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Hello everyone I'm Elena service this is high00:00:38
foreheads as usual on Saturdays Like00:00:41
this broadcast Share the broadcast00:00:43
with friends Especially with friends from00:00:46
Nizhny Novgorod with us Roman bigon00:00:48
ex-director of the department of culture of00:00:50
Nizhny Novgorod And today Roman is a new00:00:53
repatriate in Israel and columnist00:00:55
Roman Good afternoon Thank you for00:00:57
agreeing to spend this hour with us00:00:59
Good afternoon00:01:02
Elena Well, before we start, I will allow00:01:05
myself a small appeal about what00:01:07
I read and comments after the last00:01:10
broadcast When we had an official00:01:12
representative of the IDF and a representative of00:01:14
Israeli military intelligence, so here is a00:01:16
small appeal, dears ladies and00:01:18
gentlemen anti-Semites and also the watchman Let00:01:22
yourself watch this broadcast and don’t bother00:01:25
yourself with writing comments because00:01:27
I have a feeling that you00:01:28
are commenting on Israel and Palestine, Russia00:01:30
and Ukraine as if you were commenting on00:01:33
football matches and in both cases we are00:01:35
not talking about territories and borders and we are00:01:37
only talking about the hatred that filled00:01:40
this world, the hatred is especially noticeable00:01:43
after00:01:45
October 7. You didn’t react00:01:48
to the Uyghurs before that, you didn’t react to the Syrians, you didn’t00:01:49
react to the ships, but after hearing the word00:01:51
Israel, the Jews suddenly mobilized and00:01:54
united in their hatred, the topic of the00:01:56
broadcast is shameful questions about Israel or00:01:58
everything you wanted to know but were afraid00:02:00
we’ll try to comprehend not entirely Or00:02:03
situations that are not completely clear Roman is written on your00:02:07
Instagram openly I say00:02:09
what I think but for this you had to00:02:12
first leave00:02:15
Russia Do00:02:17
you think somehow it turned out that as soon as00:02:21
Human is right but beveled into one side, why is00:02:25
such a wave only for00:02:28
one population or rather is it against00:02:31
some other specific one and I00:02:34
apologize, can I repeat it again00:02:36
because the connection was lost once00:02:39
again Yes, I’m saying that00:02:45
after the Yars began to act as such00:02:48
defenders of rights in one direction to the00:02:50
other gas, that is, they protect the00:02:52
civilian population of gas, or maybe they are00:02:55
more likely to oppose some00:02:57
specific civilian population. I00:02:59
mean in Israel, why suddenly, as00:03:02
soon as we talk about Israel, the whole world00:03:05
comes out like this,00:03:07
or rather with slogans of00:03:12
hatred,00:03:14
but I understand, well, look firstly, the00:03:17
Jewish people and, as a result, Israel00:03:19
in general is such a bright spot. And we00:03:21
attract a lot of attention to ourselves. I think00:03:23
this is simply due to some00:03:24
historical features and00:03:27
a lot of news is written about us,00:03:28
although the country itself is small and has00:03:31
conflicts. in the world, besides Israel, there are a00:03:33
huge number of As you noticed, there are00:03:35
Uyghurs and other nationalities and Kurds. There are00:03:38
a lot of questions, but for some reason Israel00:03:40
attracts special attention.00:03:44
Why is everyone so actively defending the00:03:45
Palestinians and00:03:47
Gaza? It seems to me that this story here is00:03:50
connected with what information people00:03:52
read and what information people receive00:03:54
Because if you ask in general That's00:03:56
why you protect people most likely00:03:58
answer from those with whom I communicate We00:04:00
want to protect the innocent We want to00:04:03
speak out against the oppressors We want to00:04:05
support those who are offended Seemingly00:04:09
normal needs of a healthy00:04:11
person the problem is that the information00:04:12
they receive is presented in such a00:04:15
way that the pluses change Who is the00:04:18
victim, who is the aggressor, who is to blame for the fact00:04:21
that the Palestinians live poorly or that00:04:25
we bomb them in response, usually focuses00:04:27
on the fact that look, Israel is bombing, which00:04:29
means the Gaza Strip is poor and it seems to be00:04:32
forgotten that before that there were00:04:33
terrorist attacks, before that it was October 7th, and before00:04:36
that there were still a huge number of terrorist attacks00:04:38
since the formation of the modern00:04:43
state. Can you hear me now? I00:04:46
just see that they wrote in the chat that it’s00:04:48
bad that00:04:49
they can hear me, I can hear me intermittently but you can hear yes00:04:52
Okay, great, it’s very strange why we have00:04:54
such a connection. But then for this we need00:04:57
this broadcast itself, and we need to00:04:58
understand00:05:00
all these narratives00:05:03
that are heard. If someone00:05:06
really deliberately00:05:10
or misses the events of October 7, what00:05:13
Why the narratives? these are the same for everyone,00:05:16
that is, the Jews came and00:05:21
occupied the territory 7500:05:26
others00:05:28
Comte00:05:30
in chic and splendor others live in poverty00:05:32
Well, in general, let’s figure it out, maybe00:05:34
from the very beginning Let’s, if you00:05:38
allow me, I’ll give you an example right away about00:05:39
October 7th there was a video, again I don’t I know00:05:42
how in other countries in Israel he was00:05:44
actively reposted by Vladimir Raevsky,00:05:48
there is a historian guide who00:05:50
talks a lot about Israel and he was in00:05:51
England and he came to a rally for00:05:54
Palestine where people spoke for Palestine00:05:56
and he had a short video on00:05:57
Instagram. approaches people gori00:05:59
says How do you evaluate October 7th, what do00:06:01
you think about it October 7th of twenty-00:06:03
three, most people said00:06:05
yes October 7th is of course terrible, but00:06:08
then there is some kind of story Why Israel is00:06:10
wrong but the cherry on the cake there was00:06:12
such a very woman active curly00:06:15
pretty who shouted free00:06:17
Palestine Freedom for Palestine her Vladimir00:06:19
asks what you think about October 7th00:06:21
she tells him You know, I don’t00:06:23
have time to read all the news, you tell me00:06:25
what happened there I may just00:06:27
have missed something, this is a clear example Yes, this is00:06:30
indicative video By the way, I00:06:33
heard this from the British, of course the British00:06:34
blamed their British government00:06:36
when they remembered the British Mandate. Well, here’s00:06:39
what was in place of Israel00:06:42
before Israel. This is the most shameful00:06:44
question that people ask themselves today.00:06:47
Okay, here the first thing that needs to be clarified is00:06:50
what kind of Israel are we talking about? we’re talking about the one that’s00:06:52
modern, the one that appeared in ’48,00:06:54
or the one that was 3,000 years ago,00:06:56
or we want to kind of look at this and00:06:58
this and that. Well, let’s see who00:07:01
lived until 1948 and then00:07:03
we’ll go back a little00:07:05
further to the beginning years here, whoever00:07:09
lived here, Arabs lived here, Jews lived here,00:07:12
Bedouins lived here,00:07:14
Druze lived here, Samaritans lived here. Many00:07:18
peoples lived here. Yes, it is true that at00:07:21
