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a village in the Odesa region is just around the corner,
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in this quiet village, there has never
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been such a thing, just the other day in the forest,
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they found the body of a girl in the forest,
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it is hard to believe what happened to her, it will
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shock you, but it did not happen here. Without love,
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incredible rumors and versions are creeping in, and be
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afraid to let it go the child will be played with
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because such an evil person is walking around,
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they said that they poured vodka on her, he
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poured vodka on her, he foamed at the mouth and blood,
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such cruelty is what will be done to the child.
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parents Well, what's more, love is actually here.
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Ukraine is talking about it
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today. Hello, I'm
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Aleksey
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Sukhanov. The girl's body was found by
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chance. They found the dead girl on the screen.
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Volodymy was walking with the girl through
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the forest plantation and suddenly he saw
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something suspicious in the bushes. He touched it with his foot.
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and I noticed that there
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was a little blood on the back and on the jacket or T-shirt,
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and we all ran out of here
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immediately. The guy is still chastising himself. He thinks
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he could have saved her if he had come to the place
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a little
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earlier. Please meet Vladimir
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[applause]
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Konovalenko
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[music]
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Hello Valo, please.
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So you were walking with your
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girlfriend in this forest and suddenly
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you came across a body. Yes, I realized that it was a
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man because there were
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a lot of people at first, but now it was like legs. Well, you
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immediately released the police ambulance.
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I
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said, I'll call, I'll tell you,
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please, was it sprinkled on yours
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or was it just thrown, well, it was put on, that is, they
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hid it?
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Yes, you
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touched her. Well, I didn't touch her. The
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police had already arrived. And they said
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that she was a woman from the time
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the police came to inspect you. How much time had passed
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because it was so hot?
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So,
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the police came and you were also there, what did the
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girl look like, the
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girl's body, well, they took her out. Ugh,
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she was, like, neat, everything was dressed
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normally. They found a purse there, as if the
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books from school were left, the phone was in place.
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nothing, she was wearing pants and
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blouses, like pants, they were
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fully dressed, yes, everything was neat, and you said
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foaming at the mouth, yes, there was a lot of foaming at the mouth,
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that is, you also managed to consider
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it when the police already arrived, when
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the police already arrived, nothing caught your eye
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there are no cuts, there are no
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traces
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of such a thing. Well, there is blood, that’s what, somewhere,
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too, near the bald spot. There was foam and blood. And you
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will be shocked when you find out what
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happened to the twelve-year-old child. Pay
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attention to the screen. The
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sexual act was later during the
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additional examination of the corpse
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directly in the morgue. established
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cause of death from strangulation Yes, you
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can imagine what you need Inside
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yourself and how you need to get drunk in order to see an
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unhappy sexual object in this girl.
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Well, the point is that there is
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another nuance here, first of all, girl, I don’t know
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if this is included in the case or no, but
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she is sick, the girl clearly has signs of
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certain diseases, and at the moment Well, for
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example, epilepsy is an example, yes, when a
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person with a sudden fright begins to have an
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attack. And who knows, it can be at the moment of
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sexual harassment. the
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rapist has nothing left
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How to put everything back, that is, there and so
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far, and that is, it turns out that it is quite
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possible that you face-planted there, it was
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sex, it is quite likely because you
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look
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at the blood of Pena and the blood of Pena, this is the first
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sign that there could be an epileptic
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seizure, but on the other hand,
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it means that the forensic medical examination
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showed that the girl was indeed
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raped and strangled, and then she was dressed
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neatly and neatly. And why not,
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seriously, why don’t you
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shock the young child, who is
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forced to die?
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there was alcohol, that is, there was
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alcohol, I don’t know how much, well, it was
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said that there was alcohol of this
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or that concentration forms this
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or that behavior, and libido
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is completely suppressed on the second
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dosages, it is necessary, I
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completely agree with it, even a
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small dose would not have
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shown that the examination would have worn out because the
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mice would be
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relaxed, what kind of sex are we talking about, she
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looks like a child, she doesn't look
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sexually
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attractive, then we will talk about a
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rapist as a completely different person,
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as a real maniac.
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traces that determined some kind of action, and
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about the foam you can think of anything you like, or
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anything could be involved. a
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deformed personality
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from the beginning. For some reason, it is not clear to
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have any sexual claims
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against a girl who is absolutely None. Only
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this
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girl is an absolute child of 12 years old.
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Tell me, were you not afraid to report this to the
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police because surely suspicions
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could fall on you? I was so afraid And how did
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your girl react, because you were
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together, you started to explain something to her, and
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you found something. Well, she was afraid,
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she was calling, she came to this place, she
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came to you, where was she?
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It stung like a
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seventh-grader from the village of Novoslovka
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was returning home after school and did not
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reach home. We invited the family of the
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dead girl to the studio, but the relatives
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said that of course they
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were in mourning.
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I know, Mom is a
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lover
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there. The only thing that happened was that
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they were surrendered. There
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were such screams there. But there they were walking
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all over the place.
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She didn’t like someone else, so she was looking for an
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angel somewhere on the side. Otherwise, what is the
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name of an angel? Veronika is our next heroine.
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I ask you to pay attention to the screen is a
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terrible tragedy and unbearable pain. Lidia
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Popek sees every day how hard it is for the
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loved ones of the murdered girl to go through the loss. She
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lives next door to a family that is almost related to each
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other, and poor Veronika, for her neighbor,
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was an innocent, sincere girl for her granddaughter. And
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all the bad rumors about her are absolute
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lies, meet Please, Lydia
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Nikolaevna, I am asking you.
