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Sud Radio berkov in all these00:00:03
states the face to face time that remains and00:00:07
you quote it in your book00:00:09
Aton prepare for the worst of Aton and Riva00:00:13
you are two to have written that Aton00:00:15
you are I remind you you were an00:00:17
elite gendarme you were a member of the00:00:19
GN for how long I was in the00:00:21
army 20 years so 15 years in the GN okay00:00:24
yes you know you know what you00:00:26
are talking about that is important for us here and therefore00:00:30
that with Jean-Luc Riva the them in00:00:33
him in intelligence and you have00:00:35
written a very interesting book00:00:37
because first of all it is a book which00:00:39
actually contrasts a little with what is00:00:41
happening today what we are hearing00:00:43
today because you you say00:00:44
listen hey yes yes no everything is not00:00:47
blue that we know that and simply in00:00:50
general we give advice to00:00:53
improve to eat quinoa to00:00:56
prepare for a little00:00:58
personal development and then we say yes but in00:00:59
today's situation 'today where00:01:02
violence is there where violence can00:01:04
strike anyone at any00:01:06
time Well prepare prepare as00:01:08
you say for the worst and besides you00:01:10
quote very very very well I00:01:12
really like it if the worse is likely00:01:15
to happen it will indeed happen we00:01:17
can ask ourselves the question and then you00:01:19
talk about everything it is also good for00:01:22
women who find themselves jogging or00:01:26
in a parking lot who are violently or00:01:28
who are attacked by heavy flirts,00:01:30
quite pathetic,00:01:33
burglaries, you're talking about the neighborhoods,00:01:35
you're talking about aggressive dogs, you're00:01:37
talking about all the situations we00:01:39
can be in and it's very interesting where00:01:41
we can be a victim, victim here's00:01:43
someone passing by, he didn't00:01:45
ask for anything it just reminds me of a word from00:01:48
Alphonse because the comedian he said he00:01:51
said you know I am absolutely00:01:53
against the death penalty on one condition00:01:55
that gentlemen the assassins00:01:58
begin but to come back and say that00:02:00
you don't speak it's not your subject00:02:01
the pain of Meur it's really the00:02:02
violence it's the attacks and00:02:05
today we've been talking about it since this00:02:07
morning we're in the middle of survival00:02:09
and so on how to do it and you say00:02:12
very very well you say wait for us we do00:02:13
n't 'is not here to replace you00:02:15
give advice we give you00:02:17
advice then it's you who act00:02:19
it's not we're not going to act in your place00:02:20
we're not there and we're not going to put a00:02:22
police officer in front of each person it 'is00:02:23
not possible so in fact it came from00:02:26
how did it come to Riva and to you to00:02:28
your to say that B let's say that we are00:02:32
constantly witnessing already in the00:02:35
news but also in our00:02:36
close circle where we are in high00:02:38
demand as security technicians00:02:41
of friends who00:02:44
suffer harassment violence00:02:47
in the street who see this very rise00:02:49
in violence eh which is omnipresent00:02:51
and he asked us B all the time00:02:52
but what what you would do in00:02:53
this situation and in this one and in00:02:55
this one and we discussed it we said00:02:58
I think this is the right time to00:02:59
bring together a little of our skills and00:03:01
put them at the service of then there it's00:03:03
really a book which is aimed at00:03:04
everyone it's at the service of00:03:06
everyone so we have our ideas we have our00:03:08
processes but we had to make it00:03:11
accessible to everyone yeah so00:03:13
accessible to everyone the world actually00:03:15
and you considered a lot of00:03:17
situations uh now very00:03:21
sincerely when I read your book00:03:23
once again it is a very well00:03:25
done book and which gives precise advice00:03:27
moreover you put there are00:03:28
diagrams there are a certain situation00:03:30
you even talk about the physical form as00:03:33
well as the food of everything so that is to00:03:35
say you have to prepare00:03:37
in fact what you say is what00:03:39
certain Indian sorcerers said I am00:03:40
thinking of Carlos Castaleda you have to become00:03:43
cured what ah but completely00:03:45
completely but completely but we are no00:03:47
longer sheltered now we go out into the00:03:49
street look even in the in the00:03:51
schools we are not00:03:52
sheltered so if we are not sheltered00:03:55
inside I'm going to say no you00:03:57
have to prepare yourself actually it's not00:03:58
it's not a fiction it's a reality00:04:01
and how do you explain yourself because00:04:03
they come to see you some of your00:04:05
friends but we have the impression when even00:04:06
everything happens as if most00:04:08
people say yes but it only happens to00:04:10
others it doesn't happen to me then00:04:12
well and then the government is there00:04:15
and then the authorities are there and then00:04:17
yes then there is Israel Gaza and then there00:04:21
is Ukraine Russia and then this00:04:23
that then from time to time yes to00:04:25
Samuel paatti there is such and such an00:04:26
event there was the Bataclan there was still00:04:28
all that but yes on the00:04:31
moment we make flowers we smell00:04:33
Imagine by John Lennon we put00:04:35
bouquets and that's it and candles and everything is00:04:38
fine what is it for you what does it00:04:41
make you react when00:04:42
you see this kind of you won't have00:04:44
my hatred it annoys me it annoys me I00:04:47
find that I find denial dangerous00:04:50
uh I'm not here to shake the00:04:53
pulp of people who don't want to00:04:55
who don't voluntarily put their00:04:58
heads in the sand but there is00:05:00
still a part of the population it00:05:01
is more and more numerous who00:05:03
feel concerned and for these people who00:05:05
feel concerned but who are00:05:07
helpless who are looking for00:05:10
techniques of precautions to take00:05:12
here's some advice well we said we're00:05:15
going to give it to them and then the others well00:05:17
listen I want to say I we're not going to00:05:19
save everyone eh those who make00:05:20
a denial they will be astonished they00:05:23
will be surprised and it's a00:05:25
shame but you won't have to00:05:27
complain you have chosen dishonor00:05:29
to avoid war you will have00:05:30
