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journalist, publicist Vitaly, Good00:00:18
evening.00:00:19
I want to start with What exactly is the statement00:00:23
that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has already reacted to,00:00:25
clearly commenting on the fact that the head of the00:00:28
NATO Secretary General's Office stated that00:00:31
Ukraine can acquire membership in NATO in00:00:33
exchange for concessions on the territory of the Russian00:00:35
Federation, well, of course, this will be00:00:36
solely Kyiv's decision, but Ukraine00:00:39
can make such a choice, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Ukraine00:00:42
would say that00:00:44
Ukraine will never make any concessions, but here it is00:00:46
definitely the answer, Ukraine may00:00:48
only have this, but here the question is00:00:51
that this public statement was made by the00:00:54
NATO office, and in your opinion,00:00:59
you know what the consequences of this could be I have already had to00:01:01
repeatedly explain that the NATO member states are00:01:04
not ready for00:01:07
any situation that could lead to a00:01:09
direct confrontation with the Russian00:01:12
Federation,00:01:14
and it seems to me that the leaders of the NATO member states have00:01:17
repeatedly spoken about this, starting00:01:20
from the President of the United States of America,00:01:22
Joseph Baid, and ending with European00:01:25
leaders countries, so to speak, this is a00:01:28
common opinion, this is a consensus, you can00:01:31
see that even the most allies of00:01:34
Ukraine, let's say there, the Polish leadership00:01:36
always tried to mitigate the consequences of00:01:39
any random actions of the Russian00:01:43
Federation on their own territories, to the point00:01:46
that when there was this famous story00:01:49
with a missile that got into Polish00:01:52
territory, I mean not a tourage,00:01:54
what turned out to be a missile, maybe the Ukrainian00:01:55
legal system, the real Russian one, it was00:01:58
simply not reported for several00:02:00
months of fasting.00:02:02
Thus, if we are talking about the00:02:05
Euro-Atlantic integration of Ukraine, there are00:02:08
several ways of its achievements, the00:02:10
first way is if Ukraine00:02:15
can free all its territories00:02:19
to achieve a peace agreement with Russia, which is00:02:24
recognized as liberated or simply a00:02:26
de facto armistice, the de facto end of00:02:30
the war00:02:32
and the status of a country whose territory00:02:35
will be restored00:02:36
will become a member of NATO, at the same time, the question will also arise as to00:02:39
how ready NATO will be00:02:41
for such a step if the Russian Federation is00:02:43
not to recognize the fact of Ukraine's control00:02:46
over its own territories will00:02:49
consider Ukraine to be a state occupying in00:02:52
quotation marks the territories of Russia itself, which are00:02:54
written in the Russian Constitution, will close00:02:57
NATO, father, it will pay attention00:02:59
to this Russian Constitution, where you can even00:03:01
read Texas, write down how you understand this00:03:04
question already on domeda, this is a question for us.00:03:07
This is the first possibility. The00:03:09
second possibility is if all the territories are00:03:13
not liberated.00:03:16
The war00:03:17
is de facto over. Here00:03:20
the question arises whether Ukraine can, in this situation,00:03:23
let's say somehow, a truce with the Russian00:03:25
Federation.00:03:35
it is obvious that in the situation, if00:03:41
military operations continue, attempts to00:03:45
liberate the entire Ukrainian territory from the00:03:47
enemy will continue. Donato's Ukraine will not be able to pass00:03:50
because it will automatically mean00:03:53
that NATO is entering into a direct conflict with the00:03:56
Russian Federation. Thus, in00:03:58
the environment of the West,00:04:00
options for how to do this can be sought for Ukraine00:04:03
to become a member of NATO even in a situation where00:04:06
parts of its territory will remain under00:04:08
Russian occupation That's all and that's what the00:04:13
head of the secretary general's office said,00:04:15
he said a fairly simple thing Ukraine00:04:18
even if If it is translated00:04:20
even in the council if it fails to00:04:23
release its territories from the enemy.00:04:26
It can apply for membership, but00:04:30
in such a situation it will have to abandon the00:04:32
idea of returning its territories,00:04:34
say, by military means, because it will00:04:37
mean a war between NATO and Russia, a nuclear00:04:39
conflict and the disappearance of00:04:41
civilization in Eurasia and North00:04:45
America. in00:04:49
any case, it must be clearly understood00:04:50
that if Ukraine, say, cannot00:04:53
liberate its territories00:04:55
and claims to be a member of the Sonata, it00:04:58
will need to give guarantees of at least00:05:01
its own non-attack00:05:04
on the territories occupied by the Russian00:05:06
Federation with the aim of liberating them by force,00:05:09
agree that such territories00:05:11
can to be released only by political00:05:13
means, I do not know what tools will be00:05:16
used and whether they will be used at all, I am00:05:18
simply explaining to you the logic of such00:05:20
officials,00:05:21
and it is not only the logic of officials, when an00:05:23
official says this, then this is something that00:05:25
Western capitals are seriously thinking about,00:05:29
and Western capitals are thinking about00:05:32
about how to end the war in the event that it00:05:34
turns out that Ukraine00:05:39
cannot liberate its territories by force and Russia00:05:42
cannot occupy the entire territory of Ukraine, here00:05:44
we can come to such a situation that is00:05:46
absolutely real from the point of view of the00:05:48
continuation of what we are currently00:05:50
observing and what we are taking with00:05:53