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So, you are
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a neighbor, you knew Veronika all the time.
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No, not all the time. They moved to our
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neighborhood literally last year at
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the end of the summer. Ugh, but despite this, they
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became like family. They are very good people,
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all of Veronika’s family. Tell me what she
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was whatever you
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called her, you know, a bright child,
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so positive, you gravitated towards her,
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you know, my husband is sick, he
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sat on a bench near the yard all the time
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because, well, there was not enough communication,
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she would always come and ask, and see how you
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feel today I'm
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somewhere in the garden. And what do you do?
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Always communicate with each other. It's always with
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my granddaughters who came. That's
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all. I knew that she writes poems and I'm
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burning. I wrote what I even had to do.
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Now the book of Veronika's collections is coming out,
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and the book is coming out in full. Well, I don't know in general
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whether the collection was collected or
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what the teacher said. She will come out and
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I will bring you one copy. I
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always tell her Veronika while I
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work here, you would read your poems, she
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says so modestly. she
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never
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bragged, she never bragged, she didn't
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brag, she was nothing like that, you know, she
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was a normal, modest, bright child,
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that is, you really had nothing bad
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about her at all, absolutely,
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absolutely, that is, she was a very sociable
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child, she was sociable, but she was very
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drawn to you because there was not enough
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there is no communication at home. Why was there
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communication at home? The sister rarely comes to
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them because she works. The
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older sister means that mom loves dad.
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Everything is fine. Listen. Do
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you remember the day when this
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happened? How did you find out about this day? My
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daughter called me. from the village, she lives there in a
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five-story building, my mother says,
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they found some girl murdered, I say, Listen, our
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neighbor was looking for Nika and that's all. I went into the
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room without anyone. He
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looks at me like that, he doesn’t know what to say, then
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he says no. Nobody
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else. I just heard that she
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thought that she was here. They could imagine that they were
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killed. No, because she
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could, you know, go for a walk or something. For
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some reason, I think so. She is with friends
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somewhere. I went for a walk and could maybe go, I’m
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still talking to Lena, maybe she went to her
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grandfather’s house, to her grandmother’s house, that’s what she says, I
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called her, she’s not there.
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Ukraine and how and why they killed the
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12-year-old Veronika Timofeeva, what
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really happened and is it true that this
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girl was in love with her killer,
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which means the murder of a 12-year-old girl, a
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local young man is suspected a
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one-year-old
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young man, in particular, it was
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established that she was supposed to
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meet on this day with Zakir Oleg, with
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whom, as it was later established during the pre-trial
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investigation, she
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met a month and a half before
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the previous one, let's say
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that he admitted his guilt in the
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soden at the moment the arrest warrant was served
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notification of suspicion of
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committing a crime provided for in
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Article 115, part 2, paragraph 2 of the Criminal
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Code of Ukraine, intentional murder,
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responsibility for the commission of this
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crime is provided for by the Criminal
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Code, imprisonment from 10 to 15 years
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or life imprisonment, you
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recognize this
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suspect, you know him, I know him,
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and what are you Oh, you know, Volo was a friend in the early morning,
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then
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they put him in jail. Wait for him at 9 p.m. He has already
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spent time in prison. Dan. How long did he spend?
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I don’t know how many years he spent. Why
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did it happen that there is a woman who lives at the end of the street?
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We go to the cash register through the stadium. to
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receive money at the post office and as if she had
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already left there and he hit her on the head. Yes,
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this is the same thing. Apparently, he wanted money.
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Probably, this is the same because everyone knows that it
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means that she received the money there or
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that he received a 4-year term for it. She did not. She
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died, no, she didn't die.
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She had this very shock. Well, in general, what do
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you think, Oleg really
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could kill you on purpose?
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You know, I don't know him, but I know
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her, that she is a very trusting girl.
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You know, at that age, they
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really trust adults. And how
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there was a girl Such a trusting girl
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and simple That's how 3 kopecks are simple And that's
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what this Oleg is, what's he, how
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could they be together, a
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twenty-year-old boy and a teenage
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girl, Volod. What do you think, I don't know, it
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seems to me that it's simple
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yes, yes, if he
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met her, VKontakte and
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social networks are
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well-known, that’s what these dating sites have been for a long time,
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they could have had some
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sex at all, I’m talking, he
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shows a photo and she is some
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Well, I don’t know, somewhere around 14, maybe 15, I’m
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talking But where is she, little one?
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что да
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яду к девушке сейчас Well, Physi, Nikolavna,
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but this girl could
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really be interested in Oleg
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Veronika. I don't know. She's so trusting,
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but she talked to everyone. Well, don't look at
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that, have you seen her walking with him like a
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guy with a girl by the hand in the village They are walking.
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This is with someone else. Yes, or with
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someone else. Tell me, we can
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assume that she has adult behavior. She can
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assume that there is no moaning. I can’t care.
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Forgive me. The photo is not a child. The
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girl is a child. You understand that it is a
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child.
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That is, she was like that until she
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died, not even the signs of a girl. No, I'm
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sorry, she was very young in the past,
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because you're sorry, at 12
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years old now, sometimes there are such young ladies
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here, she doesn't look like 12.
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that's a
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reblet child, because that's how friends, that's what
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happened that day in the forest.
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Now I ask you to pay
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attention to the screen. Oleh Zakira's mother
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is convinced that her son was deceived and
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framed. That evening, the young man was at home fixing the
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motorcycle.
