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wow And what a beautiful thing I have in me00:00:36
hands the biggest crime ever Willem00:00:37
angel Jeroen pols and the hero's battle00:00:39
virus truth an epic the book is00:00:42
officially released today and they00:00:44
are live from here in the studio00:00:47
Amsterdam You can see it You can too00:00:49
I dare to ask questions to the heroes00:00:52
I think I say that myself, but that is also true00:00:54
on the book eh of the virus truth that00:00:58
actually means the opposition the00:01:00
first opposition I am much later00:01:02
eh, coming to that, I say in all eh00:01:06
honesty you did it00:01:09
opposition to Corona thanks to you00:01:12
because of you there is such a huge one00:01:14
opposition movement emerged in the Netherlands00:01:16
your book is from not only from00:01:17
I should say you from the club00:01:19
around you, because you are the00:01:21
frontman we could say But there00:01:23
there are many more people around it00:01:24
biggest crime ever the book is out We00:01:26
will also discuss it in detail00:01:27
here hub sap taler from Amsterdam books00:01:32
known for John's bestseller00:01:34
mfy but also from Bobby Kennedy you have00:01:36
translated for us and many people00:01:37
don't know that but you are too00:01:39
hispanic you are eh Connoisseur of it00:01:41
Spanish-speaking cultural area00:01:44
language area and therefore also of South America00:01:46
and that is exactly where Jeroen pols00:01:49
going with a number of people00:01:50
emigrate to Paraguay to be precise00:01:53
so that's what we're going to talk about00:01:55
a book is also coming out about Argentina00:01:57
We released Ralf in Oh00:01:59
that is collaboration with amst books00:02:02
was written by Hans Vogel and that00:02:03
is about Argentina, among other things00:02:05
actually also over the entire region00:02:07
We're going to talk about that in detail00:02:08
Of course we all do that with one00:02:10
glass of wine with all the news00:02:11
backgrounds all current affairs welcome00:02:14
at Forum00:02:16
Inside Well that's fantastic I must00:02:19
start with wine Yes you can start with00:02:21
where you want to start Look, I have this00:02:23
brought along a number of Wines Two times00:02:25
Dutch eh and I wanted this one00:02:28
starting that is the eh Saint Katarina Valley00:02:31
and that's actually in one00:02:33
walled eh monastery garden so a lot00:02:36
for the experts actually hm like00:02:38
claud de fot but slightly different eh with00:02:41
a s eh Kos anyway Klos c CL Oos eh That00:02:44
is a walled vineyard closerie kan00:02:47
you can also say in eh yes not Yes exactly00:02:49
a bit more, er, secondary French00:02:52
um this this this monastery it is 128000:02:57
I believe they are nonen00:02:58
It wasn't until much later that watching began00:03:00
wine but that's it's a mix of00:03:02
all kinds of eh the ocero And there is00:03:05
at least no chardonnet with that00:03:07
I thought it was important because that's where you are00:03:08
always a bit against Well yes yes yes00:03:11
yeah let's try what he uh what00:03:13
him for us00:03:16
you are one after all00:03:23
a little and I know that I prefer red00:03:27
drinks Oh yes he like that É Yes you are left00:03:31
become00:03:32
Ultra but now I have come back tonight00:03:35
Well, tonight I cooked with red00:03:37
wine and I had some left I thought and00:03:38
he was damn hot I thought well00:03:40
you know what, I'll take that for Huub00:03:41
mee h okay What is this uh this is a00:03:44
very nice burgundy, oh that's really one00:03:47
whole and for the viewers of Forum Inside00:03:49
uh We have uh message today00:03:52
received from a major wine distributor00:03:56
that means someone who00:03:58
can transport wine bottles to the00:04:01
households And that means that we00:04:03
almost almost almost to to to to to to to that00:04:05
you can drink with us that we00:04:07
that of course really nice collection00:04:08
Ralf can offer that people also with00:04:10
We also have wine glasses and then you can00:04:12
you yes uh every week uh support us and us00:04:16
keep it in the air and make it possible00:04:18
that we continue to do this here, this show00:04:21
because it is actually quite whole00:04:22
important news today00:04:25
that Rija Blommestein who is then has eh00:04:28
the watch has been turned on when unheard00:04:31
Netherlands because they are too polemical00:04:34
I think she has that which is Rija00:04:37
you are cordially invited here00:04:38
to come and tell her story at the table00:04:40
you wanted to say she deserves it00:04:41
kept to himself Yes, but okay k00:04:43
ultimatum and well that's not for me00:04:45
acceptable I want to be able to stay00:04:47
express it like I always do on social media00:04:50
I actually say yes00:04:51
moderate and, well, everything has been thought through since then00:04:54
is about Twitter so about x Yes it is00:04:56
about Instagram exactly her uh her00:04:59
social media accounts and uh I guess00:05:01
that she made the only choice that00:05:03
she could have made it Yes and I think so too00:05:06
a very strange one, yes very strange00:05:10
proposal by er from Arnold karskens de00:05:12
the chairman of er unheard er er00:05:16
I'm sure much more will be known about it00:05:17
just be00:05:18
um the optics are not good and I think00:05:21
that it is a very good lesson for00:05:23
everyone who is in the resistance stays00:05:26
staying true to your principles remains true to00:05:27
your values at the moment you more00:05:29
is busy defending the tent, yes then00:05:32
are you going to look like the person you are00:05:34
actually want to fight it because it is00:05:37
of course Very ironic that eh00:05:39
Helder is having an enormous struggle00:05:42
to be allowed to stay at the NPO00:05:45
that's either00:05:46
more and then they go their own00:05:49
censor employees in a way that00:05:51
makes you think eh like she through the eh00:05:54
became the Executive Board of the NPO00:05:56
harassed so this is yes your own00:05:59
bootle Le shooting I would say Yes Yes00:06:00
Do you think so? Yes, I look anyway00:06:02
what else do you think? Tell me now00:06:05
I think she got the role from that00:06:07
a kind of anchor from their news program00:06:10
and that news eh the Eva Jinek from00:06:12
unheard of Netherlands Well yes or or the00:06:14
How did those big names go again Eh00:06:16
in the American Sonja gave birth to Megan00:06:19
Kelly and um well anyway00:06:20
eh and then you're kind of yeah um00:06:24
more or less figure with a little more00:06:26
distance that makes all kinds of noises00:06:28
hearing that cannot be heard is fine00:06:30
but which itself is slightly less Prominent00:06:33
position I would say and I thought00:06:35
her post on social media Although I00:06:38
In many cases I agree with it00:06:39
I thought it was quite Prominent00:06:41
profiled and I also thought yes me00:06:44
I don't think it's very logical to do that00:06:46
I will combine it with such an Anchor ship00:06:48
but say hey, so I could do something00:06:49
proposals to the objections raised by the00:06:51
leadership of unprecedented Netherlands had and00:06:53
I don't know if they are there yet00:06:54
had often talked about whether this00:06:56
fall out of the blue sky00:06:57
of course but so I I'll get there00:06:59
something to suggest, I have to say yes00:07:01
it's funny you say that because uh00:07:04
we just got uh the reaction conclusion00:07:06
received an answer in our lawsuit00:07:08
against ING, who filed that appeal00:07:10
still running because we want our00:07:12
debank exactly We are G debank as one00:07:14
of the first is the bank account00:07:16
taken just for maybe you know00:07:18
not everyone, but briefly in two00:07:20
sentences just ING who wanted to get rid of us00:07:22
because we us is us is virus truth00:07:25
but also my private account also my00:07:27
business account e, that was what it was called back then00:07:29
virus what is it now called for00:07:30
truth but is still the same00:07:32
The Jaing Foundation has one there00:07:35
falsely told a story that I00:07:38
money would have used from the00:07:39
donors that turned out not to be true00:07:41
but in the meantime they have a judge00:07:43
got to the point where he said yes, but now it is00:07:45
the atmosphere is ruined and the trust is eh00:07:48
is gone so you can have the bank account00:07:51
cancellation must be understood to mean that a00:07:53
organization must always have access00:07:56
have a bank account so they00:07:57
they have to bank elsewhere00:07:59
in the meantime and we also had that in mind00:08:01
brought forward the lawsuit00:08:03
the nctv sent a memorandum to00:08:05
all banks and we have that00:08:06
coincidentally from the Rabobank of the00:08:08
employee intercepted who has it eh00:08:10
submitted as a Whistleblower in which the00:08:13
instructions state how to use conspiracy theorists00:08:15
Weert So this is an NCTV setup00:08:18
been and but the interesting thing because I00:08:21
linked to Rija's eh story00:08:24
the interesting thing is that ING in their00:08:26
response proclaims yes, but wait00:08:29
even virus truth still has no00:08:31
renounced Willem angel he is00:08:33
still chairman he exc still00:08:35
always on Twitter eh so we don't see any00:08:39
reason to restore that bank account00:08:41
and when you read that text and then that00:08:44
story there, eh, you can't see00:08:47
avoid the impression that this is the00:08:49
way is to keep people in line00:08:52
get and eh karskens has that00:08:54
maybe not that conceived, but the00:08:57
The effect is that he is like a kind00:09:00
eh eh yes to be a guardian of the NPO now00:09:04
restricts its own staff and that00:09:08
Seems like a development to me00:09:11
which is not desirable, well I think so00:09:14
so there is something else to say about it00:09:15
Anyway, I'm repeating myself00:09:18
that00:09:19
that if you fulfill such a role you have to00:09:22
I think you make a distinction between you00:09:25
personal presence on social00:09:26
media and your professional activity00:09:29
er, in this case the Netherlands00:09:32
and I don't think it's as crazy as you do00:09:34
again if you have such a yes00:09:37
you don't fulfill that kind of role00:09:39
goes to the very front00:09:41
activist Twitter behavior I yes eh00:09:44
because then you have Mo imagine that00:09:45
Jeroen and I had done that00:09:46
had expressed ourselves moderately because we00:09:49
the only Pel are from for truth or00:09:52
you as MPs say yes00:09:54
but we shouldn't say this because we00:09:56
are too many Can I say something about it00:09:58
yes Yes of course I'm thinking too eh00:10:01
I understand a little bit what Ralf is saying00:10:03
but then you can compare how things are going00:10:05
So it is with other single people00:10:08
The Netherlands now Eva Eva Jinek Eva Eva00:10:11
Jinek or eh eh what's the name of the one00:10:15
again that eh di is from the Brink van00:10:17
the Brink eh can have ours or ours00:10:20
the NPO also expresses itself because it expresses itself00:10:23
that of the Brink is very clear00:10:25
eh on x and how far does it go and if you00:10:29
then compare that with rijam then that is00:10:30
very different because it is unlike you would be there00:10:32
I would also be inclined to have more freedom00:10:34
to say, more freedom because they are00:10:37
of freedom and truth or applies00:10:39
it for all those little things of Yes indeed00:10:41
that's not your job so hold back. Yes00:10:44
but we are correct with this one00:10:46
we are precisely in this regard00:10:47
crisis has arrived. Let's just00:10:49
going back to basics and just each other00:10:51
giving you the freedom to express your opinion00:10:54
and my opinion doesn't have to be yours00:10:56
and also if your organization is like on eh00:10:59
That opinion of R blommestein is not necessary00:11:01
not the opinion of us to be and not to be00:11:03
saying that is her private opinion00:11:05
but precisely that we measure up to each other00:11:07
the opinions and what is permissible00:11:09
what is not permissible that is true00:11:11
we have now ended up in where00:11:14
that is the cause of all problems00:11:16
actually so I'm in favor of it again00:11:18
just go back to total00:11:20
freedom of speech and uh the00:11:22
the only limit to it is one00:11:24
criminal law eh and there can be one00:11:26
criminal law and the rest00:11:28
do we have to00:11:29
Respecting everyone's opinion, that's eh00:11:32
and even there you can nowadays00:11:33
comments on places because there are00:11:36
people who are convicted of00:11:38
n false tweets and there are people who00:11:41
can say anything I I call a a00:11:44
Sydney Smates who uh everyone likes00:11:46
offend and it never will be00:11:48
tackled because he has friends00:11:51
at the Public Prosecution Service, so even that00:11:54
criminal limit would be00:11:55
must be objectively verifiable, yes00:11:57
you gotta some you gotta get out of it00:11:59
pass criminal law Eh Anyway the time00:12:03
at the present time there is no standard h00:12:05
because that's what I actually think is Clear00:12:07
and present Danger is the only benchmark00:12:11
I even find calls for violence In00:12:14
I don't think so in general terms at all00:12:17
constitute a criminal offense, I think00:12:19
only if you if you if you 20 guests00:12:22
with sticks that are ready and there00:12:25
there is a defenseless victim and you00:12:26
says and attack now, that's what I think00:12:29
punishable but if you are in general00:12:32
sentence says something about what I think I think00:12:35
that not at all necessarily because that that00:12:38
is now also said about, for example, the00:12:39
Second World War then they say yes00:12:41
it was good that there were people in the resistance00:12:44
were in the gangs when they were00:12:47
so he committed violence who committed00:12:48
criminal offences, why is that allowed?00:12:51
and something else is not allowed, I think that's great00:12:53
strange I very conard put Yes I I think00:12:57
I just think you don't care about anyone else00:12:59
can do something about it I'm a eh00:13:01
Actually, in A Way I am a passive Yes00:13:04
hey so I'm I'm a a very very00:13:06
for simply The Free word the free00:13:09
discussion Yes and I think it is yes If00:13:13
someone I I that you in a book or something00:13:16
a novel or in a a story or as00:13:18
someone says now Now it has to be done now00:13:21
It's time to kick the capitalists out00:13:23
to move their houses and eh, I don't know much00:13:26
what big capital to tackle That00:13:29
I have read texts like that before00:13:30
all kinds of books of activist literature00:13:32
which I read in the political science department00:13:35
from the University of Amsterdam00:13:37
just there and I actually find it00:13:39
well although I don't agree with with the00:13:40
I actually agree with the message00:13:42
It's good that that could just be written down00:13:44
because at least you can do that00:13:46
disagree and everything you can't do00:13:48
expressing that goes underground so I am00:13:50
a fundamentalist when it comes to00:13:52
freedom of expression because then you can00:13:53
at least fight and and and and I00:13:56
I believe very much in the truth00:13:59
very sorry that we are all like us00:14:02
can express things to the truth00:14:03
can come, so in that sense it is me00:14:05
I agree with you, Jeroen, and I think so00:14:07
You actually say it too Willem Ik00:14:10
I'm very sorry that that00:14:11
freedom of expression not on that one00:14:13
way00:14:15
Cherished I would have it a little differently00:14:17
If I find it then I'll go anyway00:14:19
coming towards you Ralf is unheard of00:14:22
would say Eh, we want Risa as a regular00:14:26
sidekick for example very00:14:29
operationalized00:14:58
otherwise look unheard news is not eh00:15:01
Riza blommenstein and Co. No, that is00:15:03
unheard of news and riz is just a00:15:06
presenter there You are the00:15:08
leaders of those verily that is one00:15:10
It's a completely different story that you are there00:15:11
take a position Is that really true00:15:13
of course we are the founders00:15:15
but uh that book wasn't written by00:15:17
us but by all the people who00:15:19
key positions in our organization he J00:15:22
are not the board as he has ge00:15:24
not even an official position before00:15:27
truth eh so well official Yes00:15:32
but the board consists of three00:15:33
people then we still have the advice00:15:35
supervision that would all put me in eh00:15:39
Well, if you're referring to me00:15:40
I am the leader of Forum for00:15:42
democracy exactly I present a00:15:44
program here what eh a very00:15:47
biased program is what is not00:15:50
pretends to be something other than00:15:51
what we with forum are for00:15:53
I like democracy. Ralf and I call00:15:55
one twice a week and Dan make it up00:15:57
we have a nice program and we think so00:15:59
nice and that's what it is but suppose that00:16:02
so you have something that is larger than the00:16:06
presenter what what something other than00:16:07
the presenter and that presenter who00:16:10
will then become very politically involved00:16:13
I understand, so I do00:16:15
I'm doubled over on one side00:16:18
I am very much in favor of the freedom of expression00:16:20
and I I hope that's not the case00:16:21
unheard of now it's going to cut in, I know that00:16:24
I don't know if that's the case. I totally have it00:16:26
no one had contact about it I'm alone00:16:27
R Sent a text because I ha Als00:16:29
person just support so but I know00:16:31
no further information about what happened00:16:33
um as unheard of the Netherlands eh the00:16:38
broadcaster wants to be that they have so far00:16:42
to show that they want to be00:16:44
a broadcaster that simply ignores all taboos00:16:46
eh want to break down fear and just everywhere00:16:50
eh yes, tiles want to lie there if possible00:16:54
there is some kind of editorial choice to00:16:57
to have interviewers with a more neutral attitude00:16:59
profile, that is necessary in itself and then00:17:01
If you can row, you can do fantastic00:17:02
have documentaries made and a column00:17:05
and I think she's a very good one00:17:07
journalist opinion maker Fantastic but00:17:10
I think it's me I don't want my friend00:17:12
er Arnold karskens or other people who00:17:15
For example, I know how to lose weight there00:17:17
it can also be an editorial choice00:17:19
are that you say we might want to00:17:21
Do they have extra programs?00:17:23
we don't know all that00:17:24
There is politics in this, I notice. No, but00:17:27
now have late action from that00:17:30
State Secretary that Turkish that that there00:17:33
Unpleasant00:17:34
Corendon's last act was such00:17:36
bit was not to eh unheard of00:17:39
ban what I think is good, of course00:17:41
Clear act but that means that00:17:43
unheard of may now remain in the order00:17:45
that means they have a claim00:17:46
make better time slots on more00:17:49
programs they have quite a lot00:17:50
members so they will get it again00:17:52
subsidies for and things Yes, I don't know00:17:55
how it happened but if it happened this way00:17:56
is that Arnold? I really don't know00:17:58
but but if Arnold said dude00:17:59
you know, Rija, you are fantastic00:18:01
human but you are actually more of a00:18:02
opinion maker than an interviewer Why00:18:05
Aren't you going to make three beautiful trips?00:18:08
documentary about the history of00:18:10
The Netherlands about this about that we want you00:18:12
happy to offer that you are great if00:18:14
columnist but as an interviewer we want00:18:16
more like Ralf Dekker00:18:18
having a figure is very boring but no but00:18:21
son No, just to be a little older00:18:23
someone calm down a bit, but that's not how it is00:18:25
went on a date Yes, I spoke to Rij00:18:28
um and of course Oh you have rows00:18:29
spoken I also spoke to rizen oh00:18:31
I don't, because no00:18:32
um I think the tweet they did about that00:18:36
has eh expressed that that eh is very00:18:39
accurately describes what is going on00:18:40
was and I also have the statement of00:18:43
Read Arnold Karskens and what is on the00:18:45
website State of unheard of And I have that00:18:47
I haven't seen it yet, yes, eh, I would00:18:50
also say to the viewers eh read it And00:18:53
check it out and form your own opinion because00:18:54
I think that's actually the goal, right?00:18:57
What is that freedom for?00:18:58
expression Well that everyone has knowledge to00:19:01
What was on the unheard website00:19:03
then um what that they had to remain faithful00:19:06
to their um um journalistic value and00:19:09
that they regretted that it was so00:19:11
walked and that's exactly what summer is like00:19:13
that's such a summing explanation if you have one00:19:16
If you have a good story, then put one there00:19:17
good story so sorry everyone00:19:20
makes mistakes sometimes But I see this00:19:21
For now as a clear Miss Me00:19:23
also found I also found the statement of00:19:24
I also thought KSK was a bit thin, but I did00:19:27
So I could understand it well, but then00:19:29
er, but from the point of view that I Z00:19:31
but is it very for example like a00:19:32
news reader that is not That is00:19:34
one step further, eh?00:19:36
news reader or reader er very00:19:39
clear opinion that eh proclaims00:19:43
on on social media so really eh eh00:19:46
controversial or a weatherman or a or00:19:48
a weatherman Yes I know one, there is still one00:19:52
me a friend gerit Hiemstra yese Yes yes00:19:54
I actually don't think so, eh?00:19:58
so I understand quite well on the other side00:20:00
Yes, of course it's double, isn't it, because eh00:20:04
if everyone is allowed then it is also allowed00:20:06
indicates Yes, but it also indicates color00:20:08
an interview, yes, it can also be fun. Yes00:20:10
but I still think so00:20:12
difficult to We have been for a while now00:20:13
busy about this akiet and of course it00:20:16
greater point of freedom from00:20:18
expression of how important it is and00:20:19
where the boundaries lie, but according to00:20:22
I think that's actually a bit off00:20:25
the point of where are we now why00:20:28
We make this so difficult because we...00:20:31
