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connect and join our00:00:07
conversation00:00:08
accordingly00:00:10
because we know you or not, in00:00:14
principle, we had meetings, they blame00:00:16
it seems that no,00:00:17
but this is not yes, well, I understood, yes, that is,00:00:22
look, my difficulty is that yes,00:00:24
we did not have meetings,00:00:28
respectively, at the same time,00:00:31
today’s meeting is dedicated to00:00:33
unusual serious texts and00:00:37
I imagine a lot of thoughts around it, given00:00:39
that it is limited in time and00:00:41
you and I will have to simultaneously get00:00:43
acquainted and somehow establish00:00:46
a dialogue and at the same time try to00:00:49
make out at least some points in00:00:52
this text, I even I don’t dare, but the fact that we00:00:55
were able to sort it out completely, no, there are00:00:58
some main points,00:01:00
accordingly, well, in general, just in00:01:03
case, I’ll introduce myself Valery00:01:04
Aleksandrovich, my name is bazaars, on00:01:10
my schedule it turns out that00:01:13
you and I will have at least one more00:01:15
meeting, that is00:01:19
in a different way the text before, respectively,00:01:21
today00:01:23
we have a meeting dedicated to the text of00:01:26
Sigmund Freud, one00:01:28
childhood memory of Leonardo da Vinci, and00:01:33
moreover, such a rarity of the day, in any00:01:37
case, which has recently become, to00:01:40
my regret and00:01:42
today’s joy,00:01:45
that for today’s webinar00:01:50
there is something who prepared the question and the00:01:54
question is really almost before the00:01:57
very meeting and literally an hour and a half00:02:01
before but nevertheless they have these questions00:02:04
questions that you should follow and what you00:02:08
read you think00:02:11
these you know are very cool00:02:13
respectively questions this is what can00:02:16
serve as material for our00:02:18
discussion in any case before that is,00:02:21
look at due to time constraints00:02:23
as I assume everything to stand on one00:02:26
side of the question does not naturally concern00:02:28
the text and individual places in this text00:02:31
which we, as I assume, will00:02:34
touch upon in this case, came to relate to00:02:37
places very significant ones that we are00:02:40
unlikely to bypass in principle, but nevertheless, if00:02:43
such a moment arises that we are00:02:45
faced with some kind of silence or00:02:48
pause, I00:02:50
will address this question, I will00:02:53
read it out and try to somehow00:02:56
comment with you, yes, that is, and the00:02:58
last thing I I will say this is what I have00:03:02
I will say in the introduction in this yes00:03:05
this is that you and I are meeting here00:03:09
in a format00:03:12
close to the seminar hare00:03:16
webinar,00:03:17
this means that you and I are meeting to00:03:21
actually talk about what we00:03:24
have read and the thoughts that00:03:29
came to us during reading time or after it,00:03:33
but this does not mean that we come here00:03:35
to serve,00:03:37
I warn you about this right away that this is not a00:03:40
lecture meeting, but this is precisely a00:03:44
seminar meeting where I am perhaps00:03:47
more acting as a00:03:49
moderator00:03:50
and not as a lecturer about what then00:03:53
he reports00:03:55
everything to someone, yes, that is, this introductory part was00:03:58
prefaced in some way until,00:04:00
accordingly, we can begin with you00:04:02
at the same time a dialogue and an00:04:05
acquaintance and the most important thing, that00:04:08
is, in general, a discussion of an extremely00:04:12
important text that Freud00:04:16
literally invents at the junction at the junction psychoanalysis00:04:19
and00:04:20
here and here we are faced with the00:04:23
birth of a new genre, yes, that is, this is a00:04:25
new genre that Freud invents and he00:04:29
even gives it to us, he talks about00:04:32
photography, yes, that is, photography, what is00:04:34
it in that column in general, yes, that is, what is this00:04:37
new genre this is not a history book,00:04:41
this is not a00:04:43
biographical essay about Leonardo da00:04:46
Vinci,00:04:47
this is something else,00:04:49
take here perhaps the space to say00:04:53
that very often when discussing this book,00:04:56
and generally speaking about it, often the00:05:00
grossest mistake is one of the most00:05:02
common when this text of Freud’s00:05:05
begins perceived not as a00:05:07
psychoanalytic text, but as a text on00:05:09
art history, or as a text on00:05:12
history, or as an attempt to make a00:05:14
biography that is no good,00:05:17
friends, that is, about all00:05:20
these possible moves, that is,00:05:23
widespread ones due to the fact that00:05:26
this is so it’s easier to act, ready to read00:05:30
something as something is already well known and00:05:33
add it, explains it to yourself00:05:36
through something already similar, and don’t delve into00:05:40
what the text should be read as exactly00:05:43
psychoanalytic, but this00:05:46
psychoanalytic salt from it is often00:05:48
simply removed, omitted from in sight of00:05:51
attention it is not at all I want to say the00:05:54
leaves are contained because00:05:56
the name itself00:05:57
if we just carefully read the00:05:59
title of this text literally before if00:06:02
you translate from German one childhood00:06:06
memory of Leonardo da Vinci in general00:06:10
Freud calls this text exactly00:06:14
this phrase that it is in First of all,00:06:17
about the central element of00:06:20
this entire text, this is a memory, that is,00:06:24
all this here can already be completed00:06:27
setting up in the community for reading, this is what we00:06:30
read, so the text is called 1 childhood00:06:33
memory, or fall all, that is, this00:06:35
means that the entire text is structured00:06:37
around this, these are purely memories00:06:41
psychoanalytic dimension before00:06:43
psychoanalysis is aimed at what to measure the00:06:46
subject on fantasies on desire on00:06:49
memories and so on, that is, you00:06:52
can forget everything about the biography about history about00:06:56
those sciences that are involved in this00:06:59
text Anna Freud is not a historian and a geographer,00:07:01
he is a psychoanalyst and that’s the point, yes00:07:05
there is no need to leave these rails this is a00:07:08
psychoanalytic text Freud00:07:10
offers us a psychoanalytic way of00:07:13
thinking00:07:15
okay an hour I take a short pause such an00:07:20
introduction to00:07:23
someone who maybe she has something to say00:07:26
maybe someone wants to share something with their00:07:29
impressions or some intriguing00:07:32
questions all of these texts and at the same time00:07:34
how we will already talk and00:07:36
get to know each other in pairs00:07:37
or regarding what I said I00:07:48
will recognize you before in fact I read this text for the00:07:52
first time ten years ago when I was00:07:56
studying at the university and it is curious that00:07:58
now I was re-reading with someone with fresh00:08:00
impressions a00:08:02
very interesting text he is like that, I must00:08:07
say that really when you00:08:08
read, if you read him as a00:08:10
biographical book, then he seems absurd;00:08:13
if you try to read a00:08:15
psychoanalytic text today, then he00:08:18
builds a completely clear00:08:20
logical scheme, and this is00:08:22
probably why he is valuable; this is such an00:08:25
attempt, it seems to me like00:08:27
Freud to touch sublimation in a00:08:30
certain sense. there’s no way00:08:31
to try it somehow,00:08:35
well, like here’s a specific case to00:08:38
try to illustrate this phenomenon,00:08:40
perhaps on the other00:08:43
side, what hooked me here is very00:08:47
cool, it clearly says00:08:49
that we no longer divide people into healthy00:08:52
and neurotic people, it’s just a scam and then00:08:55
yes, I thought in place, but very00:08:58
cool in fact, and00:09:02
there are also these interesting reflections, it’s00:09:05
time for different ways of neuroticization,00:09:09
he also describes in great detail and it’s very00:09:12
cool by the way how he approaches these00:09:14
notes about00:09:17
this, how much money went where00:09:22
for the actual obsessional neurosis,00:09:25
that is, on in fact, it will give quite a00:09:28
subtle impression on people and it is precisely in the light of00:09:30
just this memory that they00:09:32
center it and00:09:35
this picture is built around it,00:09:37
that is, how00:09:38
realistic it is, but I think even here there is no00:09:40
point in asking such a question, but00:09:43
realistically within the framework00:09:46
within the framework of this memory00:09:50
because if we take it inside, these00:09:52
materials that have reached him will pass through and in these00:09:54
materials this memory appears00:09:56
as almost the only one, in my opinion he00:09:58
writes and naturally for him it may00:10:01
not be significant to me, it’s like remnants of00:10:03
memories, just remnants of a dream until00:10:06
conditionally, that is, we cling to what the00:10:08
subject articulates in this case,00:10:12
in fact,00:10:15
he uses this memory as such a00:10:18
starting point and even how the00:10:24
overall impression is structured, vivid, yes now00:10:27
maybe I didn’t remember everything that caught my attention, but00:10:30
Sanda would be curious to hear other00:10:32
opinions, yours because your opinion00:10:34
because that the text, I would say, made me00:10:38
think and I’m still00:10:39
digesting thank you00:10:43
and thank you so much for you fattening up00:10:47
the comment from which we00:10:49
can take 10 or 12 already and just these in00:10:52
any direction just key moments00:10:55
women consistently so00:10:58
hit the full program to the point00:11:02
great capacious, I don’t even know, I don’t have time to00:11:05
just grab it, yes I’ve already given up00:11:07
grasping for how it’s going to go now, there were already three00:11:11
thoughts and your dear q&a is very00:11:15
cool,00:11:16
accordingly, really, yes, what00:11:19
you mean, I00:11:22
really have one more time about and00:11:26
emphasizes at the moment there00:11:29
is a question about a normal, not a00:11:33
normal, healthy patient, so00:11:37
within the framework of this position, yes, that very00:11:40
medical former psychiatric one00:11:43
refers to psychiatric00:11:44
research, which is usually00:11:46
guided by such clear00:11:49
coordinates,00:11:50
thus Freud really draws a00:11:53
distinction between psychoanalysis and those00:11:57
same medical former monks that00:11:59
this thought lies in a different field, that00:12:02
is, a different logic with different00:12:04
coordinates, that we are trying00:12:07
to look on the other side, yes, you are literally00:12:10
turning to his statements,00:12:13
we are trying to identify those laws that00:12:16