you participation, let's say the entire territory of00:05:55
Ukraine cannot be freed from00:05:57
the occupier by military means and the entire territory of00:06:00
Ukraine cannot be00:06:02
captured by the invader by military means, what to do in00:06:04
such a situation, what is the way out of the situation for00:06:07
me, the way out is obvious00:06:08
Ukraine I have already said it several times00:06:11
Ukraine Must receive an invitation to NATO00:06:15
Ukraine must receive security guarantees from NATO for the duration of00:06:18
this invitation until it00:06:19
becomes a NATO member,00:06:22
at least for this territory00:06:24
controlled by the legitimate Ukrainian00:06:26
government.00:06:28
Furthermore, the issue of Ukraine's admission to NATO is00:06:31
political in all territorial aspects,00:06:34
this is already a matter of process, however, Russia and00:06:39
other countries must realize that there is no00:06:43
possibility of seizing the entire territory of00:06:45
Ukraine, which is controlled by the legitimate00:06:47
Ukrainian government, without a direct conflict. I00:06:49
will not know in Russia. Here, and all00:06:53
the logic, the moment00:06:56
will be too ready for such a political00:06:59
decision. I can also tell you that, however, the00:07:00
alternative is a long, bloody,00:07:03
brutal war on the territory of Ukraine00:07:06
and I will tell you right away that this war is just00:07:09
beginning because Russia will wage this00:07:13
war until the mobilization00:07:15
potential of Ukraine is exhausted, we must always00:07:17
remember that the mobilization potential of the00:07:19
Russian Federation is many times higher than the00:07:22
potential potential of Ukraine, Russia00:07:24
may not have the economic resources00:07:27
to lead such an answer for00:07:29
long enough, I will say there for 10 years. It may00:07:32
not have enough military equipment00:07:34
to wage such a war for long enough,00:07:36
but the mobilization potential is such that it00:07:40
forces the Ukrainian more and more00:07:42
people to00:07:43
also mobilize so that more and more00:07:45
people die so that at the end of this war00:07:48
eventually there was only one00:07:51
thing of the Ukrainian people. That's what00:07:54
Vladimir Putin has enough Russian00:07:56
corpses for.00:07:59
This is a simple logic, everyone understands it, if there00:08:04
are00:08:06
120-140 million people in Russia, and there are00:08:09
about 3000:08:11
million people in Ukraine today, then these are the00:08:13
ratios of the isolation00:08:15
potential of the aggressor country and the00:08:17
victim countries00:08:19
and, of course, modern technology00:08:24
and00:08:25
help from the West help us to wage this00:08:28
war. However, I am absolutely sure that the00:08:31
long-term war is solely in the00:08:34
interests of the Russian Federation and its00:08:36
president.00:08:37
When we hear from various Ukrainian00:08:39
politicians and observers that all00:08:44
territories will be liberated over time, that it00:08:47
can to be very long, very long, I00:08:49
read it today00:08:52
[music]00:08:55
it seems that the Minister of00:08:57
Occupied Territories is equal, that it is00:08:59
necessary, that this is a marathon, that it will be long or long, that we will have to00:09:04
fight, that it will take a long time to release all of this,00:09:07
this is the Holy truth, but everyone who writes that way00:09:16
about everyone this thinker must answer the00:09:20
question00:09:22
What will happen as a result of the00:09:25
long-term war between us and the Russians,00:09:27
that is, how many Russians will remain and00:09:31
how many Ukrainians will remain on the00:09:34
territory of Ukraine From the point of view of the00:09:36
physical00:09:38
destruction of the people and from the point of view of00:09:40
demographic problems because we00:09:42
understand that every dead person in Ukraine is an00:09:45
unborn child,00:09:47
every month in every year of the war, these are people00:09:50
who will not return to Ukraine and little by little00:09:54
will be assimilated in the lands of their00:09:56
new permanent residence.00:09:58
And that is why we must honestly say to ourselves that the long00:10:01
war is the way to the triumph of the President of the00:10:05
Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, and the00:10:07
Russian people, the long war solves the00:10:10
existential problem of the Russians, the very00:10:12
existence of Ukraine next to Russia as the00:10:15
only large00:10:18
country in Eastern Europe, which is a00:10:20
civilizational alternative to Russia, will be00:10:23
solved once and for all once and for all00:10:27
because the new Ukraine00:10:30
is the way it was, with a large population of00:10:32
40-45 million people it00:10:40
will never be a large economy with great potential with large agriculture. It will remain in the00:10:43
history textbooks00:10:45
as in the history textbooks of, say,00:10:48
our neighboring Hungary00:10:50
remained until the Trianon Hungary. Hungary is a00:10:53
large state with a large number of00:10:56
people of various nationalities, but it00:10:59
was Hungary.00:11:04
economy with great influence in Europe,00:11:06
now this Hungary is gone,00:11:09
only the memory of it remains, it remained00:11:13
on the pages of the history textbook What is our00:11:16
historical task to make sure that00:11:18
Ukrainians do not become just characters from00:11:21
such a textbook about which little00:11:23
Ukraine will remain Territorially,00:11:25
maybe it will be big I I mean a00:11:27
small demographic,00:11:29
they didn't tell you, you know, that's how it was,00:11:31
we had such a country,00:11:33
millions of people everywhere, here in this place, can00:11:36
you imagine, there were 3 million people,00:11:39
we had a few million, they00:11:42
were us, there was a big economy, and that's all. I00:11:46
