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so this is not something i was really
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expecting to do but the amount of
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amazing comments i received on my first
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upload of this video has really pushed
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me to come back and to take into account
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a lot more of the deaths i failed to do
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so originally
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this means factoring in a much larger
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percentage of death from not only the
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civilian population but also importantly
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trying to factor in the death from
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wounds and diseases caused by war
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something that i originally completely
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omitted given that i was unable to
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really find any sources at least in
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english that would help me get to a
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better understanding of such a number
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for japan at this time
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this resulted in my initial rough
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estimate just consisting of battle
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deaths on the field that we knew of and
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not prolonged deaths as a result of
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conflict now the original number i came
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to in the end of my first upload for
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this video was an estimate of around 335
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000. a number which many of you
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rightfully pointed out seemed a bit low
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given that i was trying to account for
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nearly 150 years of history you guys
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were absolutely right to criticize that
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number it is low and a large reason as
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to why it was so low was because i was
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only accounting for numbers we do have
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documentation of and then using those
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numbers to speculate on the rest
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this is also once again why i originally
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failed to account for more of the
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civilian death and death caused by
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disease and famine we just don't have a
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lot of accurate data regarding those
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numbers something which i will try to
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account for better this time around
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now this video will be a re-edit of the
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original one so some parts will be
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exactly the same as in my first attempt
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yet other parts will be largely
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different but the last thing i want to
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bring up before we dive back in is just
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some of the other comments i was seeing
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on the original video comparing the
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singokujidai to other major wars that
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occurred largely in europe plenty of
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which were even from wildly different
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time periods while others like the 30
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years war was a bit more comparable now
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obviously there are a lot of great
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comparisons to make when looking at
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japan and europe throughout history but
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it is extremely important to remember
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that comparing militaries is something
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that is often risky to do we need to
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keep in mind that for a large portion of
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the singuku period many samurai families
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only had an army that consisted of
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several hundred to several thousand
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troops we don't start seeing larger
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coalition samurai armies until much
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later in the period because of this i
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want to remind people that we often
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cannot and should not compare fully
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formed european kingdoms or empires to
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that of individual samurai clans yet
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with that said there is still a lot of
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great things we do know from european
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war which we can realistically take into
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account for finding our new total here a
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lot of which i completely steered clear
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of the first time around as i was
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hesitant on how much of european warfare
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i should have factored in if at all
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but with that said let's jump back in
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and first start off by once again adding
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up the numbers of casualties from major
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battles that we do know
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obviously it would be completely
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impossible to know the exact number of
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deaths for the period the time frame is
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just too big and we don't have nearly
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enough documentation or accurate numbers
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to properly come anywhere near the
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correct answer but given the information
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we do have we can formulate an idea of
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just how many may have died specifically
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between 1477 and 1615
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now i know some people like to say that
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the sengakuchi dai really began back in
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1467 at the start of the onin war
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however i personally do not like to use
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that start date because i view the
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majority of the conflicts during that
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time as a wider extension of the onion
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war itself this is why i consider the
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official start date of the sinkoku
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period to be right when we consider the
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owning war to have ended
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so then with that said let's jump in and
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start off by trying to figure out how
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many battle deaths we can estimate
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through the entirety of the period once
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again i want to remind you that these
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numbers are in no way exact and i
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welcome anyone in the comments to come
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forth with their own theorizing as to
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how many deaths there may have been
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also i need to mention that i'll be
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primarily focusing on the battles that
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occurred in japan and not during the
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later invasion of korea the imjin war
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but i will try to account for those
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later as well
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but right away one of the first issues
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we come to is the documentation of
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casualties the more famous period of the
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single kujidai essentially starts around
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the rise of nobunaga and his victory at
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okejama in 1560. from that point on we
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have a much more thorough depiction and
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understanding of the battles that would
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occur moving forward from the fourth
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battle of kawanakajima in 1561 to the
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battle of nagashino up through
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sekigahara and later the sieges of osaka
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it is from 1560 to 1615 that we see the
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real height of the singuku period this
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is the phase of the era that has become
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the most storied throughout the years
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but it makes things a bit difficult
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because a lot of the earlier battles are
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not as well recorded we have a lot of
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detail into when they happened who they
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were between and in many cases how many
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soldiers were present however losses are
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not always listed
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and speaking of listed you may be
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wondering what sources am i using to
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calculate these numbers well being that
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there is no mass database of sengoku
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jidai battle deaths i'm unfortunately
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forced to rely upon the numbers given on
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sites like wikipedia however i have done
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my best to not only review what sources
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the wikipedia articles suggest but also
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cross-reference the numbers with
