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let's really sum up

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this year Titan remember drowned the

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resumption of political life in

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Ukraine and the earthquakes in Turkey as

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Mr. Prigogine, he showed everyone that

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So it turns out that the Ukrainian

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counter-offensive can fail We remember This was the year of the

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tug-of-war with Hamas the tract in

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Israel opened up Yes, an abscess in the Middle

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East Well, we no one would want

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Putin to be replaced by some

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shmoo and then Everything continued in the same

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direction

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I am glad to welcome all viewers of the

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YouTube channel Khodorkovsky Live with you

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program road map we will sum up the

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results with you as usual on the air Mikhail

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Khodorkovsky Vladimir Pastukhov

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Hello Hello Hello

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My name is Bogdan Ba rut and for the

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last time this year in this

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program I will ask you to support our

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video and also subscribe to Youtube

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channel Khodar Laf we will really

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sum up this year I was

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wondering how to characterize

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this year and I realized that for

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me he was somehow, well, gray sluggish E not

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good not bad last year

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twenty-second year he was so

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shocking traumatic to some

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extent this year Well, everything was somehow

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gray in itself somewhere won

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somewhere- then he was losing Well, it wasn’t

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Mikhail Borisovich who came, what do you say, how

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has it been for you two and three years? I would say

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everything is very fast,

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you know,

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such events happened throughout the whole

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year that you know, there is a

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certain operation of consciousness When at the end of

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the year you begin to remember the events

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that happened and you usually think

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about the last x months, but I

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did some homework for myself,

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tried to remember what happened there

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at the beginning of the year, but in general there was a lot of things,

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so to speak,

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and as you always know,

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your colleagues say that this kind of good

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news does not happen the news should be

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bad, but according to the bad news at the beginning of

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the year, Titan remember the

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bathyscaphe sank, everyone has already forgotten, and there I must

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say a group of miles tried to

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descend somewhere into some kind of depression,

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unlike Vladimir Putin, who

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either dived into Baikal or I didn’t dive,

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they drowned, but he didn’t, well, it’s the

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Darwin Award. I remembered. Yes, well, I don’t know

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about the Darwin Award in principle. They

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tried to investigate something like that,

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and the earthquake in Turkey. How can I say

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it, too, has already been forgotten

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Siri, you have a trick somehow Well, in such times, and

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then for a second, say so, Well, it’s

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funny, it’s not funny, but tens of thousands of

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dead and now the memory is washing away, this didn’t

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happen anymore. We remember We remember

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Well, of course, the failure of the Ukrainian

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counter-offensive We remember and We remember

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Hamas

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uh path in Israel, this is what is

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close, this is what we remember, but we do

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n’t remember what was there.

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Well, besides this, of course, there were events

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that were more impressive for me,

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for example, everything related to artificial

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intelligence this year, the number of

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artificial intelligence models

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that Well, in any case In the case of the

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modified models that were

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offered to the general public, it is generally

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absolutely incredible and We have only just

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begun to taste these models and in

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general I must say that last

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year there was no such opportunity. Why, in

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words like that, to describe there, for example, a person

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or an event or some kind of then a picture and

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get it depicted using an

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artificial intelligence model. And

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this year, you’re welcome and even

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moving pictures are obtained, and soon, so to

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speak, this will move from the sphere of such rare

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deepfakes to the

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sphere of regular service. By the way, it should be

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noted that good journalists, of course, do

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not work they will lose, but that is, those who

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know how to come up with something new. Yes, but

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for average journalists like these and such,

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artisans are coming. In general, in this

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sense, the last times because

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Mikhail Borisovich you are hinting at someone

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No, I’m sitting on a chair, we can sleep, we can make

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a list

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its the year when

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artificial intelligence showed that, in

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principle, the quality of the take is of average quality. Well,

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like there are news articles and the

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like. I mean memorials there

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for significant dates, artificial

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intelligence writes better than such an

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average one. Lousy journalist And I won’t

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remind you about quantum computing

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because this story has not yet

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been released to the general public, but the

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Progress that we are seeing in this

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area this year is stunning, and

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finally, some write that at the end of

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this year, the Chinese economy still

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overtook the American one I don’t

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believe it, but in any case it has already moved

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from the category of such fantasies to the category Well,

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either this year it will happen or

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next year, maybe 2 years later, but in

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general it’s somewhere already now Well, that’s

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probably what was possible I wish I could

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remember this year in

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such broad strokes Vladimir Borisovich,

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your memories are the most vivid, what

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was your focus most of all? Well, Mikhail

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Bori, we are a man of the world,

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I’m probably not ready to use such broad

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strokes. I’m still sitting in my well

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and there’s a little bit from this well. already

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a review Although I must note

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that Michal Boriso puzzled me, I

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literally looked at you

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new blogs on the BBC website just yesterday. Well, it seems that this is not the

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last place like this on a Russian

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website,

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and I thought that journalists

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had forgotten how to write because all the words

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rearranged and in some incomprehensible

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order for the Russian language, and

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now they are starting to think that this is apparently

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artificial intelligence,

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somehow it’s easier for the khan, it even

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became more offensive for the person So

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you are Bogdan Don’t worry, we still have a lot of

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opportunities with you,

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I - I don’t believe in artificial intelligence so much,

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perhaps Vladimir Borisovich Perhaps,

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after all, it was BBC journalists who

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celebrated Christmas and

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they had only one option, that is,

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either this is an experiment with

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artificial intelligence, or they

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really celebrated and decided to

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simply run the text in Google Translate

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because it’s clear that this is a

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mechanical job, they forgot to check for it.

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It’s possible. Well, in general, in

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any case, I think that if you scrape

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each artificial intelligence very

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well, then

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the best or worst natural

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intelligence that created it will be revealed behind it, so I’m

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somehow in I believe myself when it comes to the news.

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I’m just the opposite, I was

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completely

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prepared, I was

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thinking about the World Cup, my eyes were caught,

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so I will have pure

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improvisation, but I’ll start with such

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simple things. In my

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opinion, the year showed what I didn’t want to

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believe, but in general, apparently it is that

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Biden is weak. Well, such a bad

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result for everyone

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because, in principle, America plays such an

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outstanding

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role in the system of ensuring the world

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order that any slightest thing there

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flutters

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to the fact that on the periphery there the

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turbulence is already off the charts. Well, so far there is

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no

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sign of any readiness to offer

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strategic vision

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and, in fact, Trump, he is beginning

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to crystallize

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as a real, completely alternative, this is

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one of such significant results. But one

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must prepare for this and be prepared to

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accept

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the second. Well, an abscess opened up in the Middle

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East and I’m not sure that it was a

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necessity, that

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is, it could have stayed for a long time Probably Well, But

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somehow everything worked out so that it

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was revealed here and now this year

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and this significantly changes the picture of the

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world to our penates, I said from the very beginning

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that in essence And here I

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may not agree with you Bogdan, this year was of

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colossal tension and it

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seems outwardly so boring if we talk

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about our zone, but in fact,

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next year it will be so funny,

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like a sitcom in a store, but in fact

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it will already be a waste That’s because

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everything was decided this year and it was a year of

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tug of war. It was a

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tug of war. which I

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mentally

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correlate with the year of the Second World War, that

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is, when, as it were, in any direction, and the