don't want to. I want00:11:49
Ukraine to be the future. I belong to a people00:11:51
who recognized all this on their own.00:11:55
I would tell the story of my own history00:11:58
more than once.00:12:00
Imagine for a moment00:12:03
that Hitler would not have destroyed 6 million Jews. How00:12:07
many Jews would live in00:12:11
Europe today? Well,00:12:16
there are thousands of00:12:18
people in different countries,00:12:21
just think that before the Second World00:12:23
War,00:12:29
millions of people of Jewish00:12:31
origin lived on the territory of Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, millions of00:12:34
them had their own language. do00:12:54
we want Ukrainian civilization00:12:56
to remain in the beautiful museums that we00:12:59
will build for the victims and heroes of this war, or do00:13:02
we want Ukrainian civilization00:13:04
to remain in needlework festivals in00:13:07
different countries of the world where people00:13:09
who will be the first two generations will live Remember00:13:11
your Ukrainian origin Of course00:13:14
not That's why you need to think about three things00:13:18
that I have already talked about several times, I can00:13:19
repeat to you once again Svitlana about the preservation of the00:13:22
Ukrainian nation, this is the number one issue00:13:25
because the survival of the Ukrainian nation00:13:29
is a sub-enormous threat and the idea of a00:13:33
long-term war is00:13:35
Vladimir Putin's plan to dispose of this00:13:38
hostile nation as free people,00:13:41
as a people, we are ready to really resist the00:13:45
slave imperial traditions of Moscow. The00:13:47
second is the preservation of the Ukrainian00:13:50
state.00:13:59
It is00:14:02
a meeting of the Central Rada and it will be like this.00:14:03
Neither the Central Rada nor the00:14:07
Verkhovna Rada do not guarantee the existence of the00:14:08
Ukrainian state,00:14:11
only true security guarantees its00:14:13
existence. Only now consolidation with the00:14:16
civilized world guarantees its existence.00:14:24
integrity, these are three00:14:27
priorities, but when we defend one00:14:30
of the priorities, we can never forget the00:14:32
first two, because if we forget the00:14:36
first two, we can get00:14:37
territorial integrity on an empty00:14:40
land,00:14:41
and on this empty land, because a holy00:14:44
place is not empty, other people will live00:14:47
it can even be called Ukraine00:14:50
for God's sake00:14:53
in the end, but the question is not in the name, but the00:14:56
question is in the essence, so let's say I00:14:59
see my task in explaining the need00:15:02
to preserve the Ukrainian nation and in00:15:04
reminding that such a nation can be the closest00:15:07
if the war continues for the next00:15:09
ten years, such a nation can to become a00:15:12
fragment of the history of our past,00:15:17
Vitaly, but actually all these facts and all00:15:20
this beautiful arithmetic are also realized by00:15:23
our partners, and when you talk about the00:15:26
fact that it is necessary to provide more technical00:15:29
means that we can introduce this00:15:31
war, but if our partners They00:15:35
they have all these technical means, I00:15:36
mean completely different weapons, they would00:15:39
provide enough of them not00:15:41
just to start a war, but for Ukraine to00:15:44
win this war, and for us, the00:15:47
time is very important because absolutely, well, that is,00:15:50
you always say and Everyone who00:15:52
listens to your explanations understands that00:15:55
yes, and a war of attrition is profitable for Russia,00:15:59
and Putin is going, and I believe that he00:16:01
really is.00:16:09
dug completely unsuitable for00:16:12
life, at least with the same00:16:14
rocket attacks, shelling of the energy00:16:16
infrastructure, and so on.00:16:27
as for weapons, so that Ukraine does not just wage this00:16:30
war, God forbid, so it disappeared,00:16:34
and Ukraine won, did not allow, did not00:16:37
allow Russia to go out, lead this war00:16:39
to exhaustion and destroy the Ukrainian00:16:41
nation and our people, let's00:16:44
first understand what we mean by victory,00:16:46
because again - after all, when we talk about00:16:47
victory, it is such an abstract verb,00:16:49
victory for Ukrainians, as I can00:16:51
tell you, it is the preservation of the nation, the state and the00:16:55
restoration of territorial integrity,00:16:56
but this does not mean that00:16:59
Russia will not be able to conduct a war with Ukraine from its territory,00:17:02
even after it happened.00:17:05
the war of attrition will continue00:17:06
even if the Ukrainian troops liberate the00:17:08
entire sovereign territory of Ukraine. It00:17:10
can also be tough enough with00:17:12
barrage shelling and with the fact that00:17:14
Russian troops will be00:17:15
transferred again to go to Ukrainian00:17:17
territory again to kill people again.00:17:18
I have explained many times that the00:17:23
restoration of the territorial integrity of00:17:25
Ukraine is not at all guarantees the end of00:17:27
the war. I simply translate this war into a00:17:28
choice00:17:30
because for the Russian Federation it00:17:32
restores the territorial integrity of00:17:33
Ukraine, which means in political language the00:17:35
capture by the Ukrainian Nazis of the00:17:37
Russian regions of the Crimea,00:17:39
Kherson Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk,00:17:42
Donetsk Oblasts, what does a large and00:17:44
nuclear power do when the Nazis take over00:17:46
the territory, they prepare for their00:17:50
capture for several months if there is no00:17:52
political solution to this story, the00:17:53
Russian troops will regroup00:17:56
all this time,00:17:57
massive missile attacks on00:17:59
Ukrainian territory in Russia will continue, that is, one day00:18:02
we will have Victory Day, and the next day00:18:04
will be the day of the missile alert, we will00:18:06
