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us My name is Alexey Goman this00:00:03
means you are, as always, on the official00:00:04
YouTube channel Dmitry Gordon and today00:00:06
again with us Ramiz Yunus, a political scientist from the00:00:08
United States in America in the past, the00:00:10
chief of staff of the government of00:00:11
Azerbaijan, Mr. Yunus salyamu00:00:13
alaikum is very glad to see you see Thank you for being00:00:15
with us again,00:00:16
my Oleg Salam, see you in00:00:18
good health Greetings to all00:00:21
our dear audience Glory to00:00:23
Ukraine00:00:24
Heroes Glory Before starting with00:00:27
Mr. Yunus, we will have this interview with you tomorrow00:00:30
And today, when we communicate, is just on the00:00:32
eve of the 500th day of the war on in00:00:37
fact, for half a thousand days the00:00:38
defense forces have been putting up simply00:00:42
incredible resistance defending00:00:44
Ukraine in this war that00:00:46
Russia unleashed. I would like to begin by expressing00:00:48
gratitude to all the military personnel of the00:00:50
defense forces of those who are fighting for the freedom of00:00:53
Ukraine. Perhaps Share some00:00:55
memory you thought that00:00:57
this war would continue for so long at the beginning of00:00:58
hostilities00:01:01
To be honest, I talked about this00:01:03
from the first day, I didn’t want to frighten you too much,00:01:06
but in any case, I would say a00:01:10
living witness, I, too, from the first day of00:01:12
working with you and your channel, I drew00:01:15
parallels with the adventure of the Soviet Union in00:01:18
Afghanistan, I always drew parallels I00:01:20
remember when I was always asked the question00:01:22
that this war would last 10 years, the only thing I did was to00:01:25
calm you down and say00:01:27
that um no, it won’t be 10 uh years00:01:30
because the geography is different, you as a00:01:34
population as a nation are completely different here to the00:01:36
people of the population. and00:01:41
considering this and the support that you00:01:44
receive is completely different, not the same if the00:01:46
tactics were similar, I mean00:01:49
such a system Yes, and isolation and sanctions00:01:53
of the arms race and support for the00:01:55
Mujahideen led by Ben Lad Well, the00:01:59
policy of exhausting the00:02:01
Soviet Union quietly entered into there the policy yielded00:02:05
results in the end, in 1989 the00:02:07
troops were withdrawn00:02:10
two years later. The Soviet Union collapsed00:02:13
because the political crisis intensified00:02:15
and there was also a similar rebellion00:02:17
like Prigozhinsky, I have a civil state emergency. Well,00:02:21
that was the last blow of a sledgehammer to the00:02:25
Soviet Union, so a lot00:02:28
parallels and this has been said since the first day and the00:02:30
shark draws such parallels, I understand, it00:02:33
means how it’s just a different matter, you know,00:02:35
from the first day he tells you that the war00:02:39
will not end in a week or even in a00:02:41
month. This is a completely different moral00:02:44
state, so everything must go, you know00:02:47
how, roughly speaking You first had to00:02:49
liberate the Kiev Sumy Chernigov00:02:52
region And as you00:02:54
gained confidence, your confidence,00:02:57
your determination, it was passed on to00:02:59
your friends in the West and you saw how00:03:02
the West was built at the very least and the Americans,00:03:06
first of all, maybe we don’t00:03:08
like them because they this is00:03:10
still the case today Yes, that is, we would like00:03:12
more and more, but if we00:03:13
compare everything that they have done for 30 years,00:03:16
everything that they have done since 2014, everything00:03:19
that they have done since February 24, that is,00:03:21
quietly quietly yes And this dynamics we will00:03:24
compare, we will see that in this year, since the00:03:27
extra war, they have gone through what they have not00:03:29
come for 30 years, here is what they00:03:31
have not done for 30 years, in just over a year00:03:34
they are now making up for all this And they are00:03:36
making up for this, you know, thanks to00:03:39
whom thanks to that the whip that00:03:41
Ukrainian Soldiers are demonstrating today,00:03:44
you use this whip not only in the00:03:47
literal sense against the occupiers who00:03:49
occupied, but also in a figurative figurative00:03:52
sense against00:03:54
our allies, and in this00:03:57
context in this context I00:04:00
consider this offensively00:04:02
aggressive diplomacy that is00:04:04
being demonstrated today your president and00:04:07
his team definitely like me very much00:04:09
because she broke she00:04:11
broke all the canons of classical00:04:13
diplomacy, well, in the end, there hasn’t00:04:17
been a similar war in the last 80 years. And00:04:19
why should we follow? What kind of00:04:22
diplomacy was there then 80 years ago?00:04:24
I didn’t live, it’s all from books I read And00:04:27
books, you know, are sometimes written by the00:04:28
winners and history writes It seems like00:04:31
the winners, yes So it’s not always00:04:33
true And when you start counting00:04:36
materials that are no longer classified are00:04:38
declassified And when you begin00:04:40
to understand and Ribbentrop’s Molotov was like00:04:42
How the Munich war took place collusion, you00:04:45
begin to understand the price of such a00:04:47
primitive politician, how to make00:04:49
Chamberlain You understand, all these who were00:04:52
not present for the most part at that time,00:04:55
and the similarity of many of the00:04:58
same Chamberlains gave you00:05:00
modern ones, too, you see this And when I00:05:02
see this, I begin to understand Well, for example,00:05:05
what Churchill was like in fact, we have00:05:08
n’t seen him in our lives either. I have those who00:05:11
are alive today, but it’s not just that the monument to him00:05:14
stands in front of parliament in London, I00:05:16
was there, I saw him, but I did00:05:18
n’t see the monument to Chamberlain there, and I didn’t see any other00:05:20
example of this same00:05:23
Great Britain saw Why are the00:05:24
British people grateful to him? They gave00:05:27
us a memory because in 5 years, in 5 years,00:05:29
he did what he had to do.00:05:31
The leader of this nation, he was the first and00:05:33
only Leader of the Western world,00:05:36
including the United States, he woke up. He00:05:39
forced the steering wheel to intervene in this war and00:05:42
so on and so forth Yes, today00:05:44
your president plays this role, whether00:05:45
someone likes it or not, we all00:05:48
could have treated him differently before the00:05:50
war, well, the artist, the comedian, was funny,00:05:54
but politics is a completely00:05:56
different matter, especially00:05:58
such a full-scale war, you saw00:06:01
how the whole the world is confused, Biden is00:06:03
confused, the entire Elite of America is confused, the00:06:06
entire collective West is confused, everyone00:06:09
is confused, but he is not confused, he has00:06:11
no experience, he is not confused,00:06:14
firstly, that he did not jump off, did not abandon00:06:16
his country, his people stayed with his00:06:19
people with his team, this is all00:06:21
to play I could have calmly killed him on the00:06:24
spot with his team, shot him right there00:06:27
and everything would have gone completely the00:06:30
other way; history, of course,00:06:33
has no subjunctive moods, but he00:06:35
is the people who make history. Ukraine as a00:06:39
country, the Ukrainian nation, the Ukrainian people,00:06:41
I don’t have only Ukrainians. I have00:06:44
all the citizens of Ukraine and Russians with00:06:46
passports who are fighting with a machine gun in00:06:48
their hands, defending Ukraine and Azerbaijanis00:06:50
and Georgians and Armenians, so I also say to the Armenians00:06:53
so that they can hear, otherwise they think that I’m00:06:56
somehow breathing unevenly towards them if some00:06:58
Armenian is a citizen of Ukraine today00:07:00
protects Ukraine and defends it with dignity, you00:07:03
die for it, which means he is a citizen of00:07:04
Ukraine in fact. Because if we are00:07:07
talking about a nation, we are talking about00:07:09
America, there are no such national ones.00:07:10
All Americans All Americans and I00:07:13
want everyone in Azerbaijan to00:07:15
say that we are all Azerbaijanis00:07:17
who live there in Azerbaijan are different00:07:19
