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cross-border incursions by Allied00:00:04
Ukrainian forces into Russia along with00:00:06
Biden reversing himself yet again and00:00:08
saying he would send F-16 fighter jets00:00:10
after refusing how do you assess the00:00:14
actual danger of escalation in terms of00:00:18
the possibility of some direct U.S00:00:20
Russia military conflict even as an00:00:22
episodic misperception and ultimately00:00:25
the longer term risks of things like00:00:27
all-out war between the west and Russia00:00:30
well the risks are extremely high00:00:32
because we have a very determined by the00:00:37
administration that wants to keep00:00:39
escalating Russia's absolutely00:00:41
determined to prevent NATO from00:00:44
enlarging to Ukraine for understandable00:00:47
reasons in my view it's a00:00:49
1900 kilometer border of Ukraine Russian00:00:53
Russia does not want00:00:55
the U.S military Alliance on its border00:00:58
and so as long as the Biden00:01:02
Administration and the media that are00:01:05
absolutely supporting it and disguising00:01:08
the basic facts continue to push this00:01:12
NATO enlargement we're going to have an00:01:15
escalating War this war was completely00:01:19
avoidable the party in this conflict00:01:23
that actually sought diplomacy00:01:26
repeatedly was Russia not something00:01:28
you'd read in the New York Times00:01:30
actually but the fact uh and it was00:01:34
Russia that put on the table00:01:37
on December 1700:01:40
2021 a draft U.S Russia security00:01:45
agreement to forestall the war I00:01:49
actually called the White House soon00:01:52
afterwards I said you've got the basis00:01:54
to negotiate avoid this war and I was00:01:58
told no we're not going to discuss NATO00:02:02
enlargement that's our business it's not00:02:04
Russia's business and I said are you00:02:06
kidding this is going to cause a massive00:02:09
and very dangerous war no this is our00:02:12
policy and so forth00:02:15
I you know you could ask the question if00:02:19
they did a little thought experiment to00:02:21
how would the Bible Administration think00:02:24
about Russia establishing military bases00:02:27
in Mexico probably not thrilled they00:02:31
probably wouldn't say well that's00:02:33
Mexico's Choice what are we going to do00:02:36
about it so a little bit of thinking and00:02:39
empathy might have gone a long way uh00:02:43
but we have heard almost nothing about00:02:47
it in in your expertise which I'm just00:02:52
amazed at day by day how the New York00:02:55
Times and other mainstream media twist00:02:58
all of this I recently uh asked an00:03:02
assistant of mine please uh do a scan00:03:04
for the last two years of the editorial00:03:07
pages of the New York Times 26 times00:03:10
the idea of unprovoked invasion has been00:03:14
raised by the New York Times in its00:03:17
editorials in its opinion Columns of the00:03:20
New York Times columnists like Tom00:03:22
Friedman and others and in the invited00:03:24
op-eds and you just can't get a word in00:03:28
otherwise you can't tell that readership00:03:31
you were just describing in Manhattan00:03:33
where I happen to live what's really00:03:35
going on so this is the00:03:38
frightening part and we're also told00:03:41
Glenn which is pretty damn weird don't00:03:45
worry about nuclear escalation don't be00:03:48
blackmailed by this my advice is worry00:03:50
and worry a lot and if you have been00:03:54
around these issues for a while and I00:03:56
have for decades and I wrote a book00:03:58
about the aftermath of the Cuban Missile00:04:01
Crisis and Kennedy's uh successful quest00:04:05
to negotiate a00:04:06
partial nuclear Test Ban Treaty with00:04:09
Nikita Khrushchev you know if you're not00:04:12
worried you just don't get it because00:04:15
you better be worried and I'm very00:04:17
worried about this Administration not00:04:19
getting it you know it was such a staple00:04:22
of Cold War culture Cold War policy that00:04:26
avoiding nuclear war was the single00:04:29
greatest priorities we were going around00:04:30
the world with these proxy conflicts00:04:32
against the Soviet Union we managed00:04:33
never to directly engage them militarily00:04:35
and even then misperception00:04:38
miscommunication did bring the world00:04:39
close to nuclear Annihilation at least00:04:42