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to everything to
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save his son from prison,
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Oleg proves that he could not kill the girl, he is
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simply not capable of it, that he raised his hand on the
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girl, especially 12 years old, 13 years old, that's
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a child, I don't believe in
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attention, Oleg's mother came to us,
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meet please,
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Tatiana, please Did
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you know Veronika? No, I didn't. Did you
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know that your son communicates with her? No, she didn't
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know that he communicates with girls. She knew that
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he had a girl.
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he talked on Contacts of girls and
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corresponded on the VKontakte site and
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he corresponded with many people, well, I didn’t
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think Tatiana was what kind of girls. He’s
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like that, and he would have different
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girls’ looks. Well, I told you. I guess
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I was just looking. He showed
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photos of girls and what ages they were,
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18 21 even he was 22, his peers, it's just
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that Veronika is
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12 years old, I already found out after all
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this, you are sure that your son is
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today
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этого не программы, but why then
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they detained Oleg and not the neighbor, or for
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example, the Lord did not bring Volo. And
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because he already had a criminal record. Ugh,
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and in the village, only that happens at once, first of all,
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they go to the colleague and take away the
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olegrs. Please tell me, this is not the first
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case And do you have proof of his
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innocence? Well, I don't know what time
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the murder happened, but he was at home at 5:00
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p.m. He came home in the evening. He talked calmly. the
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next day when it
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already became known And the next day I
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already accidentally found out that he is a policeman Uhu
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Please tell me one question
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such a simple crime of such a plan
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that in this case we can say
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some kind of pathology in the criminal then the
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girls with whom he communicated should have
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been suitable under one, some general
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type, you say that you saw his
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girls, that is, what are they? Well, on the outside,
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that is, what kind of girls are they?
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They detained Oleg. No, I didn’t know, but
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the police explained to us that they were suspicious and
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why they were accusing him of paying attention
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to the students, who were so familiar
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with the teachers of the school. Eyewitnesses were established
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who saw how
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they were busy after they left.
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We assumed that the person could to be
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involved was an invitation, as he explained
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from the beginning that yes indeed he
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communicated with her that day he met her and invited
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her to the landing
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near Rauhovka, of course we
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wanted to meet with Oleg himself, but
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we were denied this request because of the
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secret investigation.
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No,
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I was in contact with her. He was in contact with her, and
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I saw it later. Tatiana, look here, are
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you really trying to
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protect your son, which is understandable
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because you are a mother, or are you
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hiding something while protecting yourself? No, I am not hiding anything, so he is from you.
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He hid that day. Yes, at 2:00 a.m. He
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called a girl with whom
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he had an agreement on the phone. Oh,
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the phone didn’t go missing, but the phone was in
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his place. No, that’s him. Hey, did he call at 2:00 a.m.
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or not? It turns out that I don’t know anyone.
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I didn't understand the details of the murder.
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12-year-old girls shocked us and
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obviously shock you. All this is further
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here in the program. Speaks Ukraine, be afraid to
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let the child play because
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such an evil spirit walks around. the
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following hero is absolutely sure
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that Veronika loved Oleg very much and everything
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they had was by mutual consent attention
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to the screen about love affairs Oleg
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always told his older brother he shared
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with him his victories on the intimate
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front he talked about many girls his brother
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says female attention was not enough for Oleg
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He hears that
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his brother liked sex with underage girls. So,
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please meet
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Sergey, I am asking
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you, Sergey, hello, hello, did you
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know that your brother is meeting with
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Veronika? I knew that he was meeting with a
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girl, but it was Veronika.
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I go to Dev
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all the time, I know, and that is, you didn't
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know that he was 12 years old, he
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had many girls.
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he didn't talk about his girlfriends,
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well, he didn't delve into it, at least with his
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brother, too, and his brother also had his
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secrets, he would tell the details, and
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what he talked about, he stayed
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there for fun, but it was like a rascal, there was no
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competition with him, for example, who had more
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girls than these, of course It was even
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interesting to compare who has more, here
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I am asking about this, that is, did
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you have any competition between brothers
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who has more, where? Well, who is more?
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it’s
00:23:28
easier than ever, a competition for the number of girls,
00:23:32
Sergey, tell me please, nuno. Did
00:23:34
you know that Oleg had
00:23:39
very small girls, I didn’t know about their age,
00:23:42
how old they were, that they were as young as 12 years old, well, listen.
00:23:44
Well, in the village, they say that.
00:23:48
Well, they say that’s how he
00:23:51
brags on VKontakte, it says that
00:23:53
Vereniki is 14, not 12. Well, even if it’s 14,
00:23:56
excuse me. Where were you this evening? I was at
00:24:00
work.
00:24:08
рождения было меня still congratulated
00:24:09
Nene. And at work, someone can
00:24:11
confirm that you were there, for example.
00:24:24
his brother, yes, he met me
00:24:26
because I gave him money.
00:24:50
it was the other day,
00:24:56
how did
00:24:58
we manage to find a personal diary that
00:25:02
will reveal the secrets of this shocking and
00:25:05
confusing story? the
00:25:17
guy went to Odessa on the
00:25:21
train, it was in Odessa
00:25:24
on the train, and he went to
00:25:28
Odessa.
