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I really wanted the00:00:11
Ukrainians00:00:13
to win that victory in this confrontation, which, in00:00:16
fact, we all wish for them because of00:00:20
course they are working today with00:00:31
thoughts about one thing, in fact, it is00:00:34
that00:00:37
the war ends and00:00:41
[music]00:00:43
that00:00:46
Ukraine wins.00:00:49
So00:00:51
that in Russia there will be a change regime00:01:03
to say that at first the fighting00:01:06
will practically be punished in Berlin, so I cannot00:01:09
answer these questions, what would it be like if my00:01:11
family were in Moscow, I think that I00:01:14
was like those demonstrations that00:01:16
my friends are going to today, they00:01:18
would pour brilliant green on me, as this has already00:01:21
happened in my life00:01:29
I, too,00:01:30
[music]00:01:32
live in Berlin.00:01:34
So,00:01:37
probably if I hadn’t left,00:01:46
life00:01:51
would have been more difficult00:01:53
not even because00:01:58
something would have happened,00:02:00
perhaps it would have00:02:03
happened because00:02:06
[music] the00:02:12
atmosphere00:02:15
in Moscow is very difficult, in fact, that’s00:02:19
how they say00:02:22
friends00:02:24
in general00:02:25
[music]00:02:32
the faces of the00:02:35
metro people are gloomy and00:02:38
people understand that00:02:43
in general00:02:45
something00:02:53
tragically unfair is happening00:02:57
and00:02:58
many are afraid of simply00:03:01
mobilization00:03:05
Which now00:03:08
hangs over every man00:03:12
like some kind of ax00:03:15
and living under an00:03:18
ax00:03:21
is difficult for a person00:03:24
psychologically00:03:27
existential service the00:03:35
feeling that history is spinning around the00:03:40
same thing along the same paths and the00:03:43
same pattern is repeated endlessly,00:03:46
it00:03:49
very constantly appears in the head. This00:03:54
reading is actually very depressing,00:03:58
but not to mention the fact that there are constantly these00:04:01
exclamations: Ok New Year, we will be back by00:04:05
Easter, we will be back And next year we00:04:08
will finally meet together in St. Petersburg00:04:10
or Moscow These people whom I knew00:04:13
when they returned to Moscow after 5000:04:17
years I knew and am happy with a lot of old people00:04:20
returned00:04:22
in the early sixties due to00:04:25
migration to Russia and their children00:04:29
left again Here we are the road there and00:04:32
back and again there and back is00:04:35
some kind of00:04:40
stereotype of Russian history. I would say00:04:42
this is the same there and back, I00:04:45
have a file on my computer00:04:48
called there and back when I00:04:50
add up all these materials, there’s a lot of them, it’s00:04:52
very interesting00:04:55
because the Putin regime is not the USSR,00:05:01
it is00:05:03
not as00:05:05
durable and not as00:05:12
self-sufficient as the USSR.00:05:15
So00:05:25
people of engineering professions and00:05:29
IT specialists will not reach the New Endoground. And this is all in fact00:05:32
extremely large damage and how it will be00:05:35
restored. I don’t understand,00:05:37
but there will remain a very powerful organization00:05:41
that deals with protection of public00:05:45
order in all respects,00:05:48
everything else will gradually disappear, at00:05:51
least this trend is now already00:05:53
observed,00:05:55
obviously in00:06:03
Russia, a country where women00:06:06
play a huge role, despite the fact that the00:06:09
country is led by men,00:06:11
that in my circle00:06:15
from an early age I met many00:06:19
more bright, very significant women00:06:23
than men in Russia actually the00:06:27
quality of women Please forgive me,00:06:32
but from my point of view in Russia the quality of00:06:35
women is much higher than the quality of00:06:37
men00:06:41
[applause]00:06:42
[music]00:06:47
But once we had a drink00:06:52
with one very serious writer00:06:58
[music]00:07:02
commercially very successful00:07:06
and he is absolutely00:07:08
serious I00:07:11
asked how00:07:15
ideas come to you.00:07:18
I said you have to00:07:22
wait for the full moon to00:07:28
get up00:07:34
early00:07:37
when it’s still a bath. The Moon is already Dawn.00:07:47
It’s advisable to undress in winter00:07:51
and enter the Russian00:07:55
Birch Forest00:07:59
and then run away and00:08:04
hit a Russian birch tree with all your might.00:08:08
And that’s when00:08:11
the idea00:08:21
actually comes to me. were00:08:25
before00:08:33
once it was 7 years actually00:08:38
[music]00:08:40
I can’t00:08:44
start a new novel every year actually it’s00:08:46
necessary to accumulate00:08:49
literary sperm00:08:53
So you need to be00:08:58
able to remain silent It seems to me that a00:09:02