some point there were more Arabs here, there00:07:23
were a little fewer, then there was a process when00:07:26
the Jews bought up the00:07:28
fallen lands and moved I can00:07:31
perfectly understand that the local Arab00:07:34
population didn’t like it, it’s understandable,00:07:36
but everything was legal; they bought the land,00:07:38
they came and the Jews began to appear here,00:07:41
and this is also one of the popular narratives00:07:44
that I see in the comments that the Arabs00:07:47
of Palestine invited the Jews to their place, and the00:07:50
Jews, therefore, occupied the land and in00:07:52
general, they bit the hand, which means it00:07:54
helped them, and that’s what bad Jews are. At the same00:07:56
time, when you ask what you know00:07:58
about the white book, people say We don’t know00:08:01
what it is. The white book is a document,00:08:03
you can also easily find it on the Internet,00:08:05
read about it. a document that,00:08:07
at the request of the Arab population, was issued00:08:10
accordingly by the00:08:11
British government, which limited the00:08:12
number of Jews who could go00:08:14
to Palestine; this was in00:08:16
1939, just a few months before the00:08:17
start of the war, that is, Jews who could00:08:20
leave and not end up in concentration camps and00:08:22
escape from the Holocaust, they were not could go into00:08:24
Palestine Because they00:08:26
were forbidden,00:08:28
so here you need to understand that this00:08:30
territory is generally conquered many times,00:08:32
I talked about it there and in the video00:08:34
I talked about it, there were here and the Arabs were here, the00:08:37
Crusaders Byzantium Babylon,00:08:39
the Mamluks, the Ottomans, whoever was00:08:42
here were different peoples, and the second00:08:45
important point about which people also constantly00:08:46
argue Since we are00:08:48
talking about narratives, there00:08:50
was no such state as Palestine. This is not00:08:53
because we mean such evil Jews00:08:55
want to somehow, you know, pin up the00:08:58
Arab population, it’s just a fact00:08:59
there was no such state Yes and And00:09:02
if we are now moving a little00:09:04
further into antiquity then we probably need to00:09:05
explain Where this term came from00:09:07
Since we are talking about shameful questions,00:09:10
and if briefly 3,000 years ago the00:09:13
state of Israel appeared before it, here00:09:14
we have two points forty-eighth year -00:09:16
this is the so-called new Israel Yes,00:09:17
which is a modern state 3,00000:09:19
years ago there was a Jewish kingdom, before the00:09:22
Jewish kingdom,00:09:24
the Philistines lived here on this territory, they are00:09:26
just such good people,00:09:28
unfortunately they are now They are no longer in the world,00:09:30
but they lived then, historians agree00:09:32
on the fact that these guys were from Cyprus from00:09:34
Crete I apologize, most likely they00:09:36
belonged to the ancient Greeks But what is important00:09:38
They had nothing to do with the Arabs00:09:40
Well, they were just two different peoples, then the00:09:43
kingdom of Israel appeared and then they00:09:45
began to slowly conquer this land, then the00:09:48
Assyrians came then00:09:50
they came from Babylon at some point the00:09:52
Roman Empire came,00:09:54
everyone knows the Roman Empire well from school, and00:09:56
against the Roman Empire in the next00:09:57
Uprising when the Jews rebelled very strongly00:09:59
there was a Barkha uprising in 135,00:10:03
if my memory serves me right, the00:10:05
Romans were very upset, speaking to00:10:08
modern language in general, they lost00:10:10
authority Like normal guys and they00:10:13
wanted to somehow00:10:15
rein in the Jews and erase their00:10:17
mentions from history, which is actually why00:10:19
this land was named Palestine in honor of the00:10:21
Philistines who once lived here for the00:10:23
Arabs, this had nothing to do with00:10:25
regret or00:10:28
fortunately, that is, if a person00:10:31
obtains this information himself, in theory, he00:10:35
should have all the accents, I don’t know,00:10:37
in place, but nevertheless, and00:10:40
nevertheless, Israel is still seen as an00:10:43
aggressor, as the cause of all the troubles of the people00:10:46
who lived there until that moment A00:10:49
let's now go back to the moment00:10:52
when the Jews bought Lands and00:10:56
they bought them from some local Arabs and where did00:10:59
they go with all the lands then Oh this is a00:11:02
good question, when the Jews bought these00:11:05
lands they accordingly invited00:11:07
Jews to work on them and the Arabs00:11:10
left these lands again, if you00:11:12
ask me, is it possible to understand the00:11:14
local Arabs at this moment? Yes, they bought the00:11:16
land, they worked on it, now the00:11:18
Jews work on it, but again this is a00:11:20
natural process, it happens that they bought00:11:22
the land and the owner of this land does on it00:11:24
what he deems necessary00:11:26
Jews began to appear here, communities began to grow,00:11:29
it must be said that Jews came, both00:11:34
from the Russian Empire and from Europe, they00:11:36
came with good knowledge and00:11:38
accordingly began to cultivate this00:11:40
land. Well, for good reason. We now have00:11:43
palm trees growing where there are deserts, and now it’s00:11:46
always a very difficult question about00:11:48
Jerusalem, for example, Personally, I00:11:51
had a very close friend from Maro,00:11:54
maybe even once told a story and they00:11:57
stopped communicating with her when I said it00:12:00
very carelessly. I’ll now try00:12:02
to get a second microphone because they00:12:04
tell me that I’m not very good with the microphone there00:12:07
something when I said that we were in00:12:09
Israel in Jerusalem She said no00:12:11
stop stop stop Jerusalem is not in00:12:13
Israel from that very day we00:12:15
never communicated again Jerusalem - This is00:12:20
where Depending on what point of view you00:12:22
look at, let’s also go00:12:26
deep into history about such people,00:12:29
initially Jerusalem is the capital of the00:12:33
kingdom of Israel, that is, this city was00:12:35
built by the Jews. The first temple was here,00:12:37
then they destroyed it, then the second one doesn’t matter.00:12:39
In short, Initially, this city was created by the00:12:40
Jews, then, as I already said,00:12:44
various conquerors were here, including the00:12:46
Arabs, who also appeared here and00:12:48
Arab shrines ty aaks if my00:12:50
memory serves me correctly 700 700 some year00:12:52
it will appear 700 some year it00:12:55
appeared here including00:12:57
Muslim shrines here So then the00:13:00
Ottoman Empire comes here and00:13:02
we will probably rule on this territory for a long time00:13:03
right away so00:13:20
you will transfer the Nations Its task was, in00:13:24
the manda, written to create a home for the00:13:26
Jewish people, but we can00:13:28
interpret this, including how the Arab00:13:30
population interprets it and some of those who00:13:33
support that Israel should00:13:35
be here, that two states should be created,00:13:37
Jewish and Arab, and so00:13:40
Jerusalem should also be based on the results of the00:13:43
UN decision in 1948 under the00:13:46
jurisdiction of the UN. That is, it should have00:13:48
been an independent territory since00:13:50
it is very Controversial and it is unclear to whom it should be00:13:52
given, it was decided that this territory00:13:54
would be under international control, but00:13:56