dishonor and war said a00:05:31
certain Winston Churchill there it's not00:05:34
dishonor but it's perhaps00:05:35
assideration00:05:37
So tell us about the advice you00:05:40
give there, finally the situations00:05:42
that you describe for example when you talk00:05:44
about women being attacked and it's true that it00:05:46
must be said that most attacks00:05:48
are against women because00:05:49
they are weaker and that's it and you00:05:52
say what you say arm yourself in00:05:54
every sense of the word so arm yourself00:05:56
yes in every sense of the word00:05:57
that is to say it's physically it's00:05:59
prepare yourself physically be in00:06:01
good physical condition have a00:06:04
prepared mind that is to say that at a given moment00:06:06
you have to prepare yourself for violence00:06:09
it is also being able to use00:06:12
force so be careful I00:06:14
completely dissociate violence unreasonable00:06:17
anger which is which is which is which is which is which is which is which is00:06:19
disordered in the use of force which00:06:21
is ordered and organized there and00:06:24
almost rationalized I would say00:06:26
somewhere that's it exactly because well00:06:28
there is a legal framework we express in the00:06:30
book so as not to put yourself00:06:33
in complicated situations but at a00:06:35
given moment you also have to choose00:06:36
your position and hold it firmly,00:06:39
that is to say that if I decide to00:06:42
become an actor in resolving the00:06:44
crisis that is causing me concerns I am facing a00:06:47
dangerous individual I am prepared and I00:06:50
am determined here and I am also not afraid00:06:52
of hurting someone who00:06:54
wants your life you said a00:06:56
very important word to T he is an actor in00:06:59
fact are we going to remain spectators00:07:01
or when something happens that00:07:02
concerns us and that directly concerns us, those00:07:03
close to us, are we00:07:05
going to be an actor then what do we need to00:07:07
be an00:07:08
actor being an actor is to feel00:07:11
concerned by the news is to know00:07:12
that the police are they are overwhelmed00:07:14
that there is a big problem of00:07:17
police force gendarmerie uh at the level of00:07:20
justice it is very complicated they are00:07:22
overloaded with prison files00:07:24
are full the small sentences are no00:07:25
longer there is a feeling of impunity00:07:28
which means that we have a lot of delinquents00:07:29
who are outside and with this feeling00:07:31
of impunity they act so if we00:07:34
count on the police well it was they do00:07:36
their maximum I don't throw stones at00:07:38
anyone but you risk waiting a00:07:40
long time yeah that's it and during this00:07:43
time the aggressor him he doesn't wait00:07:44
well he he doesn't wait him hunger yeah00:07:47
exactly and so you and you00:07:49
so say physical condition and00:07:52
still learn a certain number of things00:07:53
com how do we learn finally what is it00:07:55
training I would say00:07:57
self-defense because that's what00:07:58
you're talking about what you have to say to yourself it00:08:00
's called self-defense is people00:08:01
who are afraid ah self-defense what is it00:08:03
well self-defense is knowing how to00:08:05
defend yourself so uh exactly so that00:08:08
's the technique uh now there's00:08:10
also a lot of mental preparation uh00:08:12
I'll come back on my career at the GIGN00:08:14
when we did a briefing before interposing ourselves in the00:08:17
face of00:08:19
terrorists or forcenets we did00:08:21
what we called a00:08:22
crisis management table, that is to say that we00:08:24
envisaged the worst we prepared for the00:08:26
worst so we did all the scenarios00:08:28
and we brought uh through discussions00:08:31
here are operating methods00:08:33
solutions to all eventualities and00:08:35
once in fact we have prepared for00:08:37
any eventuality we create shortcuts00:08:40
between the brain and the physical and what00:08:42
means that we are no longer in00:08:43
astonishment but we are in the action00:08:45
almost the reflex act and that is in00:08:47
fact what we are trying to create uh00:08:50
throughout the population that everyone00:08:51
can have reflex actions so be00:08:53
careful it is not essentially00:08:55
reacting at the physical level but it is00:08:57
already in the observation of taking a00:08:59
step back and then it can be avoidance that is to say00:09:01
considering all the same the00:09:03
worst scenarios of course there we are00:09:05
somewhere without being paranoia and00:09:07
without saying to ourselves I am going to be attacked 24 hours a00:09:09
day but considering the situation then00:09:12
it can be complicated anxiety-inducing to00:09:14
constantly put yourself in a situation there00:09:16
the book in fact goes help you to00:09:18
immerse yourself in in these are stories00:09:20
eh you have seen these are little00:09:21
stories that we tell which will00:09:23
allow us to arouse an00:09:25
emotion want to say or there but in you00:09:27
but say not me I have I don't want to be00:09:29
in a situation in this situation00:09:31
and what will I put in place00:09:33
so it has already raised a00:09:34
personal question and then at00:09:36
the end of the chapter we are giving a00:09:38
certain number of precautionary keys to00:09:41
take to precisely avoid this00:09:43
situation and there are some as you00:09:44
mentioned between Internet meetings00:09:47
terrorism school harassment we have00:09:49
a lot of it a lot it's clear00:09:52
we're going to come back after this little break00:09:54
uh to talk with atau it's very00:09:57
important actually where we are going00:09:59
we are still with Aton who is00:10:01
our guest of the day and then with you00:10:02
on 0826 300 300 if you have a00:10:05
question right away on Sud radioh00:10:07
17 on Sud Radio we are still00:10:09
with Aton who comes to see us for this00:10:10
new book prepare for the worst it is00:10:13
published by Albin Michel so Aton00:10:17
you actually have in your00:10:19
book perhaps not all the00:10:21
situations but in any case several00:10:23
very interesting talking about00:10:24
burglaries well you are talking about burglary00:10:27
you say what to do at that moment00:10:28
indeed and you speak very well00:10:30
what is self-defense00:10:32
and you cite all the articles of law00:10:34
that is very good in which case you00:10:36
are in a situation of self-defense and00:10:37
in which case you are not00:10:39