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result is the following for me here is very

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important. It doesn’t matter how to say it will be. And

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that the idea of perceiving this war as a

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positional long-term one

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ultimately won, that is, here next

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year we will see how

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this works, this is a new

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formula, a new paradigm, but by the

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end of the year it has finally taken shape and,

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well, part of this is first the

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failure of the Russian offensive, then

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the failure of the Ukrainian offensive, that is,

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they seemed to mutually extinguish hope

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each other for some such

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brilliant finale of this drama And therefore

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this is very important to me and we must not

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forget somehow we forgot this bald

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devil and he amused us for the first half

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of the year here Mikhail Bori is right, you understand In

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general, in general, nothing it’s over,

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but Mr. Prigogine he showed everyone

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that So it turns out that it’s possible in this

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absolutely glowing country where a mouse won’t

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slip through any cracks, you can

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slip 700 km on bkport tanks all the way

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to Moscow and no one will

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stop you, it’s as if it didn’t

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end in anything Well, that is, it’s over bad, but

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for him, but it was remembered, it was remembered,

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and this is a certain algorithm that

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will come up again, I’m sure. Well, the last

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result is probably the

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resumption of political life in

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Ukraine, so I wouldn’t give any

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connotations there, negative

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positive, it’s clear that Ukraine

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has stirred, Ukraine has stirred

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from within and again asks questions and again

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such obvious,

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different opinions arise. But this can be

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treated differently, but on the other hand,

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Ukraine is not Russia because it

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still often has different opinions.

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Maybe this

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will allow us to avoid some -

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I’m not ready to give an assessment of mistakes and extremes. As

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they say, we’ll see how it all

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turns out next year, but I would

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say that by the end of the year it became

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clear that political life had resumed in Ukraine

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Mikhail Borisovich Well,

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you skirted the military topic,

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nevertheless, I wanted to I would like to ask you how you would

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characterize this year from the point of view of the

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war, Vladimir Borisovich remembered that

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Prigozhin really had a rather bright

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episode, before that Bakhmut was now

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Marinko and Well, we understand that the end of the year is

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still a couple of days away But nevertheless, it was as if

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both sides had exchanged gifts Step by step

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he stated that they captured this Marinka or

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what was left of it there, it’s difficult to

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call it a city Ukraine, in

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turn, the landing cruiser Novocherkassk

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Feodosia sank quite effectively, what do you

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say, how did you characterize the war year for

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me in this today we are

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winning back after all, it

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happened from the first issue of

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global and our regional themes,

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then I would like to remind you, in line with this model,

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that this year was a year of military

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conflicts not only between Russia and

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Ukraine, that is, in fact, the World, in

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principle, has quite moved to a tough

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confrontation and I would like to remind,

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of course, what is happening in in Sudan there is

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quite a large number of deaths

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there, the number of refugees is in the millions

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of people. These refugees are fleeing not only to

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Europe, but now they are already infiltrating into

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Russia. I would like to unfortunately remind you that the

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war in Syria continues in which, so

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to speak, Vladimir Putin so happily

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took part in it, so to speak. incitement

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and advancement in Libya in

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this

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year the

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final transition of Nagorno-Karabakh

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under the control of Azerbaijan has not ended at all

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that for

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us in the World War II it is, well, the most

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acute because in this war people are dying,

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and on both sides of the front,

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our acquaintances, acquaintances of our acquaintances are dying. In

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some cases,

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relatives of our own and our

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acquaintances, and this is the horror of

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this war lies in the fact that you

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learn about the death of your acquaintances and

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then ask what side

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of the front they were on and in general it’s

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not always it’s not always obvious But the fact that we

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will kill each other in

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2024 as part of this

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positional war that

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Borisovich said about is absolutely exactly the

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number of casualties

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today, if we count those

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killed. Well, they call fantastic

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numbers. But in fact, we must

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understand that it really exceeded

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200,000 people killed alone. And how many

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wounded are there?

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books that we read in childhood

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called I am Gorlovka, so in general they are

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still being

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destroyed and shooting at Kiev and

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houses and people are being destroyed, respectively,

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in Kharkov and Odessa, it’s all very difficult to

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imagine and experience And when you

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think that in

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general, if not the action of literally

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one person. Now you understand,

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literally one person, then 200,000

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people would not have been killed. You

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understand

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that after all, human consciousness

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is structured very strangely, if we are talking

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there, probably one of those maniacs whom

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I remember there because I was a prosecutor

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when I was in prison they talked a lot about him,

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such a picushkin, there

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were either 43 corpses on him or 53, and now we

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all understand that this is a maniac, this is just such a

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legendary maniac. And

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there is also London Jack the Ripper,

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also a legendary maniac, this is some

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number of dozens there are hundreds of thousands of people killed, and here it’s

00:17:44

just stupid,

00:17:49

solely by the decision of one

00:17:52

person, and we kind of perceive him,

00:17:56

well, not as a maniac, but whatever, I don’t

00:18:00

know a negative political

00:18:02

figure. No, he’s a maniac, he’s just

00:18:05

really a maniac, and that’s how he should be

00:18:08

perceived because

00:18:12

otherwise our world will move Well, it’s a

00:18:16

deep

00:18:17

regret

00:18:19

that civilization is again some kind of swamp

00:18:24

Vladimir Borisovich, you have already started prog in

00:18:27

this regard, about the internal

00:18:29

transformation In power in 2023,

00:18:33

talk about what it was like Was she

00:18:36

one person in everything guilty or is it

00:18:38

still an organized crime group as we used to

00:18:42

say? What do you see here? What do I

00:18:44

see here?

00:18:47

The UPN is an organized criminal people.

00:18:50

You understand. I would like it all to

00:18:52

look like Mikhail Borisovich wrote.

00:18:55

Well, of course, this is such a terrible picture that

00:19:00

we were captured by Radio Chanson as in

00:19:03

it was said in one film, but I’m afraid that,

00:19:06

unfortunately, everything is more complicated and it’s not true

00:19:09

because there

00:19:11

were no prerequisites, there wouldn’t be

00:19:15

some kind of internal

00:19:27

predisposition of people for uh,

00:19:30

200,000

00:19:32

people to die, unfortunately, uh, everything seems to be both

00:19:37

complicated and simple that is, it is clear that

00:19:41

humanity

00:19:44

in general and our

00:19:47

corner of this

00:19:50

humanity have been preparing for this Bloody drama for years at the

00:19:53

same time, this is what torments me all the time

00:19:56

Was it inevitable, that is, we

00:19:59

understand that there are a lot of circles, that is

00:20:02

what Mikhail Borisovich is talking about said The

00:20:05

largest circle, that is, there is some kind of break,

00:20:08

some new break in the life

00:20:10

of humanity

00:20:12

which is connected in general with a bunch of things, but

00:20:15

first of all, the fear of

00:20:19

Self-destruction disappears, that is, this is the

00:20:21

fear that the generation that

00:20:23

survived the Second World War had and then

00:20:26

the meaning what are nuclear weapons

00:20:29

How fragile is this world the scientists who

00:20:33

spoke there counted down the hours

00:20:36

so many minutes until the end of the world

00:20:38

so many seconds until the end of the world it

00:20:40

somehow faded into the background It turned out

00:20:42

that people are not afraid of anything at all people

00:20:44

are ready to become suicides This is it a very

00:20:46

significant change, I

00:20:47

felt it this year and it’s just

00:20:49

that. Well, it’s very cool that Michal

00:20:52

gave such a picture, it can be felt all over

00:20:55

the world, people have stopped being afraid to

00:20:59

take up arms again. Philosophy is

00:21:02

now underway, reflection is underway, you understand now. A

00:21:04

very powerful movement of philosophy that

00:21:07

reminds us that war is the norm,

00:21:10

you understand, this is very interesting, that is, there

00:21:14

was another current of philosophy that

00:21:16

we have been there for 50 years. Well, it proved that war

00:21:20

is an unnatural state;

