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Hello Those who see me and those who00:00:05
He can hear me, it’s Maxim Shevchenko direct00:00:07
broadcast And today we will have a guest00:00:11
A very interesting person who00:00:12
to whom we will ask to tell about00:00:15
what actually happens to us and in00:00:18
what a horror we are all together right now00:00:20
turned out to be from the inside, as they say00:00:23
is always experienced more acutely and more frighteningly But00:00:26
precisely the position of the philosopher, especially00:00:28
a philosopher who deals with such important00:00:32
discipline philosophy as methodology00:00:34
can help us We hope so00:00:37
Of course we'll figure out what's going on So00:00:40
I am pleased to introduce you to Peter Shchedrovitsky00:00:43
Pyotr Georgievich Hello00:00:45
Good evening Maxim Good evening everyone00:00:48
Petergovich Well, here’s the first question right away00:00:51
but we looked at a lot of yours, it means00:00:55
dialogue there with Ukrainian00:00:59
journalists or methodologists00:01:01
philosophers who was dedicated so00:01:05
called technological breakthroughs00:01:07
technological revolutions treasure00:01:09
transition to the next way of life you know what00:01:11
I was struck I was struck cold00:01:14
talking about it when we discuss or00:01:16
industrial revolution in Holland in00:01:18
England or the industrial revolution there00:01:22
I know the 20th century as if millions of people00:01:25
which00:01:28
but at the same time they find themselves overboard00:01:32
any concept of good and00:01:34
pays with their lives for00:01:37
the achievements of this Revolution are not even00:01:39
is taken into account and in fact one of00:01:42
main problems00:01:44
talking about progress is actually00:01:49
ethical side of progress is it possible00:01:53
in general so that the transition to a new way of life00:01:55
was without00:01:59
sacrificing lives and destinies00:02:02
a huge number of people who00:02:05
relatively speaking it is at the bottom00:02:09
first of all, I definitely didn’t expect00:02:14
talk about industrial revolutions in00:02:17
that guarantee what it is00:02:21
romantic and pleasing to everyone00:02:24
the development process is always uneven00:02:30
development always occurs in some00:02:33
certain points and its consequences00:02:36
developments are spreading slowly and in00:02:40
geographical and more importantly00:02:43
in the mental and social dimension00:02:46
So if someone00:02:50
got it So we00:02:54
paradise and golden mountains shine on00:02:57
the path to a new Industrial Revolution or00:03:01
at its first most dramatic stage then00:03:05
I was misunderstood00:03:06
all previous Industrial00:03:09
The revolutions were accompanied00:03:10
gigantic social cataclysms00:03:13
wars00:03:15
redistribution00:03:17
[music]00:03:18
hegemony of countries leaders and countries00:03:21
outsiders on00:03:24
space of the globe And of course00:03:27
large-scale social changes00:03:29
within the countries themselves00:03:32
I already said that at least00:03:35
Four types of conflicts I won't do now00:03:37
list them again00:03:40
and I think it will be exactly the same00:03:44
the next big wave is happening00:03:47
development she00:03:49
will change the world around us not only00:03:53
not so much in technical and00:03:55
technologically How much in terms of00:03:58
cultural and social00:04:01
does this mean that this is the breakdown of the world00:04:06
familiar to us in which we now live00:04:09
and that is, the transition to this has already begun00:04:12
new way of life and which inevitably00:04:16
accompanied by the same horrors and00:04:18
the victims you just reminded of00:04:20
well look if00:04:24
starting from my model is the most difficult00:04:28
is the first third of the new big00:04:32
waves of development Why Because old00:04:36
technology platform It is already00:04:38
stopped working and the new one hasn't arrived yet00:04:41
has developed and does not give that growth00:04:44
resource efficiency and00:04:47
labor productivity at which00:04:48
actually calculate and00:04:51
entrepreneurs and engineers creating00:04:53
individual candidate technical00:04:56
technological solutions This is the most00:04:59
such a dramatic period and so again00:05:04
the previous technology platform does not provide00:05:08
more necessary profits including00:05:13
reduces00:05:15
tax base00:05:18
traditional subjects in particular00:05:22
national states and the new00:05:25
technology platform is not yet00:05:27
has developed and cannot give such effects00:05:32
and it is imperative that humanity00:05:34
bled until it was all00:05:37
will level out Maxim you know perfectly well00:05:40
history and you understand that with all that00:05:43
if we take the last 400 years00:05:48
then the well-being of the individual00:05:50
households00:05:52
Yes unevenly Yes not everywhere Yes not immediately00:05:56
but It continues to grow And even if we00:06:00
We'll see00:06:01
the second half of the twentieth century then we00:06:04
let's find out what00:06:05
most of the world's population00:06:08
moved to that area when they00:06:12
still get the minimum but00:06:16
enough income to survive So yes00:06:20
this is a dramatic process but in general there is peace00:06:23
People00:06:24
live relatively richer than they lived00:06:28
100,200 and even more so 400 years ago00:06:33
Depends on what kind of people Depends on what kind of people00:06:36
some people live as richly as Ne00:06:38
lived the Egyptian Lilympian gods00:06:40
some people got a cup instead00:06:42
rice, a plate of pasta, for example, well00:06:45
look again So today00:06:49
statistically 40 percent of the population00:06:51
Earth gets about two00:06:55
dollar a day00:06:58
sometimes equivalent00:07:02
Well basic food00:07:05
life's blessings00:07:07
and if you look at this curve then you00:07:11
find out that she is slowly moving away from00:07:15
less00:07:16
profitable activities and image00:07:20
life A little more profitable by the way now00:07:23
such a large-scale transition is taking place00:07:25
first of all take on the Pacific00:07:27
region Well and among the leaders in China in India00:07:31
You probably know that Malaysia00:07:34
demonstrated by the result00:07:37
several years passed there more than 1000:07:40
Vietnam's percentage growth is approaching these00:07:44
Yes, of course this is a low start problem00:07:48
we understand that00:07:50
The poorer these countries were, the faster00:07:53
for a certain period of time when00:07:57
It is clear which technologies are borrowed and which ones00:08:00
industries to develop means00:08:03
we see such rapid growth00:08:06
the same thing happened in Japan00:08:08
second half00:08:10
XIX century and in Russia in the second half00:08:13
19th century then during the Soviet00:08:17
industrialization And these figures should not00:08:20
deceive00:08:21
this figure should not deceive but they are all00:08:24
equally show a trend00:08:26
But the question of ethics is a question of goodness and00:08:32
evil he is the key he remains he00:08:35
is the source of what is called00:08:39
social discontent actually all00:08:41
Marxism arose from an ethical question00:08:44
Yes, no one denies that new types00:08:48
production gave a completely new one00:08:50
efficiency and profitability But how is it00:08:54
profitability is distributed as it is00:08:56
invested where it is invested00:08:57
why is it appropriated by a minority?00:09:01
are not distributed in the interests of society00:09:03
it was in that era that the French Pond00:09:06
the philosopher said that property is00:09:09
crime meaning naturally not00:09:11
private property as possession00:09:12
a cow or a horse, but what about ownership?00:09:16
time and life of another person00:09:18
which00:09:20
works to keep you alone00:09:23
the only best lived what to do with this00:09:26
ethical paradigm or new revolution00:09:31
unlike Industrial which had00:09:33
dealing with the masses of people had to be fed about00:09:36
who had to be taken care of will have00:09:38
dealing with something different and human00:09:40
factors will not be minimized at all00:09:43
Maxim: Unfortunately I owe you00:09:46
correct because00:09:48
if my memory serves me right it means00:09:53
Proudhon repeated the famous phrase that00:10:03
the guards themselves00:10:05
you are absolutely right Now but00:10:08
come on, I don’t know if you’ve read this one yourself00:10:12
a small article published in 194000:10:18
I mean Proudhon but there he is00:10:22
actually says the following00:10:24
relationship between power and coercion00:10:29
from some people and social00:10:32
groups in relation to others00:10:35
a is a basic characteristic00:10:38
any society00:10:41
there are always those who rule and00:10:44
coerce and those who obey00:10:47
Let me remind you that the traditional definition00:10:50
power is ability00:10:54
to exercise one's will against one's will00:10:58
others00:11:01
But then he says the following:00:11:04
speaks equally00:11:07
are problematic and oppressive00:11:13
the weak from the strong00:11:16
and oppression of the powerful by the group00:11:19
weak00:11:22
Both00:11:24
leads to injustice00:11:30
social order00:11:33
And by the way, pay attention to some00:11:36
in a sense it was a reflection of the French00:11:38
bourgeois revolution00:11:40
Why Because brisol actually00:11:42
who first introduced this formulation00:11:44
put forward he was one of the creators00:11:48
party of journalists, gerandist one00:11:51
leaders of the Gironda, as he knows00:11:53
cut off the head on the guillotine just like00:11:56
it means there was yes in it In March Yes to many00:12:00
to his companions but look around00:12:03
what was being built then00:12:06
But if you want the edge00:12:10
The heat of the Indian social project in00:12:13
in particular00:12:14
developed within this batch00:12:19
Education Act00:12:22
look how they reasoned they spoke00:12:25
so we can't escape00:12:28
unevenness00:12:30
business profit00:12:33
someone always makes money, someone doesn't00:12:38
someone gets richer00:12:41
it will be very difficult for us they said00:12:44
to avoid00:12:46
transfer injustice00:12:49
this wealth00:12:51
heir according to00:12:54
mediocre right00:12:55
yes, of course you can cover it with giant ones00:12:59
taxes and so on and so on there in00:13:01
it was done in many countries later, but they considered00:13:05
in what sense is the Randists here fighting?00:13:08
with entropy Well, because they will leave00:13:11
there to bypass enter into offshores Well, I'm kidding00:13:16
and so on But here is the only point in00:13:20
where we can overcome inequality00:13:23
but that means00:13:25
injustice folding00:13:27
exploitation relations including00:13:29
economic is in the sphere00:13:32
training training education00:13:35
younger generation00:13:37
Why Because after receiving an education00:13:41
a person can position himself differently00:13:45
in the labor market and social system in00:13:48
in general00:13:49
at least he will know00:13:53
where are these relations of exploitation most00:13:56
hard ones and how to avoid them00:14:01
and actually this law was not adopted00:14:04
so to speak First00:14:06
Girondin law of 92 he00:14:12
leitmotif00:14:13
permeates 19th century discussions because00:14:17
in fact what happened they00:14:19
moved on from discussion00:14:21
negative freedoms00:14:25
to a discussion of positive freedoms in numbers00:14:28
who had the right to work00:14:30
the right to education and the right to00:14:34
social assistance for disability00:14:36
blah blah and so on That is, this one00:14:39