because after for the prosecution but I00:10:41
will give you an example which took place00:10:42
not very long ago which you have00:10:43
surely heard about it is someone00:10:46
who is at home and there are three00:10:47
burglars who come to his house00:10:49
he has an experience I don't know00:10:51
if martial arts in any case in00:10:53
the fight he manages to scare two of them away00:10:56
and he kidnaps finally he stops them for00:10:59
for he calls the police the police00:11:01
come to see so take possession of the00:11:03
person who could not do so because00:11:05
the guy knew how to control him and then00:11:08
indeed he is he is before the00:11:10
courts the burglar but the00:11:12
owner also because you have00:11:14
sequestered him so you I'm going to be charged00:11:17
with forcible confinement, but what is that? It00:11:20
happened to me. It happened to me. I was00:11:23
19 or 20 years old. I00:11:25
found a burglar at my00:11:27
parents' house. I was taking a nap00:11:29
uh I picked him up I put him on his knees00:11:32
I took a baseball bat and I00:11:34
said to him listen are you00:11:35
alone are there people around he00:11:36
told me I'm all alone I called the00:11:38
police the police told me well here00:11:39
we are no vehicle available you00:11:41
'll have to wait I'll give you00:11:43
10 minutes if in 10 minutes you're00:11:45
not there I put the baseball bat on him I read00:11:46
put it on his head and I'm going to00:11:48
go around when they arrived well00:11:50
they saw me it was well I have it I00:11:52
didn't sequester in fact I00:11:54
have it for the police to comearr yes00:11:57
but what is there is that I think00:11:58
that there is there is a world00:11:59
between reality and then between the00:12:02
gendarmes or the police officers who will who00:12:04
will take the statement it will00:12:05
depend also what happened00:12:07
sorry on V in your case ah well I00:12:09
was I was completely followed00:12:11
by in the statement that I made00:12:12
for the police the police said but no00:12:14
you you did very well here you00:12:15
gave it to us it is it was in good condition it00:12:18
had everything so I did not reach its00:12:20
physical integrity but it is true that at00:12:22
one point yes I asked myself the00:12:24
question whether I weren't going to go00:12:25
around the house but before00:12:27
neutralizing it and neutralizing it well it's00:12:30
not it's not by throwing a00:12:31
little swatter at it no no it was you00:12:33
it's not throwing a bouquet of flowers well00:12:35
no because the people we don't know00:12:36
what they come to do at your house and00:12:37
then no it's anxiety provoking it's dangerous00:12:38
so there you go but uh afterwards I think00:12:41
that he for the judgment there accused00:12:44
of kidnapping I think that's good the00:12:46
judge the judge has never been robbed he00:12:49
has never been faced with this situation00:12:51
so once again eh I'm not throwing00:12:52
stones at justice or at the00:12:54
force of law or at anyone but at some00:12:55
point you have to take a stand little in00:12:56
the place of a person in the society00:12:58
in which we live who returns00:13:00
home who finds himself face to face with00:13:03
burglars so yes there is there is00:13:05
self-defense he has to have00:13:07
it know but at a00:13:09
given moment when we question00:13:10
someone we call the police I00:13:11
think that it's rather it's rather that00:13:13
we could have done something else of course00:13:15
that's for sure but it's sure but00:13:18
like you say in fact the problem00:13:19
is that we have to resolve this within the00:13:22
minute or at least within the hour and00:13:23
then the police and as they tell you we do00:13:25
n't throw stones at her but she can't00:13:26
be there within 2 minutes and it's00:13:28
it's a real real real problem and00:13:30
you pose it very very well00:13:32
because when you say to me I was I00:13:35
was very struck speaking to you00:13:37
actually in fact is it00:13:39
not first of all a mental side change00:13:42
your lifestyle but in the mentality00:13:44
say there is not that that does not mean00:13:46
that we are going to be paranoid from morning00:13:48
to evening but we say to ourselves wait we00:13:49
can prepare ourselves be to things that00:13:51
can be unpleasant and that can00:13:53
happen what me its me I remember00:13:55
I grew up in the 80s we did00:13:58
n't wear seat belts we did00:14:00
n't put them on my parents I was in00:14:01
the back of the car car I was free00:14:03
my parents did not wear seat belts00:14:04
and then there was a00:14:06
campaign where we were told there are a00:14:07
lot of deaths following accidents00:14:09
due to not wearing seat belts00:14:11
so at the beginning when we put on00:14:13
the seat belt we actually00:14:15
thought when we put it on just by00:14:17
putting it on we thought about00:14:18
the accident today when you put on00:14:20
the seat belt it's a00:14:21
reflex act you don't think about it accident00:14:23
that you are going to have well what we are trying00:14:25
to create in fact is that people00:14:26
have reflex actions to take00:14:29
precautions without thinking too much about it and00:14:32
then at the same time when we take00:14:33
maximum precautions well that is we00:14:35
protect ourselves a little from danger so we have00:14:37
to we have to prepare for it gently at00:14:40
our own pace we are not00:14:41
forcing people to put people in00:14:42
comp ends and forcing them into a cangign00:14:45
to do some of the great warriors no00:14:47
and everyone will do according to00:14:49
their physical capacity and also mental00:14:52
and mental it's very important so the00:14:55
question you talk about it a little it's a00:14:57
bit the common thread in all that00:14:59
uh you talk about self-defense talk about00:15:02
fighting techniques and so on finally00:15:04
everything we know about straining00:15:06
learning about stress because00:15:07
obviously stress is very strong in00:15:09
these cases it is even in00:15:11
daily life already so even more so and the00:15:14
question I would like to ask T is00:15:17
that basically there is still a taboo00:15:20
and perhaps justified you know in00:15:23
America second amendment everyone00:15:25
has the right to bear arms in France00:15:28
absolutely prohibited in Europe d 'elsewhere and00:15:30
so on and I'm not taking sides00:15:32
but finally I hear the lawyers saying00:15:35
it's not possible give weapons00:15:36
