:04

somehow it will be strange usually and any

00:30:08

good manifestation of a person is always

00:30:10

noticed and appreciated,

00:30:12

no matter how aggressive the person is, he will still notice

00:30:15

this humanity and will begin to change

00:30:16

his attitude towards this, therefore, if this

00:30:20

manifests itself first, no one imposes

00:30:21

any teachings on birth, then it will not be difficult for us to

00:30:24

establish some good

00:30:26

relationships

00:30:28

if the person is too some kind of

00:30:30

interlocutor is not well, somehow it

00:30:35

happens so fanatically a person is passionate about

00:30:38

what -that is his truth and he

00:30:40

perceives everything very aggressively, and

00:30:43

in this case it may also be difficult

00:30:45

then to have a relationship,

00:30:48

but if there is no such inflection inside,

00:30:50

building a good relationship in general would

00:30:52

actually be no problem, again,

00:30:55

if you were to return to this movie we

00:30:57

are doing we are trying to find the

00:31:00

line where harmony arises between titanic

00:31:03

human nature and new technologies

00:31:05

and there is a future path in the meaning of this word and

00:31:08

we often encountered the fact that even those

00:31:10

people who wanted to benefit from

00:31:12

civilization there, I don’t know the downshifter, but the

00:31:14

fashionable ones or those people who there live here in the

00:31:16

villages those who came to your community on the

00:31:18

one hand they seem to at least want to be

00:31:20

closer to nature but at the same time they feel sorry

00:31:22

that no one has a weak internet and on the one

00:31:24

hand people speak in spirituality but at the same time it is

00:31:26

very important for them to be able to

00:31:28

trade through Instagram the results of

00:31:30

their craft, that’s where the line between the match is it possible, is it

00:31:33

possible for harmony between

00:31:35

new technologies, here’s the iPhone we are

00:31:37

filming this interview and

00:31:38

spirituality

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00:31:44

scientific and technological progress is not

00:31:46

clearly negative, that is, it

00:31:49

can’t be defined like this, so the development of

00:31:52

human civilization

00:31:55

must inevitably have some - a share of

00:31:58

scientific and technological progress, but it

00:32:00

must be associated primarily with such an

00:32:03

area that will help a

00:32:04

person realize

00:32:06

his creative features; first of all, what exists in the state

00:32:09

should be directed in this direction,

00:32:12

therefore, as a

00:32:13

rule, it is not directed; there is something that can

00:32:16

help creativity but in in many ways it is not

00:32:18

connected with creativity and with

00:32:20

human development, for the most part it is based on the fact

00:32:23

that it even kills a person, therefore the fact that there is

00:32:27

something in the state and could be

00:32:31

used for good, but if something is

00:32:35

incorrectly assessed,

00:32:37

of course it can be used for harm, that

00:32:40

is when a person can get carried away by

00:32:41

social networks,

00:32:43

numerous communications there,

00:32:45

he can lose some connection with

00:32:48

reality and live more in the virtual

00:32:50

world than solve those problems that are

00:32:53

nearby, that is, here you can

00:32:56

easily do cats and which can harm

00:32:57

a person, but here is some clear

00:33:01

line carry out will be incorrect,

00:33:03

it all depends on what goal the person

00:33:05

is pursuing, does this or that or that

00:33:08

action, that is, why he decided that it was

00:33:11

necessary, if when assessing this objective

00:33:15

reality that did not happen, you can

00:33:17

see that yes, in this case it was

00:33:19

necessary, then it is normal and you can

00:33:22