radical transition to00:14:44
instrumental discussion of your00:14:46
you understand the question because00:14:49
fairness is difficult to assess00:14:52
no ruler to measure fairness00:14:55
but she is such an emotional assessment more00:14:59
besides, you understand perfectly well what we're talking about00:15:02
we are talking about the fairness of the assessment of the contribution00:15:05
people in wealth creation00:15:08
justice punishment for something00:15:11
crime00:15:12
Fair Well, that is, it's too much00:15:15
ambiguous term and historically00:15:19
idea of justice of course00:15:20
changed in ancient law to fair00:15:23
it was considered murder to kill Well, so00:15:27
further now we'll go a little differently on this00:15:30
we look and in this sense we are different00:15:35
moral and ethical framework for acceptance00:15:38
relevant decisions but returned to00:15:41
question So if the weak don’t give00:15:46
strong to create something new00:15:49
and entrepreneurial profit is only00:15:51
one example00:15:53
so new00:15:55
which creates a strong00:15:58
then there is nothing to distribute the question at all00:16:01
distribution is not worth it00:16:04
So we can't refuse00:16:08
development00:16:09
Therefore, if we recognize the development00:16:12
We recognize and unevenness00:16:16
development effects that are distributed00:16:19
like within society00:16:22
local society between its members00:16:25
and please note between countries00:16:29
there are always leading countries00:16:32
and there are always outsider countries ladder00:16:35
This00:16:36
bookcase00:16:39
and the crazy ladder of development she00:16:43
may change00:16:45
she can00:16:47
transform as00:16:49
the technology platforms themselves are changing00:16:51
but she will always be, well wait Peter00:16:54
says Well, here we see in modern00:16:55
in the world let's say both countries are leaders00:16:58
called simply do not allow countries00:17:02
outsider so called develop00:17:05
let's say Iran takes it, you'll be fine00:17:08
you know, you yourself dealt with this problem00:17:11
how sanctions hampered the development of nuclear power00:17:15
Iran's technology was not allowed as early as00:17:17
buy highly cultured00:17:20
powerful country with a huge population00:17:24
buy modern technologies like00:17:26
destroyed killed simply with the help00:17:29
terrorist attacks on Iranian territory, physicists and00:17:32
mathematicians who could study00:17:34
nuclear, let's say, or other military00:17:37
means some kind of purpose problems00:17:39
scientific That is, it turns out that it is so00:17:42
the so-called leaders of the countries are not at all ready00:17:44
share with the rest of the world00:17:47
their leadership but in fact they00:17:50
use this leadership for power for00:17:52
control to dictate to00:17:55
to all other countries about this00:17:57
actually were rastein you said00:17:59
for sure As they say00:18:00
it’s as if the work went on foot to all ends00:18:04
vyverstainy and you know it all, how it is00:18:07
problem solve you describe some00:18:09
an ideal world in which there is some00:18:11
leadership and there is some lag and00:18:15
as if someone wants to share with someone00:18:16
No, no one wants Maxim again00:18:19
look00:18:21
I'm not describing any ideal world00:18:24
my thesis is extremely simple00:18:27
if there is nothing to distribute If not00:18:29
wealth if it is not created by someone00:18:33
in my picture of the world wealth creates00:18:37
just a technology entrepreneur00:18:38
but we won’t go there with you all00:18:41
so to speak, regular listeners know00:18:45
How can I tell this in five minutes?00:18:47
it will work out But if you create technologies00:18:51
entrepreneur here in the Soviet Union00:18:53
the role of a technology entrepreneur00:18:55
performed by various scientific states00:18:57
institutions there and so on00:19:00
what they created as parasites00:19:03
modern states in Russia or in00:19:05
Ukraine lives on those riches on those00:19:08
achievements that were created in the Soviet00:19:10
time there is practically nothing new00:19:12
created look you are jumping00:19:14
let's get back to yours first00:19:17
first question So00:19:20
those regions00:19:22
it's not even always00:19:26
nation states in our00:19:28
modern sense of the word00:19:30
you understand perfectly well that industrial00:19:33
Revolutions took place first of all00:19:35
in general in newly formed political00:19:41
Didn't exist until now00:19:45
but we still need to think about England but in00:19:49
in general we can think about her too, but00:19:51
see As00:19:55
become more complicated00:19:57
technologies00:19:59
gap between leaders and laggards00:20:03
increases rather than decreases00:20:06
the gap between England and Holland was00:20:09
minimal00:20:11
gap between the united states of england00:20:14
at the end of 18 the beginning of 19 was already much00:20:17
more00:20:19
And the next Leader will most likely again00:20:24
will make a leap forward We don’t know who it is00:20:27
will be And we don’t really know how these will go00:20:30
over the next 150 years we may slide into00:20:35
scenario00:20:36
[music]00:20:37
megacities with very complex00:20:41
systems providing them00:20:42
security00:20:43
no country in this sense will00:20:46
leader of the new Industrial Revolution00:20:48
China is not India, be a different model But00:20:52
despite this there will be between them00:20:55
widen the gap Now you say no00:20:59
want to share00:21:00
Well, listen and yeah, they don’t want to share, but00:21:05
why should they actually share?00:21:09
just as you say00:21:12
ethical self-determination00:21:15
and, perhaps00:21:17
security consideration00:21:20
forced to redistribute income as00:21:23
within these leaders between social00:21:26
groups and between countries by the way00:21:29
involving these in one simple way00:21:33
outsider countries00:21:35
into the system of division of labor around00:21:37
leaders00:21:39
once again there is no other way00:21:42
exists Yes there is quite00:21:45
a large number of international00:21:47
institutions that issue loans and00:21:51
Grants for certain social00:21:54
institutional reforms but honestly00:21:57
saying that I think this is a drop in the ocean00:22:01
compared to those flows, so to speak00:22:04
financial organizational which00:22:05
associated with the creation of new international00:22:09
systems by including countries for a certain00:22:12
place according to her capabilities00:22:14
in these systems of division of labor there00:22:18
a peculiar thing is happening Yes, it doesn’t mean00:22:23
uneven redistribution00:22:26
no equivalent exchange occurs there00:22:29
equivalent exchange00:22:30
but Gradually For those who joined you00:22:35
remembered Wallerstein Let's00:22:37
let's use his term in gender00:22:39
periphery00:22:42
new opportunities arise00:22:45
growth00:22:47
human capital development of new00:22:49
types of activities to increase profitability00:22:51
and again and we see what it is00:22:54
is happening00:22:55
despite the problems you mentioned00:23:00
international political00:23:01
geopolitical geoeconomic00:23:06
but Please note But if you remove00:23:11
development process00:23:13
the question of redistribution will disappear on its own00:23:16
yourself00:23:19
We have moved away from that era when00:23:24
French of the 18th century Well, almost contemporaries00:23:27
Means00:23:30
these revolutionaries of ours Here they are00:23:34
believed that all income comes from the sun00:23:38
the sun is shining Well excuse me00:23:41
photosynthesis happens here00:23:43
the only area of savings we00:23:45
still came to the conclusion that in the sphere00:23:48
production partially through loans from00:23:51
future Yes this is a big problem00:23:53
actually an environmental problem but00:23:55
just not in her PR scam00:24:00
in real deep what actually00:24:04
part of the development processes is due to00:24:06
that we are with future generations00:24:09
we take some resources00:24:12
and with this problem, of course it is necessary00:24:17
she discusses it extremely00:24:20
Why do we actually care?00:24:22
for the future generation we live now what00:24:24
there, as they say, there we have whole ones there00:24:27
countries are being cut off from power grids00:24:29
you see, we are firing rockets00:24:31
now we must think about the future00:24:32
generations to come and many will tell you grief00:24:36
watch these future generations not by fire00:24:38
ethical framework is largely personal00:24:43
that is, Using the Kantian division00:24:46
pragmatic ethical and moral00:24:49
this is where the ethical framework arises00:24:52
the moment when I leave the pragmatic00:24:54
horizon and enter it into my system00:24:57
coordinates of the future Is it important for me to00:25:00
my own future am I starting00:25:03
for example, focus on your00:25:05
imagers to us and kind00:25:08
good opportunities means my family and00:25:11
so on and so forth or I00:25:13
I mean children and grandchildren, this is already00:25:16
a technical question, but a moral one00:25:19
Of course he assumes the horizon00:25:21
holding another with a capital letter00:25:24
like another00:25:25
in our conversation with you00:25:29
the rich holds the poor00:25:32
in your picture of the world00:25:35
provides its advantage00:25:37
ensuring his power over the poor00:25:40
ensuring its dominance and00:25:44
transfer of this power through the following00:25:47
generation we see this in Russia as00:25:49
smart, strong people push into business or00:25:54
into the power of their children, their grandchildren, so that00:25:57
at the family level to provide for themselves00:26:00
domination is normal00:26:03
Maxim senseless question my point00:26:06
view because I will answer this now00:26:09
there is precisely the question of inheritance00:26:12
which I asked00:26:14
and who chewed in every possible way with a pond00:26:18
because that's the difference00:26:21
transfer to inheritance This is the property What00:26:24
is legal That was the point of this00:26:26
the discussion itself, you are one hundred percent right and00:26:29
I think that's exactly what I said. Of course00:26:32
what in fact00:26:35
Nothing we pass on by inheritance We00:26:39
we can put our son or our00:26:41
daughter to some kind of managerial position and00:26:44
to know that behind your family it’s like you00:26:46
retained power power power transferred00:26:50
by inheritance Maxim all this takes place00:26:53
be we people00:26:55
and to the extent that we are all people we00:26:58
human vices are common00:27:01
to a greater or lesser extent, that is00:27:06
this is the threshold, that is, it is insulated00:27:08
threshold that is, we are talking about progress about00:27:10
development of the Revolution and at the same time we00:27:14
we calmly talk about the threshold00:27:16
lust for power he is, as they say, normal with00:27:18
this goes together00:27:20
Well, look again, you won't change it00:27:23
human nature why00:27:26
because human nature00:27:28
the last few thousand years have been weak00:27:31
changed Why were enough00:27:34
successful attempts to remake human00:27:36
nature, let's say a Russian man00:27:38
peasant 16 years old and Russian and Soviet00:27:41
man 45 years old 30 years passed between them00:27:45
these are completely different people00:27:47
nature and completely different breeds00:27:50
you give a negative example A00:27:54
why is he negative? How about00:27:56
reader for those who suffered from this00:27:58
Pyotr Georgievich and for those who were00:28:00
winners in '45 and in00:28:03
the forties of the Winners it was00:28:05
