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Hello There is a live review from00:00:40
bild after repelling an Iranian attack in00:00:42
Israel, there is a discussion going on What should be the00:00:44
answer in more detail We00:00:47
will talk about this with the Israeli journalist,00:00:49
author of the Telegram channel war with the horde00:00:51
Sergei Auslander Hello Sergei00:00:54
hello Maxim Well, let's first00:00:57
understand Is it necessary To answer Israel00:01:00
Well, in theory, in terms of what is00:01:02
called Yes, in the Middle East you need to00:01:05
answer, that00:01:07
is, it was a direct act of war, in general, a00:01:10
direct act of aggression on the part of Iran00:01:13
Iran this time, yes, it broke a little00:01:15
Frankly, the usual paradigm00:01:16
did not act with the hands of its proxies, did not00:01:19
carry out any - sabotage there are secret00:01:21
operations, but it launched a direct strike from its00:01:24
territory on the territory of Israel and in00:01:26
theory this should not go00:01:28
unpunished, but since there are00:01:30
various circumstances there, there is now00:01:33
a discussion going on, or rather not a discussion going on. Apparently, it has00:01:36
already been completed and00:01:38
some kind of decision has been made then the decision on the form of the Israeli00:01:41
response, what it will be, I don’t know, I can’t00:01:43
say. There are different options, but00:01:46
some kind of answer will follow you because,00:01:49
in theory, this formula is that now, in00:01:52
response to any Israeli action against00:01:54
Iran, Iran can strike directly00:01:56
at our territories from ours need to be00:01:58
destroyed immediately But how this will be00:02:00
done I still find it difficult to say00:02:03
Sergei Let’s talk about how00:02:05
Israel managed to cope with this00:02:07
blow And how do you answer this00:02:12
question? It turned out successfully This is how I00:02:14
answer this question Yes,00:02:17
Israel has been investing for 30 years in the creation of a00:02:20
multi-tiered air00:02:22
defense system, which it did00:02:24
not have until the early nineties of the last century,00:02:26
all these conclusions were00:02:28
made after the Gulf War, the first00:02:30
when Iraq fired00:02:32
ballistic missiles at Israeli territory,00:02:34
Israel did not have its own air defense, aviation00:02:36
could not cope with this threat,00:02:38
the Americans deployed here are our00:02:40
patriots who also could not cope with it00:02:41
because some of the missiles00:02:43
flew and hit. That is, there were casualties, the00:02:45
destruction was not large-scale, but00:02:47
nevertheless, a conclusion was drawn from this, contrary00:02:50
to the opinion of many generals there00:02:52
who, by the way, are very fond of preparing for the last00:02:54
war, as we know that it is necessary to develop an00:02:57
air defense system and missile00:02:59
defense Well, all these developments have begun00:03:14
with the00:03:16
allies, this is the level of coordination00:03:19
that we demonstrated, the Americans, the00:03:21
British, Jordan and the Saudis, and in general, everyone00:03:24
who took part in repelling this00:03:26
attack. I want to say right away that00:03:28
now it is very common00:03:30
that the American Armed Forces were shot down and they defended00:03:33
Israel, so this is00:03:35
wrong, all the allies together taken,00:03:37
shot down three 2T targets, we shot down aviation and00:03:41
missile defense, including 12000:03:44
ballistic missiles, well, almost all of them,00:03:46
several missiles flew to the batting base00:03:49
in the south, so the highest level of coordination was00:03:52
achieved.00:04:02
by the00:04:05
Americans and this is the actual result00:04:07
we are seeing, the most massive00:04:10
one-time combined missile and00:04:12
drone attack was repelled without00:04:16
practically material damage and, thank God,00:04:19
without material damage and without00:04:20
human casualties. Yes, a wounded Seven-year-old00:04:22
Bedouin girl00:04:25
would have00:04:28
literally caused damage. Now the Iranians would not be00:04:30
talking there about the fact that everything the00:04:32
intended targets were hit, using the00:04:34
well-known expression of General Konoshenko,00:04:36
so00:04:37
no targets were hit, and00:04:41
four holes in the ground at the Neva00:04:44
Atim airbase - well, it’s hard to consider it a successful00:04:47
attack given its scale Sergei Well,00:04:50
you just said about the role of the allies00:04:52
and in a sense we hear reproaches to00:04:55
these very same allies why they00:04:57
also don’t work in Ukraine I don’t00:05:00
know I can’t say about this but00:05:04
again it’s difficult to say after00:05:07
all Russia is a nuclear power Iran00:05:09
Not yet, in any case, or00:05:12
not yet considered one, then you have to understand00:05:15
that your relations Israel00:05:18
has been building with its allies Well, for almost half a century, starting00:05:21
with the signing of a peace treaty with00:05:23
Egypt at the beginning and to this day, a00:05:26
peace treaty with Jordan, which00:05:28
depends on probably much more00:05:30
even than we do from it, that is, we are suddenly00:05:32
suddenly interested in both the Abrahamic00:05:35
Accords and numerous00:05:38
bilateral agreements with the Americans and the British00:05:40
and so on in the field of security and00:05:42
such cooperation Yes, all this was a00:05:45
very long one, it was a long time,00:05:47
work was done, as if the indignation00:05:50
of the Ukrainians can be completely understood here,00:05:52
yes, that is, Okay, no one sends planes to shoot down missiles,00:05:55
but at least they could I00:05:58
don’t know if I could give them five00:06:00
Patriot batteries, which by the way are available, they00:06:03
just don’t give them for some reason. But why00:06:06
can’t I answer this question? This00:06:09
question should be addressed to the White House there00:06:11
or to the European Parliament Well, somewhere to those00:06:13
structures against the backdrop of this Iranian strike, the00:06:17
situation in gas seemed to fade into the background.00:06:19
And what is happening there now? Well,00:06:23
now we can say that there is a calm there00:06:26
because the whole focus of attention was00:06:27
now, of course, focused on the00:06:30
situation with Iran, plus in the north our00:06:32
armed forces have become sharply complicated. Today I was00:06:34
in an Israeli Arab village in the00:06:36
north, there were a lot of wounded, then they tried to shoot down an00:06:39
evacuation helicopter, it’s close00:06:41
to the border, there’s artillery there, the aviation is now00:06:43
responding with strikes on Lebanon,00:06:45
it feels like Iran00:06:48
gave the command to Khila to escalate the situation00:06:50
in order to somehow prevent00:06:51
retaliatory Israeli strike00:06:59
in they are withdrawn from there, there will remain only one00:07:02
Nahal Infantry Brigade which00:07:04
holds the00:07:06
Karim line Well, it divides the enclave in half,00:07:09
separating the northern part from the southern and 40100:07:12
Tank for support, but it is located00:07:14
on Israeli territory, if necessary,00:07:16
its units enter Gaza, there are00:07:18
attacks on Gaza - as before, now they are00:07:20
mainly processing a place called Nusrat,00:07:23
it’s called the center of the enclave, where it00:07:25
is believed that there is still a00:07:28
combat-capable Hamas battalion there, there00:07:30
are raids. Well, in general, this reminds me of00:07:31
the situation of what is happening in the West00:07:33
Bank or in Judea Samaria, like us00:07:35
we call it, that is, in fact, Israel00:07:37
has moved to the third phase of the company, but00:07:40
separately in this whole equation00:07:43
stands Rafah, in which the Rafeh Brigade is the so-00:07:46
called four battalions of Hamas, in00:07:48
which apparently its leaders are located, there00:07:50
are hostages, and now the00:07:53
issue with the operation in Rafah, in theory, is being resolved the00:07:55
last city that Hamas00:07:57
controls in Gaza and Israel intends to00:08:00
carry out an operation there to destroy00:08:02
these Hamas battalions to destroy the00:08:04
leadership of Hamas There and so on when00:08:06
it starts I don’t know They say that there is00:08:09
a date but the date is a thing These are numbers numbers00:08:11
yes or one or two and its you can always00:08:14
change it, move it there, postpone it, and so00:08:16
on, so now everyone is a little00:08:18
distracted by this whole story with Iran and00:08:21
will apparently have to return to the story with00:08:25
ha. When I was in Israel, talk to those00:08:28
who are on the right, one way or another. Both of them00:08:31
say that Netanyahu - this is someone00:08:33