to everyone it's going to be carnage00:15:38
others who say wait we're training00:15:40
people but in some case when it00:15:42
comes to someone who comes with the00:15:45
intention of slitting your throat or is00:15:47
it not bad that you have00:15:50
perhaps as Laurent Auberton00:15:53
or others say, will you not have00:15:54
bad that you have a good way to00:15:57
defend yourself which is also weapons00:15:58
what do you think about it then I00:16:01
find that we need to be a little dispassionate00:16:02
in France we are always in the00:16:04
great emotion the speeches are00:16:06
go to extremes to the other and in00:16:08
fact we take no action because00:16:09
it will please neither one nor the other so00:16:12
we do nothing yeah here's me what I00:16:13
me what I wish he what it 'is00:16:16
putting a little common sense into it, we have00:16:18
former special forces who are00:16:21
retiring, we have people00:16:22
from elite units who leave like00:16:24
me at 40 and from whom we take away the00:16:28
extension. extension of my arm00:16:30
it was a weapon for 20 years I was00:16:31
armed I was military and in fact we are00:16:34
eliminating a civilian response capacity00:16:37
uh to an act an act attack00:16:41
here I am taking the metro I am00:16:43
taking transport I have already00:16:44
witnessed aggression theft so and00:16:48
you reacted so ah but 100%00:16:50
you react every time ah I00:16:52
react 100% so either I react alone00:16:54
because because it's very complicated00:16:56
d 'associate people because they are00:16:58
they so many questions are asked00:16:59
that in fact by the time they have the00:17:01
answers the action has already taken place so00:17:03
it's quite complicated or otherwise we00:17:05
still manage to find a certain00:17:06
number of people and there was Ancy there00:17:08
were there were similar people in00:17:10
Marseille who intervened00:17:12
in attacks and and that00:17:14
reassures me so all it takes is one look all it00:17:16
takes is a small organization that's00:17:18
quick enough to say, well, I'm in it,00:17:20
you too, and we're going to act, and everyone00:17:22
acts in their own way, some are going to00:17:25
raise the alarm, take the phone and00:17:26
call, others are going to take the TV and it's00:17:28
filmed. if they gave the alert before00:17:30
it's better but that's it but00:17:33
everyone is going to do as far as00:17:35
arming is concerned having a weapon is a00:17:37
responsibility it requires a00:17:39
physical capacity to protect it so as not to00:17:41
get it flying requires a00:17:44
technical ability that is not acquired00:17:46
overnight you are not going to00:17:47
buy a weapon and that's it you are00:17:48
a great shooter because we are going to shoot in a00:17:50
stressful situation so if it00:17:52
also requires a mental and00:17:54
not everyone is capable of that, on the other hand I think00:17:56
that there is a large pool of people in France00:17:57
who could be armed but00:18:00
who are not and there are the00:18:02
old ones of the finally the old ones and I00:18:04
would already say primarily the former00:18:07
law enforcement or military00:18:09
forces special forces yes it is very very00:18:12
interesting we will talk about it again we will00:18:15
continue to talk about it with with atau and00:18:16
then with Aton and then with you of00:18:18
course at 0826 300 300 many of you are already00:18:21
calling us at the switchboard we00:18:23
continue to take your calls 0826 30000:18:25
300 see you straight away00:18:27
Atton and Riva prepare for the worst00:18:30
published by Albert Michel a00:18:32
defense manual both mental and00:18:35
physical but maybe pr00:18:38
pamon àon sorry it's to be00:18:40
better ah well completely yes it's it's it's it's it00:18:43
's to increase in00:18:45
capacity it's to raise the level to raise00:18:47
the physical level well already it's good00:18:48
for health raise the00:18:51
psychological level by managing stress well00:18:54
it's also positive and it's useful00:18:56
in any situation stress00:18:58
at work et cetera et cetera and then00:19:01
technically by perhaps doing00:19:02
sport combat sports by doing00:19:05
well shooting by doing a whole bunch of00:19:06
things in fact activities that can00:19:08
help you protect yourself yes and00:19:11
then I mean honestly it's00:19:14
not an uninteresting activity you00:19:16
have a lot of hobbies we can do00:19:17
indeed eat Kinéa and make00:19:19
flowers but we can also perhaps00:19:21
prepare ourselves it's not a bad thing00:19:23
in any case learn a certain thing I00:19:25
would like to talk about then there are many00:19:27
things we could spend hours00:19:28
but on harassment it's00:19:30
interesting you talk about harassment at00:19:31
school and there also God knows and there if00:19:33
we have had examples of harassment at00:19:35
work and others and you say00:19:38
what should be done in these00:19:39
cases00:19:40
that give us here finally you talk about it00:19:43
in your book he to which I refer and00:19:44
which I recommend but00:19:46
is harassment something in fact00:19:48
where it is always weakness if if00:19:50
you give in we will continue and00:19:52
more and you have to oppose in fact it's00:19:54
still there it's beyond this00:19:55
limit your tickets are no longer valid00:19:57
yes so what there is is that it's00:19:59
quite complicated because in fact we we00:20:01
react according to the weapons that00:20:03
we have uh either humor can00:20:07
be a weapon to deflect00:20:08
harassment and show that in fact00:20:10
it does not affect us and that we are00:20:12
diversionating it can be on the mental a00:20:14
strong mental and then we we we feel we are00:20:17
not reached or very00:20:20
little you are example of that so I00:20:22
was harassed when I was when00:20:24
I was a child my father did was involved00:20:27
he had gone to00:20:29
school when I was I was 7 8 years old uh00:20:32
I was the victim of the harassment of harassment00:20:35
so my father was involved it00:20:36
had that had allowed me to00:20:39
avoid during for a while and00:20:40
then it came back and it came back00:20:43
then it came back to high school but00:20:44
in the meantime I had I had found my00:20:46
examples my examples it was Arnold00:20:48
schzenegger Jean-Claude Van Dam00:20:49
Sylvester stalon and I I said to00:20:52
myself, these guys are physically00:20:53
strong already when they take a hit00:20:55
they feel it much less than00:20:56