much more we just seem to00:28:07
we appeal to memoirs and destinies00:28:10
victims actually shot00:28:12
there is a thick spyat or Nikolai Klyuev00:28:15
or00:28:16
others There and so on but millions00:28:19
many more people00:28:21
felt like winners00:28:24
I look at it completely differently00:28:27
point of view please country00:28:30
had00:28:32
the most powerful00:28:35
Agriculture00:28:37
and one of the world's largest exports00:28:42
agricultural products00:28:44
and in the end00:28:47
social experiments00:28:49
built exactly according to the second model00:28:52
Proudhon00:28:53
when the weak gather in committees and00:28:57
strong no from kill strong And with what00:29:02
they kill there who killed let's say there00:29:06
I don’t know who killed Vernadsky there00:29:09
Academician Pavlova Well please again00:29:13
Means00:29:15
Soviet Soviet Union00:29:18
managed to ruin00:29:21
agriculture in Russia and still00:29:26
we can't restore it00:29:29
so here we are definitely not00:29:33
let's get together00:29:34
We can discuss other industries, but00:29:39
this industry00:29:40
this is the model00:29:42
destruction00:29:44
entrepreneurial layer00:29:47
First of all, it was then called00:29:51
kulaks But these were wealthy00:29:55
peasant farms00:29:57
which are in the future Well, anyway00:30:02
case in the Stolypin reform model00:30:04
could turn into a big one00:30:07
farms00:30:09
international experience means both in the end and in00:30:14
As a result, the scale of production fell00:30:18
a range of complex activities00:30:21
for example, meat farming is completely00:30:24
disappeared00:30:26
and still do00:30:28
are not restored because00:30:31
firstly it requires a gigantic00:30:34
culture00:30:36
capital00:30:38
whoever restores will be the population00:30:40
everything rural died out after the liquidation00:30:43
collective farms and state farms, that is, actually00:30:45
speaking industry tools00:30:48
earth-related went extinct in 9200:30:51
It’s just that all these in the Smolensk region she00:30:53
empty Tver region extinct nobody00:30:56
no longer lives on land that is Tajik00:30:59
and Uzbeks work, you know, imported ones00:31:02
the slaves returned to the Roman latifunda00:31:06
result direct result00:31:09
this is a direct result of Socialist00:31:12
redistribution experiments00:31:16
previously acquired and destroyed00:31:20
entrepreneurial layer For me00:31:22
it seems that Pyotr Yuryevich was simplifying it for me00:31:25
it’s even strange to hear this because you00:31:27
simplify too Even the same ones00:31:29
you know the Stolypin reform very well00:31:31
statistics of the majority of peasants who00:31:34
we went to Siberia and went broke because00:31:37
the peasants did not control the final00:31:39
the selling price of grain and were forced00:31:42
sell grain at prices that00:31:45
speculators appointed the main supplier00:31:48
the exporter of grain was the royal family and00:31:51
people close to her are why it is00:31:54
by the way proved00:31:55
this is the reason for the famine It was the first00:31:58
Lenin's work when he was not yet00:32:00
such a famous Marxist socialist A00:32:03
was Another young lawyer who was00:32:05
sent to the Volga region, in my opinion to Samara00:32:06
province and follows the causes of famine and00:32:09
riots and he proved that no00:32:11
the yield is normal, just peasants00:32:14
cannot use the results00:32:15
their labor because they are forced00:32:18
due to arrears there of taxes and prices for00:32:22
the grain they don't control is not00:32:25
the market was to be handed over to the ruling caste00:32:28
who control the economy and therefore00:32:31
they give away all the grain at a bargain price00:32:34
then they have to buy it at two in the winter00:32:37
times more expensive the same grain that00:32:40
they sold00:32:41
at the moment of the so-called market00:32:44
demand That's the problem, what's that00:32:47
there was no free market00:32:49
largely in Russia00:32:51
hunger has always been a problem00:32:54
the problem of hunger you are now now in00:32:57
no story, look instead00:33:00
to00:33:01
discuss the main thesis you on my00:33:04
sight00:33:05
you are trying to discuss peripheral00:33:07
thesis So the first answer is that I00:33:11
tried to answer your question00:33:14
power relations always exist00:33:19
and power00:33:22
economically stronger than economically00:33:24
weak00:33:25
no worse or better than group power00:33:30
the weak over the strong who00:33:34
destroy why do you call them00:33:36
weak if the weak found such strength00:33:39
To destroy the strong as possible00:33:41
they began to be called weak because00:33:44
when it comes to00:33:47
production of something it turns out that00:33:50
they can't produce anything00:33:52
If if if means process00:33:58
went a little earlier00:34:00
and a little differently in00:34:02
institutionally I am not at all00:34:04
I justify the policies of the Russian Empire00:34:09
I think it's exactly the same problems00:34:13
existed in the Russian Empire in00:34:16
during those 200 years that have passed00:34:20
conditionally from the end00:34:24
17th century before00:34:26
pre-revolutionary events now but00:34:31
those people who could not carry out00:34:35
economic activity on Earth00:34:39
would gradually move either to other00:34:43
branches of activity00:34:45
or to other territories00:34:50
in which it was possible to save the old00:34:53
activity00:34:55
thereby increasing00:34:58
efficiency in both old industries and00:35:01
new industries and in old regions and in00:35:03
new regions00:35:04
this is the mechanism00:35:07
businessman moved It's not00:35:11
tumbleweeds people move from need00:35:14
there are two that's why a person has this00:35:17
moves because he feels bad where he is00:35:20
he lives it was described by Stanwick in a bunch00:35:22
anger remember the famous when banks00:35:25
they bought land there so they went bankrupt00:35:27
farmers in the USA, here's a private farm for you00:35:30
they were unkind and it was as if their grapes were exploding00:35:33
anger they moved where the troit00:35:35
that means the person is not from other cities00:35:37
good life moves that him00:35:39
they say Listen there now in another00:35:41
there will be a plant development in the city00:35:43
build it let's move there00:35:46
moves because he's bored there00:35:49
here or hungry here or else00:35:51
for some reason or because he doesn't00:35:54
sees the meaning of his activities There and so00:35:56
Further moved and you say that it is not necessary00:36:00
move or what No I can't00:36:02
there's no need to say it because it's not00:36:04
depends on a properly objective process00:36:06
once again here we are discussing this00:36:09
lens00:36:10
the main thing is that00:36:13
yours is more efficient00:36:16
newway00:36:18
then you are spending the same set of resources00:36:21
get more product and follow you00:36:25
there will be an opportunity00:36:27
guarantee and opportunity00:36:30
earn money you say you need it for this00:36:34
entry into the sales market is of course necessary for00:36:38
no one should take this away00:36:40
surplus Yes of course you are all right But00:36:44
if the way of activity does not change then00:36:48
there is no delta and everything else is already00:36:51
it's pointless to discuss Well, that's right00:36:54
the principle of modernization is what you say00:36:56
So what is the difference between the conclusion and let's say in00:37:00
cited in their speeches as an example00:37:02
English industrial revolution00:37:03
fencing when there are hundreds of thousands00:37:06
peasants were dispossessed of their land from00:37:10
which they fed on their lands came out00:37:13
a flock of sheep that provided wool for00:37:16
marginal industry develop these00:37:19
impoverished peasants became a crowd there00:37:21
London or Manchester or00:37:23
of the Liverpool proletariat who are for00:37:25
sold his labor for next to nothing to the fat man00:37:28
capital and this is how we are discussing Yes00:37:31
this is such a revolution Although it was00:37:33
extremely cruel moment But for some reason00:37:36
here is resettlement, resettlement is acceptable00:37:38
hundreds of thousands of peasants before construction00:37:40
Magnitka Magnitogorsk we consider somehow00:37:43
an act of terror and the gulag You see00:37:47
here's the same resettlement of people in00:37:51
than your thesis I state simple00:37:54
simple that if there is an excess of it you can00:37:58
you can start redistributing somehow00:38:01
make it better or worse00:38:03
you understand if it is not there is no question at all00:38:07
worth Everyone lives equally poor my00:38:10
the thesis is simple, we just want to understand00:38:14
me and many people who are00:38:16
development beneficiary Petr Georgievich00:38:19
Is it possible to make it so that the beneficiaries00:38:21
development were all of them only00:38:25
some group that will later No00:38:27
it is forbidden00:38:30
If you remove the chronotope00:38:34
Well, that is, if you think that this is00:38:37
instant process No it is impossible in any way00:38:40
conditions00:38:42
that is, the one who00:38:44
strong is the one who holds power00:38:48
managerial position then you will00:38:51
change the beneficiary that is, the basis00:38:53
all the same, the power is nothing else Well00:38:56
it's time Look, things are different here00:38:58
you understand all sorts of indirect effects very much00:39:01
often become beneficiaries00:39:03
those about whom no one imagined that they00:39:07
will benefit from00:39:10
You see, there is some kind of Arena there00:39:14
direct social struggle00:39:17
sometimes they win unexpectedly enough00:39:20
some other social groups Well00:39:24
for example, from that terrible situation00:39:26
which you describe behind the fence you him00:39:28
won the third estate00:39:32
that is, people who possessed00:39:34
certain00:39:36
professions00:39:38
lawyers and journalists were concentrated in00:39:43
cities and accordingly supported00:39:47
participated in value creation00:39:52
in this sense00:39:56
the process is always infinitely cruel00:39:59
the process is always infinitely cruel00:40:03
look and in this regard we must if00:40:09
we want to deal with this somehow00:40:12
must introduce space and time00:40:15
that is, we must understand what will pass00:40:18
100 years00:40:20
and also thanks to00:40:24
political struggle of the working class00:40:29
will arise first in ideas in thinking00:40:35
a new concept of this social00:40:37
package00:40:40
Solovyov was the first to say these00:40:44
words about the right to decent00:40:46
existence00:40:48
maybe someone else in his period but00:40:51
how do you understand it there00:40:53
60s 70s he said more00:40:57
tricky and not born there for that00:40:59
to create heaven on Earth Our task00:41:02
don't allow it on her Oh yes That's it00:41:05
right, but what am I talking about? These are the ideas00:41:08
are born very slowly and very00:41:10
slowly00:41:11
buy some workable00:41:14
form00:41:17
and look and what happens to us before this00:41:19
then Petrovich again asks why00:41:22
we must think why people should00:41:25
think in these categories For a hundred years you00:41:28
say One hundred years how can a person00:41:30
think categories One hundred years old man now00:41:32
lives in hell You wrote today in00:41:35
on your social networks There is nothing worse00:41:37
than when your Paranoia turns out to be00:41:40
excellent working intuition That is, you00:41:43
you say that today we live in00:41:45
Paranoia situations that have become real00:41:48