who is interested in war because00:08:35
war allows him to remain in power. Do00:08:37
you agree with this assessment? Well,00:08:39
it looks exactly like this. It’s not that I00:08:43
’m leftist or rightist.00:08:46
I don’t belong to either. a00:08:48
supporter of00:08:53
Netanyahu is going on.00:08:55
The war needs to somehow end this story,00:08:58
but it still doesn’t end and it’s00:09:00
dragging on; soon it will be 200 days since00:09:02
it’s been dragging on and the end of the edge is not visible,00:09:06
and before this Iranian attack,00:09:10
on the one hand, there was such a terrible loss of00:09:11
pace in the gas Yes in the same rafah it00:09:14
was necessary to go in, in theory, somewhere conditionally00:09:16
in January, no one would have said a word, but00:09:19
for some00:09:20
reason they didn’t come in now, and before the00:09:24
Iranian attack, we lost the credit of trust00:09:26
that we had so00:09:27
absolute after 7 October, after this00:09:29
massacre, it faded away, although it lasted00:09:33
quite a long time, but now it00:09:34
has recovered again thanks to this00:09:36
Iranian attack, this is how it is being used. I00:09:38
don’t know, it’s clear that the War is going on, they do00:09:42
n’t change horses there at the crossing. We know00:09:44
this principle, and so on, but in general,00:09:46
as far as I understand, if00:09:48
elections are held now, then Netanyahu will not win them, that00:09:51
is, polls, in any case, polls there are00:09:53
very different, show that he00:09:56
will lose these elections and the coalition will not assemble,00:09:59
accordingly, probably yes. In a00:10:01
sense, it would be beneficial for him to drag out this00:10:04
war but it’s also impossible to drag it out indefinitely,00:10:06
because the longer you00:10:07
drag it out, the less chance he has anyway.00:10:09
Then, sooner or00:10:11
later, elections will happen; in the end,00:10:13
the government’s term of office00:10:14
will end. So this is such a00:10:17
controversial moment, partly smacks of00:10:19
conspiracy theories; in the end there is not only one who00:10:21
makes a decision, there is a00:10:23
war cabinet, there is a general staff, which00:10:25
also has its own opinion there, and so on,00:10:27
but due to the fact that all this whole00:10:29
story happened once and lasts for a very00:10:31
long time, the longest war in the history of00:10:34
the state, not counting the war of00:10:36
independence but it went there in00:10:38
completely different historical conditions,00:10:39
circumstances or a war of attrition,00:10:41
but it went far, it was00:10:43
actually a border conflict, this is the00:10:45
longest war, the people are tired and the people00:10:48
want something to be decided somehow, it00:10:50
already needs to be ended with Victory and not with victory00:10:53
but you have to finish it somehow, and00:10:55
all the way he repeats this favorite00:10:58
favorite word combination Hon hla That is,00:11:01
complete Victory,00:11:03
but when you try to ask him How does he00:11:07
even see this complete victory for himself, he00:11:09
cannot explain yes What are the contours of it,00:11:11
where is that one rest over which you need to00:11:13
stick that same red flag there or00:11:15
don’t know the flag with David And that’s it And we00:11:17
won what is the picture of Victory00:11:19
in the World Cup what will it look like00:11:22
he can’t answer this question yet,00:11:24
in any case So there is such a difference00:11:29
in this political structure where the fate of the00:11:32
hostages is, how much hope is there00:11:34
that they will return or at least some of00:11:37
them will return00:11:39
alive, I don’t know this is a painful, very00:11:42
complex question, everyone here understands perfectly well00:11:44
that not all the hostages are alive out of00:11:46
those 134 that remained after the November00:11:49
deal with Hamas Hamas itself he00:11:52
actually admitted this when he said that at the00:11:54
first stage of the deal, when he had to00:11:56
release 40 like him,00:11:59
that is, well, these are women,00:12:02
children, men over 50 years old, not00:12:05
related to military personnel and00:12:07
people in serious condition, so00:12:10
he said that he does not have such forty00:12:12
who fall under this category under00:12:14
this Although according to the list They seem to exist,00:12:16
that is, well, in fact, they admitted that00:12:18
these people are not alive or this is their game on00:12:21
their part, such a psychological one, and so00:12:22
on, Israel has00:12:25
never encountered a problem with hostages, no one has ever00:12:27
encountered such a situation when so00:12:29
many hundreds of hostages ended up in the00:12:31
hands of terrorists on the territory00:12:34
that they control Well, a00:12:36
terrible problem seemed to arise and it is clear00:12:39
that there00:12:42
were three such successful attempts to free these hostages by military means,00:12:45
that is, three people were00:12:47
returned as a result of special00:12:48
operations But the rest have not yet worked00:12:51
and military pressure Apparently there was00:12:54
such a principle in the government: we are increasing00:12:56
military pressure on Hamas and making it00:12:58
more of a00:12:59
slander does not demonstrate by setting00:13:02
obviously impossible conditions obviously00:13:04
impossible So Hamas is stalling for time,00:13:07
time is working for it, as they believe in00:13:09
Hamas, it has hostages and in general00:13:12
the situation so extremely and extremely sad00:13:15
Sergey Are there any results of the00:13:17
investigation into why October 700:13:20
became possible? Are there any00:13:22
outlines of who is00:13:27
to blame? Well, in order for the00:13:30
results of the investigation to appear, the investigation itself needs to00:13:32
begin; it doesn’t exist and it’s00:13:34
not being conducted; that’s also One from such00:13:36
principles that let’s not00:13:38
conduct any investigations now, but it is00:13:41
partly correct in the sense that many00:13:43
people who are subject to this00:13:45
investigation are now at war. Yes, they are00:13:47
in charge of the army by the special services and it would probably be somehow possible to00:13:49
distract them there00:13:51
to work with this commission00:13:54
inappropriate everyone really hopes00:13:56
that after the war a00:13:59
state commission will be created, we have00:14:01
two types of commissions, there is a00:14:03
government commission, there is a state00:14:05
government commission - this00:14:07
government checks itself and the00:14:09
main principle during the investigation is not to00:14:11
expose ourselves, as in the famous00:14:13
joke, a state commission is00:14:16
this is how it was after the Yom Kippur War00:14:17
after the Second Lebanon, after the deal there was a00:14:21
lot of mischief and so on, as a rule, it00:14:22
is headed by a retired judge, that is, there are00:14:25
people who are completely unrelated to the00:14:27
government;00:14:33
on the basis of00:14:34
which Booth makes decisions, everyone00:14:36
hopes that there will be such a commission00:14:39
because if it doesn’t then there will be no price at all.00:14:41
Everyone here is literally here, but00:14:43
overall it all looks like a catastrophic00:14:46
absolutely failure of the military-political00:14:48
leadership at all levels literally from the00:14:50
command of the southern district where this all00:14:53
happened00:14:58
mini talk about the fact that the00:15:00
prime minister was deceived and there are also some of00:15:02
his kind of admirers.00:15:04
Yes, it’s just funny in Israel that’s how everything00:15:08
works. That the prime minister bears00:15:09
ultimate responsibility for everything that00:15:11
happens, but he’s not the only one and the00:15:13
chief of the general staff is to blame. Military00:15:15
intelligence and Shabak and Massad and so on are00:15:18
all literally to blame for this failure, but00:15:21
for now, since there is no investigation,00:15:25
we’ll wait until it happens, when this00:15:26
happens, again, it’s hard to say00:15:28
for at least to finish the active phase of00:15:31
the war and then they will sort it out.00:15:35
Thank you very much Sergei got in00:15:37
touch and answered questions Goodbye goodbye00:15:39
goodbye the ruling00:15:42
party in Georgia wants to pass a law on00:15:44
foreign agents this is not the first country to00:15:46
pass a law similar to00:15:48
the Russian one about this we will talk with the00:15:50
editor-in-chief of the new newspaper Europe00:15:52
Kirill00:15:57
Martynovra Why Georgia wants to00:16:00
pass this the law and why there00:16:02
are protests there about this, it00:16:04
seems to me that for Georgia this is the00:16:06
Key question which is:00:16:09