ethnic minorities Yes, there is00:07:21
no difference, the strength of the country, the strength of the state00:07:24
lies precisely in this attention. But00:07:28
how do you come to this? You00:07:30
come to this through the root of this00:07:32
war. You actually come.00:07:34
Now you are forming as a nation so that there is00:07:36
no They said What pompous words they wouldn’t00:07:38
say, wouldn’t give examples from00:07:40
history Here you are today, your00:07:42
statehood Here’s your independence in00:07:44
’91, everything that happened, how you treated00:07:47
him without a care was wrong in00:07:49
many ways, and everyone is to blame for this, without00:07:52
exception, all presidents, all00:07:53
prime ministers, all deputies and the entire00:07:55
population, no one, roughly speaking, as in00:07:58
Azerbaijan, in the same way, I am also00:08:00
to blame for everything that happened in00:08:02
my country, and my pros, my cons, and in the first00:08:05
Karabakh region,00:08:07
we lost and we won the second, and in the first00:08:08
Karabakh region, I am to blame here too I’m,00:08:10
uh, standing next to the winners. I think00:08:13
there’s some kind of my share of Labor.00:08:15
You know, you can’t separate yourself, otherwise we’re00:08:17
all good when everything is good. And when00:08:19
it’s bad, it’s not so, so we must00:08:22
understand it correctly and correctly evaluate00:08:24
what’s happening. Here you are.00:08:25
you ask my impressions, yes, I’m00:08:27
actually impressed, I discovered Ukraine in a new way00:08:29
because today, in00:08:32
fact, you are protecting the whole world. I have a00:08:34
civilized world, not just a00:08:36
collective smell. Yes, although maybe00:08:38
many of them are not even worthy of it.00:08:40
Because that’s how they say in00:08:41
Azerbaijan,00:08:42
one of my favorite sayings is a proverb of the00:08:45
Azerbaijani people,00:08:47
you only get stabs in the back from those00:08:49
whom you protect with all your might. You are the ones who00:08:52
got a stab in the back from those00:08:55
who today seem to have quietly quietly00:08:58
lined up quietly quietly will support you Yes,00:09:00
you will until 2014 and until February 24, 22 years00:09:05
ago, you received these back blows and00:09:08
today you continue to00:09:11
receive blows at every moment, but you are already different00:09:13
because you are already a different nation, your00:09:15
military-political leadership is already00:09:16
different and your president is completely different, a00:09:19
completely different person, this is not the same00:09:21
the person you chose several00:09:23
years ago is a completely different person.00:09:25
He has changed 180 degrees. I have had a00:09:28
reassessment of value. I am sure00:09:30
that I am very happy. The only thing that may00:09:32
remain is love for the Motherland, it is00:09:35
genetic, so to speak, and we are all00:09:38
people, parents, yes. And parents and the Motherland -00:09:40
these things are one and the same, that is, in this00:09:43
regard, I can definitely understand this as a00:09:45
person who lost his homeland, roughly00:09:47
speaking, he was far from his homeland for 20 years. I00:09:50
never thought that I love my00:09:52
homeland so much because living there or when you00:09:54
see your parents who alive, you00:09:56
look like that, even sometimes you quarrel with00:09:58
them, you argue with them And when you lose them,00:09:59
you lose it, you start00:10:02
when you hear about their death And you are00:10:05
10,000 km away You see, I00:10:09
said, my00:10:10
voice trembled, I just remembered00:10:13
my parents, that’s why you understand00:10:16
I’m going through such moments I miss myself00:10:20
and I saw different moments I just00:10:23
said about your leaders I can say about00:10:25
ordinary soldiers the soldier who00:10:28
looked at the machine gun said the words Glory to00:10:31
Ukraine he was 35 or 36 years old he was 35 or 36 years old it was00:10:34
this we saw in the movies00:10:37
they showed this to us in the movies they wrote in books,00:10:39
you know, sometimes these heroes were invented for us,00:10:41
I lived in Soviet times, you are young, they00:10:44
literally invented a huge00:10:47
number of heroes; moreover, there are so many00:10:49
who didn’t have any at all. Well, how did they00:10:51
come up with fabulous staff? Yes,00:10:53
Alexander Matrosov, there was no such00:10:55
person on the planet00:10:59
who was00:11:01
for the Soviet Union Tatars, the Tatar00:11:04
surname did not fit, it was necessary for00:11:06
Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich to understand, therefore,00:11:10
28 Panfilov’s members00:11:13
Pavlik Morozov The scoundrels who sold00:11:16
his own father00:11:18
were presented as heroes we lived in the country00:11:26
Maybe you get it all in blood Yes,00:11:29
today we are defending our country,00:11:30
admiring our homeland, you are being formed00:11:32
as a nation, I don’t I doubt that you will come out00:11:35
of this war like a Phoenix bird, you will be on the00:11:38
new side, it’s just that now it’s very00:11:40
difficult for you, maybe it may be easier for me to00:11:42
say this, you understand. I still00:11:43
live in America, I’m not under bombs,00:11:47
I was on the air just now before you.00:11:49
I literally came out of one broadcast and00:11:51
during the broadcast I started to00:11:53
worry, it was as if00:11:56
daggers were flying. You see, I’m sitting00:11:59
here in America and the journalist is there and00:12:02
she didn’t leave, she began to study with me.00:12:05
You see, it’s just a journalist’s condition.00:12:08
Let this happen on the air. there is00:12:11
fear, the fear of nuclear weapons is gone,00:12:14
the general laid it down in his last00:12:16
interviews, he said he sent everyone after the00:12:19
Russian ships and in the West, first of all,00:12:21
Washington said he said this to the00:12:25
Western reader, including political ones,00:12:29
so naturally00:12:31
Personally, I fell in love even more with respect for00:12:35
Ukraine, a simple Ukrainian soldier, you00:12:38
citizens at of all criticism,00:12:40
in a friendly way, sometimes I run into the00:12:42
information field, I see how many00:12:44
crooks there take advantage of your such00:12:46
unprofessionalism, maybe it’s00:12:49
the inexperience of many, and these mastitis00:12:53
beetles Scoundrels penetrate the information00:12:55
field with their Russian00:12:57
anti-Ukrainian narratives Yes,00:12:59
he’s pushing, I see that too, but I’m00:13:01
saying all this in a friendly way. I just00:13:03
understand this is such a situation, this is the00:13:05
situation it was yesterday it will be00:13:07
today it will be tomorrow Well, you00:13:10
are forming and I have no doubt, I have no00:13:12
doubt in your Victory And that’s why I00:13:16
see, every single day I’m on the air and00:13:18
not because that I want to shine00:13:21
on the screen Yes, from morning to evening you00:13:24
understand it’s emotionally very difficult00:13:26
to give several interviews a day00:13:28
emotionally very difficult because00:13:30
you will see I’m definitely a person, sometimes I00:13:32
start to speak emotionally especially00:13:34
when you call me such a question is not00:13:36
not geopolitical Neapolitology and a00:13:38
purely human question, I’m a living00:13:40
person and I have fresh emotions Yes, and00:13:43
I naturally understand that how00:13:46
important my word can be today If00:13:48
tens of thousands of people write to me, they don’t believe me,00:13:50
they trust me, I follow my every word, I do00:13:52
n’t want to pass it off as really,00:13:54
but I I want you to know that I am with you00:13:57
also because there are millions of decent people00:13:59
all over the planet, I will go with you to the end00:14:01
because today you are protecting me and00:14:04
my homeland, including00:14:06
Mr. Thank you very much for your00:14:09
support Friends, you are your words of support for the00:14:10
defense forces that first of all,00:14:12
now they provide us with the opportunity to00:14:14
talk with Mr. Yunus, also00:14:15
please leave in the comments00:14:17
the air raid warning continues, friends, do not00:14:19
ignore it because the00:14:21
enemy is truly insidious and your life00:14:23
is our freedom and your life is the00:14:26
main thing that is in our country Let00:14:27
's start friends after after you00:14:29
definitely like this conversation and00:14:31
