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Radionova and today, personally yours for the00:00:04
next hour, sociologist and candidate of00:00:06
philosophical sciences Anna Ochkina Anna00:00:08
hello Hello Anna I00:00:12
would like to talk to you as a sociologist about the00:00:14
state of Russian society today00:00:17
If in general it can be identified as00:00:20
such a subject since Grigory Yuzin is a00:00:22
sociologist said that there is no00:00:24
United Russian Society as such, but00:00:27
nevertheless, what00:00:30
worries Russians most today is the third year of00:00:32
special military operations, the so-00:00:33
called after terrorist attacks, and so00:00:37
on, you know, all sorts of sociological00:00:40
services regularly conduct surveys about00:00:45
worries and worries, and if you compare that in in general, little is00:00:48
changing, the most important concern is that the00:00:52
public opinion fund did the00:00:55
last survey in January, at least Here are the00:00:57
ones I saw00:01:02
nearby, that is, Almost half mark00:01:05
this option00:01:07
47% this is in the part of the survey where00:01:10
they ask about your personal concerns and00:01:13
concerns when it comes to00:01:15
what worries you in the country, here is the latest00:01:18
survey Yes, it showed some00:01:19
change, that is, 34% noted the00:01:24
option of an Iranian government invasion,00:01:30
such a direct response00:01:32
to00:01:34
Propaganda, let’s say that00:01:38
Oh yes yes there is a difference that this00:01:41
answer is more often noted by older people00:01:43
age Well, and the television audience00:01:45
in general. Here is any survey. Now if we00:01:49
take the attitude to a00:01:51
special military operation to peace00:01:53
negotiations to anything, we will see00:01:57
such divisions that00:02:02
young people are usually more peaceful00:02:05
in their sympathies, let’s say, to the00:02:09
authorities,00:02:10
less clichés are given out by00:02:15
older people’s propaganda generations00:02:18
and the television audience, that is, we00:02:20
probably shouldn’t make the mistake that is00:02:22
often made now when Dem generation00:02:30
spent a lot of time doing exactly00:02:32
this knee-deep perspective in history, he said that00:02:35
one should not miss the issues of generations, but even00:02:37
through their prism it is impossible to have the whole multi-00:02:41
causal history, many casually00:02:44
multi-faceted history00:02:46
consider because yes age is00:02:49
important but it is important Why Because this is00:02:52
such a criterion based on the cat we can judge00:02:55
what information sources a person00:02:57
selects for00:03:00
communication, how he plans his life and00:03:02
so on, but this is a criterion that00:03:06
covers everything ambiguously, that’s when I00:03:10
compare people’s answers so to speak00:03:13
about what they read and how they feel about00:03:15
something. I understand that I’m00:03:18
not much over thirty. That is, according00:03:20
to all the answers, I fall into this00:03:23
category, not only me, many of my00:03:25
colleagues and people with whom I00:03:28
communicate closely are so incredibly youthful or00:03:31
somehow we are going across time, no, it’s just00:03:33
the way it is, we communicate a lot00:03:36
with young people due to my00:03:38
teaching work, let’s say my00:03:40
project work, I communicate a lot00:03:42
with a young audience and with young00:03:45
colleagues, not even an audience with00:03:47
colleagues, but I don’t watch TV00:03:51
By the way, well, those who watch TV are the00:03:55
majority, after all,00:04:00
from Go there is also such an interesting point a00:04:04
very long time ago, I read and listened to00:04:08
a study by Victor Vakhshtaina00:04:11
about frames and so he looked at the00:04:13
frame of watching TV. That is, those00:04:16
practice techniques that people00:04:20
use when watching TV in00:04:22
comparison with the00:04:24
Soviet ones is a huge difference because in00:04:27
Soviet times,00:04:30
maybe young viewers have00:04:32
never seen something like this printed in the newspaper,00:04:35
they celebrated with the whole family. I still remember00:04:38
that it was interesting to watch, there was little to00:04:41
note right away, I’ll say the grid was not very00:04:44
full, it was overloaded, and when we walked there, well00:04:47
films that everyone watched and this was00:04:50
really all the eighty00:04:52
million television audience of the Uval to00:04:55
watch, for example, the meeting place is impossible00:04:58
or there was a fur film panorama there,00:05:00
especially when it was hosted by Eldar Rezanov and00:05:03
so on, people watched the program from00:05:07
beginning to end of the commercial break there00:05:09
was no tea to drink on TV as00:05:12
a rule, Well, at least in my youth00:05:15
there was00:05:16
one in the main room. Well, the living room00:05:20
could hardly be called a large room,00:05:24
there was a TV where the whole00:05:26
family gathered and watching00:05:30
TV was now often two he00:05:33
says henna and he works in the pho And in00:05:39
fact in fact, propaganda adapts to00:05:41
This is why Because we have00:05:43
specific00:05:45
Propaganda, it doesn’t call for anything00:05:48
other than to00:05:49
sit and not00:05:52
rock the boat, in fact, it’s not like that, there’s no00:05:55
raise SP00:05:58
VH to go No, on the contrary,00:06:01
well, that’s why she’s completely satisfied with00:06:04
her this, her role as a background of00:06:06
some kind negative frightening and it00:06:09
is reflected in such answers, but00:06:12
I repeat that it is clear that most of all People00:06:25
are consolidating some social00:06:27
problems problems So on00:06:30
and so forth, you have studied the sociology of00:06:34
Russian protest for many years What00:06:37
has changed in the nature of the protest00:06:39
in recent years And in general where was00:06:42
that a turning point when people completely stopped00:06:46
doing this And the special operation00:06:49
primarily influenced this, or before that there00:06:51
were such00:06:53
trends before00:06:59
literature Of course, such a00:07:02
protest spring, yes Or the protest peak00:07:05
is considered the eleventh twelfth00:07:07
year,00:07:09
and indeed at the turning point of00:07:13
2011-1 it seemed that this was it00:07:17
people are rising up,00:07:18
rallies for fair00:07:22
elections began and00:07:24
rallies began to take place in provincial00:07:27
towns, yes. They weren’t there,00:07:30
but bringing out 100-200 people for an idea in a00:07:34
provincial town in Russia is a00:07:37
great achievement, and as far as I00:07:41
know, in provincial towns00:07:43
this often happened to00:07:59
each00:08:01
other that is, this was what I00:08:03
observed with my own eyes and I heard00:08:06
about this focus groups on all sorts of00:08:09