Will Georgia develop according to the00:16:11
Russian scenario? Will Georgia be a00:16:14
satellite of Russia and will00:16:16
Georgian orders be reminiscent of Russian ones? In00:16:19
fact, there is a long-standing debate about this the00:16:22
ruling party has the00:16:24
Georgian dream and this party and,00:16:29
accordingly, its leaders are00:16:31
rightly associated with the Russian00:16:33
regime because both the money and well, the methods of00:16:37
action of the Georgian dream are completely00:16:40
Russian or pro-Russian, at00:16:43
least the law about foreign agents In general,00:16:45
it has become a symbol of resistance for00:16:47
Georgian society where there is still00:16:49
democracy multi-party system is00:16:52
a kind of Freedom Media Well, there is00:16:54
the right of citizens00:16:56
to assemble to express their00:16:59
opinion, including in the squares and streets of00:17:03
Tbilisi, for the first time, Georgian society,00:17:06
as we remember, fought off this law00:17:08
because Georgia does not want to be00:17:09
Russia in any territorial sense00:17:12
words, of course, not in a symbolic way, Georgia00:17:15
wants Georgian society to demand that00:17:18
Georgia become part of the European Union,00:17:21
we know that Georgian society treats00:17:23
Russia as an occupier country, but at the same00:17:26
time, cabbage soup00:17:30
voters who appear there too In00:17:33
general, with the help of, among other things, Russian00:17:35
technologies that allow them to00:17:37
carry out their own policy and the00:17:40
main person who is00:17:42
delighted with this now publicly, by the way, is00:17:44
Dmitry Medvedev, who says that00:17:46
finally in Georgia they have come to their00:17:48
senses again and they will have this wonderful00:17:51
law, no one is theirs, this00:17:59
law is in effect, it really has been changing in00:18:00
recent years tightening Is it possible to00:18:03
say that this law ultimately00:18:06
somehow strengthened the Putin regime, some of00:18:09
its00:18:11
success? Well, I think that it did not weaken it00:18:14
because, after all, it is usually for a00:18:18
person who is faced with a stigma00:18:20
against an Agent. This is very serious, as we00:18:23
understand loss of various rights, first of all, you are00:18:30
deprived of a large00:18:32
amount of opportunities for earning money, you00:18:35
cannot teach, you cannot work00:18:37
with a government agency, you have no advertising00:18:40
contracts, after the new laws, and in00:18:42
principle, any of your public activity is00:18:45
very limited, in fact, this00:18:47
law throws you out of the group00:18:49
political emigrants, which, however,00:18:51
after the start of the battle in Ukraine,00:18:59
continues to live on00:19:00
agents and this law hits them the00:19:04
hardest, and00:19:06
this law is strengthened by Putinism in the00:19:09
sense that it seems to me that people What00:19:12
people are offered, strictly speaking, is this00:19:14
choice: either you or you agree in everything00:19:18
or are you loyal or are you saying what00:19:19
the authorities want to hear, especially if00:19:22
you have at least a minimal audience,00:19:24
or at any time you can be00:19:28
recognized as an agent in an illegal or judicial way, after which you will00:19:31
lose the opportunity to live in Russia, even00:19:34
if, for example, you do not speak out about the war00:19:35
and this is so very00:19:38
interesting, well, in general, I think that00:19:40
dictatorships are built on mistrust, it is important00:19:44
that there is a supreme Leader And all the00:19:46
other people did not trust each other and00:19:49
never supported each other, so00:19:50
foreign agents are a good way00:19:52
to split society into those who00:19:54
will remain on this side and become00:19:57
foreign agents and on those who, accordingly,00:20:00
will remain silent and express00:20:02
loyalty so that there00:20:04
is as little Solidarity as possible in society, as00:20:06
much fear and mistrust as possible. This is a00:20:09
good method of terror that is relatively00:20:10
mild until, again, Medvedev’s post00:20:14
called for the law on foreign agents to be radically00:20:17
tightened because apparently we are not00:20:19
suffering enough according to Dmitry00:20:22
Medvedev, it is necessary to introduce criminal00:20:24
liability immediately without any00:20:26
delay against agents, he00:20:29
wrote about this today in his00:20:31
famous telegram where he usually00:20:42
talks about the mumps because in general it is00:20:44
illegal to build a dam yourself00:20:46
Kirill, as far as you think the00:20:48
Putin regime today finds this00:20:51
balance between being a state00:20:54
that fully controls and00:20:55
cares for its citizens and, on the other00:20:57
hand, allowing the PTO to get out of00:21:00
such terrible situations as a flood on the00:21:03
one hand. Well, people are waiting00:21:06
either for some kind of compensation or for00:21:09
the opportunity to protect themselves from the elements, it00:21:12
turns out that neither one or00:21:14
the other, well, of course, there is no balance here,00:21:17
and this is especially evident in the example of00:21:19
comparison with the events of the flood in00:21:22
Krymsk during the00:21:27
Lenten decade; this was in the year00:21:30
12 years ago, and just then there was a very00:21:33
powerful volunteer movement in the wake of00:21:35
Bolotnaya, in the wake of such a Revival of00:21:38
Russian society, this the movement was00:21:40
not political, people just wanted to00:21:42
help each other And from there came the most00:21:45
noticeable private volunteer initiatives in recent decades. It00:21:47
seems to me00:21:49
Balan Let’s just remember Let’s00:21:51
remember the phrase of the governor of the00:21:53
Krasnodar region at that time that we had to go00:21:54
around every house Well00:21:57
Absolutely true Yes But if you If you00:21:59
you can’t go around every house, in principle,00:22:01
something similar and the current governors00:22:03
also say, but if you can’t00:22:04
do this, then at least don’t00:22:06
stop people from uniting and protecting their00:22:09
interests together, this balance is lost00:22:12
between this, this guardianship from the00:22:14
state00:22:16
and so that do not interfere with people defending00:22:19
their interests on their own and it is00:22:21
lost in exactly any textbook from00:22:24
social studies, which, by the way, is also00:22:25
removed from the school curriculum, probably00:22:27
precisely so that teenagers and00:22:30
children do not discuss it, do not00:22:33
talk about it. The fact is that we know from the00:22:36
basic course According to the social sciences, it is00:22:39
precisely a totalitarian society that00:22:41
presupposes that no unification of00:22:43
people is possible, the only way to00:22:46
do anything at all is to00:22:47
join the state and get00:22:50
permission from it to give it the opportunity to00:22:52
lead itself, and only after that00:22:54
any form of collective action is possible.00:22:56
And even in general, not at all not only00:22:58
political That is, if you are fighting a flood within the00:23:01
framework of some project of the00:23:03
All-Russian Popular Front.00:23:05
If you have00:23:07
sanctions from the governor and you have agreed on everything with everyone,00:23:09
then of course after that you00:23:12
can fight. And perhaps they00:23:13
will even give you money and something you can steal from00:23:16
this money and become a major official and a00:23:18
successful person, but if this does not win the00:23:21
movement of the citizens themselves, if they, for example,00:23:22
defend their houses on their own and00:23:25
build something, then this is dangerous for the00:23:27
state because today you are00:23:29
building flood protection. Tomorrow you00:23:33
will gather for some People's Assembly00:23:35
the day after tomorrow you will demand the resignation of the mayor00:23:38
then you doubt that the war is00:23:40
being waged fairly and people are dying. But00:23:43
these are all possible connections between people and00:23:46
forms of collective action they should00:23:49
destroy as methodically as possible00:23:51
for the same purpose for which00:23:53
the war is being waged Well, actually, the preservation and00:23:56
extension of the eternal power of the dictator00:23:58
Kirill. And if we talk about what00:24:01
conclusions these people should or00:24:03
should not draw, how much will this situation be remembered00:24:06
or will the state again00:24:09
be able to sell the idea that we00:24:12
are protecting you all? Give us freedom in exchange for00:24:14
sausage In00:24:17
the meantime, this is the state in its current form00:24:20
exists as long as the Putin00:24:22
dictatorship exists. I think that in00:24:26