00:21:27

reflections on the new reality are already in the paradigm; they are talking

00:21:29

about the World Cup; you say there

00:21:32

humanity is 2 million years old and all this time

00:21:36

people killed each other That is, it’s as

00:21:39

if it’s normal, it’s part of reality, it should be

00:21:41

taken this way very seriously. The question is, in

00:21:44

general, everything that happens to us is

00:21:46

natural or unnatural,

00:21:48

it’s like such a wide outer

00:21:50

circle, then a narrower circle, such a narrower one. The

00:21:54

circle actually

00:21:57

says Tim or not, but after all what

00:22:00

is happening now in our, again,

00:22:03

corner of this planet is such a

00:22:06

multipolar civil war. That is,

00:22:08

this is the Civil War in Russia, this is

00:22:10

the Civil War in Ukraine. No one there will

00:22:13

agree with me now. Well,

00:22:15

because the Intervention was imposed from above and everything

00:22:17

else. And it seems that that there

00:22:19

is nothing of this, but it

00:22:23

exists, they are participating in this howl,

00:22:26

but

00:22:28

who identify themselves as Russians

00:22:32

in Ukraine, as Ukrainian Russians, Russian

00:22:36

Ukrainians on both sides, what

00:22:38

Mikhail Borisovich said, that it is not clear at all

00:22:41

where which relative was killed, but this is

00:22:43

the truth. Therefore, this second circle is so

00:22:46

that this there was an internal readiness

00:22:49

to kill here and this is the premonition of

00:22:52

the Civil War which was with us

00:22:56

for 40 years and then the next question is the

00:22:59

following: these are all

00:23:01

the prerequisites they made Putin inevitable

00:23:05

or under other circumstances it

00:23:07

was possible to resolve this And here is my deep

00:23:09

conviction that it is possible it was possible

00:23:12

to resolve that

00:23:14

Of course, I can’t say that he

00:23:17

came and he created everything with his own hands,

00:23:20

but he turned out to be a trigger, that is,

00:23:23

his whole

00:23:25

complex of human qualities was added to the fact

00:23:28

that he resolved it in this bloody

00:23:29

direction. So here this is such a

00:23:33

complex question I think

00:23:35

that one of the results of the year, well, so

00:23:38

sad, I can say that in relation to

00:23:42

Russia, well, it’s more difficult for me to talk about Ukraine.

00:23:44

I feel it less, although I

00:23:47

was born there, but I feel less, and in relation to

00:23:50

Russia, a rather

00:23:53

powerful new military

00:23:56

consensus has developed, there were three of them. That is

00:23:59

the beginning of the war When it was unclear Well,

00:24:02

such shock

00:24:04

patriotism then there was a consensus in the fall of

00:24:07

twenty-two, which generally

00:24:10

sounded like So no one needs this, but

00:24:12

if we started, we need to finish That

00:24:15

was the second consensus and finally

00:24:18

now the third consensus So you’re

00:24:20

asking about the internal result here is the

00:24:23

internal result, Putin managed to launch

00:24:26

In my opinion, this flywheel engine of

00:24:29

Russian phobia, fearfulness of the outside world

00:24:34

in general, this is characteristic of the Russian

00:24:36

consciousness, he has such a particularly emphasized

00:24:40

isolation and there is a

00:24:43

constant Phobia that it will take over us and

00:24:48

Putin succeeded in this personal

00:24:50

war of his own here we agree that this is his personal

00:24:52

war, it is beneficial to him personally. This is a war to

00:24:54

preserve his power and this kind of

00:24:58

stupid

00:25:02

mistake, the Versailles syndrome, that is,

00:25:04

obviously it worked, he grinded it all

00:25:07

out and in two thirds he managed to

00:25:10

put it in such a

00:25:12

classic Russian the channel we are the Heirs of

00:25:16

Byzantium are fighting against the Latins, this is it,

00:25:19

this is the result, this is some kind of new consensus

00:25:21

that Chust This is a product of self-isolation

00:25:23

as an understanding, I know this is a

00:25:26

product of self-isolation is the basis

00:25:29

for what other

00:25:32

products to occur, I would say so Yes, it

00:25:35

triggered very powerful potential

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loud, sharp words, even to this day there