live in occupied territory We must00:20:33
apparently pay attention to our words because00:20:35
otherwise you will be arrested and put in the00:20:36
thrown in jail and that is not00:20:38
imaginary jeren is a few weeks00:20:40
acquitted ago but there it said VI00:20:43
years on TR Yes thank you that's very mine00:20:46
appeal is still pending, but also the Den00:20:48
Hague case they continue with that00:20:49
They dropped the Hilversum case00:20:52
But it is not imaginary that you00:20:55
soon for a wrong out directly00:20:58
the prison and goes well Let's00:21:00
let's take a look at David egg on base00:21:02
from which he is banned from the Netherlands h00:21:04
is stochastic terrorism he would00:21:07
can inspire people to violence00:21:10
means if you continue that as I do00:21:12
for example, say that that politician that00:21:14
is corrupt and eh, I don't know what else00:21:16
Would that already be the case or that one with00:21:18
for example, the allowances affair00:21:20
who have who has uh families ofm00:21:22
if you name that you can people00:21:24
It could inspire people, right?00:21:26
thinking of Oh that is00:21:29
h unconsciously calling people to action00:21:33
but if you're going to put that there00:21:34
you can no longer criticize00:21:36
you can't really do anything anymore because00:21:38
then you're in a kind of yeah, um, what00:21:41
inspires violence um and we have00:21:44
it is oal regularly caught apart from all00:21:47
crimes they commit but on it00:21:49
trying to shift the boundary um00:21:53
certainly the What is that wiemer wiener called00:21:55
So Veldhuis is the brother of de Lands00:21:58
lawyer who deals with all terrorism00:21:59
does business, um, that's what he's talking about00:22:02
it the brother wait a minute because it00:22:03
goes very quickly but brother of but the00:22:06
younger brother so let's not let in for a moment00:22:08
speaking small words is what matters00:22:09
adult people, right? Yes, so the younger ones00:22:12
brother that is No but above 18 the00:22:15
younger brother of the country's lawyer00:22:19
wait a minute no one not everyone knows00:22:20
what a state attorney is, so that is to say00:22:22
the lawyer representing the state00:22:23
represents if there is Yes that is a00:22:25
office huh so that's it it it k00:22:29
Pels rows and within that office Yes is00:22:32
there is one person who is the partner00:22:35
actually within that technically00:22:36
inside that office and that is the One who00:22:39
all those state affairs under his wings00:22:42
has all employees00:22:43
of course and we call that the00:22:45
State Attorney is correct and that is so00:22:48
mister field Veldhuis Veldhuis and what is00:22:51
his first name also rhymes Yes and00:22:53
his brother is wiemer and die is die00:22:57
works at the Public Prosecution Service00:22:59
but you're now saying no no no no00:23:01
no no wait a minute this is mine00:23:03
table you will go over that very quickly00:23:07
but a lot of people realize00:23:09
not how at least Remarkable that00:23:12
is so we're dealing with uh yeah in00:23:16
in the Constitution in all possible ways00:23:17
of course just individual rights and00:23:20
duties, we think that's good too, don't we?00:23:21
we are in favor of that00:23:24
at the same time it is remarkably whole00:23:26
It is remarkable that it is eh that the person00:23:29
which therefore represents the Dutch state00:23:31
unlimited tax money, right? That's possible00:23:33
millions to d h makes all00:23:36
no matter how much that that that invoice00:23:38
is he the state attorney where we are talking about it?00:23:40
so Mr. Veldhuis 100:23:44
yes brother Veldhuis 1 those invoices those those00:23:47
writes that are unlimited that become00:23:49
just paid and that's his brother00:23:52
his younger brother Veldhuis 2 who is the00:23:57
on savings so is public prosecutor D00:24:01
Okay, not the word, but the how00:24:03
are you saying that the eh so that that that eh00:24:07
sues people to the prosecutor the00:24:09
prosecutor Yes, the one who complains, people00:24:11
on behalf of the state, yes for all kinds00:24:15
matters specifically in the field of00:24:18
terrorism Yes, but that and terrorism00:24:20
is then stretched again of course to00:24:22
things like what you are dealing with00:24:24
so I peel it off completely and00:24:26
then you have to talk again, but I will00:24:27
just for the sake of clarity00:24:28
make for people because I think00:24:30
you just I think you very00:24:31
are often right I also like this book00:24:32
really fantastic people really need this00:24:34
order the biggest mass date ever this00:24:36
story of yours is incredible We00:24:38
have been friends for a long time I hope so00:24:40
I can call my friend I think so00:24:41
really fantastic what you do but me00:24:44
I just think that you are often too fast00:24:45
go So you guys are I'm making it real00:24:48
Sorry, but you are a club00:24:50
which include via legal00:24:53
procedures are in conflict, that is00:24:55
say that you are the country's attorney00:24:58
challenge Sometimes it's the Lands who challenge the00:25:00
Dutch state00:25:02
defends so that's brother one Yes and then00:25:05
brother 2 attacks through the flanks00:25:09
including you KL I had it once00:25:11
had for me yes in The Hague Z Yes00:25:13
but that's it. That's it. I have that00:25:16
never in anything before in an in00:25:18
a newspaper or a journalist00:25:19
least says that is remarkable yes and still00:25:22
apart from that we that we that we there00:25:23
certain but those guys who are sitting00:25:26
At Christmas they sit next to each other00:25:29
to the turkey knows it would on principle00:25:31
separate role that is actually him and me00:25:34
I am very much in favor of individual rights and00:25:36
this and that, but actually that's not possible00:25:38
in a family just like you say in00:25:40
one in my wives or or or or or00:25:42
children of Or you have to do certain things00:25:45
That's right, now you say yes00:25:48
all I can say is yes, that's natk00:25:50
very lame but no but it does it00:25:52
I was just thinking about which one00:25:54
country I was thinking which country Eh you00:25:56
the public prosecutor can00:25:58
what kind of countries do people find or it00:26:00
general that this kind of thing is possible00:26:02
happen yes south america where he00:26:04
goes to yes in in there there is the00:26:08
corruption democratic here you have to00:26:10
first belong to the Big club in It Well yes00:26:14
maybe I'm exaggerating but there it is00:26:15
just eh take away eh Argentina under the00:26:19
generals or, er, Brazil, you name them00:26:22
but maybe all in Suriname too00:26:24
yes, but in short, eh, but D is a piece00:26:28
because you know where you stand but00:26:29
we here in Ned price is to00:26:31
change here in the Netherlands00:26:32
an art made of putting on a facade00:26:34
to draw from stateliness and from00:26:37
correctness and impeccability00:26:39
but in the meantime if you are under for a moment00:26:41
the varnish scratches, yes then the [ __ ] runs00:26:43
it turns out like this, no, but then you come00:26:45
so on the We have set it up in such a way that00:26:48
we formally separate all kinds of functions00:26:50
have it on paper at least eh and00:26:52
everyone er every government agency00:26:54
Hey, slightly different powers. Because00:26:56
that is also part of their ta and fine eh and00:26:58
what's going on especially on your side00:27:01
comes forward Is that the guy00:27:03
sit together and as one group00:27:05
saying Do you know those powers?00:27:07
you what then we will use it for00:27:08
my problem and then everything goes00:27:10
walking together This is the Riek00:27:12
right now I am describing the core of the cake00:27:14
and do you know where it all started?00:27:16
Smack it Smack that word can't e it00:27:18
Regional information and expertise00:27:20
center we have by I believe We00:27:22
have 12 and 13 throughout the Netherlands00:27:25
That's where all the government is00:27:27
organizations sit together and even the00:27:30
the judiciary is at the table00:27:32
We happened to have it above water00:27:33
received by a clumsy tweet from00:27:35
a political man who was involved in00:27:37
the approach of Fort Orange who tweeted00:27:39
very cheerful to the meeting just one00:27:42
nice meeting at the judiciary00:27:44
organized by the judiciary00:27:46
that we thought Hey So there's the00:27:48
tax authorities, the municipality, the GGD00:27:51
about the judiciary itself and discussing it00:27:54
These are all matters that sometimes result in lawsuits00:27:55
could be absolutely absolutely00:27:57
in conflict with eh several articles of00:28:00
and that is very sensitive, isn't it? That's in00:28:01
the fact is that then the detour lies00:28:04
pouvoir on the lurking, so that you00:28:07
that for the viewers Well that you abuse00:28:09
makes use of your powers and00:28:11
for example, has a fire brigade00:28:12
certain powers That can your house00:28:14
enter if there is an acute danger00:28:16
is for fire or something like that isn't it the the00:28:18
fire safety is therefore very important00:28:20
by virtue of this the fire brigade has00:28:22
all kinds of powers that go very far00:28:24
well the tax authorities have another one00:28:25
powers, but he is not allowed to do anything00:28:26
the fire brigade is allowed Yes, but if we go00:28:29
work together Then the fire brigade can say00:28:30
You know what if I go in anyway?00:28:32
step because I can check if00:28:33
Those fire detectors are correct then I can00:28:34
let's see right away or you know. And then00:28:36
then you mix those things up00:28:38
get and then eh becomes all those00:28:41
separate government activities become one00:28:43
concentrated force that is actually00:28:45
happened over the past 1000:28:48
years more and more as a result of what we00:28:50
then call it a party cartel and what the boys do00:28:53
call the Coup D a kind of pasta00:28:56
those government bodies that are together00:28:59
woven and they actually have a Yes00:29:01
very undemocratic government becomes one00:29:03
advertised by one government00:29:06
One government is really great00:29:07
practically several governments We want00:29:09
trie as a politician It sounds great00:29:11
Logical, very efficient, they call it00:29:13
yes very or very at first glance00:29:15
Now you say, all of those are very useful00:29:16
things together but second00:29:17
face you say Wait a minute that that00:29:19
powers are very precise form00:29:21
given if you mix them together00:29:23
mix and you make a little more00:29:25
a club of but is that something?00:29:27
we see in the United States that the00:29:29
judiciary the Democratic00:29:31
Party helps by appointing Donald Trump00:29:33
complaining and yes it goes much further Da00:29:36
huh We now have uh the the the the state of00:29:38
martial law declared in Texas Yes00:29:41
because the uh Supreme KT so the high00:29:45
Court there said No Texas00:29:48
may not take any measures at the border00:29:50
to close, so the federal government00:29:52
he now literally has a cow00:29:54
committed in Tex say of H you00:29:56
are no longer allowed to decide about about00:29:57
your own national borders and and that leaves00:30:00
see the the actually uh the Weapon istion00:30:03
of the judiciary, right? There are just sitting there00:30:06
enough people to pray are are00:30:08
overlords eh and that migration00:30:11
issue that is rammed down the throat00:30:14
even if a governor says no, do it00:30:16
we don't No but but he he refuses00:30:19
refuses to carry out what the Supreme00:30:21
Court says yes and now there are people against it00:30:24
republican states that came to his aid00:30:25
shooting yes and and those troops are even00:30:28
on the road, but there too we have to be in one piece00:30:31
Pay close attention to make sure it's not another show00:30:34
is because I already saw videos and then you drive00:30:37
500 with that heavily armed one00:30:39
border crossing and then you can just go there00:30:41
so no one can stand through it all00:30:43
politics, er, reality, but it00:30:46
it's remarkable because you mentioned00:30:48
Donald Trump for sure, but it's a lot00:30:51
bigger than that, er, the secret services00:30:54
and uh Kennedy talks about that a lot00:30:56
uh Bob00:30:58
the independent president um about the00:31:02
the secret services that the lakers00:31:05
hand out those who have been infiltrated00:31:07
in Twitter in Facebook er in others00:31:11
services and they actually determine what happens00:31:13
happens and also who is president00:31:16
that might be a hook as well00:31:19
your book and the main reason for you00:31:21
to invite We have a lot to00:31:23
discuss because there the story is like that00:31:26
long and h00:31:28
zelig and I am honored that you are here00:31:31
want to be the first to tell this story00:31:33
tell At least I think it is00:31:35
the first time that you are here as a duo00:31:36
with this book beat the biggest crime00:31:38
ever um How are you guys00:31:41
uh came together in first00:31:44
instance how tall are you already00:31:45
friend not at first sight jae00:31:47
but for a long time, you know00:31:49
each other actually from that time00:31:50
your father was already fighting against00:31:53
the government Maybe you can00:31:54
briefly tell the history00:31:56
then we then go Fast Forward to00:31:58
2020 and we will all come again00:31:59
back to the secret services and everything00:32:01
what with covid of course coming to light00:32:03
came so it's not a change from00:32:04
topic but it's just the Yes what what00:32:07
extra interpretation Well I was done with Willem00:32:09
very little contact. I do have him00:32:11
meet uh at the office uh And00:32:13
Are you actually the same age?00:32:15
no no no I'm a lot older how00:32:16
you are old Jeroen 10 years old I am turning 5600:32:19
this year and you're 45 or something like 45. Yes, yes00:32:24
but his father was then on the00:32:26
Keileweg in Rotterdam in a cold eh00:32:29
chaotic office and there I am him eh00:32:31
when Bel once met J was a father00:32:33
real estate man, developer, eh, all kinds of things00:32:36
various pieces of land a bit of a00:32:39
Freebooter absolutely a Rebel against the00:32:42
Rotterdam municipality and uh that carried out00:32:44
there had been a struggle for years and that was it00:32:46
actually the entrance of Jeroen who thought00:32:48
h You're doing a nice job there, I think00:32:51
I can help with that. Yes, he was eh00:32:53
He told me He was And you were00:32:54
lawyer No I was a lawyer I just was00:32:57
graduated when 2003 we have it00:32:59
about D is a long time ago and he00:33:01
he said he gave three eh 300,00000:33:03
he lost his lawyer every year or so00:33:05
costs and he was looking for someone who um like00:33:08
permanent person could go about his business00:33:10
and uh I still had to fresh I came fresh from00:33:12
my studies vag to the editor guys00:33:14
Can I have some more water? I'm already two00:33:15
I have had a cold for weeks. I drink. I have a FL00:33:18
PR I think I have 3 liters of water00:33:21
at least a day now just drink00:33:24
eh, it's very easy to rinse, isn't it? Yes00:33:27
that's good Okay keep going Yes you were 200300:33:29
you had just graduated as a lawyer. He was a00:33:31
lose a few tons a year and you said that00:33:33
can be cheaper, by the way, the first one00:33:35
lawyer I have ever encountered who00:33:37
that they usually they say so yes I I00:33:41
I got there um I got really into the deep end00:33:44
thrown and I have the box there eh00:33:46
learning as we go and working as we go00:33:50
for Willem's father, exactly yes00:33:52
and with his brother eh that's my eh00:33:54
also became a business partner and work there00:33:56
I have been with it for at least 14 years now00:33:58
together, so we do exporting00:34:00
property00:34:01
um, so I had with Willem actually00:34:04
never contact I ever came across00:34:06
but but Willem was also a bit00:34:08
yes, an elder whistler00:34:10
absolutely was working on one with one00:34:12
dissertation on virus eh eh no not00:34:16
about virus about uh aerosols aerosols00:34:20
but in the00:34:21
biomedical angle but also in addition00:34:24
a bit of eh dancing and stuff hm hm00:34:27
and then it became 2000 teacher, yes then00:34:31
it became 2018 then it became 2019 What00:34:34
happened in those two years 201900:34:38
November November 12 that's actually Eh00:34:41
perhaps the most important date of00:34:43
uh this book Yes, they agreed on November 12th00:34:46
us with four locations at the same time00:34:48
another in the Netherlands, eh Willem was00:34:50
of course us that is your brother in00:34:52
basically yourself and the father to some extent00:34:55
from Willem eh No, that was not eh read00:34:58
fallen No, that was already this before00:35:00
No, that yes, it had been difficult for a long time00:35:02
cases, but the raid really went that way00:35:04
was aimed at Jeroen and Jan for his00:35:07
checkmate to take everything away00:35:09
and for the files regarding Fort Orange00:35:12
to take away What is Fort Orange Do you have00:35:13
not yet G Fort orange that is the campsite00:35:15
from my father00:35:17
eh Unfortunately the campsite and my father00:35:19
both died just that piece00:35:21
ground that is not yet complete00:35:24
expropriated by the government, there they are00:35:27
still working on it and they have that00:35:29
tried to take over by as many as 2000:35:32
various crimes and one of those00:35:34
crimes, Germany was one00:35:37
send legal assistance request, that's where I went00:35:39
also ask you about this during the00:35:40
Science Summit Ronald Plasterk each00:35:43
that is the case under his department00:35:44
happened eh or Germany their not one00:35:47
could make a cup smaller Then has00:35:49
Germany again requests legal assistance00:35:50
sent to the Netherlands and so are they00:35:52
that we say real estate exploitation00:35:54
department Yes, we became annoying because00:35:57
that Fort Orange we have been there for years00:35:59
working on procedures to collect all evidence00:36:01
to get table it's a cesspool like00:36:03
you open it I have the I have it00:36:05
all written down and recorded00:36:07
er in 230 pages with all the evidence00:36:10
But that cesspool continues to grow00:36:12
bigger everywhere you go every tile you00:36:14
lifted there was a new cesspool00:36:16
under and they found that annoying00:36:18
for cesspools we have then we have00:36:19
the threek thing we were just talking about00:36:21
the the the crimes that they commit the00:36:24
fraud corruption It's one thing00:36:27
but what did they have against you?00:36:28
because in in in November 2019 nothing Why00:36:31
did they want you then Why did they fall00:36:33
then inside Well they wanted first of all eh00:36:35
I found the litigation unpleasant00:36:37
are therefore considered one of the Goals00:36:39
was that all our court files are00:36:41
I picked it up in Germany and I have it00:36:42
I haven't had it back for four years either00:36:44
The Netherlands and all in the Netherlands00:36:46
really all processes Why wanted00:36:48
they like Fort Orange so much00:36:49
Oh that that now that is a prestige00:36:51
object now but if they have it00:36:54
obtain then they immediately change the00:36:56
destination and that is now with secret00:36:58
pieces came out and then00:36:59
it's worth almost 10 times more So it00:37:01
The whole idea was land, [ __ ], so where is it?00:37:04
that for the Dutch team at Rotterdam in the00:37:05
neighborhood between Breda and Zundert and00:37:07
coincidentally that two weeks ago or00:37:09
last week an uh came00:37:13
changeling00:37:16
be built Which areas are now00:37:19
best suited for construction00:37:21
the fort orag was number one00:37:24
he takes it out from the top there says that00:37:26
is politically too sensitive, but there are already00:37:28
far-reaching construction plans for that00:37:31
terrain that is still ours, right?00:37:33
But they have already made construction plans00:37:35
us You are just a lawyer, yes00:37:37
eh now eh we are compion eh00:37:39
in that so eh I I'm already working completely00:37:42
nothing woman but I know I know the00:37:44
change the background destination of the00:37:46
zoning because they just make money there00:37:48
can get it out so want to get it first00:37:50
rob Yes by demolishing it00:37:54
deprive uh ghost uh uh invoices too00:37:57
send and he has it all eh00:37:59
proven, right? It's about an erm one00:38:02
claim of 5 million from eh invoices00:38:06
that do not exist or are unlawful00:38:08
way have come about and then it is00:38:11
the idea Oh you need 5 million00:38:13
give just give the land and if they00:38:15
if they have land, they sell it again00:38:16
for 30 million to the Project No But00:38:18
good thing that the whole Fort Orange story is00:38:20
you really need to know more about that00:38:22
tell me that that is not the case now00:38:24
I think it's really an issue, I think because00:38:26
Willem was essentially not there at all00:38:28
involved until that date00:38:31
what happened my niece was alone00:38:33
At home I think she was still eight or so00:38:35
nine and I get a call uh from a uh00:38:39
family friend you need now00:38:41
go to that location I'll get there00:38:43
there are about 20 people standing there with the00:38:45
mitri heur they were already inside and00:38:48
I saw my uh niece uh all uh00:38:51
collapsed catatonic on the couch00:38:52
crawled Like What what is going on here00:38:54
hand What are you doing came00:38:57
there uh Mrs Judge Buizer me00:39:00
tell that it really is all by the00:39:02
book and that they had a search warrant00:39:03
and that it had nothing to do with anything00:39:05
had with Fort orange and um yes that one00:39:08
bangers no yes I had to00:39:10
later inquiring the house was over hope00:39:13
everything was taken a month00:39:15
Later I'll email eh with this judge who is00:39:19
taken off the case and then we have it00:39:21
about December 2020 so then there were00:39:23
me eh already the all the tick on eh alarm00:39:27
from Hey I was the elder whistler I00:39:30
didn't bother me with the fight against00:39:32
the government But now it was like this in your00:39:35