prevail on the other side of the normal,00:12:19
the abnormal, to prepare Freud00:12:21
really ceases to be a00:12:24
quality thinker and thoughts00:12:26
really quantitatively, yes, that is,00:12:30
quantitatively and in completely different00:12:33
categories, that is, normal,00:12:34
abnormal,00:12:35
brilliant, crazy, sick, no, it’s important,00:12:39
something else is important, what’s important is00:12:43
how the fates of the attraction of a00:12:46
particular subject develop, which become the00:12:50
main spring and restoration of his00:12:52
singular history, and what is this text about, but what is it00:12:55
about? this is about the formation of the subject, on the00:12:58
one hand, on the other hand,00:13:00
this text is indeed00:13:02
psychoanalytic, that is, to look here for00:13:05
some kind of00:13:09
objective logic of scientific discourse, there is some kind of00:13:13
factology that there is no factory, that00:13:17
is, we find ourselves in a different field, and that00:13:19
is, the polis of the subject and it’s00:13:21
clear that this is not a described00:13:25
clinical case in any way,00:13:27
but this is an attempt, that is, a Freudian00:13:31
psychoanalyst00:13:33
to try with a certain degree00:13:36
of probability, we remember00:13:38
the thinkers who pointed out already in the00:13:40
twentieth century that psychoanalysis is a00:13:43
probabilistic discipline, and if it is a00:13:45
science, then it is probable on a basis and00:13:47
probabilistic in what way sense that we are00:13:50
really faced here with the fact00:13:53
that we will never be00:13:55
able to ask anything from Leonardo da Vinci, just like00:13:59
many of his descendants witnesses, yes, that’s all00:14:03
that we can find, yes, here are00:14:06
some00:14:09
records, and so on, yes, that is, with this, your00:14:12
own comes call matter, and in this00:14:15
light, it is very important here,00:14:17
perhaps, to use one purely00:14:21
psychoanalytic concept with which Freud00:14:23
bordered more seriously and even write00:14:27
and devote an entire work to this very important00:14:31
concept of the concept and a very important00:14:34
clinical one to understand and make the00:14:36
constructions understand, that is, something that is so00:14:40
impossible in force the00:14:43
absence of this or that material00:14:46
to get to00:14:48
must be00:14:51
constructed or the river,00:14:54
that is, roughly speaking, why Freud00:14:56
pointed out that psychoanalysis is very00:15:00
close to archeology; moreover, he himself00:15:02
wanted to call psychoanalysis set00:15:04
archeology because this name is00:15:07
already taken that such a discipline already exists,00:15:09
but he has analogies with archeology from00:15:13
time to time in one00:15:15
text in another, and it’s clear that00:15:18
every analogy at some point00:15:20
reaches a dead end beyond the differences and so00:15:23
on, but00:15:25
there is a certain similarity in this00:15:29
text, perhaps, and you when taxes are very00:15:31
appropriate because Freud is like an00:15:34
archaeologist, yes, that is, who suddenly, with the00:15:37
help of brushes and other tools,00:15:41
digs up the remains, literally fragments, and00:15:46
points out nothing else has been preserved, there is00:15:50
nothing else and there is no writing about that yes00:15:54
no those who were present and would say that there00:15:56
was something to compare there is only this00:15:59
this is an assumption, since all that00:16:03
remains for us to do is to00:16:05
construct something from this, and then00:16:07
this probabilistic00:16:10
move appears before the invention of the design of logic,00:16:13
most likely relying on this, this00:16:17
thing was like this, but this should not be00:16:21
given00:16:22
as if yes this00:16:25
shade of scientific thought that they say here is a00:16:28
reference to the facts of the bereke check00:16:31
accordingly confirmation no more than00:16:34
that yes yes we are talking about the00:16:37
subject when we are in00:16:39
psychoanalytic pain we understand that the00:16:41
true subject it is revealed in00:16:43
fantasy and fiction yes this is exactly the00:16:46
thesis that in free generally invented everyone00:16:49
it exists in00:16:51
1897, I am already 13 years ago, he00:16:55
constitutes it and00:16:57
introduces the concept of psychic reality to00:17:00
which disciplines psychoanalysis is engaged in the00:17:03
question of what the 200 channels of the00:17:05
psychic reality of the subject are. the question00:17:08
of which subject is always singular,00:17:11
yes, in this case, Leonardo da Vinci,00:17:13
there is no second Leonardo, there00:17:16
will never be such a subject again,00:17:18
we will never find such a person who wants, we will never00:17:20
find similar mental life, yes, that00:17:23
is, here is all the material,00:17:25
accordingly, please tell me what00:17:28
Freud wants in this work, what is his00:17:31
desire, what doesn’t he write and why did he write this00:17:33
book this text one00:17:36
children’s studio for beginners as an idea00:17:43
by the way I heard about this it seems to me00:17:47
just like that from sitting thinking why he started00:17:50
writing the work00:17:51
of course on the one hand I think that00:17:55
this his great passion, in principle, for00:17:58
art and he can’t hold on to his00:18:01
great interest and curiosity00:18:03
on the other hand, what he does is00:18:08
essentially and constantly more than once00:18:10
apologizes and makes excuses more than usual,00:18:13
he takes well, that00:18:15
is, a conditionally dead person00:18:18
dead in quotes as as and drive zero00:18:22
into nova and he will try to make a living person out of him,00:18:26
make a subject out of him,00:18:28
and as if to00:18:31
illustrate with this00:18:34
example00:18:35
that well, that is, that geniuses are not just a00:18:39
mystery, but that is, that there are some00:18:42
logical grounds that all this is00:18:45
happening it’s not just that, for example,00:18:48
where did the research00:18:50
interest of Leonardo da Vinci come from, that is, he00:18:52
says that it is conditional there and from00:18:54
childhood when repression occurs and00:18:57
so on, intellectual activity is00:18:59
very cool, it is necessary to link artists00:19:02
with art, yes, that is, first00:19:04
research activity is00:19:05
art art for that is, they fade00:19:08
into the background and a00:19:10
picture of the subject is really built up;00:19:13
another question is that here,00:19:16
how to say00:19:18
Leonardo da Vinci, you will no longer help, but00:19:21
this may be interesting from the point of view,00:19:26
well, that is, it may be interesting for00:19:28
us because we can see in00:19:29
art, for example firstly,00:19:32
something else because you and I by chance,00:19:34
psychoanalysis penetrates which00:19:36
art and00:19:37
his way of looking at approximately these00:19:40
paintings is exactly the same way that he00:19:43
looks at the bottom of a dream, that is, he00:19:45
takes the elements of the picture and he looks not00:19:48
so much by themselves,00:19:50
well as if symbolism in itself, how much00:19:54
symbolism is the00:19:57
arrangement, the relative arrangement of00:19:59
the elements in the picture, plus not just the00:20:01
relative arrangement of the elements in the00:20:02
picture, but why did this person depict00:20:06
them in the picture, what does this have in his00:20:08
history is that I can say where00:20:11
this bird, this tail, and that come from00:20:13
yes, he refers us to this00:20:15
memory, all of this is conditional, as if00:20:18
speculative, it was not in a certain00:20:20
sense, it’s all00:20:22
taken from sources, he’s just00:20:25
building a logical picture of this,00:20:28
this is very interesting and but it seems to me that this is00:20:31
also a method, like for example the case of 500:20:35
famous cases, this is also a way00:20:37
to look at how00:20:39
psychoanalysis works in general and00:20:42
well, plus it’s interesting, of course, read00:20:45
sublimation because sublimation00:20:48
still has a lot of questions and it seems to me that00:20:49
Freud has a lot of questions about this00:20:51
phenomenon and here it seems to00:20:56
fully00:20:58
unfold and thoughts on this00:21:00
matter are the same It seems to me that this is his00:21:04
attempt to enter this area through00:21:07
Leonardo da Vinci,00:21:10
Anastasia, thank you again,00:21:13
accordingly, I really liked00:21:15
your statement about the fact that00:21:17
here we see or can see how00:21:21
psychoanalysis works, just as00:21:24
we can touch it when analyzing00:21:27
clinical cases and in this light,00:21:30
really, how psychoanalysis works,00:21:33
how the apparatus of psychoanalytic00:21:36
thought is structured, yes, that is, literally like this, and00:21:40
indeed Freud, of course, does not00:21:43
want to get excited either, and that is,00:21:46
accordingly, Freud is not not00:21:49
an art critic, he gave this important point, and00:21:52
that is, it is00:21:53
clear that he is addressing to00:21:56
works of art but like those00:21:59
works that were left by Leonardo00:22:02
da Vinci and in what context00:22:05
the context of repetitions which Freud's friend00:22:09
repetition is generally a psychoanalytic00:22:12
concept with what we deal with as a00:22:15
clinician as psychoanalysts with00:22:18
repetition yes, that is, something is suddenly00:22:21
repeated on a thing00:22:22
who is in one yes00:22:25
in one system of ideas about in00:22:28
another top 3 take away any repetition00:22:32
yes but also some other00:22:35
structure some kind of logic to00:22:38
some kind of organization00:22:39
accordingly then how to pay00:22:41
attention to a smile that is, a smile00:22:44
is imprinted I obsessively capture before00:22:47
Leonardo completely different characters in the00:22:51
picture, that is, literally a certain feature,00:22:54
literally a thread, a partial object,00:22:56
literally a certain partial element00:22:59
that suddenly repeats from picture to00:23:01
picture and it is clear that for Freud this is a00:23:04
question of what this smile means for us00:23:09
for Leonard's plan to repeat why00:23:12
a smile suddenly meets the subject from where,00:23:15
that is, he meets his00:23:17
own seemingly picture, that is, that00:23:20
suddenly the subject is haunted by00:23:23
why nothing comes back, that is, something00:23:26
that we don’t remember remembers us, here00:23:29
she is, psychoanalytic logic until a smile00:23:32
consciously forgotten honor yes yes does not00:23:35
prevent this smile from Leonardo remembering and00:23:38
remember the logic of obsessive repetition,00:23:43
but this moment is kind, tied to the00:23:47
concepts of construction to that essence, if00:23:50
only if you00:23:55
tell me what this text is about in one layer, it was not00:23:58
looking for this textual construction, that is,00:24:00