principle there cannot be another scenario here. The state00:24:28
will sell this idea over and over again00:24:31
using the carrot and stick method, declaring00:24:34
that people, firstly, have no other00:24:36
options because otherwise they will be00:24:38
punished secondly, because00:24:39
sometimes the state may00:24:42
not benefit everyone, but something will break off for someone. What00:24:44
is called here And these people will00:24:46
feel good as this00:24:48
happens, for example, with payments for00:24:50
war participants. Well, everything else00:24:52
is clear, it happens on a residual00:24:54
basis but there is also someone there who wins this00:24:56
state00:24:58
losing lottery, there are win00:25:01
-win lotteries, we have a00:25:03
losing lottery, I repeat, this is simply00:25:06
political expediency,00:25:08
they can no longer act differently, and I think00:25:11
that now, in general, the idea of the00:25:13
Russian state is00:25:14
that that there is still some kind of00:25:17
gray zone where people do not unite with00:25:20
others with neighbors with like-minded people00:25:23
but have certain forms of personal00:25:27
freedoms. That is, you can somehow spin around00:25:28
doing something like What is00:25:30
called the garage economy to be00:25:32
somewhere in the gray zone Where you are00:25:35
not so easy to get If you have a not00:25:37
very interesting business If you are not a00:25:40
manufacturer of Makfa pasta, which00:25:42
should be nationalized because it00:25:43
means the owner is bad and00:25:45
unpatriotic and lives abroad And00:25:47
in general he has a Dark past, this00:25:49
idea of such an individual, very everyday00:25:53
Economic Freedom Yes, where is00:25:55
the state it is not present, it combines with00:25:58
the fact that the Armed Forces00:26:01
absolutely must take care of everything else.00:26:02
The state is a system that is00:26:05
probably characteristic of a dictatorship,00:26:07
especially characteristic, I would say, for00:26:09
such a daring dictatorship as the Russian one,00:26:12
which began. Well, the00:26:19
story with the flood00:26:21
in00:26:23
Krymsk will collapse. The last question00:26:26
concerns distraction00:26:28
about other events in the world, how much do00:26:31
you think in Europe, the war that00:26:34
Russia started against Ukraine has become00:26:37
something in00:26:40
the background, you know absolutely this is00:26:43
absolutely So the further from the borders of00:26:46
Russia the further from the Baltic countries00:26:49
from Finland from Poland, the more the war00:26:52
is perceived as00:26:54
some kind some background some such a given in the00:26:57
horse everyone is used to these monstrous00:27:01
news everyone is used to hearing and00:27:03
reading them and no one pays much attention to them00:27:04
and in this sense of00:27:07
the word it amazes me that Europeans in00:27:09
general like this00:27:11
Eastern European Exoticism in the00:27:13
sense that they are capable of they00:27:15
feel emotions, they empathize with the Ukrainians And00:27:18
this is also some kind of human feeling,00:27:20
they are horrified by what is happening in Russia,00:27:23
this is also all clear, but what00:27:25
amazes me is that the Europeans are French, Germans, Not to00:27:28
mention00:27:29
Spain or the UK, they00:27:33
perceive themselves as Spectators they have00:27:35
news agenda and it seems to them that these00:27:38
events are unlikely to directly affect00:27:40
their lives, this news is hardly needed in00:27:42
order to make this or that decision.00:27:44
Well, that is, it is assumed that after all,00:27:46
this is a relatively local story with00:27:48
which, in particular, the00:27:51
horrific events in the Middle East compete and00:27:53
the prospect of a big war there is also00:27:56
gradually gradually00:27:58
Europe has turned into spectators of this war00:28:01
and I am afraid that Europe may also00:28:04
suffer a very big00:28:05
disappointment along the way if Ukraine is00:28:08
unable to defend itself, we know that who is00:28:11
next in line And in this sense it00:28:15
seems the majority of00:28:17
Russians and the majority of Europeans00:28:19
who simply don’t want to think about this00:28:23
war, in the case of the00:28:27
media, it’s about a psychological00:28:30
defense system because the reality of what00:28:33
Russia is doing is so scary and00:28:36
yet difficult. Well, somehow not making a00:28:38
connection between what yours is doing the army and00:28:40
your government and your Dictator00:28:43
who calls himself the elected00:28:45
president again, it’s still difficult not to00:28:47
draw a connection between all these00:28:49
events and the consequences for the life of00:28:52
your personal family, in contrast to00:28:53
what is happening to the Europeans and it00:28:57
seems to me that they really don’t want to00:28:59
hear anything about the war because the truth about00:29:02
the war is too scary and well, Propaganda00:29:06
constantly repeats the same thing and, in00:29:07
principle, by the third year00:29:09
no one is particularly interested in this either, this is a00:29:12
way to protect yourself Well, excuse the00:29:15
banal analogy just like the same as00:29:18
the Germans said during The Second World00:29:20
War, that when their neighbors disappeared00:29:23
without a trace, their neighbors were Jews, for example, but00:29:26
they preferred not to think about anything.00:29:29
Thank you very much Kirill for getting in00:29:30
touch and answering questions goodbye.00:29:33
Thank you Margarita Simonyan believes that the00:29:36
time has come for leaders the00:29:45
hangman hissed Hello Ilya,00:29:48
hello Maxim, it’s very nice to see00:29:51
you in the frame with00:29:53
me it’s mutual Ilya Why does Margarit00:29:58
Simonyan want to00:30:00
hang the time has come, you know what’s more,00:30:04
this is a rather obsessive thought for her00:30:05
because she once said in an interview with00:30:08
Afisha magazine in00:30:10
2012 that if there is00:30:15
real democracy in Russia and people00:30:18
will be able to call anyone they want and no00:30:20
one will be assigned to them by the authorities, which means her00:30:23
Margarit Simonyan and as she told us00:30:26
this is a quote from the SS, she designated some circle of people00:30:29
around her, I’ll hang them00:30:31
first So apparently she continues00:30:34
to think about it, she’s right there on00:30:37
the air she said that she00:30:40
imagines such a typical00:30:43
lokant, something between Makarevich00:30:46
and Oleg Kashin, and she is a writer, that00:30:49
’s why she came up with Maka Kashin, that’s00:30:52
the term, and she imagines a00:30:54
person who is in a bad00:30:56
mood, who misses his homeland,00:30:59
goes to a bar, gets drunk and imagines how00:31:03
Simonyan hangs That is, how would she00:31:05
tell us about Kant’s bad mood,00:31:07
who left the war or00:31:11
because of the war, well, and she told us00:31:15
how she fights with her bad mood.00:31:17
That is, she imagines00:31:19
Makarevich who imagines00:31:21
Simonyan hanged. in general, this is a00:31:23
rather strange construction. But also in00:31:25
passing she mentioned how Simonyan00:31:29
studies history gradually. Well, she00:31:32
found out a couple of years ago00:31:34
that the book I’m Eddie is there on the fourth by00:31:38
Eduard Limonov there on the fourth or00:31:41
fifth page a fragment here it is - finally00:31:43
finished reading and found out that he is naked Eduard00:31:46
Limonov, his prototype Yes, sits on the balcony00:31:49
and eats cabbage soup and she found out she was so00:31:52
happy because00:31:53
the only association she had with it was00:31:55
that it was like a naked man and the00:31:57
TV series Friends which is never in the00:31:59
frame did not appear Well, this is her00:32:03
wealth of internal cultural, that00:32:05
is, literary historical baggage,00:32:07
but it is expanding. So she found out about00:32:10
such a person to whom monuments00:32:12
now stand in the Kaliningrad region00:32:14
such Ant Vilensky, he is also the00:32:17
hanger of Ants and the cheat person was proud that,00:32:20
unlike his00:32:22
relative, who means he was hanged00:32:26
as a result of the Decembrist Uprising, it would have been00:32:30
failures; however, there were no successful Decembrists,00:32:33
but it was a typical Decembrist;00:32:34
he was hanged; it’s actually his00:32:37
relative who was the00:32:39
governor-general in the western00:32:42
provinces of Russia, he said at one time.00:32:45
What does it mean, don’t confuse me, I’m one of those ants00:32:48
that hang themselves and not those who are hanged00:32:52
Well, in fact, she was glad for00:32:54
this, she thanked this man, apparently00:32:56
for his existence, and then this is a figure of the 10th00:33:00