face and everything You're already in it again00:39:38
December 2020 er sorry 2019 December 1900:39:42
2019, a month after the raid, say00:39:44
yes, but so for a moment We have a We spoke00:39:46
have a family the family angel hm00:39:48
hm with a piece of land a little bit cross00:39:51
family with E caravan Kampen on it and00:39:54
this and that well eh Yes everything is allowed yes and00:39:58
um that that at some point00:40:00
all kinds of legal issues arise there00:40:02
various conflicts with the municipality00:40:04
municipality actually Zundert Breda00:40:07
Rotterdam is also getting involved00:40:09
at some point and D of everything else00:40:10
what in D that area there and the family00:40:13
angel thinks eh Am mahela We00:40:17
eh, we don't feel like doing that at all00:40:19
right is right, we are going against ourselves00:40:22
do your own thing with the intention of doing something00:40:24
actually to do because that that area00:40:26
So it's called Fort Orange, but your father is00:40:28
actually a permanent real estate man00:40:30
actually uh on all kinds of uh00:40:33
rental houses, things, just renovations00:40:37
contractor entrepreneur rolls up his sleeves00:40:39
a hard worker also earned money00:40:41
That's also possible, that's just fine h hm eh00:40:44
but um self-made man actually and you00:40:47
family had been for years um so in that00:40:52
it makes sense that you guys were kind of like00:40:54
Yes, you have a zoning plan00:40:55
you have that area No but me00:40:57
just ask people00:40:59
don't understand how come where this comes from00:41:01
completely out of nowhere you shake00:41:02
No, but that's about it00:41:03
That's how history is. Well I think so00:41:05
you're wrong to say he was being bothered00:41:08
huh The only thing he did is For him00:41:10
straight is straight come is crooked And like him00:41:12
something happens then he goes against it00:41:14
if government takes action then defends it00:41:17
he is against that so I won't mention that00:41:19
That's bothersome, isn't it? That's the government00:41:22
at that moment that bothers you Look and also00:41:24
with Fort Oranje It was a solvable problem00:41:27
problem, we have that land too00:41:28
offered to the municipality against the00:41:30
appraisal values you want it that way00:41:31
like have please This is the00:41:33
appraisal pay that00:41:36
huh in 2015 I believe 4.2 million00:41:39
had they had They have00:41:40
ultimately something like 30 million00:41:41
issued to vacate that campsite00:41:43
hey, it didn't matter what it cost00:41:46
this ehon in the ground or something well Da You would00:41:49
almost thinking no, that was already happening eh00:41:51
from the Rotterdam background there was00:41:54
all Guinness sentences from the municipality00:41:55
versus so eh absol problem this had to be this00:41:58
was a Pioneer inpro like them00:42:01
mention to show the government the00:42:04
a government, the Riek and the Liek00:42:07
that's the national version of it00:42:09
can do this which can be any unwanted00:42:11
behavior and they call that undermining00:42:13
so that's the One who makes room for00:42:16
crime but not criminal is like that00:42:19
that's how it is plugged in, they can00:42:22
turn off what it's actually about00:42:24
and why this is so important00:42:25
story is is if you people on that00:42:28
way can expropriate, well then we have00:42:30
the farmers then we have the SMEs00:42:32
we have other holiday parks Look and00:42:34
and that's what makes it so important and then00:42:37
we continue three months in March 202000:42:41
then Jeroen saw where did that invasion come from00:42:43
from in November that that came out00:42:45
Netherlands that was with the intention to00:42:47
to disable and paralyze us00:42:49
meant financially eh drying out and you00:42:53
H but also taking away your time that that that00:42:56
is so you have to with the aim of Om00:42:59
so you can't just pick up the land alone00:43:01
to take the land but also to get rid of it00:43:02
of all those lawsuits, right?00:43:04
they thought it was annoying that we were going00:43:05
to uncover that truth00:43:07
we get a lot of truth about it00:43:09
about what happened on the00:43:11
background at Fort Orange and so on00:43:13
happened there in the background Well00:43:14
So there's a whole plan there, eh, three eh00:43:18
collaborative projects had been with00:43:19
the purpose of expropriating the campsite00:43:22
the ultimate goal is to spend a lot of money on it00:43:25
earn but expropriate on one00:43:27
I would like that outside way00:43:29
have said, so without00:43:30
powers abuse of powers00:43:33
That's where the provar comes from, isn't it?00:43:35
so you can go into such an area with00:43:37
fire boat to eventually eh00:43:40
tax techn is too00:43:42
happened. That's what the whole story is about00:43:44
of fortan that is simply reminiscent of00:43:47
intimidation pure Sang and your statement00:43:50
is also that this happens a lot more throughout00:43:52
Netherlands only that the family angel00:43:55
with Pol there eh eh just say eh yes00:43:59
is more resilient than so so we would this00:44:02
being able to speak as well as make a call00:44:03
guys um everyone watching and so on00:44:06
people you know in the area who00:44:08
you have also experienced something similar00:44:09
statement is also This happens on a large scale00:44:11
scale people who have certain land00:44:13
that is desired in one way or another00:44:15
by the aldermen by the municipality00:44:17
interests that play a role00:44:19
have to deal with a device a00:44:21
government apparatus that abuses00:44:23
his power over people and your father was00:44:27
so it is indeed a special family leg00:44:29
a similar family eh and so the00:44:33
family leg is from those who have one00:44:34
bought a large piece of land around Schiphol00:44:37
with the intention that h is called chips00:44:40
that affair Yes and with the intention of00:44:42
to develop all kinds of things there00:44:45
precisely in view of that which is good for the00:44:47
airport and that is very interesting00:44:49
etc and the government er all kinds of governments00:44:53
didn't want that because they wanted that themselves00:44:55
what they wanted to do Yes and it is 3000:44:59
There have been lawsuits for 35 years00:45:01
also with stories like this00:45:04
judge was a friend of this and again00:45:06
it and all very shady and it00:45:09
final result is that they have it now00:45:10
have said guys You know what love it00:45:12
but they have a few hundred now00:45:13
got a million for it eh but there is00:45:16
nothing developed so it's a shame00:45:18
actually it is sin and it is00:45:20
fantastic people By the way, those00:45:21
family only paws this and that shows00:45:23
but that about that Yes in their uh in their00:45:28
madness thinks Yes, but we are omnipotent00:45:31
they waste tax money they ruin00:45:33
people and they achieve nothing for the00:45:35
society and this is real Yes it is00:45:39
it may be difficult to deal with an illness00:45:40
to compare But I mean that very00:45:42
literally It's a cancerous tumor00:45:44
society Yes, but it is whole00:45:46
important government that that that not00:45:48
is checked and which is not00:45:50
has to be held accountable00:45:51
terribly dangerous Yes, but it00:45:53
it is very important that we also the00:45:54
the just a little more that context that people00:45:56
understanding so so it wasn't00:45:58
that there was a raid out of nowhere00:46:01
November because I want to go there again00:46:03
back for that for the story Want00:46:04
Ultimately that is very important00:46:06
this yes, but there is one00:46:08
history of many years your00:46:10
father in conflict together with with you and00:46:13
all kinds of people like a lot of people00:46:17
in the Netherlands with some land00:46:19
possessions eh gets into a clinch over it00:46:22
then, so to speak, with various00:46:24
governments also various municipalities various00:46:26
provincial municipalities were layered on the national government00:46:29
backgrounds there will be all the lawsuits00:46:31
back and forth and then it's November 19th00:46:34
2019 what happens then November 12 1200:46:38
2019 yes then what happens then Well then00:46:40
so they fall by more than 300 eh00:46:43
various police investigation services00:46:45
You name it they invade eh00:46:47
Germany eh in several locations and so00:46:49
in00:46:50
Netherlands eh real estate rented where we00:46:53
real estate eh have yes and eh eh they take00:46:57
so all files were presented during that raid00:46:59
Tanje That's a whole van full00:47:00
because we were actually going to Germany00:47:02
went because we had the idea00:47:04
Germany has an even stronger rule of law00:47:06
was like the Netherlands because I felt in it00:47:07
The Netherlands is no longer very safe00:47:09
and so that was also the reason that I all00:47:11
had brought files to Germany with00:47:13
the idea It's probably a bit safer there00:47:16
but that turned out not to be the case because they00:47:17
they have a whole van00:47:19
brought along and I had to I had dozens00:47:21
procedures are in place and those procedures had to be done00:47:23
I continue without getting the files00:47:25
I had to e what I eh a little00:47:27
I should have collected it digitally00:47:29
to know uh what me what's in that00:47:31
you can do a lot of pieces00:47:33
of course not with so this was and this00:47:35
is a classic example of what we00:47:37
during the straight course we learned what the00:47:39
tour pouvoir is that is so that you00:47:42
for example you say Eh someone has eh00:47:45
his living space is rented illegally or there00:47:48
are not good indeed fire fire the00:47:51
fire safety regulations are not00:47:53
in order we're going in there And we00:47:55
confiscate files that00:47:57
actually nothing at all with the00:47:58
fire safety regulations00:47:59
have, but in the meantime you are00:48:02
remove eh in your procedures with00:48:05
relates to perhaps a completely different one00:48:06
then subject the fire safety of the00:48:09
that specific home that you have00:48:10
who who is interested in that?00:48:12
10 episodes made all over00:48:14
story about orange that can be found00:48:15
on video marhe punnu you can see all 10 eh00:48:18
I will explain exactly how it is done00:48:19
It works, it's really shocking, I think00:48:21
I if you see it um so then we're sitting00:48:24
in a November 2019 and I can you00:48:27
tell I am not easily shocked but00:48:30
I was really in shock at the time, so was his brother00:48:32
h that really because you realize at that moment00:48:35
Just wait a minute, I have an enemy00:48:37
opposite me, they have no scruples00:48:39
the one that didn't come back from anything was like that00:48:41
intense about that raid because you have that00:48:43
maybe not quite yet. Well, if00:48:44
you look at that, I was in the Netherlands eh00:48:48
then you are with your family, you have to be on the00:48:49
sit on the couch there were friends too00:48:51
playing for my kids and uh the whole00:48:54
House is picked up so it was not00:48:56
only in Germany no no no also in00:48:57
my house was here all the way down the street00:48:59
full of black vans with eh huh The whole one00:49:01
neighborhood can watch the whole of Germany00:49:04
street cordoned off eh 300 people his brother who00:49:09
he was taking a nap in us00:49:11
apartment and the door is taken out00:49:13
rammed He gets a meilleur on his00:49:15
head and uh on the becomes on the ground00:49:17
laid00:49:18
uh you're in total shock aren't you because I00:49:22
I mean, again, you don't expect this, do you?00:49:24
You think they don't go that far00:49:26
So that's as far as they go, so then eh, that far00:49:29
they care about people who00:49:32
People who are annoying are annoying00:49:34
people who go for the truth00:49:37
to eliminate them, but yes, you have00:49:39
of course, all the while, over and over again00:49:41
every eh eh violation that the so to speak00:49:44
the authorities took a step in it00:49:47
progress in their goals00:49:49
tackled you again for one00:49:50
lawsuit and you often won, right? And00:49:51
we have and that was that's it00:49:53
I think it's frustrating for the government00:49:55
which kept going more and more00:49:57
work together To prevent you00:49:58
again that lawsuit would that was in fact00:50:00
The reason, yes, we got 3000:50:02
riggers also heard in preliminary00:50:03
They found witnesses for that whole00:50:05
annoying because I have to deal with all those people00:50:07
who are very cool in the background00:50:08
because they are all very tough00:50:10
people work so slowly in anonymity00:50:12
but at the moment when they are sitting in front of you00:50:14
and can ask questions, yes, all at once00:50:16
Then eh, then they become very insecure, don't we?00:50:19
have burdened people of the00:50:20
tax authorities that of the eh eh how00:50:22
it is called external government cooperation00:50:26
Yes people, but that external government00:50:30
cooperation Yes, so they are looking for the00:50:32
collaboration with for example00:50:34
foreign services and then they go away00:50:35
they move very slyly in the background00:50:37
agree what what can you do and hey Go00:50:39
you organize a nice raid Well if you00:50:42
who then has you sitting in front of you who refused00:50:43
first to come and say I have nothing00:50:45
to do with that judge, well judge00:50:46
almost had them pick up what that00:50:48
this time we were lucky with eh00:50:50
judge huh judge eh Rosa go she I eh00:50:53
pick up What do you mean by lat not coming00:50:56
as a witness, the judge can order00:50:58
to pick him up from home yes then came00:51:01
you do and then you see that attitude00:51:03
those people who feel untouchable00:51:05
and they are, so they're sitting up00:51:07
that's all those guys on the00:51:09
background that these kinds of plans00:51:12
think of And you just said Yes, people00:51:15
Look at people who have been put through the mill00:51:17
we often don't even know what is going on00:51:19
happened I know an example of the00:51:21
That's also into the harbor of Hermenzeil00:51:23
They have that approach in Brabant00:51:25
Fort orange tested I have that man00:51:27
spoken to the owner. He is a bit crazy now00:51:30
you tested Fort Orange's approach Yes00:51:32
the Rie approach is the regional innovation What00:51:34
means tested What do you mean tested eh00:51:36
to try out how does that work00:51:38
they would rather take away such a piece of land00:51:40
tried the same method that means00:51:43
you Yes, they have that port there would eh in it00:51:45
the canteen there would sometimes have people00:51:47
drank coffee from a motorway00:51:49
have that was the reason and they00:51:51
They also wanted that to be the same motive00:51:52
just wanted to have land after all they have00:51:54
it was also taken away from that man00:51:55
is divorced, very broken, I have it00:51:58
spoken. That's nothing more than that00:52:00
that man and that is what our government and00:52:01
who just had a piece l had a a00:52:04
He had a marina and operated it00:52:07
there is never a criminal offense involved00:52:09
found him by no concrete00:52:10
suspicions I still have him for a while00:52:12
then what have they done They have a00:52:13
inv What exactly was the method?00:52:15
have conducted several raids and they00:52:16
have imposed tax assessments00:52:18
because you will be superior with00:52:20
tax assessments with inspections and He00:52:22
was followed every time and then he was00:52:24
again a You can just conclude with a00:52:26
number of governments together number00:52:28
government agencies together isra with the00:52:30
Palestinians make your life bureaucratic00:52:33
destroy ne on all those to all those of00:52:35
then suddenly you have an eh an extra00:52:38
assessment for your road tax00:52:39
You have a Something isn't right with you00:52:41
with you I know what kind of eh eh00:52:44
brandin Infrastructure and it seems00:52:46
as if they were independent of each other then00:52:48
suddenly you get everything at once. Yeah eh00:52:50
and then you think, What's happening to me?00:52:52
eh and that happens to those people too00:52:55
don't think it's a coincidence but that00:52:57
is therefore a collaboration of such00:52:59
club This is one that together is that00:53:01
the external government er no but that that00:53:03
is in particular the de Riek eh approach to00:53:07
covid because What happened all those00:53:10
government agencies did just that00:53:12
what they had done on a small scale00:53:13
Fort Orange on the entire population because00:53:16
suddenly you became on all sides you became00:53:19
stuck Sor had no idea what you were doing00:53:22
want to do that but I won't allow it00:53:23
because it's just between well I me00:53:26
I want I still want it So we00:53:28
sitting on November 12, 2019 Yes 300 people00:53:33
SWAT teams miter masks don't know what00:53:37
already blinded00:53:47
robbery lock moment you're completely shocked00:53:49
dead officially it was officially over00:53:53
large-scale tax woman That was the00:53:56
reason to invade eh But00:53:58
there was no concrete suspicion that was00:54:00
It wasn't just an investigation either00:54:01
but in title n yes So they have it00:54:04
research was no more because that is also00:54:07
the point what the criminal judge in my case00:54:09
right away, because we are00:54:10
finally last year the00:54:12
criminal case uh from uh October it is00:54:14
first started asking what that judge00:54:16
also asked yes what is actually the00:54:18
prompted this research00:54:20
because there is nothing There is no suspicion00:54:22
There is no clue from Oh any00:54:26
what was there was yes February 14, 201700:54:31
we have been ordered to do this00:54:32
investigation happened to be the same day that00:54:35
they have a meeting in the Netherlands00:54:38
the committee had confiscated it00:54:40
Riek, so that committee is taking some deprivation00:54:44
expropriation huh? So they have expropriation00:54:46
on Well, expropriation is a legal thing, isn't it?00:54:49
So you have law in the Netherlands, there you can00:54:50
your people is legal term No00:54:53
deprivation is only Burger's own00:54:55
take away with through eh abuse of00:54:57
powers that is deprivation and that is00:54:59
what the plan was and also what use of it00:55:01
powers Well that's what I call that00:55:03
is then eh that is the discussion Yes00:55:06
abuse because but if you eh00:55:08
powers used on people00:55:10
to deprive property then that is00:55:11
abuse of powers because eh the00:55:14
picking legislation Yes, but that is that00:55:17
legislation and then you can deprive people00:55:20
official but you can't people00:55:21
to deprive them of their permit00:55:24
take or know00:55:27
That's what one government is00:55:32
one more comment, eh, how true00:55:36
we just started with the É government00:55:37
wait I didn't look at Ralf because we00:55:39
against you but because we I00:55:41
I think it's funny. We do have a bag. You are00:55:43
really such a You are really such a lawyer You00:55:46
are just so very you are you are00:55:48
just I think I would like it00:55:50
if you were on my side00:55:52
in a lawsuit and I think I'm there00:55:54
it would calm down a lot if00:55:55
you would be standing opposite me in the00:55:57
lawsuit that's why I had to say00:55:59
but let's laugh for a moment and say something like that00:56:02
branch branch00:56:04
just take over that problem of É00:56:07
yes Terrier Yes, but that's good, isn't it? Me00:56:09
I think a good lawyer should be Terrier00:56:12
the problem is that one government00:56:13
It started much earlier, didn't it? The one below00:56:16
Wim kck started the polder model that is00:56:20
where the Ax is at the root of our eh00:56:22
Democratic constitutional state has been put in place because00:56:24
a democratic constitutional state exists00:56:26
It's all about checks and balances, right?00:56:28
those government organizations also belong00:56:30
to check each other, but that's a good thing00:56:33
just one more comment Chinese walls00:56:35
between are actually there and with Po model then00:56:38
that that is indeed that kind00:56:40
interweave unions that go with it00:56:42
So the interests of the are no longer there00:56:44
employees will take care of it00:56:46
will look after other interests00:56:48
did not belong at the table, er, agreements00:56:51
has a long history but at 1200:56:53
So that raid was November. Yes, stuff in00:56:56
seized everything everything blocked00:56:58
all bak and and you came the same00:57:00
day or a day later together and00:57:02
you said to each other this is this is00:57:05
weird Well we were straight We were real00:57:09
in shok h real It also has a whole00:57:12
It took some time before I got one again00:57:14
little bit because you I really had I never00:57:16
had panic attacks and i really have the00:57:18
I've experienced a lot in my life, but then00:57:20
you realize how vulnerable you are, you know00:57:22
I really feel like I'm in bed at night too00:57:24
I really laugh and I really got scared. Know00:57:26
you I thought What's wrong with me00:57:29
sweating, yes, but that will pass after a while00:57:33
time it goes away and then you find yourself again00:57:34
again your fighting spirit but that is00:57:36
of course also a goal to help people eh00:57:39
to intimidate to intimidate00:57:41
overwhelm to disable because what00:57:43
so actually happens00:57:46
is that that that's what you guys00:57:49
concluded on November 12 or 1300:57:51
November at the time you again00:57:52
were talking to each other that one00:57:55
a case that has been dragging on for years00:57:59
lawsuits legal battle at a given00:58:02
moment00:58:03
um it has been taken to a higher level00:58:07
could you say Yes they said and00:58:09
Now we've had it completely00:58:11
these guys Yes yes um just fall everywhere00:58:15
take everything inside and then go00:58:18
We sometimes take a look to see who is looking00:58:21
will find that idea exactly I grasp it00:58:24
good completely Yes and and and at that moment00:58:28
because because if so you came to this00:58:31