research, but not the systemic opposition.00:08:12
By the way, they called it after00:08:15
Yes, a00:08:16
year left one slogan for fair00:08:20
elections against falsification choice I00:08:23
heard00:08:24
Ichi put Nest00:08:30
Well, yes, the people too We must not forget, we00:08:31
probably need to remember about the province, but the00:08:34
province heard very clearly that00:08:36
no one remembered about it, and00:08:39
fair elections were not enough for00:08:42
the province to get involved, to00:08:44
unite people, to consolidate Although there00:08:46
was an upsurge, there was this civil observation00:08:50
of the elections, a whole movement it00:08:51
was in the province quite00:08:53
strong, but it was probably necessary00:08:56
to offer something00:08:57
else, and00:09:00
between 2018, which00:09:02
probably became the next point in the development of protest in00:09:05
Russia, it was immediately visible00:09:12
in parallel, and between these two00:09:15
years, it must be said that many00:09:17
were arrested after 2012 and in the00:09:20
swamp case We went abroad, and so00:09:24
Paul said, it was not a00:09:28
big deal00:09:30
and it was clear that in these 6 years between00:09:33
DM and Sem year, parallel00:09:36
trends were developing, that is, a protest was developing for00:09:40
specific specific requirements for00:09:42
some specific things, there were00:09:46
Truckers there, there were very powerful00:09:48
environmental protests in fact,00:09:51
trade unions continued, including00:09:54
free trade unions, continued their00:09:56
activities, and by the way, people00:09:58
were achieving something, that is,00:10:00
it became clear that00:10:03
such a trend was being formed in grassroots protest,00:10:05
everyone began to understand that it was not00:10:07
the mass character that was important, not the radicality of00:10:10
the demands, but the00:10:11
picture, because the regional authorities were00:10:14
terribly afraid that the picture of the protests00:10:17
will end up in the federal media. So you have to do your00:10:19
best to get there, no matter00:10:22
how many people will be in the pictures,00:10:23
the main thing is to show up and attract the attention of the00:10:25
Federal authorities, that is, people have become00:10:27
this tool; in00:10:30
parallel, opposition protests00:10:32
there were the most00:10:34
striking reason for the protection of all those who are now00:10:37
recognized by Foreign agents as extremist agents00:10:39
terrorists, that’s why I’m not even00:10:41
terrorist organizations, there00:10:43
were all sorts of cases, yes, that’s why I won’t00:10:46
list them all even now, everyone00:10:48
knows that there were cases of accusations and there were00:10:53
protests against these accusations, as a00:10:56
rule,00:10:59
such locally oppositional ones, that is,00:11:01
activists took part in them, that is, people00:11:03
who are already involved in politics you00:11:05
mean what00:11:07
year Well, this is all up to probably the00:11:10
twentieth year Well, okay, I’ll00:11:13
say the case of a network of organizations banned00:11:16
in Russia of the new generation New time Yes, here’s a00:11:19
new Greatness new Greatness, too, in00:11:21
my opinion, it’s banned these things Yes, that’s00:11:24
Uh-huh there was a strategy 31 there were00:11:29
also all sorts of protest races and so00:11:32
on. That is, on the one00:11:34
hand, such a protest opposition00:11:37
subculture was developing, and on the other hand, people00:11:40
locally understood that they had to00:11:43
shout out their demands, preferably00:11:46
so that they were heard by the federal media and00:11:48
so that it would get into the field From the point of view of the00:11:51
Federal authorities, something worked out00:11:54
even00:11:56
this year, this was against raising the retirement00:12:00
age and it seemed then that these00:12:02
two protest cultures met and00:12:05
began to support each other. July was00:12:09
very protestful and at the end of August00:12:11
President Putin spoke and promised00:12:15
some mitigation there but in September there00:12:18
was still a pension protest, but it00:12:22
changed. And it’s not even that00:12:24
the number of protests fell, as00:12:29
many journalists wrote, but this common00:12:32
field of protest also disintegrated. That is, it00:12:34
was possible to record three rallies in one day,00:12:36
one in fair Russia, the other00:12:39
there. The00:12:45
third one was banned and recognized as a terrorist organization. Communist Party of the Russian Federation They are different, that is, it was00:12:49
clear that if they had united, it would have00:12:51
been a very massive rally, but they00:12:53
were already held in September, this was often a00:12:55
case00:13:01
of Yes, there was no such union anymore, the00:13:05
FNP trade unions began to restrain them,00:13:09
let’s say they didn’t bring their people to the00:13:16
opposition rally, so to speak just the topic00:13:19
against pension reform is generally00:13:22
their native topic, but nevertheless, they offered you00:13:26
this hundred,00:13:30
this is the status of a pre-retiree, they00:13:32
actually received benefits, in00:13:34
particular, a pre-retiree does not pay00:13:41
property taxes Yes, that was00:13:45
enough lochi, well, you know in the00:13:48
end Yes because this00:13:50
feature affected, according to the00:13:54
Rigo society,00:13:59
almost all social events. Well,00:14:02
I would even say everything, but I don’t like to00:14:04
generalize like that through the prism of my00:14:08
personal well-being, here’s a joke, you00:14:11
know from a Jewish joke how this00:14:12
will affect00:14:14
Jews, it’s very typical for a00:14:17
Russian. What? to me, how am00:14:22
I and because you understand, a00:14:25
huge number of people were affected by00:14:29
these changes and I even heard the00:14:34
speech of young people, young00:14:35
activists at rallies when they00:14:38
said look how few00:14:41
people here are of this notorious00:14:44
pre-retirement age, we understand that00:14:47
this is our future, that we are a generation without a00:14:50
pension, I very often heard from my students,00:14:52
we are a generation without a pension, a generation00:14:54
without social benefits, we00:14:58
generally understand and people Millions of people are00:15:01
affected by this; of them,00:15:03
several dozen came, unlike the00:15:05
French who recently also00:15:07
protested against the pension reform,00:15:09
absolutely all generations and00:15:10
students came they also understood perfectly well00:15:12
that this would affect them through m Absolutely Yes,00:15:15
but nevertheless Macron managed to00:15:19
push through this reform, but as for the00:15:22
mass scale of the protests,00:15:25
of course there are no questions here and it’s worth00:15:27
learning from this further This is 2018,00:15:30