thumbs up, click so that00:14:32
more people see this00:14:33
conversation because there are really00:14:34
half a thousand wars, we would like this dialogue to be00:14:38
heard by as many of00:14:40
our listeners and viewers as possible,00:14:42
dear friends. You and I bought for the00:14:46
Armed Forces of Ukraine already 30 Drones 3000:14:51
are reconnaissance Drones dji mavic00:14:54
3 flymore Combo which is so necessary00:14:57
at the front 30 Drones is it a lot or a little00:15:02
of course it’s not a little but it’s not a lot and I00:15:07
would like you and me to buy00:15:10
100 Drones for the armed forces of Ukraine 10000:15:15
Drones which it’s so necessary today at00:15:18
the front and that’s why I invite everyone to my00:15:23
merch store Gordon Shop, everyone who00:15:27
purchases something will receive a gift like00:15:30
this chocolate bar So how many00:15:34
types of my merch will you buy00:15:37
as many chocolates These are the00:15:41
chocolates I repeat you will get for free00:15:45
Come to the Gordon Shop store buy00:15:48
everything you like get00:15:52
chocolates Gordon as a gift and most importantly00:15:55
Let's together help our wonderful00:15:59
army expel the hated occupier from the00:16:03
Ukrainian Land00:16:05
[music]00:16:07
[applause]00:16:09
[music]00:16:14
and literally before the start of our interview with you,00:16:17
Mr. Yunus, it became known00:16:20
that Vladimir Zelensky flew to00:16:21
Turkey, where he is going to meet with00:16:23
Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of the country, and the00:16:27
top topics of their conversations have already been published, which00:16:29
means the extension of the grain00:16:31
deal, the Ukrainian Peace Plan and of00:16:34
course the NATO summit, which will already take place00:16:36
literally next week, I00:16:39
will remind our viewers that Turkey is one of00:16:40
those countries that, for example has00:16:42
not yet given its full consent to the00:16:45
membership of Sweden, for example, in the00:16:47
alliance, and I would like to hear your opinion.00:16:49
Turkey is a close country for you,00:16:52
Mr. Yunus. I know how much you00:16:54
love it. I would like you to00:16:56
tell your ideas about00:16:58
how much Turkey can to support00:17:00
Ukraine in its desire to become part of the00:17:02
North Atlantic Alliance and00:17:06
to support these security guarantees00:17:07
that Vladimir Zelensky is asking for00:17:10
on our way to NATO, that is, this is what00:17:12
can be expected from Turkey, including at00:17:14
this summit of the North Atlantic00:17:16
Alliance in the context of Ukraine00:17:18
Well firstly, I very positively and00:17:21
positively assess the very fact of00:17:24
President Zelensky’s visit to Turkey, this is very00:17:26
important, your president does not just leave the country00:17:29
and he visits only those countries00:17:32
that deserve him to00:17:35
visit them, he emphasizes they deserve it, that’s why the00:17:37
United States of America is included00:17:38
because the entire collective The West, all00:17:41
NATO countries are, to one degree or another, to blame00:17:43
for what is happening on the planet today,00:17:45
all members must understand, the USA and Turkey00:17:48
and France and Germany, that is, all of the00:17:50
UK and those who, uh, are to blame00:17:54
simply because they are themselves when I00:17:56
say I’m also to blame for what’s00:17:57
happening in my homeland. Yes, my pluses and00:17:59
minuses cannot be separated because00:18:01
if something is not completed, then in general I’m a00:18:04
team player. And that’s why this is how the00:18:07
team structure should be, if something goes wrong there it’s00:18:10
systemic crisis means everyone is00:18:13
to blame for this, all 31 countries are all00:18:15
to blame there, so00:18:23
the visit of your president behaves00:18:27
aggressively offensively, that aggressively00:18:29
offensive diplomacy that00:18:31
your president demonstrates, it breaks00:18:33
As I said, all the canons of diplomacy, the world is00:18:35
different today and today these00:18:38
ordinary laws of diplomacy do not work, that’s why he he00:18:41
brought something new and it gives results,00:18:44
look, today he is number one on00:18:46
the planet, he has more authority than00:18:48
all of these leaders00:18:50
who will gather there today Why00:18:52
Because he is the president of the country That00:18:56
country who bleeds and protects00:18:58
all of this NATO protects all of this it’s necessary,00:19:01
but the European Union doesn’t accept it.00:19:04
You see, this is what I want to00:19:07
say and it’s not just that from the00:19:10
first day he didn’t have such an attitude towards him, it00:19:11
wasn’t until February 24, he00:19:14
deserved it for this year00:19:18
and therefore Naturally, we need to look at it from this prism00:19:21
and he just doesn’t00:19:23
choose Well, look, he came to00:19:25
Bulgaria, how he attacked the President00:19:27
of Bulgaria in public, competently, it’s also that00:19:30
the President of Bulgaria quickly00:19:31
kicked the journalists out of the room so that this wouldn’t00:19:34
continue because it definitely00:19:35
hurts his reputation, he went through00:19:37
all these three things there about Russian00:19:39
interests are strong in Bulgaria and in the Czech Republic00:19:41
and Slovakia00:19:43
Why can this happen? The Soviet00:19:45
Union collapsed more than 30 years00:19:47
ago where they look where they look where it00:19:50
looks the whole collective smell for 3000:19:52
years it was impossible to pump it out What did00:19:55
you do, did you make money and00:19:58
sold it those who00:20:00
defended these values,00:20:04
my native Azerbaijan, during the first00:20:07
Karabakh war, they sold Georgia, they sold it00:20:10
in 2008, they sold Ukraine in 201400:20:14
and many continue to do such things,00:20:16
many countries, what do you think,00:20:19
no one sees all this, and the Ukrainians see00:20:21
it,00:20:22
and your President Zelensky00:20:24
I saw and felt this better than anyone else after00:20:27
February 24 and therefore took such a tactic and00:20:30
this tactic, you see, gives results,00:20:32
your president will not just go00:20:36
anywhere and will not meet with anyone.00:20:37
Here is the meeting in Chisinau He passed by the00:20:41
Prime Minister of Georgia without even a hand00:20:44
fell ignored the Prime Minister of00:20:46
Armenia made him not see him00:20:48
hugged with the President of Azerbaijan00:20:50
met with him separately spoke00:20:53
exclusively in English I’m pleased of00:20:55
course it’s pleasant it00:20:57
makes it easier for me to run into less of00:21:00
these armchair experts who spoke00:21:02
nasty things about my country especially the00:21:05
representatives of these countries from the same00:21:07
Armenia00:21:08
Well, I’ll leave them for later,00:21:11
they dressed themselves up because they wanted to present themselves And00:21:14
your President Zelensky00:21:15
ignored her And with the President of00:21:17
Azerbaijan it means that there is something there that00:21:19
President Zelensky and the00:21:21
President of Azerbaijan know, not everything is done00:21:23
publicly just like President00:21:25
Zelensky and the President Turkey, if there00:21:28
was something wrong there,00:21:30
your president wouldn’t have gone there, one hundred percent, and would00:21:33
n’t have come to America. America00:21:35
wouldn’t have agreed, why did he come here00:21:37
and to the summit? That’s why he won’t go unless there’s00:21:41
some kind of a decision that00:21:43
will satisfy him, his people, not his personally, his00:21:45
country, he must receive some00:21:48
guarantees, he must receive confidence00:21:50
in this, this confidence must be given to him00:21:52
first of all, America, Great Britain,00:21:54
first of all,00:21:57
Sunday will decide this issue, the00:21:59
final decision will be made00:22:00
there and then after of this decision, he will fly00:22:03
there, he will fly there or not I don’t know00:22:05
Although Stoltenberg already seems to be00:22:08
announcing he is also under pressure like00:22:11
Let’s save the Union let’s make it00:22:14
Stoltenberg made three proposals there00:22:15
Although the third sentence said so00:22:19
Let’s then tell our viewers00:22:21
I’ll tell our viewers then two00:22:24
sentences because it’s actually00:22:25
important Very topic Stoltenberg00:22:27
actually stated that the head of NATO that00:22:28