story actually came into being at that moment00:58:34
virus truth Avant la lre we will00:58:37
but say who existed who came into being00:58:39
then J discovered yes then realized00:58:42
you you that you with a definitive with00:58:43
to create a different kind of opponent00:58:46
than what you thought up until that moment00:58:48
Well, we can sum it up like that, yes, exactly00:58:50
You might have to wait a while for that too00:58:52
for the viewers for everyone who this00:58:53
Haven't read the book yet, but now00:58:55
is ordering on amsteram00:58:56
books.nl the biggest crime ever or on00:58:59
each with each self-respecting one00:59:01
bookstore b.com but what because what Yes00:59:05
tell me again what happened then00:59:06
happens to you now so then you are Yes00:59:09
I'm sorry, but I just really want to00:59:10
that the story is for people too, yes00:59:12
is followable, so then you are already in eh in00:59:15
a war eh mode huh So eh that eh after00:59:20
after that raid came, so it started00:59:23
misery with that Lockdown and the moment00:59:25
that but wait a minute, that's where we really are00:59:27
not yet It's November 2019 Well00:59:30
that that that actually because um after that00:59:32
eh, it's not a few months later00:59:36
that covid starts00:59:38
happen and on a Yes, mid-March and00:59:41
when those lockdowns came00:59:43
I recognized it by the way she did that00:59:46
around Fort Orange, look eh00:59:48
foran was also one in that respect00:59:50
test case to see how you do it00:59:51
narrative eh eh could maintain How00:59:54
could you tell the story of that that00:59:56
This is about a Huissen fancier and00:59:58
We do it here for the people00:59:59
voot orange was also for the people01:00:01
We do it for our own sake, namely for the01:00:04
people who might want there exactly01:00:05
go those people we go those people01:00:07
We help hundreds of people, don't we?01:00:09
threw them on the street but we do01:00:10
it's for the people, so I recognize this01:00:13
Our viewers don't know all this01:00:15
no no but it's not it's not the01:00:16
essence in my eye because the essence is01:00:18
this is the reason to opt for one01:00:21
certain way to the government01:00:22
look because the orange is discussed01:00:24
I think a very different chapter Eh and01:00:27
that again flows very logically into how01:00:28
you then enter the virus truth01:00:31
atmosphere so actually missing the point01:00:34
I'm okay with that a little bit, so here it is01:00:36
moment So that crisis begins01:00:38
Covid crisis, I immediately know this is correct01:00:40
not this, this stinks all over me01:00:43
but this Yes I know maybe I'm missing the01:00:45
Point, but I don't understand how he does that01:00:47
then you think beg knows he recognizes me01:00:50
maybe something is nonsense but you recognize it01:00:53
things at some point01:00:55
like me but not I had of course01:00:56
nothing with you or with Fort anything01:00:58
to make, but I recognized it in March01:01:02
that year it hung there, as it were01:01:04
dark cloud I say they are going to do it01:01:07
you feel it coming and you recognize it01:01:09
certain situations it also affected me01:01:11
the war, which of course I never think about01:01:13
have experienced any war but the01:01:15
Second World War Netherlands that war01:01:17
the occupation The reason in the years01:01:19
30 eh in Nazi Germany that did not go into effect01:01:22
once, but that was done step by step01:01:26
went step by step, you got it then too01:01:27
you weren't allowed to talk about that01:01:29
say of course but I liked it01:01:31
It's all recognition and I think it's strange01:01:33
so that um then they all went01:01:35
I'm sure they will too01:01:37
no lock Yes, a Lockdown and later01:01:39
Then came that curfew, they go anyway01:01:41
don't do it I thought they were going to do it01:01:42
of course, because this is normal01:01:44
the same spirit and in whatever you saw that01:01:47
I just read the book by eh01:01:50
er the high nest of roxane Van Ieperen01:01:53
fantastic book about the occupation01:01:56
the Jewish women who live in it01:01:58
eh eh all had refugees there01:02:01
in hey people in hiding in uh Naarden in in01:02:04
house there in the woods and everything affected me01:02:07
thinking about what was happening at that moment01:02:09
with covid all those measures were01:02:11
of course not one on one so none01:02:13
Holocaust followed but it was so01:02:16
recognizable and they With all due respect01:02:18
that writer when you hear that01:02:20
he has none of it at all01:02:23
nothing bothers me Helal and I saw it01:02:25
on Yes, but you recognize a kind of one01:02:27
kind of government that takes care of itself01:02:30
strengthening is so to speak. Such a kind01:02:32
ation the way eh is spoken01:02:34
h you I I mean that measure then01:02:38
started I was just I think this01:02:39
does not exist. Do you know what people are doing now?01:02:41
those measures that were announced how01:02:44
that it does not exist for sure. As a lawyer, eh01:02:46
I don't think it's possible at all here01:02:48
happens and so what could not have been done if01:02:53
lawyer, for example, who needs it01:02:54
order was totally unlawful Which01:02:56
emergency ordinance in the first few01:02:58
months until December 1, 2020 we are01:03:02
governed with a pseudo judicial01:03:05
enforcement that existed completely that was possible01:03:07
not at all through those emergency regulations01:03:08
but they did it anyway01:03:10
Lockdown everyone is fooling everyone01:03:12
only we went against it01:03:15
and so did the judge01:03:16
trick him who believed everything that eh it01:03:19
rvm and the state said yes it is now01:03:21
really necessary while apart from that pandemic01:03:25
legally speaking it was wrong and and01:03:27
there and we later proved that with01:03:29
all those [ __ ] pieces, the nctv was gone01:03:31
the beginning behind rvm never has anything01:03:35
said about measures that had to be taken01:03:37
just said yes if you like this01:03:40
we can take some measures here01:03:41
report about writing but the fact01:03:43
that you are going to ban people from being a poet01:03:46
than to come together 1.5 meters that I01:03:49
I mean, any sane person can think of that01:03:51
The government cannot forbid that01:03:53
are correct that that that are dystopian01:03:57
measures and still people went there01:03:59
along I didn't understand that so I have it01:04:02
looked at for a while because I think now the01:04:03
Legal profession that rebels01:04:05
judges are revolting this this this01:04:08
I thought it could take up to six weeks01:04:10
but the longer it took what happened01:04:12
nothing at all so until until I with his01:04:15
brother uh discuss what Yes what are we going to do01:04:17
Are we going to watch this here or...01:04:19
are we going to do something No, but then you get01:04:21
so that the whole dynamic that you guys01:04:23
had been involved in it for years01:04:25
better understand how bizarre the government is01:04:28
you can get rid of it if it suits you01:04:31
logic that you could say that concept01:04:33
apply one to one to the situation01:04:35
on covid-19 and that whole Lockdown and the01:04:38
whole situation surrounding it because actually it is01:04:40
It's very strange, isn't it? You have become famous01:04:42
of of the Corona covid situation uh and01:04:45
That whole thing only came secondarily01:04:47
Fort Orange story behind it, yes eh01:04:49
By the way, they fear that too01:04:51
want to get out because my uncle was01:04:54
a eh VVD eh VVD Prominent so we01:04:56
they also have that uh summons01:04:58
sent to him and he got him there01:05:00
set up another er er party Bond01:05:02
sent and he absolutely wanted it01:05:05
whole connection with Fort Orange from the01:05:07
a summons was required that connection was allowed01:05:10
cannot be made and we still thought01:05:13
in our naivety ofou Okay because we01:05:15
did not know what essay and Remkes their role01:05:18
were that they were co-perpetrators but01:05:20
we still thought we had a better chance01:05:23
if we keep it loose and we engage01:05:25
Fort Ranje is not there at all01:05:26
keep it purely on Human Rights and01:05:29
on the ineffective not proportional01:05:31
measures that have not been proven But01:05:33
well let's go back to indeed01:05:34
the to huh How how it ultimately eh01:05:37
started that is because eh are01:05:39
brother who said We are going to have a procedure ourselves01:05:41
start I started writing day and night01:05:44
night for weeks I have eh eh eh that that01:05:46
prepared a case against those measures01:05:49
those covid-19 measures Yes yes When01:05:51
started that I'm going in uh April01:05:53
writing April that April has started01:05:55
doing research with writing that is01:05:57
It's been a huge amount of work for weeks01:05:59
hardly slept eh and I thought you know01:06:02
there are so many interest groups01:06:04
they see a whole rear tire going01:06:05
for something you know all those companies that01:06:07
The catering events are closed01:06:09
companies so I have them I have when I01:06:12
had received the summons because eh Willem said01:06:14
I want to do that case. I said well, I01:06:16
I think it's important that that01:06:18
interest groups do that so I have01:06:20
I even approached the fair association01:06:23
and all of them one by one01:06:25
medium sized SME the eh and I have them01:06:29
everyone who sent dvar, I say Willen01:06:31
you will participate and so I am sure01:06:32
subpoena you subpoena on behalf of the01:06:35
state I have a day Yes that was it01:06:38
the point on whose behalf I was parties to01:06:41
looking for that for their rear tire01:06:43
was a Public Interest action or what was01:06:45
Yes, it was a summons01:06:48
written for catering, for example01:06:50
Royal catering industry, right?01:06:53
on behalf of Konink, for example, I wanted to01:06:55
as many interests as possible from yourself01:06:57
no one pays for your hours. No one has01:06:59
my hours paid No I did that because01:07:00
I really thought this is what's happening here01:07:03
Not for four years, right? But you also had01:07:05
good experiences in a sense with the01:07:07
right with with with the judiciary I01:07:09
in those 20 years eh Look it's never01:07:11
easy to proceed against the state01:07:13
huh It's always you're always 2-001:07:15
behind only at crucial moments01:07:17
we have always been right in the past01:07:19
got it, so then you lose seven01:07:22
cases but the eighth case you win and01:07:23
that mom makes all those seven things again01:07:25
Well that was our experience right. We have01:07:28
all those attempts come back again01:07:29
on Vo orange to close them every01:07:32
time I was finally able to do that01:07:33
prevented and that they are whole again01:07:35
were frustrated that it didn't work out01:07:37
that has changed since covid, right?01:07:41
control over that judiciary01:07:43
they perfected prior to01:07:45
covid well Something went wrong once01:07:48
since that was at the curfew itself01:07:50
the first one is less known It went01:07:52
about the entry that is December 31, 202001:07:56
then they also got the law very quickly01:07:57
changed but it wasn't there yet01:07:58
such enormous media attention on and the01:08:01
curfew that was barely two months01:08:03
later I remember that al jazera and the01:08:05
BBC and everyone was there for that one01:08:08
court case of the curfew and that was01:08:10
before the eyes of the world01:08:13
Dutch government down, but that01:08:16
was all just that. That's why I said that01:08:18
links the egg based on the species01:08:20
experience what you experience in that orange color01:08:21
have built up a business. Yes, and I have all those01:08:24
thought that was beside the point no no01:08:27
no yes no but I really don't understand01:08:29
I don't mean that in a rude way oh no okay Well01:08:33
yes, litigate against the state, eh, and certainly01:08:36
if the state turns against you01:08:40
I just say with all loose01:08:42
states and tite that then pool together01:08:44
seem to work, eh, that's what they have in it01:08:48
the years leading up to that whole one01:08:50
more and more experience with the corona situation01:08:52
received eh eh because it passed01:08:54
Fort Orange that was actually one01:08:56
similar situation where you are against a01:08:58
kind of omnipotent is at it01:08:59
litigation was that and that's it01:09:02
difficult Well yes, but is that really the case01:09:04
that she's cheating, that's something01:09:06
what we just want to establish is01:09:08
that yes, but that can all be read and01:09:10
can be seen in the pieces that Jeren has01:09:12
produced all with the sources It01:09:15
it is certain that the government in01:09:17
different entities have more than 2001:09:20
committed crimes where you01:09:22
normally hundreds of cells for can01:09:24
that is the government at its feet01:09:27
So who wants to read it, it's there01:09:30
on eh voorwaarde.nl de01:09:36
daily catch included, so that is not possible01:09:38
more discussion about what I am talking about here01:09:40
The story is all substantiated with01:09:42
piece of evidence hard evidence of the01:09:44
government itself, evaluation reports, eh01:09:47
you name it Institute physical01:09:49
safety has a number of reports01:09:51
written and that's all in it01:09:53
eh back eh to find what I'm telling here01:09:56
but then we actually go Because this01:09:58
are serious crimes but covid01:10:02
has made everything else pale because01:10:04
we are talking about courage here01:10:08
is sometimes said by some people01:10:09
called genocide but it is demoralized01:10:11
is to put pressure on the population01:10:14
defraud cheat deprive rights that01:10:18
they finally reach the cross eh eh eh01:10:21
saying OK, give me a shot01:10:23
or I'll close my business or eh eh Do01:10:26
let me leave nasie early, that's true01:10:29
Covid passed, this was for the whole01:10:31
population to make them smaller01:10:33
make Yes because you were you came there then01:10:36
actually from nowhere, eh, because you01:10:38
actually had with the Fort Orange thing01:10:39
little to do eh you came knocking through you01:10:42
expertise too eh eh n and that's it01:10:45
funny because in those first two months01:10:48
we were actually working in parallel He was01:10:49
working on the legal part where I am01:10:51
didn't know anything about it at all and I was with with01:10:53
it uh medical scientific where he01:10:56
again knew little about it and by the first one01:10:59
summons came together that and that01:11:02
was also a kind of cross-pollination of yes01:11:04
but scientifically speaking it is correct01:11:06
nothing Yes, but legally speaking it is correct01:11:08
nothing about it either Okay this is a01:11:11
Koep Yes it was a power grab and that01:11:14
is exactly what in March and it is know01:11:16
I still I stood by er well I stood by01:11:18
Albert Heijn outside and then it hung01:11:21
above the market, right? We're going to have a Lockdown01:11:23
hm hm with everything that went with it Well me01:11:26
of course I had already read it and then01:11:28
er, someone also said This is a power Yes01:11:32
Power grab and it's all01:11:35
already rehearsed in 2001 at Dark winter01:11:38
in hm hm a a program of the01:11:41
US Government Yes to practice01:11:43
for a bio terrorist01:11:45
attack Exactly the same things with01:11:48
lockdowns curfew everything was precise01:11:50
the same n It's very good that you do that01:11:52
quotes because There are the the the01:11:55
seedlings laid for this particular one01:11:57
form of the Coup We then had eh eh01:11:59
In addition to 9/11, I also had the entrex letters01:12:02
yes which was later proven to be01:12:04
all came from the laboratory01:12:05
all yes um we have had Sars 1 We01:12:08
have had the swine flu We01:12:09
have had M We've had Ebola and01:12:11
there is a common thread and if you then01:12:13
looks at for example the the the the01:12:17
12 points they have established with01:12:18
eh the eh One Health thinking eh so the the01:12:22
the resolution from eh New York 2004 hmm01:12:25
That is actually the De Bakermat01:12:28
been like OK, we're going to commit a crime01:12:31
via Public Health And who are01:12:34
we who then go to the cow Well if you then01:12:36
see who has those protocols01:12:38
written then you have to go back to01:12:39
Dark winter then you have a pair01:12:41
important laws, just like that here01:12:43
the law is eh safety regions01:12:46
They rigged it up. What was it?01:12:48
The Patriot Act and a few others like this01:12:50
kind of eh the The Preparedness Act eh in01:12:53
they have in the United States01:12:54
accepted and they have the but but01:12:56
okay so they assumed things that01:12:58
is the congress but who has a01:13:00
CP committed No that's not that's not01:13:01
Pere the congress that that's okay but who01:13:03
have made a purchase, the people eh01:13:07
behind the scenes so da Do you have the eh01:13:08
nhs but also the dhs er the NS Homeland01:13:13
Security Homeland Security is the Pivot01:13:16
of this CP department of Homeland01:13:18
Security uh they have those voles01:13:22
mystery what is that that was founded after01:13:24
911 eh because eh d was now whole01:13:27
dangerous all a Ministry one01:13:29
kind of extra It's a kind of extra01:13:31
security FBI you could say it is01:13:34
not the same but it's kind01:13:35
extra from nctv you name it Yes well01:13:40
that's a very good comparison01:13:43
what happened next is all vasal01:13:45
states of the United States01:13:47
were gradually kneaded into01:13:50
the same structure Why was released in 201201:13:53
the National Police was founded and why01:13:55
the police changed from Home01:13:56
Report all cases to the justice department01:13:59
of the department or hse Kurt we01:14:02
have those lines01:14:04
can really make it visible because01:14:06
Auersberg, for example, the boss of the01:14:07
nctv proudly makes a big difference in 201901:14:11
that he had consulted with the dhs01:14:13
uh oh Lundgren too by the way and and so see01:14:16
you that certain core players in01:14:20
the Netherlands have a lot of contact01:14:22
had with that one01:14:24
and that's not that's not a coincidence01:14:25
these these are the lines This is01:14:27
now a kind of globalist model. This01:14:29
is a model Yes, it really is a rollout01:14:31
and and and between that Dark winter You have01:14:34
still Crimson contagion clade x They are01:14:37
all yes eh programs have been to01:14:40
look just like with Fort Orange to01:14:42
look at How can we now the government01:14:46
coordinate What law do we have01:14:47
who should be in what positions01:14:49
when we call it a pandemic01:14:53
everything by Well, but that's so that's01:14:55
the official story of course01:14:56
if there is one, the risks of one01:14:59
global pandemic are increasing01:15:00
because the the the the relationships are many01:15:03
more intense eh so we have to01:15:06
prepare and here it comes01:15:07
of course all from eh and you01:15:09
You can also interpret it the other way around01:15:11
say yes, they would like exactly that one01:15:13
going to set up control Eh and that's a01:15:16
goal and not a means Well that that that01:15:17
It's quite a debate, isn't that where we stay?01:15:19
I think about debating, just kind of01:15:21
globalist uh uh more and more01:15:24
all kinds of eh getting knotted together01:15:27
state actors that is of course eh01:15:29
yeah that's a given I think that01:15:31
just plays yeah it's just the whole01:15:34
time a lot of people who are also there in all01:15:36
saying sincerity is for you01:15:38
safety is very important that we do that01:15:40
do Yes, but that Yes, that's how you can look at it01:15:41
of course But that's exactly what they did01:15:43
same the Nations that said fire IR01:15:45
itself that was it yes for ere soul01:15:49
geheid Well then you could do anything You01:15:50
Had a point too, yes01:15:54
I mean I don't want the government here eh01:15:56
I'm going to defend it completely because I think01:15:59
of course Look at the history with01:16:00
Fort orange and so on, er, those things01:16:03
It happens, I have also seen it01:16:05
I know the history of chipzel then01:16:08
what better than uh the history of01:16:09
Fort orange, but that's true, isn't it?01:16:12
that that that happens and there are plays01:16:14
interests and the royal family01:16:17
has interests and defends them too01:16:20
on in a in a uh intense way and and01:16:23
and all others01:16:24
uh players who defend their01:16:27
interests that earn a lot01:16:29
money they have power they have things01:16:31
and the power defends itself01:16:34
absolutely, so that is true and that applies01:16:36
all kinds of ways but then you get on01:16:38
at some point Corona indeed And01:16:41
then you have a guy who01:16:45
Mark really has a seriously high IQ01:16:47
Rutte, an intelligent guy, that one01:16:51
takes a lot of measures, of which we01:16:53
we have been wondering intensely is that01:16:56
er, silliness, he just understands01:16:59
I don't know how those statistics work01:17:02
Or has someone been there, something good?01:17:05
He said once in the beginning01:17:06
Do you remember that he turned around yes with01:17:09
he was right about herd immunity there01:17:11
in yes because he Z first No but that that01:17:14
was still the internal discussion at the time01:17:16
secret service yes, we are in the01:17:19
zone Great Britain or are we in the01:17:21
zone Germany and and then he has because01:17:23
he has admitted that. Yes with Merkel01:17:26
called we're going into Lockdown I got it01:17:28
never talked about herd immunity but01:17:30
you have to realize that uh Merkel and01:17:32
Rutte They are involved in the plan, eh01:17:35
er Rutte served as a model for koz01:17:39
for yes eh bis for the cro for trudeau01:17:44
for macron they are all Rutte01:17:46
clones Rutte was the poster Child of01:17:49
Klaus Schwab from How do you put someone down?01:17:52
Neer Who is peerless in lying I01:17:55
mean we've never had one this big01:17:57
liar ever experienced in our lives01:17:58
like Rutte and you need a certain one01:18:01
have certain respect for I mean and01:18:03
how exactly does he achieve that?01:18:05