then 2019 But allowing these protests00:15:35
and here first you Golunov’s case, which00:15:39
they managed to fight off Yes, but the truth was that00:15:43
many commentators already wrote that it was00:15:45
such a professional consolidation of00:15:46
journalists. But corporate00:15:48
Solidarity, as they wrote about it later,00:15:51
allowed protests against the non-admission of00:15:55
independent candidates, and then it’s00:15:58
funny00:15:59
when the candidates actually came from United Russia00:16:02
as00:16:03
independents And they said, Well, he’s also an00:16:06
Independent candidate. And he’s allowed,00:16:08
that is, not all independent candidates are00:16:10
not allowed, only those whose00:16:11
documents are not in order. But00:16:14
these protests were very bright, massive,00:16:17
but they were mostly in00:16:19
the capital, but at the same time with the se for a year00:16:24
there were very bright, quite massive00:16:29
protests, primarily00:16:31
against all sorts of00:16:34
waste collection practices, garbage protests. They00:16:37
were called Yes, well, by analogy with the pension protest. And00:16:40
in particular, there was a struggle by00:16:43
activists of the Arkhangelsk region of the00:16:45
Komi Republic00:16:49
against the construction of a00:16:51
landfill near the Shies station in the village of00:16:56
Urdoma, an organization arose and they00:17:01
fought very hard they00:17:03
came to Moscow and they spoke at00:17:05
Mitin,00:17:06
and it seemed that again this00:17:09
protest, by the way, was supported in00:17:11
many regions And not only the00:17:13
northern ones And in general, this garbage wave00:17:16
seemed to be rolling Yes, this garbage00:17:18
protest, but again the protest00:17:23
ended, there was an announcement on page00:17:26
on social networks This is pure Urdom00:17:28
that it’s all over Sun Thank you all everyone is00:17:32
free So everyone else Who Yes everyone is00:17:34
free everyone else who00:17:36
now stands for the shes They no longer have anything to do00:17:38
with its real defense We all00:17:41
won there00:17:43
will be no landfills And now you understand there is no movement00:17:47
neither after the pension reform nor after00:17:50
allow nor after these garbage00:17:52
protests what it could be like in00:17:54
theory When, for example, society has a00:17:55
request for some kind of collective action00:17:57
and when everyone acts Well, look00:18:00
after00:18:03
2005 after the protests against the monetization of00:18:06
benefits some kind of standard00:18:09
councils arose, many social movements took their00:18:12
origins00:18:15
from there, after all, from there some kind of movement00:18:21
started, people began to recognize each other.00:18:24
There is such a very large Interesting00:18:26
book by a sociologist in France00:18:29
Kman, I don’t know, to be honest, whether it was announced by00:18:33
someone from the average person to the00:18:37
activist, this is just from the experience of00:18:41
the protests of 2005 and after 2005,00:18:45
the pension protest swept across the whole00:18:48
country. This was an occasion that affected00:18:51
everyone, and00:18:56
all sorts of propaganda explanations that it was because of the deer were very offended,00:18:59
especially Mikhail Leontyev explained that00:19:02
working until old age and in general until death is00:19:05
extremely extremely useful and greatly improves00:19:09
health, people were offended that00:19:13
the promise was broken, that a very important support was knocked out from under them00:19:15
because the pension for00:19:18
working pensioners was a very important00:19:21
help, the opportunity to either save00:19:23
money or help children with the same00:19:25
notorious mortgage, the offense was taken from them Pohra00:19:31
Tubi, therefore, survive United Russia00:19:34
really doesn’t like it when in their campaigning the00:19:36
opposition parties mentioned00:19:39
pensions00:19:40
for our Day, that is, that’s what then00:19:44
changed radically, the protest in general00:19:46
died, Covid happened, Covid happened00:19:51
2020,00:19:53
Covid happened, so rallies perek in it00:19:58
began to be00:20:00
used in such ways as you know, a00:20:02
toy rally, that is, at00:20:06
toys with posters were planted in the square and this was accordingly00:20:10
disseminated on00:20:12
social networks, doctors00:20:14
protested for these Covid benefits, the00:20:18
trade union helped the actions a lot then, and00:20:24
in fact, the protests moved to the online network00:20:28
and began to dominate. Such a genre as a00:20:34
video message appeal. By the way, they also had00:20:36
some kind of protocols drawn up for recording the00:20:39
appeal. for violation of the Covid00:20:42
rules, the Covid rules as a00:20:46
reason not to allow rallies00:20:49
have been preserved for a very long time, that is, they were held by00:20:52
Ma as if in Moscow there were00:20:54
no mings of United Russia in every possible00:20:58
way, but if so to speak, other00:21:02
organizations even wanted some kind of very00:21:04
similar rally Well, innocent,00:21:07
to hold an informational event for them They banned it and00:21:11
then it happened on February 24, 2022 and well,00:21:17
Alexei Navalny’s protest is what a year00:21:20
Ale Nava was when Navalny was twenty per00:21:24
year Well, they were bright, quite all00:21:29
Regina would be in many very00:21:33
regions Although in the provinces they were00:21:36
more youthful than in the00:21:39
capitals in the capitals they were Yes, there are00:21:45
provinces that are very diverse in age, more youthful, but00:21:48
they didn’t really00:21:50
have any kind of goal, there wasn’t. That is, it00:21:53
was an explosion. Yes, it was a protest, so00:21:56
Priti people said,00:22:00
why do you mean, like for the release of00:22:02
Alexei Navalny, but00:22:06
then the banned00:22:09
FBK recognized told the terrorists00:22:12
that they were stopping the protests and would00:22:16
help Alexey out in another00:22:18
way,00:22:20
everything yes, as we see, unfortunately it didn’t00:22:24
work out in00:22:25
the end, but nevertheless00:22:28
the war began, a special operation, the so-00:22:31
called what next Here again, we have00:22:34
the main reasons for the lack of protests, at00:22:37
least in Moscow, because in the regions00:22:38
they still appear here and there,00:22:42
this is a covid00:22:43
restriction,00:22:46
society is coming up with some new ways so that after all, this00:22:48
energy that exists00:22:50
generally splashes out the desire for some kind of00:22:53
collective action, or is it00:22:55
basically absent from Russian00:22:56
society? Well, it’s difficult for me to00:22:59
say whether there is no desire00:23:01
collective action usually in a00:23:03
focus group people complain that others are not in00:23:05
solidarity Of course they knew for sure they00:23:09