say it’s assigned for some reason, you’re doing this,

00:33:24

because in fact it doesn’t solve anything for

00:33:26

you, but you got carried away and didn’t do something

00:33:30

really important, this is going to be detrimental,

00:33:34

especially since you won’t be able to completely break away from

00:33:37

what is in society, and that

00:33:39

means again the affected moment of

00:33:42

earning money

00:33:43

may well be present somewhere,

00:33:45

but if a person saw this favorable

00:33:49

moment, well, it’s up to him to decide, but here I

00:33:54

can’t pass some kind of law,

00:33:56

issue a ban or some kind of permission, it

00:33:58

can’t be put in it,

00:33:59

it’s all permissible but this is how each

00:34:02

person evaluates this, this is his

00:34:05

personal task, that is, you cannot force people,

00:34:08

again, and speaking of spiritual development,

00:34:10

force everyone to make the same efforts,

00:34:13

this will be stupid and wrong, this is what they

00:34:15

want to do in the army,

00:34:17

impose a person must understand for himself what

00:34:20

he is doing, he must do it himself conclusion

00:34:22

why he chooses this other action if

00:34:26

he wondered if he had gone too far

00:34:28

somewhere he should

00:34:31

ask me then whether

00:34:32

this would be a violation of some

00:34:34

kind of law then I will tell him

00:34:36

if he is sure that he should do the right thing

00:34:38

does

00:34:39

and if this is really his sincere

00:34:42

understanding that he is doing the right thing, then it is

00:34:45

for him that we can say this is

00:34:47

normal, although maybe it’s my mistake,

00:34:50

but for him it is normal, that is, he takes that

00:34:52

step that he

00:34:55

cannot do otherwise, but what about him then

00:34:57

ask another to do everything another

00:34:59

cannot do, that is, spiritual

00:35:01

principles never force a

00:35:03

person to do something that he cannot do,

00:35:05

this cannot be done, this is nonsense, this is

00:35:08

something authoritarian which is not permissible,

00:35:11

it will always destroy a person, do not

00:35:13

help them develop, therefore this the

00:35:15

element of freedom of choice, spiritual development is

00:35:19

extremely important; in no case should it be

00:35:21

bent in a period, and the person

00:35:24

chosen to decide this must decide to

00:35:26

do this action himself, so there is a lot

00:35:29

that I don’t even interfere with life,

00:35:33

I don’t look at what they are doing, I can believe

00:35:35

that they are now they try to do as

00:35:37

best as possible and but when they are ready to

00:35:39

change something, they will ask themselves, I will give you

00:35:41

a hint

00:35:42

and finally, any religion, any

00:35:47

movement, well, over time, undergoes

00:35:48

changes in the house in the dogmas in the canons,

00:35:51

your teaching is young and in general the founder is

00:35:55

still alive and well,

00:35:56

maybe that’s why it is invariably the same as you

00:35:58

assume after 10 years, but I don’t know,

00:36:00

through me I know why this is happening,

00:36:02

I know why, and people could not

00:36:05

avoid it because the teaching was never

00:36:08

given, hints were given to people, they were

00:36:11

pushed in the right direction so that

00:36:14

they would go in the right direction, people

00:36:16

need to was to change in the sense that

00:36:19

they had to learn

00:36:22

to think differently,

00:36:23

they had to learn to

00:36:25

listen more to their feelings and

00:36:27

should therefore begin to understand that there is a

00:36:30

certain law that is much more important than

00:36:35

those laws that are associated with the survival of

00:36:38

man in nature, that is, his instinct is

00:36:40

very Lyusya, everyone lives by instincts and this is a

00:36:44

wild animal principle, but

00:36:46

even the state system is built on it.