Vladimir Zelensky will go to the Vilnius summit,00:22:31
before that the President of Ukraine said that00:22:34
he would go only if he was00:22:36
sure that there would be some00:22:37
effective effective steps that00:22:39
would help in -firstly, to bring Ukraine00:22:41
directly closer to the North Atlantic00:22:43
Alliance, and secondly, he will receive some kind of00:22:45
security guarantees or some kind of00:22:47
support that will allow Ukraine00:22:49
to resist in the event of a new onslaught of00:22:51
occupation forces and advance in our00:22:53
offensive operations, and in the end00:22:55
he said that Zelensky will do so This means00:22:57
we can already expect that00:23:00
Ukraine knows something about the Ukrainian president about00:23:02
what the results of this meeting will be.00:23:03
However, Stoltenberg revealed some00:23:05
points and said that there are three main elements00:23:08
that Ukraine will hear at the NATO summit.00:23:11
The first is a multi-year program00:23:12
to support Ukraine. 2 a Ukraine NATO council will be created.00:23:16
and the third point is that00:23:18
Stoltenberg said that he hopes00:23:20
that the members of the Alliance will confirm that Ukraine00:23:24
will be a member of NATO, you really00:23:26
correctly said the third point, something like00:23:28
this, that is, not entirely sure,00:23:30
tell us about these three points. What is00:23:32
your general expectation? In this regard, I00:23:34
I’ll finish on the topic of Turkey, then I’ll come to00:23:35
this topic because these are all00:23:37
interconnected things because this00:23:39
topic is also on the agenda in00:23:41
Turkey. Well, this is why I00:23:44
told you so that exactly as far as I00:23:46
understand, yes, the importance of this visit means00:23:48
it emphasizes publicly for everyone from both in00:23:52
Ukraine and around the world and to all those who00:23:54
speak today or or not00:23:56
comment this way. This is all he shows his00:23:59
respectful attitude personally to the00:24:00
President of Turkey as Turkey as a00:24:02
state in this matter on this00:24:04
topic because in addition to humanitarian00:24:06
issues that Turkey is being decided publicly.00:24:08
We know this, that is, this is the grain00:24:10
contract and prisoners of war and other00:24:12
issues, but there are many issues that00:24:14
Turkey is deciding even before President00:24:17
Zelensky became president, all 30 years of00:24:19
Ukraine’s independence and all 20 years of00:24:22
President Erdogan’s rule,00:24:24
when the policy towards Ukraine is00:24:26
completely the other has become stronger,00:24:28
more specific, more military,00:24:30
strategic since 2008, who was happy00:24:33
for the reception of Ukraine, Turkey and Georgia did00:24:37
n’t want the same thing? Yes, it was Turkey who spoke about this.00:24:39
What was the first country to00:24:41
supply you with weapons after 2014? Turkey00:24:44
emphasizes this for what, a public matter,00:24:47
what If only they knew where they were at that moment All the00:24:50
parents00:24:51
who are tearing their shirts today for Sweden,00:24:54
yes, you are asking me for Turkey to do the right thing,00:24:56
which Sweden is not accepting today, the00:24:59
device is being installed. Because this has00:25:01
nothing to do with Ukraine or the00:25:03
war that Russia unleashed against00:25:05
you, this is a problem between Turkey and Sweden,00:25:07
this problem between Turkey and the United00:25:10
States, where was Sweden? The simple00:25:13
question is Sweden and Finland. So they00:25:16
all ran at full speed.00:25:18
And where were they in 2008 when Russia00:25:21
attacked Georgia? How did they behave? They00:25:25
were on excellent terms with Russia.00:25:26
They didn’t even think about joining. And where00:25:29
were they after 2014?00:25:31
They had the same excellent relationship with00:25:33
Russia00:25:34
and didn’t think about it, but now they were scared,00:25:38
they weren’t sure that they wouldn’t succeed,00:25:42
that Ukraine would withstand this blow,00:25:45
Ukraine is taking the blow and they are talking about Ukraine00:25:51
first of all, that’s why everyone wants the00:25:54
Baltic countries and Sweden and Finland and Poland and00:25:58
Romania Everyone wants an American soldier00:26:02
Everyone wants to protect themselves from Russia It’s a simple00:26:06
question and what does Ukraine have to do with whether Sweden will accept or00:26:11
not Sweden will accept Finland or will not00:26:13
accept it has anything to do with00:26:15
Ukraine how is this will be reflected on the battlefield on00:26:19
the supply of weapons on everything that the00:26:21
pledged general says.00:26:22
This has nothing to do with this,00:26:24
so when three is at the root As00:26:27
Kozma Prutkov says, look, for some reason do the00:26:30
right thing,00:26:33
children, you want to join in and you will00:26:36
burn the Koran every two months in center of00:26:39
the city and you will say that democracy is the00:26:40
human rights00:26:57
who does this, it makes00:26:59
no difference to him there is also a name in the Koran of00:27:03
Jesus they are in the Koran that we are also00:27:05
called Musa Jesus is called00:27:14
millions of people And if you take billions around the planet,00:27:19
you can get over it, here I am a citizen of America, a00:27:22
devout Muslim I don’t accept00:27:24
this, I don’t need this kind of democracy. There’s00:27:26
absolutely no need00:27:28
to call everything democracy, that’s just the00:27:31
way we’ll end up with anarchy,00:27:34
which means there’s a specific game going on here, plus I00:27:37
’m leaving this topic of the Koran, this is one of the00:27:39
points I explained to you the position in00:27:42
2008 2014 regarding these countries00:27:44
and where was Turkey where was Sweden and00:27:47
Why is it like this today and look before00:27:50
the election of Erdogan Sweden did not comply with those00:27:53
points in the legislation of the parliament00:27:55
that received regarding There the Kursk00:27:57
separatists they thought that Erdogan00:28:00
would not be elected And as soon as he was elected They00:28:03
realized there was no way back they immediately00:28:05
passed it through parliament,00:28:07
which means it was possible to do it, you have some00:28:10
kind of game going on And now you understand and the00:28:13
Americans said let it pass, so00:28:15
now what’s the problem The problem is different00:28:17
Because these Kursk separatists This is the00:28:20
national security of the same Turkey00:28:25
asked questions in America00:28:29
because Before this, the Kurds, during the Soviet00:28:32
era, were enemies of America, the00:28:43
collective West,00:28:48
he went with the S-400, he took it from Russia, moreover, they did00:28:51
n’t even put it in the warehouse,00:28:55
you took it, punished Turkey, deprived them of the F-3500:28:59
and don’t give them 16 modernized for 2000:29:03
billion. Turkey wants it. I no longer I speak00:29:05
for f35 Turkey paid several billion in00:29:07
advance, this money has not yet00:29:09
been returned00:29:10
So now a simple question Greece also00:29:16
bought its time00:29:19
from Russia00:29:24
today they are on combat duty00:29:27
Ukraine when this war began00:29:30
asked for00:29:36
35 F16 to all programs Why are their00:29:41
Christians00:29:45
who are talking about this topic00:29:51
today in00:29:54
Turkey Finland00:30:00
is bargaining in a completely different way00:30:10
for Georgia on And this is not NATO territory,00:30:14
but now it smells like something is00:30:16
fried and you, first of all,00:30:19
accept your own people. You can’t even00:30:21
give a normal road map of some kind and00:30:24
you want President Zelensky With you00:30:26
somehow it was different, here he behaves00:30:28
the way he really likes him, that’s when he00:30:31
behaves,00:30:34
we just haven’t seen such a thing that00:30:39
modern diplomacy doesn’t have00:30:41
such a war, and now he behaves the way00:30:43
he feels, he has nothing to lose by00:30:46
eliminating00:30:48
his country I’m already going through what I’m going through, I00:30:50
apologize. None of these Western countries00:30:52
have gone through and he speaks the same way as00:30:55
the general laid down here and now,00:30:59
give me a road map, I’ll go, I don’t00:31:02
know yet, I don’t believe it yet, I have to00:31:04
hear that he will go to the capital of00:31:07
President Zelensky or from him00:31:10