knew for sure that others came out Well, if00:23:12
only they wouldn’t come But they know for sure00:23:15
that others won’t come out well Look,00:23:17
we can’t agree in the house I00:23:20
always come to the meeting. Well, only I00:23:22
wasn’t at the last one. Well, before00:23:24
that, I have good reasons, but00:23:26
they just don’t go. Well, I’m exaggerating a little,00:23:29
but this is roughly the trend.00:23:32
Of course, there are protests. Well, firstly,00:23:34
covid00:23:35
restrictions can be used in00:23:37
as an excuse for refusal, both there and in the00:23:39
provinces, also in Novosibirsk,00:23:41
for example, in the winter in January, several times00:23:44
they applied for a rally due to00:23:47
utility failures. But we also did00:23:50
not allow it to be held, that is, even in the00:23:54
application they wrote that there was a threat of getting sick from00:23:57
absence00:23:59
during Siberian frosts are much higher00:24:02
than in these same Siberian frosts to become infected with00:24:04
covid at a rally, but nevertheless, they were00:24:08
not allowed, that is, the protest00:24:11
of course became larger about Because00:24:13
now it is very difficult to imagine00:24:15
Kato some kind of general ideological00:24:18
protest protest at least in social00:24:20
networks for which you will not get, at00:24:23
best, now administrative00:24:30
Well, of course, you understand, because these00:24:32
cases are also developing00:24:34
specifically, by the way, very00:24:37
cunningly, that is, it is very difficult to guess00:24:40
what really cannot be00:24:44
said, what really cannot be00:24:46
said Well, look at the00:24:47
case of Boriska doves of the founder00:24:51
channel raku Well, who would have guessed that00:24:54
you can’t put the words00:24:57
explosive congratulations00:24:59
and bridge in one sentence yes yes And for words a person00:25:03
gets 500:25:05
years, they could have given four for good measure00:25:08
Yes, so that the weather for a word and it00:25:11
turned out more Well, this is of course not00:25:14
a reason for jokes I understand, therefore00:25:16
you understand, it’s impossible to focus on what it’s00:25:17
not very clear people00:25:20
listen to00:25:22
propagandists who say that there’s00:25:24
nothing wrong with00:25:27
bombs over Siberia who call to00:25:31
kill everyone who use the00:25:33
word war00:25:36
calmly Well, Dmitry Peskov said that00:25:39
we have a war, so it’s already legitimate how they00:25:41
continue00:25:43
to flourish and with they see that people00:25:46
receive, at best, fines and more often00:25:51
decent00:25:53
sentences for words for replacing price tags there00:25:58
for reading a poem and so on and00:26:01
so on, so it’s very difficult00:26:03
to navigate00:26:05
Yes, it’s very difficult to navigate and I’ve00:26:09
already heard this and the focus group00:26:12
says But we don’t know what we can’t do,00:26:13
so the only thing we can do is remain00:26:16
silent. Yes, but nevertheless, here are the queues00:26:19
for Nadezhdin’s funeral, Navalny’s, where00:26:21
people were gathering now, the protest of00:26:24
Russian State University for the Humanities students is also quite a mass00:26:27
phenomenon by today’s standards. It is clear00:26:30
that this cannot be compared with protests00:26:31
against the pension reform, look I would00:26:34
also remember Twix the cat Twix the cat in00:26:38
sa00:26:40
bezo this is the very exit of the couple, that00:26:44
is, People00:26:46
find more or less legal00:26:51
ways to express that they00:26:55
are they are00:26:57
unhappy, probably they must be00:27:01
taken into account I heard talking to people00:27:04
about the queues for a reliable one, they00:27:06
said that he was walking or was walking, his heart00:27:09
sank, now I’ll come, these00:27:13
scattered, confused collectors are sitting there, not a00:27:16
single person, and I’m here like a poplar on00:27:21
Plyushchikha, I also joked in one of00:27:24
the conversations, for some reason, the top on Plyushchikha00:27:26
was repeated very often. I say they were there T00:27:28
at least, and now he says, “I’m coming,” and there’s00:27:31
a line there, and I’m not the first, or even the00:27:34
tenth, or even00:27:37
the hundredth, and that was a very big00:27:40
impression for people. Well, we didn’t have00:27:43
lines at the pension all the time, there was a stream00:27:45
of people. Well, people came00:27:47
and left all the time. all the time there were these places00:27:50
occupied by a person who was collecting00:27:53
signatures. Rub people sat down. There were00:27:57
no queues. It was nice that this was00:28:00
such a living place, it was a way to express oneself00:28:04
very clearly, very definitely,00:28:08
and people were shown that this door was not the00:28:13
same and this door should be nailed down. Ilyin, this is a00:28:20
special00:28:22
case, the school reminds viewers that the00:28:25
students of the Russian State University for the Humanities are protesting against the opening of the00:28:28
political school of Ivan Ilyin under the00:28:30
leadership of Alexander Gech Dugin00:28:32
was already discussed here Well, they are more likely to even00:28:34
protest against the name, yes, yes Well, as00:28:37
Ilya Budra, the political philosopher believes00:28:39
that it is the protest that is primarily00:28:41
against Dugin is against the ideology that is00:28:44
now being imposed on society. But they00:28:47
decided to use Ilyin and00:28:49
put emphasis on him because it’s00:28:50
safer. Well, this is the opinion again.00:28:54
Well, yes, it’s possible. It’s possible, but I00:28:59
think that here, of course, it’s not against00:29:02
philosophy; there00:29:05
was already a broadcast with your one of your00:29:08
fairly regular guests, Maxim00:29:11
Shevchenko, he presented this dilemma. How00:29:14
exactly is this a battle00:29:16
of philosophies, let’s let 10000:29:22
flowers bloom, that was the philosophy to be mistaken00:29:26
philo00:29:28
to be mistaken Well, you see, the problem is that00:29:31
100 flowers don’t bloom,00:29:34
all the flowers are trampled And this is a00:29:38
protest It seems to me not even against the00:29:41
views of flax, but a protest against the fact that,00:29:45
generally speaking, you will decide on00:29:48
a position, you00:29:51
are forbidden to us practically by the Armed Forces, any00:29:54
opinion that differs from television but00:29:57
television is impossible to understand00:29:58
because today is denazification and00:30:01
tomorrow Ilyin, who directly00:30:04
wrote that he welcomes the Nazis True,00:30:07
he explained Why Because that this is00:30:09
the salvation of Europe from the Bolsheviks Yes, he00:30:13
left, he was dissatisfied with them and00:30:14
was disappointed in00:30:16
them But even when all the Nazi crimes were already known,00:30:19