on two occasions between the Soviet00:04:45
Union and the United States and yet it00:04:46
really does amaze me that we seem to00:04:49
have just kind of through I don't know00:04:51
inertia or lethargy or historical00:04:54
ignorance come to view the risk of00:04:56
nuclear war as basically00:04:58
a fiction is kind of assigning zero00:05:01
value to it or even this kind of Macho00:05:03
attitude that we're not going to be00:05:04
deterred by00:05:07
the country having nuclear weapons talk00:05:09
a little bit about you know in the time00:05:11
that you've been working in all the00:05:13
things that I discussed in these kind of00:05:15
geopolitical uh framework even from an00:05:18
economics perspective the Specter of00:05:20
Nucor Warren how it used to be kind of00:05:23
important for people and policy makers00:05:25
and deciding what they wouldn't wouldn't00:05:26
do00:05:28
you know there was one moment when Biden00:05:32
was caught on tape saying uh you know00:05:35
we're on a path to Armageddon uh this is00:05:38
uh I think it was the fall of uh 2020.00:05:43
I'm sorry I'm sorry 2022 excuse me uh00:05:47
and you know he was excoriated by the00:05:49
press the next day rather than anybody00:05:52
reflecting oh my God the president of00:05:55
the United States is saying this he was00:05:57
escorting how dare he say this you know00:06:00
he let a tiny glimmer of the truth in00:06:03
and then of course the whole idea was00:06:05
shut that up don't talk about that well00:06:08
anyone that knows some history and by00:06:11
the way if you want to know some history00:06:13
the most wonderful book written about00:06:17
this by a great historian00:06:19
is a book called gambling with00:06:22
Armageddon by of late great historian00:06:25
Martin Sherwin who wrote about the Cuban00:06:29
Missile Crisis and the whole atomic age00:06:32
in fact and the book is terrifying00:06:37
because we came so close 60 years ago uh00:06:41
actually 61 years ago now to nuclear00:06:44
Annihilation and almost every one of00:06:47
Kennedy's aides would have pushed us to00:06:50
that we00:06:52
fortunately had00:06:54
a president who was00:06:57
had the sense to avoid the ultimate00:07:01
disaster but almost none of his aides00:07:03
had that sense and what Sherwin recalls00:07:08
and what we've learned from Dan Ellsberg00:07:10
and from so many others is how close00:07:13
we've come and how easy it is to come00:07:16
close because there's so many stupid00:07:18
people in our government believe me this00:07:20
is something I can tell you absolutely00:07:22
people who don't think who are00:07:29
extraordinarily lacking in basic Common00:07:33
Sense who believe that power is the only00:07:36
coin of the realm uh who I believe you00:07:39
really do have to be tough on whatever00:07:42
it is and nuclear war will see them down00:07:45
and uh all of this is so extraordinarily00:07:49
Reckless and we're really in it now and00:07:52
it's of course not just Ukraine it's00:07:55
Nancy Pelosi flying to Taiwan uh it's uh00:07:59
us doing whatever we can to humiliate00:08:02
China it's having an absurd G7 meeting00:08:06
last week in Hiroshima of all Place00:08:09
places that the U.S of course uh bombed00:08:14
with the first nuclear atomic bomb uh00:08:18
spending the whole G7 in essence to00:08:22
attack China and Russia00:08:25
they think it's maybe they think it00:08:29
plays politics they think it's a game00:08:30
it's extraordinarily Reckless and00:08:34
extraordinarily dangerous and00:08:36
extraordinarily predictable what's going00:08:40
on yeah because the the real diplomats00:08:43
inside the U.S have been warning about00:08:47
this for decades we're only finding some00:08:50
of it out by Wikileaks and by uh by00:08:53
disclosures such as Bill Burns their CIA00:08:56
director who was in 2008 the U.S00:09:00
ambassador to Russia and he sent a memo00:09:03
that everybody should read00:09:05
2008 yeah he explained my God this NATO00:09:10
enlargement business is absolutely00:09:14
dangerous and of course George Cannon a00:09:18
decade earlier in George Cannon was00:09:21
absolutely brilliant and understood00:09:24
already in the 50s how we could have00:09:26
gotten out of the Cold War but certainly00:09:29
in 1997 he wrote00:09:32
an op-ed in the New York Times when they00:09:34
still ran such op-eds that this whole00:09:38