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whatever other finds i could dig up as
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well as numbers i could find in some of
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the various books i own
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this is a challenging process and like i
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said finding any true accurate number of
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all the deaths would be impossible all
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we can do is come to a rough estimate
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so the first thing i want to do is try
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to calculate the numbers we do know
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numbers that i could find or in some
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cases guess at due to what would have
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been reasonable given surrounding
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situations through this i have compiled
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a list starting in 1555 with the battle
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of miyajima from there it includes most
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of the major battles of the period
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moving forward the battle of okehizama
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the battles of kawanakajima the battle
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of anegawa the massacre at mount hee the
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battle of mikatakahara the battle of
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nagashino the battle of tereorigawa the
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battle of yamazaki the battle of
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shizugitake the battle of komaki
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nakakute the first siege of ueda the
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second siege of ueda the battle at the
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kuisegawa the battle of sekigahara
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and both the winter and summer sieges of
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osaka
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combining all the numbers i was able to
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find or form an educated guess at
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regarding these conflicts altogether
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come out to equal around 175 000 dead if
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we round up
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now as far as i'm aware these values
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that i was able to find already do
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account for losses that were incurred
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from wounds so for this value i am not
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going to account for any extra wound
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deaths but i will for later values that
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we will get into however there is still
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a lot that can be said in terms of
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disease but this is where things are
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going to get a bit tricky because once
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again i just don't have a lot of data to
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go off of specifically for japan so this
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is where i'm going to use some ratios
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from other conflicts ones like the 30
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years war where disease is accounted for
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what is estimated to be around maybe
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two-thirds of the actual military deaths
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so that would mean that we would be
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adding an additional 350 000 deaths to
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our total bumping it up to 525 000
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overall which is already higher than my
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previous estimate where i was not
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accounting for diseases
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after calculating these values the
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largest amount of death in any single
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battle is without a doubt the battle of
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sekigahara now as i mentioned in my
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actual sekigahara video there are a
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couple of different estimates as to how
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many people actually died on the field
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that day with most sources saying
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somewhere around thirty thousand yet
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others going so far as to say as much as
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sixty thousand for this calculation i
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chose to use the more realistic thirty
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thousand estimate because of this we
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roughly come to the idea that over the
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course of the six hours the battle was
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fought an average of perhaps five
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thousand men were being killed on the
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field per hour and of course if we were
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to use the more devastating sixty 000
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dead number that would mean that the
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death toll would double to around 10 000
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per hour but if we are just relying on
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the more widely accepted 30 000 dead
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although it would be the single
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bloodiest battle in all of samurai
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history in terms of actual percentage of
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damage inflicted by two armies onto one
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another the fourth battle of kawa
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nakajima appears to be much more of a
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meat grinder as both the takeda and
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uesugi would lose roughly 20 percent of
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their armies to each other that day on
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the field
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yet in terms of armies being completely
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annihilated both the battles of
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nagashino and mikatakahara win out
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however if we were to add up all the
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dead from both sieges of osaka into one
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overall number that would be the most
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dead of any samurai conflict ever coming
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out to what i estimate to be somewhere
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around 58 000 dead over the course of
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both the winter and summer sieges
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so going back to the original number i
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stated we need to remember that this
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number only accounts for the battles
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sieges and conflicts that i listed as
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you are probably well aware i left out a
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ton there were countless other campaigns
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skirmishes and wars throughout the
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entirety of the period that are much
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harder to find actual numbers for
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so this is where we are really going to
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start pulling numbers out of thin air to
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try to come up with a reasonable idea of
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how many may have died
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i need to warn you that this is where
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we'll be getting into a bit of math and
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my reasoning behind how i'm going to go
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about doing all these calculations if
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you think you'll find that boring and
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you don't want to watch all that please
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just use the timestamps below to skip
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ahead to my final calculations later on
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in the video
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now it is no secret that as time went on
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during the single could you die the size
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of armies grew bigger as lord's domains
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got more and more massive this means
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that over time the death toll from
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battles would obviously rise too
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so for this what i'm going to do is take
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the blueprint of casualties from other
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battles and apply them to segments of
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time multiplying them by amounts i will
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go over in just a minute
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now the way i'm going to go about
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separating the eras of the singukuchi
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die will be threefold the early years so
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the time going from 1477 to 1520 the
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middle years 1521 to 1568 and the later
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years 1569 to 1615 each of these eras
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are around the same number of years in
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length
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so then let's start with the early years
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how many soldiers may have roughly died
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during the first few decades of the
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sengokujidai
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well the blueprint number i'm going to
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use for the average amount of casualties
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from these early battles would be around
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500 in smaller battles to 2000 in larger
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battles
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this is just an estimate i came up with
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after looking at the army sizes of an
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early battle like that of arita nakaide
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morimoto nari's first battle and victory
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which occurred in 1517.
