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How does this new status of Putin change the situation?

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This is what will happen to Russian

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diplomacy. Is it still possible when the

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president of the country is now officially

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wanted by the Hague court?

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Practically, I don’t think much because,

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as you correctly noted, for

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security reasons, he doesn’t travel abroad now,

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controversial some interesting points

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may arise, for example,

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a European country that is, in principle,

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ready to accept it, could

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potentially theoretically be considered for

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now only Hungary, and Hungarianized

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other countries there are countries Tajikistan

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that has ratified its participation

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is a full participant in the

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international criminal court and which is

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simultaneously included with Russia

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I think that in practice, of course,

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there are

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Western countries for him that he will not go to and

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so that the relationship does not change anything

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has changed in another. The fact is that

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most of

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the states that recognize the

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powers of the international criminal

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court are the states of the so-called

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global south. That is, this is Africa and all of

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Latin in general America, besides Cuba,

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Nicaragua is also Venezuela, even Brazil,

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remember South Africa, remembered the same

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Brix Yes, the largest state

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in the global

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south southeast China India Turkey, that is, the

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main partners or interlocutors of the Kremlin

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outside the West as well as Russia,

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just as the United States no

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longer recognizes, for example, South Africa or Brazil,

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these are such unpleasant intersections because,

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on the one hand, Russia

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has offered itself in recent years if

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decades within the framework of the

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largest such power, not the West,

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which, in an alliance of partnership with other

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large Western states,

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is opposed to And now Brazil is also

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South Africa,

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but well, there is such a conflict as from is

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it potentially possible to get out? Is it possible that in

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this situation Russia will be forced to

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abandon its ambitions of

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international influence in countries

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such as Brazil, which have always been

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considered their most serious

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partner in recent years,

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you understand all this is a consequence of this. This

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order is simply one of the sides of

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that war itself and the new

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situation

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in which Russia found itself Thanks to

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this war, but I say it again And what is important

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for uh regimes like the Russian one is also for

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non-democratic authoritarian There and

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so on dictatorial regimes they have an

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obvious lack of legitimacy for the

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leaders to be in power Why are the authorities The

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outside world always especially

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democratic ones raise questions about this

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to the leaders, how do dictators fulfill

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this is a deficit in international relations, they

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say that look, they recognize us, these we

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go on visits there, they come to our

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face, a full-fledged full-crown

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motley picture of

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international relations means when

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and on are reduced when Why

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actually dictators and they are afraid of isolation

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from either side they say Yes, we don’t care about anyone here at all

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Yes, we are super

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sovereign, she The main thing is that our people

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love that we achieve our

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sovereign goals And what do others think, on the

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one hand, yes, but on the other

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hand, absolutely not, because

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international relations are very important, a

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very important aspect of the existence of

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dictatorial regimes, they have nothing to

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replace international relations with,

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the more they are recognized, the more people

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visit them, the more they can

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go somewhere. This is, of course, a

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very important thing for them, and these important things are e- e

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Putin, after the war, lost in the West under

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Western sanctions and his entourage. And

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now a large number of contacts are also in question;

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snow, again,

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Putin’s entourage.

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Could these be the warrant? Yes, this new

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status is an

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object of bargaining or something. So, for example, we are taking off

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from you, Vladimir Vladimirovich

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some restrictions in response, for example, you

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withdraw troops or take some

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counter actions related to the war in

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Ukraine What do you think? Can there be any kind of

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discussion here?

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Well, everything can be an object of bargaining Yes,

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we just can’t we won’t Let’s

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follow with that picture of the world that

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follows in the Russian leadership, where everything

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from type to the Order of the International

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Criminal Court and now

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Maidanov in Kiev to

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order in Tbilisi is part of one

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cunning plan aimed at

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crushing Russia there, I don’t know, to keep

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depriving something simply And who will in

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this case, the subject of bargaining Well,

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if you imagine that the Leader of

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support for Ukraine is the

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United States, the United States, as

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we remember, and this is the main weakness in the

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position of the international court is not recognized

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and is not going to be recognized, and the residence of the

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court at the same time supports the order

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against Putin, in fact, here are the

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main ones contradiction Well, let’s imagine

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that someone wants to exchange this warrant for something, the

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main party in

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the conversation in this case should be

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participants in the international criminal

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court,

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but in my opinion Ukraine did not verify it, the

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United States even in

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my opinion they revoked the signature Well, in general,

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it doesn’t matter the children and others are not