again count only the dead,00:18:09
so again we have to understand what00:18:11
victory is in a situation when one country00:18:14
that is attacked by another cannot wage war on the00:18:16
territory of another country and how many00:18:19
weapons do we need, the most important thing is how many00:18:22
troops we need so that we can00:18:23
reach the capital of the nuclear state, the city of00:18:26
Moscow, and force the Russian leadership to00:18:30
sign the surrender agreement how00:18:33
many should our army have in general,00:18:36
what weapons should we have for this,00:18:38
etc., etc. And if we say that00:18:41
our only goal is to liberate our territory00:18:44
from the enemy, that this is a victory, then we must00:18:46
remember that after this Victory, we00:18:48
can come the black years of the war00:18:50
of attrition,00:18:53
so the victory is not just the00:18:54
restoration of territorial integrity, the00:18:56
victory is the end of the war, Claude,00:18:59
what should be remembered for00:19:00
Ukrainian citizens,00:19:02
the liberation of the entire territory of Ukraine from the00:19:04
enemy is the automatic end of the war,00:19:06
it is not true,00:19:07
the end of Vinnytsia, the end of the war is00:19:10
when the Russians do not now we are00:19:14
talking to you during an air00:19:15
alert00:19:16
Well, who told you that we cannot00:19:18
speak during an air alert00:19:20
after the liberation of our territories and00:19:22
find out that00:19:25
half of00:19:26
Sevastopol,00:19:28
Port of Sevastopol, the Russians destroyed00:19:31
Portsevastopol with their rocket attack, with a massive amount of rockets, let's say00:19:33
it will simply be our sport,00:19:35
it will simply be destroyed, how can we do it so that00:19:38
it is not00:19:43
right to become a member of NATO, then this00:19:46
is a victory. The Ukrainian armed forces00:19:49
can only00:19:50
provide a political solution to this00:19:52
story with their heroism, without a political solution to this00:19:55
story, the war will continue until the00:19:57
last Ukrainian as00:20:00
Vladimir Putin says this, he says that the West00:20:02
wants to wage war to the last Ukrainian,00:20:04
but he betrays his desire. This is the00:20:07
political goal of the President of the Russian00:20:10
Federation, Vladimir Putin, wants to wage00:20:13
war to the last Ukrainian when the00:20:15
Minister of Defense of the Russian00:20:17
Federation Serhiy Shoigu and the Chief of the00:20:19
General Staff come to him. The Armed Forces of the00:20:20
Russian Federation, General Valery00:20:22
Zheranets, we will say the president of Ukrainians,00:20:24
it ended00:20:28
beautifully. Our task is accomplished. There00:20:34
will never be any more of this horror in Russian life,00:20:37
and everything will be like this. This is what we need to00:20:40
stop. Vladimir Putin cannot be00:20:42
waged a war to the last Ukrainian, and the00:20:45
Russians cannot this goal has come00:20:48
true And here you are the question of correctly becoming a00:20:52
member of NATO, and now the question of how00:20:55
Well, what we heard today00:20:58
is one of the approaches that I don't00:21:03
like, you don't like it00:21:05
and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine doesn't00:21:06
like it, but it's important that in general00:21:09
the ideas about the accession of Ukraine to NATO they were sounding00:21:12
sounding00:21:13
in principle until a few months ago, I am00:21:16
not talking about the years, it was believed that Ukraine00:21:18
would forever be in the gray zone between the actions of the00:21:21
Russian Federation00:21:22
And that Ukraine would be politely told Yes00:21:25
but no now Western politics do not00:21:28
hide when they say We in 200800:21:30
clearly they said that Ukraine will never be a00:21:32
member of the radio, they just politely00:21:34
refused it, and Russia decided that we are ready to00:21:37
accept it. But Russia did not decide anything.00:21:39
Russia simply decided to take advantage of00:21:41
the situation while it still exists in order to conquer00:21:43
Ukraine. That's all that Russia decided, so00:21:46
in this situation00:21:48
and this we need to be absolutely clear,00:21:51
we just need to find for ourselves a00:21:54
clear option for obtaining a00:21:56
security guarantee and a staunch member,00:21:59
and this is a victory in relation to whether they give us00:22:02
weapons or not, I am not a military expert,00:22:04
what I read from the military expertise00:22:06
shows me what I was aware of even00:22:08
without what is the point of using00:22:11
Western military equipment00:22:14
at a time when00:22:17
our soldiers saw most of these complex mechanisms00:22:19
only in photographs?00:22:22
When it takes time to learn how to00:22:25
use it,00:22:27
so as not to use it just in00:22:30
maneuvers and training, but in battle, that is, at the00:22:33
level of instinct, because when you00:22:36
call complex machines the wrong button00:22:38
But that's the end of it, it's not a game.00:22:41
You understand, it's not a computer game, it's00:22:43
people's lives, and this applies to all the complex00:22:46
military equipment that we are given today,00:22:49
in principle, you remember well in the00:22:51
first months of the war we were provided with old00:22:54
Soviet equipment or Soviet-like00:22:57
military equipment that was not required of our00:23:00
military because unfortunately we had00:23:02
such an archaic army, it is not the00:23:04
fault of the military, it is our fault with you as a society00:23:06
that we had the Soviet army, it is factual00:23:09
even after 2014 that we are Soviet00:23:13
equipment they used theirs, they almost did not00:23:15
produce after the famous political events, they00:23:18
stopped spending money even on00:23:22
what they started to produce after the 14th year,00:23:24
because they hoped to reach an agreement with Putin,00:23:25