NATO enlargement business was absolutely00:09:42
Reckless and what's interesting when00:09:44
Kennen was writing that 1997 I hadn't00:09:48
actually realized it until I went back00:09:50
and00:09:51
but saw a reference to an article in00:09:54
foreign affairs by zvig Brzezinski that00:09:56
I didn't remember writing in 1997 laying00:10:01
out almost the precise timetable00:10:04
for how we were going to incorporate00:10:07
Ukraine into NATO now this is years00:10:10
before Putin's president this is when00:10:12
we're not having any uh war with Russia00:10:16
people tell me oh yeah well they have to00:10:19
be a NATO look at Putin you know madman00:10:21
but this is well before and Brzezinski00:10:24
lays out00:10:26
basically to the year the sequence of00:10:29
how it's going to be the first row of00:10:32
countries which was Hungary Poland Czech00:10:34
Republic then it's going to be the next00:10:36
row then Ukraine by 2005 to 2010 he00:10:40
writes they're going to have their00:10:42
invitation it turned out to be 2008 our00:10:45
ambassador to Nato in 2008 was none00:10:49
other than Victoria Newland if you want00:10:52
to know what deep State means she's been00:10:54
in every Administration she's been00:10:55
almost every night sapling Trump wasn't00:10:58
elected that's the only way to00:10:59
apparently to get around in the00:11:00
government00:11:01
except Trump yeah so she was Cheney's00:11:05
advisor she was Ambassador to Nato when00:11:08
we asked Ukraine to come in she was the00:11:11
point person on the U.S engagement in00:11:14
the violent overthrow of Victor00:11:17
Yanukovych in February 2014 which00:11:20
started the war in Ukraine and she is00:11:23
now promoted for all of this uh bringing00:11:27
us ever closer to disaster and by the00:11:30
way putting Ukraine in the classic place00:11:33
in a proxy war guaranteed to destroy00:11:37
that country which is exactly what it's00:11:39
doing you know the thing that struck me00:11:41
so much about that Bill Burns memo in00:11:43
2008 when he was born in Condoleezza00:11:44
Rice and others in the Bush00:11:45
Administration about the insanity of00:11:47
this plan00:11:48
was he said it isn't just Putin you go00:11:52
and talk to every single person of00:11:54
influence in Moscow even Putin's liberal00:11:57
critics and it's all for every last one00:12:01
of them a huge red line to be mucking00:12:03
around in Ukraine for the West in part00:12:05
because of the history of the 20th00:12:06
century and that's what I wanted to ask00:12:07
you you gave this interview in February00:12:09
2023 with Isaac chatner of the New00:12:12
Yorker who has been kind of become this00:12:13
hero to the liberal establishment00:12:15
because of these adversarial interviews00:12:17
he purportedly does a lot of it is based00:12:19
on how transcripts get edited how much00:12:22
he gets to say how much the guest gets00:12:24
to say I've done a couple of those with00:12:26
him so I know firsthand00:12:28
um one of the points what a low life00:12:31
approach to journalism completely00:12:33
completely I mean it it I mean I my mine00:12:37
I failed ended up being pretty fair but00:12:39
I've seen him done incredible Hatchet00:12:40
jobs with others including yours because00:12:42
one of the points you kept trying to00:12:43
make was that the premises of his00:12:45
questions00:12:47
embedded in them they were almost like00:12:49
when did you stop feeding your wife00:12:50
questions were so misguided because he00:12:53
was distorting the history of the00:12:56
conflict in part by thinking the War00:12:59
Began either in 2022 or even in 201400:13:01
with Crimea and you kept pointing it out00:13:03
actually the start of the war is 201300:13:06
with this change of government that he00:13:08
was shocked you called a coup or even00:13:10
before with NATO expansion even before00:13:13
it got to Ukraine so talk about those00:13:16
parts of the history that the New York00:13:17
Times the New York the New Yorker00:13:18
editors didn't allow you to have00:13:21
included in that article and why you00:13:23
think that history is so important to00:13:25
understanding how we're being00:13:26
propagandized about the conflict now00:13:29
well it's a little amazing the New00:13:32
Yorker of all places okay maybe I00:13:35
shouldn't say of all places but remnix00:13:37
New Yorker is uh is absolutely neocon00:13:40