00:25:46
And you, Tatiana, are also sorry, I am
00:25:49
guilty, because it seems to me that
00:25:52
love is obedient at all ages, but in general, it is
00:25:55
beyond the limits and on the verge of building a
00:25:59
relationship with a twelve-year-old girl,
00:26:01
say that it is normal. you
00:26:05
know, the whole village
00:26:07
knows, so the girlfriends know that
00:26:10
someone is calling, someone is meeting at the school,
00:26:13
they say they are coming, well, Maryn,
00:26:16
you can spread as much as you like with your hands, in general,
00:26:18
for Dava, it’s living with newborns, one
00:26:21
strength yes yes not right
00:26:26
no The
00:26:28
point is that It's normal in the village
00:26:30
No one thought that such an end What does it
00:26:32
mean is normal I don't what does it mean
00:26:34
Normal It's not normal when an adult
00:26:37
man meets a 12-year-old girl
00:26:39
it's not normal it's not normal to
00:26:51
meet there we are
00:26:54
relatives The whole village knew And you don't know two
00:26:57
angels are sitting like that for the first time
00:26:59
that's what I want for you now,
00:27:01
show your attention to the screen
00:27:04
Friends, I sat on VKontakte and then I
00:27:07
saw that someone in friends has
00:27:11
Oleg
00:27:12
Zakir and looked at his page and
00:27:16
then 15 minutes later
00:27:18
he sent me an application, friends, then
00:27:23
wrote Hi, and that's how we started chatting
00:27:27
exactly Hello, he asked how are you doing, everything is
00:27:29
like, studies, what are you doing,
00:27:33
when did we start
00:27:35
communicating, well, we corresponded on the same day, my
00:27:38
mother wrote him a message, and then
00:27:40
we talked for another day or two, and everything was nothing
00:27:43
special, nothing
00:27:46
criminal, he asked how are you doing, what do
00:27:50
you do, but it had this is a
00:27:53
little bit of coloring that I didn't
00:27:54
like too much. I don't know how to
00:27:58
say it correctly. Well,
00:28:01
a little bit gently can be a little bit. That's
00:28:03
like joking, well, I didn't like something
00:28:07
in this correspondence. That's how
00:28:09
the child addressed her, the child. What are you
00:28:12
doing, it's time to go to sleep, she
00:28:14
writes there, I'm not a child. Oh, no, you're a child
00:28:17
there. Well, somehow, a little bit, a little bit,
00:28:20
a little bit, somehow, that way, well,
00:28:21
it didn't seem quite
00:28:23
right to me. Well, I took Dasha's tablet and
00:28:26
wrote on her page that I'm
00:28:28
in control of everything. Well, somehow after this, he
00:28:33
corresponded very little with her, literally, that's all for that, so
00:28:36
your brother
00:28:39
tried to meet another young girl there.
00:28:43
What's strange, what's up, what's strange, what's
00:28:45
up, why does he live with his
00:28:49
peers? I'm
00:28:51
talking to you, my mother, it's real, my mother
00:28:54
intervened, it's possible This girl would have been
00:28:55
in Verona's place, there is a moment, you know what these
00:28:58
girls are like. They always hide their
00:29:00
age, they write that they are 16, that they are
00:29:03
18, and VKontakte, when they are in contact, Olesya, yes,
00:29:08
God knows, it's possible, of course,
00:29:12
it means to write. from
00:29:16
the photo, it is not obvious that the
00:29:19
girls are, for example, not 18, not 16, but obviously
00:29:23
there
00:29:26
1214,
00:29:28
pay attention to the first class of the girls. Everything is
00:29:30
sufficiently developed, the pectoral
00:29:32
muscle is developed, and other signs of girls are developed.
00:29:42
show that she is an owl, you will tell the story. The
00:29:45
fact is that people say that
00:29:47
on that day there were cows grazing nearby and a
00:29:49
company was sitting there. Yes, there is a power there, the two of us
00:29:56
got along well. In computers, they
00:29:59
even took a mouse from me in the evenings. It sits like this
00:30:05
[music]
00:30:09
listen to me I wanted to say, when
00:30:11
we
00:30:14
discovered it, when the trifle was stolen,
00:30:16
then you were friends, when they were driven to Moscow, then you were
00:30:19
friends, computer friends, but now you are not
00:30:23
friends, but now, when
00:30:26
it was still, when it
00:30:29
was after this, you no longer communicate with each other.
00:30:34
you wanted to say I
00:30:37
wanted to say that I was leaving somewhere already
00:30:40
from boarding and someone was shouting from behind the
00:30:43
railway, someone in a nervous voice like, don't
00:30:47
go there, you're going there, like a nervous
00:30:49
voice,
00:30:50
exactly, two people somewhere
00:30:54
despite the fact that from behind the
00:30:56
railway, someone shouted at you not to go there, he didn't
00:30:59
shout at us, he just heard that
00:31:02
someone And you didn't immediately tell the police that
00:31:04
there were [ __ ] cry hysters, I said
00:31:09
Why did I say that I heard voices
00:31:11
when I left means the most important thing that
00:31:15
Oleg gave a confessional statement to the police, the
00:31:18
attention of the screen was initially
00:31:20
indicated
00:31:22
that he liked to communicate with her,
00:31:25
and the self-witness also caused
00:31:28
positive emotions in him, as he believes that
00:31:30
on her part there was sympathy for him because
00:31:33
they spent
00:31:35
time together several times, but the time was
00:31:39
enough- they spent Let's say it was
00:31:41
normal, they just met,
00:31:44
they had conversations based on his words, it is possible to
00:31:48
assume that between them there were
00:31:52
perhaps even romantic relationships,
00:31:55
which means that the investigator is talking about the fact
00:31:59
that there were
00:32:05
relationships.
