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0:00
Entretien avec le journaliste Zhulin Zhang
0:50
Organisation du système de propagande chinois
1:45
La liberté d'expression en Chine
3:03
Le récit national de la Chine
4:30
Être journaliste en Chine
5:40
Qu'est ce qu'est en train de devenir la Chine de Xi Jinping ?
6:50
Le système de surveillance chinois
8:00
Le système de "crédit social"
9:25
L'impact du Covid sur le contrôle social exacerbé
10:14
Le détournement des mots de la part du gouvernement chinois
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all these subjects all their subjects before
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publication all the papers must
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pass the control of the advertising monitoring of the
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propaganda office
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dear friends of Dessous des Cartes it is
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time for your lesson in geopolitics
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and this week it's with you pretty
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Jong welcome thank you hello you were
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born in China in the province of Fujihan
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and for years you have been reporting
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on the news from your country of origin
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for French media including
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Courrier International and you have just
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published this fascinating book the
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surveillance company made in China from
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Éditions de l'Aube a book to
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tell the facts of life stories
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behind what we call a
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dictatorial regime so to begin with you
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tell about a conditioning system
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which generates voluntary submission
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with the propaganda that begins from
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kindergarten and this encouragement to
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denunciation from a very young age
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tell us two weeks ago I saw
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China launching a
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science competition that means encouraging
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mutual nations between
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precisely this morning I read in fact make
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a slogan a photo it says that
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mutual telling is better for the good
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of you so I think that this is
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perhaps to make a society
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healthier the governance that perhaps we
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must denounce all what I negative
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for perhaps precisely to
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force a citizen to behave in an
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exemplary manner
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are the precise examples of what
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we risk when we criticize, for
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example, Beijing's policy I think
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that for the majority of Chinese you
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think that the criticism can bring back
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the coating boredom we can no longer
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really publish our message all
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the condoms have been blocked you think that
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it's already pretty serious things a
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society if we can't
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we hope
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what one of the consequences that have been
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identified is for example the fact of
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suddenly no longer having access
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to wechat social networks
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can you remind us what
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wechat is is it that this can have a
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consequence for the life of an
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ordinary Chinese if suddenly he no longer has his
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wechat account almost all Chinese
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have a wechat con because in fact
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it is already very easy to communicate
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with the people the Chinese in China or
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the Chinese abroad for example me
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my friends for the maturity of the Chinese
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live in China in fact their really
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closely linked
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access it is settled the brother the bill
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pay the bill with the widget where
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it takes a taxi also it is paid by
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wechat so that's
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something it's a little less an
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essential element for a life in
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China so Chinese citizens
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support this permanent control
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you say because there is all this
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national story according to which China is the
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safest and most secure country in the world
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while elsewhere it is chaos
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tell us yes for example during
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the strike in Paris some
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time ago
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incredible he says don't pay attention either you
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stay at home you work at home
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like that
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it's a national sport for the
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French so we've never seen a
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security problem during of course there are
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violent confrontations but we can we can we can
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state this violence there is no
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problem, it's not how we exploit a
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society and in fact there are
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violent things, police violence and
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political violence, there is
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political oppression and administrative oppression,
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but we endure all that, we can not speak
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but the Chinese I think that they are
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not killed either the Chinese maturity
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because the highest of the propaganda
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they are always
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devoted the time to criticize the
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foreign countries it is a CHINESE
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certainly of why
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I count with us there the
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enemies arrive the scandals why our
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profession we don't deal with we don't
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discuss we can't criticize we ca
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n't command can you
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tell us what it means in
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2023 to be a journalist in China what
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the city looks like the daily work
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of a Chinese journalist in China all
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these subjects all the subject before
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publication all the papers must pass
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the control the advertising monitoring of the
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propaganda office he
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regularly receives a note which indicates
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certain subjects he cannot cover
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it is a word or certain themes but
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that's why that's why in my book
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also I indicated that in a country of 4
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billion inhabitants there remained
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76 investigative journalists that's
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very very few the government Chinese he
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imposed he is in the world on
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Chinese journalists you only
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deal with positive subjects because he does
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n't want a single perfect negative event
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in the Chinese media that's
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very difficult to be able to be a journalist
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so of course we talk a lot to
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talk to you a lot of this Chinese doctor
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Lewandjang who was the whistleblower
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on covid his story what does
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it tell us about what is
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becoming China if Jean
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Ping
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he said that a healthy society ca
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n't have one voice that means
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what does that mean protest also the
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censorship of the Chinese government but I
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think that unfortunately the majority
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of Chinese in this society in fact
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he is he doesn't care about this
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association of this situation the former
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Prime Minister Christians have 2000
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we are friends in fact he announced that
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in a country with 4 billion
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inhabitants there are 600 thousand Chinese
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that was almost 40% Chinese living
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on 13001
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resources per month that means
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13230 euros the first objective is
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how we can live mechanically we will
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find the region slowly to buy
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something for us who these children
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tell me what for them they are no
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graves yet to ask you for