Freud here is really engaged in00:24:02
constructing the00:24:04
construction of the history of the subject00:24:06
based on a minimal set of that which00:24:10
can be used00:24:12
accordingly,00:24:15
what else did I want to say about00:24:18
what this text is also an article about,00:24:22
referring to your commentary, what00:24:25
this text is really about, that is, on the one00:24:27
hand,00:24:28
Freud doesn’t just take00:24:31
Leonardovich,00:24:34
that is, from a huge number of quite00:24:37
bright people, very from such but extraordinary,00:24:42
to put it mildly, about whom much more could have been00:24:44
known, he takes precisely Leonardo,00:24:47
it is clear that it is not without reason and here it is impossible00:24:51
to give one single comment00:24:54
what is the desire of fredag than he writes the text00:24:57
he immediately has many00:24:59
goals that he pursues and moreover00:25:05
moreover and then it is clear that00:25:08
identification from Leonardo da Vinci takes00:25:10
place, so I would like to say that in00:25:13
some sense Freud is interested in himself00:25:16
through Leonardo, it is clear that an00:25:20
art connoisseur has arrived, a00:25:22
collector of various objects of art, a00:25:26
lover of antiquities and, accordingly,00:25:28
Leonardo da Vinci is00:25:29
really00:25:31
very revered by their characters in history and00:25:36
accordingly, regarding Leonardo,00:25:41
what is the trait or maybe more than one, even00:25:45
what ideas do you have about what traits can we be00:25:48
talking about when we talk about the possible00:25:52
identification of freedos Leonardovich himself,00:25:54
his interest in understanding this figure, I00:25:58
ask you,00:26:00
hello, it jumped out at me quite strongly00:26:04
in the text, well and in general, in00:26:06
principle, Leonardo da Vinci is an extremely00:26:08
extraordinary figure and Freud himself is an extremely00:26:11
extraordinary figure, that is, this00:26:14
passion for research was far00:26:17
ahead of his time, this is the refusal of00:26:20
some practical00:26:23
applications of00:26:24
his works, well, that is, Freud also00:26:28
had a period when he, as it were, refused00:26:32
some kind of clinical00:26:36
therapy directly there from studies of00:26:40
nervous activity in00:26:42
order to go into the sphere, so to speak, of00:26:45
the study of terra incognita, which,00:26:48
in general, no one had done before, and it00:26:51
seems to me that00:26:53
through this global figure of00:26:56
Leonardo da Vinci, through this here his00:26:59
flight of thought, which was very much00:27:01
ahead of its time, the project tried00:27:04
to explain some, including its own00:27:06
internal processes, because he,00:27:09
in general, also00:27:14
had, so to speak, some difficulties in00:27:18
understanding his father initially, and00:27:23
he also had00:27:25
some great identification with his00:27:28
mother, it seems to me that there are attempts00:27:31
to explain how Leonardo da Vinci came to00:27:35
his unbridled flight00:27:40
of research, Freud00:27:43
also did it for himself, too,00:27:45
thank you very much, thank you for the comment,00:27:49
too, that is, there really isn’t a single feature, but there00:27:52
may be some way we are talking00:27:55
about codification of Leonardo00:27:57
Freud’s admiration with one On the other hand, there is indeed an00:28:00
attraction to the knowledge of shooting before00:28:04
this concept, which also occupies one00:28:07
of the central places in this text, Frith00:28:10
devotes it to understanding its development,00:28:13
but a significant fragment to the brother is an00:28:16
attraction to identification; moreover, yes, this is a00:28:20
continuation of what question and where does the00:28:23
cape come from? there is the whole00:28:27
psychoanalysis of the essence of the date of persons and the theory of the00:28:29
formation of the subject, but this is also00:28:33
the discipline of00:28:35
thought about the thought itself, what00:28:39
organizes, that is, thinking itself, the thought itself,00:28:43
where the thought comes to us from,00:28:46
this is a question that worried Freud even00:28:48
before the invention of psychoanalysis,00:28:50
respectively, for a couple everything00:28:52
was invented with patients and00:28:57
it’s clear that, by the way, in00:29:00
the questions that were sent to me, yes,00:29:03
there are tails from different00:29:07
people, and that is, a question about00:29:10
these points with a request to clarify00:29:14
these three possible fates of connection with00:29:18
thinking and sexuality of connection with the00:29:22
intellectual and sexual, and despite the fact00:29:24
that a00:29:25
very important point, psychoanalysis removes00:29:29
many positions, just as the norm is00:29:32
pathology, then the positions are removed; the00:29:36
opposition between the external and the internal00:29:38
is removed,00:29:41
respectively; in the same way, the00:29:43
opposition between the intellectual and00:29:45
sexual is removed, literally 1 is at00:29:48
some point a continuation of the other and00:29:50
on the contrary, yes, that is, it is00:29:53
very difficult to separate one from the other, and in this case,00:29:58
yes, we are faced with such another00:30:01
dialectical bit, and when Freud00:30:04
tries to comprehend00:30:07
in general, yes, that is, the logic or structure of the00:30:11
intellectual formation of the00:30:15
subject through the fate of his sexual00:30:20
drives, and the fact that drive is one thing from the00:30:23
fundamental00:30:24
concepts quietly us through which in general00:30:28
everything actually lined up what00:30:30
is the formation of the subjects of the organization00:30:32
judging by the reason everything yes that is how00:30:34
differently cleaning what Freud is doing in this00:30:37
text is trying to comprehend the fate of00:30:40
Leonardovich’s passion and comprehend00:30:43
based on what the alloy is based on00:30:46
that relying on00:30:49
fantasies, memories of some00:30:53
repetitions, and that is, at this point, Freud has an00:30:56
absolutely psychoanalytic position,00:30:59
pay attention to repetition, pay00:31:02
attention to some breakdowns and in speech,00:31:06
pay attention to what breakdowns and00:31:08
junctions of inhibition of00:31:12
repetition and00:31:14
one single00:31:16
fantasy of memories as he her calls00:31:19
by the way there are memories Fred00:31:21
calls with a hyphen fantasy00:31:23
memory a super important moment00:31:26
is being prepared what are we talking about yes when00:31:29
we approach the price of this work is it00:31:32
a memory or is it a fantasy of this00:31:33
both00:31:35
respectively this is a question of memory and00:31:38
accordingly00:31:41
returning to Freud and the figure of Leonardo00:31:43
really there is a moment of00:31:46
identification, it is clear that in00:31:49
the treatment of knowledge,00:31:51
Freud himself was haunted by the United States from very00:31:55
early years before in terms of the fact that00:31:57
he himself, of course, discovered it00:32:01
a long time ago and then the opportunity presented itself00:32:05
to try to comprehend00:32:07
such a subject as Leonardo da00:32:10
Vinci00:32:11
and who also had a00:32:14
very developed beginners' lack of knowledge;00:32:17
moreover, Freud's attempt to at least somehow00:32:22
try to begin to conceptualize00:32:25
sublimation, despite the fact that we really00:32:29
want to repeat ourselves after our00:32:32
colleagues from the belt, many for an octave;00:32:35
this moment reveals that harm does not have a00:32:38
developed theory of sublimation00:32:39
of any kind - or here is a clear full-fledged from and00:32:43
yes no yes that is, this field remains and00:32:47
vision as he will speak in the twenty-00:32:49
sixth year that is what is left for00:32:52
as an open system until for a possible00:32:55
return to this point of00:32:58
reflection rethinking the00:33:01
development of00:33:02
animation as a possible way of thinking yes but at the00:33:05
same time, there is something about sublimation00:33:10
as it is00:33:13
about another or one of the possible00:33:17
destinies,00:33:19
or as I would like to clarify, it is not easy to00:33:22
judge the00:33:25
trajectory in the lich to one of the possible00:33:29
trajectories that are completely special, as if00:33:32
speaking about sublimation,00:33:34
Freud00:33:36
emphasizes that00:33:39
this is a different trajectory according to in which00:33:42
attraction can begin00:33:44
to function in general and00:33:46
the trajectory seems to be not entirely comparable00:33:49
with two other possible00:33:52
trajectories in two possible paths00:33:56
I pause some comments now00:33:59
I ask for comments questions00:34:01
can you allow me for this small addition00:34:04
you said that if they00:34:08
asked you what this text was about and said they00:34:10
answered quickly about the design, including00:34:14
I would like to come on, what are you for me,00:34:16
for example, it was on the sperm bottoms00:34:18
because Freud shows how he, in exactly the same way00:34:22
as the Zant channel, using00:34:25
representation, rewrites his00:34:29
present and future, and in the same way,00:34:32
Freud uses representation,00:34:36
literally rewrites the understanding of00:34:39
Leonardo himself yes Vinci and future understanding, we are00:34:42
sitting now discussing a00:34:44
completely different context if everyone else,00:34:48
well, how are we, not that the context is completely00:34:51
different,00:34:53
using in hindsight these00:34:55
ideas we get the real one00:34:58
just like the picture and this is the00:34:59
question above the ground zman very clearly00:35:01
reveal the work and there, even by the way, if00:35:03
not Leonardo da Vinci himself, the fantasy00:35:05
says that after this moment I can00:35:07
always consider there that I have to paint a00:35:10
picture and it hurts, after recognizing00:35:13
his own, he reads himself here, can these00:35:17
moments be very important for the00:35:20
design itself and00:35:22
determinism, this is the work00:35:25
day and thank you thank you very much00:35:28
the comment is of course that is and then00:35:31
you can generally say this it is also00:35:33
a text00:35:34
about the measurement of memory in psychoanalysis00:35:38
including before since you have already said its00:35:40
mechanism after the action through which00:35:44
we comprehend the structure of the memory of the00:35:48
human subject and the00:35:50
position of the square determination or about the00:35:53
holy Perm, Vova did not dare to multiple00:35:55
causation like Freud and calls uber00:35:58
determined this word to overthrow00:36:01
termination and multiple causation,00:36:04
but it’s clear that we are00:36:08
constantly00:36:10
confronted, constantly speaking in general about the00:36:13