00:32:09
it's flr when
00:32:12
it's VS courtship he experienced it in
00:32:14
prison and he wasn't wanted by this
00:32:16
person so look at it he
00:32:18
meets sexually more seniority
00:32:21
ska he meets older
00:32:24
people psychologically psychologically And
00:32:28
mentally and spiritually he lacks exactly
00:32:30
this Because if you fulfill your
00:32:32
age-related task No matter what you do,
00:32:35
you do it right. And he didn't do it.
00:32:37
He sat in prison. And that's why he
00:32:38
meets them and lives with others. That's why
00:32:40
he had an emotional problem. He was the
00:32:42
same person for 16 years, when
00:32:45
he sat down, it turns out that he really
00:32:48
couldn't sleep. with
00:32:50
veroko cannot develop when there are
00:32:53
20 people in the cell, Oleg still confessed
00:32:57
that they had sex by consent,
00:33:01
attention to the screen, entered into sexual
00:33:03
relations with this, even несовершеннолетние, ето
00:33:06
малолетный человек обюдный Wow, let's say
00:33:09
consensual Besides, his intentions
00:33:12
were not what aggressive
00:33:14
towards her, it happens that the police
00:33:17
find a person who was in prison,
00:33:19
and the easiest thing for them to do is hang on him with a
00:33:22
stick
00:33:32
This is not the first time.
00:33:34
He also had a criminal record, and the same thing.
00:33:37
They signed it. They closed it at the age of 16, and that
00:33:41
is, then he did not attack my grandmother.
00:33:43
No, my grandmother was not on trial. Well, there was a trial. Well,
00:33:48
preparation for the trial did not begin. she
00:33:51
said to him, "That's
00:33:53
not the boy who hit me."
00:33:55
Ukraine will speak very soon. The whole
00:33:58
truth about the relationship between a 12-year-old
00:34:00
girl and a murderer.
00:34:14
Veronika's diary speaks for
00:34:17
itself, here everything is simply painted with
00:34:19
knowledge in love, it is Oleg, the girl
00:34:23
even wrote poems all about him,
00:34:26
the notebook is taken by Katya, Veronika's friend,
00:34:28
she still can't believe that love
00:34:30
for her friend has become
00:34:33
fatal and so, please meet my
00:34:35
friend Veronika
00:34:39
[applause]
00:34:42
[music]
00:34:44
Katya, I'm asking you, how old are you, by the way,
00:34:48
12, you're with me, too, 12 years old, at least Blood
00:34:51
and milk, let it not be
00:34:54
cold, where are you
00:34:57
sitting, Katyush, what is this, this is
00:35:00
your diary, Veronika in your hands, how did he get to
00:35:03
you,
00:35:04
how did we sit? I drew it
00:35:08
and she left it to me louder, that is, she
00:35:10
left it to you Yes, she kept it with you
00:35:13
Yes, I don't know why she
00:35:17
trusted you so much, she was afraid of it, she wore it at home, she
00:35:19
trusted you, I do
00:35:20
n't know, but she wore it to school,
00:35:24
yeah then when we were sitting drawing
00:35:28
She left it with me So
00:35:30
you probably already looked at it in this diary
00:35:32
Well, she herself showed me what she
00:35:35
writes about Here you can see some
00:35:38
kind of secret let's write a secret
00:35:41
2013-204 I like to read It's yours
00:35:46
girlfriend, I love Oleg, he is handsome, smart,
00:35:49
desirable, strong, brave, the most beloved
00:35:52
person in the world, who I am, whom I
00:35:54
love. Well, why, from the very beginning, soon I
00:35:57
want to dedicate a poem of my own
00:35:59
composition to Oleg, and I hope he will read it and
00:36:03
understand how I love him, I have already written it
00:36:06
and no one he doesn't know about it And what kind of
00:36:09
poem did he read to you this
00:36:11
poem yes It is in this in this
00:36:15
diary this
00:36:16
poem show us it here
00:36:19
you can
00:36:21
read it In my dreams you appeared the
00:36:24
only one I love you IS you Olezhik is my
00:36:27
only one In the arms of Your arms yes
00:36:30
Many, many Secrets, they are always everything
00:36:34
from mom to my beloved. I need to say something.
00:36:37
Don't believe anyone. I sincerely want
00:36:40
to admit that I love you.
00:36:49
the girls
00:36:51
here are more like romance and her feelings for
00:36:53
him are not about events, just a
00:37:03
small, well, a small girl, yes,
00:37:06
who does not understand how these people can
00:37:08
listen, if she was just in love,
00:37:11
if she was just in love, then for
00:37:12
sure she could agree to sex, she
00:37:17
could, of course, she could
00:37:21
be in love I could agree,
00:37:24
the question is
00:37:25
accepted,
00:37:34
they are dating boys, it is accepted,
00:37:36
not accepted. Girls in your class are walking with boys. I am
00:37:41
walking. In principle,
00:37:43
it turns out that your girlfriend was walking or
00:37:46
not.
00:37:55
3 years
00:37:58
ago, she started going out at the age of 9. She already had a
00:38:01
boy. Yes, she
00:38:03
went out there a lot, talked to many people. Yes,
00:38:07
she preferred to
00:38:10
choose boys older than herself.