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participating now, respectively. Well, the

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international criminal court operates

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independently of the United States in

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Ukraine, who will measure Well,

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maybe Europe will push judges in this

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direction, then it

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really was created as an

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independent

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international body that

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administers justice in those countries where

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there are problems or there are problems with one’s

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own Judging by the essence, yes naturally, the

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United States, for example, is not ready to

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recognize itself in this capacity Well, the truth is that

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Western Europe nevertheless

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joined

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the justice actually no. At

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least in general,

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I don’t see a big exchange here

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potentially

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Yes, and there was news related to South Africa

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literally as if an illustration of your

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words that South Africa took note of the reports about the

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border arrest of Vladimir Putin in

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August, while he is expected there at the

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Brix summit and the press secretary of the President of South Africa,

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Vincent Magwenya, said that the country

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is aware of its legal obligations

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to the international criminal court.

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However, yes to the summit we will continue

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to interact with various

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relevant

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stakeholders. We accept their average

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message of arrest warrant issued by the

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international criminal court, that is,

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nothing is clear on the one hand,

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they continue to prepare it is unclear,

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because in general the head of state,

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of course, has diplomatic

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immunity. But of course, the order of the

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international main court is, as it were, it

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erodes, it corrodes if they completely

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withdraw diplomatically, this is in general a

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legal conflict which, as I understand it, has still

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not been resolved; there are generally

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international democracies, international

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law has not yet been fully formed in the

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area, but once again I say it is obvious that they are

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isolated from the

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global West or the old developed

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East in the person of Korea Japan, now

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Russia and the Russian leadership will be

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more isolated and from that very

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global yogi with whom she was getting closer in

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spite of the West on whose behalf she spoke.

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And actually, just if you like, the

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political policy of legal Russia is

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opposed not only to realism

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against Western imperialism on behalf of the

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same Latin America not

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recognizing the jurisdiction of the international

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criminal court and not recognizing their

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own actions in relation to their

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leader, especially this very

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international criminal court, Africa

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recognizes the

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international criminal court, here

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some dividing lines begin to lie between them.

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politics I’ll release this once and

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secondly, let’s remember what Handa said, the

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prosecutor actually is a British

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British lawyer, a prosecutor of an international

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court, he said that it was unfortunate, of course,

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that they had to issue a warrant against

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Vladimir Putin, but ah,

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I don’t remember exactly how it was

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worded, but in general this case it doesn’t

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end there now with two officials

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Lvov and Putin himself, but there are

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other officials who are related

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to the invasion in Ukraine, just let’s say

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they are looking for that very loop behind which they

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can still be kept at a distance that is strictly

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legal and not political Yes, to whom they

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can be attached

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directly guilty Well,

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imagine that this circle of

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suspects, the circle of those being persecuted begins

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to expand, well Putin doesn’t travel alone

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around the world with

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vast, juicy delegations and

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imagine Some kind of visit,

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even a sudden country, also

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Latin America Mexico doesn’t matter

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Brazil South Africa here’s twenty

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please who recognizes jurisdiction

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According to the International Criminal Court But

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if the hand of local

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justice does not rise against Putin himself, then of course people of a

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lower level,

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nomenclature of lower ranks,

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will of course feel less protected.

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And if you cannot go with the delegation,

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you cannot go at all.

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Well, what will it happen if you arrived

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delegation and part of your delegation or

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someone, let one member of your

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delegation be detained and it is clear that in the

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same Tajikistan Where, in principle,

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Putin can go, a country member of the DKB

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is a country than the euro for that is, a

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formal ally of Russia,

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it is clear that he can even come there

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to spite this, the warrant will come early

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Or just show that he is not afraid and

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the warrant does not mean anything

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and Well, it is clear that no one will arrest his soul,

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but by the way he will not arrest him,

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but the members of the delegation, for example,

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no longer have such confidence If only

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they could go to Dushanbe, most likely It’s a big deal to

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travel around the world like this with impunity.

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And if a member of the presidential

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delegation is detained, I say again, this is a

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serious scandal, a

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serious obstacle to traveling in general

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because it was

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perfectly conveyed to those interrogated, if he is

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interrogated, then some materials appear

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in the case. Well, so to speak, a whole chain

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is dragging on with unpleasant consequences for the

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Russian leadership. And the last thing that

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was not clear to me was how much the

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Kremlin authorities were ready for

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such a development of events; they

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persistently declared yesterday and the day before that they

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absolutely didn’t give a damn about everything that was happening from a high bell tower; a

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painful blow or not only it seems

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so, in fact it’s really not

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very important.