yes And about myself yes about myself By the way you00:41:52
Now I ask you to clarify this00:41:54
thought uh and describe your paranoia and00:41:59
and in this situation you say let's00:42:03
think about what it will be like in 100 years00:42:07
people are thinking now how to survive well00:42:10
wait look that means mine00:42:14
my great-grandfather00:42:16
born exactly one hundred years ago00:42:20
before me, that is, it’s just00:42:25
three generations00:42:29
you think about your children and grandchildren00:42:32
of course, that all means you're already thinking about00:42:36
a hundred years00:42:37
from what the chosen one means there00:42:42
officials think nothing for one cadence00:42:46
does not change00:42:48
I assure you that if you got it00:42:54
some property00:42:56
and property is from verb00:43:00
That00:43:01
you would think about it on this scale00:43:07
100 years Yes, that means the series00:43:12
yellowstone is very interesting00:43:14
American he's basically talking about this00:43:16
It's about how and why a family thinks00:43:20
a hundred years00:43:23
and from my point of view this is the norm00:43:27
Well, this is the norm, you talk like us, like00:43:31
we can think on the table I don't know I00:43:34
I think that means my grandchildren are growing up00:43:38
I think about what will happen in00:43:42
a certain period of time when00:43:45
so I can say that when I have00:43:51
the first one will appear about the grandson00:43:56
and from my point of view, loss00:44:04
entrepreneurial orientation00:44:08
property as an opportunity to receive00:44:12
income from other forms of use00:44:17
By the way, please note00:44:20
family memory00:44:23
the power of loss00:44:25
breakdown of family relationships, including00:44:28
traditionally, of course, they lower the horizon00:44:31
planning here I am with you one hundred percent00:44:34
I agree This is social optimization00:44:37
It sharply reduces the planning horizon00:44:40
separate empirical individual00:44:43
But in general it's normal to think one hundred percent00:44:46
years ahead and here I can’t be with you either00:44:49
I don't agree, but here I have a problem00:44:50
another question What kind of person00:44:53
which, although not nonsense philosophy, but00:44:55
more inclined towards poetry But it turns out00:45:00
that especially the culture of modernity which00:45:02
positioned here and now00:45:05
Mayakovsky for example, what do I care about Faust00:45:08
rocket extravaganza sliding with mephistopheles00:45:11
in the heavenly parquet I know I have a nail00:45:14
in boots more nightmarish than children's fantasy00:45:17
that is, here and now the whole culture00:45:20
Live here and now, live here and now00:45:24
culture there generates income from exploitation00:45:27
cultures make money if it00:45:29
there are some poets or musicians there00:45:31
modern There and so on And this00:45:35
different value paradigms how they00:45:38
can get along with each other00:45:40
Well, look, and now it’s like this00:45:45
dramatic conflicts00:45:48
sharp social stratification00:45:51
difference in income levels and again00:45:54
look we must understand how to00:45:56
on the scale of a separate political body00:45:59
national state and between00:46:01
they are the actual growth of these gaps00:46:04
led to the emergence of the ideology of socialism00:46:08
here is the Realization00:46:11
the inescapability of these contradictions00:46:14
By the way, pay attention to the situation00:46:18
when once it seemed00:46:21
the previous generation had more00:46:24
liberal means that if you eliminate there00:46:28
serfdom00:46:30
class privileges to be introduced more or less00:46:35
equal civil rights means00:46:39
expand the voter base and so on00:46:43
it seemed to them that those problems would be overcome00:46:46
the problems you are talking about in this00:46:49
I mean they were naive00:46:51
but at the same time they were right they were00:46:54
it was humiliating to own it00:46:57
it was humiliating for slaves to wear a uniform00:47:01
and praise the person whom they00:47:04
called the king who illuminated it00:47:06
ownership of slaves one hundred percent moreover00:47:09
already mentioned by us means brisu00:47:14
was one of the leaders of the struggle for00:47:17
liberation of course00:47:20
but we understand and at some point00:47:23
They00:47:24
see that these efforts It would seem00:47:27
correct and do not lead to a decrease00:47:31
inequalities or leads very slowly00:47:34
and another Wave Wave or00:47:37
on the contrary, they make it even more creepy00:47:41
inequality now I will say terrible00:47:45
and precisely in those countries00:47:49
which00:47:51
lagged behind in technological modernization00:47:54
from the leaders That is, they saw a gap between00:47:58
countries00:47:59
and at the same time they could not cope with00:48:02
internal social situation00:48:05
Socialism becomes dominant00:48:07
ideologies by the end of the 19th century What is this00:48:11
a country00:48:12
this is Germany France and Russia00:48:17
in different packaging Spain Italy also in00:48:23
different structurings00:48:24
but that's understandable00:48:27
ideological response to Well, let's put it this way00:48:30
Problems00:48:32
identified and00:48:35
grown at the previous stage when00:48:38
the first wave of these reforms, so to speak00:48:43
and social00:48:45
the key solution did not bring change00:48:50
Problems00:48:51
exploitation in the broad sense of the word is not00:48:54
only economic00:48:55
but I am categorically against those decisions00:49:01
which have been suggested I accept00:49:03
problem00:49:06
The Soviet project not only reversed00:49:09
attention of almost all socialists00:49:13
came from three such00:49:17
hypotheses first they believed that00:49:22
human needs00:49:24
can be somehow assessed from the point of view of00:49:28
Which ones are socially acceptable?00:49:30
No00:49:32
Well, isn't that so, no, it's impossible00:49:36
second, they proceeded from what was needed00:49:40
centrally collect resources and start00:49:44
redistribute them according to certain00:49:47
rules00:49:48
and also as a last resort00:49:51
fully plan the whole00:49:54
economic process00:49:56
And third, well, it’s less obvious, but they are all00:50:01
based on the fact that this would have to00:50:03
limit or redirect00:50:07
human occupations00:50:10
actually force one to do certain things00:50:13
types of employment again00:50:17
the most radical forms are00:50:19
acquires in labor armies00:50:23
Well, there were softer forms00:50:27
That is, in fact, the repertoire of achievement00:50:31
these goals00:50:33
turned out to be00:50:35
dysfunctional and counterproductive Yes00:50:37
why not workable when they were00:50:39
Serious victories were won00:50:45
how do you know that00:50:47
How did you win with something?00:50:52
super technological state00:50:55
era all of Europe than a stinking rat00:50:58
different from the fragrant ferret00:51:01
ferret PR is better00:51:04
there was no success00:51:07
all socialist experiments00:51:09
ended with either more or less00:51:12
failure00:51:15
Well, unless you notice his Chinese00:51:17
the people's Republic which made00:51:19
transition from socialism to00:51:20
listen to national specialism again00:51:24
And here too we will see in a complete step00:51:28
failure of those experiments00:51:31
cops are now trying to carry out00:51:34
why else see my answer what00:51:38
the reason is anthropological in nature00:51:42
anthropological because as soon as00:51:45
You00:51:46
start these large-scale00:51:49
redistribution you undermine in more00:51:52
or less degree of motivation for those who00:51:55
wants00:51:56
do something new00:52:00
you are undermining the foundation of entrepreneurship00:52:04
in the broad sense of the word00:52:06
entrepreneurship As a person's desire00:52:09
do it differently than others do00:52:13
Some of them turn out to be successful00:52:17
these entrepreneurs as soon as you00:52:18
you start making up ideas for people00:52:23
do and how then the results00:52:26
activities should be properly redistributed00:52:28
you are the engine of social development00:52:32
you undermine you do not solve problems00:52:34
justice00:52:36
you destroy in the long run00:52:39
perspective00:52:41
the basis of development, that is, such an apology00:52:46
hero Ayn Rand you get that00:52:49
only this one you understand John00:52:52
gond who seems to be rushing uncontrollably into00:52:56
such rage00:52:57
rebuild the world and subjugate it00:52:59
his such rage she is the engine00:53:01
Progress is the engine of the whole future00:53:04
look except of course00:53:07
Means00:53:12
Well, apparently I didn’t really understand00:53:16
that during this period when I wrote00:53:18
anthroponization00:53:22
moved primarily into the sphere of knowledge00:53:24
you understand00:53:29
now it's structured differently than it was before00:53:32
arranged in the 19th or 18th century now00:53:37
the type of this has changed dramatically00:53:41
entrepreneurial action00:53:44
we're taking a short break now00:53:47
then we will then we will return to our00:53:50
conversation Now please Everyone00:53:52
viewers focus on the screen00:53:55
friends, I have already told you many times00:53:58
about how important it is to find your place in00:54:01
in this fast changing world disappear00:54:04
familiar areas of business to replace them00:54:06
new professions and new ways are coming00:54:09
making money example insurance market00:54:13
just yesterday there were offices everywhere00:54:15
there were queues to get insurance A00:54:18
today everything is done through the portal00:54:20
remote insurance services it00:54:24
firmly enter our lives and these00:54:27
replace those familiar to us yesterday00:54:30
business sphere and now is the time00:54:33
I'm thinking about changing my specialty again00:54:37
I recommend you pay attention to the language00:54:40
programming poet is very00:54:43
popular and in demand language00:54:46
specialists are literally in high demand00:54:48
their salaries increase annually by more than00:54:52
This language is great for people00:54:54
without it in programming but to learn00:54:58
he can on educational platform00:55:01
skillbox practice course speakers from00:55:04
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more than a hundred practical works are real00:55:10
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work within 6 months But if you don’t00:55:27
will you go to work during this time skillbox00:55:30
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for lessons you have forever and also00:55:37
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pick up the course with a 60 percent discount So00:55:55
what if you were thinking about a change00:55:57
profession, now is the time to do00:56:00
own choice00:56:03
transmission Here's a pause right to ours00:56:07
talking about new technological00:56:09
I would like to specialize in these00:56:11
return to our reality because00:56:13
viewers ask the story of the conversation about00:56:17
a story about the history of the Revolution about00:56:20
justice always00:56:21
as if they allow us to escape the description00:56:24
reality Let's get back to your00:56:27
Paranoia What00:56:29
means as you said there When your00:56:33
Paranoia turns out to be canceling working00:56:35
intuition00:56:36
Describe your paranoia that00:56:41
your cancellation turned out to work00:56:44
intuition00:56:46
Well, look, no matter how you00:56:49
psychoanalyst Yes, I am, but this is your conclusion00:56:53
philosopher00:56:54
profitable long time you posted it in your00:56:57