fabric of mental reality, that is, the00:36:17
spheres of determinism as a way of constructing the00:36:21
mental, that is, neither one mental00:36:24
phenomenon does not have00:36:26
one single linear cause, there are00:36:29
always many reasons and they seem to have a00:36:34
non-linear00:36:37
nature of organization,00:36:39
perhaps so, that is, it is also00:36:41
tonally timed,00:36:44
which is remarkably hidden00:36:47
when we carefully read how agility00:36:49
approaches just the same to the central00:36:51
element, that is, to that very one00:36:55
memory, despite the fact that here is one00:36:59
childhood memory you probably already00:37:01
know that00:37:03
this can offend the00:37:06
psychoanalytic ear when it comes to a00:37:08
childhood memory, this is literally00:37:11
the wording that sounds like we don’t have00:37:13
childhood memories but we have00:37:15
memories about yes, about00:37:19
what we consider to be our childhood00:37:21
memories, but we remember mine as if in00:37:25
hindsight and00:37:27
it is true that what we remember00:37:31
was not at all thick in reality,00:37:34
and00:37:35
yes, Freud thought about this in great detail, the00:37:37
psychopathology of everyday life00:37:39
to what memory is a00:37:42
dynamic thing,00:37:45
that is, it is not something static in the spirit of00:37:48
perception and memorization of accumulations, no,00:37:51
that the formation of the subject goes00:37:55
in parallel with the00:37:56
rewriting after the actions of his entire00:38:00
past, and any new random00:38:02
event that meets the subject with the00:38:05
present from the future is capable of00:38:08
rewriting,00:38:11
rethinking, reorganizing his00:38:14
past memories whether his memories00:38:16
about the past will be the most00:38:19
strict sounds like memories about00:38:21
childhood about the past, yes, that is, like this,00:38:24
accordingly, let us also address the question of00:38:28
what psychoanalysis deals only with00:38:29
the past, no, we cannot say that00:38:32
psychoanalysis deals only with the past00:38:34
because we have deal with one00:38:37
psychic surface in which all00:38:41
possible times are suddenly organized into a00:38:43
very complex formation and in this00:38:47
light, and by the way, speaking of what did Freud00:38:50
even pay attention to and at this point00:38:52
clearly a psychoanalyst why did he even pay00:38:55
attention to this fantasy you are00:38:57
not there Leonardo what00:39:02
what attracted his attention and00:39:05
why suddenly this is exactly what he says about the00:39:08
first ones, that it stands out from the00:39:11
general narrative, but it’s cool for me00:39:14
secondly, but the memory itself,00:39:18
its structure suggests that most00:39:20
likely these are covering memories and in00:39:23
fact you can find symbolism00:39:29
I wanted to add a little00:39:32
if turn to the full quote and00:39:36
look at all the memories that00:39:38
Leonardo da Vinci describes,00:39:41
he writes that Porsche is my destiny and only00:39:45
after that does the quote00:39:47
that Freud gives go further,00:39:49
that is, more significantly than this is00:39:51
said,00:39:54
thank you very much Natalya for the addition, that00:39:58
is, on the one hand, and here, by the00:40:00
way, a very important point and how00:40:03
meticulous Freud is and how00:40:06
attentive and strict he is to himself, he does not00:40:09
allow excesses, that is, he00:40:11
tries to maintain strictness in general,00:40:14
if that is, the support goes on what to call the00:40:16
subject, that is, their analysis in general,00:40:20
what are the support points of HIV the subject is what the00:40:22
subject says, not what he thinks, or00:40:24
the psychoanalyst can speculate, of course,00:40:27
that one can speculate, but also based00:40:31
on some strict grounds, and in this00:40:33
light, Freud here also shows me, it seems to me, a00:40:36
very striking example of00:40:38
analytical work, and that is, as if we are00:40:41
talking attempts to operate00:40:43
consistently on00:40:45
what was said by the subject on the fact that his00:40:48
friend was dropped somewhere, but00:40:50
accordingly, he really could not help but00:40:52
pay attention to what Leonardo himself00:40:54
says about00:40:56
doing korzh and, moreover, in what00:40:58
context it happens in his personal diary00:41:01
where Leonardo da and this It was noted by many that00:41:05
if you needed anything, you still didn’t write enough for yourself, and he00:41:08
wasn’t the kind of person who would be there to00:41:11
smear00:41:14
many pages of the pub, I’ll be of my feelings00:41:17
to the impression of nothing and other things before what00:41:20
Islam wrote, then00:41:23
his notes were very limited,00:41:26
laconic, concerned some business00:41:29
issues with which he was busy and00:41:32
this is even more for Freud to00:41:36
enhance the effect of what he could00:41:39
n’t resist here, what suddenly broke through to00:41:42
what suddenly00:41:45
invaded the entrance of conscious thinking00:41:48
subconsciously, that is, from some other00:41:52
scene, a friend at that moment00:41:55
literally explodes from what Leonardo da Vinci00:41:58
cannot refuse and is forced to00:42:00
write it down that yes, really00:42:03
thinking, yes, that is, they were not taught00:42:05
to think about the flight of kites, it is known00:42:08
that Leonardo was the inventor of sketches of00:42:11
flying machines, it is clear that00:42:13
this was a strictly scientific attempt at00:42:16
scientific work in general, and suddenly yes he is interrupted00:42:19
and write there, probably fate itself was00:42:22
destined to engage in the flight of a kite00:42:25
dos and systems that gives me no rest00:42:29
until the memory of that and then there is a00:42:33
literal description of how, as if I00:42:37
was still in the cradle, I00:42:41
saw how a kite flew in and many00:42:47
times its tail collided with my lips and00:42:51
moreover, the second moment on which00:42:55
to draw a small moment 1 the very00:42:58
suddenness of the surprise, yes, that is, for00:43:01
Leonardo Rst himself, suddenly he00:43:04
wrote it down nothing like this anywhere in the00:43:07
notes for me, fifty something important,00:43:09
probably something that is knocked out in general, that00:43:12
is, it breaks the homogeneous fabric and00:43:16
narrative up to, respectively, the second00:43:18
moment that worries Freud and what00:43:22
kind of countries are these memories,00:43:25
that is, in general, writing the very character of00:43:28
this scene itself, yes, it makes you think, and the00:43:32
third moment, why does he remember this at all, that00:43:34
is, what makes him00:43:38
remember in the first place is this very thing and00:43:41
express to others before interrupting from the00:43:45
main thoughts and00:43:47
what this might even be like,00:43:49
we remember and as if00:43:51
the scene is of a fantastic00:43:55
nature, I00:43:57
pause, someone asks for words in this00:44:01
vein, we probably can’t say that00:44:03
these are covering memories, and therefore that the00:44:05
covering memories usually00:44:07
seem insignificant, yes, it seems00:44:09
like an unimportant armor on this00:44:11
employee, this sculpture is a significant,00:44:14
very important subject. It’s not for nothing that da Vinci00:44:16
writes in such bright colors, in this00:44:20
regard, it seems to me that this is some kind of00:44:21
structure that00:44:24
allows him to recognize himself like00:44:26
some artist for some genius00:44:28
plebiscite his destiny through the00:44:33
education of00:44:35
fantasy, it seems to me that this is very important00:44:37
because in the same way of analysis,00:44:41
in analysis he builds a structure00:44:44
through which he then thinks to himself through an00:44:46
ax he me from himself and through00:44:50
which allows him00:44:53
to resolve his problems here, this00:44:55
sculpture,00:44:56
some signs00:45:01
of a shadow, thank you very much for this valuable00:45:03
comment, indeed, we are not00:45:06
just talking about some fragment of a covering00:45:10
memory that00:45:12
dropped out so discretely, we are really talking about something00:45:14
more fundamental, moreover, yes, that is,00:45:16
what we discovered on date and it became00:45:19
that Leonardo himself talks about this, that00:45:22
when he was literally in00:45:25
infancy, that is, for Freud, the immediate00:45:28
question is whether a baby can00:45:31
remember in principle, so that later00:45:34
snow and clarity will be reproduced,00:45:37
and so the question of his memory before which he00:45:40
discussed in quite some detail00:45:42
the psychopathology of everyday life that00:45:44
remember we start only from a certain00:45:46
moment, and the fact that yes, what happened before the00:45:51
moment when we began to remember ourselves does not00:45:55
mean that nothing happened, another00:45:57
thing is that all this experience will be00:46:00
retrospectively Perry organized rewritten00:46:03
in accordance with other impressions00:46:08
in In this light, why does he talk about00:46:10
fantasy00:46:11
that something like this could not have happened, but00:46:14
probably some of this still took00:46:18
place, it left its mark and was00:46:22
retroactively00:46:24
processed into a similar00:46:27
fantasy of memory, that is, we are00:46:30
really talking about what Lacan of00:46:33
scam would be called a phantasm in the dictionary, but00:46:36
when it comes to no00:46:38
fundamental matrix and not just about00:46:42
covering knowledge about something more00:46:45
fundamental because there is00:46:49
in this fantasy memories a00:46:51
minimal set of something important a00:46:54
minimal set in00:46:56
general relationships jeunesse than a question00:47:00
is even a verb do that is, a00:47:04
certain fundamental structure that00:47:07
can generally determine the entire00:47:10
mental reality of the subject, the ways of00:47:12
his future arrangement of relations with00:47:15
others, so that we are talking about two places00:47:16
about activity and passivity,00:47:20
respectively, a certain and00:47:22
subsequent element appears that, in general,00:47:25
bypasses00:47:27
the tail00:47:29
here, it is very appropriate before actually00:47:32
paying attention to what 200 so00:47:35
questions to the question arose that very00:47:38
often he reads the text for something he doesn’t pay00:47:41
attention to this petty read in detail00:47:43
in the Russian case something like what is00:47:48
Freud for electing Shchenev on many people say00:47:50
how is he I could, like,00:47:53
get stoned like this or go crazy,00:47:56
imagine the tail of a kite as the00:48:00
penis of a male sexual organ, yes, that00:48:03
is, how, how, yes, that is, in shape, which00:48:07
resembles friends, well, if everything00:48:10
were like that, then indeed00:48:12
we ourselves could pose the general00:48:15