he wrote yes they were00:30:21
wrong, they were not very right here and00:30:23
there, but nevertheless, here is the general line00:30:25
that was correct, comrades. Well,00:30:28
change the name so as not to confuse the people.00:30:30
Yes, a separate deviation. That is, in00:30:33
principle, he was, so to speak, for this00:30:35
totalitarian ideology, and Yes, you can00:30:38
remember that00:30:40
Plato’s state was totalitarian. Well, with one still00:30:42
very important exception, there was no00:30:47
racial or another innate00:30:52
status by which00:30:54
people would be selected, so to speak, but another thing is that00:30:56
for Plato slavery was natural. Well, let’s00:30:58
forgive him, he didn’t know the whole path00:31:01
that humanity had gone through. Since then, well,00:31:03
we know. Let’s forgive flax, he didn’t00:31:06
know everything that the00:31:08
Nazis would do. okay didn’t know didn’t understand did00:31:12
n’t accept didn’t trust Well, we know Well,00:31:16
we’ve already gone all this way Well,00:31:18
we’re again taking out all00:31:20
possible historical rakes from the stash and trying to00:31:23
organize a parade with them, why is it painful in00:31:26
any case,00:31:28
and so against this is a protest that you00:31:30
will make up your mind or you have 10000:31:34
flowers. Let’s then not be in a00:31:38
pre-trial detention center, open his own political school and00:31:42
organize a debate with the political school named after00:31:44
Ilyin, books on agents, we will also00:31:47
release00:31:49
extremists00:31:52
called terrorists into the diletas. Yes, by the way, recognized as an00:31:55
extremist and terrorist,00:31:59
he will head school named after Erich about Frome00:32:03
and will challenge Dugin from his00:32:06
school named after Flax to a debate. But this is impossible and00:32:09
everyone understands perfectly well that it is impossible and the00:32:10
protest is precisely against00:32:13
this, that Dugin is like such an Outpost of00:32:17
ideology now and turns out to be included in this00:32:21
ideology or as00:32:25
for protests00:32:29
in the flooded regions of the regions in Orsk and00:32:33
Orenburg, people also came out there and they00:32:38
demand in a rather harsh form00:32:41
even the resignation of the local00:32:44
administration and so on, they00:32:54
actually abandoned self-organization. So from00:32:56
this, what can you do, firstly, this is00:32:59
such self-organization that is also not00:33:01
typical for Russian society,00:33:02
which is usually called Amirova00:33:05
VS. Well,00:33:07
look, a00:33:09
very wonderful, even I would say00:33:12
bright, against the backdrop of the disaster, report from the00:33:15
village of Perovsky, Orenburg region,00:33:18
when the residents00:33:20
gathered and built a dam, a huge00:33:23
dam themselves,00:33:28
this is actually a very tragic00:33:30
story, especially in that how they00:33:33
comment on it, they’re literally, I00:33:36
really don’t like to quote this expression00:33:39
Don’t believe, don’t be afraid, don’t ask But in their00:33:42
comments You see, it’s clear that we don’t have to wait for anyone, we00:33:44
don’t00:33:47
have to ask anyone, we don’t00:33:49
have to ask, we can do everything ourselves But it’s00:33:52
amazing, you understand, that is, we00:33:53
built something like Or they built us a00:33:56
Vertical,00:33:57
we seem to have such a tough power and00:34:00
at the same time people who have suffered such a disaster00:34:04
that could have been predicted and00:34:06
avoided, let’s say in00:34:08
parentheses quite clearly, they go to save themselves00:34:12
on their own,00:34:14
saying there is no need to wait for anyone anyway00:34:16
you'll wait. This kind of self-organization of00:34:20
despair on the one hand inspires hope00:34:22
and on the other hand it frightens a little, but what00:34:24
happens is that we have to00:34:27
reach such a new catastrophe in order to become00:34:29
self-organized00:34:41
Yes, my son in Saudi Arabia there is00:34:44
no honey there either, it’s very hot for people who are on the00:34:49
icy they literally had to save their lives in the water,00:34:52
got out in granite, another00:34:54
Yes, an00:34:55
epic statement. Okay,00:34:59
let's be humane, let's chalk it up to the fact that00:35:01
he00:35:04
was confused, and information immediately appeared00:35:08
that his grandchildren were looking for him in00:35:10
England, so if you want00:35:13
some kind of prediction from me, then in the00:35:16
end what will happen00:35:19
and the Russian00:35:21
man in the street and will force him to turn into a00:35:23
citizen is still a certain00:35:25
critical level of hypocrisy Uh-huh00:35:29
Well, because he goes off scale for the00:35:32
hypocrisy of the00:35:33
bureaucracy of the authorities Well, hypocrisy and00:35:36
bureaucracy and propaganda and00:35:38
whatever you want Well, now isn’t it obvious00:35:40
that he is huge Well, obviously but you have to00:35:44
realize this. You have to fight against it all the time,00:35:47
and when a critical00:35:50
number of people hit it, then00:35:54
maybe there will be something there, a protest00:35:56
of spices, a protest of00:35:59
despair, you understand. Of course,00:36:03
what’s the problem with us is a big country, a huge00:36:08
distance, that is, when you00:36:12
there you tell a person from now unfriendly00:36:15
Europe that gasoline is very close00:36:19
to Moscow, located some 6,70000:36:22
km, many00:36:24
are offended, many people have a smaller country in some00:36:28
dimensions00:36:30
and there is no this, you know,00:36:33
mm00:36:35
interregional Solidarity of unity,00:36:38
it is forming very poorly, I’ve been00:36:41
observing it for, I don’t know, ten years It’s like00:36:45
trying to form some kind of00:36:47
interregional00:36:49
interaction so that people would come to00:36:51
support each other. By the way, there00:36:53
were attempts with Shii Som. Yes, with Shii Som,00:36:55
they came from different regions,00:36:56
indeed, with environmental00:36:58
protests, this happened, and it wasn’t the00:37:00
Black Earth region; there were protests there against00:37:03
all sorts of waste incineration plants, but00:37:06
this00:37:07
story didn’t go well. This story didn’t go far.00:37:11
By the way, in the Pension protest, it was00:37:13
that people from the regional centers gathered00:37:16
by bus and went to the regional center in00:37:19
order to create there. Well,00:37:23
mass participation didn’t go any further; they were00:37:28
extremely weak at all levels.00:37:32
But you were talking about the fact that00:37:35
people under the slogan Never be afraid, don’t00:37:38
ask, actually shot the dam themselves and00:37:41
you also wrote in your book New00:37:43
Russia its old problems about the myth of00:37:46
social dependency, that is, that00:37:49
Russian society is not entirely00:37:53