someone who has a much weaker body00:20:58
who is less muscular at least and00:21:01
then mentally it was it was00:21:03
it was monsters ran it was here is00:21:06
a wall it was charging and you are put00:21:08
this is where you are started to take00:21:09
combat sports or ah well I00:21:11
took up combat sports to the fullest I have I myself00:21:13
I'm mentally hardened, reading00:21:15
different books and then going and00:21:19
confronting nature, you never win,00:21:21
but I did a lot of hiking with my father,00:21:22
things that were a little bit00:21:24
hard, which meant that it hardened me00:21:26
and and I knew I was in00:21:28
high school where I was still the victim00:21:31
of harassment except that what I00:21:33
did there I told the teachers I said00:21:34
listen to the harassers if if he00:21:37
continues I will respond but in a00:21:39
brutal manner and I fear that it is00:21:41
not to your convenience nor to the00:21:42
convenience of the school and I was not00:21:44
listened to and we came to blows but00:21:47
then it was it was unfortunate because00:21:49
I was I I did it in a00:21:50
refectory and there was a00:21:52
student who was thrown out of the window. It was very,00:21:54
very far away but it was anger00:21:55
speaking. I didn't show any signs of it at00:21:57
first. use of force reasoned00:21:59
there I was really angry and that00:22:02
's dangerous it's really dangerous00:22:04
so but on the other hand that for effect well00:22:07
I was respected so I was00:22:10
stized I was a brute but I was00:22:12
there but I preferred this this00:22:14
position but now in the book00:22:15
we say we really say don't react00:22:17
to violence with violence by00:22:19
excess but really try to00:22:22
take a step back and get help00:22:24
no but sorry let's talk let's talk very00:22:26
concretely someone who is in the C00:22:28
or in the street00:22:30
someone comes and he receives a slap ok a00:22:33
slap I'm not even saying that he gets00:22:34
stabbed he does what he responds with00:22:36
humor he responds what not for example it00:22:39
will depend in fact and there in the book00:22:41
explains that everyone must00:22:42
position themselves on their physical00:22:44
and mental capacities and in the end that you have to00:22:46
know yourself and many people in fact00:22:48
are not. thrown into a00:22:50
crisis situation if you take a00:22:52
slap that you never thought of00:22:54
taking it and that you have never been projected00:22:56
intellectually into this situation00:22:58
you will be stunned if you00:23:00
imagine yourself saying well well here I00:23:02
am going to leave the studio and someone is going00:23:04
to slap me in the street how am I00:23:06
going to react well I'm going to observe him I00:23:08
'm going to look at how he is00:23:09
physically if he looks like Tyson00:23:11
well maybe I'm going to leave with00:23:13
my anger under my arm and then I'm going00:23:14
to see a witness and I'm going to say you are00:23:16
witnesses to this ok well well we're going to00:23:18
call the police and we're going to try to00:23:20
act with help from the police if00:23:22
now it's unconscious is-00:23:24
what if he's crazy for example do00:23:26
I slap him00:23:29
maybe not either but I'm not going to00:23:30
stop there of course it's necessary in00:23:33
fact we have to react to the situation finally you00:23:35
have to be aware and almost ready for the00:23:38
situation, yes by projecting yourself00:23:40
by not making a denial00:23:42
but by projecting yourself into difficult00:23:43
difficult situations such as also the00:23:45
attacks me when it happened at the00:23:47
Bataclan I said if I had been00:23:49
inside what would me with my00:23:52
physical capacities mental technical00:23:54
finally everything that we can imagine00:23:56
but with the stress which means that we00:23:58
reduce our capacities what-00:23:59
what I would have done so I'll00:24:01
give you an example it's I interviewed00:24:03
I was the RAR the only00:24:06
French European journalist interviewed Trump in00:24:07
2016 during his campaign it's I'm00:24:10
talking to you about that because that's interesting00:24:11
and we started talking about the Bataclan and00:24:14
it was in 2016 so 6 months later or00:24:16
finally a few months later he told me00:24:18
but I don't understand for the00:24:19
French I don't understand you have00:24:21
three guys who arrive who shoot like00:24:23
rabbits who go pigeon shooting and00:24:25
you don't answer and he says but me and00:24:27
he s s revolver in the drawer but me00:24:30
but me I would have reacted I would have shot and00:24:33
and but it's a real question I00:24:35
mean there was for 4 He it was a00:24:37
police commissioner who00:24:38
interrupted but for 4 hours or 3 hours there were00:24:41
people who shot 130 dead and I do00:24:43
n't know how many injured and it was00:24:45
tyropia finally it was terrible00:24:47
but what are we doing in that so00:24:49
I'm going to tell you a situation a few00:24:51
months before we had a group at00:24:54
GIGN a metal group who played at the00:24:57
beat and obviously we were in civil00:24:59
and we went to see them we were00:25:01
about 80 metal of the G of the GN yes ah yes we have00:25:04
we have activities in of of here it is00:25:06
necessary00:25:07
and and and in fact we were therefore at the00:25:10
Bataclan we were approximately 8000:25:13
armed people if it had been that00:25:15
day actually having the00:25:17
firepower to respond that would have00:25:19
I'm not saying that there wouldn't have been a00:25:20
death there wouldn't have been any injuries but00:25:22
at least he wouldn't have it wouldn't have happened was00:25:23
that after me I gave a conference00:25:25
in February 2015 ah yes a month a00:25:29
month after the attacks on Charli Hebdo00:25:32
and the hypercacher uh conference to who00:25:35
in the show directors because it00:25:38
must in fact it was under the00:25:39
framework of Vig pirate red and carlate it00:25:41
therefore had to accommodate security services00:25:44
to search the bags and the00:25:46
companies in fact well did theirs00:25:47
here presented their00:25:50
capacity you made a speech00:25:51
finally you AZ conference on that I I00:25:53
have presented to me I was asked in fact to00:25:54
present to them what00:25:56
terrorism was and what was really at risk00:25:59
and how it was going to happen. I00:26:01
described to them very for very the battle in00:26:03
fact but months before they told me00:26:06