some official and00:31:11
Ermak there or Kuleba or something like that, someone00:31:14
should voice this, we haven’t heard this00:31:16
because I think we’ll hear it when00:31:18
the meeting ends in London between the canoes on00:31:22
Sunday, I’m going there So now I’ve00:31:25
polished that’s why Stoltenberg’s third00:31:28
point is so streamlined -he00:31:30
expressed himself incomprehensibly on this topic. This means that there is00:31:32
not yet a clear understanding of00:31:35
what Ukraine wants, everyone understands that00:31:38
today the War is going on during the war, this00:31:40
cannot happen, yes, Ukraine does not need this,00:31:42
today Ukraine needs to liberate00:31:44
the territory from what you give this00:31:46
piece of paper the territory will not be liberated00:31:48
automatically the territory will be liberated00:31:50
if the attack is all F-16 there will be a00:31:52
cluster bomb And everything else00:31:53
dear friends We have00:31:57
already bought 30 Drones for the Armed Forces 3000:32:02
reconnaissance Drones dji mavic 300:32:06
flymore Combo which is so necessary at the00:32:09
front 30 Drones is a lot or a little,00:32:13
of course, it’s not a little, but it’s not much, and I00:32:18
would like you and I to buy00:32:21
100 Drones for the armed forces of Ukraine 10000:32:26
Drones, which are so necessary today at00:32:29
the front and that’s why I invite everyone to my00:32:34
merch store Gordon Shop, everyone who00:32:38
buys something will receive like00:32:41
this chocolate as a gift So how many00:32:45
types of my merch will you buy00:32:49
so many chocolates These are00:32:52
the chocolates I repeat you will get for free00:32:56
Come to the Gordon shop buy00:32:59
whatever you like get00:33:03
chocolates as a gift Gordon and most importantly00:33:06
Let's together help our wonderful00:33:10
army expel the hated occupier from00:33:14
Ukrainian Earth00:33:16
[music]00:33:25
by the way, cluster bombs The White House, an hour00:33:29
before our program, officially confirmed00:33:31
the cluster was again Look Hai00:33:33
raised Who raised Hai Germans French00:33:36
human rights activists00:33:38
And where were you before this Russia is bombing00:33:41
Ukraine with cassettes I don’t say but00:33:45
they are doing it So what further00:33:47
And that next someone will come to00:33:49
throw cluster bombs, and I know that00:33:52
there is a cluster bomb, I can00:33:53
defend myself, I can defend myself, these00:33:56
last bombs the Ukrainians are not going to00:33:57
throw on Moscow there or on St. Petersburg00:33:58
absolutely. I, Mr. Him,00:34:01
must also explain to our viewers that this the type of00:34:03
weapon it is prohibited by00:34:05
international conventions, however, neither00:34:07
Russia nor the United States of America00:34:09
seem to have ratified these conventions.00:34:10
However, Germany itself declares as a00:34:13
member of this convention that00:34:16
this can only harm the00:34:19
civilian population there; this cannot be done.00:34:21
This will be an escalation of conflicts. However,00:34:23
Russia During this full-scale00:34:25
rejection, these same cluster bombs, that00:34:27
is, huge bombs in the middle of which00:34:28
there are dozens or hundreds of smaller ones,00:34:30
it is watering Ukrainian lands from the very00:34:33
beginning of this war, but for some reason, when00:34:35
these weapons are provided to Ukraine, then00:34:37
immediately Even those partners who00:34:39
support us begin to be indignant at this,00:34:40
explain why00:34:42
And so I showed the true face of00:34:46
all these Dalads Chamberlain in00:34:48
modern ones And that’s why they sometimes don’t00:34:50
see a log in their own eye, a00:34:52
speck in someone else’s eye, including00:34:55
Turkey, a dear close country, as if they00:34:57
correctly noticed it to me Not because I’m an00:34:59
ethnic tour, no absolutely absolutely00:35:01
if Turkey did something wrong I00:35:04
would have attacked in full if my00:35:06
Azerbaijan had done something wrong I would have attacked00:35:07
in full my biography is00:35:10
in front of yours Sorry for the indiscretion until00:35:12
September 27, 2020 I was in00:35:14
strong opposition to the Azerbaijani there00:35:16
were questions for the government about everything I00:35:19
said, I’m00:35:20
sitting there, my last name00:35:23
came, the war came, I turned it all upside down and00:35:26
personal resentment And a lot of things left00:35:29
the country for nothing 20 years ago for what it’s not clear this is00:35:32
all history I’ll deal with my00:35:34
own people because we have one00:35:36
Our homeland, we will lose our homeland, we have nothing to share,00:35:38
so I will go in the same trench with them until the end,00:35:41
you understand what I’m leading this to,00:35:43
we must understand this.00:35:44
What kind of struggle is going on today, including Ukrainians, and00:35:47
who behaves how and who00:35:50
behaves how in this world I understand exactly00:35:52
what I00:35:55
criticized today00:35:57
to criticize On what basis does00:36:00
Azerbaijan carry out four organizations00:36:04
just as Ukraine does00:36:06
before Ukraine00:36:08
and thank God we were not NATO, we do not00:36:12
need consensus from 31 countries to liberate00:36:15
their territory or not, although I wanted the00:36:16
opinion of all 31 countries that they go to00:36:19
this we are not part of this00:36:22
key ally Turkey, which is with00:36:25
us the second NATO army, you all see how we00:36:28
solved this issue, we also added00:36:30
Israel, we added Pakistan and we resolved00:36:32
this issue on earth and the whole world recognized it,00:36:35
but for 30 years we were fooled. This cannot be done you00:36:37
can’t do it peacefully and that 30 years have already passed, a00:36:40
generation has passed another 30 years to wait and you have been00:36:43
fooled like this since 2014, so why am I talking about00:36:46
all these very important topics and here is the topic of00:36:49
the visit to Turkey, the first question is this is a war,00:36:54
technical supplies to Turkey are not00:36:57
only Bayrahtara and this not only a00:36:58
huge number of joint00:37:00
ventures, Turkey today is one of the00:37:01
strongest countries in the world, the00:37:04
military-industrial complex, it is00:37:05
developing powerfully, this and warships,00:37:08
and drones,00:37:11
this is all that is needed and I understand this00:37:14
will be a secret part of these00:37:16
negotiations, but this will be a very important00:37:18
part I want something, and then everyone says the00:37:20
grain contract,00:37:22
it’s all public, everyone knows this, you can’t help but00:37:24
doubt Turkey on this issue,00:37:26
just as it held its00:37:28
position, so it will be in this position00:37:30
because in this contract many people don’t00:37:32
know Russia, it may even come out like it00:37:34
did it several times to blackmail it will00:37:36
not affect the position of Ukraine00:37:38
Turkey and the UN in any way because the contract of Ukraine to Turkey00:37:41
is autonomous; the contract of Turkey by the UN00:37:45
and Russia is autonomous; they do not interfere with each other;00:37:47
Russia can withdraw from00:37:49
its contract, and Turkey has Turkish ships here and there; there00:37:51
will be Turkish ships here and there00:37:53
Russia will defend, what about00:37:56
bombing, who to bomb? It’s good to bomb the Ukrainians.00:37:58
You can, he doesn’t have any00:37:59
ships, there will be a bottle00:38:03
that will guard it, well, try. I’ll00:38:06
see, to this day they haven’t done that, that00:38:08
’s why the grain contract will be00:38:11
discussed and the topic of captivity will be discussed,00:38:13
and the topic itself- then the topic itself is the topic of Sweden00:38:17
because it has nothing to do with Ukraine;00:38:19
Ukraine is00:38:22
not present in this at all; what interest does00:38:23
Ukraine have in whether Sweden will be there or not Sweden will be00:38:26
there; that this will help Ukraine00:38:28
move closer; no; and the fact that Ukraine has been00:38:32
supported by Turkey since 2008;00:38:35
Turkey's position has changed No, if the00:38:38
president had changed Zelensky,00:38:40
the cardigan would not have flown. What I mean is that the00:38:43
general background is so that you know, and it is not by00:38:45
chance that00:38:46
Yarmak has already put up such, you know, two00:38:50
flags, everything is as it should be, a lot of your00:38:53