the war began and then we already know what00:13:59
happened first and accordingly00:14:01
Israel conquered West Jerusalem00:14:03
then East And now the Arabs the Arabs of00:14:07
Palestine still lay claim to00:14:09
Jerusalem what is this, what is this their00:14:11
territory Israel does not agree with this00:14:14
By the way, when we talk about the British00:14:16
manda, I watched a few00:14:18
films and read a few things I’m not00:14:21
so well versed in the history of00:14:24
Israel at that time, Palestine at that00:14:27
time. Yes, I have one: when under the00:14:30
British Mandate,00:14:31
Jews and Arabs suffered equally, that is, it was not00:14:33
clear which direction00:14:36
the British leaned more towards you, as you00:14:40
understand this, you are saying everything correctly00:14:43
this is such a00:14:44
triangle: Jews against Arabs, Arabs00:14:47
against Jews and they are all against the British,00:14:50
because00:14:52
at first the Jews were kind to the British,00:14:55
when the White Paper came out00:14:57
restricting00:14:59
us from coming, the Jews became against the British.00:15:02
In general, this is really a bit of a00:15:04
tangled tangle, so it’s understandable that there is a00:15:06
desire for some kind of that moment of Britain,00:15:08
which told the guys everything, so we00:15:11
drew the map together with the UN in00:15:13
1948, we are leaving here because it was00:15:17
no pleasure for anyone to control what was happening here,00:15:20
so yes, indeed, there were questions for the British00:15:22
too; the00:15:23
British, on the one hand,00:15:26
helped the Jews on the other groans Aram dest such a00:15:28
slightly tangled tangle of00:15:30
relationships when we look at the00:15:32
year forty-eight, when Israel was formed00:15:34
in this modern Israel, yes, did it really00:15:37
not occur to anyone00:15:40
that everything would end very badly, that on00:15:43
such a small piece of land it00:15:46
would be difficult for people who, well, just00:15:49
in general, to get along does not coincide there on all issues00:15:54
And look, firstly, that it could00:15:58
have ended badly, I Well, they probably00:16:00
assumed, but nevertheless the00:16:02
Jew made a promise to create a national00:16:04
home and it was clear that after the Holocaust,00:16:07
especially for them, such a state00:16:09
should be created.00:16:11
And here you know This is a question about00:16:14
simple solutions, many especially00:16:17
when they come out in support of00:16:18
Palestine, free Palestine, and so on, it00:16:21
all seems to them that there is some very00:16:22
simple solution: they gave away the lands and00:16:24
everything is fine, someone says there is one in00:16:27
Israel too, who says let’s on the contrary,00:16:29
we00:16:32
will join gas there. It seems that there are some00:16:34
simple solutions to the Arab-Israeli00:16:36
conflict, there are no simple solutions,00:16:38
so what kind of solution you won’t offer me, I00:16:40
’ll find how it was criticized, it’s always a00:16:43
search for some kind of compromise. I00:16:45
think it was most likely obvious that there00:16:48
would be some difficulties in this00:16:49
territory, but it was supposed to00:16:53
be a matter between Jews and Arabs.00:16:55
Britain came out of here. It00:16:57
can certainly be said that the plan that00:16:59
he proposed in 1948,00:17:01
again for those who suddenly do not know what the plan00:17:04
was as it actually looks now,00:17:06
there was one part - this is Judea and Samaria,00:17:09
which is also called the West Bank of the00:17:10
Jordan River, the other part is the00:17:12
Gaza Strip, but between them there was Israel, this is a00:17:15
rather strange construction where one00:17:17
state, which was supposed to be Yes, the00:17:19
Arab one, will be divided by some00:17:22
small means the territories of the land Where the00:17:25
Jews live, of course This story was00:17:26
unviable00:17:28
according to a simple principle: this is where the Arabs live00:17:30
there for the Arabs Where the Jews live, they00:17:32
divided the Jews like this, so naturally00:17:34
a conflict arose and what we see now is also a00:17:37
consequence of the fact that the map itself00:17:39
was drawn like this a little strange, but00:17:42
here it is worth noting that if I am not00:17:44
mistaken, or practically this is00:17:45
the only time at the UN when both the USA and the00:17:47
USSR voted equally00:17:49
for this map and for the creation of00:17:51
two states, and here it is important to note00:17:54
that this creation of a Jewish state00:17:57
and an Arab one did not have the formulation of the00:17:59
creation a Jewish state and00:18:01
Palestine, an Arab state Because00:18:04
it didn’t exist here before,00:18:05
they decided to let it be But00:18:08
the term Palestine itself didn’t exist then And00:18:10
self-identification at some point,00:18:13
it probably began in the first century, and00:18:15
only then at some point00:18:17
The Arabs of Palestine realized that we are00:18:19
Palestinians, but this is not some kind of story,00:18:22
that Palen who are Jewish for 3 years in00:18:27
Ivo, the identification itself just needs to be00:18:29
understood the00:18:31
dates when we are talking about the state, but00:18:33
in fact, there is a state today, one00:18:36
is the state of Israel and the second is00:18:39
still not a state in the sense that00:18:42
even if there are several00:18:45
UN resolutions there, as if officially, it is00:18:48
still not a state.00:18:50
Yes, it is a state. We can say that00:18:53
this is a state at the stage of formation. That00:18:55
is, the state must have its own00:18:58
authorities, it has its own police. its own00:19:00
army, and so on, and so on, and so00:19:02
on, this is not a little bit better, things00:19:05
are in Judea, Samaria, aka the West00:19:08
Bank of the Jordan River, things are a little worse00:19:10
in the gas sector, again, that is, we need to00:19:12
emphasize this, unfortunately, too. Many people do00:19:14
n’t understand. these two parts of00:19:17
which the so-called Palestine now consists, the00:19:19
West Bank and the00:19:22
Gaza Strip, they are not just divided among themselves,00:19:25
here one power here is another, which means00:19:28
where the Jews of Samari are there Fatah Fatah Party And00:19:31
in the Gaza Strip, respectively, Hamas and00:19:33
They are, to put it mildly, not very friendly with each other00:19:35
Because when Hamas came to00:19:37
power, he killed representatives of the other00:19:40
party, so they are generally divided, they00:19:42
together don’t really like Jews here,00:19:45
you know. Tell me who is your friend, who is your00:19:47
enemy, and let’s unite here. But if00:19:49
we have with the Fatahs and with the part that the00:19:52
western bank of the Ordan River is00:19:54
strained, but more or less at least some kind of00:19:56
relationship because they don’t want to00:19:58
destroy us, they say let’s come00:20:00
to an agreement somehow, we just00:20:01
can’t come to an agreement, then with Hamas and the00:20:03
gas sector it’s a little more complicated because00:20:05
they don’t want they say00:20:07
you have to be destroyed, there00:20:09
were a lot of plans, I think00:20:11
even Trump proposed a rather00:20:12
interesting plan, he had a plan. That’s00:20:15
how Israel says, let’s00:20:16
somehow agree, maybe we’ll give you so much00:20:18
land. Maybe you don’t know. that00:20:20
means we’ll pay so much money00:20:22