paternalistic, that is, people live00:37:56
Perhaps there in the regions,00:37:58
that is they don’t count on00:37:59
the state at all, neither in the World Cup is there00:38:01
such a thing, or do we still have00:38:03
some kind of hope, faith in the state, that the00:38:06
state will somehow help and support in00:38:09
difficult times? And generally not in difficult times.00:38:11
You know, I’ll now say something Nana is very00:38:14
paradoxical, but I learned it from00:38:17
numerous focus groups that I00:38:19
conducted in various00:38:20
studies: there is faith in the state but00:38:23
there is no hope in it,00:38:28
so I don’t know how it is in00:38:31
people, you know, that is, they say Well,00:38:34
the state should someday No00:38:36
why Well, we believe in our to the President No,00:38:38
wait, well, the government00:38:40
is trying right away when we move on to00:38:43
the future, they say, we know for sure on00:38:45
the state, you can’t count on who00:38:47
my children are. Well, for example, when it comes00:38:49
to the birth rate, about00:38:51
the demography of children, the state00:38:57
is for education for additional00:38:59
education for medicine, here young people00:39:01
say Well, that’s how we believe, of course, well, you00:39:04
can’t rely on the state. But that’s how we believe, it’s00:39:06
always nearby. I don’t00:39:08
know how it gets along. But it exists, it’s00:39:10
just an observable fact. It’s even00:39:12
difficult for me to give it any00:39:14
explanation as for dependency Yes,00:39:17
in the income structure, almost 20% in00:39:20
some regions,00:39:21
more of these are social payments that00:39:24
we have retained in every possible way from the Soviet ones.00:39:28
By the way, the payment system is reasonable,00:39:30
some generally very strange00:39:33
payments, and even Gaidar,00:39:36
Gaidar’s government fought but got confused and was unable to00:39:40
cancel everything and I must say that the00:39:42
Russian citizens receive and will receive00:39:45
from the state everything that is due to them. That00:39:46
is, this is a separate job, not everything00:39:49
falls into your hands00:39:52
and work,00:39:57
while00:39:59
Russians work very hard,00:40:03
because we still don’t00:40:07
consider wages, neither average nor00:40:09
even modal, well, that is, the most00:40:11
common rate for 8 hours for00:40:16
these notorious 8 hours No one is00:40:19
counting. That is, if you take how00:40:22
much people earn in one00:40:26
working week, that is, for this standard00:40:29
Yes and Mishustin told us that 70-00:40:32
odd rubles thousand rubles is the average00:40:35
their salary is 70,000, their average salary in the00:40:37
regions was probably very surprised, yes And00:40:40
their average salary is where all the00:40:43
top managers of all the rectors who in the00:40:46
regions are decently paid heads of doctors of00:40:49
hospitals heads of doctors of all sorts of00:40:51
federal medical centers of which there are00:40:53
many in the regions, but these 70,00000:40:59
Nobody knows how many wages a00:41:05
teacher should00:41:07
take;00:41:29
This is the00:41:31
harshest00:41:33
exploiter, they only exploit00:41:35
themselves and there is no one else to00:41:38
exploit, they work and work00:41:40
and work. And by the way, I must say that’s00:41:43
when I participated in projects, so to00:41:45
speak.00:41:56
make your00:41:58
remuneration calculated for the period So00:42:00
you are exploiting yourself like you00:42:02
probably wouldn’t exploit anyone because00:42:04
you don’t feel00:42:05
sorry for yourself people rush to take part-time jobs and00:42:09
grab any I’m talking about the average Yes and that’s why they do00:42:12
n’t have enough time00:42:15
to think and00:42:18
evaluate the situation maybe00:42:20
take part in some political00:42:23
movement, for example in a social00:42:24
movement,00:42:27
engage in activism Well, not not not not00:42:30
only time, the main thing is strength, you know00:42:32
If you have time, for example in the evening00:42:35
Well, probably you could do00:42:39
something socially00:42:41
useful at this time, but you don’t have the strength I don’t have the strength to be00:42:44
a citizen,00:42:47
it turns out that this is also one of the00:42:50
factors. This is a precarious well-being00:42:54
with which the average Russian trembles terribly,00:42:57
it is very00:42:58
precarious, it requires enormous efforts to00:43:02
maintain it. Well, of course, not only this, we do00:43:06
n’t forget about the repressive laws00:43:08
that we have there is no00:43:10
historical00:43:12
experience of either public politics or00:43:15
municipal activism. Well, when was it possible to00:43:18
get this experience,00:43:20
which generation could get00:43:23
experience, for example, as a00:43:24
redneck worker,00:43:28
when you come to us, even00:43:30
public hearings, people participated in00:43:32
public hearings, they were quite00:43:33
active And by the way to this day,00:43:36
these activists on the ground are trying to do something;00:43:38
activists from the Moscow region recently recorded an appeal00:43:41
for preserving the00:43:42
ecological situation, so00:43:44
to speak, for preserving forests. The Moscow region is trying00:43:47
against00:43:50
development, but now the public00:43:53
hearing has actually canceled them. Replace the doubles00:43:57
with public hearings. The problem is00:43:59
really00:44:01
People are no longer just They can threaten you with a finger,00:44:03
they can put you in jail, and it’s good00:44:05
if for 10-15 days and not for 500:44:11
years, you don’t even know, for example, you00:44:14
support some organizations there,00:44:16
channels, you don’t have time to keep track of00:44:18
whether they were appointed by Foreigners as agents or00:44:21
terrorists or extremists or00:44:23
zan and how These translations of yours will00:44:27
of course influence people, you know, that00:44:29
is, people are scared, there is another factor00:44:32
that we are now seeing. Well,00:44:34
almost with any protest it manifests00:44:37
itself, look, the wives00:44:40
are mobilized. Well, why do they want something so00:44:43
illegal?00:44:45
Most of them openly say00:44:48
that they support00:44:50
their own. Well, no the majority, that is, there by Well,00:44:53
not the majority Well, that means no there are00:44:55
against the war, yes, a00:44:57
significant part, yes. At least00:45:00
some of the00:45:02
faces of the movement, so to speak, say that they00:45:05
support and that the husbands volunteered, so00:45:07
to speak, they want00:45:10
justice for their husbands.00:45:13
Look how they rushed at them right away, yes00:45:15
But so far none of them have been detained, they00:45:18
must be given back, they must detain the00:45:19
journalists who, for example, are covering00:45:21
this protest of00:45:23