lie where it uh what what for He01:18:08
tells the truth about nothing and it is01:18:10
a sport for him He finds it01:18:11
fantastic to be able to take with you everywhere01:18:13
I don't think you need to come for him either01:18:15
to pay He finds this He has none01:18:18
ideals He has no goals He wants01:18:20
just stay in power and he01:18:21
thinks it's beautiful and has its own01:18:24
interpretation hey mean it's absolute01:18:25
my own interpretation of what I like01:18:27
him see eh it goes counterclockwise it goes01:18:30
clockwise my own theory is is a01:18:32
very different I think that um someone like that01:18:36
Rutte simply receives a briefing from the01:18:39
American secret services certainly do01:18:41
comes some man comes01:18:42
flown in with some beautiful one01:18:44
private Jet with a complicated01:18:45
suitcase and a nice tailor-made suit and01:18:48
he says eh mister Mister prime minister01:18:51
um we have f information blab blah here01:18:54
blah01:18:55
um this that that and we've seen the01:18:58
American secret services during there01:19:00
indeed not shy about lying01:19:02
we have also seen that with the01:19:03
security council with Colin POW weapons of01:19:06
Mass Destruction in Iraq doesn't matter01:19:08
she doesn't care and whoever tells01:19:11
just say we have spoken to Boris01:19:12
Johnson we've talked to who we01:19:13
you guys are taking a tour through Europe01:19:15
have to participate with this because this this this01:19:17
this this and he knows a lot Johnson is too01:19:22
Inter hand, right? Yes, B, that also happened to Z01:19:26
all dealt with so I think um so01:19:29
look what the clue is with lying01:19:32
Is that I say to you, you know this01:19:34
white wine is now very hard01:19:36
going to say It's red wine Yes it is01:19:38
lie about what I think happened01:19:41
something completely different That is that that01:19:44
that there is a whole web of intrigue and01:19:47
semi untruths whole untruths hall01:19:51
is spun where these people those those01:19:54
after all, only Primus01:19:57
are interpares, right? I mean Rutte01:19:59
ultimately he leads a coalition with01:20:01
three three four parties you have the media01:20:03
you have this you have that man must also01:20:05
but a bit like she who also thinks01:20:07
Well, I don't know if I'll make it tomorrow01:20:09
so so and so moves along and is me01:20:11
I think it sucks a lot in that sense01:20:15
the the the We share our01:20:18
we are outraged by the policy01:20:20
totally agree but i think the01:20:21
people On National01:20:23
a lot of things have been, uh, stupid than that01:20:27
you one does not exclude the other and01:20:29
there are degrees of it. What did you say?01:20:31
a mixture mixture that there I am01:20:33
mixture mixture of that silliness01:20:34
but if you have it and yes but it is01:20:36
of course also just power eh yes eh Ze01:20:40
I think they want a lot from Rutte01:20:42
yes that is I don't know if you have that here01:20:44
can say But I wouldn't say01:20:45
psychopath but sociopath but he is01:20:47
genius, very friendly man, we know01:20:50
I always think exactly what what he01:20:52
at this moment have to say to that01:20:55
he really has talents You can't do that01:20:57
kenen tent Yes, well yes it is it is a01:20:59
pleaser It's a it's it's a uh01:21:02
very nice nice Yes, well, usually yes01:21:06
yes, well as a human being I actually have01:21:09
eh I have nothing to say to him eh01:21:13
notice, right? He's he's always a text message01:21:16
on my birthday or this and that01:21:18
and and and a nice and a nice word01:21:20
for madam and congratulations on that01:21:22
you have had a child very whole01:21:24
warm and good laugh and and so alone01:21:27
I feel a little bit about him01:21:29
man on your own Schaften you know one01:21:31
kind of someone who can do everything01:21:33
on he he he would also eh eh the01:21:37
opposite of a Lockdown01:21:38
being able to defend it actually makes a difference01:21:40
not matter and that that that01:21:43
phlegmatic, but I think that's something01:21:45
other than lying because then you have a01:21:47
kind of then you actually have a in He01:21:50
knows perfectly well that he is everyone01:21:52
has cheated a lot after four years I think01:21:55
what exactly is what then what is then01:21:57
exactly it01:21:59
you have all the measures you need to deceive01:22:03
were unlawfully ineffective01:22:06
what the government does is never lawful01:22:08
decide that mediocre is still that is normal01:22:10
a classic State parliament01:22:12
agreement Yes parliament agrees No01:22:15
that that is also a misconception. No, but01:22:16
I am critical not because I disagree01:22:18
am but you can Bet Friends Are The Ones01:22:20
that Step In The Front I am a friend01:22:23
from you, but I'm just critical01:22:24
because I think you have your case exactly01:22:26
I think you're Heroes, right? That01:22:29
won't happen in court01:22:31
so that's not the Pun but then name it01:22:33
one example you say yes liar01:22:35
liar you think Yes, that's how it is01:22:36
fore the example eh well let's do the01:22:39
curfew He pretended to01:22:42
it was all legal and if it was all01:22:44
it was lawful that wasn't it he knew01:22:46
on that judge has decided that it01:22:48
it was not lawful at all01:22:50
judge has not decided01:22:51
the right one has a whole stage piece01:22:53
staged and the [ __ ] pieces leave that01:22:54
see that judge who has uh 5 minutes01:22:57
before the time of yes eh we have to go quickly01:22:59
are because eh we have to eh for ne901:23:02
after the statement yes yes and what is there what01:23:05
is not good about that then Well yes it is01:23:07
worthy of a profession Yes, worthy of a profession, that is not01:23:11
to take seriously Why isn't that01:23:12
to take seriously that shows a01:23:15
huge bias what do you mean01:23:17
you say we have to be ready before ne901:23:19
because the curfew will start again Heb01:23:21
you already gave your finders anyway No No01:23:23
I don't think so no no well No I think01:23:26
Sorry, but I just don't think so01:23:27
I'm on this side, but I think this01:23:29
just not a strong argument as I as01:23:31
state says I am the state I am the01:23:33
state of the Netherlands and we say01:23:35
boys A comet is coming to the Netherlands01:23:38
every now and then after 8 o'clock tonight he comes to it01:23:42
point that we can't do it anymore01:23:43
shoot without hitting any debris01:23:45
our homes come back I I just name01:23:47
just an example and then you have two01:23:49
guests brilliant guests have a lot of fun01:23:51
a lower court and he says blah blah01:23:54
blah don't shoot that bite and then come01:23:56
you to the higher court and the01:23:57
Dutch state says listen to us01:23:59
we want it there before 8 o'clock tonight01:24:01
a statement about is because different from01:24:03
there's nothing we can do anymore and that's it01:24:05
I don't think that's strange, it's me01:24:08
I agree with you on the content01:24:10
procedurally speaking ne procedurally speaking01:24:13
it was actually a violation but but01:24:15
Then we have to go back for a while01:24:16
then you have to go back to your skills01:24:18
still as able to say This is sped ne that01:24:19
So you can't look at what the separation is01:24:21
you cannot have a lawsuit01:24:22
order That's exactly the point01:24:25
the executive had nothing to want01:24:27
No, but it was a request. It was a01:24:28
request to the judiciary01:24:30
for an emergency hearing no no um so no01:24:34
That is true, as is evident from the01:24:35
[ __ ] pieces that what appears from the01:24:36
[ __ ] pieces How did it go01:24:38
The [ __ ] pieces also show that mate01:24:40
Hancock said When do we release the new01:24:42
variant and Scare The pants of Their of01:24:45
them who apparently know something about that higher01:24:48
appeal that is the question all arguments01:24:50
These have been presented in court01:24:54
They knew they were lies01:24:56
they Wien but that's the point Not the the01:24:58
the question you say is higher01:25:00
appeal before 9 a.m. is in01:25:03
been in conflict with the legal system01:25:04
procedures, but I don't think that's the case01:25:06
where because the appealing party01:25:09
has asked for one01:25:15
emergency visit with you01:25:17
From a procedural point of view there is nothing there01:25:19
Everything is worth mentioning01:25:21
mereno where n01:25:23
I'm more interested if you already are01:25:26
chooses sides Hoo Then you always choose sides01:25:28
then you are not independent as you are01:25:29
says you can say one of the two01:25:31
parties believe that we had too01:25:33
a request for that then uh more time for that01:25:35
to take now but so that's a01:25:37
weighing of interests and that that that is that01:25:38
is to your disadvantage eh01:25:40
dropped out no no that's not right No01:25:42
but now you Jester must go back to01:25:43
the basics You know what are everywhere I am01:25:47
apparently too critical but no no no01:25:49
but i just want to hear the answer01:25:50
seriously What are what are fundamental rights01:25:52
especially in times of crisis01:25:55
fundamental rights must be respected01:25:57
That's what they are for, look, there are none01:25:58
fundamental rights in Dutch01:25:59
constitutional law because there is one01:26:00
testing ban No, that is not true01:26:02
also have the ECHR and the judge can01:26:04
Magnet Yes, there are the same ones on the right01:26:06
No, but let's be very specific about this01:26:08
It was a specific, uh, emergency apple01:26:10
I believe, what was unlawful there01:26:13
to well There is a verdict from one01:26:15
judge who said it is01:26:16
unlawful yes yes and in advance01:26:19
I think it is also feasible, yes and01:26:21
then it would not be possible that the01:26:23
executive power orders a judge01:26:25
Look, it just hears just like I hear01:26:28
to file that appeal and then01:26:30
you can indeed make a preliminary one01:26:32
ask for a facility that that is possible, but eh01:26:36
it no one and that also has a lot01:26:38
lawyers have never been woken up01:26:39
someone managed to reach a verdict within 4 hours01:26:42
eh again eh to throw far never01:26:46
someone succeeded No but D once must the01:26:47
first time anyway but D Is that one01:26:50
emergency appeal at the request of eh one01:26:52
emergency apple that you normally have one like us01:26:53
emergency appeal no no then it takes four01:26:55
months no but no I know but this is01:26:57
a special emergency apple with a01:27:00
great priority But why01:27:01
especially that is not stated anywhere in the law01:27:03
That's possible. No, it's that comet again. What do you mean?01:27:06
It is also not stated anywhere in the law that this is four01:27:07
may take months, but that's that01:27:08
is that comet again the judge01:27:10
power is about it itself when you say that01:27:12
it is terribly dangerous there01:27:15
called and there we have the position01:27:17
it about the to man provar uses eh or01:27:20
eh had eh the position of eh the01:27:23
government has been abused here that's how01:27:26
then how has it been abused01:27:27
maybe used but why had to01:27:30
we are at the court four hours later01:27:32
That's not possible at all, you can't either01:27:34
prepare yet another thing that01:27:36
procedurally not Mo is possible, it is01:27:38
It turned out that it was possible, but no01:27:40
no Zen has not allowed Okay it the01:27:43
presence of van disel Wait a minute We01:27:47
have an incident find How is it possible01:27:50
someone who only on the01:27:52
substantive or on the arguments one01:27:54
can bear witness Why did he become01:27:56
allowed in court, in fact01:27:58
he has worked in a medical field for many years01:28:00
disciplinary board attended with the01:28:02
main rule These are things that are simply the01:28:05
partiality01:28:07
prove Well it also makes the01:28:09
Jurisprudence is unbelievable, isn't it?01:28:11
jurisprudence belongs above all else01:28:14
for the self that is substantive to people01:28:16
I agree with the content, no, say it01:28:18
sorry if you just say01:28:20
generally the people how they usually have01:28:21
thought01:28:22
Me neither of course, but I have them01:28:24
thought Yes, but it is01:28:25
probably very dangerous because that one01:28:28
Doctor eh van Dissel is also there eh01:28:31
and then the boys will come. Well, um, me01:28:33
don't know I don't like the01:28:34
curfew but it was possible01:28:36
they are right as it is quite dangerous01:28:38
they must intervene quickly, that is also the case01:28:40
devil's advocate, now you go01:28:42
ignore the arguments presented in the01:28:44
session had been tabled for this purpose01:28:46
uh about the emergency law about the acuity01:28:49
about the right and pure way01:28:52
of new legislation because it was not01:28:56
based on the wpg it was based on01:28:59
the emergency law and eh without the state of emergency01:29:02
to exclaim so there were legal01:29:04
there were all kinds of snags on it01:29:07
then changed them in three days01:29:10
in law guys you know Read the facts01:29:14
and Come to the conclusion It's me there01:29:16
just don't go along It's me I think it is01:29:18
In terms of content, I think so. Yes, but that01:29:20
is because of Your lack of knowledge No because01:29:21
I yes no but no but that's this is01:29:24
I just think this is just silly what you are saying01:29:26
now says yes but you don't have the case01:29:27
well studied You can't do it with him01:29:30
explain I just told you no no01:29:32
no You're coming you're coming it's all coming01:29:33
substantive reasons but strict01:29:36
procedurally it provides01:29:39
civil procedural law and it01:29:41
administrative law is simply possible01:29:44
that the judiciary decides to01:29:47
hurry uh apple uh uh so quickly in too01:29:52
serve that is not in conflict, it says01:29:53
nowhere in the law does it state that there is at least one01:29:55
week or two weeks or so ahead01:29:57
It doesn't say that anywhere so you can say that01:30:00
that you do not agree with the content01:30:01
you're I just agree01:30:03
is strictly procedural from a legal point of view01:30:06
no rules were broken and i01:30:09
just think it's your own business01:30:11
I hate to shout, yes, but that is01:30:14
in conflict with that is not in conflict with01:30:16
you have 100p content01:30:18
equal 1000 equal I am 100 lives01:30:21
gestor to defend your story01:30:23
but don't touch the fact that there is01:30:25
legal procedures have been violated01:30:27
with which one then I just left you01:30:30
that van Dissel sat there was a rude one01:30:32
violation a violation it's you there01:30:34
disagree But the court goes01:30:36
concerns the admission of Witnesses there01:30:39
the court simply01:30:41
what was left was the importance of witnessing01:30:43
expert There is no room for it in one01:30:45
er in in in such a short time there it went01:30:47
session wasn't over it wasn't01:30:49
substantive treatment Why not not01:30:51
substantive treatment It was one of01:30:54
this became G then If I remember correctly a01:30:56
flagrant violation of Article 6 ECHR01:30:59
equality of arms with that What now article01:31:03
6 EV those are also judges who do that01:31:05
interpret yet it is you there01:31:07
disagree re the court has a01:31:10
different interpretation has different01:31:11
weighing up interests g Yes, but what you say01:31:13
actually if uh procedure has been followed uh01:31:16
then it is lawful, but that's where you make it01:31:18
a big fallacy D Do you also have a01:31:20
parliament Yes, all parliamentarians01:31:21
have been bribed they are corrupt and they01:31:23
vote for and then yes Well we have01:31:25
majority in parliament so it is01:31:27
legitimate, that's what you're actually saying01:31:29
Yes, I'm just saying that at the moment01:31:30
that the right is intrinsically violated01:31:32
then you can follow all procedures01:31:34
that you want you now is the difference01:31:36
between formally legal and in fact01:31:40
unjust or unlawful but01:31:42
formal Yes is hard Or unlawful01:31:44
look01:31:45
emergency regulations offer, huh? That's in it01:31:47
used very little in the past so eh we01:31:49
have only just become acquainted with it01:31:51
during Corona and there it is01:31:54
that you have built up there as a government01:31:57
must be handled very carefully and there01:31:59
be just eh that that judge that us01:32:02
is right. He has one there01:32:03
judgment given and he who said01:32:05
this cannot be done in that way01:32:08
emergency government you will find within a few hours01:32:10
your judge who breaks the laws for a moment and01:32:13
stretches and and an explanation indicates so that they01:32:15
can continue doing what they actually want01:32:17
do Yes, that's how it works. Yes, that's how it works01:32:19
it didn't work before but no since01:32:21
that moment because that's actually the the01:32:23
I also understood the cover from now on01:32:25
You are no longer in that moment01:32:27
been able to sort of01:32:29
independent legal situation01:32:31
create and and sat you constantly then is01:32:33
I also understand the Rie structure01:32:36
extensive eh At least that's what I understood01:32:39
the judiciary itself Yes01:32:42
so you no longer have one01:32:43
independent judge and01:32:46
also all things were lost, that is01:32:48
that one that That's totally a01:32:50
good observation Yes, because that is the trend01:32:53
that sentence um and and that's basically it01:32:56
point we are trying to make here i01:32:58
I understand what Cherry is saying, yes01:33:00
But yes, as long as they can do the procedure01:33:02
follow they can say it is not01:33:03
unlawful but then you have to go back to01:33:06
the Second World War huh the the the the01:33:08
purpose reasoning and what happened there01:33:11
the judges followed the law but committed01:33:13
the worst crimes they commit01:33:16
fascist jurisprudence is you have one01:33:18
goal and that is what you reason towards01:33:21
and that is01:33:22
PR01:33:23
elak no no no no no that's not01:33:26
true no You are based on principles and and01:33:28
tests against those principles Frank eh the one01:33:30
who gave Anne Frank shelter01:33:32
acted against the law Yes and the one who01:33:35
protected her, no, protected her01:33:37
so he is acting against the law. What is it?01:33:39
a factually correct eh observation That01:33:42
Yes, exactly. No, that's what I say too01:33:43
a fact Yes, so justice can be unjust01:33:46
its but it's still straight ex01:33:48
are unjust so So you are01:33:50
it's not even formal it is formal01:33:52
it and you have content there01:33:54
right, but I just think it's a01:33:55
a bit stupid to say this is in01:33:57
conflict with the law No, this is it01:33:59
right and I disagree and01:34:02
judges have a tutoring eh eh01:34:05
virus uh virology needed and a lot of it01:34:08
things all agree But on01:34:11
themselves Yes, I mean there were just01:34:13
procedures then you don't know01:34:20
misjudgments and what we have done01:34:22
have thus demonstrated one01:34:25
totally dysfunctional judiciary01:34:29
law in the sense of the higher laws01:34:33
if you were to apply it Yes, the higher one01:34:35
laws I I believe Yes but let's01:34:37
hold the ECHR hell against it01:34:39
principle of01:34:41
evm is all about evm man01:34:45
We can simply read that in the book01:34:46
whatever happened, then take it01:34:49
you then you take the Constitution it it it01:34:51
is about us having a legal system01:34:54
we also claim that in the west01:34:56
To be the Free West where we eh01:34:59
have inalienable Human Rights01:35:02
guaranteed to every individual altogether01:35:05
nothing that Z at all abuse of power that01:35:08
that's the inalienable rights01:35:11
those people are just plain vulgar01:35:13
abuse of power that is what happened here01:35:15
is of course, but it will be formal01:35:17
All just plain bad bad01:35:19
decisions made no no bad but01:35:22
those are all what I like01:35:24
that's all terrifying01:35:26
decide precisely through the most formal01:35:28
all weigh with parliamentary ones01:35:30
debates every week and then there would be again01:35:32
a hearing and the this and the that01:35:35
I think that's exactly what scares me01:35:37
they don't have any shortcuts for that at all01:35:40
have needed Because all the players in01:35:43
the whole process uh just participating with01:35:46
what needed to be done at the universities01:35:48
stood to attention01:35:49
journalism stood at attention01:35:52
Yes it is but it will never be over01:35:55
but I think I already have one01:35:57
said a few times but I think you guys01:35:59
weaken your case by putting it in a kind01:36:01
quasi legal jacket in Gieten because that01:36:04
the scary thing is that those guys01:36:07
exactly according to the lines of the01:36:09
procedures have been in progress. That is not the case01:36:11
true It is they don't have it exactly01:36:13
according to Because now there are so many01:36:15
frayed edges that make you question01:36:17
that is exactly where we work01:36:19
is about We have shown that they01:36:22
wanted to do it procedurally fair01:36:24
but it didn't work out, there's too much01:36:26
a lot went wrong and the [ __ ] let that go01:36:28
pieces see that show all those01:36:30
lawsuits see there is absolutely eh01:36:33
concocted to never leave us again01:36:35
win eh there is enormous corruption01:36:38
must take place, there is coercion01:36:40
also been with the useful Idiots people01:36:43
people are under pressure01:36:45
give then give your very best01:36:47
then give an example of what of what01:36:50
you now all say corruption01:36:52
concocted pressured then come with01:36:55
one really hard example that you really01:36:58
says of it that okay I have a pair01:37:02
spent weeks in jail Yes for expressions01:37:06
which it is certain that it has om in it01:37:08
has cut and pasted words01:37:10
deleted sentences has been deleted eh01:37:12
erm expressions changed and the01:37:14
jurisprudence has continued to this day01:37:16
Nothing said about this today, but01:37:19
the procedures have been followed so are01:37:21
consequence so it is lawful Yes and I01:37:24