century. Of course, he also had the nickname00:33:04
Vilna because he ruled the city00:33:06
which later became known as00:33:08
Vilnius, and then it was00:33:10
Vilna and actually executed very there are a lot of00:33:14
Poles and, in general, on the road from00:33:16
Kaliningrad to Poland they erected00:33:18
a monument to such a person, apparently in the00:33:20
name of strengthening relations with Poland, which is00:33:24
also yes dadada Absolutely true, so00:33:27
that later they will be00:33:28
surprised that some Poles don’t00:33:31
like us so much and don’t like Muravyov Veta Well, here we go00:33:34
in fact, Margarita Simonyan, she once00:33:37
again00:33:41
reproduced which for some reason she is00:33:43
why some people00:33:46
hate her, well, actually, she did00:33:50
n’t really think about it, but she00:33:51
actually planted food for those people who00:33:54
really perceive00:33:58
words somehow very much and start to00:33:59
get mad Ilya And how did Russian00:34:02
Propaganda react to Ala00:34:06
Pugacheva’s anniversary? You can’t say they00:34:09
congratulated her in advance because00:34:13
somewhere at the end of March there were new stories and00:34:18
this was just a00:34:20
worthy mention, as they decided on Alla’s TV channels, scare00:34:22
on the eve of the00:34:25
oil means Borisovna in the comments of the00:34:29
singer00:34:30
Manizha after00:34:33
another wave of anti-minds began in Russia Well,00:34:37
actually, in relation to migrants from00:34:39
Central Asia, the singer Manizha, who00:34:41
once represented Russia at00:34:43
Eurovision, wrote a post about the fact that there is00:34:48
no need to attack people because of their00:34:50
nationality, and if only you knew how00:34:53
do I feel when now00:34:56
someone is trying to equate all Tajiks with those00:34:59
terrorists Yes, who are actually presented as00:35:01
accused in the terrorist attack in Crocus,00:35:04
Manizhe wrote this post Well, that means00:35:07
that all people should not be judged by00:35:08
nationality Well, it would seem that a normal00:35:10
post for should be for residents of the00:35:13
state whose leadership00:35:15
announced denazification. But no, what angered Solovyov the00:35:18
most about the manizha was00:35:23
Solovyov and the TV channels that00:35:26
talked about it, why because under00:35:28
this post Alla Pugacheva wrote00:35:31
sorry That is, Forgive this in00:35:33
relation to the manizha Well, and apparently for all00:35:36
those people who are simply from -because00:35:38
they are of some nationality They immediately00:35:40
begin to consider everyone terrorists And then they00:35:43
attacked Pugacheva Why Because00:35:45
from this, as the propagandists thought, or00:35:48
how it will finally be possible, it means00:35:57
that Alla Pugacheva sympathizes with the people00:36:01
who carried out the terrorist attack, this is where it00:36:03
should have followed when00:36:05
Manizhe’s post was not about this and all that stuff00:36:07
Well, it was a big wave00:36:09
because on the NTV channel they showed a story, which means00:36:12
it’s sorry, they showed Pugacheva, it means that00:36:15
instead of00:36:16
posting photographs there, I don’t know00:36:20
these terrorists with us defrauding them00:36:23
after after their00:36:25
detention faces, that means she’s writing00:36:30
pedi. She should have written about other00:36:33
things. Well, in general, they started to figure out this whole matter.00:36:35
So this could be00:36:37
said to be the only massive00:36:40
mention of Alla00:36:42
Pugacheva on the eve of her anniversary, now00:36:45
there’s nothing, I watched it on Channel One00:36:49
if the surname Pugacheva is found00:36:51
only thanks to the film about Catherine00:36:55
the Great and00:36:58
yes And there is Pugachev, in fact,00:37:00
the figure. But only in this context in the00:37:02
announcement there as Pugachev’s uprising it00:37:05
is and00:37:06
Pugacheva’s Uprising just imagine Maxim00:37:09
disappeared from the program of Channel One Although00:37:12
before the war every day on00:37:14
Channel One There were still mentions,00:37:16
announcements of her concert were played, which was called that00:37:19
same concert, and on January 7, 2022, the00:37:24
last concert, as I understand it, Alla Pugacheva was00:37:26
shown on TV on a major channel,00:37:28
and since then00:37:31
their paths seemed to diverge. Well, what can we00:37:33
say, actually, Pugacheva is always was00:37:37
such incredible fuel00:37:42
to develop the speed of a TV channel to the00:37:45
ratings instantly. That is, I remember00:37:47
I have friends who once worked00:37:49
in a program at most on00:37:51
NTV, this means that if their ratings00:37:55
fell a little and the share00:37:56
became less than 10%, this is their usual00:37:59
share then there are from all the people who turned on the00:38:01
TV at the moment when the program was00:38:02
shown 10-12 about it was if it00:38:04
fell a little lower, they all the time00:38:06
pulled out some archives with some00:38:09
house cleaners who worked for00:38:11
Pugachev and tells how she lives and00:38:13
the rating And the share instantly rose00:38:16
there to 15 to 20% because the audience00:38:19
found it all incredibly interesting then. I00:38:22
think in general it would still be the case now, but the00:38:26
Russian TV rating doesn’t have more than this lifesaver00:38:29
because there is no Alla Pugacheva, she is in connection with00:38:32
her various kinds of statements and00:38:34
due to the fact that, as you know, probably00:38:36
her daughter Kristina Arkai cancels00:38:40
concerts and sometimes the explanations are00:38:43
the most wonderful, for example somewhere in Kemerovo00:38:47
it seems it was said that this is because00:38:50
her father is an Agent, but what kind of00:38:54
agent does she have? His name is Maxim Galkin so that,00:38:57
through such a line of kinship,00:38:59
it would be transferred to the agency. I haven’t00:39:01
heard of it yet. But Kristina arba kite. Mist and00:39:05
law enforcement officer of the Russian Federation.00:39:06
They show this. Well, actually,00:39:08
as the wife of a foreign Agent, she herself.00:39:11
Not yet, but nevertheless, I00:39:14
have a feeling that uh Judging by the fact that these00:39:17
stories do not appear by chance,00:39:19
including in this context with the00:39:21
manizha. This means that people are somehow being00:39:25
gradually prepared for the fact that uh, the00:39:27
list of enemies will be replenished with another00:39:30
name sooner or later, well, at least At00:39:32
least, such preparation of the soil is definitely00:39:35
suitable Ilya and if we also talk about those00:39:38
topics that are not mentioned Why00:39:40
Vladimir Solovyov did not want to discuss the00:39:42
flood in the Rembus in his program00:39:44
Well, like Maxim Why Because00:39:48
you can imagine I don’t know that00:39:51
uh00:39:53
Stradivari00:39:55
repaired uh00:39:58
this I can’t imagine a Tetris console00:40:00
because Stradivarius is the00:40:02
great creator of great violins. Here00:40:06
I am. I can’t imagine him00:40:11
somehow sewing up his pants. Although00:40:13
he may have done it, but Vladimir Solovyov where is00:40:16
Stradivarius And where is Vladimir Solovyov and he00:40:18
announced at his place on the air of its flagship00:40:20
program on Russia, One Evening with00:40:22
Vladimir Nightingale, this00:40:24
program 12 years ago was called00:40:26
Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovy, but since00:40:28
then this program began to air00:40:29
sometimes five times a week and it’s00:40:32
somehow awkward on Mondays and on00:40:34
Thursdays call Sunday evening That's00:40:36
because it became almost every day and that's where00:40:38
he said What Well, of course we00:40:41
know everything about the events in Orenburg e By the way,00:40:44
you know what officials call what's00:40:46
happening there how they most often00:40:48
write about it flooding No not00:40:50
flooding but an increase in unfavorable00:40:54
conditions in the region, you understand, therefore, an00:40:57
increase in unfavorable conditions Well, that00:40:59
is, the water level is rising, apparently the00:41:01
associative series should still be like this,00:41:03
but it certainly sounds beautiful, and00:41:05
Vladimir Solov said that he will not00:41:08
Now talk about the increase in00:41:11
unfavorable conditions in the houses of people00:41:14
who were flooded sometimes higher than a floor,00:41:18
but because it is not epochal enough00:41:22
For Vladimir Solovyov, this event is00:41:25
a quote Because his Vladimir00:41:27
Solovyov program is interested in things00:41:30
that radically change the world,00:41:33
here the world has not fundamentally changed00:41:35
And what he did He gave the floor to00:41:37