00:38:20
romantic interests, she told me
00:38:23
that she went out with them there, they drank something,
00:38:28
I mean Yes, yes, and she shared about her
00:38:32
relationship with you in general, you
00:38:34
probably chatted as friends, and
00:38:36
as far as I understand you were very close
00:38:38
friends,
00:38:42
yes, she told me that you went out there too they
00:38:46
walked many times, too, along the landings, Uhu, they
00:38:50
kissed directly, I don’t know, she didn’t tell me, and the
00:38:53
girl blushed, they kissed, and
00:38:57
before that, She said that after
00:39:00
school they would go for a walk, and he would wait for her. And she
00:39:03
directly said that Oleg would wait for her.
00:39:05
Near
00:39:07
the school I don't know, but he wasn't near the school,
00:39:11
but he met her. Is it possible to say
00:39:13
that they kept their relationship a
00:39:15
secret? Yes,
00:39:16
it is possible. Simona, that is, they
00:39:19
hid their
00:39:20
relationship.
00:39:28
I wanted
00:39:31
to ask if Oleg was the only one she had,
00:39:34
or maybe she had
00:39:35
some other boy who
00:39:36
liked her, and she, for example, kept him
00:39:39
aside, a boy, wasn't there a
00:39:43
rival, well, only Radik Radik, and what kind of
00:39:46
Radik Radik Kushnir is she she talked to him too,
00:39:49
and emu How old is she 16 and emu 16
00:39:53
years old Uhu, that is, she preferred, I repeat again,
00:39:57
Veronika is always older than herself, guys, yes,
00:40:00
listen to her, you are a good-looking woman. Well, she is
00:40:03
literally every day in front of you,
00:40:06
Veronika, as far as we understood from
00:40:10
these records in her diary, the girl was
00:40:13
absolutely
00:40:14
in love. I didn't watch it, she didn't share it with
00:40:17
me,
00:40:18
krol, you understand how a person
00:40:21
comes to the subway, she is a passenger at the wheel of a
00:40:23
car, she is a driver, when she
00:40:25
came here, she was like people, she
00:40:27
was at a neighbor's house, she understood that the neighbors were
00:40:30
talking to her she
00:40:32
could not trust her parents with everything, even her girlfriend, that is.
00:40:34
As far as I understand, she was a really
00:40:36
good child with her parents and
00:40:38
was very well brought up. And what was
00:40:40
already happening in her world. As far as I understand, she
00:40:42
could not always share with you because
00:40:44
she did not want to to introduce you to Oleg
00:40:46
Because I understand that Oleg If she took
00:40:49
into account that she might for some reason not even be
00:40:51
worthy of Oleg because for her Oleg He
00:40:53
was probably the best man in her
00:40:55
life because he was older, this is a very
00:40:57
important factor and he is her second I accepted
00:41:00
her as she is, according to you, the songs are
00:41:02
probably critics, and that is why, according to this,
00:41:05
they had such a certain
00:41:06
connection, well, this is my personal opinion, here it is not
00:41:08
always an adult daughter, my mother will tell everything,
00:41:11
and this little girl knows her world and can
00:41:14
write poems Veronika actually I lived in a
00:41:17
world invented by myself because
00:41:19
puberty occurs at the age of 12, when
00:41:22
children brag to each other, this is a
00:41:24
completely normal thing, someone
00:41:27
understood me.
00:41:37
the child was
00:41:39
completely correct, he compensated for his
00:41:41
childhood, which was stolen from him, in
00:41:43
her she might want something
00:41:45
more.
00:41:54
Is she not feminine?
00:41:56
Why, even in her poems, she does not
00:41:59
understand what real physical
00:42:01
love is. She writes about it as if it were something so
00:42:04
magical. There
00:42:06
can be some kind of touch. it
00:42:11
gave her the
00:42:14
opportunity to feel equal to
00:42:16
her peers, that is, to be equal
00:42:19
with them, and this is the diary Why did he
00:42:20
stay with a friend so that the friend could
00:42:23
witness the fact that Veronika is not just a
00:42:25
girl, that is,
00:42:27
she is in that, and in couples there is a motorcycle
00:42:31
Listen, but in they don't speak very well
00:42:35
about Veronika in the village. Listen,
00:42:38
please, pay attention to the screen. She was
00:42:41
bad at her. Everyone at school
00:42:45
was clinging to her. They even ran after her for something in
00:42:48
the village. She moved to study from our
00:42:51
school. I
00:42:57
had sex, I
00:43:02
know that only a lot of people, and I don't know exactly
00:43:07
which ones. Well, look at this, this is the guy
00:43:10
talking about the fact that Veronika smoked and
00:43:14
drank. And you also said that she
00:43:16
still allowed herself to drink. an
00:43:23
ideal child, lead Nikola, you
00:43:26
want her in your circle, there can be only
00:43:29
one child, you know at school they are
00:43:31
alone on the street, they are others at home, they are third
00:43:34
why they are at home They are in no hurry because
00:43:36
at home the control is in no hurry, and the fact that
00:43:38
she was here as a child yes indeed
00:43:40
We saw что это чистый бельнок
00:43:43
Veronika. How did it turn out that she was a
00:43:46
virgin? Was there any attention on the
00:43:48
screen before this?
00:43:53
Contact by all indications sexual
00:43:56
contact was on that
00:43:58
day and it is not clear whether it was the first time or not the first time.
00:44:07
signs that the
00:44:09
child had a sexual life before that, our
00:44:12
suspect Oleh Igorevich indicated
00:44:15
that he had no intention to kill, he
00:44:19
still cannot explain everything to the
00:44:21
end What exactly happened between him and the
00:44:25
victim was sexual intercourse And during
00:44:29
which he held the victim with his hands behind
00:44:33
her neck.