social networks are interesting but00:57:00
look here Let's immediately your students00:57:03
sent me this and noticed it00:57:05
says Ask Ask him00:57:07
comment00:57:08
but you promised, by the way, questions from the chat but00:57:13
look now let's go back to00:57:16
step back00:57:18
So00:57:25
This00:57:27
a person's right to do something different from what they are doing00:57:30
different than everyone else does00:57:34
This is his right to be the owner00:57:39
yourself and your intentions00:57:44
this is what it revolves around00:57:47
discussions00:57:49
Well, let's say the end of the 17th beginning of the 18th century00:57:54
this is the pubic concept00:57:57
property not things not property00:58:02
and the right to act00:58:06
create something00:58:09
and Please note if you have00:58:14
it worked if your project was successful00:58:19
then be able to extract from00:58:22
results of your labor00:58:25
higher income than others00:58:30
and few people actually understand00:58:33
What00:58:34
Robinson Crusoe00:58:36
who, as you remember, came to the island00:58:40
and 28 years there, well, I did something, there is something00:58:46
some literary image00:58:49
concept of property00:58:52
property is first of all you00:58:55
myself00:58:57
yours00:58:59
naturally inherited00:59:02
or benefit of acquired competencies00:59:04
knowledge00:59:05
and therefore it makes sense to invest in it00:59:09
meaningfully develop these competencies00:59:13
and products of your activities00:59:18
and if someone interferes with you00:59:23
self-determination00:59:24
implementation of your entrepreneurial00:59:27
project00:59:28
or extracting income from received00:59:32
you as a result of these efforts property00:59:38
then this is it00:59:41
If you want to00:59:43
destruction of the development process00:59:46
a whole series of00:59:49
restrictions00:59:51
what can't you do00:59:54
enshrined in the legal framework00:59:58
and actually further You can say01:00:02
Using the Hessian term that01:00:05
19th 20th century is the century of law enforcement01:00:09
business activities in01:00:11
different areas once again it is not only01:00:14
entrepreneur who creates new01:00:17
industrial enterprises01:00:20
this includes scientists who create01:00:23
new knowledge01:00:25
these are teachers who start differently01:00:27
teach Why this knowledge should01:00:30
must be considered as01:00:33
some market value why don't they01:00:36
may be considered as01:00:37
public value Why market01:00:40
must01:00:42
dictate your01:00:45
everything is the opposite, look at your unique ones01:00:49
the knowledge you have acquired, including01:00:52
during the implementation of your project they will01:00:56
you at your fingertips01:00:58
interested in giving them01:01:01
the value of this knowledge you are interested in01:01:04
get a patent01:01:07
Let's say you gave an example of your01:01:10
family So I will also give an example: My grandfather01:01:12
born a Belarusian peasant life01:01:14
graduated as a doctor means habel doctor01:01:17
Humboldt University01:01:20
7 languages he acquired this knowledge from01:01:23
he was quite normal01:01:25
doctor's increase in living space there01:01:28
salary about 400 rubles You know this01:01:30
big salary with what he's on01:01:32
part-time, that means he kept books there01:01:34
were published and so on, he was not at all01:01:37
wanted to privatize it, his ethics are not01:01:41
told him Save this Vasily Fomich01:01:43
to pass on the Secret to your inheritance01:01:46
families01:01:47
and there were a lot of people like that01:01:50
I know he said Take people I'm like01:01:52
castle type I give you the fire of my knowledge and01:01:56
your competencies01:01:57
competencies must, as they say, be01:02:00
privatized now again Look you01:02:04
turn over01:02:08
Okay then I'll try again01:02:11
turn it over01:02:13
look01:02:15
You deny the experience of socialism as extremely01:02:19
negative you say it absolutely01:02:20
negative experience Well, how is it but it’s not01:02:23
just like there, along with everyone01:02:24
public01:02:26
history segment01:02:29
negative01:02:31
as if they coexist with positive ones too01:02:35
experience, they ask you from the chat if01:02:39
cannot be solved by socialist methods01:02:43
problems of justice as then she01:02:45
is generally decided01:02:48
But we discussed with you, you invest01:02:51
this term has completely different meanings01:02:56
rely on Kant, but Kant is already acceptable01:03:00
refuted01:03:02
the end of the 19th century with entire philosophical01:03:05
schools simply openly mocked Nietzsche01:03:07
above the edge you understand There and so on01:03:10
morality01:03:12
some part of philosophy We take She01:03:15
good and what part of philosophy are we not01:03:18
we take there Heidoger Nazi so no01:03:21
we consider being and existence01:03:23
which may be driven there by motives01:03:25
man how to achieve justice01:03:27
Petr Georgievich I don’t know how to achieve01:03:30
I only understand justice so far01:03:32
the next thing is large-scale01:03:37
social experiments01:03:39
built on the principles01:03:42
total planning01:03:44
redistribution of resources about01:03:46
concentration of these resources in the hands01:03:48
administrative bodies01:03:50
and that means01:03:53
greater or lesser dictate of forms01:03:57
employment01:03:58
during the 20th century and probably still01:04:03
we'll be watching this for a while01:04:05
until they suffered a complete collapse01:04:10
example examples that someone lived well01:04:14
means received means stable01:04:17
salary and benefits package nothing01:04:19
decide because when we're a little bit01:04:22
we expand the time frames then we01:04:25
we find out that these socialist01:04:27
the experiments are over01:04:29
total economic failure and what01:04:32
the scale of this planning was greater01:04:35
redistribution and dictate forms01:04:37
the more busy there was01:04:40
this is the devastation that arose in01:04:43
As a result, there was devastation from 29 to 3201:04:47
in the USA you understand the described American01:04:50
literature due to overabundance01:04:52
production there were other reasons How01:04:55
they say crises arise Why01:04:57
a crisis01:04:59
eighties of the XX century Soviet01:05:02
we applaud as if you understand01:05:05
inference from the entire system01:05:08
I am not at all an apologist for the Soviet Union01:05:11
like the economic model that you got me01:05:13
just got it right I rather me01:05:16
rather, in polemics I don’t applaud at all01:05:18
Marx on this issue in his way01:05:22
raising the state to a certain01:05:25
pedestal I rather As they say to me01:05:28
more interesting than Bakunin's criticism, as you know01:05:30
when Bakunin asked Marx the question Well01:05:32
ok let's say your charge won01:05:34
who will manage and in essence it01:05:37
some gray people with01:05:39
briefcases which are what Mark looks like wildly01:05:42
known to be angry with Bakunin, cursed01:05:44
and called him an agent of the secret police and became01:05:46
all sorts of nasty things about him but the truth01:05:48
turned out to be Bakunin in fact. This is it01:05:51
ruined but01:05:54
what will happen next Pyotr Yuryevich01:05:57
then we enter the era when speech01:05:59
It’s not about machines anymore, it’s not about factories01:06:03
cars are not about what is possible01:06:05
control what you can touch where01:06:08
Let's go there, relatively speaking, with a rifle and01:06:11
say come on, share it there01:06:13
machine this machine works we are talking about01:06:16
it-technologies agent engineering01:06:20
biotechnology new technological01:06:22
stage there is such a feeling We all have Well01:06:27
for those who, of course, are not mired in the absolute01:06:30
selfishness And what do the ruling elites of the world want?01:06:35
to secure such an advantage01:06:38
to master these new technologies01:06:41
Under the pretext01:06:43
and gentle developments which are everything else01:06:47
humanity will be thrown back01:06:52
somewhere down from which from this bottoms01:06:56
we won't be able to get out because01:06:59
against01:07:01
informational01:07:03
biotechnological genetic dictate has already01:07:07
rifle and already a revolutionary sailor01:07:10
won’t help Frankly, it’s not even clear01:07:13
where to go who to come with a demand01:07:16
temporary sweets like this01:07:19
development01:07:20
technological with social01:07:22
can't it lead to injustice?01:07:24
to such absolute tyranny that01:07:27
described in the most terrible utopias when01:07:30
ruling Elite will be like gods on Earth01:07:33
and only by their grace everything else01:07:36
humanity will live and as they say01:07:39
be nourished01:07:42
Well, the question is clear, the question is clear How01:07:46
protect humanity from01:07:49
Progress will be in the hands of a narrow class01:07:51
You also talk about class01:07:53
entrepreneurs Marx spoke about class01:07:57
proletarians who have nothing to lose except01:07:59
of your chains And you're talking about class01:08:02
entrepreneurs who have something to lose01:08:04
once again when again class01:08:06
position I don't tell the class01:08:09
entrepreneur I'm here01:08:11
I think it's really good01:08:19
I'm talking about entrepreneurial start01:08:24
in human01:08:26
in anthropological type01:08:31
in man01:08:33
this person has this tendency01:08:38
come up with new things and do things differently01:08:41
others do01:08:42
it is this ability01:08:46
through in the second third derivative01:08:49
creates what we call economic01:08:53
profit01:08:55
because why are you logicalizing this?01:08:58
Petr Georgievich history of mankind01:09:00
there is another line there is Buddha for example01:09:03
who will not be thrown out to help there01:09:06
trash heap of history who said01:09:08
Leave this fuss These are your illusions01:09:11
just do what they do01:09:15
and so on, this is also in01:09:19
humanity Not only this desire01:09:20
profit and development01:09:25
from this Like a swoon, like from an illusion like01:09:29
from a terrible curse I will count01:09:32
what are you saying on behalf of your01:09:35
audience01:09:37
profit is only a way to measure01:09:39
it's a shame to think like that01:09:43
I understand It's not that I'm ashamed but01:09:47
it seems to me that you are wiser to hear01:09:50
what I say is profit This way01:09:52
measurements01:09:55
you see, the new one needs to be evaluated somehow01:09:59
in terms of its effectiveness01:10:01
relatively old01:10:04
If you forbid people to do new things01:10:08
and if you destroy, of course you can’t01:10:11
ban a person in the Soviet Union for01:10:14
entrepreneurial activity01:10:15
shot01:10:17
why is this But what is production01:10:19
pies is this new or something again I01:10:21
I’m not talking at all Oh by the way new01:10:24
the production of pies is new of course01:10:27
And what01:10:28
it seemed to me that the new ones were quantum01:10:31
new physics is it some kind01:10:34
supervm as it was called Soviet there01:10:37
Elbrus didn’t remember what it was01:10:40
then there was look, this is another new one01:10:53
modern economists said they all01:10:57
time they want to get milk without a cow01:11:00
you see, there are no Elbrus computers if01:11:03
people don't make them01:11:06
there is no there is no technology01:11:09
which someone would not have created and01:11:11
invented01:11:13
everything that surrounds us is a result01:11:17
human thinking and activity01:11:20
trial and error and trying if you want01:11:25
launch some kind of production01:11:27
the process does not matter what knowledge or machines01:11:30