question of00:48:16
how - so to Freud, yes, that is, a strict00:48:20
psychoanalytical design of my supports00:48:22
and the presence of subjects and suddenly such a00:48:25
generally insane savagery to accept the date by00:48:31
yes, that is, I am now talking about an00:48:33
imaginary interpretation, that is, an attempt to00:48:35
suddenly replace the first element with an00:48:37
imaginary one, take it from the head literally00:48:39
to the other a fantasy element without relying on00:48:42
any logic and lyrical constipation,00:48:44
but what is the subtlety here that I’m00:48:47
talking about now, who noticed it,00:48:49
please tell me why this interpretation is00:48:51
strict, I ask Anastasia who holds out00:48:55
her hand00:48:56
in Italian and in general these are synonyms00:48:59
and that is, the tail and the00:49:01
genitals sound the same, as we00:49:05
remember Leonardo da Vinci, the dance is00:49:08
his native language,00:49:09
and so the most key point, thank00:49:12
you very much, what is in parentheses00:49:14
if the text is in a normal translation, I saw it00:49:18
once, the translation is00:49:22
absolutely terrifying, the author is not even indicated00:49:24
just to some kind of machine, apparently it is00:49:27
published in paper form, do ours, I00:49:29
was horrified, I’m writing there, these words00:49:32
in Italian are not indicated at all, not a single footnote is missing,00:49:36
a nightmare, friends, even on the Internet there is a00:49:38
good translation, I just got it for myself00:49:41
[music]00:49:43
I found them, respectively,00:49:46
really Nastasya we are talking about about00:49:49
one single word that00:49:54
Leonardo writes down not by Freud, if you00:49:57
suddenly light something like this is a long tail,00:50:01
probably in shape, it reminds of00:50:03
nothing between the tail and the tribes, she has00:50:06
nothing in common at all, but no more00:50:10
than between and I don’t know the leg and the sofa00:50:12
there where and because of something, it is clear00:50:16
that there is no and we are really talking about the00:50:19
word tail, yes, this is the00:50:23
Italian word for code, and those who00:50:26
have studied or become acquainted with musical00:50:28
literacy, even at the most basic level,00:50:31
know that the word for code, yes, this means00:50:34
the end of00:50:35
the work for example code korzh it is00:50:39
literally the end in this case and Freud00:50:43
clarifies everything for us, what do you know in00:50:46
Italian the word end the word code00:50:50
it actually has a00:50:53
type of slang meaning before, as in00:50:57
many other languages,00:50:59
Freud's report in Italian including00:51:02
code has00:51:04
an end then00:51:06
in this language dermo tekke the meaning of the00:51:10
male genital organ00:51:12
friends in Russian this also takes00:51:15
place before the word end this is also00:51:19
slang often ladies then00:51:21
we also encounter that the end is00:51:26
really a word to designate the00:51:29
male genital organ00:51:32
accordingly again everything in the dimension of the00:51:34
word occurs the00:51:36
interpretation of pride starts from the word00:51:41
or how said fibers from the signifier, yes,00:51:43
that is, literally, formally, that00:51:45
is, from the fact that we see, not just that the00:51:47
ladies with them themselves, from the fact that they00:51:50
appear,00:51:51
that the code is what code is this, what is this00:51:55
tail by tail,00:51:56
this and the tail is one this and the end once the00:51:59
sea I ask you to I just really00:52:02
want to emphasize that it’s not only the00:52:03
word itself, it’s just this word,00:52:05
although it already indicates such a connection, but00:52:08
about this it very well reconstructs00:52:11
the context of the00:52:12
meaning of the kite itself, and what does00:52:16
the kite mean in specific yoga in a00:52:18
specific area and he points out00:52:20
here in different ways, now I do00:52:22
n’t remember just some specific00:52:25
references, but he directly shows something, for00:52:29
sure Leonardovich should have00:52:31
known these connotations in the body and00:52:33
these are the features, and00:52:35
in this sense we, as we understand, that00:52:37
you are not a kite it’s just a kite that it’s00:52:40
just, well, it’s like that in any case it00:52:41
involves a whole chain,00:52:44
that is, it is connected with other meanings and00:52:48
in this sense you can’t ignore them, and it00:52:50
seems to me that the colors in this are the essence of the00:52:54
psychoanalytic method, so it does00:52:56
n’t take on its own this tail, even00:52:59
conditionally, he takes its00:53:01
connections, connections, words, connections of these00:53:04
elements and builds them up as if from the00:53:07
side of this Sanka, like a ship, here it is, the00:53:10
absence of any depth in psychoanalysis,00:53:13
everything on the surface00:53:15
they fit together like a puzzle, and it seems to me00:53:19
that,00:53:20
well, just tear out purely words from00:53:23
it refers to different meanings, but00:53:25
again, where as when referring to the drill00:53:27
of the body, there00:53:30
are always several connections, several00:53:33
reasons00:53:36
before the ifrit in this sense conducts an00:53:39
investigation,00:53:41
which seems just likely we are talking about00:53:45
some really important fantasy00:53:47
that seems to take the place of a00:53:50
memory as if something was trying to be00:53:54
remembered at the feast, it was signed up, it was00:53:56
returned, but the form had already been rewritten,00:54:00
having received its place in the past, Leonard of the00:54:05
other side, that is, he is trying to00:54:08
understand what the basis may00:54:10
lie in general, also with a certain00:54:12
degree of probability, if we are talking about the00:54:15
infancy period from you00:54:16
therefore, both oral zones about00:54:20
which in this case Leonardo speaks of00:54:22
calculations to the mother that he collided many times,00:54:25
that is, a passive position of the baby in00:54:29
the cradle, an00:54:30
active figure, most likely it should00:54:33
have been the mother who could00:54:38
kiss the child many times but at the same time00:54:41
she had what00:54:43
she had was what she00:54:48
actively influenced the baby like00:54:52
any mother in relation to the baby,00:54:55
I even said that it was before the00:54:57
baby that’s who in relation to x00:55:01
with the breast before, that is, accordingly, the00:55:07
breast00:55:09
was somehow overwritten on the move by the00:55:13
mother replaced by a bird that is like a00:55:18
kite, but here Anastasia would like to00:55:22
make one note about Freud, but the00:55:24
critics attacked the delivery in00:55:27
this text, yes, they instilled in him the arguments00:55:30
that he in general, well, so that everything is a complete failure,00:55:34
he told us that you were mistaken there, no cake00:55:38
than yours there was an incorrect translation and you00:55:40
made a mistake there is not a vulture vulture and00:55:43
therefore all your interpretations00:55:45
went to hell Freud flexed his hands00:55:48
but did not complain much, he really liked00:55:51
the text which was rare cases before Freud00:55:54
liked what he himself and this was00:55:57
one of those rare ones he liked00:55:59
despite the critics,00:56:00
but it’s important to us that it’s not what we like, we don’t00:56:04
like,00:56:05
even if the cake is replaced with a vulture, there00:56:09
still remains the code of what was from00:56:13
Leonardo, and those probabilistic00:56:16
interpretations through Egypt of the goddess Mut the00:56:20
figure of the kite can really00:56:22
move aside and not have the00:56:25
importance that could have been the case00:56:28
if not for ours, but the key00:56:30
minimal element is preserved until the00:56:33
code as it was, it does not00:56:36
disappear anywhere, accordingly, the central one00:56:38
through interpretation is preserved00:56:41
regarding that very fantasy of appeal00:56:45
further develops this idea, the00:56:48
basis of which lies absolutely00:56:51
innocent, as he writes, to an innocent00:56:54
impression that is familiar to any00:56:56
infant, then in these relations with an00:57:00
active political figure, the only00:57:04
meaning of the stripe in this period is played by the00:57:06
mother’s breast as that protrusion that the00:57:09
mother’s other has, and in this00:57:12
case, yes, there is another line here, that00:57:16
is, Freud and that the fate of attraction is Freud00:57:18
and that memory, moreover, and is very concerned about the00:57:23
topic of homosexuality in psychoanalysis, he is00:57:26
trying to conceptualize it who00:57:28
is a homosexual subject who in00:57:31
psychoanalysis we can call00:57:33
homosexual subjects and it00:57:35
coincides with this and, as it turns out,00:57:38
absolutely does not coincide with those who are00:57:41
called homosexuals, let’s say with from an00:57:44
external point of view that everything to the00:57:46
analytical point of view of00:57:48
this coincidence is not found, and that00:57:51
is,00:57:53
in this light, you want food to also point out00:57:56
that Freud is also concerned about my own00:57:59
sexuality, which00:58:01
he undertakes to rethink in connection with a00:58:03
very significant character for him00:58:06
who was his life but the breakup began a00:58:09
long time ago, this is Wilhelm, please,00:58:12
because we are talking about ideal00:58:14
homosexuality, which goes00:58:17
beyond the limits, that is, technical categories like the00:58:20
sexual act of sexual intercourse,00:58:23
this is exactly what00:58:25
brings together freebies Leonardo, that he could not00:58:28
literally enter into a kite with those or00:58:31
other00:58:33
people, but this00:58:36
nevertheless and still00:58:40
leaves a reliable basis for00:58:43
considering Leonardo a homosexual00:58:45
subject from a00:58:47
psychoanalytic point of view, although the00:58:49
greedy project refers to00:58:52
sources, that is, those who assumed00:58:55
that Leonardo da Vinci was a00:58:57
homosexual, and despite the fact that this is not the00:59:00
case oh well,00:59:04
yes, I already said that, I pause until I make00:59:07
some comments, I ask00:59:19
Freud, there is a wonderful connection00:59:22
homosexual libido00:59:24
narcissism sublimation in this triad00:59:28
before in this in this00:59:30
triple system of his thinking00:59:33
lies in 1910 because he is literally about to00:59:37
write a00:59:40
work dedicated to the case schreiber and00:59:43
where he continues to be concerned about00:59:45
sexuality and,00:59:47
accordingly, in00:59:49
1914, literally, this will be00:59:52
one of his fundamental00:59:54
metrological works for an introduction to00:59:56
narcissism, and that is, he will come to this01:00:00
topic, we, according to Leonardo,01:00:03