00:44:34
What is he referring to? Maybe he
00:44:39
held her a little harder than it
00:44:43
was possible. He didn't control himself
00:44:46
at all. He understood that she was dead because he
00:44:50
tried to feel the pulse, but as he
00:44:53
explained, he himself was confused at that moment
00:44:55
and didn't understand anything. He left because he
00:44:58
was scared Well, I will say such a thing. Purely
00:45:01
hypothetically, it is possible to assume that in
00:45:04
a rush of some kind of ecstasy or such a
00:45:06
state, he could not calculate his strength. Can
00:45:10
you imagine if a person working all day
00:45:12
at work in the village does not write with a pen,
00:45:16
but in the village uses a shovel, can you imagine
00:45:18
what he has the power
00:45:21
in the evening, that’s exactly what I understood, just
00:45:24
a girl like that, the skets said
00:45:27
[music]
00:45:28
hypothetically, and
00:45:30
physically she is very thin, but not
00:45:32
quite, as if not fully developed.
00:45:38
all the
00:45:39
same, he grabbed her by the neck, then of course he
00:45:41
could literally strangle her, and
00:45:43
everything could, you know, there could have been such a
00:45:45
moment in my life,
00:45:47
when a person fell down and choked on
00:45:49
vomiting reflexes, there could have been such a
00:45:51
case, I already know that, raznyaznyuk
00:45:53
ver, it could simply be appropriate, if these actions are
00:45:57
so mutual, yes, there could be such a case that
00:46:00
really, maybe she drank alcohol and maybe
00:46:03
at some point she could in principle
00:46:06
choke, there could be such moments in
00:46:08
principle, but there are also if you, for example,
00:46:11
keep her somewhere in the area neck, she
00:46:13
accordingly went to pna, yes, I
00:46:16
understand that there was a case where she simply did not
00:46:18
have enough air for her lungs, speaking of Ukraine,
00:46:20
immediately after advertising, everything happened, in
00:46:24
truth, it is her own fault that a
00:46:30
quiet village in the Odesa region is
00:46:33
in shock. Almost a week ago, a
00:46:35
child of a twelve-year-old girl was killed there. in
00:46:39
fact, this happened today in the
00:46:41
talk show Govorit Ukraina Veronika
00:46:45
was in love with Oleg and they both wanted sex,
00:46:48
so why did he
00:46:51
strangle her? It could have been a sexual game
00:46:54
in the bushes. I do
00:46:58
n't think he
00:47:01
would have scared her if he was
00:47:04
scared. And who dressed her then? She did
00:47:07
n't hold herself by the throat, the truth is that
00:47:09
he held her, that is, it was his sexual
00:47:11
game. it's
00:47:18
simple, here's what I think, because once she
00:47:21
wrote it, then she said it to Him
00:47:22
somehow, and now I
00:47:24
think it
00:47:34
can
00:47:35
be changed, you know, in fact, in
00:47:37
rapists, they have such ambivalence. As a
00:47:39
rule, there is
00:47:40
dependence on the mother with a
00:47:43
dismissive attitude towards her. What is
00:47:45
manifested and to women, including women, that
00:47:47
is, they are somehow dependent on women, but at
00:47:54
the same time, this is the reason for
00:48:01
such a brutal
00:48:05
murder, precisely because of Oleg.
00:48:08
Tell me, please, tell me
00:48:10
about Veronika's family,
00:48:14
how prosperous it is and whether it was
00:48:17
Veronika is really such an abandoned
00:48:19
child who cares.
00:48:36
control, I
00:48:39
can't say it's normal people, a
00:48:41
normal family, and in general, I didn't notice that
00:48:45
she was somehow generally
00:48:46
loose and like that because she's
00:48:48
sociable, so positive, such a
00:48:50
smart boy, you know, she never
00:48:54
wanted mom to dress up and
00:48:58
dress up, Mom, I don't want that
00:49:12
How many children are there in Sam? How many children are in Sam in
00:49:15
this family? I
00:49:34
don't ask. I see her that
00:49:38
she understands even in the World Cup that she is closed,
00:49:42
she doesn't want to talk to anyone at all.
00:49:45
I don't know why we always have a
00:49:48
normal relationship with her, but she is
00:49:51
now in such a state that she doesn't want to
00:49:54
live with her pomaete. with this grief, she is
00:49:58
looking for and waiting for Veronika all the time,
00:50:00
and she is looking for her everywhere in every corner of her
00:50:03
yard. Well, I don't know. A normal family
00:50:07
can't be like that.
00:50:10
Their three-month-old girl died because
00:50:12
she burped and there was no one
00:50:15
around. help
00:50:19
for the Sun in the world about the World Cup, you
00:50:24
are talking about a little child, you can
00:50:27
wait, and maybe the death of the child
00:50:29
happened with Veronika, then Veronika
00:50:32
suffered a lot. Why am I telling you that
00:50:33
she was attracted to small children?
00:50:42
brother, you know, the water is
00:50:44
lowered because he
00:50:46
lacks a friend and a sister, and this
00:50:50
whole family is like that, and in the fist they say
00:50:57
that it is stolen.
00:51:02
that's it, guys, she's sick, she's sick, and first of
00:51:07
all, first of all, she has hypertension,
00:51:09
secondly, she's here these days, she's here
00:51:11
when we three times, it was scary to look at her,
00:51:13
I'll calm her down, Lena,
00:51:15
calm down, she'll come.