00:26:02

the word war at certain levels

00:26:05

is replaced by the word its Maxim Oreshkin

00:26:08

came up with the definition of a race

00:26:10

of sovereignties, that is, it’s not an

00:26:12

arms race there’s not a cold war, but

00:26:14

we now have sovereignties running after each

00:26:16

other and one gets the impression that in in

00:26:19

general, Russian society doesn’t seem to

00:26:21

fully understand that there is a

00:26:23

war going on. Yes, people who go against Ronnie are

00:26:26

not here because they want to

00:26:29

kill and take up arms, but

00:26:32

because they are offered good money

00:26:33

or they simply have no choice; to our

00:26:36

deepest regret, what you just

00:26:39

described is, well, in fact, it

00:26:41

was like this everywhere and at all times, and you don’t have to

00:26:45

think that this is the impression of the Second World War,

00:26:49

for example, or of the Great

00:26:52

Patriotic War in the annex of the Second

00:26:53

World War to the Soviet Union, which is

00:26:57

according to books and films, it

00:27:01

was 100% like that, and even then in the

00:27:04

Soviet Union there were quite

00:27:07

enclaves, enclaves where people pretended

00:27:14

that there was no war going on. Although of course,

00:27:17

so to speak, they understood that it was going on and

00:27:19

it influenced them, but they

00:27:22

tried to make it look like this, and even if

00:27:25

we remember the later stories

00:27:30

about what happened in

00:27:32

Smolny during the siege of Leningrad, then

00:27:37

everything there was also generally quite

00:27:40

different than in the freezing and starving

00:27:45

city, and there were cakes and, so to speak,

00:27:49

parties were held and the like

00:27:53

the number of people of

00:27:56

whom,

00:27:58

let’s say by the way, this is one of the

00:28:01

psychological problems that I

00:28:04

cannot explain to myself. Putin For all that,

00:28:07

he is still a person from a family of people,

00:28:12

and not grandparents, but precisely the

00:28:14

parents of people who survived the blockade,

00:28:17

so he could certainly be in the family something

00:28:20

was said about this, something was said,

00:28:22

this is personal What is called

00:28:24

Memories of how such a person could

00:28:27

give the order to

00:28:29

bomb the cities of the city of the state

00:28:34

that he is, at least in his

00:28:37

presentation Well, as in the presentation of so

00:28:39

many of our peers, he is part of

00:28:41

his own country Here you are

00:28:44

you perceive Ukraine as part of your

00:28:46

country Yes, and you give the command to bomb

00:28:49

cities, this is also very difficult for me to

00:28:51

imagine. Especially I once again

00:28:54

emphasize from the family of people who survived

00:28:56

the blockade, well, apparently Well, I

00:28:59

want to say again this is some kind of

00:29:00

psychological benefit, this is already a

00:29:02

psychiatric illness and it must be

00:29:04

perceived exactly like this, but that

00:29:08

in order for people with a psychiatric

00:29:11

illness to commit their crimes, it is

00:29:14

necessary for this to happen in order for the

00:29:16

circumstances to develop and

00:29:18

for other people there to pretend that

00:29:22

nothing is happening there or there

00:29:24

were some other people the problem is that it’s absolutely

00:29:26

obvious, I

00:29:27

’ll remember once again about the same Beijing about which

00:29:31

the prosecutors turned all their ears back then, in

00:29:34

my opinion, he killed people in Bitsevsky Park,

00:29:38

so to speak, and so they

00:29:42

put a dozen additional murders on him

00:29:45

Well, since he didn’t care was

00:29:47

ready to exchange it for chicken wings

00:29:51

and pi. But this meant that

00:29:58

they simply transferred the murder of completely different people to him and, accordingly, no

00:30:00

one was looking for these killers,

00:30:02

of course, any prerequisites for These

00:30:05

kind of people are

00:30:07

created by other people and the general human

00:30:11

perception, therefore the fact that the Russians

00:30:15

they are trying not to think about the war and it should be

00:30:18

noted that in general some people in

00:30:21

Ukraine are also trying not to think about the war,

00:30:26

we see this topic. There is also indignation

00:30:29

on this topic in Ukrainian society.

00:30:31

Well, now there is indignation on this topic

00:30:34

after the famous naked

00:30:37

party in Russian society, too,

00:30:39

everyone seems to be outraged. But how

00:30:41

can you when the War is going on? Well, that’s how it is. That’s

00:30:45

because Putin convinced Well, or

00:30:48

it’s wrong to say that he convinced, he’s trying to

00:30:50

convince everyone, this is his line and the line of his

00:30:53

administration that there is no war.

00:30:57

Although people That’s it they behave as if

00:31:02

tens and hundreds of thousands of people are not being killed next to them,

00:31:05

and it looks wild and scary and

00:31:08

disgusting, nevertheless, this is how we are

00:31:11

structured when this is our

00:31:14

device, the desire to push

00:31:18

terrible events into the Edge of consciousness. It is also

00:31:21

supported by well-thought-out propaganda

00:31:24

then yes, such impressions occur, well,

00:31:27

you know, there are a million people,

00:31:31

today there are about a million

00:31:33

people who have passed through the war zone,

00:31:36

about half a million people

00:31:39

have been killed and maimed, you can’t

00:31:41

hide it. Well, so to speak. He said at the beginning of his

00:31:44

journey

00:31:46

that a comparable number die in

00:31:51

car accidents but now it’s no longer, in

00:31:54

general, so to speak, a little more, then

00:31:59

it will be further, that is, some kind of nization of society is still

00:32:02

going on. Well, of course. And

00:32:05

what is happening here in the political sense, in my

00:32:08

opinion, is that Putin’s

00:32:10

support is still in a certain sense

00:32:14

shrinks because that part of the people

00:32:17

who do not accept this war does not

00:32:20

accept murder, they still

00:32:22

gradually refuse to trust Putin and,

00:32:25

on the contrary,

00:32:27

people who

00:32:28

become more or less

00:32:31

beneficiaries, she, so to speak, gradually

00:32:33

gets used to this life of hers when the

00:32:36

income is large when, so to speak,

00:32:40

their significance in society has increased and

00:32:43

is becoming the very support that

00:32:46

is acquiring significant significance for Putin,

00:32:49

and this is what

00:32:51

explains, among other things, the idea

00:32:54

that it will be very difficult for Putin

00:32:57

to end this war with any peace

00:32:59

agreement. Vladimir Borisovich in the

00:33:02

continuation of the nization of society, as it

00:33:05

seems to me,

00:33:08

the cry is now in in Russian society, these

00:33:11

are

00:33:12

the military correspondents, now we already remembered about the

00:33:15

party of almost naked Russian

00:33:18

stars. And this week there was also a

00:33:21

corporate party for Volgograd journalists

00:33:23

from the state and the military correspondents and they were canceled. In general,

00:33:27

everyone there was fired Although they were dressed

00:33:29

much more modestly than those stars

00:33:33

whose photographs we everyone saw how

00:33:35

you would characterize these Z cows over there,

00:33:38

these are really now new moral

00:33:40

tuning forks for us. Previously, there were the feelings of

00:33:43

believers that affected everyone,

00:33:45

now instead of the feelings of

00:33:47

believers, we now have these guys

00:33:51

who write from the front and

00:33:55

kick everyone at every opportunity those who do not

00:33:58

support the war or ignore it,

00:34:00

listen, I’m a spoiled person here,

00:34:03

I don’t believe in the birth of something out of

00:34:07

nothing, and I think that this is a

00:34:12

technological thing, these are all

00:34:14

military correspondents because this is from the

00:34:20

repertoire and Arsenal of the

00:34:23

presidential administration from those ideas that

00:34:26

they peed on their knees when it became clear that

00:34:29

war was inevitable and they wrote out a plan of

00:34:33

action for them, well, well, well,

00:34:36

Gromo came to the department there and said how we will

00:34:38

do this, the people who sat there, well, let’s

00:34:41

call it conditionally, a

00:34:43

sitenka on Kiriyenko’s salary and

00:34:49

in general in fact, they still remember the hand of

00:34:52

Surkov, that is, they have not yet forgotten the methods

00:34:54

by which this was done and say it is necessary to

00:34:57

create Well, relatively speaking, the Backbone of such a

00:35:00

cohort that will become the skeleton of this

00:35:04

new, more aggressive Propaganda and Well,

00:35:07

how to create Well, that is, there will be a war, they

00:35:09

already understood what would happen The war, especially

00:35:11

when the first month and a half

00:35:13

has passed, that is, it is clear that society

00:35:15

will partially live by this whole

00:35:18

agenda, which means that this agenda needs to be

00:35:21

constantly supported by someone

00:35:25

promoting it,

00:35:27

that is, letting anyone in there. Well, it’s

00:35:30

like they

00:35:31

’ll write something that won’t

00:35:34

seem a little, accordingly we need some kind of

00:35:37

proven party

00:35:39

press. And in fact, such a

00:35:43

corps of special

00:35:45

correspondents was created, which is elite. This is an

00:35:48

elite unit, let’s call it that if

00:35:50

we equate the

00:35:54

army press, so it is, it’s a kind of special forces. That

00:35:58

is, as selected individually, so I do

00:36:02

n’t think that this is some kind of- then this is the class

00:36:04

that arose there on its own,

00:36:07

this special unit assembled piece by piece

00:36:10

and actually it is cosplay of

00:36:13

what Surkov did at the beginning of the 2000s, that

00:36:16

is, when he created this

00:36:18

same special forces Well, they just weren’t dressed in

00:36:21

flowers then But these are all these the experts

00:36:24

who trained there almost all the time, that is,

00:36:27

who were shown there as the 100

00:36:29

smartest and who constantly stuck around

00:36:32

and

00:36:33

said why Ukrainians are bad,

00:36:36

right now three doctors of science will come out

00:36:38

who will tell you about this Well, yes,

00:36:41

smart people are talking about this, I don’t think

00:36:43

that here is some topic that has

00:36:46

deep social roots, I was

00:36:48

interested in your previous question,

00:36:50

which seemed very

00:36:54

interesting to me about militarization.