Margarita Simonyan, who just said00:41:38
about hang up, here they hang up, they can change the world,00:41:41
this is quite definite and Margarita00:41:44
Well, just the topic that she proposed00:41:46
for discussion instead of the flood in Orenburg,00:41:50
Zhirinovsky’s prediction Lyuba Uspenskaya is watching your00:41:53
programs Volodya in full This is what she said to00:41:55
Vladimir Solov00:41:57
Ukraine Ukraine and Ukraine These are the things00:42:00
that are epochal they change world00:42:02
Therefore, Vladimir Solovyov00:42:04
suggested concentrating on something00:42:06
larger-scale Well, after all, there is no need to00:42:11
hammer00:42:12
nails with a microscope. Well, if we still talk about00:42:17
microscopes, nails and other00:42:20
inventions of00:42:21
mankind, Vladimir Putin still00:42:25
uses cell phones. At00:42:27
least on the other hand sides That is, he00:42:28
may be calling on cell phones,00:42:30
we learned this from a message to the reindeer herder00:42:34
whom he congratulated on his wedding on his00:42:37
wedding anniversary, what kind of plot is this and00:42:39
why are they showing this to us?00:42:41
listen Well, first of all, the00:42:43
reindeer herder has become a meme, and the00:42:47
presidential administration and the people who are responsible00:42:49
for quoting there, they are sensitive to such00:42:51
manifestations And agendas and therefore if00:42:54
something starts to be quoted on social networks,00:42:57
why not make a sequel about it And00:42:59
this reindeer herder has such a00:43:01
peculiar, quite00:43:03
pronunciation Well, I won’t parody00:43:06
him, especially what if someone -he’ll think that00:43:08
I’m parodying all the Yakuts like this, no,00:43:09
this one in particular has a rather00:43:12
strange pronunciation. That’s why he00:43:16
appeared in front of Putin for about a month and a half last time, and00:43:18
somehow he00:43:21
spoke very brightly and was00:43:26
servile. From how many meters they00:43:28
let him in, he literally hit00:43:32
Vladimir Putin with his forehead and said that Well, that’s00:43:35
good. It’s true that there are no roads there, we don’t have anything00:43:37
like that, but such a funny story and00:43:40
he really quoted it then on00:43:41
social networks. And now it’s happened like this.00:43:44
I don’t know, they doubled the meme event00:43:47
because00:43:49
Lukashenko and administration officials came to Putin00:43:51
the president was told Well, that’s it, Vladimir00:43:53
Vladimirovich, now you will recruit a00:43:54
reindeer herder and they took the reindeer herder and00:43:59
Lukashenko, who knew nothing about this reindeer herder,00:44:00
so he gave him parting words for a minute and a half that00:44:03
this is such00:44:06
happiness for you that00:44:08
Vladimir Putin paid attention to you because not00:44:09
every person in Russia it is possible to00:44:11
communicate with him, he hints that not00:44:13
every person in Russia is able to00:44:15
communicate, he00:44:16
communicates with Vladimir Putin almost every day,00:44:17
Lukashenko himself lazily congratulated him, yes, that is, it00:44:20
was a strange situation in twins00:44:23
Well, it was completely by chance when Vladimir00:44:25
Putin wanted to know the reindeer herder in the presence of00:44:26
Lukashenko when he was00:44:28
recruited from the reindeer herder and visiting was the00:44:32
film crew of Russia 1, which00:44:34
filmed it all, and the governor of Yakutia. That’s it,00:44:36
I’ll still00:44:38
pay attention to the fact that he’s from Yamal and this is the00:44:40
governor of Yamal Nenetskogo I00:44:43
apologize, I apologize to you and00:44:46
all00:44:47
the reindeer herders, yes Well, nevertheless, it turned out00:44:51
that this is not a simple00:44:52
seine. Tell me please. Well,00:44:56
in general, he has a rather important business00:44:59
that is connected there with the00:45:00
local United Russia deputy and through whom they00:45:02
supply listen. Not yet I didn’t watch,00:45:05
apparently, some recent00:45:06
FBK investigation. I’m just on00:45:08
TV, what they tell me is what I’m00:45:10
watching, it’s convenient, it’s00:45:13
probably a wonderful world you have. Well, since you’re watching00:45:15
TV, have you seen Mamontov’s film00:45:18
about foreign agents, partially00:45:21
watched it, interesting work and I00:45:24
looked That is, I didn’t look at everything00:45:26
because for an hour and a half Arkady Mamontov00:45:28
really likes large formats, no one is00:45:30
stopping him, it seems he has00:45:32
no editors and that’s why all he has is that it00:45:34
falls out on the editing table and00:45:37
then they create such beautiful decay for us.00:45:40
Well, I I think that this is extremely00:45:43
interesting to people like you and me, and you’re00:45:47
not yet an Ino Agent, it seems like it’s still Yes, you are,00:45:50
well, you’re interested because you’re00:45:52
potentially And I’m active. So00:45:55
Arkady, for us, you know, made a film00:45:57
for us and almost about us. and he’s00:46:01
wonderful because Arkady Mamontov is there,00:46:03
well he is. Of course there are quotes from00:46:06
Dostoevsky, these are Demons, all this, all that.00:46:09
Yes, and he says that these bastards, these ins and outs of00:46:14
nits, these foreign agents,00:46:17
no one needs them And then they show00:46:19
ratings that I don’t know how He I00:46:20
counted that Well, they have a lot of millions of00:46:23
people. That's how it fits. I00:46:26
still think, I started watching, I00:46:29
flipped through an interesting fragment there, it was with a00:46:31
poem by such a FM activist Daria00:46:33
Serenko, she read a poem on the00:46:37
death of Putin and there seems to be such a00:46:40
key phrase so that you died and all that00:46:42
stuff, and Arkady Mamontov, he showed00:46:46
1 poem on air in Russia. Well, that is,00:46:49
how she reads it somewhere, they00:46:55
remember her by-law, that is, the viewer00:46:58
must guess for himself, but at the same time,00:47:00
Arkady Mamontov He understands about his viewer,00:47:02
he values him highly the level00:47:05
is intellectual, educational and00:47:07
emotional and he understands that the00:47:09
audience will guess without words because there is00:47:12
no need for these spoilers and even in00:47:13
the frame she is reading or there is a00:47:16
printout of this poem I don’t know and there at the00:47:18
top is the title of Putin’s death and there00:47:20
he was00:47:21
trifled so that it would not be visible00:47:24
titles Why say this code00:47:27
BC will understand it themselves, well, I watched it Yes,00:47:31
I watched it and moved on to Arkady00:47:34
Mamontov’s classic film drunkenness and the film alcohol00:47:37
that’s where he shakes bottles of vodka and that’s00:47:40
where I understand his logic to a greater extent00:47:42
because at one time in 201700:47:44
year, the employees of VGTRK00:47:45
told me that Arkady Mamontov was on a drinking binge,00:47:47
he was going to make one film and00:47:49
he specially invited the priest to the00:47:51
editing room so that he would00:47:53
illuminate it and sprinkle it with holy water and it would help.00:47:56
What and who will say who will say later that00:47:58
it doesn’t work, it works Thank you all00:48:00
Ilya for getting in touch answered00:48:02
questions goodbye goodbye on00:48:05
Alexei Navalny’s channel Maria Pevchikh00:48:07
launched a series about the nineties00:48:09
called traitors the first episode has been released00:48:11
and we will discuss it with the head of the00:48:13
investigation department of VBC Maria Pevchikh00:48:15
hello Maria hello Maxim00:48:17
you just have some seasons of the team00:48:19
Navalny on the channel One by one00:48:23
we try, we try00:48:24
Tell me why00:48:27
uh or who or what they00:48:29
betrayed they betrayed us no matter how00:48:34
pretentious it may sound they betrayed the interests let’s00:48:37
say we as a country were betrayed our future was00:48:39
exchanged for very everyday00:48:43
and banal things like personal00:48:46
well-being like a guarantee of safety00:48:49
like any other e Guarantees are there00:48:53
This is about that compromise and00:48:57
These people so far we have only watched the00:48:59
first episode there will be many, many,00:49:00
many more But nevertheless, the general message00:49:03
is that once in00:49:05
our relatively recent history there was such a00:49:08
fork in the road where you could have followed00:49:09
one path and we would have ended up with a completely00:49:11
different00:49:12
Russia for you. Yes, these traitors00:49:15
are specific names or rather some kind of00:49:17
political class, of course these are00:49:20
specific names and I really want00:49:23
these names to be named and spoken out00:49:25
loud because I want00:49:27