can say this is the preliminary stage01:00:05
when his worries about all these topics, of01:00:08
course, that the connection with one’s own01:00:11
treatment to knowledge, the connection with introspection, the01:00:14
connection with the understanding of one’s relationships with01:00:16
others, including one’s own01:00:19
homosexuality, homosexuality is a01:00:22
relationship with oneself, in the first place, the01:00:26
narcissistic logic of the structure,01:00:28
respectively, in this regard, from the01:00:31
psychoanalytic point of view of the United States you don’t01:00:33
have to sleep with someone, give it away and01:00:36
get caught in order to be01:00:39
homosexual, and in the clinic, by the way, this is01:00:42
manifested only in this way,01:00:44
for example, a man comes and01:00:46
tells something about his relationship with his01:00:49
wife or girlfriend, and suddenly01:00:52
it turns out that yes, exactly what in01:00:55
the story It is precisely in those inconsistencies01:00:57
that led him that his friend01:00:59
gets along that in that female position01:01:02
he finds himself in that position, the entire male01:01:05
position is outlined by shadows to01:01:08
symbolic marks that are inherent in a01:01:10
man but01:01:12
they are performed by his wife, that is, her01:01:16
in this regard, yes or or wait before01:01:19
the subjects talks about how the01:01:21
females fell in love females01:01:24
met when he encountered the01:01:27
loving eyes of a woman, that is,01:01:31
what is here and that is, from an external point01:01:33
of view, I don’t know how I would say that but01:01:35
this is a heterosexual couple, friends01:01:37
from the inside, in a completely different way the subject01:01:40
talks about homosexual choice01:01:42
that as soon as he meets with01:01:44
loving eyes, then these loving01:01:48
eyes01:01:49
ask who he falls in love with,01:01:53
whether he meets himself with the loving gaze of01:01:55
another, that only this trait pursues01:01:59
from relationship to relationship dan is01:02:01
their anticipatory mark of their anticipatory01:02:04
beginnings, that the subject needs the01:02:07
subject to love oneself through the eyes of01:02:11
another, the other is needed insofar as01:02:12
yes, but the fact that it will be precisely01:02:15
homosexual, the logic of the organization and01:02:19
involvement, among other things,01:02:21
this becomes clear only in speech01:02:25
and in such subtle details,01:02:28
respectively, and also has something to do with01:02:30
Leonardo, he that I don’t know the date and it’s all01:02:34
clear that Leonardo da Vinci is01:02:35
not at all Daniel half-schreiber, it’s01:02:38
not Freud who knows very well about this and01:02:41
that one would never understand about him to think01:02:44
that he had some kind of feminine or01:02:46
feminine traits, but that is, on the contrary, he01:02:49
was physically tall, courageous and01:02:53
from an external point of view, this is just the same,01:02:56
well, in general,01:02:58
absolutely, that is, in a male guise, the01:03:02
subject is at the same time we are talking about01:03:04
homosexuality to some special01:03:07
order, also connected with sublimation,01:03:10
please pause,01:03:16
rather, not even just traces yes Vinci01:03:19
connections with divorce to another01:03:22
sexuality and about psychosis01:03:26
I thought that is it even01:03:29
possible or is it justified? Are you speaking01:03:33
in a psychotic structure01:03:36
in principle only possible for someone who has a01:03:39
sexual relationship as such in the01:03:42
sense of01:03:43
going beyond the01:03:45
brand’s imaginary limit, that is, is01:03:48
it possible? Here’s how the01:03:51
mirror relationships affected essentially, but this is01:03:54
imitation01:03:55
and isn’t this the only thing that is available01:03:57
to a psychotic or or this is too rude,01:04:00
well, I’m just trying to understand and how else01:04:02
could this be essentially a01:04:04
psychotic subject in a certain sense01:04:08
and you can’t decide, he even in principle01:04:10
rejects the question of gender and01:04:13
there there are no men and women in the psychic01:04:17
sense and it is always a relationship with01:04:20
oneself in the final analysis,01:04:23
a thought came to Anastasia’s head, they01:04:27
touched on a complex topic that01:04:29
suggests a digression on the topic of01:04:32
psychosis and rather to the case of schreiber01:04:34
and01:04:35
Leonardo’s conversation01:04:38
indirectly01:04:40
another conversation complex duty now01:04:43
the conversation will already be about psychosis, yes, that01:04:48
same mirror logic,01:04:50
after all, in the case of Leonardo, we are talking about a01:04:54
different kind of structure.01:04:56
Soon, of course, simple logic is not if01:05:01
someone was told homosexuality, then psychosis,01:05:03
but rather the other way around, if psychosis, then01:05:05
inevitably01:05:06
homosexuality in the sense in which it is01:05:09
now voiced, yes,01:05:12
that is, in general the concept of narcissism and01:05:16
homosexuality, this is the whole01:05:17
complexity of psychoanalysis and what we are talking01:05:21
about homosexuality in the river of narcissism,01:05:25
every subject is gamma sexual at its01:05:27
core, all sorts of us, well, for example,01:05:31
goes through the mirror stage, this is the phase01:05:35
in which we01:05:36
meet and appropriate our own01:05:39
image which we load with swan flax yes01:05:41
he artisy rowan otherwise01:05:44
becoming will not happen my seduced by01:05:48
ourselves before in our own image before01:05:52
and it is in this that appropriation and in this01:05:56
alienation01:05:59
we can come and about homosexuality we are01:06:04
talking of course in this01:06:07
including that is not necessarily a01:06:11
handsome man of choice object to take away oblige01:06:16
not that is look at homosexuality01:06:18
and the team are not identical because01:06:21
sexual orientation in scientific01:06:24
discourse is simply sexopathologists, sociologists01:06:28
and so on until time in scientific discourse does not01:06:30
coincide with many discrepancies, that is,01:06:33
mental sex, symbol,01:06:36
symbolic position and01:06:39
body,01:06:41
three different dimensions through which we are01:06:43
conceptualized in psychoanalysis, that is,01:06:46
biological sex which will also01:06:48
somehow follow,01:06:50
accordingly, the image of oneself, imagination,01:06:52
gender and, accordingly, the position in01:06:55
relation to this position in the culture of01:06:58
men and women, that is,01:07:01
gender, including yes, that is, three times01:07:05
Kashin dimensions that can go in01:07:07
parallel do not coincide enter into01:07:09
conflict do not coincide and not to enter into01:07:11
conflict, why do we see, but in01:07:14
today’s culture, an extraordinary01:07:15
development of diversity that did not exist, for01:07:19
example, forty years ago, and now it is01:07:22
already becoming almost mainstream, at01:07:25
least in European culture. I’m01:07:28
not the majority of the conservative ones,01:07:30
although they also understood it restlessly,01:07:39
if I understood correctly, it turns out that01:07:42
homosexuality up to01:07:44
2 speaks is built in the likeness of oneself,01:07:48
then01:07:51
it turns out that Freud01:07:53
chooses Leonardo, among other reasons, because they are01:07:57
similar to themselves, and if I understood correctly,01:07:59
and in such pincers it turns out that01:08:03
this is evil my nodal signifier to the01:08:06
phallus of you alone it turns out as a01:08:10
crossing signifier of the Freudian structures01:08:13
that build and Leonardo da Vinci,01:08:15
well, like a01:08:17
representation from the ra of the structure to its own, it01:08:21
connects with the structure of Leonardo da01:08:23
Vinci which also thinks in a01:08:25
certain way, but with them both01:08:27
have this meaning of chaos and are able to01:08:31
pass through even the structure itself, one01:08:34
describes on oneself and 2 to prescribe to a friend a01:08:37
very interesting moment,01:08:39
it will become very complex, we produced it, I did01:08:44
n’t even do it for everyone, but that is, I digested it very01:08:48
complex, they said something to me in childhood, what the01:08:51
speech wants to tell me here we are talking about you01:08:53
again about another very important01:08:57
psychoanalytic concept and01:08:59
detailing the subject to what we are talking about the01:09:03
fate of drives and also about the formation of01:09:06
subjects about this case leonardo da01:09:09
by how these destinies will turn out and01:09:14
what place the subject will take at the end of the01:09:18
logical ending of the Oedipal01:09:21
complex in this case, yes, this01:09:24
fantasy of memories for everything, this01:09:26
global fundamental character, it01:09:29
seems to convey something to the shoes of the01:09:31
details of Leonardo da Vinci himself.01:09:41
the way he01:09:45
became and that is, with01:09:48
those very features and so on yes yes01:09:52
we are talking about an attempt to identify the very position of the01:09:54
subject, he relies on what was01:09:56
known that he chose for himself young,01:09:59
beautiful young men, boys before whom he01:10:02
surrounded himself as students with01:10:04
whom he had patronage and to whom01:10:08
I provided quite such tender01:10:11
care, which in general knew no barriers, and that01:10:15
is, in this light, that is, Freud01:10:18
points to this order of places,01:10:21
that through this fantasy, through the logic of01:10:26
passage and like yes, we are talking about the01:10:29
fact that most likely Leonardo01:10:32
identified with the01:10:34
place of that figure who once01:10:38
provided care and love for himself,01:10:43
then here we are faced with01:10:46
just the same, one can say from fantasy,01:10:50
including yes, that is, we are talking about the places01:10:52
that the subject is able to occupy in01:10:54
relationships and a01:10:57
very important point Leonardo does not01:11:01
become his mother and he does not01:11:04
identify with her, but he01:11:06
identifies with the place that01:11:08
the mother occupied in relation to him,01:11:12
you understand this is a subtle difference01:11:14
when it comes to01:11:16
identification, he is identification from place01:11:19
to that is, identification with the image,01:11:22
identification with place is 2 different01:11:24
identifications01:11:26
then there are, roughly speaking,01:11:28
identifications, but by the way, we passed the01:11:31
ram again, I remember we are talking about what01:11:33
when a schreiber literally harms and01:11:35
dreams that his body is becoming01:11:37
female, that he literally feels his01:11:40
female breasts, female genitals,01:11:44
female pleasure,01:11:46
we are talking about a completely01:11:49
different order acacias, yes, there is01:11:52