00:36:48

On this wild animal principle, this could

00:36:53

not be avoided by people from the very beginning,

00:36:55

but they had to be brought out of this

00:36:58

state; it is impossible to immediately tell about the truth

00:37:01

because everything that I am

00:37:03

giving now is in no way corresponds to

00:37:06

egoistic interest, it contradicts

00:37:09

this, but for this, then a person must

00:37:11

feel this need, so he

00:37:13

must somewhere mean to be disappointed in the fact

00:37:16

that I still considered it right

00:37:18

to live on an important thing, that is, a certain

00:37:21

degree of human maturity is needed and that’s how

00:37:25

people initially

00:37:26

followed exclusively egoistic

00:37:29

principles, animal principles,

00:37:32

animal principles, it was impossible to immediately tell about the laws of

00:37:35

truth, therefore, with different

00:37:39

hints from different people at different times,

00:37:43

taking into account their cultural traditions, where

00:37:46

people already began to see when

00:37:47

to perceive reality,

00:37:48

hints were given as a grain as it is,

00:37:51

or which were supposed to push in the

00:37:53

right direction but it was impossible to open

00:37:55

anything else, they would not

00:37:57

have understood anything, that is, if now such an image

00:37:59

is brought to you, if

00:38:01

some kind of elegant vessel it is composed of

00:38:04

some value beautifully and

00:38:06

harmoniously, and this truth here was the important

00:38:13

intention of a

00:38:15

separate part of the vessel to be distributed to different

00:38:18

peoples in the form of certain concepts,

00:38:21

they received particles of the truth, believing people

00:38:26

will naturally inevitably have to

00:38:28

figure out that they took the truth as their goal, this is

00:38:31

the essence of faith,

00:38:32

that they have everything that is most valuable, but they

00:38:35

were given particles, therefore, for all

00:38:38

peoples, something was important in different ways and

00:38:41

then this is needed It is possible to connect everything together

00:38:45

only in conditions when

00:38:47

psychological people are ready for this

00:38:48

and when they stop flaunting

00:38:51

that we are only the most important,

00:38:52

that is, this wildness and stupidity, they

00:38:55

must outgrow the primitive stupidity,

00:38:58

they are all united and at this moment they

00:39:01

will all have to feel

00:39:03

involved in the fact that they kept

00:39:06

parts of the truth, but at some point it

00:39:10

will be necessary to tell a teaching that will allow

00:39:12

them to see that they all kept parts of

00:39:15

one whole vessel, that’s why, since they

00:39:20

had to hand over many images one day without

00:39:22

revealing the fullness of the truth, video

00:39:24

specifics, because this is a huge

00:39:26

number of different rules,

00:39:30

of course a lot turned out to be unagreed

00:39:33

and you don’t come to this with questions, but how do you think,

00:39:36

how should we do it and the person

00:39:39

had to get out of this situation, you take

00:39:40

risks and I don’t know how you want to

00:39:42

do it, but egoism does not allow you to

00:39:45

do this, the person takes on the role of

00:39:47

becoming a mentor and They began to

00:39:50

come up with rules and came up with a huge

00:39:53

number of different rules and dogmas, but this is

00:39:55

purely human speculation, that

00:39:58

is, they have absolutely nothing to do with it,

00:40:01

so of course, by inventing

00:40:04

them themselves, they will naturally be tempted

00:40:06

to modify these

00:40:09

invented dogmas in the spring, that is, to each new one,

00:40:11

some group will say no, this is

00:40:13

primitive, let’s give another example,

00:40:15

the rule begins to take on a new type of

00:40:17

dogma, argue, swear, maybe

00:40:19

even shed blood, but they affirm a

00:40:21

new dogma and but this is exclusively

00:40:23

human, acting on this is what is

00:40:27

happening now, I am giving something that will not

00:40:32

work out later, that is, what no, it will not create

00:40:35

conditions for such confusion

00:40:37

because there are certain rules, laws

00:40:40

that cannot be invented, I will give a

00:40:44

sufficient number of answers related

00:40:46

to human behavior,

00:40:48

everything else is quite enough, tell me if you don’t

00:40:50

know the study, you have the right to

00:40:53

do everything as you see it is correct, but

00:40:56

no one none of you has the right to create

00:40:59

rules, not a single priest

00:41:02

has this right to make

00:41:04

badges, there is freedom of choice and everyone

00:41:07

is allowed to do as he sees,

00:41:08

let’s pass if there is no clear definition from the

00:41:11

teaching side, as for dogmas of

00:41:15

other nature, well, for example,

00:41:17

liturgy, skills for this in general creativity

00:41:20

and any group of believers has the right to

00:41:24

change something in their own opinion, add

00:41:26

any chants, the main meaning of these

00:41:29

liturgies is an attempt to express fusion,

00:41:31

I can express it to my own,

00:41:33

but how will you do it in any way

00:41:36

if together you decide this is better, do it

00:41:39

correctly, decide differently and do it

00:41:41

in another way, this is also all correct, this

00:41:43

is not a law, the law is related to

00:41:46

behavior,

00:41:47

how a person should react to

00:41:50

the action of another in certain conditions,

00:41:52

this is a huge number of certain

00:41:56

clearly expressed shortcomings there

00:42:00

in everything, the rest of the people are free and

00:42:02

no one should create any nigma

00:42:04

then this will eliminate the possibility of such all sorts of

00:42:09

things budget conversation and I can only wish them

00:42:11

good luck 2 of course patience micros

00:42:14

patience the most important thing that is needed in our

00:42:15

difficult times is yes I would also like

00:42:18

that you perceived me as a lawyer

00:42:20

or someone who supports the teachings of Vissarion, God

00:42:22

forbid,

00:42:24

I just a person who accidentally

00:42:26

ended up there a few months ago

00:42:27

in the Krasnoyarsk region, in this

00:42:30

strange place where strange people in white

00:42:32

clothes sing songs, I sincerely wish

00:42:35

Sergei Torap and Vadim Redkin and

00:42:37

others constantly Vissarion who were

00:42:40

detained these days, we are there the abode of the

00:42:43

dawn of an honest, objective

00:42:45

trial to me it seems that every

00:42:49

person has the right to decide for himself where to

00:42:51

go, what to believe in, and it also seems to me

00:42:54

that with the wine world we definitely need to

00:42:57

rely only on ourselves, it doesn’t matter

00:43:01

what Vissarion Lady Nesterov said

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