and equipment01:11:33
saving resources01:11:35
while maintaining the quality of the product you01:11:39
should be able to01:11:40
do better and more efficiently than this01:11:44
others do and then you have01:11:47
Delta which can also be01:11:50
economically evaluate01:11:52
if it started for some reason01:11:57
replaced by administrative enthusiasm01:12:01
or destroyed in order to01:12:04
to level out the social structure in order to01:12:08
no one stuck out01:12:09
Well look, why don't you01:12:12
spread the idea of justice to01:12:15
mind01:12:16
there's a smart person, it's unfair01:12:18
that he is smarter than others01:12:21
right unfair let's get it01:12:24
we'll shoot Shpet, you understand that01:12:27
pronounce it as Randomness And I01:12:30
I affirm that this is natural, what01:12:33
Only you01:12:34
Do you think that entrepreneurial start01:12:37
in the broad sense of the word it is not important for01:12:40
development And this can be done on the basis01:12:44
what01:12:48
redistribution of the available resource then I01:12:52
I never say so, it won’t happen either01:12:56
I never in my life said take it and01:13:00
share this do you know this01:13:02
cartoon image01:13:04
caricature of social idea01:13:07
no one says that to justice01:13:09
take divide no vice versa put01:13:12
put01:13:15
mind brains intellect for the service of society But01:13:19
so that fastening them01:13:22
efficiency was not due to market mechanisms01:13:25
not market and what other mechanisms?01:13:28
can be a criterion for the effectiveness of the mind and01:13:31
intelligence, see What are they for?01:13:34
market mechanism01:13:36
so that if you succeed01:13:39
come up with something new so you can have01:13:42
resource for the next step01:13:46
so that you don't have to go to01:13:50
idiotic means an idiot investor or01:13:53
to the bank01:13:55
for you to start self-financing01:13:58
venture because who else but you01:14:02
who has completed a successful project can01:14:05
come up with a new project01:14:07
again this is not a guarantee01:14:10
But this is your base for the next step.01:14:14
as soon as this resource is taken away from you01:14:19
to quickly quickly divide by01:14:21
everyone else and stop doing it01:14:24
repeating this mantra is no good01:14:27
Sharikov did not actually exist in history01:14:30
But just so you know it's great there01:14:32
divided among everyone the worker received there01:14:35
100 rubles you understand And the director of the plant01:14:38
received 800 rubles there was none01:14:42
there was never any relationship anywhere01:14:45
to entrepreneurship01:14:47
this is what Bakunin wrote to Marx about01:14:50
When you change entrepreneurial01:14:54
model for an authorized manager you01:14:57
completely destroy all motivational01:15:00
development base01:15:02
a person stops inventing something01:15:04
because01:15:10
only greed and pride move01:15:13
no progress because now there are two01:15:17
very important points01:15:19
entrepreneurial profits are temporary01:15:22
because as soon as you come up with something new01:15:24
they immediately begin to replicate it and from01:15:26
everyone wins it01:15:28
you understand, we didn’t win from bolton01:15:32
steam engine and the whole world is01:15:36
including those workers won by Britain01:15:39
which conquered the whole world once again01:15:43
the entrepreneur makes his profit01:15:45
very short term Just like new01:15:49
knowledge01:15:50
you as soon as this new knowledge01:15:53
it can potentially be produced01:15:55
instantly spread and be adopted01:15:58
Thank God that doesn't happen01:16:01
primarily due to human stupidity01:16:04
and She remains a property for some time01:16:07
those who came up with it, thank God because01:16:11
if it weren't so no one would01:16:13
was not engaged in new research01:16:15
for selfish gain01:16:16
it's not about the money ok no look01:16:20
and the second very important point and cannot01:16:23
there be no class of entrepreneurs01:16:25
because one time you came up with a01:16:29
the second time you didn’t come up with anything and01:16:31
flew out of this01:16:32
small group of people01:16:35
whose composition is constantly01:16:38
transforms, that's the whole point01:16:42
let's take an unpleasant question and an unpleasant01:16:45
an example that is not usually accepted01:16:48
discuss at least not discuss it01:16:49
somehow strange for intellectuals Okay01:16:51
we are all discussing the Soviet Union and there01:16:53
there's a lot to dig into and so on01:16:56
Next, let's take Nazi Germany like this01:16:58
called the Nazi miracle here 32 year 2001:17:03
it's the thirtieth year there, it's a country with wild01:17:05
there is practically nothing about inflation01:17:07
thirty-eighth year is Mighty01:17:11
economics is Schrödinger is Heisenberg01:17:13
there they are physicists, chemists, engineers who01:17:18
work based on ideology01:17:20
National Socialism which is not in the head01:17:22
feeling of unity with the nation of the free01:17:25
market as such in Germany No there is01:17:28
state corporations that work01:17:30
Almost everything is effective, both cereals and01:17:32
chemical corporations are becoming01:17:35
states One can of course say that01:17:37
it led to the war that there was a war01:17:40
inevitable as they say01:17:42
consequence of all this Nazi01:17:45
experiment and in some world01:17:47
Nazi economic miracle but here01:17:49
it's like you Describe what they have01:17:51
happened Here you go, state01:17:54
quite interfered and quite01:17:56
controlled01:17:58
Although without any distribution01:18:01
But it was not a free market either.01:18:05
American sense or British or01:18:07
even in French01:18:08
and yes it was a successful project No01:18:13
Certainly01:18:15
Well, of course not, there are some miracles there01:18:18
there were technological ones there01:18:21
Wulfs01:18:23
there you see, just not one of01:18:27
there were no serious projects until the end01:18:29
implemented you know like hundreds with Volkswagen01:18:31
let's do it means it's popular01:18:33
a car for a thousand marks but for everyone01:18:36
it will be up to some to find out later01:18:39
nothing can be done means look Yes01:18:42
We've gone back a step. So01:18:46
countries that are lagging behind are catching up01:18:50
industrialization01:18:53
concerned about the growing gap from the leaders and01:18:56
trying to solve internal problems01:18:59
them based on01:19:01
mobilization ideologies01:19:04
they may be more01:19:07
less socialist01:19:10
socialist01:19:11
you see, Mussolini seemed to be there before01:19:16
how to become01:19:17
the head of the country was a socialist01:19:22
but fascism can also be considered01:19:26
Japan went through a similar path01:19:30
militarization01:19:32
economy01:19:37
external aggression to create01:19:39
quasi-markets for selling their01:19:42
not competitive enough01:19:44
products01:19:45
and pumping up large projects01:19:48
most of which are from my point of view01:19:50
vision still ends in failure01:19:54
Yes, we can then trace it very01:19:57
distant means a consequence of some01:20:01
scientific development of experiments01:20:05
but by itself01:20:08
short term it's None01:20:10
these had no effect as well as01:20:13
large-scale catch-up growth Because01:20:15
if we look at production volumes01:20:17
do not grow sharply But if we look at01:20:20
profit once again profit is not about01:20:23
self-interest is about efficiency01:20:26
then she falls01:20:29
volumes are growing and profit margins are falling01:20:35
Maksim01:20:38
Yes, I was just in a chat. You looked there.01:20:41
wanted questions from the chat and there actually01:20:43
there are actually interesting questions for01:20:45
Petergovich's comments I would like01:20:47
a few words about the current situation01:20:49
is the modern world conflict01:20:52
crisis Russian-Ukrainian conflict01:20:55
what's happening in the Middle East01:20:59
other regions what is planned01:21:02
manifestation01:21:04
change of ways so roughly formulate01:21:07
question01:21:08
Well look, let's repeat mine then01:21:11
mantra01:21:12
means from my point of view that's it01:21:15
in this first third01:21:17
new big wave of development we are in it01:21:20
We are roughly in our twentieth year01:21:22
out of 5001:21:24
In the meantime, a new platform has not emerged01:21:28
technologies and so far not based on it01:21:31
a new one has begun so steady growth is01:21:35
not fast it's not tomorrow01:21:38
deploys at least 4 types01:21:40
conflicts01:21:42
The first type of conflict is the conflict between01:21:44
potential leader of the New Wave and01:21:47
old leader01:21:49
our old leader is01:21:50
United States01:21:52
and we don’t know the new leader, but there’s a conflict01:21:56
between China and the United States01:21:59
fits into this type01:22:04
the second is a conflict between several01:22:06
countries01:22:08
claiming leadership in the New Wave01:22:12
What kind of countries are these?01:22:17
so far we only see China Indie01:22:20
of such new ones01:22:23
candidates but it is quite possible that01:22:26
there is something we just don’t see and somewhere this01:22:29
contender we have countries All counting we01:22:32
It’s not necessary to look at the map01:22:33
countries may not be countries then01:22:36
what if then what is it if not countries01:22:40
again01:22:42
formally01:22:45
we follow them because they are large blocks01:22:48
trading or more complex01:22:52
institutional assemblies either remains01:22:56
the option that we will follow the path01:23:00
major cities01:23:03
and actually the leaders of this01:23:06
transition period of the new Industrial01:23:08
Revolutions for the next 100 to 150 years01:23:11
will become large cities01:23:13
which what is monetized01:23:15
emancipated from the states you are now01:23:19
Sobyanin is just some kind of terrible hole01:23:21
you dig Well look they are already now they are already01:23:24
now in terms of production volumes01:23:28
some cities are larger than some countries01:23:30
How well do you know Moscow, for example?01:23:33
Moscow has nothing to do with it, but yes, that means01:23:37
there are major world cities let's do this01:23:39
Hong Kong01:23:42
Well okay Singapore Hong Kong financial01:23:46
There and so on means large means01:23:50
Such a network of cities in China means01:23:56
cities whose numbers are already01:23:59
is now approaching 100 million people01:24:03
So this scenario remains I believe it01:24:06
not very realistic but reset01:24:10
don't need it from your accounts01:24:11
now the third type of conflict is01:24:15
conflicts between outsider countries01:24:18
place in the new system of international01:24:20
cultivation So the Leader changes01:24:24
a new one begins to form around him01:24:26
system for taking a place in it01:24:28
countries compete with each other01:24:33
logically understandable01:24:36
logically understandable it's as if you01:24:38
are you talking about some cardboard ones?01:24:41
figures, but in reality we see something01:24:44
what we see We are inside the horror01:24:48
We have the twentieth year, another 30 years people01:24:52
always asked on Maxim's streams01:24:54
Do you know how much longer we have to suffer? I say01:24:56
you'll be around until you're 3001:24:58
suffer And you're already talking01:25:02
about 60 before but look here with you01:25:06
you constantly deal with different situations01:25:08
streams And I rarely talk to01:25:10
viewers It's only thanks to you01:25:12
so that means I have a little bit of a fourth01:25:16
the type of conflict is no less important01:25:19
conflicts within countries, including01:25:21