for reasons you can understand.00:23:27
And now we have real enterprises, the army00:23:32
as an enterprise. Imagine that this is an00:23:33
enterprise that knows how to work on00:23:35
specific machines, these00:23:38
machines were given to us by the military00:23:42
wherever they could find them, remember, they searched00:23:44
in Bulgaria, they searched everywhere, now00:23:47
this sensational article appeared in the00:23:51
New York Times, which just absolutely clearly00:23:54
explains that the person who saved us in the00:23:57
first months of the war was Serhiy Pashynsky,00:24:00
they fled because he stayed in the defense00:24:03
business, I don't know where we would be in principle,00:24:06
because people would still have died if it weren't for00:24:08
Serhii and people like him.00:24:16
concentrated in Russia, find00:24:18
enough throughout Europe to fight with Russia00:24:20
at some point. Soviet equipment simply00:24:22
ran out,00:24:25
and the factories that produced it simply00:24:27
cannot produce it anymore in such an00:24:29
analog quantity. The time has come for new00:24:32
equipment.00:24:34
New equipment requires completely different00:24:36
competencies. It requires different training,00:24:38
when I hear that our military is being trained on these00:24:40
complex00:24:42
mechanisms in a few weeks,00:24:46
I really hope that these are capable and00:24:49
talented people who in a few weeks00:24:51
will learn not just to control this00:24:53
Abrams or something else,00:24:55
but to actually use them in battle, as I will00:24:59
repeat, I am not a military expert I00:25:00
admit that some tanks are00:25:02
easier to control, similar to00:25:05
Soviet post-Soviet machines, which are00:25:06
more difficult. You just need to sit down and00:25:08
study the entire nomenclature, because all military00:25:10
equipment is not something you need to talk to me about.00:25:15
If we talk about such aircraft as the F-16, then00:25:19
this is really serious training well, I00:25:22
would really like to be able to sit down as a00:25:24
pilot behind a stormed plane00:25:27
and learn to fly, this is what happens in the00:25:29
wonderful Soviet film Mimino, when the00:25:33
hero of Vakhtang Kikabid flew on this00:25:35
corn plant. And a week later we already00:25:39
see him flying at the helm of a00:25:43
modern airliner somewhere in the United00:25:45
States of America or to Europe, but00:25:46
in real life it doesn't happen like that in real00:25:49
life Of course you understand how to fly a00:25:50
small plane, but you need time, can00:25:53
you imagine how many00:25:55
pilots study to get licenses to00:25:57
fly different planes in different00:25:59
situations, even civil00:26:02
aviation, even for specific routes00:26:05
pilots get separate licenses because there00:26:07
are some difficult airports even in00:26:10
Europe,00:26:11
where can they fly these specific00:26:14
pilots who have a license to land at00:26:16
this airport and these pilots are worth their weight in00:26:19
gold because otherwise you will not sit there00:26:22
plan a regular flight and now00:26:25
imagine a military plane00:26:26
that flies at a much higher speed, which is00:26:30
needed not only to fly, but also to00:26:32
shoot, and to fight with other planes00:26:34
that want to shoot it down00:26:37
or00:26:39
something else,00:26:41
as I am not talking about anything else, you need00:26:44
the coordination of the00:26:45
clans that will be equipped with this00:26:49
modern technology I don't understand why00:26:51
no one is talking about it, that's why it's not00:26:54
necessary for all of these to be00:26:58
properly coordinated with each other in a00:27:01
combined military battle, and at the same time, the00:27:05
people who are coordinating should still be able00:27:08
to manage various types of military equipment,00:27:10
someone stays on old00:27:14
equipment, someone stays on modern00:27:16
equipment and that's all it is necessary to harmonize,00:27:20
this does not mean that you can come to a meeting00:27:23
at the General Staff of the Armed Forces of00:27:24
Ukraine and simply draw up an action plan.00:27:27
Maybe someone does this. I don't know, but00:27:30
in fact it is quite a long time. I am not saying00:27:34
that this is a fantastic task. No, it is not a00:27:36
fantastic task,00:27:38
this task is difficult, but it takes00:27:41
time, is it possible to act differently, it is possible, the00:27:46
experience of the Soviet Union in World War II proved it, the00:27:50
Soviet commanders, all these marshals00:27:53
of Victory,00:27:55
starting from Georgy Zhukov and00:27:58
ending with a certain Serhiy Konivy, or00:28:05
we are waiting, I don’t want to just call them by00:28:06
their last names, there were also people who acted00:28:09
differently00:28:10
in the Soviet the generals were such00:28:13
people, they simply replaced this coordination of the00:28:17
branches of the army00:28:18
and all these complex decisions of00:28:21
cannon meat00:28:25
or won00:28:27
at the expense of the fact that the mobilization00:28:29
potential of the Soviet Union00:28:31
was many times higher00:28:33
than the tender potential of Hitler's Germany00:28:37
and Ukraine occupied by it. Moreover, it is00:28:40
important that Germany in at that time00:28:43
France was fighting on several fronts and the commander-in-chief of the00:28:47
armies that were fighting on other fronts and00:28:51
General00:28:53
and General Montgomery had an excellent00:28:56
opportunity to train and teach their00:28:58
soldiers to00:29:00
generalize this coordination of00:29:03
troops00:29:05
to rehearse the same landing in00:29:08
Normandy, etc.00:29:10
for the simple reasons00:29:13
that at that time Marshal Zhukov marshal horses at00:29:16
other Soviet marshals simply threw00:29:19
cannon fodder at the German,00:29:21
and that is why00:29:24
the number of dead Soviet soldiers is00:29:27