already such a psychotic character, the01:11:55
body itself is already turning into a female Leonardo01:11:59
that he dressed like a woman, that is, an01:12:01
imaginary defect, we see a woman from the01:12:04
mother, too, we cannot say, but it was01:12:08
precisely the place of the maternal other that he01:12:12
took to prepare the identification occurred01:12:15
precisely with the place from which Leonardo01:12:19
began to direct his libido to those01:12:22
objects that were chosen by him in the01:12:26
homosexual register, that is, in the01:12:29
image and likeness of01:12:31
himself as his mother loved him,01:12:33
you understand, yes, this complex01:12:36
organization, and that is, that the model01:12:39
remained the same, and the place of the subject in this01:12:43
model can be occupied by dependencies from the01:12:46
history of dependence on destinies, treatment by01:12:48
different01:12:51
yes yes yes Anastasi of course,01:12:55
regarding this particular identification scheme,01:13:01
little Hans periodically pops up,01:13:05
you can say that he was01:13:07
identified also from the place of his mother,01:13:10
because he says that01:13:13
he will be first, that he will01:13:16
have children. when he wants and01:13:19
plus there were a few more moments01:13:22
when he says01:13:24
that you take care of children like a mother01:13:27
takes care of him, well, after all,01:13:29
this certain intensification is connected01:13:32
with the mother, well, we can say that this is an01:13:34
indication of the place,01:13:37
rather in this case, you are01:13:39
talking about the articles we are talking about the god of fiction by line,01:13:43
yes, I remember the work of mass01:13:47
psychology, analysis of the human self, 2101:13:49
years old, where Freud talks about three types of01:13:52
identification, yes, that is, that the face g01:13:55
defecation of discord cannot be three01:13:57
types, at least to take it in this01:14:01
light, yes, what are you now, as an01:14:03
example about the messengers, just indicate in aber01:14:05
when little Hans says this when01:14:07
God is 5 years old and, accordingly, we do not01:14:12
assume his future fate at01:14:15
this point, and Freud wrote about these01:14:18
traits that are borrowed either from his01:14:21
sister, or from a friend, or from his father, or from his mother01:14:23
and grandparents and so on, yes, this is01:14:27
exactly what we are talking about and defecation01:14:30
relating to the assembly of one’s own self, that is,01:14:32
the assembly of the subject, and when I borrow from01:14:35
each one some feature and and defecation01:14:39
with the place of another is more global in01:14:42
nature, it is like01:14:44
fateful drains from the point of view of logic, already the01:14:47
Oedipus complex of little Hans,01:14:49
in this case we were talking about a different situation,01:14:53
they were talking about the fact that first we are talking about the01:14:57
actual subject you are in the markets, that he is a01:15:04
rivalry with his father, he still has01:15:07
the completion of the story,01:15:09
Lacan will emphasize until later01:15:12
that this is the key question and which01:15:15
allowed would allow him to take a place01:15:18
in general to resolve everything the key question does not01:15:21
find an answer Afghans yes he does not have his01:15:24
own father on01:15:25
his mother and he himself is even ready no his01:15:29
own mother nothing fateful01:15:33
happens until it allows the subject to01:15:35
really enter into the law of castration01:15:38
so on in this case yes he remains01:15:41
in such a rival imaginary01:15:43
relationship with his father, but with his father, yes, that is, there is a01:15:46
rival there, still no, I can’t01:15:50
say that they are 4 bowel movements never01:15:53
there, in this case we are talking about the line01:15:55
through which the01:15:58
other side is indicated in01:16:01
Leonardo we are talking about01:16:03
more global defecation, yes, that is,01:16:06
which allows the subject to become subjects in general, to01:16:09
answer literally the01:16:12
key questions: who am I, a man or a01:16:14
woman, who do I love from what place,01:16:18
yes, that is, how exactly do I love another and01:16:22
in the light of this construction, until01:16:26
this mechanism is revealed, which you need to01:16:28
go through unfolds what an interesting01:16:30
explanation one of yes, that is, which01:16:33
cannot be extrapolated to all01:16:35
subjects, including homosexuals01:16:39
no this is completely different stories01:16:41
datawiz but in the case of Leonardo yes Freud01:16:45
will be this is no more likely than01:16:47
that Leonardo identified with the01:16:50
place of the maternal other from which01:16:53
chose objects similar to my01:16:56
past self, who I was for01:16:59
my mother’s other, roughly speaking, I’m01:17:01
interested in the place that my01:17:04
mother once occupied for me, from whom I love those01:17:08
similar to who I was for my01:17:12
mother, this is the logic that01:17:14
is called homosexual because01:17:18
it’s about about01:17:19
what about why homosexual is01:17:26
that I love myself through the eyes of another01:17:30
precisely in psychoanalytic locked and this is01:17:33
how you love yourself through the eyes of another the formula of a01:17:37
homosexual subject or the01:17:39
homosexual position of the subject we are talking01:17:41
about the position of course and it’s clear01:17:44
that Freud writes there and the rim of defecation01:17:46
along the line, which is01:17:48
understandable it’s a matter of rivalry with01:17:51
his father, crucian carp, passion for beautiful clothes,01:17:55
some attribute that I most01:17:59
likely had with my father and which01:18:01
I discovered01:18:03
when I was growing up, in general, in his01:18:06
family, and so on and so on, it’s not01:18:08
clear that this also took place but01:18:13
one does not cancel the other I pause01:18:17
some comments questions ask01:18:24
a question I also wanted to clarify this point01:18:29
the idea that fries were01:18:33
her signs we are sexy and Leonardo da01:18:37
Vinci it turns out in this work it is very01:18:39
interesting that we have two01:18:41
interpretations but interpretation Freud's01:18:43
author's interpretation of the eternal reward for oneself01:18:45
can be conditionally said and they are similar to each other01:18:48
they are connected as I01:18:52
said before this meaning stripes you01:18:55
are talking about the position and these two01:18:59
interpretations well, somehow it may01:19:02
be too loud to say that Freud01:19:05
liked this one structure only01:19:07
because he recognized his structure in it01:19:09
and it was not for nothing that he said that he didn’t really like that text01:19:11
very much, that is, he sees01:19:14
his position in it, I just assume01:19:18
this after an interesting thought interesting01:19:21
thought the similarity of these two interpretations01:19:24
why this particular interpretation aroused01:19:26
Freud’s interest and why Freud so much01:19:30
why did you like your text interesting01:19:35
gloss I can’t fully answer your01:19:38
question but I would like to make a reservation that I01:19:41
don’t see an analogy between Freud and01:19:45
Leonardo exactly at the point that is now being discussed01:19:49
3 something that is, any bowel movements from the01:19:52
place of the maternal other then that01:19:54
Freud, again, reading his diaries, his01:19:57
biography in quite detail, a completely01:19:59
different story awaits us identification with his01:20:01
father's place in and in this light,01:20:04
but completely different, yes, the logic of01:20:07
formation and passage to go somewhere to01:20:10
lead March in which he was01:20:13
madly in love chose for himself in his wife,01:20:18
perhaps, but in a completely different way, he does not01:20:21
choose the01:20:22
object of love in the image of himself, yes, that01:20:26
is, we are talking about a male01:20:29
position after all, his male place which he01:20:31
relates to a woman01:20:33
but not in a dream to correlate, yes, that is, in the case01:20:37
of Leonardo, he was, in principle, worried the topic is01:20:40
precisely in a clinical sense, that the code and01:20:44
sketches and only a postscript, like01:20:46
the text, when he encounters01:20:48
homosexual subjects with01:20:50
homosexual women, that is, at the01:20:51
same time he is trying to01:20:53
comprehend this topic until the tourist completely01:20:57
discarding these arguments in favor of the01:20:59
innate the nature of homosexuality,01:21:01
some kind of white, some kind of biological, given a predetermined basis01:21:03
based on the01:21:06
psychoanalytic conceptual apparatus on the01:21:09
psychoanalytic position and the fact01:21:11
that the subject is born pure from the point of view of01:21:14
his mental representation of01:21:17
mental reality, that the very01:21:21
method of choosing an object of love and the way it01:21:23
goes through is very difficult organization is a very01:21:25
complex history and that these histories are not01:21:28
identical to each other and that the01:21:29
organization of the organization01:21:31
can be created in completely their own01:21:34
ways by the force of various random events of01:21:37
these circumstances of which the subject01:21:39
turns out to be perhaps then, that01:21:42
is, although at the same time01:21:45
Freud will be busy comprehending his01:21:48
own ideal homosexuality01:21:50
is ideal in what sense from the point of view of the01:21:53
phenomenon of falling in love and the obsession with01:21:55
narcissism of everything that01:21:59
connected x Wilhelm fleece when they,01:22:02
being fascinated by each other, did not01:22:05
recognize the fact that they were actually fascinated by01:22:08
themselves through another01:22:11
for which they did not distinguish themselves from each other01:22:15
friend and01:22:17
it is clear that this experience was and01:22:23
he could not help but comprehend the future as a01:22:27
psychoanalyst, but the point, of01:22:29
course, is that he occupies the same01:22:31
position as Leonardo during the day at this01:22:33
point they are completely different subjects01:22:37
in terms of the desire for knowledge, the fire01:22:41
began that the attraction to knowledge and fate01:22:45
is the involvement of why one subject,01:22:48
the reason for knowledge, is written on the face somehow01:22:51
expressed in another subject, in fact, to01:22:54
take it in the treatment of knowledge, in principle, it is not01:22:56
necessary to speak absolutely and01:22:58
inhibition and blindness and the movement of thought01:23:02
of curiosity and so on,01:23:04
accordingly, what is the basis for this to sum01:23:06
everything up, Freud points out that01:23:09
every desire for knowledge comes from01:23:12