leaders put up such tweets,00:38:56
they put up these tweets only00:38:58
regarding those countries to which they clearly00:39:00
relate. With respect, they know everything that is00:39:02
not happening publicly. Just sometimes you00:39:04
know public policy, especially when the00:39:06
Country of moderators Turkey is moderators and00:39:09
therefore it must adhere to00:39:11
And what is happening behind the scenes00:39:16
The leader of these countries understands clearly00:39:18
no doubt in my mind because00:39:20
this is the policy of Turkey and the relationship with00:39:23
Ukraine, these military strategic ones,00:39:24
they did not start yesterday or the day before yesterday, they are00:39:27
military-strategic00:39:30
basins and do not forget that 5 million00:39:33
Crimean Tatars live today in Turkey,00:39:42
friends, what are your expectations from yourself in00:39:45
Vilnius Please write in the00:39:46
comments it will be interesting read00:39:47
your thoughts also about how you see the00:39:51
result of this summit in general, what it00:39:54
could be for Ukraine in general, we will00:39:55
analyze your answers in00:39:57
subsequent interviews, don’t be lazy and00:39:58
press your finger up if you didn’t do so at the00:40:00
beginning of this video, another00:40:02
big news Well, as always loud00:40:05
headlines, at least in the American media,00:40:07
information appeared that in April00:40:09
in the United States there was a meeting of00:40:11
representatives of former representatives of00:40:13
law enforcement agencies and intelligence services, uh,00:40:16
American with representatives of00:40:18
the Russian side, including the head of the00:40:20
occupier’s Foreign Ministry, Sergei Lavrov, allegedly00:40:24
according to journalists, uh00:40:27
These two groups also spoke about Ukraine. However,00:40:30
a number of American media, citing00:40:32
sources in the Biden administration,00:40:34
tried to immediately refute the thesis00:40:37
that this meeting was under the auspices, so to00:40:41
speak, directly of Joe Biden, that00:40:43
he gave permission for this no, allegedly Joe00:40:45
Biden about this meeting secret meeting00:40:47
between American and00:40:48
Russian representatives regarding Ukraine, I didn’t know00:40:50
what you think could be discussed at00:40:54
this meeting if we take it for granted that00:40:56
such a meeting took place.00:40:59
I remember when Lavrov came here. I the topic of a00:41:03
visa, giving him a visa and not giving him a visa, was discussed for a long time00:41:05
later part of it, his delegation was00:41:07
not allowed in, only a few people were00:41:09
allowed to come here, I told you that he00:41:11
would definitely meet with the00:41:13
political leadership and00:41:15
representatives of the intelligence services in the United00:41:16
States of America, but not with those whose last name00:41:19
appears there today. These are completely00:41:21
different topics, so the conversation did not go on, that’s00:41:23
what it is now threw this into the atmosphere Well,00:41:26
I mean the00:41:27
media These are absolutely not the same persons and00:41:30
not those people who represent any00:41:31
great interest. Well, there may well be a00:41:33
huge number of people who00:41:35
simply showed their personal interests and00:41:37
had their own relationships Henry brush, they00:41:39
lived like this let's say collective on a smaller00:41:41
scale Well, so what? It shouldn't be00:41:43
assessed that this is Hmm authorized by the00:41:47
White House if the White House needs to00:41:49
meet with the00:41:52
Russian foreign ministers here in the United States of00:41:53
America, for this there are specific00:41:56
people and they meet and so they are not00:41:57
only here they meet, but William Bersh00:42:00
flies to Moscow regularly as much as00:42:02
he wants and meets. Besides that, there are00:42:04
several other people who00:42:06
do the same thing regularly, one of them is the00:42:08
same Jim Carrey. Yes, who00:42:10
may not be shining lately, but he is00:42:12
also from this and the teams of the same Biden, they00:42:15
just put him in some00:42:17
inconspicuous position like he deals with the climate,00:42:19
but when necessary they pull him out of there00:42:21
and send him and assign him00:42:23
specific tasks and all those who are there,00:42:25
again Hasan, several more people are00:42:28
analysts who were00:42:29
politicians there who are in one or another in other words,00:42:31
they worked somewhere in different administrations00:42:33
This is not the same level This is not the same level00:42:36
I emphasize because it is not the same level of00:42:38
people who Well,00:42:40
the future I am the president I00:42:42
would never get it, why do I need them these00:42:45
never so there are specific00:42:48
people who are included in the cabinet who00:42:50
wants the National Security Council00:42:51
to enter the office of uh, the President of the00:42:54
United States of America, he If00:42:56
something is needed For example, when there were the00:42:59
usefulness of the00:43:00
Prigozhinsky ball, there were contacts,00:43:03
right, at the level of these so to00:43:05
speak former retirees or something, there00:43:06
were contacts00:43:07
ambassador The USA went and met Who is the00:43:10
boss of this sent by the USA Anthony00:43:12
Blinken Who is the boss of Anthony Blendin the00:43:15
President of the United States of America this is how it is00:43:17
decided entrusted or00:43:19
the ambassador you think on its own ran00:43:21
there no commissioned from the White House there is a00:43:24
certain contact intelligence in the same way00:43:27
intelligence always works and the military they00:43:30
work in exactly the same way, the phone of the Minister of00:43:32
Defense work with phones for00:43:34
administrators, the phone is00:43:36
directly connected with the same Naryshkin00:43:39
from the director of the FSB, including that is,00:43:42
different services of the00:43:44
central administration, there00:43:46
is simply intelligence, there is counterintelligence,00:43:49
that is, that is why they and all their00:43:51
colleagues work in exactly the same way00:43:53
as your Ukrainians work here with the00:43:56
American ones. Just considering the level of the fact00:43:59
that these two countries are permanent members of the00:44:01
Security Council, nuclear countries, and00:44:03
plus nuclear issues00:44:05
are discussed every day, naturally00:44:07
between these countries not from Contact, and how00:44:09
can you trust in these contacts,00:44:11
then these people can have some kind of00:44:13
relationship, some kind of connection with those or current00:44:16
officials Yes, who can also00:44:17
sit in this administration, but I don’t00:44:19
think that any official in any I00:44:21
think that’s a plus. Then he goes out00:44:23
there, look, the bers flies00:44:25
somewhere- will they find out anything just00:44:28
that he flew? Well, that means what does the00:44:29
Lord say? Will it go if it turns00:44:31
out some information like this00:44:32
will come out or a leak, yes Well, he won’t fly anymore, he won’t00:44:35
sit in this00:44:36
position anymore, that’s why it was If it00:44:39
always will be this it will be so that00:44:41
this is absolutely not the same level, this is an00:44:44
ordinary newspaper sensation, so to speak,00:44:47
which they want to present today,00:44:49
someone sent it there and they are00:44:51
scrolling it; moreover, they say00:44:52
that America is doing this. America has not done this00:44:55
and will not do it because this is00:44:57
America. it will cost more and this is not the same00:44:58
level, it is not professional, plus if00:45:01
the President of the United States of America00:45:02
says anything behind the back of Ukraine without00:45:05
Ukraine and this is the tactic he adheres to and00:45:08
Believe me, President Zelensky is not the kind of00:45:11
person who, having learned something like this, will remain silent.00:45:14
He will never remain silent; moreover,00:45:17
he knows perfectly well how Today, the00:45:18
fate of President Biden and his team00:45:21
directly depends on the loyalty of00:45:24
President Zelensky and on the00:45:27
state of President Zelensky in00:45:29
his country. Because if tomorrow00:45:31
President Zelensky expresses00:45:32
dissatisfaction and this dissatisfaction00:45:35
is used by the same Republicans, it must be00:45:37
given to him since 2019, he is00:45:40