many times higher than the number of dead00:29:30
British or Americans. Because they00:29:33
had the luxury of00:29:34
summarizing all this, deciding00:29:37
to coordinate and so on,00:29:40
until the Soviet commanders spared00:29:43
their soldiers.00:29:45
you know that in one battle for Berlin00:29:48
we will be absolutely honest absolutely00:29:51
meaningless and unnecessary00:29:54
more than a million Soviet soldiers died in00:29:57
May00:29:59
194500:30:02
which movie I apologize for00:30:05
we cannot fight like this for two reasons the00:30:10
first reason is because we are not the Soviet00:30:12
Union00:30:14
and we have the value of human life00:30:16
much higher than that of the Soviet Union. We00:30:18
cannot afford to throw00:30:20
cannon fodder at the Russians. The second reason is much00:30:22
more prosaic and much less romantic, because00:30:24
we do not have the mobilization00:30:27
potential that the Soviet Union had. In00:30:29
this case, we rather act in the role of00:30:30
Germany and in the role of the Soviet Union The00:30:32
same Russia that was in00:30:34
this role simply used even00:30:36
more human resources, taking into account the fact that00:30:38
it was the core of the Soviet Union. do you00:30:52
remember he said that, so00:30:54
he means a simple thing that if it00:30:58
was necessary, another 2000:31:00
million Russians could be put. It doesn't00:31:01
matter the women's network, and that's why it00:31:04
was possible to win without Ukraine and without00:31:06
anyone, because the number of people that00:31:09
Russia is ready to put as one's advantage in00:31:12
the war, in principle, it00:31:13
[music]00:31:15
has no limitations00:31:20
and this must always be remembered,00:31:23
so the question is not how the allies give00:31:26
us equipment. The question is that they00:31:28
gave us what we crossed at some00:31:31
point. the old00:31:34
equipment, on which we could easily00:31:37
fight, our military is gone. And we are00:31:40
now fighting with equipment that you00:31:42
need to get used to and on which you00:31:46
need to be00:31:47
able to fight.00:31:49
This is an important thing, and when we say it, I am00:31:53
absolutely sure. I always said it, I00:31:55
can repeat it again. that I have00:32:00
repeatedly bought all the latest military equipment from the00:32:02
West because it is easier to give this military00:32:04
equipment to Ukraine than to be in an00:32:06
eternal geopolitical confrontation with00:32:08
Russia, that it is not as expensive as00:32:10
it seems, but at the same time00:32:13
I give myself an account of the fact that00:32:16
it is not the question is simply the00:32:19
escalation of relations with Russia, and that it should00:32:22
also be a question of professional mastery of00:32:24
this topic. It is possible that the military with whom you00:32:27
will talk may be more00:32:28
optimistic about the terms and pace,00:32:31
but it00:32:34
seems to me that in any case00:32:38
we already have enough they give00:32:40
such equipment. We will now receive00:32:44
long-range missiles,00:32:46
and when we say that we must receive00:32:48
missiles that will allow us to hit Russia,00:32:52
we must also remember that we will00:32:54
never receive such received missiles in00:32:56
our lives for one simple reason, not because00:32:59
too much is afraid of escalation from Russia, and00:33:02
because international agreements prohibit00:33:04
the supply of missiles with such a range that00:33:07
we need to reach Russia, the00:33:09
domestic state can produce such a00:33:12
missile, we can make a missile that00:33:14
will00:33:15
reach Russia. But if we buy a00:33:19
missile from any other country according to with the00:33:22
agreement on the limitation of missile weapons00:33:25
signed, it is possible to sell on the international00:33:28
market only a missile with a specific00:33:30
fixation of the flight range, I do not00:33:33
remember how much 150-250 km. This is necessary,00:33:35
again, you need to be a military expert,00:33:39
but while we are at such and00:33:42
such a distance from Russia on00:33:43
which we are, not a00:33:45
single missile that will be supplied to us to Russia,00:33:48
unfortunately, has not been completed. This is just a reality,00:33:51
but again, if we had taken care of it00:33:53
in advance, if we had our own00:33:58
missile technology, I will remind you that somewhere from00:34:01
2015-2016, the then Secretary of the Council of00:34:05
National Security and Defense of Ukraine00:34:06
Oleksandr Turchynov spoke about the00:34:08
need for us to have our own00:34:10
missile technology, I wrote about it then, I00:34:13
said that in principle there is only one recipe to00:34:17
get out of this situation, the recipe by00:34:20
which South Korea lives, it does not have00:34:22
nuclear weapons, it has food now the line of00:34:25
confrontation with a nuclear demi-state,00:34:27
conventionally speaking, in North Korea, a state00:34:29
that has nuclear weapons, and together with00:34:32
South Korea, we have a powerful missile00:34:36
force, so a drunkard can destroy Sum with the00:34:39
help of a nuclear bomb, but a sul can00:34:42
destroy Pyongyang with the help of missile00:34:44
weapons,00:34:46
no one before that I did not take regret00:34:48
seriously.00:34:50
I remind you that by 2022 we believed00:34:54
that we need to00:34:56
improve the well-being of our citizens00:35:00
and you cannot spend a lot on00:35:02
military infrastructure and on air defense systems and all00:35:06
this because how else can we00:35:10
build this well-being, these roads are00:35:12
solid and I want to ask what about the00:35:15
roads and what about the hospitals, not the most important00:35:18
thing. And what about the people who should travel on00:35:21
these roads and be treated in these hospitals.00:35:23
Many of them are already there where no one00:35:25
will be cured,00:35:27