for you to build a city and Hamas says00:20:24
we want you to be00:20:26
destroyed Israel wasn’t Israel00:20:28
says maybe we’ll offer you something like this00:20:30
Well, I’m exaggerating now Yes, but00:20:32
to make it clear Hamas says we’re not00:20:34
interested We want it you did not00:20:35
exist at the same time, it is very clearly necessary00:20:38
to separate and I try to do this there in00:20:40
my videos Hamas from the inhabitants of Palestine,00:20:43
that is, Hamas It was once00:20:46
a party, now the party is simply essentially the government00:20:48
in Gaza, a terrorist group00:20:50
that has its own interests, its ideals, Hamas00:20:52
has chosen live in00:20:57
200, I’ll tell you about it. That’s the fact that this is a00:21:00
separate structure, and what the00:21:02
people of Palestine represent is00:21:04
not equal to Hamas. Yes, some of them00:21:06
are subject to propaganda, some of them are00:21:08
against Jews, but in general this should not be00:21:11
put here equal to Hamas - it’s Hamas00:21:13
Palestine and Palestine now about what00:21:15
you say about the elections. Absolutely true,00:21:17
another of the narratives that they like to00:21:19
use is that in fact,00:21:21
Israel created Hamas, they00:21:24
gave it water. For him, you need to understand when00:21:28
Hamas came to power, it was a00:21:30
charitable organization that00:21:33
helped build hospitals schools were00:21:36
engaged in education, firstly, the00:21:39
Palestinians liked them because Fatykh,00:21:41
who then led the00:21:44
Gaza Strip, was a fairly corrupt00:21:46
party,00:21:48
and Hamas seemed to be philanthropists,00:21:51
something new, a breath of air, it’s clear that the00:21:53
Palestinians liked them,00:21:55
moreover, Israel liked Hamas then00:21:58
because that, again, there was a fakh in which00:22:04
terrorist attacks periodically took place under his auspices and indeed there00:22:06
were difficult relationships with them, then00:22:08
Hamas appears, cool guys00:22:10
do charity work, build00:22:11
schools, hospitals, everything is fine and he comes to00:22:13
power00:22:15
Hamas a year later, if I’m not mistaken, he00:22:18
seizes power and kills everyone00:22:20
representatives of another party and the entire00:22:22
Gaza Strip turns out to be under the power of Hamas and a00:22:23
military wing appears there which00:22:26
begins regular attacks, regular00:22:28
murder which begins to build00:22:29
underground tunnels Well and so on Yeah00:22:32
We have a question from the audience Leo Yudkovich00:22:35
Hello Leonid he is 60 years old he is from00:22:38
Boston What is his citizenship residents of Gaza00:22:40
What Passports do they have? Do they00:22:43
even have a good question? Residents of Gaza00:22:46
residents of Gaza have no passports00:22:48
because there is no state. And in general, Leonid00:22:51
touches on a good topic in general with00:22:53
refugees. Yes, because refugees are a00:22:55
person who does not have his own land and does not have a00:22:57
passport. Therefore, in in Gaza, people don’t have00:22:59
passports, and in general,00:23:02
Palestinian refugees don’t have passports, that’s a completely00:23:03
different story, I’m sorry that I’m00:23:04
a little away from passports, which means I’m going00:23:07
aside, and I00:23:10
just need to say something about Palestinian refugees separately. And in the world,00:23:12
according to UN estimates, 117 if I I’m not mistaken,00:23:16
the numbers are here right now. Don’t catch me right00:23:17
on the accuracy of the numbers. 117 million refugees and the00:23:21
UN is involved in this. There is a separate00:23:23
division in everything that00:23:25
deals only with Palestinian refugees,00:23:28
only they receive00:23:30
good funding for this00:23:33
and accordingly keeps records of these00:23:36
refugees and Palestinian refugees are00:23:39
the only ones in all over the world who have00:23:42
the right, this refugee status00:23:44
is00:23:45
inherited; no other refugees out of00:23:48
117 million in the world have such a right, that is,00:23:50
if I left some country with my family,00:23:53
then when my00:23:54
children are born, they are no longer refugees they00:23:56
already live in another country, they give imr,00:23:59
this is already the second story, then Palestinian00:24:01
refugees have the right, this00:24:04
refugee status is inherited,00:24:06
if at the beginning in 1948 there00:24:09
were 600-700 Palestinian refugees, according to various00:24:10
estimates, now there are00:24:13
more 400:24:15
million money is allocated for all of them The UN00:24:18
gives money European00:24:19
charitable foundations give money This is00:24:22
Big Business This is one of00:24:26
them It’s profitable for Mas to be in Gaza and why00:24:29
Hamas benefits from the war with Israel Because00:24:32
you get money from charitable organizations And you do00:24:35
n’t need to work because it’s money They're coming They're coming in a00:24:37
large00:24:38
stream, including from Iran, but00:24:42
the main part What's surprising is that it's00:24:43
just from European organizations that are00:24:45
aimed at helping refugees, I don't need to00:24:48
tell you where this money goes, not00:24:50
really to help refugees We'll talk about these00:24:52
billions, we'll definitely talk about them No, I haven't00:24:55
forgotten yet It’s worth mentioning separately,00:24:57
for example, in Lebanon, Palestinian refugees live there. You do00:25:00
n’t need to imagine that they live00:25:02
in tents right in the city, they live in cities.00:25:04
They just have refugee status in Lebanon,00:25:07
for example, they are severely limited in their rights00:25:09
to use healthcare, they00:25:10
use only special00:25:11
hospitals, they cannot, for example, be00:25:12
engineers or lawyers, this relates to the question of00:25:16
how the Arabs of Lebanon relate to the Arabs of00:25:19
Palestine Well, in Lebanon, not only Arabs00:25:21
By the way, if anything, just in00:25:24
case,00:25:26
talk00:25:28
about the leadership Rather, yes, yes,00:25:31
Anatoly Elanetsky writes in our chat. I think00:25:33
it’s very important to answer him, he writes00:25:35
Hamas committed a military coup in Gaza00:25:37
and did not come to power in the elections I just00:25:39
want us to quickly talk about the00:25:41
elections to the Palestinian00:25:43
Legislative Council in 2006 when, as00:25:46
a result of00:25:47
the elections, Hamas was held and won there 4400:25:52
about, in my opinion, they gained00:25:55
much less seats from the rest, so that’s why Let’s00:25:58
quickly answer this narrative00:25:59
and move on. You00:26:02
answered everything correctly. You said it seems to me that you00:26:03
just psychologically need to00:26:05
introduce the concept of Hamas 1 and Hamas 2.00:26:08
Here is Hamas 1, the first version of Hamas is a00:26:11
charitable organization, it00:26:12
really came through an elective route.00:26:15
Hamas 2 is a terrorist organization.00:26:17
organization Which, again,00:26:19
indicates this very simply that in 2006 there00:26:21
were elections in Palestine, but now we00:26:24
are talking about the Gaza Strip and there00:26:25
were no more elections. That is, in 2007,00:26:27
when the coup was going on, how many 16 16 years00:26:31
it turns out, yes, 16 years there have been no elections in the00:26:32
strip gas doesn’t really smell like the00:26:36
Palestinians democratically00:26:37
support the modern00:26:40
Hamas group there is still a question: what elections without00:26:43