writer00:09:06
should be able to receive Unless, of course, you00:09:11
just make money00:09:15
and00:09:16
this is painful of course it happens and well00:09:23
[music]00:09:25
comes and the idea of00:09:29
soaking it out00:09:33
doesn’t make sense,00:09:37
so you need to00:09:42
do something else,00:09:45
but00:09:47
now this is the00:09:50
right question because00:09:57
during wars it is written poorly or00:10:02
not written at all.00:10:05
Please note that all the00:10:08
great novels00:10:13
are written in wars after00:10:17
after they are00:10:20
over because00:10:24
war is00:10:26
such an initially powerful00:10:29
phenomenon that00:10:32
it is like a00:10:34
funnel, it00:10:37
sucks00:10:41
not only the energy of life, as it were, but00:10:46
the energy of ideas, as it were, and00:10:50
no00:10:53
vacuum is actually formed00:10:55
and00:10:59
This is, firstly and00:11:01
secondly, a00:11:03
writer00:11:06
needs distance00:11:10
in order to discern00:11:16
its phenomenon, you need to see it as a thing, as if yes. That’s why00:11:25
it must00:11:27
take place and petrify,00:11:31
if it is its movement, well,00:11:36
it’s possible00:11:39
to describe the language of00:11:43
literature and keep up with it, it’s just that it will00:11:47
quickly become outdated,00:11:51
so I’m00:11:54
not writing now,00:11:56
in any case, I’m doing it Bykov But00:11:59
I’ve written a lot lately,00:12:02
someone has been writing, as they say,00:12:06
you can only be happy00:12:15
or not while I know that there are quite00:12:18
a lot of Russian writers and artists00:12:20
somehow00:12:22
Unfortunately, I don’t communicate with anyone from this00:12:26
relationship Volodya has a much00:12:28
position, he has some kind of00:12:31
social circle like I understand,00:12:36
but I ended up00:12:40
in Berlin quite early. It was 800:12:46
8, the00:12:51
Berlin Wall was still there,00:12:55
and since then00:13:02
many project friends have appeared there00:13:06
and, in fact,00:13:08
friends not only00:13:12
Russian-speaking, but also Germans00:13:15
and00:13:16
[music]00:13:18
diaspora00:13:20
cultural It is replenished because00:13:23
many left for this a year00:13:29
ago there were a lot of Russians,00:13:33
but the00:13:39
creative00:13:41
intelligentsia is leaving, composers,00:13:48
writers,00:13:54
actors,00:13:57
artists,00:14:01
that’s actually00:14:02
[music]00:14:06
Berlin in general is a00:14:08
powerful cultural capital,00:14:13
something is constantly happening there,00:14:15
so it’s00:14:17
not boring there,00:14:26
the generation of grandparents spoke very little about00:14:30
themselves, they preferred to remain silent,00:14:34
but the fact is that many years00:14:37
after the death of my grandfather I got his00:14:41
diaries and for me it was an amazing00:14:43
discovery00:14:47
and the first discovery was the lists of books00:14:50
that he compiled for himself starting from00:14:54
his school years when he00:14:57
wrote about what books he should00:14:58
read in this year What books00:15:01
should he read Next year and in general00:15:03
And when I saw these lists, I realized00:15:06
that he and I are one, that these lists00:15:09
completely coincide and Although I saw him00:15:13
only once in his life, he came out of his00:15:16
last prison in 1955 in 195600:15:21
he already died That is, I was 13 years old00:15:23
when I gave birth to him, but I am very grateful00:15:26
to fate that after all this meeting00:15:28
took place and in a sense00:15:30
some transfer took place because00:15:34
I still feel like the heir not of00:15:37
my parents very intended, namely00:15:40
my grandfather who read the same books and00:15:44
which very many of us have the same00:15:48
assessment parameters So this is how it00:15:51
turned out00:15:56
in response.00:15:59
I also had00:16:00
more00:16:02
influence from my grandfather00:16:05
than from my parents, in fact,00:16:09
firstly because he was born in00:16:13
1885,00:16:17
he was a00:16:19
forester, a hunter, he lived00:16:25
all his life00:16:26
in the forest00:16:28
and he00:16:33
preserved, as if it were such a00:16:39
bridge to the 19th century. Well, to the00:16:49
Christian world like00:16:51
this, but through this I learned a lot00:16:56
in general, as it were, of00:17:00
Russian life.00:17:02
So00:17:04
[music] my00:17:09
parents were already00:17:12
Soviet people, treated as if by00:17:16
propaganda.00:17:18
So I00:17:23
understood that00:17:28
grandfather In general, he00:17:34
was not an educated person.00:17:37
He did not have a00:17:46
university education.00:17:49
But he did not have this00:17:53
Soviet ideology00:17:57
and, in fact,00:18:04
he was a00:18:09
freer person00:18:13
than my parents00:18:18
[music]00:18:27
another00:18:29