some kind of responsibility to appear for what has been00:49:30
done and not for the discussion to remain within the00:49:32
framework of the fact that And we tried for the sake of the cause,00:49:34
so we slightly rigged the00:49:36
elections in ninety-six, and then and00:49:38
then Zyuganov came and ate us all.00:49:40
I want names I want a broad discussion00:49:43
of this topic I don’t00:49:46
want to spread responsibility there00:49:49
over just some people who were00:49:51
active in Denom, these crimes do not exist.00:49:53
There are specific names and surnames. Well,00:49:56
if we talk about the elections of00:49:57
1996, this is generally almost the most00:49:59
important question,00:50:02
you probably met different points of view.00:50:05
What conclusions did you come to when they were preparing this00:50:07
film? The elections of '96 are a00:50:08
turning point. Perhaps it would be00:50:12
more logical to hold this discussion a little00:50:14
later after the second episode of00:50:16
our series is released;00:50:19
series Yes, yes there will be there will be about00:50:22
two big topics about loans-for-shares auctions00:50:24
and about elections, in principle there is nothing00:50:26
else in this series in particular. And00:50:29
of course, regarding the elections, my general conclusion00:50:32
is that the00:50:34
threat which was covered up by the so-00:50:38
called democrats, reformers,00:50:40
liberals of the government collectively in00:50:44
Yeltsin's headquarters, both Yeltsin's headquarters in00:50:48
December, this threat was not as00:50:50
real and as it was00:50:52
depicted. This is a00:50:54
catastrophe with everyone intimidated00:50:58
in the form of the fact that Zyuganov will return00:51:00
and the USSR will be restored, in fact it00:51:02
was impossible and trying to avoid this00:51:06
catastrophe, trying to00:51:08
retain oneself power at any cost And00:51:11
this is the most Key thing here, at any cost,00:51:14
and00:51:16
elections were made that ultimately00:51:18
led to a worse result than if00:51:22
the elections of ninety-six had simply00:51:24
been left alone, even now I’ll say a00:51:26
shocking thing, even if00:51:28
Zyuganov had won them, look at some00:51:32
experts They say that we have00:51:34
such an example, this is Belarus, where they let a00:51:36
candidate win who was00:51:38
homesick for the Soviet Union, this00:51:40
example convinces you that maybe for00:51:43
Yeltsin, after all, it was necessary to00:51:44
fight like this. Well, there is also an example of Ukraine there00:51:47
according to the Third Yes, that’s all it turned out that not00:51:49
one of these And about the post-Soviet old00:51:54
leaders could not cling and the power00:51:55
turned out to be00:51:58
replaceable, too, we all understand, but still00:52:04
replaceable then the subjunctive moods00:52:06
does Zyuganov have the potential of Lukashenko00:52:09
in my evaluative opinion It seems to me00:52:13
more likely no than yes, but this is such00:52:15
hypothetical discussion because it00:52:19
was perhaps difficult to understand about Putin at that time because00:52:22
he said the right00:52:25
things correctly And probably the00:52:27
main red flag was his service00:52:29
in the00:52:30
KGB and something could be assumed there,00:52:33
but he seemed to pronounce all the right00:52:35
words God knows how if it would have turned out,00:52:37
we know how it turned out, in00:52:38
fact, we know that under good00:52:40
intentions under the banner of democracy,00:52:43
such a pig in the form of Putin was handed to us00:52:45
for a quarter of a century, and it is very important to just00:52:47
discuss this, reflect on it and make sure that00:52:49
it never happens. I think you are00:52:52
for sure you know that for the journalistic00:52:54
profession, Go is also a turning point.00:52:56
Because then, in general, we won’t let the00:52:59
communists win, different00:53:01
journalists united under the flags, as many say, they betrayed the00:53:03
profession at that moment, and because it00:53:05
was necessary to defend the correct point00:53:07
of view, you come to the same conclusion.00:53:10
Yes, I come to this the same00:53:12
conclusion00:53:13
and One of the main stars of the next episode of00:53:17
our series will, of course, be the newspaper,00:53:19
God forbid, which we have studied and we00:53:21
even have the original of one of the issues and00:53:24
Yes, of course this needs to be discussed, I can’t00:53:26
with that this is a huge00:53:28
focus of my story it is mentioned but00:53:30
I don’t talk about this for as long00:53:32
as I talk about people who stole something or00:53:35
committed some kind of crime or00:53:37
something else. But of course, for all of us,00:53:39
especially these journalists. Many of them are00:53:41
still alive and active in someone’s life. YouTube is00:53:43
big there, they are all of this, they are all still00:53:45
around and you can still discuss all this with them00:53:48
and they really say00:53:50
that we did it out of good intentions. I’m00:53:53
even ready to believe them. Well, let’s00:53:55
just at least admit that it was a00:53:57
mistake00:53:58
Maria But this is such a concentration on the00:54:01
nineties that we, in general, have called for00:54:03
now and discuss to understand what happened there.00:54:05
Why in your opinion is this so important? There is00:54:07
some important00:54:08
key. It seems to me yes. It seems to me yes, and00:54:11
I was00:54:13
very inspired by Alexei Navalny’s post00:54:17
called Fear and hatred,00:54:18
which came out in August and, in00:54:20
fact, after which the idea of this00:54:22
series appeared Alexey wrote this00:54:25
post, they scolded him terribly, remember there were even00:54:28
discussions that it wasn’t him writing at all, he00:54:30
had to write a second post and say00:54:32
No, are you crazy or is it all me and00:54:36
these are my thoughts, I understood00:54:40
that Alexei Navalny’s vision is from the point00:54:43
of view of what he considers important and what00:54:44
he calls the most important political00:54:46
issues for the democratic development00:54:48
of Russia, but this is the history of the 90s he calls00:54:51
exactly00:54:52
that, that this topic needs to be told00:54:57
as if we are starting from scratch00:55:00
we are reconsidering everything and00:55:06
revaluing the history of the nineties, so it00:55:09
seems to me that I agree with Alexey here. I00:55:11
think this is a very important topic in which00:55:14
in fact there are a lot of important00:55:17
questions about the future and not just about00:55:19
the past, and I am glad that this discussion00:55:22
has started. I am glad that all participants in the00:55:24
events Now Ruga is vying with me00:55:26
and they say that everything is wrong, that I don’t00:55:28
understand the nuances, that Medvedev’s duck house00:55:31
is not the same as00:55:33
Yeltsin’s duck house, that the context was00:55:36
somehow different, I have to take into account00:55:37
some circumstances, but for me, as a00:55:39
detached for the viewer there is no difference00:55:41
corruption crime - This is a00:55:43
corruption crime and perhaps00:55:45
somewhere in this field lies the essence of this00:55:47
whole discussion00:55:49
that there were no special00:55:52
circumstances and no exceptions00:55:54
had to be made, you just always live00:55:56
according to your conscience and always live honestly A And this is00:55:59
the conclusion, and even more so considering00:56:01
what happened to Alexey, considering that00:56:03
he was killed a few days before the release of00:56:05
this series, it was planned in February. It00:56:07
seems to me that it is all the more important to raise this topic00:56:10
out of respect for00:56:14
Navalny’s political opinion because of just in general because of00:56:17
what happened, we took upon ourselves to00:56:19
continue his work and I00:56:20
hope we continue it exactly in the00:56:22
way he wanted. Well, such00:56:24
historical ones, maybe even00:56:26
educational projects somewhere, this is something00:56:27
new from FBK, that’s how you imagine00:56:31
imagine the main areas of00:56:33
activity just fbk how much00:56:35
such historical films are - this is now00:56:38
something where you will invest your00:56:40
strength And we Maxim try to be different00:56:43
and try not to mark time by hitting the00:56:46
same point and repeating the00:56:48
same movement Even if we take the00:56:52
activities of Navalny’s team for this00:56:55
week Today is Wednesday Yes, 3 days have passed, it00:56:59
hasn’t passed yet This week we had an00:57:02
investigation about the flood in Orsk, a00:57:04
classic investigation in the old00:57:07
style about an apartment in Dubai for the family of the00:57:11
mayor of Orsk this same week we00:57:13