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however since this range is just a rough
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guess i'll be using a nice middle value
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of 1250 casualties
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as for the actual calculations although
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numerous battles and skirmishes would
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have taken place over the four decades
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this early period consists of i am
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choosing to use this number around three
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times per decade
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why three well i would say that the
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first two would be good to account for
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any major battles that would have
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occurred with a third put in to account
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for all other minor clashes added up if
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you feel i should be using different
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numbers please let me know your thoughts
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down in the comments
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so if we break it down each decade is as
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follows multiplying 1 250 times 3 for
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each decade we get 3750
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dead in the decades ranging from 1477 to
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1487 1487-1497
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to 1507 and 1507 to 1517 with an
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additional 1250 added in for the three
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year period between 1517 and 1520. this
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adds up to
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hundred and fifty 16250 during the early
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years of the singukuchi die
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once again this is just an estimate
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however it is here i'm going to try my
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best to factor in probable deaths from
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wounds and diseases
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for calculating wounds i looked around
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to try to find a reasonable estimate as
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to how many wounds resulted in deaths in
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other medieval battles what i was able
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to find was that it appears that roughly
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for every two soldiers wounded you would
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also have one death now this is just a
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rough idea as a multitude of other
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factors would be needed to be taken into
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account but for our estimate this is the
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method i'll be using to help us get some
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values so it is here we're going to
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essentially just double the number to
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account for wounds that would end up
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resulting in a fatality this brings our
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new number up to 32 500 but now let us
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also factor in disease death using the
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same method i used before accounting for
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diseases and applying it to our initial
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value would bump this number up to 65
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000 which in my head seems like it might
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be too big a number given the size of
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clans at this time but let's still go
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ahead and use it for our estimate
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now on to the middle years it is here
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i'm going to use the fourth battle of
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kawanakajima as my blueprint for army
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values we get a middle casualty value of
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around 3650
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but being at the fourth battle of
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kawanakajima was probably one of the
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largest battles that occurred during
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this time frame i'm going to subtract 1
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000 from this number just to be on the
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safe side
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so then we are looking at perhaps an
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average of
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2650 dead per battle during this time
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however since we do start to know more
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details regarding the death tolls from
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battles during this period i am not
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going to multiply the number by 3 but
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instead just by 2 per decade
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just like i did before multiplying this
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number by 2 for each decade we come out
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to around 23 850 dead once again adding
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an extra 2 650 on for the additional
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years at the end
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but now let us factor in wounds and
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diseases using our previous methods and
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this number jumps up to 95 400.
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moving on to the last period this is
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really where we have the most number of
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recorded values for the battles
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throughout the sengoku jidai but still
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it has been hard to find data for such
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conflicts as the decade-long siege of
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ishiyama honganji the oda campaign
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against the mori the invasions of
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shikoku and kyushu and so on and so
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forth for this period i'm going to be
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using the blueprint of the battle of
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komaki nakakute as it is a nice value in
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between the amounts of those at yamazaki
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and shizugatake for this reason i'm
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going to be using an estimate of 3 000
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dead per battle once again i am just
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going to be multiplying this number by 2
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per decade but i'm not going to do so at
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all for the years spanning from 1590 to
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1615 as we already know the values from
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those years going from the imjin war to
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the battle of sekigahara and then to the
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sieges of osaka
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with that said we get a rough value of
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12 000
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which once again accounting for wounds
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and diseases shoots this up to around
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forty eight thousand