00:36:56

You see, here is one of the results of this year,

00:36:59

as it seems to me, and for both sides of

00:37:01

the war it doesn’t work for me. That’s the word there

00:37:03

om say both sides of the conflict

00:37:05

You see, the word conflict no longer

00:37:08

fits into this context, you see, by

00:37:10

the end of 2023 the

00:37:14

Russian-Ukrainian conflict is already burning,

00:37:16

you understand, when there are

00:37:18

already 200,000 corpses, this is no longer a conflict.

00:37:21

This is already something else on both sides of

00:37:23

the catastrophe on both sides. war, but in

00:37:27

fact there was a certain symmetry, I

00:37:30

only realized this now when, under the

00:37:32

new Minister of Defense, I began to

00:37:35

receive some information about the mobilization

00:37:38

policy in Ukraine and, well, there was more to

00:37:41

read. And then suddenly, with great

00:37:44

shock, I discovered that both in Russia and in

00:37:47

Ukraine, in a year and a half, this war never

00:37:51

became a war of the middle class; at the beginning,

00:37:54

passionate elements

00:37:57

on both sides went to this war, it doesn’t matter what

00:38:00

class they belong to. That is, in a

00:38:02

year and a half, in principle, the war washed out

00:38:06

everyone who was ready to fight for the idea and here

00:38:09

and there, and I must say that the number of

00:38:11

people who are ready to fight for the idea on both

00:38:17

sides Well, in general, it was quite large in

00:38:21

principle, and here and there money is paid

00:38:24

and it’s

00:38:28

quite good. Well, in accordance with the standards,

00:38:30

this part is also kind of further Here’s a very

00:38:34

interesting point I read in one

00:38:36

of the analyses, but in general, the mobilization in both

00:38:41

Ukraine and Russia

00:38:44

initially affected socially vulnerable

00:38:47

layers of the population, primarily

00:38:50

residents of smaller cities, and this is the

00:38:53

meaning of such a war, in

00:38:58

which this is the basis of society which

00:39:02

creates the mood you asked This is

00:39:06

the mood Fame is created by women Well

00:39:10

today Probably this is no longer the case, but for many

00:39:13

centuries it was like this, they understand that they were like

00:39:17

me, the director of the amateur theater of the

00:39:20

Kiev University, when in the first

00:39:22

year they shoved me there

00:39:23

while I was there to escape from the clutches, he kept

00:39:28

saying that glory is a woman,

00:39:32

but the mood of society is created by the middle

00:39:34

class, and this middle class had

00:39:38

the opportunity, well, for the most

00:39:40

part, to observe the

00:39:44

war from a comfortable position like this earlier, you

00:39:47

said from the sofa, move Well, in the bar there,

00:39:51

now this time is ending and this is

00:39:52

how it will turn out further this war and the

00:39:55

government understands that this is

00:39:57

territory that they really don’t want to

00:39:59

enter and therefore, uh, and believe me,

00:40:02

Putin has a request for additional

00:40:04

mobilization, they just don’t talk about it much

00:40:06

because the society is more closed and

00:40:09

at least

00:40:12

half a million are asking for Gerasimov, you know, but

00:40:16

Zelensky is just talking about it the rumor says, but Putin

00:40:17

doesn’t, both of them are dragging their feet on answering

00:40:20

these requests from the military, they’re stalling Why

00:40:22

Because they understand that next they will need to

00:40:25

touch those who create the mood,

00:40:28

this is the cut-off point for this year,

00:40:30

it’s very interesting, this is a very interesting

00:40:33

observation, Mikhail Borisovich Well, let’s

00:40:35

Now about the opposition, what assessment would you

00:40:38

give to the Russian opposition? I would

00:40:40

probably even know in the broad sense of

00:40:42

this word the position that left.

00:40:46

Maybe there is even Ekaterina Nzo, who

00:40:47

appeared at the end of the year. Well, you have

00:40:50

already given an assessment to journalists. Everything is clear here,

00:40:53

however, what do you say can Lima

00:40:56

replace the opposition with artificial

00:41:00

intelligence I don’t know We all understand that those

00:41:04

who have not yet studied gpt chat at least

00:41:07

come in. Don’t be afraid it’s not so

00:41:09

scary good I believe that most of

00:41:12

those programs that are written as

00:41:16

projects for the future of Russia now gpt

00:41:19

will write no worse about But this is a challenge

00:41:22

now, a challenge of course, but just so to

00:41:25

speak, this is a challenge, after all, not so much to

00:41:27

the opposition as to the opposition, this

00:41:31

political strategist, since it is precisely the position that is

00:41:34

accused of writing little about

00:41:37

the future and only having no plans there.