certain things. asked what measure00:26:08
should be taken I gave them they00:26:09
sneered in general he we sneered they00:26:11
told us so already they told me but00:26:13
we are from the entertainment world we are00:26:15
not targets but I am telling you00:26:16
are disbelievers you we are in a00:26:18
democracy we have we voted for a00:26:20
president who has a policy of fighting00:26:23
terrorism abroad which00:26:25
is extremely violent we bomb00:26:26
abroad and so we must feel00:26:28
concerned of course but if you but and00:26:31
they told you or so and yeah ah well00:26:34
some left he and some00:26:35
still asked you for advice saying00:26:37
what do we do all that or not yes00:26:39
I gave them the advice so00:26:40
that's it is to manage the flows so well the crowds00:26:42
it is necessary that people can flee00:26:44
because that is the priority00:26:46
to flee but for that the doors must00:26:48
be wide a door where when we00:26:50
pass one by one through a door you see00:26:51
what it looks like at the Bataclan that we saw it00:26:53
on this door on this emergency exit00:26:55
which is extremely narrow straight00:26:58
what do you think00:26:59
happened in the Bataclan for the people who00:27:00
were in tail but they are00:27:03
shot in the back so I told them we00:27:05
have to open the flows on d but it costs00:27:06
money it's a question of choice00:27:08
I have there I can't do anything for you there I00:27:09
can't do anything for you afterwards the same we00:27:11
were talking about confinement rooms and in00:27:13
schools in00:27:14
educational establishments we can talk about it what00:27:15
is a confinement room so it's00:27:17
not just for knives let's admit that00:27:18
tomorrow it comes with Kalashnikovs we00:27:21
need a confinement room and we00:27:22
say it in the book by bullet00:27:24
what is a kalashnikov bullet we00:27:26
explain its ability to penetrate00:27:28
a wall in the earth in00:27:30
a car so we have to be interested in the00:27:33
subject and turn to good00:27:34
people what is extraordinary00:27:36
is that after everything that has happened we00:27:38
act as if all that does00:27:41
n't exist you are right there are00:27:42
answers even00:27:43
architectural answers answers00:27:46
is that is still crazy so uh we have00:27:48
olizers I think estanou we have00:27:51
romaine who calls us from ivelines who00:27:52
dialed 0826 300 300 hello Romain00:27:55
hello Romain hello monieur sir00:27:57
hello André hello to you thank you00:28:00
for this information and I wanted to00:28:02
share one a small practical case finally00:28:04
two in this case I was00:28:06
robbed twice and the last time I was00:28:08
threatened with a weapon in00:28:10
this case a knife and as they00:28:13
never say 203 and now that I have a00:28:15
wife and a child my question is00:28:18
how I can react to a situation00:28:19
we come home armed can I00:28:22
respond with a gun or00:28:25
should I respond to a00:28:26
knife with a knife00:28:27
it's a little all these questions00:28:29
and today a lot of people are00:28:30
asking these questions I think it's true00:28:31
Atton so already uh when life is00:28:35
threatened to defend a TV a00:28:37
computer I think we00:28:38
really need to take a step back as much as possible and00:28:40
say to yourself is it worth it for00:28:41
me to put my life in danger for00:28:43
material then also we can be very00:28:45
attached to material to jewelry but00:28:48
what can be interesting00:28:50
when we when we are compromised00:28:51
c 'is to have a camera device00:28:53
and cameras that can work00:28:55
or there are devices that00:28:57
take photos every time a00:28:58
person passes in front of them00:29:00
that are the tools of the hunters00:29:02
that put this in in the forest this it00:29:04
can be it can be set up once00:29:06
someone comes back there is a or sorry00:29:07
wait sorry wait for me I00:29:09
also know there is the example of Romain but I00:29:10
know people who came who00:29:12
got beaten up and more than that because00:29:14
where is it where is the strong COFFOR it's00:29:16
not you say ah yes if G who were00:29:18
tied up well there they were who were tied up00:29:20
plus it's not just the TV you00:29:22
say you shouldn't put your life is in00:29:23
jeopardy but people go much00:29:24
further they beat up so what do we00:29:26
do in these CASL but I00:29:28
sincerely think if we are not00:29:29
able to respond and we know it very00:29:31
quickly it is better to leave00:29:34
people take what they have to take and00:29:36
behind them trust the police in00:29:38
investigations I have an example I have a friend00:29:39
Guillaume Play who was a00:29:41
housejacker in fact his wife was00:29:42
with his as a child they were robbed00:29:44
at gunpoint and couldn't do anything00:29:46
she opened the the the trunk there was00:29:48
n't much in it they took what00:29:49
there was to take they thought00:29:51
there was a lot more of00:29:52
wealth you know the fantasy of00:29:53
notoriety people are very rich in short00:29:56
I attended the trial they took a lot of money00:29:58
they took a lot of money so it's00:30:01
better not to risk your life if00:30:03
now you are in the00:30:04
self-defense framework you don't you cannot run away00:30:05
your life is really threatened and you00:30:07
feel that the person is going to00:30:09
come after you and that you have00:30:11
anything in your hands have00:30:13
this desire to hurt00:30:15
h absolutely that would be that there is00:30:18
a psychosis who is setting up and and00:30:20
today the police take 1000:30:21
minutes to come to your house so we are00:30:23
asking ourselves more and more the question of00:30:24
being able to respond exactly to a first00:30:27
attack but we must if we00:30:30
must prepare for that it is what that we00:30:31
are tired of saying it00:30:33
but physically mentally you00:30:35
have already had two00:30:37
unfortunate experiences so you still draw00:30:39
a certain number of lessons from them00:30:40
and you are not, I think, in00:30:42
the wait to say well well now00:30:43
here it is the police will take a certain00:30:45
time what can I do00:30:47
in these circumstances Estéban we00:30:49
have I think a lot of listeners00:30:51
we are going to take Stéphan who is waiting for us at the00:30:53
switchboard we are going to score a short break00:30:54
before that and I'm going back to what you00:30:56
said happened to the host Bruno00:30:58
Guillon a few weeks ago00:31:00