leaders01:25:24
for the development model01:25:26
because the problem is01:25:29
Here you gave an example with China in China01:25:32
actually competition between01:25:35
entrepreneurial version01:25:37
And01:25:38
administrative and she is now01:25:41
worsened, that is, for some time they01:25:44
walked and it seemed that there was no between them01:25:46
contradictions that they complement each other and01:25:49
support each other and now01:25:51
there was an aggravation01:25:54
where it will lead I don't know01:25:57
it may, in particular, lead to01:26:00
that China will drop out of this race01:26:03
wrong01:26:06
by coordinating these motivational01:26:10
anthropo structures Sorry for the expression01:26:13
it all depends it all depends ultimately01:26:17
on what people spend on01:26:20
your energy, time and efforts for the sake of01:26:24
war is not the way01:26:27
Well, let's put it this way: Overcoming the backlog for01:26:31
those countries that start war01:26:36
seen from a bird's eye view01:26:39
No01:26:40
this always leads to both01:26:44
participant Well, or several participants01:26:45
conflicts are falling lower in this one here01:26:50
ladder of echeloned development01:26:55
this can happen for 20 years for 30 years01:26:58
look at the second first two world wars01:27:01
the wars made America undeniably world-class01:27:03
100% leader precisely because01:27:06
Irik was beyond the reach of destruction01:27:08
the destruction did not affect its territory at all01:27:11
took place on the territory of Europe, China and01:27:14
Japan and Russia naturally, well01:27:16
Soviet Union So here's to you01:27:19
please there are Americans01:27:21
conspiracy theory that they were01:27:23
extremely interested at least01:27:25
the first war They could not influence01:27:27
the second one definitely could have. Please note But01:27:29
it can also be said that England01:27:31
became a leader in moments of escalation means01:27:35
European thunder Napoleon European01:27:38
troops01:27:39
lost everything much earlier at first 1801:27:43
centuries before01:27:45
XVIII lost because they did01:27:48
wrong bet I know this one of yours01:27:50
theory again now01:27:55
Yes, but almost always those countries that01:27:59
then they become a leader and go through a stage01:28:03
internal crisis01:28:06
crisis clash around the model01:28:10
development01:28:12
United States Civil War01:28:14
this is a typical example of such a crisis01:28:19
I'm ready to argue on this topic now, not01:28:21
I want to delve deeper into American01:28:23
civil war because it's well01:28:26
to some extent a civil war in the United States01:28:28
can be described as01:28:31
southerners who relied on01:28:34
transnational capitalism because01:28:36
their subjects experts were slaves tobacco there01:28:40
and sugar Industrial North01:28:45
Industrial North which goes to England01:28:49
walked because England01:28:51
and the North, which both relied on01:28:54
Detroit built its expansion there01:28:56
Chicago all sorts of things and railroads01:29:01
Let's move on to the questions, see01:29:04
Earl sweatshirt asks friends Write01:29:07
please chat questions Right now01:29:09
It's time for questions now01:29:11
literally another 15 minutes of your questions in01:29:15
in such a regime of such a blitz Why not01:29:18
build a conditional Nazi Germany01:29:19
speed up the achievement of revolutionary01:29:22
technologies like nanomachines on the horizon01:29:24
singular technology can other these01:29:27
entrepreneurs I'm even so stupid01:29:30
questions and what is this not a stupid question Well01:29:34
look again like01:29:38
experiment ahead01:29:42
experiment Well I wouldn't want to01:29:44
experiments with construction01:29:46
Nazi Germany01:29:47
I'll be honest01:29:49
So01:29:54
so here they scold you, they praise you Peter, I don’t01:29:58
I won’t drive this on then there’s no need01:30:02
[music]01:30:04
Please questions questions questions01:30:07
they are your opinions I will not be your opinion01:30:11
bring out01:30:14
but an interesting novel by Galileo means01:30:16
Peter does not have a model but is on01:30:19
level of deliberation01:30:21
the model is not needed for forecasting01:30:25
orientation my model is built by me01:30:29
been doing this for 40 years she built it01:30:31
helps me navigate01:30:34
but she can't predict01:30:38
time01:30:40
before the time of certain events I01:30:44
I roughly understand what will happen01:30:45
take place01:30:46
but I can't say when and most01:30:50
cases I can’t say where01:30:54
at the same time, they immediately praise you Peter01:30:57
Shchedrovitsky is amazingly smart01:30:59
well educated interesting Well this is with01:31:02
human-oriented philosophy and01:31:04
him and his nature is your philosophy01:31:06
focused on human nature01:31:09
he is precisely focused on what01:31:11
you subordinate a person to some objective01:31:14
law or you these laws you will be from01:31:17
human nature but look for me01:31:20
the key is the relationship between01:31:22
person and activity and activity01:31:25
this is primarily previous experience01:31:28
humanity01:31:31
reflexively01:31:33
squeezed into culture and passed on to us01:31:37
each of us during our education01:31:40
and further in relation to this earlier01:31:44
due to the experience that has occurred, a person is forced01:31:46
define yourself and take a stand01:31:50
one way or the other I focused my01:31:54
conversation around this position01:31:57
creating a new creation01:32:00
one of the main problem I agree This is01:32:03
always The main problem is How to force01:32:06
people actually work01:32:09
human children children01:32:13
at the age of three already01:32:16
are determined later, the main thing is not to interfere01:32:19
support these sprouts01:32:22
without forcing them to do what they don't01:32:27
they want to do it, no way, without forcing it01:32:30
you are of course a very father of many children, I to01:32:33
I relate to your experience with great respect01:32:35
attention in this matter especially But01:32:37
because children should be forced to read there01:32:39
learn to read write count play01:32:43
piano there and so on01:32:49
And they don’t master everything else if they01:32:53
interesting to solve some problems01:32:55
that is, we need to problematize01:32:58
So let's not leave pedagogy now01:33:00
this is a huge topic but the following is important01:33:03
need to01:33:04
grow slowly01:33:08
self-determining ability01:33:12
and then the question about this one01:33:16
enterprise01:33:18
creative beginning01:33:20
turns out to be much more versatile01:33:26
this is a difficult thing we've had on air01:33:30
Artem Soloveichik who is very much about this01:33:33
you speak deeply and professionally01:33:35
you know, this teacher is one of the best01:33:37
modern teacher Let's move on01:33:40
Marina Gurzhey01:33:42
says so Revolution engine for01:33:45
the whole world and not for our country01:33:48
the revolution liberated all Colonial01:33:49
countries01:33:52
everyone has their own story01:33:56
So01:33:59
you get praised and you get scolded like that01:34:06
inevitably with01:34:10
So, Peter Tutaev says that thinking01:34:14
industrial revolutions which we01:34:16
We understand that this is inevitably connected with01:34:19
social economic shocks01:34:21
before Peter says we talked about it01:34:22
we are somewhere in the first part01:34:25
nightmares that are inevitable from the point of view01:34:28
Peter Yuryevich and our experience about history01:34:31
humanity accompanies the transition to01:34:33
a new stage to a new level for me this is01:34:37
the main thing is how to do it so that01:34:40
the fruits of this Revolution were not01:34:42
usurped not even by class but by Caste01:34:46
Castes that can be usurped at the expense of01:34:49
possession and usurpation of institutions of power01:34:51
this is one of the main questions for me01:34:53
modernity01:34:56
let's say we have a mask phenomenon you01:34:58
By the way, the big stream said that you are there01:35:01
you won't touch the masks, I asked you01:35:03
I wish this was a question from me Musk01:35:06
This01:35:07
fictional character Despite all that01:35:10
we have no doubt that he is talented01:35:12
smart unusual person He is PR01:35:16
image or is it really like this01:35:20
[music]01:35:21
visualization of the hero Atlas Shrugged01:35:25
shoulders mentioned books01:35:29
what type of entrepreneurship used to be01:35:33
entire economic economic sphere01:35:35
it also changes over time01:35:38
But Arkwright is one thing Ford This is absolutely01:35:41
another and Musk is the third today01:35:44
of course we are talking about such01:35:46
entrepreneurial teams or01:35:48
communities or as they sometimes tell me01:35:51
I don’t like the term but the meaning is clear01:35:53
ecosystem01:35:55
That is, this is what I once called01:35:59
anthrop structures01:36:00
structures consisting of people01:36:03
cohesive networks01:36:05
sharing common visions01:36:09
current events image of the future01:36:13
these are the teams today01:36:18
one person has a hard time coming up with new ones01:36:22
copes with a similar task01:36:25
Petrovich described the coat of arms in terms01:36:28
collective thoughts activity Here But01:36:30
we won't go out there today we won't01:36:34
Bye01:36:36
Well, there are a lot of just your videos01:36:38
interview on social networks Who wants01:36:40
deeper friends get acquainted with philosophy01:36:44
thoughts activities philosophy Georgy01:36:47
Petrovich of Shchedrovitsky's father Peter01:36:49
Yuryevich watch Petrodervich’s lectures01:36:52
social development what to debate01:36:55
with them because I won't ask01:36:57
questions about methodology Are you true?01:37:00
are the Sentologist sects there who01:37:03
all sorts of Evil Ones whisper into the ears of the authorities01:37:06
projects because01:37:08
You have refused to comment many times01:37:10
as if it were all with laughter Well, here I am01:37:15
the doctor asks a simple question which way01:37:17
development of Russia, obviously based on the01:37:21
the situation in which Russia is today01:37:22
located you see01:37:26
and before the beginning of 22 I proceeded from that01:37:31
that the transition to the entrepreneurial path01:37:34
development includes 3 catching up01:37:37
industrialization of Russia is possible although01:37:40
very difficult But every year I01:37:42
it seemed that everything was more difficult01:37:44
but maybe now I have an answer to this01:37:47
no question01:37:50
How is this so01:37:53
you have Yes no answer to the question no I I01:37:57
you know how remember how in known this01:38:00
the joke is still unknown Yes, that means when01:38:04
gave me a watch, let's answer it this way01:38:07
this question It depends on the outcome of the war01:38:08
by and large If there is a war or01:38:12
what do you call it Marlezon ballet01:38:14
special military operation01:38:17
it means if defeat is one thing01:38:21
future if Victory is a different future01:38:25
I think there can be no Victory here01:38:32
I don’t know my opinion. Have you heard or not?01:38:36
heard I think that there can be neither01:38:37
defeat nor victory because it is not01:38:40
war is an attempt to artificially create01:38:43
artificially regulated conflict01:38:47
the purpose of which is to influence01:38:50
world markets financial and various types01:38:54
others Well, look again01:38:59
always when something like this arises01:39:01
conflicts A to a greater or lesser extent01:39:05
they always arise for a model of the future01:39:08
but or participation in some new01:39:11