correctly interfering. internal political affairs of00:45:42
America not Trump not Trump it failed00:45:46
They wanted00:45:48
a showdown it was a mistake And therefore00:45:52
So he managed to gain00:45:53
support well00:45:55
the closer the elections are, the more they will00:45:58
try to attract so this must be00:46:01
understood not to go for this type of canard this does00:46:04
not mean that such a meeting it wasn’t00:46:06
clear that such meetings were yesterday,00:46:08
there will be today, they could happen tomorrow, and00:46:11
the same Kishin Zherduka will end up tomorrow in the00:46:13
same Kremlin, and what will have to be said is00:46:15
what he was instructed to do if the baida or his00:46:18
team needs to do something, if00:46:20
completely different communication channels for sure00:46:22
just like Russia, they have their own communication channels00:46:24
that they also calmly use00:46:26
between Russia and the United States between China and the United States,00:46:31
emphasizing China, the United States has quite00:46:34
strong correct contacts that are00:46:36
needed so that there would be no00:46:39
repetition of the Cuban Missile Crisis, they were there,00:46:40
they were already specially created and00:46:42
That’s why it’s precisely in many issues that the United States and00:46:45
China work so hard on the00:46:49
topic of nuclear weapons, and Prigogine00:46:51
once again revealed this, but we00:46:53
may not like it, I mean for00:46:56
those who wouldn’t want Ukraine to be at the00:47:00
receiving end in these matters Well, you00:47:02
have to understand that this also has nothing to do with you directly,00:47:04
that is, this is the00:47:05
topic of nuclear weapons. The most important thing is that00:47:08
there should not be something that is being done at00:47:10
your expense there on earth. Then I have the topic of00:47:13
Sweden, the topic of nuclear weapons, the topic of00:47:15
these negotiations that are there someone this has to do00:47:17
with the war has nothing to do with the00:47:19
war, what has to do with it I know for00:47:21
sure that those people who work with00:47:24
your military-political leadership are,00:47:25
first of all, the same Austin and General00:47:27
Mila because this is the number one question00:47:29
Today the first question is from her natu00:47:31
Believe me, the reception of NATO is not the main thing00:47:34
Because if the war is won, this00:47:36
issue is automatically resolved,00:47:38
the same look Yes, an idiotic approach00:47:40
was created, it just says,00:47:42
repeated again, first00:47:45
Ukraine needs to defeat Russia and then we00:47:48
will accept it there00:47:50
31 countries out of these 31 countries Who defeated00:47:53
Russia if this is the criterion you00:47:56
set for everyone How many countries will there be then in the00:47:59
same place00:48:00
Ukraine is stuck there to win it is necessary if00:48:03
Ukraine defeats NATO tomorrow Ukraine00:48:05
will not need to ask you for its nature00:48:07
No Maybe you will be our turn tomorrow00:48:09
to accept it it is necessary Yes so00:48:10
to receive the fact that such an army will be00:48:12
strong, here is Turkey’s second army. Yes, you00:48:15
correctly see how many people do not like it.00:48:16
Well, why haven’t they kicked NATO out of this since00:48:20
1952? Because if00:48:22
Turkey is kicked out of it, it must be rearranged00:48:24
to exist, so at least they say Two and a00:48:26
second army you see the third army is not00:48:28
called the third army, you know, and00:48:40
tomorrow00:48:43
Ukraine will become a second or third army,00:48:46
but it will definitely become a third;00:48:57
the program is accepting re-equipment00:49:00
from Soviet weapons to Kanatov00:49:03
standards now at the summit it00:49:05
will have to be resolved. This is a question for that Ukraine -00:49:08
this question has been resolved automatically again00:49:09
for the transition period as soon as Ukraine00:49:11
accepts this advice is not needed, you understand it is00:49:13
already becoming a full member here the00:49:15
main political question is political00:49:17
Will if this political Will is00:49:20
demonstrated, it doesn’t matter how it will be00:49:22
written there. The main thing is that your President00:49:24
Zelensky believes00:49:25
and, first of all, the00:49:27
American President, the00:49:29
Prime Minister of Great Britain, I don’t know00:49:31
which of them he believes more, that is,00:49:33
one of them will convince him, but not like that how in00:49:36
2014 they convinced you not to shoot in00:49:38
Crimea00:49:39
if you were deceived then00:49:43
maybe that’s why he doesn’t believe it can Therefore he00:49:45
demands a legal public00:49:47
roadmap of some kind I understand him and fully00:49:49
support him Let’s hope that something00:49:52
similar should appear I would really like00:49:54
for him to go there, that is, he00:49:56
would have gone there then I would have known, it would have been00:49:58
agreed because00:50:04
it’s a little bit. It means it turns out00:50:08
they can take advantage of it,00:50:15
gentleman, in the end, we have already indirectly00:50:17
touched upon the topic, of course,00:50:19
the consequences of the so-called00:50:21
Prigogine rebellion continue to appear.00:50:23
details and still remains an even00:50:27
bigger question in fact Where00:50:29
is the leader and thugs00:50:31
to the militants dude Wagner now because00:50:34
Lukashenko claims that he is not on the territory of00:50:36
Belarus Prigozhin himself does not00:50:40
tell where he is there00:50:41
some sources in the Russian media00:50:43
report that he is supposedly is still on the00:50:45
territory of Russia and in one of the00:50:46
large cities like St. Petersburg or Moscow00:50:48
a-a However, the United States of00:50:51
America in e If I’m not mistaken in the White00:50:54
House Yes, they said that00:50:57
Prigozhin’s whereabouts are also unknown to him, but they00:50:59
very closely monitor the activities of the00:51:02
terrorist organization PMCs like00:51:05
Do you think Mr. Yunus is disingenuous when00:51:08
they say that they don’t know and This is the first question00:51:10
and the second is still how much00:51:12
attention was focused in the United States.00:51:14
But of course, you and I didn’t communicate with this riot00:51:16
after this march to Moscow.00:51:18
Yours would be very interesting00:51:20
observation hear the00:51:22
Americans when they were looking for Ben Ladan they were00:51:25
disingenuous when they slapped him and not00:51:29
only him and Baghdad and all the others Why00:51:32
tell Ben Lad But what They are watching00:51:34
him 24 hours a day then that monitoring is00:51:37
one thing but we also need to destroy him in the same way00:51:40
and regarding you understand this rebellion and00:51:43
Prigozhin personally today All00:51:46
Americans listened All Americans even00:51:48
listened to Lukashenko’s conversation with Prigozhin00:51:50
they all listened they knew it all They00:51:53
knew before that this was all being prepared00:51:55
so they behaved00:51:57
accordingly and they did not00:52:00
inform Russia if anything happened The topic of nuclear00:52:02
weapons was of concern and they made contact on this topic,00:52:04
so today they00:52:06
know perfectly well where it is and in general what kind of game is going on00:52:08
there, it’s just not00:52:10
shown publicly. Why would you show00:52:12
publicly what you know or what you know00:52:14
that the person you are to behave00:52:20
I’m just that's how an expert from the outside00:52:23
will tell you how I assess this situation,00:52:26
yes, that is, America was aware of everything America00:52:29
America listens to everyone and Lukashenko listens to00:52:31
Putin and the bunker and everything else00:52:33
America is quite informed, so00:52:36
America, in principle, behaves, it’s just that00:52:38
we don’t understand why it this is how he00:52:40
behaves, I explained to you the rule of taxes with00:52:42
Afghanistan and this is the tactic they00:52:44
adhere to, plus Don’t forget in00:52:46
a year there are presidential elections here, the00:52:48
choice is in a year and this year00:52:51
they might be00:52:56
needed The cherry is just as it should be And there is00:53:01
still time00:53:03
That’s why it’s so slow it’s going00:53:06
slowly slowly, but again there is00:53:10
progress, there is progress and no one doubts00:53:12
that the counter-offensive in August in00:53:14