we kiss him hard Bruno Guillon see you00:31:02
right away on Sud Radio back from rocking00:31:04
in all these states we are together00:31:05
until 2 p.m. we are still with Aton00:31:08
who is our guest of the day and we00:31:09
welcome Stéphane at 0826 300 30000:31:12
hello Stéphane hello Stéphane00:31:14
hello André hello to all hello to00:31:16
your guest uh I just wanted to say00:31:18
a few words about it so thank you to00:31:20
your guest for his comments and his00:31:23
positions I am going to buy his book00:31:24
naturally uh I was stuck in00:31:28
college when I was when I was a00:31:30
kid and I quickly got into00:31:32
martial arts and very quickly00:31:35
when I I had a higher rank than00:31:38
that of the people who00:31:40
harassed me the problem was resolved without a00:31:42
fight without violence so actually00:31:45
preparing it pays off that's what I00:31:48
hear in your00:31:49
guest's remarks absolutely uh and also00:31:52
maavel said I believe that it is in00:31:54
the work the prince that it is better00:31:57
to be feared finally is it00:31:59
better to be loved or feared we prefer to00:32:02
be loved but it is safer to be00:32:03
feared so indeed here then00:32:07
I am recently in I have recently been living00:32:09
in the gendarmerie zone00:32:12
and therefore I lived in the city and therefore at the00:32:16
level at the level I have had00:32:18
neighborhood problems so each00:32:19
time there has been this kind problem00:32:22
I always went out with a00:32:25
weapon a bladed weapon hidden in my00:32:29
clothes this kind of thing a piece of wood00:32:32
we will say because indeed there is00:32:34
always the risk that it degenerates and00:32:36
it turns out that I lives very close00:32:38
to where Emmanuel Macron inaugurated a00:32:41
new gendarmerie and we are told00:32:44
new gendarmerie but the truth00:32:45
is that they closed two around00:32:48
so in fact the gendarmes are00:32:51
luckily a little closer to where I live00:32:53
so fifteen minutes uh but hey00:32:56
when everything degenerates 15 minutes it's a00:32:59
very long time assuming that the gendarmes00:33:01
can come around okay thank you in00:33:05
fact interesting he goes out with when00:33:07
when he a neighborhood one he goes out00:33:09
with his Tonfan is it who no is that00:33:12
in general is that00:33:14
without without I mean if we expect00:33:18
good which risks degenerating do we00:33:20
still have to prepare ourselves perhaps to00:33:23
have a weapon what whether it's the weapon or00:33:25
actually it's better because we do00:33:27
n't know how we're going to react to00:33:29
your opinion but it's like when you00:33:31
go on vacation you pack your00:33:32
suitcase you make sure you don't00:33:34
forget anything it would be a shame to 'go to the00:33:36
beach and forget your swimsuit00:33:37
and well it would be a shame to end up00:33:40
at the neighbor's house who will open his00:33:42
door for you but to get rid of00:33:44
you because at some point he gets00:33:45
fed up he has really a hatred against00:33:47
you well it would be a shame to00:33:49
have nothing in your hands after attention you00:33:51
still have to take a00:33:52
step back and have lucidity and00:33:55
prepare yourself as the person00:33:57
on the phone said said she has she Stéphane00:34:00
practiced the arts martial arts does00:34:02
this have the effect of preparing oneself00:34:03
so either by preparing oneself00:34:06
mentally also one is not obliged00:34:07
to be a champion in00:34:08
martial arts but it gives confidence it00:34:11
gives confidence 'insurance it allows you to00:34:12
take a step back and when you have a step back00:34:14
you know you are much more00:34:15
serene we are no longer a stalker a00:34:18
person who is going to attack you uh00:34:21
she has this slightly animal thing of going00:34:23
towards the person most weak that he00:34:25
feels it if you are yeah you are00:34:27
prepared you are in the metro already00:34:28
you don't have your nose on your phone00:34:30
but you look at the people you have00:34:31
less chance of being attacked00:34:33
those who do the shootings will00:34:36
attack people more easily00:34:37
who are focused on their phone00:34:39
you are a woman you are small00:34:41
you are an easy target you00:34:43
are a I had a French teacher00:34:44
like that who was not very not very00:34:46
tall quite petite but she had her eye00:34:49
everywhere she looked all the students00:34:51
straight in the eyes I can00:34:52
assure you that we had a00:34:55
quiet year ah yeah she looked in00:34:58
their eyes she was not afraid a00:35:00
determination that is to say that she was00:35:02
not physically strong but she was00:35:04
sure of herself that she was sure of not being00:35:06
attacked because she certainly had00:35:07
the means and as00:35:10
we didn't know these means of00:35:11
response we really didn't want to00:35:13
titillate estébane we have France00:35:16
calling us from Toulon in the Var00:35:18
hello France Hello France yes00:35:20
hello sir to Aton I00:35:22
always wanted in this spirit of00:35:24
defense especially for women and you00:35:27
showed on a video the C00:35:28
defendeer tool only this this article00:35:31
that I wanted has been out of stock00:35:34
for several months in California00:35:36
is it possible then first question00:35:39
do we have the right to possess it in00:35:40
France second question where can we00:35:42
obtain it I have already00:35:44
been attacked I know how to defend myself but00:35:46
I am 73 years old today I would no longer have00:35:49
the same strength especially if and this tool00:35:51
can also be a deterrent and it does not kill00:35:54
but it does it can it hurts very much00:35:56
like cubotane so00:35:59
precise question very precise question well00:36:01
listen thank you so it's true that00:36:02
I went I went00:36:04
a lot to the United States and it's true00:36:05
that they have a vision that is00:36:06
completely different from ours00:36:08
and I have a friend who developed a tool00:36:10
called the self-defended00:36:11
Survival tool which is in fact a00:36:14
tool for cutting seat belts00:36:15
and breaking windows but00:36:17
when he put it in my hands I00:36:19
saw it as a other usefulness that is to say,00:36:20
really something for self-00:36:22
defense to carry out strikes but which00:36:24
do not kill which are not lethal00:36:25
but it hurts uh so this I am00:36:27
very familiar with this instrument which00:36:29