00:41:40

But

00:41:42

no matter, firstly, we must remember that

00:41:46

the opposition in Russia is the opposition to the regime, it is

00:41:50

somewhat more than the Democratic

00:41:53

opposition We are with you because

00:41:56

we are in our information bubble,

00:41:59

we are always talking about the democratic

00:42:01

opposition, in fact Prigozhin

00:42:04

was also an opposition Well, it was

00:42:06

destroyed Strelkov Girkin, too, there was an

00:42:09

opposition of such originality but the opposition,

00:42:12

he is also in prison today,

00:42:15

there is a significant part of the left opposition,

00:42:19

meaning those who are

00:42:22

adherents of the Communist Party and

00:42:26

T so powerful

00:42:29

intellectual support today, in any case,

00:42:31

in various universities, including Western ones,

00:42:33

because there, too, in

00:42:36

general, like us Now we understand that

00:42:38

the leftists have settled in many ways that

00:42:40

Tolya never understood or

00:42:43

understood before but then Forgot that Socialism is

00:42:46

not so great, nevertheless, this

00:42:48

part of the opposition in Russia also exists

00:42:51

and not all of them, these leftists are so

00:42:54

servile, their leadership

00:42:58

Dear Zyuganov, who is his

00:43:01

he is such a half-decayed body,

00:43:04

nevertheless, this is the left movement in

00:43:06

Russia so far and quite successfully shutting

00:43:09

it up in one direction from it

00:43:13

coming into sharp opposition to the

00:43:16

authorities, and on the other hand, that the authorities in

00:43:20

general are reacting to this left movement, too,

00:43:22

today is still harsh doesn’t come around Well,

00:43:26

having said that the opposition in

00:43:28

Russia is much broader. Moreover, we must not

00:43:32

forget that there are very many of them, they are not

00:43:35

very influential today, but nevertheless there

00:43:37

are national movements

00:43:40

that, in a certain sense, can also be

00:43:42

attributed to the opposition; this is also worth

00:43:46

remembering returning to the

00:43:50

democratic opposition closest to us, that is,

00:43:52

the opposition that sees the future

00:43:55

of Russia and as a democratic country, this

00:43:58

part of the opposition represents

00:44:00

approximately 20 to 30% of society, as can be

00:44:04

seen from polls, and now this part

00:44:08

is naturally in a defeated

00:44:12

state because that wing of it which

00:44:16

worked successfully inside Russia,

00:44:19

today it has been weakened, otherwise its wing

00:44:22

that works in exile is Although it

00:44:26

has strengthened

00:44:28

due to the transfer of people there, it has nevertheless

00:44:32

not strengthened as much as the

00:44:34

wing inside Russia has weakened. Why is this

00:44:37

also happening? In general, it is quite

00:44:38

clear. Because people find themselves in

00:44:42

free for them the world, that is, in a world

00:44:44

where they can do what they want, and

00:44:48

they generally understand that the opportunity to

00:44:51

continue opposition work is

00:44:53

only one of the life strategies and is by

00:44:56

no means the most

00:45:00

profitable and profitable for them, I mean

00:45:02

profit and not profitable only in

00:45:04

monetary terms and maybe not

00:45:05

so much in monetary terms, but in the sense of

00:45:08

self-realization and a huge number of

00:45:11

people who are quite effective,

00:45:15

quite advanced, creative, they

00:45:17

generally instantly find other

00:45:21

areas of application that are in no way connected with

00:45:23

Russia. Russia is losing these people. Although

00:45:25

they say that yes we we would like to help

00:45:28

our country But you and I understand perfectly well

00:45:30

that within a year many of them would

00:45:32

return; within 5 years,

00:45:35

much fewer of them, and over the horizon 5 years of

00:45:39

them, almost no one will return back, and no

00:45:43

matter how we say it, is it good or

00:45:45

bad but nevertheless, this is how

00:45:47

people work, and the Russians are

00:45:52

people who are

00:45:54

very easy to integrate in the West; it’s

00:45:57

very easy to integrate;

00:45:59

no problems at all. In any case,

00:46:01

talented creative people do not

00:46:03

arise, and from this point of view, of course, they

00:46:07

continue to deal with Russian

00:46:09

issues only those people who

00:46:12

have either a very serious Motivation for

00:46:15

this Well, my motivation For example It is

00:46:18

so very clear Yes, 10 years in prison

00:46:22

they create motivation to continue working

00:46:26

for a long time, well, and then I can

00:46:29

afford it, there are not very many such people and

00:46:33

those people who only continue to work those who have

00:46:36

arrived for another

00:46:38

two years have retained

00:46:41

this fuse, those

00:46:44

people for

00:46:45

whom opposition work is

00:46:49

the only personally satisfying

00:46:52

way of self-realization continue to work, and those

00:46:55

people who have not found themselves in other

00:46:59

areas of activity continue to work, that is, this

00:47:03

set of problems leads to because

00:47:07

Russia will weaken The democratic position

00:47:10

has not strengthened so much outside its borders,

00:47:14

if we talk about those people who

00:47:16

remained in Russia, then it is very important for them.

00:47:19

In my opinion, to accept for

00:47:22

themselves the

00:47:24

reality of a

00:47:26

semi-totalitarian state, and Russia

00:47:29

today is already a one-and-a-half,

00:47:32

largely ideologically

00:47:34

fascist state it is

00:47:36

the state. In this case I am talking

00:47:39

specifically about the apparatus of violence, then people

00:47:43

must understand

00:47:44

that any of their actions puts a target on them

00:47:48

and when these actions are committed, they must not

00:47:57

hide their participation. Or they must

00:47:59

understand that this has its own and very

00:48:02

expensive price today from this

00:48:05

point of view, the phenomenon of the NTSVO and those people

00:48:10

who supported it, of course,

00:48:12

shows that there are still many real violent ones in Russia

00:48:16

and those who are ready, even within the framework

00:48:22

of it,

00:48:26

including the power

00:48:29

press, to engage in this very

00:48:32

political work that has no

00:48:37

obvious way out in the form of a change of power.

00:48:39

This is what we must understand. We all

00:48:42

understand that there is no direct way out in the

00:48:44

form of a change of power from today’s work there, the

00:48:47

same NCO or the people taking part

00:48:51

in the project to delegate Putin in the project,

00:48:56

so to speak, of uniting the Russian

00:49:00

democratic opposition to

00:49:03

carry out a

00:49:05

campaign for Putin. and so on, all

00:49:08

these people. They must understand. And I hope

00:49:11

that they understand that this has no way out

00:49:14

in the form of a change of power tomorrow. But this,

00:49:18

of course, creates the preconditions not only

00:49:21

for its change. In the medium term,

00:49:24

and I assume that this will happen there

00:49:27

within the next 5 the dash is 10 years old and

00:49:31

there are all the historical

00:49:33

prerequisites for this, that is, we are in the

00:49:36

last stage of the existence of this

00:49:38

regime, what people are doing now does not

00:49:41

even influence the acceleration of

00:49:44

the process of change of power so much as the

00:49:46

direction in which this change will take place

00:49:50

because Well, we no one

00:49:51

would want Putin to be replaced by

00:49:54

some shmoo and then the Armed Forces

00:49:56

continue in the same direction, but for

00:49:59

this it is necessary to work and people

00:50:01

do it and, in general, suffer and lose years

00:50:06

of life, I will now of course remember about our

00:50:09

political prisoners, thank God they

00:50:12

found Alexei there ultimately, in the Kharpa

00:50:15

where Platon Lebedev used to sit,

00:50:19

here is the stern Vladimir Andrey Varov Ilya

00:50:23

Yashin In general, there are many people who are now

00:50:26

paying a high price for the

00:50:30

decisions made, and it is precisely for these

00:50:32

reasons that I, for example, was not ready to

00:50:34

accept responsibility Although so to

00:50:36

speak Naturally,

00:50:40

the Kremlin sees me behind any process, but I was not

00:50:43

ready to accept responsibility for what

00:50:47

Dun Soova did because, well, I

00:50:51

understood better than many how this could

00:50:54

end, and I am afraid it will end somehow for

00:50:58

many taking part in this.

00:51:01

I think that these people are great, they are doing a

00:51:07

very important job. But I’m not ready

00:51:11

psychologically

00:51:13

to say. Let’s say that in

00:51:17

this sense I’m absolutely not a pacifist. I do

00:51:20

n’t put on any white coats at the moment when I

00:51:22

feel that this power is starting to

00:51:26

waver, as in the situation when Prigozhin I

00:51:30

started my rebellion, I will without any doubt

00:51:33

call on people to direct confrontation

00:51:38

so that people risk their lives.

00:51:40

Because in my life I risked it more

00:51:44

than once and achieved success together with

00:51:47

my other colleagues, this was in the

00:51:50

first year and this was in the third year

00:51:53

this was in the same year Well, then there were

00:51:56

failures that cost me 10 years, but even

00:51:59

then I, in fact, took a meaningful

00:52:02

risk; when I feel that

00:52:06

Victory is possible, I will undoubtedly urge you to take

00:52:10

risks, but now I did not dare.