September will be00:53:16
F-16s00:53:18
and even these cluster bombs that00:53:21
the Americans didn’t seem to00:53:22
have planned at all, which means Ukraine stood on00:53:25
this Let’s pump up the00:53:30
civilian population where it’s measured00:53:32
the population, the00:53:38
faithful population, are suffering so much from these00:53:40
cassette attacks, it’s the occupier who00:53:43
is there,00:53:44
and not only that,00:53:46
so now, as for this rebellion,00:53:50
as I drew an analogy with Afghanistan, the00:53:53
same thing is a political crisis, so it00:53:55
quietly manifested itself and it showed00:53:58
firsthand what we really are like now it is00:54:01
fashionable to say the Kremlin towers there is a tough00:54:03
confrontation, what we saw we00:54:06
only saw the tip of the iceberg,00:54:07
moreover, they are trying to present information to us00:54:10
that this is not entirely true.00:54:12
Look who we thank, the President of00:54:15
Russia, everyone who betrayed him, I started00:54:18
thanking the army that refused to00:54:21
protect him, who is his brother with these I00:54:26
forgot about the Prigozhins, the only thing who defended him00:54:29
was these pilots who did00:54:34
n’t even remember them, they weren’t even00:54:37
remembered for this. Prigozhin wasn’t even00:54:38
punished, he rides on his plane as00:54:41
you want, that is, the topic is closed there for one00:54:44
Facebook post against the war they give a person00:54:48
there this sentence of 25 years kills00:55:04
who rallied around the Kremlin What kind of00:55:06
people did we see in Rostov-on-Don? Everyone was00:55:09
sitting at home And half were kissing flowers00:55:11
and so on fraternizing with the same00:55:13
Wagnerites, which means the people, here they are, the00:55:16
special services, the special services, in general, where they00:55:20
were unknown, reached the Kremlin Yes, you can00:55:23
say 200 kilometers00:55:24
during the time of Gorbachev, the CChP was one to one,00:55:29
as I said. In one of the interviews,00:55:31
Prigozhin crushed the00:55:34
sacredness of Putin’s power with his sledgehammer,00:55:39
so this is exactly what00:55:42
Putin’s authority did today, and today Putin’s authority reminds me of00:55:44
Gorbachev’s authority after the CCHB, after00:55:47
several months, Gorbachev was no longer in the00:55:51
Kremlin and the Soviet Will it be the same?00:55:54
repetition here It may well be00:55:56
how long it will take, it’s impossible to say for sure;00:56:01
moreover,00:56:03
he thinks that he is not Gorbachev and he thinks00:56:06
that he didn’t eat because in00:56:09
1987 the00:56:12
international and domestic00:56:26
intelligence service is00:56:29
because they decided not to protect him00:56:32
further forward Yeltsin was given ahead of Yeltsin00:56:35
and then the same special services dumped Yeltsin and they00:56:38
themselves came to power, created a00:56:41
criminal oligarchy,00:56:43
built a country to get into the concept, the backbone00:56:46
was broken and the oligarchs who were00:56:47
favored by Berezovsky, Gusinsky,00:56:49
Khodorkovsky and many others, and everyone00:56:52
else was built like Abramovich,00:56:54
Deribaska, everyone else came up with their00:56:57
own new ones, and this is how they have Moscow00:57:00
this is a thief in law And this is everyone watching00:57:02
inside the country and around the world, including00:57:06
people like00:57:08
diamonds all over the world, natural resources00:57:11
went Naturally, and with the same money00:57:15
they bought up the entire decent civilized00:57:17
so-called world,00:57:25
and so on and so forth,00:57:28
we pass through the00:57:30
result You see that by00:57:33
your current president goes to Bulgaria, sits the00:57:36
same in Slovakia, half the population of the00:57:39
Russian00:57:40
Czech Republic is exactly the same,00:57:44
and00:57:47
this is inside Russia, and there are also more than 10000:57:50
oligarchs who are all over the world today. And where is the00:57:53
money, both in Europe and in America, and he00:57:57
went on adventures. That’s why they flew to you00:58:00
there this is the same00:58:03
Macron Scholz and dredges at the beginning of the war, then00:58:06
they flew to Moscow and begged him, what are00:58:10
you doing? We've been making this kind of money for 20 years,00:58:12
trillions, you're cutting the [ __ ] where you're00:58:15
sitting, you need it00:58:17
Calm down, the Americans are eating, they00:58:20
ate, in 2008 they started a reboot with me,00:58:25
Nord Stream 1 2009 I 2014 went00:58:29
what did they do, don’t shoot, they said they00:58:32
shot Nord Stream 201700:58:53
didn’t work out and this is what didn’t00:58:56
work out I didn’t work out why00:58:58
Because the Ukrainian people stuck their heels in, they00:59:00
changed the agenda for everyone And for00:59:03
him personally and for the West and today there is a00:59:05
different status, a different agenda and00:59:08
this is a crisis and these oligarchs00:59:11
who today began to understand and00:59:14
the special services began to work with them,00:59:15
everyone is working with them just like the00:59:19
same Abramovich in Istanbul who just00:59:21
showed up a year ago00:59:23
because he understood He was told come on00:59:25
move, it didn’t work out for you He was told,00:59:29
let’s do this, he sold all the money for a common cause to00:59:33
Chelsea And now here’s the situation No,00:59:36
you won’t get this money Dear, go on, let’s00:59:38
continue and these are all these oligarchs that with00:59:41
more than one person, no one is in any way00:59:42
connected with this or that tower because00:59:47
the special services are putting the roof on this crime, according to the00:59:51
concepts, they make money there Look00:59:53
who is there criminal00:59:57
business went Here they are01:00:00
so that it is clear that01:00:04
some country is happening there and this01:00:07
trail of Putin is one of the towers And maybe01:00:11
even several01:00:13
Mitya that has not ended now behind01:00:17
the scenes what is going on behind the scenes the01:00:19
struggle between these towers between the01:00:21
special services of various special services01:00:24
between the fiscal authorities and Kadyrov01:00:27
is watching and gold is watching and the governors01:00:31
who say 45 of them already Wagner even01:00:34
created small Wagner people for themselves01:00:38
and Naturally they understand what if tomorrow the01:00:41
king falls naked and who will go01:00:45
to the Kremlin today Or maybe the same Kadyrov01:00:47
may be the same gold because who01:00:50
commands today in Russia, everyone who01:00:53
has forces, who has money, and01:00:55
therefore they are closely watching this in01:00:57
the West. They understand that they are01:01:00
only concerned about nuclear weapons. China is01:01:02
closely monitoring this. So they are watching and01:01:04
they listen and don’t believe in the fairy tales01:01:07
told by Alexander Grigoryevich01:01:09
Lukashenko, everyone knows how it was, what it01:01:12
was and where it leads. I think that01:01:15
Russia is following the path of the Soviet Union,01:01:17
definitely just a01:01:32
Ukrainian soldier will be driven in some year. I do01:01:35
n’t doubt it because it will already01:01:36
lead to a final crisis and01:01:40
somewhere centralization of the entire system of01:01:43
Putin’s power. I have no doubt about it;01:01:45
this is the law of the genre;01:01:48
we will end today on this positive note.01:01:50
Thank you, Mr. Yunus, for01:01:54
helping in such detail in general and in simple words, as always, to understand the01:01:56
truly complex events in geopolitical01:01:58
issues through the prism of the war in Ukraine01:02:00
Thank you Mr. young political scientist from the01:02:02
United States of America in the past the01:02:04
chief of staff of the government of01:02:05
Azerbaijan joined us today01:02:07
friends be sure to Like this01:02:09
conversation if you didn’t do so at the beginning01:02:11
I would like these words today’s01:02:13
words of support including uh, these are the01:02:15
individual points that01:02:17
Mr. Yunus paid attention to, heard by as01:02:20
many people as possible, subscribe01:02:21
to YouTube channels Dmitry Gordon Olesya01:02:23
batsman visiting Gordon in order01:02:24
not to miss anything Mr. Yunus01:02:26
Thank you friends Thank you for being01:02:27
there01:02:30
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