the mobilized women, but not the mobilized women themselves. Well, it’s not theirs yet,00:45:28
that’s probably it would probably be, you know,00:45:31
completely dangerous.00:45:34
Well, arresting the wife of a man who00:45:38
weapons in their hands at00:45:42
the front Well, of course, but this is a risk for00:45:46
journalists for God’s sake But here, so to00:45:49
speak, there are some nuances But00:45:53
they were attacked Yes, the propagandist is still doing everything possible for00:46:04
students00:46:05
against the Ilyin school What00:46:09
they say is that this is00:46:22
inspiring the enemy point of view,00:46:25
carried out00:46:29
from a moral point of view they are afraid that people00:46:31
will think so about them, they are afraid, what if it’s00:46:34
really not patriotic that I’m00:46:36
new here, too, there are people like this, you know, the00:46:39
technique is quite effective. You look at how many00:46:43
factors there are00:46:45
against people uniting to00:46:49
protest, there are a00:46:51
lot of Sima Kato, which is a way to hug00:46:57
for no or Surely it will only be in00:46:59
Russia and in general only people located00:47:03
in Russia will be able to influence changes in the00:47:07
country. Well, I will express my00:47:11
opinion; a political position located00:47:14
abroad can conduct propaganda and00:47:16
information work probably. But of00:47:19
course, the strength to consolidate00:47:22
such a society as the Russian one can00:47:28
only be achieved now with the forces located Abroad, in00:47:31
my opinion, this is00:47:32
fantastic, that is, of course, there must be00:47:35
people here who have not left, this is the only00:47:38
way they can inspire Trust, well,00:47:40
as it seems to me, Anna, you also00:47:44
conducted research among young people,00:47:47
what kind of moods do they have, do00:47:49
propaganda narratives influence their00:47:51
worldview or that’s all it somehow00:47:54
passes by and so you said. What is it about00:47:57
patriotism, such a00:47:58
moral dilemma, a person is afraid that00:48:00
suddenly it’s not patriotic, for example, and that they00:48:03
call him an agent of Western intelligence services, that’s00:48:05
what to do, how my friends will look at me, that’s00:48:08
what patriotism for young people00:48:11
is loyalty authorities or00:48:13
something00:48:14
else Well, I’ll say right away this study00:48:17
was carried out in the spring and summer of 2022 and it00:48:22
was planned earlier and00:48:24
we didn’t ask questions related to ours, but00:48:27
questions of patriotism were discussed there00:48:29
and in focus groups and in interviews and in00:48:35
one of the questionnaires it was possible to use these00:48:38
The data is quite extensive to understand that00:48:40
young people under 25 years old, we had a00:48:42
sample, can think about patriotism, well,00:48:46
definitely. Of course, they do not00:48:50
combine loyalty to the authorities, patriotism is00:48:57
love for the Motherland. Note, it00:48:59
was explained in some detail in the focus groups, this is a00:49:02
love of language, this is a careful attitude00:49:07
towards heritage to history, a careful attitude00:49:11
to00:49:12
history not only does not include but00:49:16
excludes throwing out00:49:18
tragic pages from history because tragedy00:49:21
is a very important part of history, if the00:49:22
country has overcome this, it is a reason for00:49:24
pride and not for00:49:28
such00:49:31
sentiments, too. There is such a00:49:36
moment, it was clearly difficult for the young00:49:39
answer people if the country is in00:49:42
danger, is it patriotic or00:49:46
unpatriotic to support the government?00:49:50
Yes, there00:49:52
was a difference,00:49:57
but the general opinion was that you need to00:49:59
think every time Yes, each situation is00:50:02
individual, you need to analyze the00:50:05
actions of the government well, that is, the opinion00:50:08
that everything that comes from the state is00:50:10
definitely good There was no such opinion,00:50:12
although to say that these sentiments are00:50:15
oppositional, that this is absolutely00:50:17
nonconformism, no, in no case, I00:50:20
will not say completely00:50:21
moderate,00:50:24
but the human right to thought, the00:50:27
human right to a variety of information, the00:50:30
right to individual choice, these are very00:50:33
clear, understandable and necessary00:50:37
values that are young people Well,00:50:41
they showed extremely well traditional values. That’s what this00:50:44
concept includes. Well, not everyone understands that it’s right away,00:50:47
we don’t always understand it either. But not everyone00:50:49
understands what it is, that is, who said that00:50:52
it’s a family tradition, it’s a family tradition.00:50:54
Getting together, for example, younger people00:50:58
Yes, for 16 17 18 years, the respondent usually00:51:01
said this is a family tradition of getting00:51:03
together or the traditions of the country as a whole.00:51:08
Yes, and they often said that many00:51:11
folk traditions00:51:15
are forgotten, especially00:51:18
some regional traditions. Well, especially00:51:20
advanced ones they said, but traditional00:51:22
values are what they criticize on TV00:51:25
they scold,00:51:27
that is, ban LGBT Yes, that’s all they00:51:30
scold on TV, so to speak.00:51:37
But00:51:40
mostly young people. Well, I must say that in00:51:42
general they speak quite restrainedly;00:51:44
they are already scientific. Yes, you have to00:51:46
choose your words, but nevertheless they00:51:48
absolutely have, let’s say, the values of modernity00:51:53
of our time Even under00:51:55
modernity,00:51:58
Freedom, family is an absolute value, an00:52:02
absolute value, and it’s interesting00:52:05
that my generation didn’t have it00:52:07
formed. It probably would have been necessary, but it00:52:09
wasn’t formed, that a family00:52:11
is an expensive00:52:12
pleasure. It’s not just an expensive00:52:14
valuable thing. It’s also a phenomenon, an event in00:52:16
your life. but it is also an expensive00:52:18
pleasure that a family must be00:52:21
earned, but in a family it is not00:52:24
formal connections that are important, but00:52:30
children. Yes, it would be nice to have a lot, but this is00:52:33
everyone’s choice and parents must understand what00:52:37
they can give to their children, both financially00:52:40
and morally. How much time for00:52:43
them. How much time00:52:46
to devote to them how to educate them What kind of00:52:49
development can they give them? This is a huge00:52:52
responsibility. Well, it’s an expensive00:52:53
pleasure again.00:52:56
Therefore, such a00:52:59
homeless large family is00:53:01
irresponsibility. It would be better to00:53:04
remind our officials of this more often00:53:06
who are promoting this, especially00:53:10
Kuznetsova Lvovo Belova Mari Kototsova00:53:15