00:52:14

Therefore, if we sum up this year,

00:52:17

we say

00:52:18

that the Democratic opposition was

00:52:21

she was quite active, she did what she did

00:52:26

n’t do, what was not expected from those people

00:52:31

who believe, for reasons unknown to me,

00:52:34

that a revolutionary situation has matured in Russia,

00:52:36

alas, it has

00:52:39

not yet matured. Well, the Democratic

00:52:40

opposition, it turns out, will be able to

00:52:55

form the US company back. Yes,

00:52:57

of course, US, you’ll come later by the way, interesting Have

00:53:00

you been looking at the US since 1993,

00:53:02

or did it come later? No.

00:53:04

In 1995. Well, I understand, yes, it

00:53:08

came in 1995, but you never know,

00:53:09

maybe the audit began, no one expected

00:53:12

that the Soviet management of the company

00:53:15

would be able to ruin it in literally

00:53:17

a matter of years in 10 years you

00:53:20

promise us a change

00:53:21

of power and I remember you once in one of the

00:53:24

interviews that all these ten years are passing

00:53:27

rapidly, before you even have time to blink your eye, there’s

00:53:29

already a hop and a change of scenery, that’s why

00:53:32

we’ll watch Vladimir

00:53:36

Borisovich, your assessment of the democratic

00:53:39

opposition and this new pockets of

00:53:42

opposition that are emerging one way or another,

00:53:44

but it seems like Vladimir Putin

00:53:48

skillfully copes with these small pockets,

00:53:51

what do you say and let’s

00:53:54

sum up the year with a general topic because I’m

00:53:58

not ready to plunge into the

00:54:00

ocean of assessing the Russian opposition I

00:54:03

only agree with Mikhail Borisovich’s general approach

00:54:06

to the part is that it is

00:54:08

much wider than the Democratic

00:54:10

opposition, there is another group that he did

00:54:13

not name, this is the silent apparatus

00:54:17

position of this course, this is the opposition of those who

00:54:21

seem to be on the

00:54:22

surface, but who

00:54:26

actually maintain an internal distance and

00:54:29

reflection

00:54:31

and there were sleepers in the series, but there are enough of these sleepers

00:54:35

a lot, but at the same time they are sleeping on the outside, but

00:54:39

on the inside, in general, people understand that the country is

00:54:42

moving towards a catastrophe

00:54:45

and there is work going on both of the brain and, as it were, internally,

00:54:50

there is a discussion with ourselves about what

00:54:54

can be done to prevent it, and for me

00:54:56

this is a very powerful detachment, maybe the most

00:54:58

powerful of everyone else, and

00:55:02

as for the year for the opposition, well, I would

00:55:06

say that there were two very important

00:55:08

processes of demarcation and consolidation, and

00:55:12

we saw both. Well, for example, this

00:55:16

year, yes, this is the year of a colossal

00:55:19

demarcation that occurred around,

00:55:23

say, the scandal with sanctions by

00:55:27

Alpha FBK Well you understand these events If

00:55:30

we talk about the life of the opposition Well, yes, this is

00:55:33

such a system-forming event of the year

00:55:35

for the opposition, it sharply

00:55:39

accelerated some issues of divergence and

00:55:42

in parallel We saw a kind of reverse

00:55:45

process of such a certain ideological

00:55:48

consolidation, but I would note for myself

00:55:51

that this year became a certain year

00:55:55

consolidation of the position around the idea

00:55:58

of federalism, that is, even 2-3-4 years ago,

00:56:04

there were a lot of different

00:56:06

opinions regarding what we should actually strive for. Now it seems that the idea of a

00:56:09

model that should develop in different groups and

00:56:11

groups is similar and little by little

00:56:15

people learn to talk to each other friend

00:56:19

and

00:56:22

some kind of dialogue is being established, from here there is

00:56:26

a movement, the second idea around

00:56:29

which consolidation is taking place,

00:56:31

this word is slowly emerging, coalition is getting

00:56:34

used to it, the

00:56:36

word coalition is

00:56:40

not very popular, but nevertheless

00:56:42

Already understands that Yes, something around

00:56:45

this is needed build

00:56:47

and the understanding is slowly growing that the

00:56:50

wider the coalition, the more people there will be who do

00:56:53

n’t think like me and

00:56:57

who just look in the same

00:56:59

direction as me but think completely differently,

00:57:01

the more likely there will be to

00:57:04

stop the catastrophe, so even in

00:57:06

this regard, from my point of view from the perspective of the year

00:57:08

It was very intense That is, it is not

00:57:10

empty Oh this calmness of this year

00:57:14

is the Gloss from the surface it is

00:57:17

actually an appearance because this is a very

00:57:19

popular year this is the year of tying knots But we

00:57:25

will already go beyond the last

00:57:28

topic I would like to discuss this all - the

00:57:31

person of Alexei Navalny, he disappeared for

00:57:34

20 days, we found him. As you Mikhail

00:57:37

Bori said. In the Yamalonetsky Autonomous

00:57:40

Okrug, a lot was said during these 20

00:57:43

days, someone went into complete pessimism and

00:57:46

said that perhaps Navalny is no longer

00:57:48

alive, perhaps this is how the Kremlin is taking revenge for

00:57:51

these billboards and the beginning of the campaign

00:57:53

campaign, someone was more optimistic.

00:57:57

Nevertheless, Navalny is alive, it seems,

00:57:59

even in high spirits, as high as

00:58:01

it can be in the conditions

00:58:04

in which he was placed. And why he is

00:58:07

still being kept alive is not

00:58:10

typical for Putin at all lately, in

00:58:13

any case, there has been the adoption of irreversible

00:58:16

decisions. That is, he constantly

00:58:18

strives to leave for himself more

00:58:22

opportunities for

00:58:24

various opportunities that can be

00:58:27

used, and from this point of view,

00:58:30

Navalny is one of such

00:58:31

opportunities and to cease his

00:58:34

existence from this point of view, Putin

00:58:37

In

00:58:38

general, in his in any case, I

00:58:41

would not be inclined to the previous paradigm, as he

00:58:44

was not inclined at one time to stop my

00:58:46

existence. That is, this is such a good

00:58:50

bargaining chip that can be

00:58:52

used in completely different

00:58:55

scenarios. It can be changed. You can

00:58:58

give a little more

00:59:02

opportunity to come out of prison, you can

00:59:05

tweak this opportunity. and reduce it

00:59:07

down to complete zero, and so on, with

00:59:11

this opportunity you can threaten some kind of

00:59:14

apparatus forces or that very

00:59:17

bureaucratic opposition that

00:59:19

Boris spoke about because, as we say,

00:59:24

Navalny is a joke for this

00:59:27

part of society, so Well, here there

00:59:30

is a whole bunch of layouts and for In

00:59:33

order for such situations to

00:59:36

simply be crossed out, such a

00:59:39

very significant crisis is needed, and from this point of

00:59:41

view, I had one moment this year

00:59:44

when I was really worried

00:59:47

about Alexey, this is when the

00:59:50

Prigozhin rebellion began, because in

00:59:54

such a crisis situation, if if it would

00:59:56

continue to develop, one of the first

00:59:59

points in the memo of the

01:00:03

dictator defending is the

01:00:05

destruction of the most prominent opponents.