a state are elections to the parliament of the00:26:45
Palestinian Authority That is, this does not00:26:47
mean that we don’t have the word State00:26:50
and that’s all No elections and there are people there I don’t00:26:53
know fire with stones are extracting Let's just00:26:56
briefly say it here in 1993. In00:26:58
1993 there were agreements. We00:27:00
can also read about this. When00:27:02
finally there was Yasser Arafat, which means00:27:04
Israel and and the Arabs of Palestine00:27:07
agreed on what it00:27:09
means, let's name it now quickly, yes, in00:27:11
quotes, the Palestinians recognize Israel00:27:13
Israel recognize Palestine Now00:27:14
let's negotiate In what form it00:27:16
will be And just the state began00:27:18
to form, that’s why elections began there00:27:20
and so on and so on, but00:27:21
this whole process, as we know, went in the wrong00:27:25
direction, another question from the chat Elena00:27:27
writes just such a pain Hello,00:27:31
Sorry for the awkward question I can’t00:27:32
argue with my father, he says that in00:27:34
the territory where Hamas attacked there were00:27:37
mostly Russians, they were left00:27:39
alone with Hamas Elena, 40 years old from00:27:43
Irkutsk, see the first e when00:27:46
Hamas attacked on October 7, there he attacked both kibbutz00:27:49
kvaraza and the neighboring one, including00:27:51
where the most wild shots it was there there00:27:53
was a festival there was a music00:27:55
festival at this festival there were people from00:27:57
different countries It’s not only Russia there, that00:27:59
means half of Europe people just00:28:01
came to relax this is the first moment the00:28:03
second moment you need to understand that00:28:07
Russian-speaking00:28:08
Israelis with a00:28:10
99% probability have a second citizenship oh,00:28:13
there are Israelis who are not from Russia who00:28:15
were born here, their parents just speak00:28:16
Russian, they know, okay, not 99, let it00:28:19
be 90, but most of the00:28:22
adults are Israelis who speak Russian,00:28:24
they have Russian passports, so it’s00:28:26
a little difficult to divide whether they00:28:28
were straight Russians or from Russia They00:28:30
could also be citizens of Israel00:28:33
This is separate. I was interested in00:28:35
watching now a short excursion into what00:28:37
happened in Dagestan with the plane, you00:28:40
know this when they said that we will not allow00:28:42
Israelis here, which means there are Israeli Jews and so00:28:44
on, firstly the Israelis who the ones00:28:47
who say Oko in Hebrew, the local00:28:49
locals, aren’t really that good; to be honest, they’re00:28:50
eager to go on vacation to Russia; they’re just00:28:52
vacationing in Europe, it’s closer and cheaper;00:28:54
secondly, those Russian speakers who00:28:57
were on that plane, they’re citizens00:29:01
of Russia, this is this, that is, we’re one00:29:03
part we see the other we don’t see this a00:29:05
little bit this kind of semi-blindness happens to00:29:07
people when they see something they don’t00:29:09
see something Unfortunately this happens, or00:29:12
when it’s difficult for them to agree What00:29:14
can this happen in Russia today in00:29:16
2023, another question is how gas residents00:29:20
leave for border Roman sprat But00:29:22
now they are not leaving anywhere, as far as I00:29:24
see that even Egypt, which in00:29:27
principle should support its Muslim brothers, does00:29:30
not want to release gas to itself,00:29:33
but firstly, that is, the first part is00:29:38
that the Arabs who live in the gas sector,00:29:42
including in Judea Samaria they have00:29:44
permission to enter Israel That is, they are00:29:46
checked that they are not terrorists, that they are00:29:47
normal and they work here and work00:29:50
well and they are absolutely adequate. There are00:29:53
no00:29:55
problems with this, the first moment of the slaughter00:29:57
and all of them from Israel were asked to00:30:00
leave Israel by someone - then someone there returned to Gas00:30:01
in Judea Samari This is the first00:30:03
moment, it’s really difficult for them to leave00:30:05
because they don’t have passports, the00:30:08
fate of the00:30:09
population of the West Bank is that they have00:30:11
Jordanian passports, if you want, we’ll00:30:13
talk about it about the annexation of Jordan of the00:30:16
West Bank of the Jordan River But this is a little00:30:19
different, that’s why first of all, yes, they00:30:21
go to Israel. This is the first point, the00:30:22
second thing is that you noticed that everyone00:30:24
is saying that Israel has occupied the00:30:26
Gaza Strip of the EU, we are now concentrating on the gas strip,00:30:28
everyone apparently has00:30:29
the idea that there is Israel and00:30:31
inside is here The Gaza Strip is so small00:30:32
and we mean everything there has been blocked off, that’s00:30:35
not true. The Gaza Strip borders on Egypt and00:30:38
Egypt has exactly the same wall in the Gaza Strip.00:30:40
They also don’t want to accept00:30:42
these refugees because they are radical00:30:45
guys, despite the fact that00:30:47
they are Arabs like those that they live in Egypt they do00:30:50
n’t want to accept them they don’t want to00:30:52
accept Syria wants to accept them Lebanon00:30:54
Jordan doesn’t want to accept them for one00:30:56
simple reason00:30:57
that at one time when Western was part of00:31:01
Jordan They tried to stage a00:31:03
coup there and overthrow the king, and more00:31:06
than once this What years? this is the year00:31:11
after the fortieth year, briefly then in the same00:31:14
year, it means that Israel appeared, the00:31:17
Arab countries that00:31:19
were in the area didn’t like it, they say Well, now00:31:20
we will00:31:21
fight wounds Vova, shame00:31:26
Aleda means to fight00:31:36
Jordan, the second part was annexed by00:31:39
Jordan, the terms are different, it is important to00:31:41
understand occupation, that is, Egypt00:31:42
he occupied, he simply kept this00:31:44
territory under his control, and00:31:46
Jordan annexed this territory and00:31:48
began issuing its00:31:51
passports, little is known about it. Well, they kind of know about it00:31:53
in Israel, but not everyone knows it00:31:55
abroad, especially who hold the00:31:57
Arab countries were not very00:31:59
eager to create Palestine Egypt00:32:02
annexed Jordan annexed a piece of land to itself00:32:04
and everything00:32:05
suited everyone, then there was the00:32:08
Six-Day War. Then it means these00:32:10
parts separated, and so on and so forth.00:32:12
Well, I hope I was able to00:32:14
answer another narrative that often00:32:17
appears. Well, at least I don’t know.00:32:20
Surely you see On your Instagram,00:32:23
be sure to00:32:27
put a link here Roman bigon is superb and00:32:30
with rice in one minute you can know a lot of things00:32:32
they say that Israel wants to00:32:34
seize the gas territory Does it need00:32:37
it What will happen after Israel00:32:40
defeats Hamas what will happen to this00:32:42
territory is already00:32:44
known Let's talk about it first00:32:47
capture the common narrative00:32:50
Israel wants gas from very countries for those00:32:53
who live in Israel, firstly, in the year of the00:32:57
agreement, Israel says we00:32:59
recognize that there is the Gaza Strip,00:33:01
please do it there, it means your00:33:02
State, this is the first moment, the second00:33:05
The most painful moment for Israel in00:33:07