I have been convicted and have a few weeks01:37:26
imprisoned but everyone who did that case01:37:28
looks at it and sees that it is a criminal01:37:30
organization that falsified evidence01:37:33
and has abused those powers01:37:35
it is clearly established that evidence is not falsified01:37:38
Yes, they falsified evidence01:37:40
cut out sentences in those tweets01:37:43
follow forging that's just01:37:45
manipulated but yes okay that's a Yes01:37:48
but probably have discussion01:37:51
a lot of viewers are very important to me now01:37:52
hate this but I V I look I stand01:37:55
to you I think it's scandalous that you eh01:37:58
I have also defended you01:38:00
I will always continue to do that01:38:01
I just think it's very fundamental01:38:04
point I think it's It's not01:38:08
that that's what they've done in01:38:13
contradicts01:38:15
eh with the procedures themselves only what you01:38:20
just see what's happening here01:38:22
it is at the moment that the power is his01:38:24
no longer maintains its own professional ethics01:38:27
and and and politicized to get yes then01:38:32
of course you can do basically anything01:38:33
condemn that that there we are it01:38:35
I agree, I have also been convicted01:38:37
for something ridiculous I am judged01:38:39
for anti-advancement01:38:41
anti-Semitism because I said that um the the01:38:44
are unvaccinated new Jews and that01:38:46
I that that I so didn't want that we01:38:48
again so J to warn but that is01:38:52
more vo doesn't make sense but I'm going to you01:38:54
don't hear me say yes, that judge01:38:55
are No, that judge, but that judge01:38:57
We know they are very corrupt01:38:58
that judge Yes, you were fooled01:39:01
Open01:39:02
eyes, that's all easy to read01:39:05
fantastis Bo yes go ahead and let his point pass01:39:09
No, one last point he just said01:39:11
those Nations that follow also just knowing01:39:13
law all procedures were neat01:39:15
followed was that lawful eh J Yes it01:39:17
was lawful. Sure was lawful01:39:19
okay then we are just fair01:39:20
was no no no but okay we just have01:39:22
a completely different principle of legality01:39:24
I think I am one01:39:26
legal position Yes, good, but then it is01:39:28
it's just very difficult to discuss01:39:30
wet because because I'm here01:39:31
opposite I think We have after01:39:33
We are born with a number01:39:35
rights where the government with its Fikken01:39:37
should stay away from like freedom from01:39:39
expression is freedom of movement01:39:40
You name it, they don't have anything at all01:39:42
already they are taking votes at 100p of01:39:45
parliament they have one there01:39:46
claws to stay away from and that is my01:39:48
starting point and then you can make laws01:39:49
what you want at the moment you put it on01:39:51
my freedom of speech comes or01:39:52
to my other freedoms then it is01:39:54
unlawful And that is a completely different matter01:39:57
starting point El decides PR natural law01:40:00
every every decision that is contrary to what01:40:02
you think that's what you call that01:40:04
unlawful V we have after the Second01:40:06
World War we have the declaration01:40:09
eh the universal explanation of the01:40:10
had human rights that is01:40:12
recorded after the experiences in the Second01:40:13
World War There are certain rights01:40:15
then the government has to get its act together01:40:17
for example, stay away from integrity01:40:19
of the body The government has not01:40:21
to look for something in your body and there01:40:22
you have to agree in principle together01:40:24
are because if you have those principles01:40:26
If you do not agree, then you lay the ground01:40:29
for a fascist technocratic01:40:31
society that pulverizes Human Rights01:40:34
and no more respect at all01:40:36
has the human basis for this kind of thing01:40:39
dignity, because the human one01:40:40
dignity consists of the collection01:40:42
of those fundamental rights that I am talking about here01:40:44
what I'm talking about is human dignity01:40:46
if you no longer agree, yes01:40:48
then we can also stop everything and01:40:51
democracy in decline what what is happening01:40:54
Yes absolutely I just read something from01:40:55
eh, I can't repeat Aristotle01:40:58
something like that that starts with eh one01:41:02
republic and that becomes one01:41:03
democracy and it degenerates on its own01:41:05
to a eh despotism hm hm No first01:41:09
I think there are also anarchy01:41:11
Nuance differences that now come into play01:41:14
That's good. Yes, it's a good example. Yes01:41:17
you are a purist in the sense01:41:20
of eh eh if the law is followed is01:41:22
it is not unlawful and we say no01:41:24
the law is a derivative of the law and01:41:27
that is laid down in treaties that eh01:41:32
must provide a guarantee that what is in the01:41:33
World War II never happened again01:41:35
can happen So we look a lot more01:41:37
to the ethical part of it um and01:41:40
both schools are possible but I think01:41:43
where is the real core of this argument01:41:47
can be settled, I often hear you say01:41:49
that it's about incompetence and that01:41:52
they probably didn't know and it01:41:54
just did it and I think that01:41:57
is really a disregard of the zeal and01:42:00
the effort they put in for decades01:42:03
have put in to prevent this Coup01:42:05
prepare This is a huge plan where you01:42:08
must respect it And this plan01:42:10
is about creating the latter01:42:13
humans or intensive human farming01:42:15
social Engineering one finds and then has01:42:19
I say it when you ask Whose one is it01:42:22
philanthropists people who have influence01:42:25
Then you come to Klaus sheep kissinger01:42:27
those kinds of figures who think that the01:42:30
man is a plague on the earth that must01:42:33
start to behave differently and there are01:42:35
too much of it and they eat too much and then come01:42:37
you at the the philosophy behind it01:42:40
neomat isae philosophy that that is true01:42:43
this Coup goes completely over neou01:42:47
that's quite a long way01:42:51
Inter01:42:53
interpreter She made that series01:42:55
of five parts of eh Never Again Is01:42:57
Now is Now Global Never Again Is Now01:43:00
Global and Zelenko has even said of it01:43:02
We are all Jews now what the hell D This01:43:05
are both Holocaust survivors in each01:43:07
case Vera shf Vera shf yes yes and that one01:43:10
so recognize those things. Yes, I think so01:43:12
eh also oppressive too but yes I have it01:43:15
with Vera shf also about the rule of law01:43:17
I've had a few interviews with01:43:19
hair done and it's um very good to01:43:21
hear from someone in ukrainian01:43:24
been in a concentration camp. Yeah, uh, what01:43:27
then eh played with it and how with it later01:43:30
was killed Yes and I remember that too01:43:32
she sent me an email completely dismayed01:43:34
sent from a truly anti-Semitic01:43:37
message someone who her uh a dirty one01:43:39
Jew mentioned and she had to do that again01:43:42
not having gassed her was eh01:43:43
terrible and and and that leaves the the01:43:47
seeing ambivalence in such a situation Yes there01:43:50
is anti-Semitism, but the nice thing is that01:43:53
antisemitism is abused by the01:43:55
people who have a political agenda01:43:58
yes, then it will come back again01:44:00
in another guise Yes and and that01:44:03
completely matches what you say01:44:05
eh eh eh actually draw one line eh01:44:09
completely freedom of speech because01:44:11
anything you don't discuss goes01:44:13
underground and I think so too You should01:44:15
you can say anything and you have to01:44:17
can completely disagree with each other01:44:19
are because those who for a moment because you01:44:23
so then uh in that one01:44:25
virus truth eh first virus madness01:44:28
when virus truth dived and I have that01:44:30
you are also internationally eh because01:44:33
you had those contacts with Vera sharaf01:44:35
for example, you never had that before01:44:37
I assume that is correct, yes that is01:44:38
you have you your whole person is in01:44:41
for a short time where where he in April and01:44:44
March was busy writing01:44:46
and examining an er01:44:47
summons I am on Facebook01:44:49
um eh eh I'm going to express myself and I I gave eh01:44:53
dance lessons so I had all over the world01:44:55
people who had lessons with me01:44:57
followed and generally also eh01:44:59
had high educations there01:45:01
there was quite a discussion about the01:45:04
sense and the madness of it and that way01:45:06
Do we actually have a scientific one?01:45:08
Team built up of scientists across01:45:09
the whole world and on yes as as a01:45:12
comet that went like a comet that01:45:14
gone yes yes that was really because we were one01:45:16
of the first they were so fundamental01:45:19
question the story01:45:21
and a lot of people latched on to that01:45:23
and a few groups that we interact with a lot01:45:24
for example, doctors work together01:45:25
covid ethics D an international group01:45:27
scientists but also the group of01:45:29
Robert Kennedy H the Children's Health01:45:30
Defense there are many lawyers and01:45:32
scientists And actually those are the01:45:34
groups we contact worldwide01:45:37
and uh lawsuits and that is still ongoing01:45:39
still on still on every01:45:40
Thursday evening is um are the zooms yes oh01:45:43
yes, okay yes, but that will take a while01:45:46
so what you describe is important01:45:49
um01:45:51
that's what's happening01:45:54
suddenly the resistance formed around eh01:45:58
we agree on some things01:46:00
some things disagree especially about the01:46:02
technical part but substantive01:46:04
we completely agree um um the01:46:06
you started fighting legally but01:46:09
also arose through demonstrations01:46:12
drink coffee mornings and afternoons01:46:14
all kinds of Squares it was in a way01:46:17
besides the greatest crime ever also the01:46:19
biggest sets of movement ever eh and and01:46:21
Huub You were also involved in that01:46:23
and that is also how we relate to each other01:46:25
path have come, that is also a01:46:26
little moment that I looked up in it01:46:28
conversation from H It also has a lot01:46:31
people connected Yes masses01:46:33
yes, well we also have um we have my wife01:46:36
and I also have a lot of new ones01:46:38
friends among whom you Yes they are01:46:41
also real friends because you have somewhere01:46:43
stood for each other even that I now01:46:45
every now and then I'm sure the that01:46:48
you know, that we want this to remain okay01:46:50
well, I think it is somewhere01:46:51
considering it would be a good idea to do that as well01:46:52
let's see, but you discover each other, don't you?01:46:56
discovered You do have one01:46:57
We also have disagreements01:46:59
fundamentally we stand Yes we have01:47:00
all show which True Colors We01:47:02
are Yes, I don't know about that, but you01:47:04
see the truth you want it well01:47:06
striving is for the truth what you01:47:07
soon also said that it is the truth there01:47:10
I don't think anything can beat seeing that01:47:13
you at Kennedy and with you also Er is01:47:15
an there is It's just facts and if01:47:18
you can see that it is becoming a story01:47:19
told that it is so total01:47:21
the opposite is yes that is what to call it01:47:23
Then we just tell the lie, eh. That01:47:26
connects a lot of people all together01:47:27
want that truth and you also saw01:47:29
when that started, what a relief01:47:32
many people were because many people were01:47:34
looking and this Yes and it was a if you01:47:37
Now look back at the [ __ ] pieces. What a01:47:39
shock it on the government side01:47:41
was because this was not Astro turfing H01:47:43
most of these types of action groups01:47:44
are called Z, they come from01:47:46
at the bottom, but they actually become themselves01:47:49
in B but this was a real grassroot01:47:52
organize it from scratch in one go01:47:54
and the government gained enormous momentum01:47:56
was panicking Yes this was not at all01:47:58
script and then you will also see that one01:48:00
really, uh, pulls out all the stops01:48:03
who eh to say that harmlessly01:48:06
about what we had left later but01:48:08
off camera that um I remember that01:48:11
that broadcast was with eh Bo huh That was01:48:14
at Beau Yes and people I knew who01:48:16
were all quite afraid of01:48:18
covid and they said Well there is one01:48:20
guy who was on TV and now there is hope01:48:24
because he indicates it is not at all01:48:27
so bad and you can do this and you can do that01:48:29
I don't know details anymore it was about01:48:31
ventilate over aerosols over HCQ erol01:48:35
that was June 18, 2020 and and and Bo put01:48:38
then thinking something else at the table there01:48:40
he has he has quite for it01:48:43
I suddenly turned pale that late01:48:45
again because you really know what you're talking about01:48:47
regarding the viruses you have01:48:48
trained for that01:48:50
say was almost promoted on it01:48:52
subject of eh transfer of eh01:48:55
viruses via, er, yes, the medium where the Z01:48:58
spread yes yes yes but it is idiotic01:49:00
that all this time you've been sold as the01:49:02
dance teacher huh? I mean the fact that you01:49:04
biomedical practitioner was that is use that was01:49:06
all so you knew you didn't know anything about it01:49:09
because you were only one01:49:10
dance teacher Yes, that's actually it01:49:12
yes and and h was of course minister of01:49:13
Public health Yes Yes, but that's it01:49:17
That's quite special, isn't it?01:49:19
fast while also being very good01:49:21
dancing that no one knows if your shoes01:49:24
then sees Yes, those are exactly those shoes01:49:26
good Yes, he is a great man of course01:49:28
yes no but but that hope and that01:49:31
agglomeration and far information and01:49:33
security service ahok and that is then01:49:36
map everyone out and finish01:49:38
start tapping and writing screenplays01:49:40
um and we were the first subject of it01:49:43
so that's been a um a nice honor01:49:46
yes, that dangerous one. Yes, really01:49:47
warfare against its own population01:49:49
and we War were the first target01:49:51
that is IND that is very important01:49:53
point, I think, because that is the01:49:54
boring on Yes and that is so we know01:49:56
each other through Corona in fact01:50:00
next is the first book we01:50:02
have done together You have it01:50:03
of course I translated it as01:50:04
editor a little guide the uh the01:50:07
the tapes and the stories of John Mcy01:50:10
a fantastic book I still am01:50:11
very proud that we can publish that01:50:12
with incredible story incredible01:50:14
story and John mavy was so interesting01:50:17
among other things very interesting man very01:50:18
done a lot of things in his life01:50:20
partly because he was already in the 00s01:50:22
worked for the secret services01:50:24
and among other things has worked yes yes one01:50:28
black operation or an er well one01:50:30
Ultra secret boring Ops so the whole idea01:50:32
that you so that some secret services01:50:35
have to do Yes of course uh occasionally01:50:37
do you have to blow up a bridge or an or01:50:40
one or weapons weapon systems steal with01:50:43
microf as in James Bond but on one01:50:45
shoot the president, yes or no01:50:48
mention of organizing a moon landing01:50:50
they're also just um um the the the the01:50:53
the core business actually and that's it01:50:56
in the whole story of John mfy from eh01:50:59
secret services and uh I uh assume01:51:03
that secret services01:51:05
actually be the constant Factor in the01:51:07
power so when we talk about the deep01:51:09
State Then we're actually talking about01:51:10
the bureaucracy and the secret services01:51:12
and they have uh uh people who are01:51:14
maybe 20 30 years in one position and01:51:16
they really have an overview and their Core01:51:19
business is is manipulation of it01:51:22
narrative Yes, so How is it going to be01:51:25
large parts of the population thought01:51:27
about a particular subject can be about01:51:31
for example communism h Well we know01:51:34
that eh for example eh after the Second01:51:36
World War there all kinds of paramilitary01:51:39
units in Europe have remained behind01:51:41
American-driven option01:51:44
operation gladio eh with the assignment to01:51:47
to commit attacks in the name of01:51:49
communist So volx this is not01:51:51
conspiracy This is the extended It is01:51:54
It's a conspiracy, but it isn't one01:51:55
conspiracy01:51:58
theory has been very successful, but to the01:52:01
population, so to speak, to the right01:52:03
move to the right to move so the01:52:06
the manipulation on a large scale of the01:52:07
population for a certain uh yes01:52:11
uh ideas so to speak and uh that is01:52:15
actually only more so since then01:52:16
extended so the sapop the psychological01:52:19
operation the manipulation of it01:52:21
narrative has only increased since then01:52:23
happened and I think that's what we do too01:52:26
seen with Corona that eh everyone01:52:30
whichever country spoke the same language01:52:32
same words used same um01:52:35
things also said of it's not the flu01:52:38
word actually became flu01:52:39
criminalized if you say that about flu01:52:41
then it was actually like, oh yes, flu01:52:43
definitely flu flu Eh and that was allowed01:52:46
don't you know if you said that then you became01:52:47
laughed at so there were things that01:52:49
were not allowed to do things that were allowed01:52:51
it was the same everywhere, crazy, very crazy and that01:52:53
narrative it looked exactly the same and01:52:55
there that's what I think um that's what I think of the the De01:52:58
Crime h hm eh that's a manipulation01:53:01
been of free thinking and therefore01:53:05
are you or are you also like that?01:53:06
criminalized Me too We are01:53:08
demonized because what we did Um and01:53:12
I certainly think that is a heroic act for you01:53:15
that is going against that and that is also01:53:19
where why did that become so threatening01:53:22
experienced because that is eh threatening for the01:53:26
government yes for for the for the01:53:28
narrators of the narrative because the01:53:30
the one who says the Emperor has none01:53:32
clothes on uh that one word of freedom01:53:36
that you speak eh that brings everyone01:53:39
suddenly tottering so on it01:53:41
moment when everyone says the same thing01:53:43
no one doubts but if someone from the01:53:44
When you step in line, strange things happen01:53:47
happen and I think it's true É01:53:50
of the two of you just said that no one01:53:51
took this into account in that sense01:53:53
held I personally think that the people who01:53:57
policy at national level01:53:59
implement eh yes I work with it every day01:54:02
I look into those glassy eyes01:54:07
doesn't make sense to me in that sense01:54:09
I am convinced by Ralph's vision that01:54:12
these are people who are very conscious of it01:54:14
lie and be conscious of the I I think01:54:17
that it is from a much higher level01:54:19
is inserted and then falls01:54:22
that those people think Oh okay yes I have01:54:24
just had a uh confidential briefing01:54:25
at d and that and then they are very bad01:54:27
impressed by the grandeur of that01:54:29
specific person and then they think Oh01:54:31
that will probably be the case and then it will be01:54:34
they were aware of their important role01:54:36
in world history then they will01:54:38
just do it and those people who think01:54:39
no more about that at all01:54:41
after and and and and and a half years later01:54:44
you know, there's something different about it01:54:45
the hand there is a war in Ukraine and01:54:47
then there is another war somewhere else01:54:49
and then they can go back to Business Class01:54:50
flying somewhere busy busy busy01:54:52
you know, their life is eh, full of it01:54:56
Never a d moment I think that is that is01:54:59
the level of the people who serve us01:55:00
management There is unfortunately not much left01:55:03
behind but the people behind it exactly01:55:06
they had not counted on people like01:55:09
ours is right no and I think we have that01:55:12
certainly also in the Netherlands Bobby Kennedy01:55:14
I also think that's a hero, that's also in01:55:15
America is an exception01:55:17
people have stood up in places01:55:19
Yes, and they have friends and enemies01:55:22
but surprised eh but that's more like it01:55:25
international level01:55:26
National level at National level01:55:28
they just thought Those guys, come on01:55:31
just all of us going into Lockdown whining01:55:33
not like that and and you know That was more01:55:36
yes, while I still have eh hey we01:55:38
then discussed something about I have01:55:40
then said of Rutte who was wrong01:55:42
at some point in a unique one01:55:43
circumstance It was a good01:55:45
Seen Prime Minister of van hè had been for a long time01:55:48
in in his position It was really one of01:55:50
the seniors of Europe Who had in his01:55:53
one he had that whole development01:55:55
can steer in the other direction, but that's fine01:55:56
Of course he was selected for that01:55:58
don't do that, but there were some01:56:02
few people who were in a position that01:56:03
theoretically, the whole thing is completely different01:56:06
could have steered in that direction, yes, because01:56:07
about the one you were just talking about01:56:08
officials in that system Look there were01:56:10
also civil servants within that system01:56:12
They saw that it wasn't possible, right?01:56:14
know, for example, about those eh civil servants01:56:16
of the Ministry of Economic Affairs01:56:18
who also made a cost-benefit analysis01:56:20
We've got it very early01:56:21
about early April all who knew So this01:56:24
That's not possible, but they gobble themselves up01:56:26
dead on the reaction You know who thought01:56:28
we I just do my job Yes that quality01:56:30
analysis then yes exactly yes so um I do01:56:34
my work and in one go it was01:56:35
criminal to do your job because that01:56:37
they were scared to death, so those people01:56:39
are also very quickly back in01:56:42
loft but I was I was uh of it01:56:44
weekend in er Hungary because er my01:56:48
book about the corona period is there eh01:56:50