speaks of yes yes yes I 'I actually tried to00:36:30
sell it in00:36:32
France and it's extremely complicated00:36:33
because in fact uh why well00:36:36
people actually respond straight away ah00:36:38
but I'm not going to take that because00:36:40
if I'm afraid if I'm controlled00:36:42
with I'm afraid of being bothered so00:36:44
people are actually afraid of having00:36:45
something to defend themselves because they're00:36:47
afraid of the law of J is that it's00:36:48
allowed in France or not your00:36:50
knowledge then this tool is not00:36:51
categorized so it is not prohibited00:36:54
after me I recommend I have one00:36:56
in the car I don't have one there if I00:36:57
had it on me I will give it to you would have shown00:36:59
but I have one in the car and00:37:00
indeed it is a very nice tool00:37:02
but there are several there are00:37:04
several things the bomb the00:37:05
crimogen it's the same but you have to00:37:06
know the law you have to but then at00:37:09
a given moment we must also00:37:10
assume that the law is not00:37:12
moral well yes of course the law is not00:37:14
moral so when the law is not00:37:16
moral that is when morality will justify00:37:18
your reaction justice will not00:37:21
will not justify it as far as I am concerned00:37:23
I assume I00:37:25
prefer like that to know that it is00:37:28
not illegal to have the instrument of having00:37:31
something or or or and then and then00:37:32
what Madam says I find that I I'm00:37:34
73 years old I want to defend myself see00:37:36
I'm going to go further you know00:37:39
there are people they have the grandfather's rifle00:37:40
that's what's happening but this00:37:42
rifle is not necessarily declared you00:37:45
don't have the right to have it at home00:37:46
you have a control you are in trouble00:37:48
it's sure good already before the00:37:49
gendarmes come to your house for this00:37:50
rifle they must have it except that sorry00:37:52
I interrupt you on you have00:37:55
government asked for it a year and a00:37:56
half ago to pick up all the weapons00:37:59
including that of the grandfather yes00:38:01
in the same period we congratulated the00:38:03
Ukrainians who take the grandfather's rifles00:38:05
to defend the country you00:38:07
see a little of the VO the contradictions00:38:09
the contradictions but if you use00:38:11
a weapon which is not declared that you00:38:13
have it the grandfather's rifle some00:38:14
long like that with a few cartridges00:38:16
in case you know it is transmitted if00:38:18
you are within the framework of the self-00:38:20
defense and we explain it well inside00:38:22
you will not be prosecuted00:38:25
for that, that's good to know00:38:27
we have Jean-Claude who is calling us from00:38:28
the essand hello Jean-Claude hello00:38:30
Jean-Claude hello hello On the radio00:38:33
hello sir berkof and hello to00:38:34
you guests very interesting super00:38:37
interesting already congratulations to your00:38:39
author because I find that his00:38:40
curriculum well if we didn't have this kind of00:38:43
person I think it would be very00:38:46
very difficult in certain00:38:47
circumstances me the question I00:38:49
wanted to ask your or between Guillet to00:38:51
your writers me I am 69 years old I am 6900:38:55
years old uh I was not born in the00:38:58
last week I wanted to ask the00:39:00
question to your guests we have we still have00:39:03
two ministers two00:39:06
important ministers when even in France the00:39:07
Minister of the Interior and the Minister00:39:09
of Justice keep jumping when you00:39:11
have a Minister of the Interior who00:39:13
tells us00:39:14
citizens indeed citizens we are00:39:16
not here to do justice we are00:39:18
not there to do the police but who00:39:19
tells us no problem the police are00:39:23
Radigue and we have actually avoided a00:39:25
lot of things so much the better I want to00:39:27
say so much the better and then the Minister of00:39:29
Justice who explains to us because00:39:31
that's still strong of coffee but there00:39:33
is no insecurity in France Sir00:39:35
there is a feeling of insecurity there00:39:38
we are who are fantasizing there is a00:39:39
feeling of insecurity so Sir00:39:42
excuse me don't you believe00:39:43
What level of the executive we should00:39:45
already take our responsibilities a little bit00:39:46
before telling us00:39:48
start training, we should00:39:50
perhaps say that we are not in a00:39:51
very safe country, that00:39:54
's it, so I, you know, I don't00:39:58
get angry I no longer watch TV, I've stopped, I00:40:00
'm getting ulcers, I'm putting that00:40:02
aside a little because I can't00:40:03
act if it's not good for the elections00:40:06
and I still have to find the00:40:07
right one and that's a not very complicated uh the same as00:40:10
the ministers the ministers not this succeeds00:40:12
and well we always have the same answers00:40:14
so well for me personally I00:40:17
take responsibility for myself and I tell myself that I am00:40:19
at my height with my abilities00:40:21
what am I able to do to do00:40:22
and what am I able00:40:23
to contribute so this book is not an00:40:25
observation it is not what00:40:27
can politicians do we are00:40:28
NOT giving advice to politicians because that00:40:30
I don't I didn't study00:40:31
to be a politician we just00:40:33
show common sense common sense and we say00:40:35
to everyone well there you will not be00:40:38
you will not be we will not help00:40:40
in in the minute in within00:40:43
10 minutes maybe so what00:40:45
can you do at your level and and00:40:47
it's true that you have to get your head off the00:40:49
phone a little and then reestablish some00:40:50
social relations with your neighbor then00:40:52
you can be angry with your neighbor but00:40:54
you can also be in agreement with your00:40:55
neighbor to watch your stranger's house00:40:57
and when you leave it's him who does it00:40:59
and that's actually what we need to re-establish a00:41:01
bit of a real social dialogue a real00:41:03
action in fact what you say to your00:41:04
and I believe that it is very important00:41:06
everyone must take responsibility already00:41:09
help yourself and perhaps the others00:41:11
will help you but help yourself exactly00:41:13
exactly thank you thank you very much to us for00:41:15
having been with us we remember this00:41:17
book prepare for the worst it was released00:41:19
by Albin Michel thank you allDescription:
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