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freedom it's not possible you think that
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this is a Nepal the upper stage
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that is why we must also understand
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the Chinese majority does not comment
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in the book you tell about this country with
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2 billion surveillance cameras
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or half of all the cameras
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deployed in the world what is that
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as a consequence there again a country which
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lives with cameras pointed everywhere around everyone
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it is the system it is the intelligence of
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BCC
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of Chinese communist because
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this system is good surveillance
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we spent a lot of money
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we bought we equipped the
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surveillance cameras for you for
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your security that's why it
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works but it's also true in China
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in the big cities
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there are very few little slings the
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thief one thing it's very very little
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because in fact it's after once
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arrested I think the consequences
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are very severe and it's not like in
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France you tell us very well
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too in your book this alliance at the
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bottom of a dictatorial regime and
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technology with cameras with the
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collection of personal data
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processed by artificial intelligence
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and all that also gives this so-called
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social credit system can you please tell
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us explain how it works if
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someone does something good
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deed he can earn a few points if
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it's not maybe he forgot where he got
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he's dragged to pay his brothers
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it's his taxes for example in fact he
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can deduce what point
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above certain points in fact it
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will be classified how someone lacks
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credibility or is untrustworthy you
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tell and we know that there are
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recorded cases of people who
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suddenly for example do not could no longer
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leave the territory because they
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had bad social credit I
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waited now he is a journalist
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in a national media
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traveling to meet
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people well for recruitment for
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interviews the moment when we are going to say you
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buy the tickets for 'plane it is seen
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that in fact he can more he can more in
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fact he disappointed the black list and I
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think that the fault comes from his father
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because in fact his father he was there is
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a matter of apartment sold my
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season one thing what would you
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say that this covid period
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precisely it gave the
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Chinese dictatorship additional means to
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control the population does the
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population
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feel this social control was exacerbated
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I think that they have more legitimate
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control because it is in the name of
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the public health of the Chinese when even
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especially young people they criticize he
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denounces the government perhaps going
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too far because I am going to do a
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report also for the
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diplomatic on a movement was born
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the year last to take the cockpit
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the young Chinese they no longer want to
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have children precisely to respond
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for to precisely take the this
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system of authoritarian or dictatorial
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it pulls in fact we we want you do not want to
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give the senses to our children who
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still live under a system there is its
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freedom you analyze very well John
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underlines the way in which the Chinese regime
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diverts Western words or concepts
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the word democracy for
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example or the word multilateralism so
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that in a certain way we do
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not qualify China as a dictatorship
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is -what can you tell us about this
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misappropriation of words, that's why
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education is propaganda and it's very
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important and on the intelligence of
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Chinese propaganda in fact it's
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really we can see here he says in
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China he says we have China also
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it is a democratic country according to Beijing
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but with Chinese characteristics
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that's it but
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I also discussed this subject with a
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Chinese professor I still say
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when I returned to China I wave
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the slogans
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freedom the expression Bala all that
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is not all display in the big
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cities and the slogans but my friend
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professor he told me that you mean
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precisely by the word democracy or
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freedom you are who I am made of paper and
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you don't need to stay 5 minutes in
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the street you would be summoned by a
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policeman you will be brought by a policeman
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there is now but how can we
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imagine that if it is a democratic testimony country
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we cannot even pronounce
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this word we can't we can't even
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demonstrate this word in a public space
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and everything is there we don't need
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to explain anymore is it a
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democratic country or not a country where we
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can't pronounce the word democracy
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in the street
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or on a social network thank you Julie Chan
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I remind you that you are publishing the
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surveillance company made in China a book
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that we recommend publishing by
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Editions de l'Aube see you very soon thank
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you for following us thank you for
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your loyalty and see you
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next week for a new lesson in
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geopolitics see you soon
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[Music]

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Plus de 2 milliards de caméras de surveillance parsèment le territoire chinois, presque deux par habitants. Couplée à une censure et à une propagande intense dès l’enfance, cette surveillance contrôle la vie des Chinois jusque dans les moindres détails. Tolérance zéro pour la moindre opposition. Zhulin Zhang, journaliste français d’origine chinoise nous décrit la réalité quotidienne d’un régime totalitaire. Il est l'auteur de ""La société de surveillance made in China", et journaliste à "Courrier International". Quelle perception les Chinois ont-ils de cette surveillance omniprésente ? Comment les journalistes chinois travaillent-ils ? Qu’est-ce que le crédit social ? Quelles conséquences peut-il avoir sur la vie d’une personne ? Quel sens la Chine donne-t-elle au mot démocratie ? Interview et réalisation : Émilie Aubry Assistée de : Alice Dossin Montage : Martin Saison Production : Angèle Le Névé, Juliette Droillard, Rudy Chambard Iconographie : Tous droits réservés © ARTE France - Mai 2023 "La société de surveillance made in China", Zhang Zhulin, éditions de l'Aube https://editionsdelaube.fr/catalogue_de_livres/la-societe-de-surveillance-made-in-china/ 00:00 Entretien avec le journaliste Zhulin Zhang 00:50 Organisation du système de propagande chinois 1:45 La liberté d'expression en Chine 03:03 Le récit national de la Chine 04:30 Être journaliste en Chine 05:40 Qu'est ce qu'est en train de devenir la Chine de Xi Jinping ? 06:50 Le système de surveillance chinois 08:00 Le système de "crédit social" 09:25 L'impact du Covid sur le contrôle social exacerbé 10:14 Le détournement des mots de la part du gouvernement chinois 👉 La “Leçon de Géopolitique” : une vidéo postée chaque vendredi, pour réviser les bases. 📕L'atlas "Le Dessous des Cartes - Le retour de la guerre", d'Émilie Aubry et Frank Tétart, Tallandier et Arte Editions https://boutique.arte.tv/detail/le-dessous-des-cartes-le-retour-de-la-guerre 👉Abonnez-vous à notre chaîne ! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHGMBrXUzClgjEzBMei-Jdw/?sub_confirmation=1 👉Retrouvez également Le Dessous des cartes sur Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser 💻Retrouvez toutes les émissions d'Émilie Aubry en VOD : https://boutique.arte.tv/detail/dessous_des_cartes_collection 👉L’intégrale des émissions de Jean-Christophe Victor (VOD et DVD) sur la boutique d’ARTE. https://boutique.arte.tv/search?q=dessous%20des%20cartes

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