translated and to everyone's surprise01:56:52
including my own it is there01:56:54
a bestseller, how nice, so it is01:56:56
there in all eh in shop windows and so on01:56:59
I also come there to the countryside or01:57:00
not to countryside but just cities01:57:02
outside Budapest with with the spend01:57:05
not, but then Rijt is such a car01:57:07
so goes in the way and so so I get there01:57:10
completely full of people and so me01:57:13
starts talking those people speak01:57:14
of course not a word of English is01:57:15
someone else next to in Hungarian that01:57:17
a little to translate I think no idea01:57:19
what is said but they found it01:57:21
it's nice to read a book afterwards, eh01:57:23
it must be signed in block letters01:57:25
They must indicate their name with a note01:57:27
report me because my name is murua I01:57:31
think What's your name, it just turns out01:57:32
to be m a r i a Just Maria01:57:35
they say it very strangely01:57:37
very special language very special language01:57:38
very nice people by the way. I have one01:57:40
had a fantastic time, but what did I say?01:57:42
what struck me was that there was someone who01:57:43
said yes, it's all new to you01:57:46
but we have experienced communism Yes01:57:49
and in communism it was so01:57:51
doctors Lawyers you know civil servants01:57:55
he teachers journalists people on the01:57:58
university There was quite a list01:58:00
I think I have a few now01:58:01
I forgot categories but it was like this01:58:03
quite a few, they all went along with it01:58:06
dispossession of people deportations it01:58:10
it erasing news items it01:58:12
changing of01:58:14
eh historical eh data photos01:58:18
retouched and f Yes, but all that01:58:20
kind of then came a whole list01:58:22
hall I think it was a woman from01:58:24
probably about 60 years old or so01:58:26
daughter of someone who eh too01:58:28
had fought at that time Yes and what I01:58:31
I found it very moving01:58:32
of course not that language so it had to be done01:58:33
all have to be translated again, but that01:58:35
you come to another country and you tell01:58:37
your story and uh we fought and01:58:39
I already felt connected in a way01:58:41
with those people because they have that too01:58:43
experienced and stuff but I actually had01:58:45
the feeling of what we are in the Netherlands01:58:47
also spoiled Yes and uh naive and and and me01:58:52
I almost felt guilty, just saying01:58:53
there are so many intense things going on01:58:55
have experienced history01:58:56
Hungary and we actually don't01:58:59
relatively less is much less in the Netherlands01:59:01
Of course it was a good day after all01:59:03
1945 they still have 40 years there01:59:06
had totalitarianism then and first01:59:08
the the The uprising uh Hungarian uprising01:59:11
1956 Yes, terrible history. Really01:59:15
oppression Americans They did nothing01:59:17
right, because they would first say Well01:59:19
We will help you. No, yes, well01:59:21
no, no, no, everyone, eh, daddy01:59:23
poof but eh so also the eh how relative01:59:28
It's actually easy in UE01:59:31
a whole uh state apparatus a whole01:59:33
social apparatus01:59:35
Yes, so all those doctors who participated. All01:59:39
Lawyers participated all that that was it01:59:41
point of that that that woman says yes you01:59:43
describes something that was, uh, new01:59:45
for you for us it was not new and01:59:47
and that is why you book it also relatively01:59:49
does well here because of what they liked01:59:51
if I was the only one who has01:59:53
outspoken against Corona while she01:59:55
she said late that she also had some left over01:59:57
communism can go as it is01:59:59
same story This is what I mean by and02:00:02
I was really just moved by that02:00:04
story Yes in another language and I looked02:00:06
I touched her and the translation came like this02:00:08
inside I said So wow Yes [ __ ] and02:00:11
communism which was intense social02:00:13
Engineering and that response that you02:00:15
experienced that proves that point that this02:00:17
again the next megaloman group02:00:20
people whom society wants to mold02:00:23
yes but eh yes No indeed It's just02:00:27
so that is also something because of communism02:00:29
was of course also something that yes, I dare02:00:32
the claim that even the secretary02:00:34
general of the Communist Party02:00:36
uh02:00:38
moscow actually had no power hm hm02:00:42
it was the KGB that rande h it was02:00:46
the huh Yes, you know that much better than that02:00:48
uh we're all at the table here I think02:00:50
I but you now know but I I02:00:53
I doubt that so or so there is no eh02:00:55
had no power, well, he's down too02:00:58
you want to say He is of course also sitting02:01:00
cannot go against certain forces02:01:02
h but not the other way around either, so yes, well02:01:04
at the moment that Gorbachev said that02:01:06
eh guys eh that's not how we're going to deal with02:01:09
each other ended immediately02:01:11
just tell the Gorbachev's side02:01:14
yes that was at one point02:01:16
Did you get that cold against Gorbachev? Yes02:01:18
because he went very far in his openness02:01:20
and that yes, that is actually it02:01:23
was the beginning of the end02:01:25
of course yes, but that's what I mean02:01:26
say so from the perspective of the02:01:28
power yes yes yes it is02:01:30
all very brittle and if you deal with that02:01:33
story is being impregnated as02:01:35
if anyone from the yes if anyone from02:01:37
the secret service comes to you, you02:01:39
are Prime Minister of the Netherlands yes and you say02:01:42
okay yes you may be right02:01:44
Mr. Rutte, imagine that that happens02:01:45
would be Mr. Rutte You are right02:01:47
actually the one that B actually has02:01:50
The content is the same, of course, isn't it?02:01:51
see you too, Mr. Rutte, you love it too02:01:53
of classical music You like that boy02:01:54
Well, he's actually right, right? Yes02:01:56
He's actually right. Yes, but02:01:57
If you're going to say that, you know what happens02:01:59
happens Oh yes, branch, branch, branch, branch02:02:01
tak e you want you want that the whole world02:02:03
in chaos from one mouth no you want that in02:02:05
the book by eh McAfee, right? Yes, but02:02:07
there it says exactly that I know02:02:09
exactly Mr02:02:11
President Yes, but that look if we02:02:13
to be serious about what happened back then02:02:15
happened then I think you have to deal with that02:02:18
type of scenario to take into account02:02:20
Hm hm I was in contact with with at that time02:02:22
uh Trump's closest associate and02:02:24
Trump then got, uh, covid, I don't know02:02:27
if you remember that Trump got02:02:28
covid Yes and Trump who said eh It's02:02:31
It's Don't Don't Let it eh dominate your02:02:34
life it's like the flu that kind of thing02:02:37
he was saying then you got it02:02:38
themselves and eh eh the employees who wanted to02:02:43
that he would uh the zelenko protocol02:02:45
so take hydroxy grine and itin machine02:02:48
no ait machine02:02:51
hydroxyl and vitamin C and D that was it02:02:53
zelen i m Okay then uh one of the two02:02:56
but he she wanted him anyway02:02:58
among other things, HCQ would take yes yes and02:03:01
fauci wanted him to take brake D C402:03:04
So it was a dead end exercise02:03:07
I still have apps from that time02:03:09
someone in the white house of no no the02:03:11
RD C4 is concerned. We'll have it right away02:03:13
taken from his desk and this that02:03:15
I mean at that level that battle became02:03:17
fed is unbelievable yes but and then02:03:19
it came so I said give that guy a minute02:03:21
as soon as possible hcq you know give it to me02:03:24
MC and um and he then went to Military02:03:27
Hospital It was quite a02:03:28
special choice I still remember that02:03:29
that was in the news a lot because it was02:03:31
also the question Yes as if as um as Trump02:03:33
there lies From who will then come to him02:03:36
and when he sleeps what happens And02:03:38
who guards him because it was good then02:03:39
quite an exciting time. You had a lot02:03:42
opposition to him and then it went from02:03:44
Yes, but if he now openly takes hzq i02:03:48
matine over Well then the doctors go02:03:51
if they turn against him then you have it02:03:53
now have eight senators who then h02:03:56
support cancel this so you have on a02:03:57
at some point and that is02:03:59
a bit like the Ralf teas02:04:02
you are dealing with a species02:04:04
um itself mammoth tanker of some sort02:04:07
kind kind of something of there's there's so many02:04:09
interests and there are so many people and Ron02:04:11
the santis had done something and he had02:04:13
done something and the governor of Texas02:04:15
he didn't want that and everyone was on É02:04:18
somehow impc you can't02:04:20
exercise more and that is natural02:04:23
also called Unless you just have enormous courage02:04:26
have courage now unless Yes, but then that is02:04:28
That borders on recklessness because you02:04:30
also just the consequences are then and02:04:33
reckless Yes exactly Kennedy said that02:04:35
Jack too, eh, so the president, yes02:04:38
He said eh02:04:39
eh JFK h Yes about secrecy is eh The Very02:04:44
word secrecy is repugnant eh He was02:04:47
tasks Secret oath Secret handshakes eh02:04:49
eh He suddenly turned against everything02:04:52
against secret societies And he would02:04:54
the CIA into a thousand pieces er02:04:57
drop Yeah but this is this goes02:04:59
further than just that because these are too02:05:01
eh there were just a lot of people eh02:05:04
in in in among the the the voters of02:05:07
Trump Yes where people had died02:05:10
without HCQ and without ivermectin with02:05:13
Randy cv4 with breathing apparatus So02:05:15
At some point you also have your seat02:05:16
in a kind of pada dependence Yes yes02:05:19
that's right. And in that sense I am more02:05:21
became ralva then eh he didn't come02:05:25
one way but one closes the other02:05:26
no matter that I think we should be good02:05:27
realization is both a machination that02:05:30
is what you're talking about as a02:05:31
conspiracy Namely a group02:05:32
conspirators Yes and that machination02:05:35
is very important to the narrative02:05:37
stabilize but the narrative guides02:05:40
not themselves there is really a group02:05:42
conspiracy paradox02:05:48
that together Do you have that mapped? We have02:05:50
There's a lot mapped out there. Do you want one?02:05:52
list of Nam and the Netherlands02:05:54
well Or do you think we are in trouble02:05:58
come up with the broadcast the think tank Well02:06:02
yes, we have a group then02:06:05
then you come to eh Diks schof Auersberg eh02:06:08
akerboom er Wijnen er Rob bauwer er02:06:14
Patricia zorko and so on we can still do02:06:16
go out and almost all of them are out02:06:18
intelligence services from uh the top of02:06:20
er of er military device er02:06:24
There are many national police and such02:06:26
you then see the carousel the connecting02:06:28
eh eh spinning wheel is the general one02:06:30
administrative department D are the ho De Hoge02:06:33
bureaucracy committed the Coup in02:06:35
The Netherlands and they have the power, but that one02:06:37
are controlled power the the power02:06:39
power controlled by dhs and02:06:42
the States, etc., but they also have it02:06:45
and I look at what I think happened02:06:48
is02:06:49
that's that since 911 there's been a lot of them02:06:53
scenario planning was done on a02:06:56
a lot of topics so what do we do if02:06:59
a pandemic breaks out What do we do?02:07:01
if aliens come what do we do if02:07:03
Russia invades Ukraine What do we do02:07:05
if uh China takes Taiwan What do we do if02:07:08
eh always scenario from the02:07:10
Gaza Strip a terrorist attack02:07:12
takes place in Israel What do we do if it02:07:14
xij Z I think that and and and yes continued02:07:18
that that is every year Yes and those scenarios02:07:20
are becoming increasingly fine-grained No that that02:07:23
that will be there at some point02:07:25
scripts there and then smell is all you need02:07:26
this to happen No there There was there was one02:07:29
contingency plan, right? There was also a plan02:07:31
er epidemic and the everything that has been done02:07:34
wasn't in the plan huh so da da02:07:37
has been adjusted. No, I believe that too02:07:39
Yes, I believe that too. Yes, they already have those02:07:40
things that were already there were therefore ignored and02:07:43
then have that thing from Dark winter02:07:44
just taken uh plan that respected02:07:49
namely that basic freedom, right?02:07:51
from that's it and uh it was in Germany02:07:54
it's the same, we already have that02:07:55
asked that plan next to what she put02:07:57
have done that plan is um that is02:08:00
never there, there they never wanted it02:08:02
because that's logical02:08:03
Oh we have a pandemic now We have02:08:05
There is a plan for that. Yes, but you02:08:06
gets under panic anyway you get has02:08:08
repression has so much more charm than that02:08:11
people tend to I understand02:08:13
well better that for example fui also and and02:08:15
and from disel H Hm not that it's nice02:08:18
boys are just that who said of02:08:20
when it just started you have face masks02:08:23
really nothing to it No, because follow that one02:08:25
didn't know there should be a protocol02:08:26
being pushed through with No boy, that has to be done02:08:28
you can't tell me that you have to anymore02:08:30
well, so those are people who just02:08:33
in an innocence they are not innocent02:08:36
but said No, but that's how I see them02:08:38
all those things that don't work No suddenly02:08:40
they had to at some level02:08:41
are they also useful idiots? Yes and they are02:08:44
they had opinions and they have them02:08:45
she even voiced that afterwards again02:08:47
had to withdraw and02:08:50
yeah, never had that, so yeah, that was it02:08:53
those face masks were the best example02:08:55
of course at ho there is by whom02:08:58
adjusted by those secret services and02:09:01
and there is plenty of evidence of that02:09:03
curfew that was already in place in August 202002:09:06
he was prepared and then you see02:09:07
all pieces cat house consultation MCC02:09:10
consultation of which Auersberg is the chairman02:09:12
and then they are busy having something02:09:15
we need for the curfew and when02:09:16
we are going to enter it and then it becomes02:09:18
actually the rvm on his jacket02:09:20
drawn from Will you write one?02:09:22
report And then you see the02:09:24
mutual communication with Pels02:09:27
rich people like Yes what what the rvm02:09:29
has written, that is of no use to us02:09:31
We don't get any further that way. We have02:09:32
more needed and and and through all that piece can02:09:35
you can put together puzzles quite well02:09:38
how exactly those lines are02:09:39
I mean the NCTV that wrote02:09:42
What measures should be taken and02:09:44
there it had to be about eh Or he gave that02:09:46
then eh formally an eh appropriate advice02:09:49
exactly yes02:09:52
yes, and that's why we get that advice02:09:55
at least those, er, those conversation reports02:09:57
not because they never have that consideration02:10:00
considerations They only have02:10:01
those Yes and and whatever happens regularly02:10:03
occurs, for example, if you over02:10:05
the vaccines or injections reads from it02:10:08
cbg internal Do they really have them there?02:10:11
heated discussions were held. Because if there were...02:10:13
then pieces are edited from eh02:10:15
this would affect international relations02:10:17
of the Netherlands damage in a conversation of02:10:21
the CBG Hm yes, those are very remarkable02:10:24
things and of course there are also02:10:25
We still have whistleblowers02:10:27
people talk about the rvm and eh and the02:10:29
health council uh here in Amsterdam uh02:10:32
we have visited once and02:10:33
they also explained what it was like there02:10:35
goes and and eh that they also very much02:10:38
are surprised and that they do not agree with it02:10:40
so there is a lot of resistance02:10:43
within the civil service and that is ours02:10:45
biggest asset is a research previous02:10:47
year it turned out that more than 50 of02:10:49
the civil servants have ethical objections02:10:52
with what they have to perform and02:10:55
Why? Because in a dictatorship there would be...02:10:57
no [ __ ] requests are or no no eh02:10:59
wover reports Why does that still work?02:11:03
those in power must put all those people in it02:11:06
government apparatus02:11:07
and then you get to that one02:11:09
procedural justice What is the02:11:11
function of supervision Yes to all those02:11:13
officials choose to keep it and say so02:11:15
We're going to do it properly, right? We have to02:11:18
procedurally it has to be right and then02:11:20
can we move on and I don't think that02:11:22
I think that's already gone too far02:11:26
eh truth eh has seeped through and that02:11:29
those officials know perfectly well that something02:11:31
they don't act from any side, so that's right02:11:34
you are optimistic ultimately I I02:11:35
am optimistic in that narrative02:11:38
crashes and that it's going to fail I'm02:11:41
pessimistic about how long it will last02:11:43
last and how much damage is involved02:11:44
yield you have the question hm I see one02:11:48
question Yes, it is like that all the time oh02:11:51
Sorry02:11:52
eh yes Oh you have that there too No I see02:11:55
all the time time in in the image of the02:11:56
editors because they think we should02:11:58
round it off, but I think so02:11:59
interesting conversation but i'm faith02:12:00
I'm the only one I see you all the time too02:12:02
look a bit because yes, I have that feeling02:12:04
that we are very fundamental02:12:06
having a conversation but uh definitely uh I me02:12:09
don't want to be the only one who eh02:12:11
everyone's time is eh stealing eh02:12:14
but I still want maybe one more02:12:15
question and then we'll get to the point of02:12:17
what he actually wants you to talk about02:12:19
moving to Paraguay and so on there02:12:20
have to have left and then you can still02:12:22
say a few words of wisdom about moves02:12:23
America Because that's basically it02:12:25
today's main topic02:12:27
but do you believe because I believe02:12:30
you don't believe that, but you believe it02:12:32
than that there are people in the Netherlands02:12:36
at the Dutch level and all that02:12:37
names you mentioned that actually02:12:40
Willfully and02:12:42
Knowingly having a deception02:12:47
carried out and I don't believe that02:12:49
only that I know that have that there02:12:52
we have enough pieces for above water02:12:54
Meanwhile, yes, there are a lot of them there02:12:57
one Good example of to us02:12:59
convince Well, those pieces about the02:13:02
curfew they knew all those people Pels02:13:06
Rijk is a good example02:13:07
law firm has of course very02:13:09
had a lot of contact not only with it02:13:12
rvm but also with vws and with the nzv and02:13:15
it's about so they are a bit02:13:18
the one who knows everything02:13:20
We have lawsuits very often02:13:22
things raised uh uh on George02:13:26
herring house is a good example D is the02:13:27
lawyer from the rvm um we have02:13:30
regularly asked yes, we want that02:13:32
reports have Yes, they do not exist02:13:34
next right I said Oh yes they exist02:13:36
yes, but they are there and there and they02:13:38
cannot yet be released and02:13:40
gradually we found out that he02:13:41
has really lied about everything and02:13:43
that judge has it all in mind02:13:46
sweet cake face lawsuit to law02:13:47
lawsuit and it can all be seen02:13:50
it can all be read like this02:13:52
someone who really has everything loose there02:13:57
and get stuck lying on orders then in02:13:59
assignment Yes and and provable he says02:14:02
that report doesn't exist next time02:14:04
right Well, for example, this was about the02:14:07
ring tests and validation02:14:08
investigating the PCR test that we require02:14:11
asked if the omt reports or the the02:14:14
the k one example and I already have eight02:14:18
half examples, give one whole02:14:20
example one example of02:14:22
actual conscious deception Yes, that PCR02:14:26
validation report there George has02:14:28
herringhuizen lawsuit after lawsuit02:14:30
claimed there are none who is George02:14:32
herringhuizen that is the lawyer of it02:14:34
rvm okay He has claimed in one in one02:14:36
witness interview behind Sting ofo hey Yes02:14:38
he was there as an expert at the02:14:41
lawsuit said of Incidentally that02:14:43
there was always someone involved in lawsuits02:14:44
nctv in the back of the courtroom, right? That is02:14:46
remarkable if we have a VWS one02:14:48
have lawsuit that said No that are02:14:51
not there then we had something upstairs again02:14:53
got water Yes, but what is this02:14:54
what what what wasn't there which ones are there the02:14:56
validation report of the PCR test because the02:14:59
PCR test is made in the Netherlands Adam02:15:01
Meijer uh that's the the the the lap PCR02:15:04
test just exists, you can02:15:07
just those sequences02:15:08
run the but if you have a test02:15:11
who is new you have to prove that he02:15:13
works and that is called validation and02:15:15
and you can verify that on a02:15:16
analytical way in a clinical02:15:18
way Well we have a lot there02:15:20
asked questions about it and say if you02:15:22
you should use that test02:15:24
have the data that proves that test02:15:26
adequate who can do what you say02:15:28
that he does what he demonstrates and what he02:15:30
shows well that's a very good thing02:15:33
example He first says it exists02:15:35
not then reluctantly comes anyway02:15:37
a publication later with that [ __ ]02:15:39
requests, there will be as many as five reports02:15:41
above water which is exactly our point02:15:43
shows that this test has02:15:45
clinically no value whatsoever It is02:15:48
just a lab test and that02:15:49
he knew at the time that he was lying, so yes02:15:52
because he had all those02:15:55
reports I don't understand this Do you understand this02:15:58
Car Mullis has also said no but02:16:00
that goes much further, you can do everything there02:16:01
prove with T scammer that he has VM02:16:04
instructed him to uh those reports under02:16:06