2005 there was a so-called00:33:10
delimitation of lands about 88,000 about00:33:13
8,000 Israelis lived in the Gaza Strip Here00:33:15
on this small piece of land Israel00:33:18
forcibly removed its citizens from there00:33:21
so you understand they resisted They did00:33:22
not want to leave Israel withdrew them withdrew00:33:25
its troops says guys we are00:33:27
not there at all build a state00:33:30
please therefore, it’s very strange that he says00:33:32
that we really want to capture the Gaza Strip,00:33:34
if we’re telling the whole story, please00:33:36
Well, we don’t need the second point, let’s say00:33:41
Israel suddenly decides to capture the00:33:42
Gaza Strip, which is very strange, you need to00:33:45
understand that there are more than two million00:33:47
people there who are mostly00:33:51
saturated with propaganda they hate Israel00:33:53
and the Jews after October 7. They hate it00:33:56
even more, and00:34:00
the connection is built in such a way that it is not Israel, that is, the00:34:03
connection is not built so that Hamas carried out a00:34:05
terrorist attack, killed civilians, and for00:34:07
this Israel is bombing us, so we00:34:09
remove Hamas from this chain and the narrative00:34:11
that Hamas is promoting, it’s just that00:34:13
Israel is bombing us, Israel is bad. All we00:34:15
get is 2 million plus people00:34:16
who hate us, this is the second time.00:34:20
Suppose we suddenly at some point00:34:22
mean we start telling them the truth,00:34:24
show historical books and they are00:34:26
like that, we all understand Israel Well done00:34:29
We want live in Israel We are ready, we00:34:31
love Jews, Israel doesn’t need this,00:34:34
Israel has a population of 9 million people, 9,300,00:34:36
if my memory serves me wrong, 20% of them,00:34:39
every fifth is an Arab, this is relevant to the question, but00:34:41
about what kind of relations we have with the Arabs and00:34:43
how much we are against the Arabs 20 % one-00:34:46
fifth of Israel - These are Arabs, if we00:34:47
add another 2 million people from the00:34:50
Gaza Strip and God forbid another 3 million people from00:34:54
Judea from Samaria, then what will happen here, and00:34:57
also refugees who are scattered and in Liwa more00:34:59
refugees who are scattered, then we will00:35:02
simply get an advantage of the Arab population They00:35:04
will vote and there will be a new Arab00:35:06
state. Israel doesn’t need this, so00:35:08
Israel says with all its might, please00:35:09
guys, build, build your state.00:35:13
Gaza Strip please means Jews of00:35:16
Samaria. Let’s sit down and agree on00:35:17
the territory, divide everything and let’s00:35:20
live in peace. Israel has an important point00:35:23
that they are forgetting about. It is economically00:35:25
very unprofitable for Israel to be in this00:35:28
state of war, or in this state of00:35:31
hostilities, constantly in Israel,00:35:34
uh, in every house, modern and in. Well,00:35:38
what they used to build is the so-00:35:40
called mamat about this. By the way, I did00:35:42
n’t film the video, I’ll have to remove the mamat - this is a00:35:44
protected room, so to build a00:35:45
mamat - this increases the cost of construction and00:35:48
real estate in Israel is expensive00:35:50
because you need to build a room that is00:35:51
protected with thick concrete and iron00:35:53
shutters, this is a huge financial00:35:56
cost for the army, it’s huge just for the00:35:59
army, this is two maintenance of an iron00:36:01
dome that intercepts missiles00:36:03
every launch such a rocket is very00:36:05
expensive, this is three, Israel's economy00:36:08
would have flown into space long ago if we had not00:36:09
spent money on security, but we are00:36:11
forced to do this because there is a00:36:14
threat from the Gaza Strip00:36:17
and the West Bank, here I will now00:36:21
finish the moment when you say Israel is zae00:36:25
in means terrorist Yeah, there is always an argument for this from00:36:29
those who support00:36:30
Palestine, yes they say, but why did00:36:32
terrorists appear because Israel00:36:34
annexed before this, you say, but00:36:36
Israel before this because there were00:36:37
terrorists and this is an endless process00:36:40
that who came first, the egg or the chicken Yes,00:36:44
who who was the first, the terrorist attacks were00:36:47
the first, or the response of the Jews,00:36:49
here you need to understand that Israel is a00:36:50
democratic state, for us this00:36:52
can be seen in our representatives of the Arab00:36:54
population in the Knesses in parliament, they are on00:36:56
television, they also study, they00:36:59
also work, we have equal rights to a00:37:00
democratic open state.00:37:03
when I arrived a year ago, there were00:37:04
elections here 40 parties 40 parties for which00:37:07
Israel voted. Israel is a Democratic00:37:09
country, so in this regard,00:37:12
everything is open in our country, we do not hide anything from anyone;00:37:14
another question is what is happening with00:37:18
our neighbors, this is a separate00:37:22
source, and00:37:33
there is a picture on the side She always comes from00:37:37
Gaza, very few pictures from Israel,00:37:41
very00:37:42
strong narrative that supports the00:37:44
residents of Gaza, very00:37:47
few I don’t know there narratives that00:37:49
can support the actions of Easy, you can00:37:51
disagree with the actions of00:37:53
the government00:37:55
But00:38:00
Israel is losing the information00:38:04
war The question is good and painful, but00:38:08
this is a fact as far as I am concerned I am sure that Israel00:38:10
will win this war and have no doubt about it,00:38:12
how real is the fact00:38:14
that Israel will lose the information00:38:15
war, my opinion is the same as one of00:38:18
my friends said, we live in a post-truth era00:38:27
on the air of a living nail, I don’t know, they ate a cat00:38:30
and I’ll attach a photo made by artificial00:38:32
intelligence, this photo will go viral00:38:34
faster before you have time to say that this is00:38:36
generally nonsense And even if you later00:38:39
refute it, no one will say Everything is clear00:38:41
everything is clear slander so that00:38:43
everything is the same here This is a clear00:38:46
story of what happened with the00:38:49
missiles hitting hospitals, after which00:38:52
these many thousands of rallies00:38:54
passed to the whole world that Israel00:38:58
Boni Where snow died then 500 or00:39:04
800 firstly then it became clear that it was00:39:07
not a hospital but a00:39:10
parking lot proved but after a day there I think00:39:12
that it was a rocket fired from the00:39:14
Gaza Strip they were in cancer simply00:39:16
of poor quality from the sewer pipes they00:39:18
fall partially in the Gaza Strip The00:39:27
Israeli military is evil, they are bombing us.00:39:29
Next, what will Israel respond, especially00:39:32
after an hour, it doesn’t matter Israel, in this regard,00:39:34
it is a little connected, I will explain why.00:39:36
Because Israel is a00:39:38
Democratic country, observing00:39:41
the principles of war there,00:39:43
and is ready to honestly and openly prove00:39:47
its position. can’t just00:39:49
say that Sakha can’t download00:39:51
it sec00:39:55
check attach a video it takes00:39:57
time00:39:58
uh every other day this information00:40:01
naturally wasn’t heard by anyone Yes, there’s00:40:03
something there New York Times seems to have00:40:05
apologized But for those people who00:40:06