some kind of firstly sexual and secondly01:23:14
infantile interests and sources, that01:23:18
we are talking about the point and01:23:20
detail of the subject, that is, the Oedipus01:23:23
complex in which, well, literally we are01:23:27
talking about the appearance of a speaking subject01:23:30
to a young speaking creature who01:23:32
enters the tongue who enter the tongue01:23:36
at the same time as discovering himself,01:23:40
discovering those very key01:23:43
questions that he brings down on01:23:45
adults, trying to understand why the sky01:23:48
is blue, why the trees sway, why01:23:51
the spoon is sold down, and so on and so forth01:23:54
free indicates that everything these questions01:23:57
are derivatives of some01:24:00
fundamental question that worries the01:24:02
subject, yes, this is the question of where in the world it01:24:05
wasn’t before me, and here I01:24:07
saw the speaker raises the question about his01:24:09
own origin,01:24:11
the question about his own origin,01:24:14
which is connected with the question about the01:24:16
origin of children in general, and01:24:20
that and the other has to do with the01:24:24
sexual, hence the question, what01:24:26
happens between parents, why01:24:29
are parents parents, and what does01:24:31
parenthood mean,01:24:34
birth, and01:24:36
it is on this plane that Freud would01:24:38
place what he would call01:24:40
infantile sexual theories, yes, that01:24:43
is,01:24:45
theories, that is, these are really01:24:48
speculative constructions that a01:24:51
smart kid tries01:24:54
construct as theories01:24:57
assumptions about the appearance01:25:00
based on the material that he01:25:03
has, that is, what material the01:25:06
young court has, what01:25:09
adults told him, and, as a rule, the date01:25:13
that Freud indicates is that01:25:16
in response to some absurdity of storks01:25:19
being in cabbage and other nonsense01:25:22
the child is initially struck by complete01:25:24
distrust01:25:26
distrust it is clear that the young subject01:25:28
feels that the parents or photoelena the01:25:30
adult that he is being deceived and that something is not01:25:34
something real suggests that01:25:36
something is not something that should not have been believed in the01:25:40
question that the experience of one’s own infantile01:25:43
sexualization erogenous zone, some01:25:45
zones of the body before correlation with the body01:25:48
of an adult, yes, that is, what will be01:25:52
related to the open space closed to him,01:25:55
to what will be01:25:57
related to the construction of the first scene,01:25:59
including yes, here is the question of what01:26:02
happens between parents, to why01:26:05
yours what does the father have to do with his mother,01:26:09
who is Titz, and so on, everything that,01:26:11
by the way, worried little Hans, such as the01:26:13
desire for knowledge,01:26:16
curiosity, sexual sources,01:26:19
this is the series01:26:21
through which Freud tries to comprehend the01:26:24
fate of attraction and, in particular,01:26:27
focuses on 1 this is sublimation01:26:30
and01:26:31
again, additional questions of your question that01:26:34
were sent to me in connection with the question of the01:26:37
fate of drives that faith is trying01:26:40
to comprehend a01:26:42
very important point, yes, there was one of01:26:44
the questions,01:26:45
what can be said about sublimation in general,01:26:48
what can be clarified whether01:26:50
masturbation is sublimation and there was such a01:26:54
question in the soul and what we are in general we understand by01:26:57
sublimation, friends, a very important point01:26:59
that01:27:01
we should keep in mind when01:27:04
we talk about sublimation, Freud01:27:06
contrasts sublimation with embossing,01:27:09
that is, he writes that in sublimation01:27:11
no repressive force is required,01:27:14
sublimation is a way of organizing01:27:17
sexual desire in which it is not01:27:20
restrained by no means does it suddenly01:27:23
reach the01:27:25
trajectory of satisfaction after01:27:28
a few pages, and yes, that is, it is as01:27:30
if it is sexualized or sublimated01:27:34
in this light, there is01:27:39
no need to talk about animation masturbation at all, that this is01:27:41
not at all that is, masturbation01:27:44
cannot in any way be called01:27:45
sublimation, just like it is often01:27:49
psychologists really like to simplify, citing as an01:27:52
example there I don’t know what film Sofrino01:27:55
Celentano The Taming of the Shrew share01:27:57
of the bits is01:27:58
suffering from the fact that he is holding back and01:28:03
still won’t have sex runs to01:28:06
chop wood the type from sublimates01:28:08
friends has nothing to do with sublimation01:28:11
for one simple reason01:28:13
confusion arises between the mechanism of01:28:16
displacement and the mechanism of sublimation, they are01:28:19
different, that is, when we talk about01:28:21
displacement we are not talking about sublimation, not01:28:24
as we are talking about displacement from one01:28:26
object to another, we01:28:27
are talking about an attempt to01:28:29
discharge such a symptomatic only and01:28:34
Freud conceptualizes sublimation as a01:28:38
generally unique move to treat a01:28:40
unique destiny that allows him01:28:44
not to untie himself directly, but to01:28:46
function at some stable01:28:48
level01:28:49
while01:28:51
being shifted from one trajectory to01:28:54
another, that is, literally a change in the01:28:57
trajectory of desire itself, that it no01:28:59
longer requires sensual satisfaction,01:29:02
that its satisfaction is conditioned by the very01:29:04
changes of this pretoria this desexualization01:29:07
and01:29:08
at the same time this does not remove the fact01:29:11
that the origin of this attraction is still01:29:13
due to sexual sources, we are01:29:16
still talking about perversions and01:29:19
sexuality, which ends up posing01:29:22
as infantile sexuality, then01:29:24
these sources will be the same01:29:26
and01:29:29
in this regard, yes in one line of01:29:33
sublimation, the displacement of different mechanisms,01:29:37
respectively, how he subtly approaches the01:29:39
meaning of not these 3 destinies, but01:29:42
when in the first case he writes that01:29:45
sexual curiosity in the service of01:29:48
sexual sources suddenly01:29:51
undergoes inhibition until, that is,01:29:54
inhibition of sexuality, inhibition of01:29:57
intelligence, inhibition of curiosity, yes, that01:30:00
is, we are faced with a similar01:30:03
possible fate, attraction is the01:30:06
second moment, yes, when01:30:09
it comes to trying to describe the so-01:30:11
called option of a strong way01:30:13
of thinking, and when the very process of the01:30:18
movement of thought takes on a01:30:22
sexual character, and in01:30:24
clinical practice, one often01:30:26
has to face this in court, suddenly one01:30:29
cannot speak to a seemingly non-existent the01:30:33
topic has nothing to do with the sexual, has no direct01:30:37
relationship to the real topic, yes, when it01:30:40
comes to what symptoms, yes, that is, and01:30:43
when the thought itself acquires a01:30:47
certain sexual style on the01:30:49
corresponding shame, the corresponding01:30:51
effects, guilt, shame, and fear, yes, that01:30:55
is, and so on and so on is01:30:57
intrusively applied masturbation he hey character01:31:00
when the thought itself becomes something like a01:31:02
master bam and he its activity yes that is the01:31:06
same style of thought to01:31:09
some kind of passive neurotic 300 that is01:31:12
characteristic of a neurotic in obsession, that01:31:15
is, obsessive thoughts of which01:31:18
to blog ki such an environment obsessive01:31:21
repetition which is characterized by01:31:23
inhibition, an attempt to cancel the previous one,01:31:28
as if we are talking about some kind of conflict01:31:30
struggle 200 and 3 fate, which ultimately01:31:35
goes to 300, which is01:31:37
not typical for everyone, which is possible only01:31:40
with some kind of unique singular01:31:43
constellation,01:31:44
which remains impossible to identify and register to the end,01:31:47
even01:31:49
psychoanalytically,01:31:52
what he calls in general, like water, a01:31:56
rare fate in the treatment of sublimation01:31:59
when there is no need for inhibition01:32:02
when it comes to the fact that in treatment one01:32:04
can be satisfied, but having reached01:32:07
any trajectory for non-sexual01:32:09
purposes and friends, what else distinguishes01:32:11
sublimation is the01:32:14
same displacement with which it is often confused01:32:18
before sublimation implies recognition, yes,01:32:22
that is, sublimation already includes01:32:24
recognition by others, big news01:32:27
recognition by others,01:32:33
time is coming to an end, so crawl out01:32:37
further talk about01:32:39
maybe someone will say something else in01:32:43
literally a few minutes01:32:47
how much time have we managed to do so much before I don’t flatter01:32:50
myself with illusions that if only three hours01:32:53
had time for more, of course01:32:56
someone can finally say that01:32:59
I want to thank you, it was interesting01:33:03
and useful, and I also really want to01:33:08
thank you, such a rare meeting in recent01:33:12
times when they say so much, so01:33:14
interesting, so friends are included for the01:33:17
atmosphere and the mood is great for you01:33:19
thank you, I’m very happy about today’s meeting,01:33:22
that’s what we managed to do, we managed to do it here, don’t01:33:24
blame the rich and we’re happy,01:33:27
for example, we’re essentially on the verge of01:33:29
nothing, I’m an hour and a half for me, it’s01:33:33
also sadly unusual, I still won’t get used to it,01:33:36
but nevertheless, it’s good that we01:33:39
’re meeting at all and we can01:33:42
talk and hear each other, and in this light, you never know01:33:45
those who01:33:47
sent a question or those questions that01:33:50
remained unclear for someone,01:33:52
he would like, well, there wasn’t enough time to01:33:54
discuss me, please just send it01:33:57
to me directly to my email, I01:33:59
’ll try to speed it up to answer, but I don’t01:34:02
promise that it’s just like that, and on the01:34:05
same day there are even other things to do, but I promise01:34:08
to support this discussion, yes, it looks like the01:34:11
continuation of the conversation is already in this01:34:13
armateh, and01:34:15
until we meet again,01:34:18
it seems that next week we will have01:34:20
more meetings, or well, in my opinion I’m not01:34:23
mistaken, yes, well, according to three essays,01:34:27
yes, here I am, too, us the memory of a single will01:34:31
meet on the decline of the workers, excellent, well01:34:34
then, see you on 3 and01:34:37
see you in01:34:39
correspondence, all the best, all the01:34:42
best, AstapkovichDescription:
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