Maybe she knows about the World Cup, she says herself00:53:16
Mother of many children She,00:53:19
without any00:53:22
doubt, has not noted that somehow they00:53:27
can afford it, especially00:53:28
young people without social elevators, they00:53:31
generally see their future in Russia or00:53:33
want to leave In connection with all the00:53:37
events Well, the majority see the future00:53:41
in Russia yeah but they have a very bad00:53:45
attitude towards Well, they generally have a bad00:53:49
attitude towards limiting choice, let’s say this is why00:53:56
today’s00:53:58
of course is not compatible with the basic00:54:01
values of young people, they want00:54:04
choice, they want to00:54:07
stay in their country, but not because00:54:10
they have no00:54:11
choice, but because they want it, they do00:54:15
n’t would object, well, the majority at00:54:17
least travel, maybe00:54:21
study abroad, work00:54:24
abroad, get some00:54:26
experience and choose a consciously00:54:41
conscious one in Russia I love my00:54:43
country I love my language I feel00:54:46
good here and they00:54:49
trust the authorities what kind of relationship they have Well, at the00:54:52
beginning you said that after all,00:54:53
young people are more skeptical about the00:54:57
authorities Well, it’s different here, it’s00:55:00
just interesting, you00:55:02
said, for example, there was such a concept00:55:06
Neporovo obb were not afraid of anything. They00:55:10
grew up in a free country, as they00:55:12
usually call it, and now you said that00:55:15
they have already been taught to choose their words what00:55:17
is possible what is not, that is, they are more like00:55:20
careerists. On the contrary, they are conformists, I would not00:55:23
say that they are very careerists,00:55:26
they just sort of absorb what is around them00:55:29
because these are people born in this00:55:32
century and they already received certain qualifications in school at the university.00:55:36
Well, it was explained to them later for the00:55:40
already six months that have passed there since00:55:43
February 24th there and some of our groups00:55:45
took place in the summer of twenty-two they were00:55:47
already explained They read social networks, they00:55:50
messenger I read everything They00:55:52
understand perfectly well Yes they read Telegram channels but00:55:58
they don’t So I didn’t see any00:56:00
sharp of the opposition there is an oppositional00:56:02
attitude there is an oppositional00:56:04
attitude with leftist00:56:07
ideas and with the ideas of social00:56:10
justice with liberal ideas, that00:56:12
is, with the ideas of such Freedom In00:56:15
general, civil and market Yes, of00:56:20
course they are skeptical,00:56:22
but they are a minority,00:56:25
anyway,00:56:28
the rest do not formulate their attitude to00:56:30
direct questions there it wasn’t they are00:56:33
trying to live in00:56:34
parallel00:56:36
Yeah Yes in parallel Well, in principle, it00:56:38
seems to me that they are not the only ones,00:56:41
Anna, after all, if we generalize about00:56:46
Russian society about its potential for00:56:49
protest, not even for protest, but there is00:56:51
some kind of civil00:56:53
Solidarity of greater activity,00:56:57
you said that it is now asking, but what00:56:59
could become a trigger? In this00:57:02
situation, look when you remember00:57:04
when there was mobilization, partial00:57:05
mobilization was announced which, by the way, still00:57:07
seems to have not been completed.00:57:10
But at least there was no decree, and then it’s00:57:15
not impossible to say that there were big00:57:17
protests, but there were protests in Dagestan00:57:20
is so very bright where the wives came out, it’s00:57:22
just that they were in Tyva, Buryatia was a little bit00:57:25
also not a citizen of the buses with their00:57:27
bodies so as not to let their husbands go00:57:31
to the front so that they wouldn’t be taken anywhere00:57:33
in the national republics, but00:57:34
probably there was such a serious recruitment there, to put it00:57:38
mildly Well there in several times00:57:41
more in percentage terms, that is,00:57:43
in these regions, from 2 to 55% of the poor were taken00:57:46
away. And in Russia, a little more than 1% on00:57:49
average was taken away. That is, the00:57:51
bet was made on the poor regions and on the00:57:53
remote region. Well, of course, so that there00:57:55
was nowhere to go and no touched00:57:57
the regions initially with such a reputation of00:58:00
more protest ones touched less00:58:03
means prudently Yes, let's face it,00:58:06
no, all very many things00:58:08
are done very masterfully, not so much in the00:58:10
development of society But in the sense of00:58:11
manipulation, this is absolutely all excellent Well,00:58:14
that is, some kind of catastrophe is about to happen00:58:16
again second wave It is possible that there will be00:58:18
mobilization or00:58:21
that society will raise its voice00:58:24
against what is happening00:58:26
or not, this will not happen00:58:30
and Well, that is, some kind of catastrophe must00:58:33
happen or just some kind of00:58:35
opportunity for action And yet people are00:58:37
more inclined anyway will be for a00:58:39
safe00:58:41
protest Well, it’s difficult to predict like that, that00:58:44
is, is society expecting some kind of change and is00:58:47
society ready to become a subject of00:58:49
change and not an observer so as00:58:52
not to00:58:54
bite the elbows later? Well, our society in general00:58:57
somehow has very little experience of being a subject of00:59:00
change, like during perestroika it seemed00:59:02
Right now Yes, but somehow very quickly00:59:04
everyone turned from a subject into spectators00:59:06
and then into delighted consumers. Well,00:59:10
first into spectators. Then that means into people00:59:12
concerned with survival and then into00:59:14
consumers. Yes, in the year 2000.00:59:17
And you know. People often like to00:59:21
quote00:59:23
Pushkin. is silent00:59:27
It seems like yes, you see, the people00:59:29
are silent, but in Pushkin they00:59:31
are silent in response to what, in response to the00:59:34
call to glorify the next00:59:38
tsar, that is, shout Glory to the Emperor and the00:59:42
people are silent00:59:45
and this silence is Pushkin, Pushkin is a00:59:49
genius,00:59:52
right, this is a dual situation,00:59:55
silence is00:59:57
not at all means a sign of consent is not consent at all,00:59:59
you understand Therefore,01:00:02
sooner or later, society is not society. But01:00:06
people, each individual social group01:00:09
will have to become the subject of change. That01:00:12
is, there are two options: either you are01:00:13
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ultimately Yes, and there will be changes anyway It’s01:00:19
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