went out into the street I’ll tell you I assure you they00:40:09
remembered that Israel is bombing a hospital and00:40:12
have not heard anything about the fact that in00:40:14
fact it is a fake And that this has long been00:40:17
issued a refutation, there is a00:40:20
rule here that if such news00:40:22
comes out there is time for its response - This is an hour That00:40:26
is, as soon as the Media Sector Gaza And once00:40:30
again it is necessary to clarify that everything that00:40:32
is in the Gaza Strip is under the control of00:40:34
Hamas Even if you are CNN AFP Ters and so00:40:38
on, this controls you. By the way, I00:40:40
also talked to experts if you are a00:40:42
Western journalist but you work there,00:40:44
your picture belongs to Hamas and you are00:40:46
only filming what Hamas gives you00:40:48
is natural, therefore what something that00:40:51
immediately said was the Ministry00:40:53
of Health of Gaza, that they ended up in the00:40:54
hospital, understanding that Hamas00:40:56
always says it, Hamas says it and was, well,00:41:00
what I read and what I know about this kind of00:41:02
information warfare there is00:41:03
one hour to answer this immediately00:41:06
if you didn’t have time then you didn’t have time now the question is00:41:08
how to answer this Sahal cannot00:41:10
afford to say No, this is definitely from the00:41:12
Gaza Strip until we check and00:41:14
are sure of it and this is the complexity of the00:41:17
information war, that is and here this00:41:19
is art. That is, for example, again,00:41:22
I have the utmost respect for the tsahal and they are very00:41:24
cool and their press services00:41:26
are amazing. But you need00:41:29
to be prepared for such things. What would I do? I would give out00:41:32
some kind of preparation about something about the fakes00:41:34
that are going on from Gaza There is even such a00:41:36
term as polywood and something that is being filmed in00:41:38
Palestine, fakes about that fake00:41:41
exposure fake exposure and then a00:41:43
video from this video allegedly ending up in the00:41:46
hospital and a question like is it true or is it a00:41:49
fake Tsahal will answer in 24 hours, that is, it doesn’t00:41:52
matter there should always00:41:54
be a reaction to such statements00:41:57
and we are losing the information war,00:41:59
this is a fact in this case we are connected we are00:42:01
connected the truthfulness of the information we00:42:04
cannot tell ourselves something now and then00:42:06
it will turn out to be untrue Hamas can00:42:09
afford this Well, by the way, it’s like history00:42:11
what about the crucified boy and the story00:42:13
with the butch, that is, in Russia they launched that00:42:15
it was a production and to this day, even when00:42:18
international commissions are working there, there is an00:42:20
investigation into war crimes, I don’t know anymore,00:42:23
representatives of different countries spoke about00:42:33
the forging, it was a00:42:35
production Why do they show00:42:37
photographs from the gas all the time firstly, there is a00:42:39
lot of destruction in gas, it’s more interesting to show00:42:41
than a beautiful tevi secondly,00:42:44
our psychology is structured this way That we are00:42:46
most often on the side of the00:42:48
weak, good people from00:42:55
on the weak, but what if you don’t dive in and00:42:58
don’t analyze it I’m now looking at00:43:00
young people of this age my eldest00:43:03
son is 17 and 18 years old. I’m not saying that he00:43:06
thinks so. But if those who are now00:43:08
coming out, for example, to pro-Palestinian00:43:10
rallies, that is, they have Greta Thunberg, they00:43:12
have Global warming, they00:43:14
have conscious conscious consumption,00:43:17
they need to sort bottles and there are residents00:43:19
gas, it’s all in one And the ball, that is,00:43:21
you need it, you need it for everything good against00:43:24
everything bad, that’s how it turns out,00:43:27
yes yes 100% and and unfortunately they don’t00:43:29
understand And who is right and who is wrong, from00:43:32
my point of view, it’s like ordinary00:43:34
residents of gas Well they are really a victim00:43:37
That is, I agree with this, I feel very00:43:38
sorry for them and I assure you the Israelis also feel00:43:41
sorry when they see not a single Jew00:43:43
will scream Let's kill00:43:46
Palestinian babies Absolutely true,00:43:49
but in this case the00:43:51
Palestinians are really hostages here, but they are not hostages of00:43:54
Israel they are hostages of a boor00:43:59
so you and I can join and00:44:03
say I think so by the way and that’s exactly why what00:44:06
I do and what00:44:09
my colleagues do Why do we record00:44:10
such short one-minute videos,00:44:13
even now we don’t dive right00:44:14
deep into history Why Because people00:44:18
who perceive the content quickly,00:44:20
he saw the photo, they saw this FC Steely as a00:44:23
boy from the gas that artificial00:44:24
intelligence made and the boy rubbed him.00:44:28
Look, it means how the Israeli00:44:29
military is bombing, it means Palestine the00:44:32
boy has six fingers because00:44:33
artificial intelligence generated this00:44:36
and for people who use00:44:37
such content is useless for them to give an00:44:40
hour-long lecture because they00:44:42
will not perceive it. Therefore, you need to take00:44:44
one topic, some specific00:44:46
small one, talk about it for a minute, this is00:44:49
what is now00:44:51
being done00:44:54
from on his Instagram Sapsan Thank you00:44:57
very much, I see a link there there is a history of00:44:59
Palestine for one minute it seems to me that this is00:45:01
your most popular video no00:45:03
maybe I’m wrong Yes yes yes and how did you even00:45:06
feel that you were able to00:45:09
convince someone to switch to the other side00:45:11
it was like00:45:12
look I’m not sure that in many ways it00:45:16
worked out This is actually a question Is it possible to00:45:17
convince people00:45:19
and from what I’ve been reading and00:45:22
watching lately about cognitive distortions about And00:45:25
about work In our brain, it’s just the00:45:28
presentation of information that doesn’t work, that00:45:31
is, if the video is from Palestine Okay, it00:45:33
really tells a lot of good things,00:45:35
but in general it’s like that too more more00:45:37
informative video I’m now trying to make00:45:39
some videos more about emotions,00:45:41
as far as I can do it00:45:43
because when you say facts,00:45:45
people, we perceive information00:45:47
first through emotions and then comes the fact.00:45:49
That is, if I say00:45:51
what does it mean Hamas trains militants00:45:55
who come and that means00:45:57
they kill Israelis with knives and guns, this00:46:00
first goes through emotions where I see00:46:02
that Israel is bad and00:46:04
Hamas means the army is such a liberation and00:46:08
only after that I perceive00:46:09
the information that they mean they killed someone with a00:46:11
knife of civilians, I understand for myself00:46:14
that this army of liberation is so00:46:17
is fighting against the invaders, that’s why here00:46:20
you need to try as much as possible to00:46:22
play on emotions as much as possible I don’t00:46:24
know I had a video that I00:46:26
posted it the day before yesterday it was unfortunately00:46:28
blocked by all social networks Now it’s on00:46:30
telegram we00:46:32
went 3 days 2 days ago We had it00:46:35
closed viewing00:46:38