had an important international meeting00:57:15
related to the activities of our00:57:17
international sanctions and so on with the00:57:19
British Foreign Secretary,00:57:21
Cameron, this week we released a00:57:25
big pro-deno. We started it and there, this00:57:28
same week, now Yulia gave a big00:57:31
program interview to Time magazine, she is00:57:33
on the cover of the magazine Tay, she is included in the00:57:35
list of the 100 most influential people in the00:57:37
world and this is also an important part of our00:57:40
work and what Yulia does, so it00:57:42
is important to consider our activities00:57:44
in such a complex, we don’t00:57:46
know what exactly is more important, we don’t know what00:57:48
exactly will work, perhaps what I did00:57:51
on Monday discussing sanctions and00:57:53
explaining how they should work for00:57:55
them to be effective one day it will shoot00:57:59
and turn out to be a super important topic that00:58:01
will decide something somewhere, perhaps00:58:04
the discussion about the nineties00:58:07
will unfold on a large scale and after the00:58:09
Second and after the third series we00:58:11
finally we will get to something, these00:58:13
round tables will be these discussions, we will00:58:15
exchange opinions, it will be cool, and00:58:17
maybe something will happen in Orsk, this00:58:19
worldly United Russia member will probably be00:58:23
fired and he will be held accountable for the fact00:58:26
that he ruined the homes and lives in fact Well,00:58:30
the life of 190,00000:58:33
Orchanka But we do it Correctly, we00:58:37
do a lot of different things, we spend00:58:39
a lot of resources, a lot of effort, we have a00:58:41
large team that works in00:58:43
different directions and somewhere, somewhere there00:58:46
may be a combination of all this and the00:58:48
last question or the last topic.00:58:50
More likely, this is a murder investigation00:58:52
Alexey Navalny, how successful00:58:54
or unsuccessful is it to work in this00:58:57
direction? Should we expect00:58:59
some kind of00:59:00
investigation from you on this topic? I00:59:04
must apologize to the viewers of the bid channel00:59:06
because for obvious reasons I00:59:08
cannot tell anything on this topic00:59:11
in detail in detail00:59:13
naturally no, but in general, how well is00:59:15
this direction working out now00:59:17
or is it not possible to carry out this very00:59:20
complex direction? It’s more difficult than00:59:22
last time this is what I can say00:59:25
absolutely exactly than what events than00:59:27
poisonings in Tomsk by a newcomer We spend00:59:30
a lot of effort on this and the only thing00:59:32
what I can say for sure and00:59:34
promise Yes, without giving any empty00:59:37
promises and without uttering any loud00:59:39
words, this is that even if it takes us00:59:42
the rest of our lives to investigate this for 5 10 years00:59:46
20 years and so on, we00:59:48
will still investigate it and still until00:59:51
answers to the questions are received until00:59:53
we find out who did it, we will not00:59:56
calm down. And if not us, then someone after00:59:59
us, and if not someone after us, then01:00:01
someone else next. This is a01:00:03
fundamental question and we will investigate it01:00:06
exactly as long as it takes01:00:09
Exactly until everything becomes01:00:11
clear. This will definitely not change how much01:00:13
other political prisoners who are associated01:00:16
with Navalny’s headquarters with the anti-01:00:18
corruption foundation today, one way or another, in your01:00:21
opinion, is a matter of concern for the West,01:00:25
how much01:00:26
they can be the people for whom01:00:28
the West will stand up and will01:00:30
try to get them out of there I hope01:00:32
that they will intercede I hope I think01:00:34
that this terrible01:00:37
lesson with the experience with the attempt to exchange01:00:41
Navalny with the experience of the USA and Germany on01:00:44
this topic, I think that01:00:46
many have learned this terrible lesson I have some01:00:48
optimistic hopes I don’t know anything I know01:00:51
about the01:00:56
murder of Navalny, but because I01:00:59
read from the news from the News, I hope01:01:01
that Western politicians01:01:04
will somehow take a tougher position and still01:01:08
try to put pressure on Putin so that at01:01:10
least someone will be released, I don’t know on01:01:12
what conditions is the exchange just released?01:01:14
Anything can certainly happen with Putin.01:01:17
Putin can be offered something so that he01:01:20
makes this compromise. It is very01:01:23
important to prevent the same01:01:25
tragedy from happening to anyone else who is not with the01:01:28
muse, who is also in the01:01:30
gigantic risk zone. already twice they01:01:32
also tried to kill him, they tried to kill him as a01:01:35
newcomer, like Alexei, not with Ilya Yashina,01:01:38
not with Navalny’s lawyers. Yes, who,01:01:40
I remind you, have also been sitting there for more than01:01:44
more than six months, not with employees of01:01:46
our headquarters, not with any other01:01:48
political prisoners who are01:01:49
not connected there with us but nevertheless01:01:51
are behind bars for their political01:01:53
views,01:01:56
this is a complex topic, this is a huge problem01:01:59
that Putin is grabbing and grabbing new01:02:03
hostages. I hope that the efforts of01:02:06
international diplomacy will be enough to01:02:08
free some of them. Thank you01:02:10
very much Maria for taking the time to answer the01:02:12
questions before01:02:15
dates in Grozny are planning to name a01:02:18
new district of the city Putin's to name the lyi01:02:21
district in honor of a living person is quite01:02:24
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Сергей Ауслендер, израильский журналист, автор телеграм-канала «Война с Ордой» — о возможном ответе Израиля на атаку со стороны Ирана и ситуации в Газе Кирилл Мартынов, главный редактор «Новой газеты Европа» — о законе об «иностранных агентах» в Грузии Илья Шепелин, ведущий программы «Зомбоящик» в YouTube — о том, что российская пропаганда говорит о наводнении в Оренбургской области и юбилее Аллы Пугачевой Мария Певчих, глава отдела расследований ФБК — о документальном сериале «Предатели», который сняла Команда Навального 0:00 Обзор от BILD 0:52 Сергей Ауслендер об ответе Израиля Ирану 1:00 «На Ближнем Востоке нужно ответить» 1:12 «Иран поломал свою парадигму» 1:48 «Формулу Ирана нужно поломать» 2:02 Как Израиль справился с иранским ударом? 3:30 «Израиль сбил две трети целей» 4:49 Почему США так же не помогают Украине отражать воздушные атаки? 6:16 Что происходит в секторе Газа? 8:25 Нетаньяху заинтересован в войне? 9:08 «В Рафиах надо было заходить в январе» 9:40 «Если провести выборы сейчас, то Нетаньяху проиграет» 11:27 Есть ли надежда вернуть заложников живыми? 13:15 Как 7 октября стало возможно? 15:41 Кирилл Мартынов про закон об «иноагентах» в Грузии 16:07 «Будет ли Грузия сателлитом России?» 17:03 «Грузия не хочет быть Россией» 17:57 Закон об «иноагентах» укрепил путинский режим? 20:08 «Закон об "иноагентах" это хороший метод террора» 20:35 О наводнении в Оренбургской области и о том, как люди сами справляются с ним 23:58 У государства получится продать людям идею, что оно их защищает? 26:23 В Европе война стала фоном? 27:57 «Европа превратилась в зрителя украинской войны» 28:58 «Россияне не хотят ничего слышать о войне» 29:34 Илья Шепелин 29:57 Почему Симоньян хочет вешать? 34:00 Как пропаганда отреагировала на юбилей Пугачёвой? 37:33 «Пугачёва всегда была топливом для рейтингов телеканалов» 39:35 Почему Соловьёв отказался обсуждать наводнение в Оренбургской области? 40:40 «Чиновники называют наводнение повышением неблагоприятных условий» 42:14 Зачем нам показали сюжет о звонке Путина оленеводу? 44:48 Кем оказался этот оленевод? 45:18 О фильме Мамонтова про иноагентов 48:04 Мария Певчих 48:25 О сериале «Предатели», вышедшем на канале Навального 49:57 Выборы-1996 – это поворотная точка? 52:35 «Под знамёнами демократии нам подсунули свинью в виде Путина» 52:52 Многие журналисты предали профессию в 1996 году? 53:58 В 90-х важный ключ в понимании происходящего? 56:23 ФБК после Навального 57:41 «Мы не знаем, что точно сработает» 58:48 О расследовании убийства Навального 59:19 «Расследование убийства Навального сложнее, чем отравление в Томске» 59:31 «Мы будем расследовать убийство Навального даже если это займёт остаток жизни» 1:00:13 Будет ли Запад заступаться за других политзаключённых, чтобы обменять их? 1:01:17 «Путину можно предложить нечто, чтобы он пошёл на компромисс» 1:01:20 «Важно не допустить, чтобы такая же трагедия не произошла с Кара-Мурзой или Яшиным» 1:02:15 Реплика Максима Курникова Подписывайтесь на наш Telegram: https://t.me/BILD_Russian
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