to keep it ped Yes because he if he02:16:08
the whole thing would come to the surface02:16:10
PCR Test in falling into the water and would02:16:12
actually all measures in the water02:16:14
falling Yes, that was also the case with eh Mark02:16:17
best we have been or something Eh lies on02:16:20
quite wants to exist in this eh not Yes she02:16:22
thought Well okay It's a new virus02:16:24
we but what is that drosten eh that one02:16:27
Drosten has it Sam really is this one02:16:29
Korman Koopmans and the entire RVM and02:16:33
Erasmus, he made that paper right02:16:35
it was about how to take the test02:16:38
use or do I say the traffic that was02:16:39
taking the test and then had to02:16:41
which can still be validated per lap02:16:44
That's it. And can that test do it now?02:16:46
Do you have all the protocols that you have?02:16:47
follows to look and with with eh eh um02:16:50
uh positive control negative control02:16:53
yeah um so you add all kinds of other things02:16:56
viruses, etc. before it becomes a thing02:16:58
You have to have a very technical story02:16:59
prove that the test works correctly before02:17:01
you can use it they have it02:17:04
tested and what came out was you can do it02:17:06
don't use it and yet they have it02:17:08
used and said We have the02:17:11
validation reports are not and that is02:17:12
two blatant lies that if they02:17:14
If we had given in then we would have one02:17:16
had a completely different scenario No and for that one02:17:19
That's why he didn't admit it then02:17:20
they thought yes, that will work then02:17:22
of course wrong Z would fall over then yes yes02:17:24
yes and then you can get a lug Jon if you want02:17:26
In a sense it is like that when you get there02:17:28
are convinced that whatever it is with02:17:30
that PCR test this is a02:17:31
life-threatening situation h if you do that02:17:33
I actually don't have any convictions02:17:35
No, but good if that test is bad02:17:37
works, then you would also be very much cheating02:17:39
No No, I understand that, but if you go in02:17:41
that is in that stream of thoughts then you want02:17:43
So they have all those test streets there02:17:45
so they arranged because uh those reports02:17:48
there were already exactly those in May02:17:50
Made 2020 yes yes but then all those come02:17:52
and later there are more reports02:17:54
made and they were all the same02:17:55
see Yes This test is not clinical02:17:58
relevant Yes Yes correct clear okay02:18:02
Yes02:18:04
okay, so the RIVM has someone after it02:18:09
put forward and Wallinga has it02:18:12
van Dissel Suzan van het Hof George02:18:15
herring houses and as I can PR I can02:18:18
mention almost all the names of the people02:18:19
who will one day have to go before a tribunal02:18:23
appear but who is a tribunal02:18:25
just a court is a very normal thing02:18:26
word but so they have02:18:30
uh one one one that02:18:33
have occurred02:18:36
as if there was much more evidence02:18:40
so that there was much more clarity02:18:43
about what Corona was and how you got it02:18:45
could test then what was actually that02:18:47
that's that's what it is Look then it becomes02:18:51
they lied about the test being possible02:18:53
what he could and they lied about it02:18:55
the evidence about that that he could that he02:18:58
So they could claim something and say it02:19:01
where how do you come to that and say yes that02:19:03
is like that, can I see the proof? No, that02:19:05
is not there even though it couldn't be what they did02:19:08
could do what they claimed and that02:19:10
there was evidence that they didn't02:19:13
Yes they could, they also lied about that02:19:16
that you could make a diag like that02:19:18
while it was clear that you didn't02:19:20
could do that and yes if you take those lawsuits02:19:23
When you look back you only see one02:19:25
mountain of lies Go to that vaccination02:19:26
business, we're all going again02:19:29
another topic Well this one02:19:30
subject because D is for Yes, but you can02:19:33
also see a pattern everywhere and then02:19:35
just eh02:19:46
circumstances That is a well-known Chinese02:19:48
proverb for someone who is paranoid02:19:50
oh yes, but Eh This this this is02:19:54
for me this is this is this find this is02:19:56
new and I think this is a hard point and this is02:19:58
also something in the parliamentary inquiry02:20:00
then, for example, if it really is the case02:20:01
is real So RIVM has Willingly and Knowingly02:20:06
Are you saying that the RIVM has Willens and02:20:08
People knowingly put that forward02:20:11
claimed that we could eh Corona02:20:15
testing with those with those things with those02:20:17
PCR test while that eh according to the de02:20:21
rules of the medical tests themselves do not02:20:24
That's how your statement was correct and02:20:27
we have everything there. That's big02:20:29
news This is if that is really the case We02:20:31
have been working on this kind of thing for four years02:20:33
this is the first time i have done this02:20:35
clearly I knew of course that PCR02:20:37
tests on its own depending on the02:20:39
sequences can in fact do anything02:20:41
prove that you also eh eh eh the the the the02:20:45
to put the plague into someone, so to speak02:20:47
can find it if you do it often enough02:20:49
it just reproduces what I didn't know02:20:52
So according to you, that was hard02:20:54
proof would be that it02:20:56
So RIVM lied in court02:21:00
under Eden on well not under not02:21:03
under Eden but in court Yes02:21:05
about the presence of02:21:07
validation report yes well well another one eh02:21:11
example not another no no no no02:21:12
no, just stick with this example02:21:14
The example is too clear what is what02:21:15
unclear about then and then you can think02:21:17
that one of our viewers knew this Yes02:21:19
I think that's a lot. Yes, yes that02:21:21
I really think Yes, that's the great thing about it02:21:22
all those that's the beauty of all those02:21:24
lawsuits that lie all everything lies02:21:25
Surely everything is documented02:21:28
if it ever comes to tribunals02:21:30
eh, everything is probably also the added one02:21:34
value of all those lawsuits because a lot02:21:36
people say yes they have dozens02:21:37
lawsuits are all lost02:21:39
I, yes, but that's why those issues lie02:21:41
all fixed yes eh and if you have a02:21:43
That doesn't mean losing the lawsuit02:21:45
that so all further evidence is gone, no02:21:47
No, then all the arguments are there02:21:49
and lying against it is also beautiful02:21:51
with that vaccination thing if you02:21:53
looking back at 2021, every word in that one02:21:56
summons state state all still one02:21:59
home and you can now look back at 202102:22:02
was all that was now slowly coming out02:22:04
comes what is confirmed was already stated then02:22:06
fixed and shedding that day if you have it02:22:08
reads everything was already eh was already known02:22:11
everything Yes yes yes also the fact that02:22:14
for example, it had never been tested02:22:18
transmission Yes to name a few first02:22:21
day of stronger we argue it is02:22:24
is used in conflict with the02:22:26
permit, because it is only allowed02:22:28
be used to protect yourself02:22:30
and not to protect others just for the sake of it02:22:32
to name something that was quite02:22:33
important point in that lawsuit and that02:22:34
Then years later it becomes big02:22:36
brought news No it was part02:22:38
of that lawsuit Yes, but there are02:22:39
Of course I also have a lot of things02:22:40
already read that one, but only that one02:22:42
group indeed again of those people who02:22:44
have followed it all hm hm for so long02:22:46
it was all still on the internet, but that was possible02:22:47
Fortunately, so many things were02:22:50
known and you are completely in it02:22:51
lawsuit and you know it from that side02:22:53
it's the other lar who knew about it02:22:56
They estimated in advance that it would come02:22:59
maximum eh 16,000 eh eh reports of02:23:02
side effects That was an estimate and02:23:04
they have that estimate they have02:23:05
made at the time based on the02:23:07
experiences with the Mexican flu02:23:10
That's really on the high side02:23:12
report also in May 2020 they have the02:23:14
estimate G exactly and we have that02:23:16
also used in02:23:18
and uh when we had that lawsuit02:23:19
there were already hundreds of thousands of reports02:23:21
so a a a multiple and so that you02:23:24
asks yes, but how is that possible?02:23:25
you estimate this is the number of notifications02:23:27
no deaths were predicted, right? But there02:23:29
we assumed 600 serious side effects02:23:32
that was that was the idea And we're sitting now02:23:34
at what is it eh 20,000 or so Yes already02:23:37
those kinds of points were discussed at the time02:23:39
it's all been done02:23:40
documented so if it ever happened eh until02:23:42
uh lawsuits coming against the02:23:45
perpetrators nice, eh? Because indeed a lot of it02:23:48
It is unclear to many people what is happening02:23:49
now going on weighing has become clear and02:23:51
You also often hear Yes as an argument02:23:52
with the knowledge of then02:23:55
and so on and the beauty of that one02:23:57
that kind of eh eh from that piece by J with02:23:59
The name is that you already record what is there02:24:02
um what was known at the time um and that is02:24:05
not known at all so um so late02:24:08
become no and beautiful is that is the02:24:09
collaboration between all of them02:24:11
scientists huh so we have all those02:24:13
information bundled I never had that in02:24:14
I could do it on my own, but I got it02:24:16
Give it a minute, eh, all that information is02:24:19
brought together and that still has02:24:21
always that one02:24:25
summons like a rock and uh last three02:24:29
years there are no really new facts there02:24:31
arrived so it was high confirmation02:24:33
For example, it is gene therapy02:24:35
that it is experimental eh that it eh02:24:38
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imperforate for Hill criteria are not02:24:46
followed It's all there Yes02:24:49
February 2020 or 2021 we are talking about02:24:51
then yes yes yes yes that is02:24:54
um but you are now Yes well okay this02:24:57
we'll just have to keep going again02:24:59
the parliamentary inquiry because this02:25:01
story of um, this is coming, isn't it?02:25:03
story of the eh of the PCR test is02:25:05
really new to me. And it is02:25:07
first thing i heard of i02:25:09
think okay if that's real if you're really that02:25:10
can prove that they are talking about that02:25:12
lied, lied, so consciously02:25:15
wanting to know, however, asks a question02:25:18
knows that isn't true and George says no02:25:22
the report is not there and that is therefore none02:25:24
lie say truth then no he says02:25:27
the report is there only the report02:25:28
does not confirm report and and there is02:25:31
it was asked straight to the man02:25:33
report there No it is not there It is there02:25:34
not there yes and the report if he that02:25:37
would give, of course, would have02:25:38
show that the PCR test has clinical ge02:25:40
relevance Well I think that I think that02:25:42
I really think this is this02:25:43
shocking if that's really where I Mo but02:25:45
I can give 20 more examples02:25:47
Yes02:25:48
but this this is this is why we Pepijn02:25:50
brought back into the House of Representatives02:25:52
this is what we're going to do with it parliamentary Ket you are going to us too02:25:54
feed with that that book is out and eh02:25:57
let's be very brief for a moment because you02:25:58
will therefore also emigrate because you are02:26:00
I've all gotten so fed up with it, well, it02:26:03
it's not my society anymore, right? I'm sitting02:26:05
yes, uh, you're in a society where02:26:09
a very large part of your fellow man02:26:11
who speaks a language that you no longer understand02:26:13
understands who speaks another language who02:26:15
uh and and an important point now02:26:19
of course I don't feel here anymore02:26:20
safe huh So I uh I just got that one02:26:24
criminal case behind me and I don't have02:26:25
you get the impression that they are going to stop02:26:27
power is taken away and you are02:26:29
only concerned with government02:26:32
with defending you I also have it02:26:34
hardly had time to go there last year02:26:36
other things to do Although I02:26:37
I still did a lot of things but I did02:26:39
was only concerned with myself02:26:41
defense and that is of course also one02:26:43
strategy to keep people busy02:26:45
but on and yes and that and there I have02:26:49
indeed eh that you reach a point of02:26:51
you say yes it is, it is beautiful02:26:53
been there doesn't mean I'm stopping02:26:55
doesn't mean I'll stop writing02:26:57
doesn't mean I'll stop02:26:58
make broadcasts, but I want that02:27:00
no more uh from here so I'm going02:27:04
an exile, let's just leave it at that02:27:05
call Well and enjoy life02:27:08
because it is also delicious02:27:10
climate n I know that02:27:12
you don't want to suggest anything to it huup02:27:15
Oh what can you imagine with this02:27:17
go into exile Well this is also02:27:20
I'm thinking EV This is very serious02:27:22
D is a man who really suffered02:27:24
Yes and eh maybe I'll miss it now02:27:26
heavy on h, I know, well, it breaks it02:27:29
it certainly leaves traces behind02:27:32
not only for me but also for the02:27:33
people around me, my family, that one02:27:35
my wife really has that one, right? That one02:27:37
it no longer attracts that stress02:27:39
Constantly, he also says yes, I know02:27:41
not how you stay standing but me me02:27:43
Don't take that anymore, that that that and that02:27:46
point you reach because it is natural02:27:48
year after year after year and you keep thinking02:27:50
of yes it's getting better It's getting better Me02:27:51
I'm thinking about that, that's something02:27:53
different but yes In line with doctors02:27:56
um nurses and so on who are really here02:27:59
not those who did not go along with this02:28:02
um that one so um well let's just say02:28:04
wappies were those that were endangered and02:28:07
who have also lost their jobs02:28:09
their entire existence, even their home It is02:28:11
there are a lot of divorces and suicides02:28:14
in the Netherlands too, so eh, yes, that02:28:17
could no longer stronghold Yes under02:28:19
another Jan Bonte sch or what is that man's name02:28:21
Jan Bonte, hey, he writes about that02:28:23
he could still hold his own02:28:25
to write and stuff hm hm but if you02:28:27
looks at Germany those people from it02:28:29
first hour they are all in it02:28:30
abroad Germany is of course one02:28:32
it has gone another 10 steps further02:28:35
in the Netherlands What they don't do here02:28:37
they dared in Germany02:28:38
those people dared to sit there02:28:39
their lives are all abroad02:28:41
destroyed, all destroyed, right? Also02:28:44
judges who have administered justice02:28:46
their lives have been destroyed as well02:28:48
certainly bmer yes of the eh Wijmar verdict02:28:51
uh that has several house searches02:28:54
had who has been indicted who has been out02:28:56
am Well that is a very important judgment02:28:59
where he stated that he02:29:00
the masks and the test are not02:29:02
adequate and should not be used on children02:29:03
be applied because it was at a02:29:05
children's, er, family02:29:08
family oriented02:29:09
the sore leg that she just That judge02:29:13
went to get Kiel and so on02:29:15
criminal prosecution and re de02:29:17
judge who acquitted me02:29:18
By the way, he also has one02:29:19
disciplinary Although he retired02:29:21
who has a disciplinary complaint02:29:22
by his pants right now Oh yeah because02:29:24
week before his retirement or so eh Yes02:29:26
exactly so he but I heard that through02:29:28
my lawyer who knows him and him02:29:30
has spoken, eh, that will also be02:29:32
addressed you know this was unacceptable02:29:34
the one who built that hut. Tell me02:29:37
then in Germany h there the flame is there02:29:39
in the pan that was eh He had to on it02:29:42
come to the Minister of Justice02:29:44
Internal Affairs of Bremen and that is02:29:46
pressured from above for that02:29:49
right to tackle so that we02:29:51
were acquitted that was not in the02:29:53
planning the intention was to get us eh on02:29:55
to cage and take everything away from us02:29:57
grab and that failed and now eh so I02:30:01
I'm not going to wait until he becomes something02:30:03
for a disciplinary What kind of a Yes02:30:04
but what kind of ground have they had?02:30:07
I don't know the other house, but that's the one02:30:08
question on what basis they really have02:30:11
no more need for a reason He has one02:30:12
judgment has been made what me but what what is the02:30:15
disciplinary at the latter is still02:30:17
no displ that is process that procedure02:30:19
has started, right? So you start another one02:30:21
procedure on the basis of yes or no no02:30:24
no, you're wrong, there are whole02:30:26
many procedures started where none02:30:27
reason at is where the reason02:30:28
then it is added to02:30:31
legitimize his right to intimidation02:30:33
[ __ ] for example, so that's what you say02:30:35
have explained the law in a way02:30:36
that eh that you bent it straight02:30:39
but that that becomes detmer so eh too02:30:42
charged with the Wijmar verdict but02:30:44
the fact shows you have02:30:46
acquitted, what is his charge?02:30:48
laid well right boyon also right boyon02:30:51
that will right other many other means02:30:53
you don't have to appeal to a judge02:30:55
grabbing the right mouth is a criminal offense02:30:57
What a judge can commit, he does it02:30:59
right eh has explained in a way02:31:01
what they think is that, uh, it's curved02:31:03
right Yes, it's a good thing then you go one02:31:06
one can always find a stick to help02:31:08
hitting a dog exactly, isn't it? It's about02:31:10
the principle judges must be in line02:31:12
walk and if they don't then02:31:13
they have to deal with the stick eh02:31:15
that right past that that eh that that02:31:17
curfew initially02:31:19
never turned me back ma'am02:31:20
Hoekstra Yes, I think that's a hero02:31:23
because the first case we had was then02:31:25
then she has that eh us eh02:31:29
actually written off because they02:31:30
probably believed in that eh myself02:31:32
whole covid Nonsense eh but then noticed02:31:36
you at that at that case uh about the02:31:39
curfew and then she focused too02:31:42
to me and she says no sir pols U02:31:44
You can trust me, I will take this case02:31:45
really seriously and at the time when the02:31:47
judge says so, then you will get it02:31:50
trust that judge, eh? I have one02:31:51
I had a right on that a few times02:31:53
way eh speaks because I speak that02:31:54
judges always insist on h integrity02:31:57
Can we trust you? What should we do?02:31:59
we expect from you as Z judge yourself02:32:01
actually addressed to you that way02:32:04
you'll have it soon, won't you?02:32:07
confidence of Yes this judge who is02:32:09
serious but good That judge is02:32:11
is no longer in office or Yes02:32:13
He is in office but I think he was allowed02:32:15
no corona cases Yes, because in the Netherlands02:32:17
if you talk about the procedure we02:32:20
anyway have the Council of the02:32:21
case law we have pointing pen and we02:32:23
have a role judge who determines who02:32:26
Which case gets Which judge so you02:32:28
does not have to inform all judges02:32:30
you just need a few of them02:32:32
crucial points and those Get all02:32:34
political bag and especially the facilities02:32:36
Judges, that's what our friend is called02:32:38
at Van Den Haag vetters h Yes, a whole one02:32:41
charming man Yes that eh that that is one of those02:32:45
political Judge Yes, he is sitting there too02:32:46
affiliated with the University of02:32:48
Amsterdam and that is also an urgent matter02:32:51
together with tandel are and a whole02:32:53
amiable man, eh, because we have we have02:32:55
have had issues about other things02:32:57
then I usually win and then I am proven right02:32:59
but when it comes to political matters02:33:01
Yes, then he is not there, but then02:33:03
we sit together in that session and then02:33:04
says oh eh, I want brother Willem too02:33:08
say something and then that's how it goes if if02:33:11
it eh if there are no political interests02:33:13
at his Yes but and and this man thinks02:33:16
that it is different in Paraguay. No02:33:20
do you have access yes yes yes there it is02:33:22
cheaper there the access is cheaper02:33:25
in Paraguay you are in any case02:33:26
problems solvable and here you are02:33:28
problems not for years, that's already a long time02:33:30
Not anymore, but one was there for years02:33:31
dictator Str for 35 years Yes, but that02:33:34
So it's in the genes of the population02:33:37
that yes yes so at the time that there is a02:33:39
uh a Leader comes with dictatorial02:33:41
the population's tendencies are equal02:33:44
Rebellion, they are a few years back02:33:46
back that president, I thought I'd stick it there02:33:47
still attached for a term and has a02:33:49
proposal has been made to make this possible02:33:51
because in Paraguay you can only go once02:33:53
being president and the population is normal02:33:55
stormed into the government building02:33:57
everything was put in the spotlight live on television02:34:00
after that the idea was out of the question02:34:02
head never came back Yes Yes02:34:05
interesting country so well it it it02:34:07
at the moment spontaneous people in Ied02:34:09
case January Z Yes, but if you if you02:34:12
As head of government, you know that02:34:15
you don't get crazy things like that either02:34:16
in your head, right? It has it also has02:34:18
a preventive work Sri Lanka is also02:34:20
something like that happens but I don't know if that02:34:22
was a FS flek I happened to be 1202:34:25
November we talked about 1302:34:26
November 2019 I flew to Sri Lanka Oh02:34:29
look to dance to dance oh02:34:31
of course and uh my contacts there02:34:34
I kept in touch with that and that one02:34:35
so said that after that uprisingDescription:
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