beginning to end the New York Times is00:13:43
completely neocon I don't know if they00:13:46
would be by the way if I can't figure it00:13:49
out if it's just Trump providing or they00:13:52
really believe the stuff that they say00:13:54
but they're absolutely unwilling to00:13:58
listen or to learn a fact the thing that00:14:01
surprised me about choutner was just how00:14:03
he knew nothing and kept making00:14:05
aggressive assertions and when you try00:14:08
to say something it was just snark so it00:14:11
was a really weird weird example00:14:13
explaining to that audience that loves00:14:15
it like you know they assume all of his00:14:17
assumptions that he's getting from the00:14:19
New York Times that's the full extent of00:14:21
their worldview he kept trying to inject00:14:23
an alternative historical understanding00:14:24
but it never made it into the article00:14:27
which is why I'd love for you to offer00:14:28
it now about the importance of 2013 and00:14:30
that change of government and even kind00:14:32
of going back to when NATO started00:14:34
expanding after the reunification of00:14:36
Germany Eastward toward the Soviet or00:14:38
toward Russia00:14:40
well it you know I I posted a piece on00:14:43
common dreams which people can take a00:14:45
look at to get a lot of the hyperlinks00:14:47
and a lot of the underlying data and00:14:50
evidence but this story really goes back00:14:53
34 years it goes back to 1989 1990 the00:14:58
U.S was and Germany were both very clear00:15:02
to Gorbachev who was a godsend for the00:15:05
World by the way because he really was a00:15:08
man of peace and I was profoundly00:15:11
honored to try to help him in on the00:15:16
economic side though the White House was00:15:19
having none of it at the time but in any00:15:22
event Gorbachev believed in peace and he00:15:25
unilaterally disbanded the Warsaw Pact00:15:27
which was the the Soviet side NATO and00:15:31
uh00:15:32
all right Baker and Hans Dietrich00:15:35
denture the German foreign minister00:15:38
repeated00:15:41
amen again to Gorbachev and in many many00:15:44
different forms and so did the NATO00:15:46
Secretary General and others we will not00:15:49
move Nato one inch00:15:52
Eastward we won't do it now I spoke to a00:15:56
wonderful historian who is working on00:16:00
this right now who tells me that in the00:16:03
archives he's come across in 1992.00:16:08
not only the plans for NATO expansion00:16:10
but Ukraine already on the list for NATO00:16:14
expansion in 1992 when supposedly in the00:16:19
public there is no such thing as NATO00:16:21
expansion at all but remember 1992 that00:16:25
was Cheney wolfowitz and Rumsfeld in uh00:16:29
in the in the bush senior Administration00:16:31
I thought what could be worse well we00:16:33
kept learning things can get worse00:16:36
and and in the Democratic party the the00:16:40
the the the the love affair with the00:16:42
so-called liberal hegemony I don't know00:16:44
what the liberal part is but I know what00:16:46
the hegemony part is uh that has been00:16:48
Newlands uh thing and of course her00:16:51
husband uh Robert kagan's thing for00:16:54
decades00:16:55
this has been underway00:16:58
since the early00:17:00
1990s now the Russians have been saying00:17:05
and Gorbachev said don't move Eastward00:17:08
we want peace we want openness I was00:17:12
actually advisor to Gorbachev I was00:17:15
economic advisor to Yeltsin I was00:17:18
economic advisor to Leonid kuchma first00:17:21
president of Independent Ukraine I've00:17:23
seen all of these people you know what00:17:26
they wanted they wanted normal life they00:17:29
wanted to stop the Cold War they did not00:17:33
want crazy things they wanted normalcy00:17:36
and we wouldn't give it what we said00:17:39
normalcy yeah that's U.S hegemony that's00:17:43
U.S indispensable power that's U.S we do00:17:46
what we want anywhere we want when we00:17:49
want it and that has been the story all00:17:53
along and frankly00:17:55
I couldn't imagine it at the time00:17:58
because I was watching with my own eyes00:18:01
as a young guy suddenly the world had a00:18:03
chance for peace00:18:05
and peace didn't mean U.S Global00:18:08
hegemony peace meant normal cooperation00:18:12
but we couldn't accept the deal of just00:18:15
being normal and Cooperative we had to00:18:19
say now we lead on everything and that's00:18:23