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all right so adding up all these values
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we just calculated going from the early
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years to the middle years to the later
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years we get a total estimate of
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somewhere around two hundred and eight
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thousand four hundred
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now let's put that number on top of our
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previous number of five hundred and
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twenty-five thousand
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the new total we come to is 733
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4400 and that is not even factoring in
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the total amount of civilians that may
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have died as a result of war
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now as i mentioned in my previous upload
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of this video i was fully aware that my
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estimation for civilian deaths was
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likely way off once again this is just
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another thing we don't have enough
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information on what i tried to
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previously do was take the number of
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dead from oranobunaga's attack on mount
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hie and multiply that to come to an
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estimate once again i was really only
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calculating for civilians that were
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killed directly by samurai as was the
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case for mountier
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however this time around after looking
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at civilian casualties from conflicts
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like the imjin war i decided not to risk
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underselling it again and simply say
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that there is a good chance that it was
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over 1 million civilians killed not only
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as a direct result of war but also as a
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result of famine and disease that war
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brings with it this would bump our grand
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total up to one million seven hundred
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and thirty three thousand four hundred
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but now let us factor in the imjin war a
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conflict fought by the samurai during
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the actual years of the sengoku jidai it
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is here i'm just going to be accounting
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for the amount of japanese that died
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during the war and not any of the
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koreans or chinese it is estimated that
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somewhere around 100 000 japanese
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soldiers died during the samurai
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invasion of korea now this number i
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actually believe to be somewhat accurate
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given the sizes of troop numbers we know
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it's likely that the actual number is a
00:17:11
bit over 100 000 but not so much that i
00:17:14
want to add thousands more on to inflate
00:17:16
it up so for now i'm going to choose to
00:17:18
just keep it at one hundred thousand
00:17:20
that on top of our previous value comes
00:17:22
out to reach up to one million eight
00:17:23
hundred and thirty three thousand four
00:17:25
hundred
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but i'm going to separate it between
00:17:28
military dead and military with civilian
00:17:31
dead being that civilian losses is such
00:17:33
a hard number to pinpoint these numbers
00:17:36
are massively different when compared to
00:17:37
the number i reached in my first upload
00:17:39
of this video where i was not accounting
00:17:41
for deaths from wounds and diseases as
00:17:43
well as only calculating for what i was
00:17:45
considering civilians killed directly by
00:17:47
samurai and not as a result of samurai
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warfare
00:17:52
now it has been estimated that
00:17:53
throughout the 1500s japan had a
00:17:55
population of anywhere from 8 million to
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17 million if we were to take a middle
00:18:00
number of twelve million five hundred
00:18:02
thousand the amount of deaths during the
00:18:03
entirety of the single gucci die using
00:18:06
our rough estimation would total to just
00:18:08
around fourteen percent of the
00:18:09
population killed as a result of the
00:18:12
wars which although seems like a smaller
00:18:14
percentage is still a staggering number
00:18:16
one which we should really reflect on
00:18:18
more today
00:18:20
and it does bring up an interesting
00:18:21
point one which i know people like
00:18:23
author and historical researcher anthony
00:18:25
cummins has questioned that should the
00:18:27
samurai be compared to other mass
00:18:29
murdering tyrants throughout history
00:18:31
based on the magnitude of death they
00:18:33
would cause
00:18:34
especially those we dubbed today as
00:18:37
japan's three great unifiers who in
00:18:39
pursuit of their goals led to the deaths
00:18:41
of tens of thousands alone and that's
00:18:44
not even counting the millions of
00:18:45
koreans who were killed by the samurai
00:18:48
during the imjin war
00:18:50
of course there is a lot more to it than
00:18:51
to simply call them bloodthirsty each of
00:18:54
them had their aims during the singoku
00:18:56
period but it is impossible to ignore
00:18:58
the amount of death that was caused as a
00:19:00
result of samurai ambition
00:19:03
once again for the hundredth time these
00:19:05
numbers i came to were just rough
00:19:07
estimates
00:19:08
if you feel i have left anything
00:19:10
unaccounted for or made errors in my
00:19:12
calculations i would love to hear it in
00:19:14
the comments down below please correct
00:19:16
me if you think i have made any mistakes
00:19:18
or if you do know any other source that
00:19:20
has given a solid estimation of the
00:19:22
amount of those that died during the
00:19:24
sengokuji die
00:19:26
and with that said thank you for
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watching and don't forget to like
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subscribe and ring that notification
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This is an update to my original video where I discussed the death toll of the Sengoku Jidai. In my first attempt at this, I used the data of battles that we know, to formulate a number of how many may have been killed as a result of the wars. I did not however originally factor in death attributed by wounds and disease, as well as only calculated civilian deaths from totals we already knew. I simply was totaling the amount killed directly by Samurai Armies. This resulted in the original overall number being rather low. In this video I try to rectify that by using data from other wars to try and fill some of the gaps. (Original Description) How many people died during the Sengoku Jidai? It is a massive yet hard number to pinpoint. In this video I do my best to provide an estimate for such a number of those that were killed as a result of the wars in Japan from 1477-1615. Check out the brutality of Samurai Battle Wounds with Japan at War! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOzdyROSAiU&t=223s -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timestamps: Intro: 0:00 Calculating what we do know 2:48 Calculating what we don't know 9:49 Estimating a total 15:18 Closing thoughts 17:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Music: "Maestro Tlakaelel" by Jesse Gallagher Artwork and Images: Classical art, which in most cases can be considered public domain. Art from Osprey Publications. Other modern artist renditions, if you see your work in this video please contact me so that I can give you proper credit! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Social Media: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Twitter: https://twitter.com/ShogunateThe Support the channel on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/theshogunateyt?fan_landing=true

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