brother of my grandmother, so00:18:32
he00:18:35
was00:18:38
repressed.00:18:39
So tried 6 years of camps,00:18:47
it amazingly retained00:18:51
humor and, in fact,00:18:57
interest in life and00:19:01
love of humanity.00:19:04
I also learned a lot from him,00:19:17
followed from my Jewish ancestors00:19:19
who, in fact, constantly00:19:23
joked and told00:19:26
various jokes in the most difficult00:19:28
circumstances of life. I think that this is00:19:30
my hereditary Jewish00:19:33
No no, what else did he write that00:19:38
laughter is the last00:19:42
Bastion of a slave,00:19:45
that’s00:19:46
humor and vodka,00:19:50
these were two00:19:53
shields from00:19:58
Soviet power and00:20:02
Soviet ideology, of course00:20:07
because00:20:08
[music]00:20:10
Greek ideology wanted to make a00:20:19
machine out of Homo sapiens, an00:20:21
obedient machine00:20:27
that00:20:30
will decide everything for a person00:20:33
[music]00:20:35
him00:20:37
the opportunity to choose00:20:41
to believe in something00:20:44
other than communism00:20:48
and00:20:52
left him to live with God and in life,00:20:58
but00:21:02
despite00:21:05
her power, mercilessness,00:21:10
despite the00:21:13
millions of people killed in00:21:16
Holland,00:21:24
she could not destroy humor in people and00:21:28
I think this is just00:21:32
one of the00:21:36
proofs of the00:21:38
divine00:21:39
nature of man.00:21:43
So humor00:21:48
for me is like00:21:50
air, simple and I actually follow00:21:55
[music]00:22:03
for the great00:22:07
humorists but00:22:13
representatives of the grotesque00:22:19
fransoirable Gogol00:22:23
Hans Bulgakov00:22:28
these were00:22:32
great writers Well of course yours00:22:36
anyway00:22:46
Ice is part of the00:22:50
ice trilogy of a00:22:53
great novel it was published in English00:22:57
in German here00:22:58
[music]00:23:02
in Spanish only one part has been released,00:23:10
this is actually an attempt00:23:13
to look at00:23:16
the history of the 20th century00:23:20
from some00:23:22
new angle,00:23:26
as if to see it00:23:30
through the eyes of00:23:33
some very00:23:35
strange00:23:37
mystical sect00:23:40
and00:23:42
to look at00:23:45
humanity, too,00:23:48
these00:23:51
members of this brotherhood00:23:55
call people00:23:59
meat machines,00:24:03
this is theirs00:24:05
a look at humanity00:24:09
But it was00:24:11
[music] a00:24:13
great novel enough and of00:24:20
course00:24:25
I won’t00:24:28
interpret it, it’s none of my business,00:24:32
but00:24:34
they repeated that00:24:39
this is an attempt00:24:41
to return to the 20th00:24:45
century the00:24:46
Revolt of the masses,00:24:50
as your Great00:24:55
Philosopher wrote, artery00:24:59
and the actual age of total violence00:25:06
and states00:25:09
over the people of00:25:20
Germany they wrote that this, well, the00:25:24
writer apparently had a00:25:26
hangover.00:25:29
But00:25:31
every day, well, as if the00:25:38
critics began to remain silent and more and00:25:42
more people began to say that00:25:46
somehow00:25:51
our reality00:25:54
is becoming similar to this book,00:26:05
you know, I’m actually not a fan00:26:07
making predictions so far all my00:26:11
predictions have not come true so I00:26:14
will refrain from making predictions00:26:19
there was such a poet00:26:23
[music]00:26:27
Underground00:26:29
Soviet00:26:31
Yan Satunovsky00:26:34
and he somehow very well Once00:26:37
formulated00:26:40
one thesis that00:26:44
literature is a00:26:50
conscious Premonition00:26:53
And predictions are invalid00:26:57
conscious premonition and actual00:27:03
remember, we can guess something,00:27:06
feel something,00:27:09
but00:27:11
we, like you, do00:27:15
n’t see the future,00:27:21
we can feel something00:27:25
sometimes,00:27:27
this is a very subtle moment, actually, and I’m00:27:31
against00:27:37
speculation00:27:39
around this because, well,00:27:43
something happened with the00:27:46
oprichnik theory00:27:49
[music]00:27:53
one since it worked00:27:56
Well,00:27:59
good,00:28:01
but that does00:28:03
n’t mean that I have00:28:07
to go00:28:10
some formula00:28:15
[music]00:28:16
some00:28:18
optical00:28:21
device00:28:23
that I see I00:28:29
don’t see the future00:28:41
as long as my books sellDescription:
Русские писатели Владимир Сорокин и Людмила Улицкая после начала войны с Украиной покинули Россию и живут в эмиграции. В Барселоне они оказались по приглашению каталонского культурного общества. И на встрече с читателями и почитателями рассказали не только о своём отношении к войне и к Путину, но и поделились секретами творчества. Что значит «накопить литературную сперму»? Зачем голым входить в берёзовый лес? Почему русская женщина качественнее русского мужика?
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