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I think that in part they are ready for anything,

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even for a nuclear war, and the tools are

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some fatalistic sentiments

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that

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come from different from different levels of the

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Russian leadership, it’s

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fatalistic than that cannot be avoided

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there will be something more and so on, and they

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have existed since last spring, from the moment in

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fact when everything didn’t go according to plan But at the same

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time Yes, there is always a

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feeling that they won’t dare to do this after

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all Well,

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this is Great Russia Yes, it’s snowy we need

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to talk Are they really

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so ready to burn all the bridges so that they

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issue an arrest warrant? Once again I say that

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in the Kremlin, in the atmosphere in which

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they work there now, there is no doubt

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that this is part of some unified plan and

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not just the

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action of a certain institution

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taken separately, almost international therefore,

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some kind of Nadezhda I think that

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Putin himself, especially once again I say that it is

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quite difficult to tie the

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head of state directly to a

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war crime, does

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not press a newspaper, does not

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press,

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and in fact, even children are

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taken care of somewhere by other organizations, but

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I think that even talking about children was

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started And that is why the episode, let’s say

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so, is why the direction is pinned down with

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accusations because apparently

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some

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parameters of a

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war crime are more clearly spelled out precisely in

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this part because you and I, of course,

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understand Yes, among those children who

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were moved towards Russia in a year

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conflict there are very different cases of

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displacement, this is just the difference. I don’t

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know there are any bombings,

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destruction of some theater or

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any direct killings of

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citizens. Well, in the sense of civilians by the military,

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it is clear that there are some more complex

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mechanisms here. Yes, if you have some children

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without guardians without parents find themselves in a

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combat zone, is it better to go to

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any side of the fighting or not?

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It’s clear that

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So maybe it’s better to leave and then

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figure out where they can end up,

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but apparently I just don’t know this very well,

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well,

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these wordings the legal ones that the

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International Criminal Court operates with

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apparently, what concerns the movement of children

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during war is formulated more

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clearly and there are more opportunities, let’s say, to

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move from accusing specific

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perpetrators of specific figures on the

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spot at the front in the combat zone to the

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state itself. And as I

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understand it, the goal was set to begin

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this time to mark the sanctions

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that began

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in the fourteenth year A Start

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directly with the head of state

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to happen what is called from the other end

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and again I am writing about this that, in contrast to the

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sanctions policy of 14-15 and so on,

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which began from different levels of

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lower and did not reach the level of

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high Russian leadership, the house of

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last year here they decided to go

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literally along the same vertical but

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from top to bottom to start from the first person. That is why,

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apparently, this topic of children was

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chosen because I say again, I don’t

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know how to formulate it, speaking to

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lawyers by means international experts,

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apparently it was precisely this topic of the movement of children that

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made it

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possible to cling to something, to

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some formulations, to some

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paragraphs of

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international law, international

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legislation, and go directly to the first

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person. Because I say again, of

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course, in the case of the death of the civilian

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population of

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the military, as opposed to children, as if

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emotionally more directly,

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is a more understandable

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military crime than evacuating

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someone there, then they are

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taken somewhere else somewhere else, someone is taken to an orphanage, someone is returned there,

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relatives are returned for someone,

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relatives come from Europe for

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someone come from Ukraine

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through Europe That is, there is not

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one single case in the history of these

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thousands who were taken out, it is clear that they have

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quite different fates: someone

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is really kidnapped, someone

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is evacuated, returned,

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someone else is someone, but the task Apparently,

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it was a cunning plan, a

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cunning, simple plan, but this is an idea.

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Let's not go from the lower

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floors to the top, as we did in in

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the case of Boeing, they did this; in the case,

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we will start immediately with the main person who

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is responsible for that decision,

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indeed, and there are some feelings of

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information shock. Thank you very much, this is

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a political scientist

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Анна Монгайт обсудила с Александром Бауновым последствия ордера на арест Путина, выданного международным судом в Гааге, для самого президента и его окружения. Поддержать нас донатами можно по ссылке: https://tvrain.tv/donate Следите за главными новостями и новыми выпусками программ в телеграм-канале Дождя: https://t.me/tvrain Дождь собирает информацию о детях из Украины в учреждениях, санаториях, лагерях, приемных семьях в России. Пишите на [email protected] и в телеграм @tvrainalert_bot #гаага #путин #дождь

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