01:00:08

So this list is there, and there are a number of people on this list,

01:00:12

and Alexey Anatolyevich is in a

01:00:15

place of honor in it. So it was

01:00:18

really such a risky moment in this sense

01:00:20

everything else so

01:00:22

to speak Well stage During my prison e

01:00:26

popei the stages

01:00:27

also took quite a long time and

01:00:31

during the stages you do not have the opportunity

01:00:33

to inform someone Where you

01:00:35

are

01:00:36

and in every possible way closes for various reasons the

01:00:41

directions of your transfer and I am there

01:00:45

Vol in the season for quite a long time time

01:00:49

during this and

01:00:51

also with

01:00:53

whom the lattice because I had with me a

01:00:56

can of that not stewed meat but condensed milk, so

01:00:59

I dragged it

01:01:01

through the whole stage and ultimately

01:01:04

gave it to this very cat, but for this he

01:01:09

brightens me up there for 2 weeks

01:01:24

and he really has them and they are

01:01:27

really, in my opinion, very

01:01:28

good and he has certain chances to

01:01:31

even continue his political career

01:01:34

if my forecast is that

01:01:37

this regime has 5 to 10 years left

01:01:40

if this forecast comes true Well, everything

01:01:43

else will depend on his health

01:01:46

and physical and including

01:01:48

psychological Vladimir Borisovich has

01:01:50

What to add Yes no, I think something in

01:01:55

general

01:01:57

We understood that the regime would now

01:02:02

carry out a purge before the elections and of course it

01:02:06

was all orchestrated

01:02:10

with Alexei Navalny Well, in general, I

01:02:13

said approximately this at the first day

01:02:16

that they

01:02:23

were synchronized and they were solving two

01:02:25

problems. They understand perfectly well that

01:02:28

this formal law, which when

01:02:31

they need to adhere to it, gives them

01:02:33

the opportunity to hide it for the entire duration of

01:02:35

the stage, they hid it for the entire duration

01:02:37

of the stage, then everyone ran like

01:02:40

crazy, screaming where is Navalny at

01:02:43

in the end, they took him to a place where it

01:02:46

would be very difficult for lawyers to travel and where there was

01:02:50

even less possibility of communication. Well, they would

01:02:53

keep him there

01:02:54

away from prying eyes. Well, I don’t think that

01:02:58

this will help them, strictly

01:03:01

speaking. Well, yes, they create the image of an iron

01:03:05

mask, but he’s also wearing an iron mask. Knight

01:03:07

a way to say everything that he considers necessary

01:03:09

Thank you very much these are the results

01:03:12

summed up by Vladimir Pastukhov Mikhail

01:03:15

Khodorkovsky I’m not saying goodbye to you yet

01:03:17

to the audience Khodorkovsky will have his

01:03:20

programs in My performance this

01:03:23

year

01:03:25

some wishes to our viewers

01:03:27

Please let us survive this year we will survive

01:03:31

and the next wish is to survive the

01:03:33

next year, a simple,

01:03:36

good, normal year and to smile

01:03:41

at least a few times during it Mikhail Borisovich, I have my

01:03:43

word for you, I know during my life

01:03:46

I went through many stages where I thought that a

01:03:50

lot depends on a person,

01:03:52

a little depends on a person, and then again a

01:03:54

lot depends on a person In general, now I usually

01:03:57

wish people good luck, because I believe

01:04:00

that a

01:04:01

lot depends on us, but without luck

01:04:06

nothing will work out at all. So good luck

01:04:08

in the new year, astrologers say that

01:04:10

Leap Year is the year of the Dragon, luck

01:04:13

will be difficult, but nevertheless, I hope

01:04:16

that everyone she is proud that he has a lot of Surprises for

01:04:19

himself Let's hope that the surprises

01:04:22

will be good a little bit of a hoax at

01:04:24

the end and Thank you all thank you for

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Какие события запомнились Михаилу Ходорковскому и Владимиру Пастухову в 2023 году? Как можно охарактеризовать уходящий год? Как изменилась власть и общество? Почему следующая мобилизация будет совсем другой? Что будет с оппозицией и Алексеем Навальным? Когда в России сменится режим? Об этом и многом другом — в еженедельной программе Михаила Ходорковского и Владимира Пастухова «Дорожная карта». Ведущий — Богдан Бакалейко. Таймкоды: 00:00 Приветствие 01:35 Каким год запомнил Михаил Ходорковский 06:00 Пастухов: 2023 – год колоссального напряжения 12:41 Ходорковский: 2023 – год военных конфликтов по всему миру 16:55 Ходорковский: Путин – маньяк 18:24 Пастухов: люди перестали бояться браться за оружие 25:49 Ходорковский: Путин пытается сделать вид, что войны нет 33:00 Пастухов: Z-военкорры – задумка Кремля 36:48 Пастухов: следующая мобилизация затронет "средний класс" 40:32 Ходорковский: кто против Путина 43:47 Ходорковский: в каком состоянии демократическая оппозиция 47:13 Ходорковский: в России еще очень много буйных 53:55 Пастухов: 2023 – год размежевания и консолидации для оппозиции 57:27 Ходорковский: зачем Навальный Путину 1:01:59 Пастухов: Кремль спрячет Навального во время выборов 1:03:08 Пожелания с Новым Годом СМОТРИТЕ ТАКЖЕ НА ХОДОРКОВСКИЙ LIVE ШЕНДЕРОВИЧ: Путин хочет Украину целиком. Набиуллина — это не смешно. Ивлеева и Киркоров. Дунцова https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiXoe1_ElVQ ДУНЦОВА: Денег Ходорковского нет. На Бузову не похожа. К Путину в штаб не пойду. Жены мобилизованных https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNfLSrpQ7TY ХОДОРКОВСКИЙ и ПАСТУХОВ: Мобилизация в мае. Путин прикрывается яйцами и колбасой. Дефицит на полках https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I7J_heoIXs БЫКОВ: Режим Путина убьется об стену. Подарки — обыски и вандализм. Спецэфир в ДР. Акунин. Михалков https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8CJB6EO-o АСЛАНЯН: Новейший двигатель АвтоВАЗа — на конвейере. Провал Mercedes и Honda. Вьетнам и Lamborghini https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMgc9jlMyQk ПАСТУХОВ: Путину впервые нечего сказать. Конституция, Быков и Акунин, Навальный, Горинов https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0loeRBI4MU КОХ: Путин проиграет НАТО. Украина не Европа. Россия не орда. Донаты ВСУ. Шендерович. Быков https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vojh_6qA300 ИНОЗЕМЦЕВ: Инфляция в РФ дойдет до 18%. Почему растут цены. Что будет с рублем. Зависимость от $ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisFkH44beM АЛЕКСАШЕНКО: Почему растут цены. Какая на самом деле инфляция в России. Что с яйцами https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S4KPpDPW60 ГАЛЛЯМОВ: Путин проговорился на прямой линии. Почему не было жен мобилизованных. Вопрос от двойника https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJSj8gAsRic МОЖЕМ ОБЪЯСНИТЬ | Настоящие болезни Путина. Миллиарды его жены. Диагноз от Шульман https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRoz-exNVEg ПЕРВАЯ ПОЛОСА | Прямая линия с Путиным. Реакция Запада: «ветераны СВО» промоют мозги детям России https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbER2jEFMdw ЛИПСИЦ: Зависимость России от Китая – это плохо. Чего боится Дерипаска? Какие налоги поднимут https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFwEcK0L3bI Блог Михаила Ходорковского: https://www.youtube.com/user/khodorkovskyru

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