been the story since the beginning now00:18:25
there are many steps to it uh Clinton00:18:28
was the first violator of the the00:18:31
promises in Clinton so inconsistent on00:18:34
everything but this is one of the things00:18:36
he was inconsistent on uh so the first00:18:40
NATO expansion took place under Clinton00:18:42
uh and that was a Hungary poll and Czech00:18:45
Republic the next NATO expansion seven00:18:48
countries by Bush Jr in 2004 uh Latvia00:18:54
Lithuania Estonia Romania and Bulgaria00:18:58
on the Black Sea so you had the Baltic00:19:00
states you had Romania and Bulgaria00:19:02
you're starting to you know right up00:19:04
against Russia uh Slovakia and Slovenia00:19:07
now Putin says in 2007 stop already stop00:19:11
he says it in a famous speech at the00:19:14
Munich security conference in 2007. we00:19:18
don't listen at all 2008 Bush says NATO00:19:22
is going to enlarge to Ukraine the00:19:24
European leaders by the way were aghast00:19:27
and the one of the European top leaders00:19:31
at the time called me said what is your00:19:34
president doing of course European00:19:36
leaders don't say any of this publicly00:19:38
but they say privately this is crazy00:19:41
this is so dangerous00:19:43
but of course they were quiet Bush00:19:46
pushed this through in 2008 then there00:19:49
was a reprieve for Ukraine the reprieve00:19:53
was that the president Victor yanakovich00:19:57
said look we're in between two giants we00:20:01
don't want to be smashed in the middle00:20:03
we take neutrality00:20:06
but neutrality was a red flag for00:20:08
Victoria Newland and uh and her friends00:20:11
and so at the end of 2013 when00:20:16
demonstrations against the decision that00:20:18
Yanukovych had made to postpone signing00:20:22
an agreement with EU started protest00:20:24
believe me the U.S00:20:27
covertly and overtly in every other way00:20:30
stirred that up massively but in January00:20:34
and February 2014 they supported a00:20:38
violent Insurrection that overthrew00:20:42
iyanakovich and of course notoriously00:20:45
Newland was caught on tape something we00:20:47
don't talk about but anyone go listen00:20:50
she picked the next leader she picked00:20:52
the new leadership00:20:54
she's planning the government weeks00:20:57
before the overthrow calling exactly who00:21:00
would be the Prime Minister by the way00:21:02
it's amazing but that whole thing is00:21:06
amnesia don't talk about any of this so00:21:09
though it's so obvious and I had a weird00:21:13
experience personally which was that00:21:16
when the government was overthrown and00:21:19
Yanukovych fled and yatsunuk was prime00:21:23
minister just as uh Newland said I got a00:21:27
call yatsunuk wants to meet you it's a00:21:29
deep economic crisis00:21:31
okay you know I actually respond to00:21:34
those things when a government says00:21:36
we're in a very deep financial crisis so00:21:38
I flew to Kiev and I00:21:42
I had an NGO brag to me about the role00:21:45
they played in the overthrow and it was00:21:49
ugly it left me shaking it was you know00:21:51
the kind of thing you just want to wash00:21:53
that off don't tell me this awful stuff00:21:56
you had no business being part of a00:21:58
violent Insurrection but that's the role00:22:01
we played I went home I did go back I00:22:03
was disgusted by the whole thing but it00:22:06
was obvious then we were on a path00:22:09
towards War00:22:10
this didn't start with a quote00:22:13
unprovoked Invasion February 24th 20100:22:19
sorry uh no 22 excuse me this started in00:22:25
February 2014 and it started with the00:22:29
U.S participation in a coupDescription:
Jeffrey Sachs Interivew - All-Out War between the West and Russia Jeffrey Sachs is a well-known American economist, academic, and public policy analyst who has made significant contributions to the fields of sustainable development and economic development. He has held various prestigious positions throughout his career, including serving as the director of The Earth Institute at Columbia University and as a special advisor to the United Nations Secretary-General on the Millennium Development Goals. Sachs has authored numerous books and articles on topics related to economics, poverty reduction, and sustainable development. Website: jeffsachs.org
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