next beat Well of course yes then the countries01:39:15
those caught in this conflict are released01:39:19
lower in this ladder of competition because01:39:24
that they are losing resources01:39:26
People are losing resources, losing resources, and so on.01:39:30
here at the same time you are correct01:39:34
They said that this is still a very common process01:39:39
who directs other players01:39:43
Yes, whose interests are varied01:39:48
and therefore we must understand that in that01:39:51
the moment when Germany means01:39:56
entered into war with other European01:39:59
countries including with the participation of Russia01:40:03
both of these countries were thrown back01:40:06
at least a step and maybe two steps01:40:10
back compared to their claims to01:40:13
leadership01:40:15
at the beginning of the 20th century both Germany and Russia01:40:18
claimed leadership in the new01:40:21
Industrial Revolution01:40:28
so I’m ready to argue about Russia01:40:31
indefinitely I think it's01:40:33
it’s an absolute fiction and deception that even here01:40:37
I gave the example of Donbass. We have01:40:39
such a meme Donbass Russian land I01:40:43
said look carefully beginning XX01:40:45
century until 18 Donbass was in01:40:47
Belgian British soil since01:40:49
even01:40:50
The land belonged01:40:53
joint stock company of novorossiya you01:40:55
you know very well which one you owned01:40:57
British aristocrats and John Hughes who01:41:00
it was created by or Hughes as they called him in01:41:03
Russia, he created this by proxy and01:41:07
Prince Kochubey was there only, as it were,01:41:11
chairman in fact And that's all01:41:13
the rest were British, there was capital01:41:15
Belgian in the seventeenth year Donbass01:41:18
should have become French as well as01:41:20
Baku, I was recently in Baku, there I01:41:22
they said that there was a Nobel there01:41:25
Rothschild excursion Magnificent How01:41:28
says Nobel Rothschild And where01:41:31
Russian then capital in Russian01:41:33
empire 80-odd percent it was01:41:37
foreign capital foreign01:41:39
economics then when you talk about01:41:41
some incredible industrial01:41:43
a revolution which Yes as resource01:41:46
applications to French Belgian01:41:48
or British capital to which Russia01:41:52
actually supplied human meat01:41:54
during the First World War01:41:56
paying for money for various kinds01:41:59
loans Yes, it can be considered that way, but she herself01:42:02
what kind of development leader is there?01:42:05
some 14 year old Peter says Well01:42:08
let's, as they say, look at it soberly01:42:10
things With all the love for the Soviet01:42:12
see the experiment01:42:15
side You've probably read the Memoirs01:42:18
Prince Alexander Mikhailovich how does he talk about01:42:21
implemented01:42:23
famous Sikorsky plane Ilya01:42:25
Muromets remember01:42:27
I just couldn’t implement it anywhere01:42:30
Alexander Mikhailovich was a Tolstoyan01:42:32
progressive was in opposition01:42:34
attitude towards the entire royal family was01:42:36
such is the enfant profit of this entire system01:42:38
so when Sikorsky is literally on01:42:40
crawled on his knees to the Grand Duke who01:42:43
was involved in innovation by the way01:42:46
other then on behalf of the sovereign Yes01:42:48
the emperor then he means so like that01:42:51
way there 40 Ilya Murom residents met01:42:56
The First World War and more01:42:58
There were no Russian planes. It happened.01:43:01
frozen what was more profitable to buy01:43:02
there are Bleriot Formans and all kinds01:43:06
French British planes were It01:43:08
was frozen by the British and01:43:10
French capitalists who do not01:43:13
didn’t they want any development in Russia?01:43:16
it's not like that look01:43:19
You're right01:43:22
there is, but you need to understand something else01:43:25
any industry01:43:28
done at least in the first stage01:43:31
for money previous01:43:35
that is, the Dutch financed01:43:37
English01:43:39
at the moment when it became clear that01:43:42
there will be nothing on its territory01:43:44
for various reasons they began to invest01:43:47
they invested not only as you know01:43:49
in England They invested in Russia and01:43:52
Peter 1 invested Now01:43:56
an American affair in many ways01:43:57
English capitals01:44:02
That's why01:44:03
and you're right and I'm right, but in the sense that01:44:07
that's how things are before01:44:10
The Industrial Revolution is creating this01:44:12
a financial cushion that is pointless01:44:15
invest in an old platform01:44:19
and the new platform will be in a different place01:44:23
and then this balance of course01:44:25
there were no own resources01:44:29
would be normal entrepreneurial01:44:31
community would have equity01:44:33
We have already discussed this with you in general01:44:36
Well, in short, answering your question, I01:44:40
same as a doctor and ways of development01:44:43
Peter says he doesn’t see a way01:44:45
development And I say depending on01:44:47
results As they say all these01:44:49
military experiments which means there01:44:52
Here’s an interesting question from Odessa: How01:44:54
Peter refers to anarchist ideas01:44:56
reserved as in my youth I am very01:45:00
sympathized01:45:02
as I grow older I relate to everything01:45:06
more more reserved in this sense I01:45:09
rather conservative01:45:14
According to Churchill's formula Yes in his youth01:45:17
anarchist with age As they say01:45:20
conservative01:45:22
Which model is ideal for our Russia?01:45:25
Alexander Pashkov is already interested01:45:27
answered I think there is no other01:45:30
ways other than the entrepreneurial model01:45:33
which from my point of view is Ripe01:45:36
late 19th early 20th century and then there was01:45:40
the Revolution was expressly cancelled.01:45:42
no socialist experiment01:45:45
and this model is ideal in this sense01:45:50
and how should the culture of ancestors influence01:45:53
development or culture interferes with the development of the self01:45:56
this question was raised, look great01:45:59
I also raised this question01:46:01
culture opposes development see01:46:04
Here01:46:07
Me and01:46:08
sides of Hesse And Mama Mordashvili can01:46:11
so to speak Although they are more about each other01:46:13
they didn't know everything about culture, this space01:46:15
creativity is not dead fragments01:46:20
artifacts of the past01:46:23
it's actually a collection of tasks01:46:26
which stand in different fields of science01:46:30
artistic creativity and so on and01:46:34
introduce the child Well representatives01:46:38
the younger generation into culture is01:46:41
means passing on this cultural baton01:46:45
These are not mine, these are not my words, these are literally01:46:48
quotes but I share them01:46:54
Well, I’ll read what culture is like01:46:57
a rather vague concept01:47:01
consider cultures and others consider others01:47:03
culture as we know the sheet rope tried01:47:08
through the iconic different things of culture01:47:11
describe it like this Well, let’s Petergovich01:47:14
finish already Thank you very much for01:47:16
this conversation is very interesting here01:47:20
reviews Even those who disagree with you01:47:22
thank you for taking the time01:47:26
come to us here and here let's go01:47:30
Let's see if only this question is for me01:47:32
seems normal question peter you yourself01:47:34
you definitely consider me a Russian person01:47:36
I speak and think in Russian01:47:39
And01:47:40
I hope that01:47:43
these are the philosophical relay races01:47:46
cultural creativity01:47:48
I somehow bear it on myself Well, it’s clear what’s wrong01:47:52
taking into account the school01:47:55
my education is specific. But01:47:59
I see such lines of continuity between01:48:03
philosophy of the 19th 20th and 21st centuries which I01:48:09
I try to continue then from myself01:48:12
project Question here is your wonderful project01:48:15
which in my opinion is just01:48:17
contribution to Russian thought from this story01:48:21
philosophy that you published multi-volume01:48:24
are you finished or are you continuing01:48:27
and I hope by the end of the year 59 Tom will go to01:48:33
the seal it is dedicated to01:48:37
Sergei Trubetskoy01:48:40
and also in terms of01:48:43
respectively01:48:45
11 volumes01:48:48
But if we publish like the last01:48:51
2 years means another six years or five01:48:55
if that means all this now01:48:58
if it gets complicated it could be more01:49:01
and of course I see01:49:04
the result of this project is great01:49:06
encyclopedia of Russian philosophy01:49:09
which will contain personal articles and01:49:12
all sorts of interesting stories with influence01:49:15
Russian philosophical thought on the world01:49:20
I just ask you to do this01:49:22
only in paper form because I01:49:24
let's say on paper it's hard to read I read01:49:27
mainly on iPad in electronic01:49:29
carriers you can have this one of yours 59 and so on01:49:32
further translate that into01:49:34
some electronic format01:49:36
in principle it’s planned, but here’s how01:49:40
there in the litresel bookmaker or there others01:49:43
I read in principle this is planned Although01:49:46
here, as you understand, is a small conflict01:49:48
interests between01:49:51
innovation, as we know, cannot be01:49:54
conflict of interest Overcoming01:49:56
conflict of interest There are conditions01:49:57
development I agree01:50:00
I thank you again As they say01:50:03
thank you very much01:50:06
both for this conversation and for the work01:50:10
Baltic states or there I don’t know what Korsavin01:50:13
I think he worked in Lithuania and there’s a story there01:50:15
philosophy Yes, until they took him out01:50:18
and were not buried there in Vilnius, Lithuania So01:50:22
that Russian philosophy is universal01:50:25
everywhere where people think in Russian01:50:28
philosophize in Russian01:50:30
write in Russian publish in Russian01:50:33
language it is there Thank you01:50:36
Petrovich goodbye Thank you Maxim and01:50:41
to everyone who asked questions too01:50:48
dear friends I say goodbye to you too01:50:51
Peter Shchedrovitsky was our guest01:50:55
We'll probably wait for Boris next week01:50:58
Kagarlitsky they write to me that they want from01:51:01
I'll call Kostya Konstantin Semin01:51:04
Semin and I will invite him too01:51:07
I will have different thinkers and01:51:09
leftist thoughts are not leftist thoughts and I hope that01:51:14
that audience who watches constantly01:51:17
my channel these conversations will be01:51:20
interesting because in our era of horror01:51:23
and for many despair and it seems01:51:26
conversations about the possibilities of the future and01:51:32
the fact that we have philosophical conversations inside us01:51:35
They01:51:37
give us some hope and support01:51:41
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The most convenient way is to use the UDL Client program, which supports converting video to MP3 format. In some cases, MP3 can also be downloaded through the UDL Helper extension.
How can I save a frame from a video "Петр Щедровицкий о добре и зле промышленной революции. В прямом эфире. 24.11.22"?
This feature is available in the UDL Helper extension. Make sure that "Show the video snapshot button" is checked in the settings. A camera icon should appear in the lower right corner of the player to the left of the "Settings" icon. When you click on it, the current frame from the video will be saved to your computer in JPEG format.
What's the price of all this stuff?
It costs nothing. Our services are absolutely free for all users. There are no PRO subscriptions, no restrictions on the number or maximum length of downloaded videos.