and this must be understood by those who want peace00:35:31
to prepare for war even by sacrificing00:35:35
roads and hospitals. At a certain point, those00:35:38
who are in the war cannot00:35:41
create illusions that it will end by00:35:44
itself. That's all, by00:35:46
and large, all that remains is to00:35:49
regret these lost chances and00:35:51
hope that in the future we will00:35:54
approach our of security But00:35:57
now the situation is what we have. This is how it is00:36:00
and now of course we need to look for00:36:03
ways to obtain such security guarantees00:36:06
that would not allow the Russian Federation00:36:08
to hope that the Ukrainian state and the00:36:10
Ukrainian people will be destroyed in the 20s of the00:36:13
XXI century, this task00:36:15
may be repeated carried out by a Russian is a00:36:18
tool for its implementation, you should not00:36:21
think that they do not exist, they exist even without the00:36:24
use of nuclear weapons,00:36:26
there are tools for Ukraine to00:36:29
be in such a fringe all the time,00:36:32
there is no00:36:34
investment, there is no economy, we00:36:37
are already living00:36:39
in a00:36:40
destroyed economy by and large,00:36:43
we will be so honest00:36:45
We we live with western money and fight with00:36:48
western weapons, the00:36:51
taxes of Ukrainians go specifically to the00:36:54
military budget and decoration, and it’s great00:36:57
that we want to spend this money like that,00:37:00
but in any case,00:37:03
such a life cannot be eternal, as you00:37:05
understand,00:37:07
and such a life if we live for a second year00:37:09
third, we live on Western money, we fight with00:37:12
Western weapons, this reduces the number of00:37:15
people who hope for their00:37:16
future in such a country,00:37:19
this is the Livonianization of Ukraine,00:37:22
of course, some people always remain and00:37:26
have prospects:00:37:28
deputies,00:37:30
representatives of the executive branch, journalists,00:37:35
arms dealers,00:37:38
and there are categories of people00:37:43
who can live in such a country situation and00:37:46
even develop.00:37:49
And what about ordinary people,00:37:51
even if it’s just a matter of working,00:37:55
working at enterprises and firms in00:37:58
offices,00:37:59
plowing the land, what prospects do they have in the00:38:02
situation of00:38:03
decades of closed ports,00:38:06
lack of air traffic,00:38:10
and the railways are already overloaded, well,00:38:14
logically, they are overloaded with constant rocket00:38:16
fire,00:38:18
permanent mobilization, of00:38:21
course there will always be people are always ready to live00:38:24
in such a situation,00:38:26
but there will be fewer and fewer of them, and00:38:29
most importantly, there will be fewer and fewer people among them00:38:32
who will hope for00:38:34
some life prospects. That is, we00:38:36
will lose00:38:38
people who are capable of developing the country,00:38:42
and this is a huge problem, again00:38:45
what we want to create Putin, you know,00:38:51
in the years00:38:53
when France gave00:38:56
its French colonies to Great Britain in Canada, the00:39:00
French population remained there, and00:39:02
now there is the province of Quebec, although the00:39:04
English-speaking population was much00:39:06
larger throughout the territory of Canada, just00:39:08
so political and historical events00:39:10
developed that all the French population00:39:11
eventually concentrated,00:39:14
but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that on00:39:17
the ships all the educated people from Quebec00:39:19
sailed away, teachers,00:39:22
priests, officials. Well, there was nothing more to00:39:25
do in such and such00:39:27
an area. There were only simple people left00:39:29
who needed ten years to00:39:32
restore this level of educational civilization, you00:39:35
understand. it always happens in a00:39:37
crisis situation, we are not done to00:39:41
prevent such a situation for Ukraine, we00:39:43
need Ukrainians who can00:39:45
build, develop and change to want to00:39:49
do it here in Ukraine and not to think that there has00:39:53
been 5 or 6 years of war here,00:39:57
what I will do about it, of course, I cannot00:40:00
say well, the men will still00:40:02
remain, but the women will leave with their children,00:40:07
this is not a prospect for us, nor should we00:40:10
think about how to ensure the00:40:14
normal existence of at least most of the00:40:17
country's territory and how to00:40:19
force Russia to stop this war of00:40:22
attrition, I cannot give a00:40:25
clear recipe How to do it, I just00:40:27
think that it is necessary to think about it in this00:40:29
way in these categories of preservation of the00:40:31
nation, preservation of the states, restoration of the00:40:34
territory, but one by one00:40:37
I just want to ask00:40:41
one more question for everyone's understanding,00:40:42
yes, because here they even write and00:40:46
send that our main diplomats00:40:49
Yes, these are the armed forces of Ukraine, and it is possible that00:40:52
their successes are00:40:55
successes on the field, because they can change the00:40:57
demands, can the demands of Russia00:41:01
change, will the demands of Russia change from the successes of the00:41:04
armed forces of Ukraine?00:41:09
and it seems00:41:11
absolutely logical to me, and I also want00:41:13
everyone to hear whether Russia's demands will change,00:41:14
because we can change them in this way for these 1800:41:17
months, they did not change and became more00:41:20
rigid.00:41:30
Russia also demands this. It is absolutely necessary for Ukraine to00:41:33
remain a territory of failure, therefore00:41:36
Russia will not change its demands.00:41:38
However, I want to ask you another question. And00:41:41
why do people want negotiations with the00:41:43
Russian Federation at all? Why do they00:41:44
think that there will be negotiations with the00:41:46