00:51:17
no one is lost among us,
00:51:19
her lips are blue, her fingers are blue, everything is in her
00:51:22
heart, she swallows these
00:51:24
pills endlessly, that is, she is
00:51:25
really sick, the older daughter is now
00:51:28
not paying attention to her on the screen,
00:51:30
the only thing we know is that she is as
00:51:32
bad as she is Girls
00:51:33
she was
00:51:37
always screaming there, she could raise her hand to her.
00:51:39
Well, how did they play here? The
00:51:42
little girl, when she was born,
00:51:45
stood there, Veronika was pushing her here in a stroller,
00:51:47
and here's the thing: their sister
00:51:49
died, we just boiled the month,
00:51:51
sister. That's it, that's it. the girl
00:51:53
always looked after her, and they say that she
00:51:54
dropped it.
00:51:56
No, that's not
00:51:57
true. She just choked when she
00:52:00
belched my eyes, and everything for children
00:52:05
is the responsibility of the parents, and when your daughter is 9
00:52:10
years old, as Katya said, yes,
00:52:14
Veronika's friend starts dating guys, it
00:52:16
seems to me it's a little early,
00:52:19
no, yes, Olesya should be interested in her
00:52:22
life. Yes, Natasha, I understand. You should
00:52:24
ask. Yes, for example, two hours is a
00:52:26
lot after school. Believe me, for a small
00:52:28
child, this is a large volume. of
00:52:33
your
00:52:35
lawyer's position, because I'm sorry, I
00:52:37
can already see the consequences, unfortunately, yes. When you
00:52:39
started to tell, you say She
00:52:41
said that she was going for a walk, that is, a girlfriend.
00:52:44
She didn't say where they went. They
00:52:45
roughly know that it is Oleg.
00:52:49
can
00:52:51
look at the mobile phone so on
00:52:54
she they they have never seen him near the school it
00:52:56
could be anyone it could be Oleg Vasyl
00:52:59
Petro it doesn't matter this is a person older than
00:53:01
this girl yes he has one interest
00:53:03
she may have a completely different second
00:53:06
The moment is very important she is to you she won't
00:53:08
tell you why, because you will tell
00:53:10
her mother, that's why she used in her world
00:53:13
here, you understand, here such a moment, unfortunately,
00:53:15
probably, after all, her world remained with
00:53:17
her until the end of her days in this world, that
00:53:20
is, she was really like that, well, in
00:53:22
what- that's the degree of an absolutely abandoned
00:53:24
person Red Riding Hood I'm
00:53:26
the script of Red Riding Hood, which
00:53:28
in general is a fairy tale, as it were, from a
00:53:30
psychotherapeutic point of view, about a
00:53:32
mother who sent an ambassador or allowed,
00:53:36
and we will.
00:53:40
advised her to
00:53:41
walk through the forest where the wolf lives. She did not
00:53:43
warn her that it is
00:53:45
impossible to stay with the wolf, and this fairy tale, you will understand
00:53:47
just that in fairy tales, good endings in
00:53:49
life, endings that are just terrible real
00:53:52
endings when the wolf eats Little Red Riding Hood
00:53:55
and That is understandable. sex
00:53:58
I love the forest I know Yes no Well, this is what I
00:54:01
know for sure that when she fell in love, she
00:54:04
experienced it very seriously, I am
00:54:06
not talking about poetry anymore.
00:54:13
to give a correct assessment of what
00:54:15
she does to
00:54:17
open up to them means that the situation in the
00:54:19
family was the one that
00:54:21
most likely pushed her to make a decision about
00:54:23
which she probably did not know
00:54:26
anything about a little bit shared with you
00:54:27
a little bit with you good Natasha Well what
00:54:29
to do here indeed, a 9-year-old girl
00:54:32
begins to meet with boys, to
00:54:34
watch correspondence, to look into
00:54:37
phone books, to check phone
00:54:39
contacts, to check things personally, but a
00:54:42
teenager also has a personal space
00:54:44
that no one should violate. I did
00:54:49
n’t come for 10 minutes. I already did hello to him. I
00:54:51
think it’s necessary to
00:54:54
watch the child like this. Hello, the phone doesn’t answer after
00:54:56
that. It means you have to go to school. It means you have to
00:54:59
look for a mother. A child, a boy or a
00:55:01
girl, will live until 100 years old. God grant
00:55:03
him until 150. You will always be a child. you know that a
00:55:06
child can't come up with a
00:55:08
lot of things, I'll explain there is a logical chain,
00:55:10
there is a school, there is a house, it is constantly delayed
00:55:13
for two hours, that means there is some reason You
00:55:15
can ask the girls from friends,
00:55:18
you can simply
00:55:20
meet her near the school without informing her, or nearby you
00:55:22
understand adults you still have to
00:55:24
help, you don't necessarily have to engage in
00:55:26
pressuring, turn on the table lamp and
00:55:28
interrogate her until night time, you don't need it, you
00:55:30
just need to talk,
00:55:33
you understand, talk, everything started with the child,
00:55:35
you just need to be friends Trust Trust
00:55:38
You know I don't know who made it
00:55:41
because it's a consequence of course even
00:55:43
to be understood, but the reason for the death of the
00:55:48
twelve-year-old Veronika is that the children are
00:55:50
often left alone with themselves.

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В лесополосе нашли тело задушенной 12-летней девочки. Милиция задержала 21-летнего ранее судимого местного жителя Олега. После уроков парень на мотоцикле забрал девочку со школы, чтобы подвезти ее домой -- в соседнее село, но домой девочка так и не доехала. В студии «Говорить Україна» выяснят, что же произошло на самом деле.

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