ha l this is a terrible film they would show in00:46:42
the book it00:46:43
is shown to politicians and journalists in00:46:45
different countries in the Israeli consulate00:46:48
it is fundamentally not distributed00:46:50
there 40 minutes of the most brutal00:46:52
footage so I collected those00:46:56
parts of this footage are on the Internet I00:46:58
collected them in one video and posted them me and00:47:07
the watcher00:47:18
will see these atrocities when he cries00:47:21
when he, well, it’s like there are00:47:23
some moments to the point of nausea, only then it’s00:47:25
emotional for him, which means his perception00:47:28
will shift a little, that the00:47:30
most important thing doesn’t always00:47:34
work, you know, blood or or means00:47:36
something terrible from the point of view From the point of view of physiology,00:47:39
we watched this film. I had a lot of00:47:41
journalists. At what point did00:47:44
most people just do it like this?00:47:46
Well, horribly, they just never showed00:47:49
some kind of00:47:51
Aries,00:47:54
something was filmed from the house, there was a father with children00:47:58
with two children, teenagers there, about00:47:59
eleven years old, running there like a small00:48:01
shed and a Hamas grenade,00:48:05
the father dies, the children run out in blood,00:48:08
one of them then baptizes that I don’t see anything00:48:10
and then the same camera shows a00:48:13
frame when a woman enters with00:48:15
Israeli soldiers and apparently she00:48:18
shows what happened here. This is what I00:48:20
understood from the video her house and at00:48:22
some point she She enters this00:48:24
shed, sees her husband and just starts to00:48:26
fight in hysterics The soldiers try to drag her00:48:28
away, she falls screaming and cries and00:48:31
this breaks through, no story,00:48:34
no means economic analytics It wo00:48:37
n’t work better than if people see00:48:39
similar ones personnel, but at the moment00:48:41
Hal’s decision is not to publish00:48:43
there are ethical reasons for this. But00:48:46
nevertheless, one must understand that a two-hour00:48:49
lecture about the history of the Arab-Israeli00:48:52
conflict, for 2 hours a person watched the00:48:54
lecture and then they showed him a picture of a00:48:58
mother crying over the body of a child in gas and00:49:01
this picture interrupts a two-hour00:49:04
lecture and at the same time it doesn’t matter what the00:49:06
reason is Hamas the reason is the terror the reason00:49:09
Propaganda in the Gaza Strip everything is Israel is00:49:11
bad Unfortunately that’s how it works Well,00:49:14
by the way, Israel has reasons00:49:16
not to show uh respect and and and and the killed00:49:21
and the families for some reason they are in the gas.00:49:25
Well, again, I don’t want to judge,00:49:27
maybe this is some kind of cultural history, but for some reason they00:49:29
practically lift them up00:49:31
and show them and shine them there, well, under any00:49:34
camera under any spotlight Well, it’s somehow00:49:36
strange too, yes I have, uh, in my opinion, one00:49:39
of the first videos that I released, it00:49:42
was I gave a lecture. I like00:49:44
Moshe Linetsky, he has this one, he has a00:49:46
video on YouTubers, he talks very well, and00:49:48
he covers it from both00:49:49
sides. Recently, a00:49:51
video was released just about about the Gaza Strip and about00:49:53
Hamas are highly recommended, here’s a very00:49:55
recent video and he talks well there.00:49:57
He explains that we00:49:59
just have different values. This is not because it00:50:02
means the Palestinians are bad and we are good,00:50:04
or vice versa, we have different values;00:50:06
the value of human life is important to us;00:50:09
human life is important to us. they are more00:50:11
important, this is aggravated by00:50:13
the propaganda of Hamas, some00:50:16
Great Goal and ideals are important. That is, where do00:50:18
martyrs come from, life is not so important to00:50:22
die for some00:50:24
Great Goal, you can infect listen Well, in00:50:26
different cultures in different peoples there is, it00:50:28
means dying for a Great Goal is00:50:30
selfless Yes, there is, but when00:50:34
you’ve been trying to create a state for 75 years00:50:36
and you can’t and you keep00:50:38
promoting some Great Goal and00:50:40
people have to die for it, it’s probably00:50:43
time to reconsider your00:50:45
views and00:50:47
position a little. Well, yes, and then again I did00:50:51
parallel with Russia, many people00:50:54
themselves sign contracts and also believe00:50:57
that they are going to00:50:59
liberate someone from the fascists for some Great Idea.00:51:02
Therefore, by the way, is it possible to defeat00:51:05
ideology? When will00:51:08
the leaders of Hamas be destroyed? Will it be possible to00:51:11
get rid of this00:51:16
idea? I think00:51:18
so the older generation Although in Gaza00:51:21
you know a very very young generation,00:51:23
that is, the generation that is older From00:51:25
what point is it useless to convince a person, it is00:51:26
unrealistic That is, even if00:51:28
we prove everything to him, we tell him, we show him, he will00:51:31
still internally say yes, I00:51:32
looked at everything, but in general I I am against Israel,00:51:36
as for those who can be convinced,00:51:38
this is very very very many times a very00:51:41
long work, that is, Well, technically, how00:51:44
would it00:51:45
look like this is one of, again, there is no00:51:48
single option for what to do now with the00:51:50
gas sector, we are considering one of the00:51:52
hypothetical ones, we are entering the Sector Gaza00:51:55
e we take control into our own hands now00:51:58
the question is What to do with this population we00:52:00
need to open the eyes of this population and00:52:02
show how everything really is theory00:52:05
Israel takes control of the media newspapers00:52:08
magazines creates independent media00:52:10
including and begins to tell the whole00:52:12
story as it really is lectures in00:52:15
schools, talk shows, and so on. Everything about the00:52:17
history of the Arab-Israeli conflict,00:52:19
we’re not with you for an hour now, but00:52:21
just for years, and maybe after some00:52:24
time, in 5-10 years, some large00:52:28
part of the population will see and understand that00:52:31
Hamas did how at some point the Germans00:52:33
understood what Hitler was doing, but it’s not me who00:52:37
tells you that some of the Germans Well, they00:52:40
believed in Hitler in this idea and00:52:42
remained and you can’t do anything about it,00:52:43
and here we are00:52:46
looking at the wisdom of the00:52:48
Torah, everyone knows This is the story that00:52:51
Moses led the Jews through the desert for 40 years, but00:52:54
few people know why he did this, so00:52:57
the sages answer that he drove for 40 years, not00:52:59
because he couldn’t, you know,00:53:01
he had topographical00:53:02
deviations, which means he couldn’t bring them out00:53:04
normally to the the land where Israel later appeared00:53:07
No, this was done so00:53:09
that the generation of slaves would die out. That is, those00:53:11
Jews who00:53:12
came out Okay, who came out of Egypt and00:53:15
who were slaves believed in idols, this00:53:17
generation had to leave and therefore00:53:19
only with a new generation we can00:53:21
change00:53:22
the situation, I suggest that There is00:53:25
very little time left, be sure00:53:26
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