Russian Federation?00:41:47
interesting demands of Russia. The00:41:50
Russian Federation will not00:41:53
negotiate with Ukraine on ending00:41:55
the war. There is no need for illusions for the Russian00:41:58
Federation of Ukraine. It is necessary to understand that00:42:00
it is simply separatists who split off00:42:03
part of the territory of Ukraine from historical00:42:06
Russia and who, with the help of the West, are00:42:09
getting this territory. The00:42:10
Russian Federation hoped that00:42:13
Russians live here who are waiting for Vladimir00:42:16
Putin and throw their hats in the air when it00:42:19
turns out that there are not many of such people here. It is all the00:42:22
worse for those people who want to00:42:24
keep an independent state here to the00:42:27
separatists. Russia always concedes,00:42:28
it simply expels and destroys them, and00:42:31
everyone must understand who he is for Russians, a00:42:35
separatist and a Nazi.00:42:38
this is just the beginning, you know that in the00:42:42
11th grade textbook of Medyna, I read that the00:42:46
Ukrainian Nazi is a new phenomenon when the00:42:48
minority of the population simply oppresses the00:42:50
majority because 80% of Ukrainians until the 14th00:42:54
year considered themselves Russians,00:42:55
used the Russian language with signs,00:42:57
wanted to talk about the Ukrainian language and about00:42:58
Ukrainian culture and that's how00:43:00
children will be taught now in Russian schools00:43:03
like this.00:43:05
I think it's not a question of00:43:08
negotiations with Russia. I'm00:43:10
not interested in the conditions that Russia imposes on us,00:43:13
because if we join00:43:15
NATO, they won't ask Russia about it,00:43:17
you understand. about them If you00:43:20
ask Russia if you want Ukraine to00:43:21
join the Government No,00:43:24
Russia will never agree to this in any negotiations,00:43:27
only if these negotiations00:43:30
are held in Moscow and behind Vladimir00:43:34
Putin will be soldiers of a foreign army00:43:36
with revolvers, and I am not sure I00:43:40
think that he will rather shoot himself before00:43:43
signing such an agreement, even at such a moment there00:43:45
will be no Putin, as Hitler00:43:48
committed suicide in a bunker00:43:50
in order not to sign00:43:52
the surrender of Germany, it’s just that Hitler00:43:54
didn’t have a nuclear bomb, the00:43:56
whole difference is that you do00:43:59
n’t have to think about Russia’s conditions, they00:44:02
will only tougher, the more00:44:05
Russia will lose, the00:44:07
tougher will be these idiotic political00:44:10
conditions, and we need to think about00:44:13
how to00:44:15
end military operations with our success00:44:20
and how to become members of NATO without00:44:22
asking Russia about it, Russia must be00:44:25
faced with the fait accompli of its00:44:28
attack on Ukrainian territory means a00:44:30
nuclear war, and with the subsequent exchange of00:44:33
nuclear strikes between the united states of the00:44:35
Russian Federation and the disappearance from the00:44:37
world map of Moscow and St. Petersburg, as well as00:44:39
Washington, New York,00:44:42
millions of people can become victims of00:44:44
such a war, tens of millions.00:44:47
I am sure that Russia will not be involved00:44:49
in such a war because Russia knows how to fight00:44:52
only those who are weaker than it.00:44:55
Russia is a00:44:58
hooligan from the backdoor of St. Petersburg, you00:45:01
see, it attacks only the weak. And00:45:03
when it sees that they can give up, it00:45:06
behaves completely differently, so it00:45:09
believes that it can, if not00:45:10
defeat us, and destroy,00:45:15
exterminate, and that's exactly what she does with00:45:18
impunity.00:45:20
And as soon as some00:45:22
drone appears in Moscow, there is an immediate00:45:24
scream of what it is. How is it so, why is it00:45:27
us? Here's the logic of Russia.00:45:30
So I don't think about the Russian language00:45:32
for a single minute, but they will decrease00:45:35
will it increase? I am interested in completely00:45:38
different things, the situation at the front,00:45:41
what it will be as a result, and the political00:45:45
decision of the civilized world, what it00:45:47
will be as a result depends. Just00:45:52
forget about the negotiations with the Russian00:45:54
Federation, there may be negotiations based on the00:45:57
principle of the grain agreement, the Russians00:45:59
will sign something with the Turks, what will they stop00:46:02
shelling and we will sign something with the Turks00:46:05
that we will stop the shelling such negotiations00:46:07
cannot take place without any00:46:10
capitulations compensations without any00:46:13
renunciation by us of some territory00:46:15
official without any renunciation by the Russians of00:46:19
that the results of their annexation attempts00:46:21
official it may be so00:46:24
I even think that it will be so00:46:27
but00:46:29
negotiations on which the Ukrainian president00:46:32
puts his signature under some00:46:35
conditions of Putin, I do not see this And not00:46:38
because the Ukrainian president will not even00:46:40
participate in such negotiations,00:46:41
but because the Russian president himself will not participate in such negotiations00:46:49
Congratulations Thank you thank you for the conversation add00:46:53
there is nothing00:46:54
Victory and membership in NATO for us And you00:46:57
always say Victory and the mayor for us00:47:02
Victory and membership in NATO and for us But I00:47:04
believe in the armed forces of Ukraine I believe in00:47:06
Ukraine I believe in every Ukrainian who00:47:09
remains in a Ukrainian who will return I00:47:12
believe in our future our successful00:47:15
future and I believe in the future because00:47:17
you know why I am so individually00:47:18
personalized I have already said once and00:47:20
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