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Pavlovsky, a political scientist for Olegovich
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Hello
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Good morning in the bunker already for Polyakovich
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good in what in the bunker
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in the bunker Well, yes, this is such a big bunker of the
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Russian Federation, this is an amazing
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place now, don’t forget
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what you think Will there be a nuclear war
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no nuclear war definitely not there will be a
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use of
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nuclear instruments almost certainly.
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Can you explain the meaning there will be no
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nuclear war there will be use
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watched a lot of films
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from school What is a nuclear war such a
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nuclear war where two sides press
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buttons and then there is nothing there is only
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Hollywood wanderings through a
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post-apocalyptic desert Zombies
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this will not happen
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but here is the use of
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different nuclear calibers. I think it is
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almost inevitable that there
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are different calibers, they have been developed for more than
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50 years, even
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these suitcase mines, someone told me
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that there are just some almost bullets
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for
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these same machine guns. And I
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nuclear mines are like that, that is, they are essentially
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not you control it, it will never explode in you.
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What I don’t know is that if I
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designed them, I didn’t tell you about them,
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but
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they definitely exist on the border, for example, between
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East West Germany there
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was a line of buried
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nuclear mines along the entire border, in case it’s
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known that there are a lot of them and you
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remember No, you don’t remember It’s good It’s
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good to tell you at all that you don’t
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remember anything because that means you were lucky
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neutron bomb You didn’t go to
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demonstrations of neutron weapons
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80s forgive me what year it was it
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was somewhere This is where -Andropov
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Chernenko, no, it’s
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scary to say thank you.
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I also thought that it was I who didn’t go, but I think
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that it’s something terrible, it turns out to be a
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pure nuclear weapon with practically no radiation.
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So maybe in the
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next block it was used and the
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block is already empty. And you’re
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even about this and you don’t know what the answer
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will be if Russia uses
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some kind of such, firstly, I don’t know who to
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use. You know, these are the
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excavation competitions. Who
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blew up the gas pipelines,
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we don’t know for sure, no one knows, the
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US President said that he will not
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rush doesn’t know either.
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Only the Kremlin knows.
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But in the end, these are the versions that can
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be included like this, because different participants can be
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named as actors. In this new
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escalation, there are about 5 different
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escalations at different speeds,
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and Ukraine and Russia, there are only two
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participants, two escalations, and there are Well, everyone
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still has a political Yes, Ukraine is urgently
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joining NATO Russia
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is carrying out unnecessary immobilization,
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but at the same time there is an
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economic escalation, there
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will be political escalations and when they
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will come together and what it will lead to, we don’t
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know. I think that there will be a direct clash with the
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North Atlantic Alliance, but it’s
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completely Well, rudeness and It’s rudeness
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to predict when it will happen soon But in
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what form I don’t know, look, it’s
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not double-handedness or something of
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Vladimir Vladimirovich’s statements, but because on the
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one hand he says this is our
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new territory Now we have
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these borders, firstly borders it’s not
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particularly clear why they move every
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second Yes, but that’s a different conversation But
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we have a precedent with Crimea and
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Belgorod with some kind of explosion of
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unknown origin that are not
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recognized as attacks, which means there is
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no need to do anything about them, and
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that is, in relation to new ones territories, he
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says that now they and we can get anywhere,
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up to the use of tactical weapons,
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but we have already
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seen that he did nothing. Should we
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trust him in these threats, should we trust him
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now at all, but there is a war going on? What kind of
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trust? You can’t trust anyone necessary but
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you just won’t jump out
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of a military situation in this way I do
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n’t trust someone Well don’t trust him it’s
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not cold not hot but
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he can use any reason
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of course the Kremlin can use any
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reason Belgorod Well of course Kherson is more beautiful
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Kherson is more valuable for the Russian heart than
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Belgorod or Voronezh This is just
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difficult, it hits our hearts
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The ashes of Kherson, so
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you understand After all, no one knows and he doesn’t
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know
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in his wonderful speech, but the speech is
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truly a wonderful speech,
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emotional, uh, completely
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ideological from beginning to end, uh, in a
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new ideological way from the very beginning
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Well, of course she in a new ideological way,
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that is, this is a speech. Of course, it caused it.
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If Putin had delivered it in some
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year 66 or 70 at the
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United Nations, then where the Assembly
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stood and would have seen it off with stormy,
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prolonged applause,
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because then who else is not realism something
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means
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colonialism was a problem who wasn’t
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many
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today it’s unfortunately for this
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ideology the train has gone
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to the individual Putin said we will
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protect from the West all the
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countries enslaved by the West so to speak And who is this
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who are these enslaved countries Burkina Faso we’re
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just turning Asia upside down there
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East
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Asia there Cambodia there Where they sew Vietnam
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Lord Where do these unfortunate children sew
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Vietnam in terms of population is approaching the
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Russian Federation in terms of
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population and then it is Closer as an ally I
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think closer now to the states
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and even China, which it does not like
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No, now everything is completely different but I
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just
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said that he is in the BMW trend, that we are the
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oppressed, we must How to rise up
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the enemy
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This is not a struggle for sovereignty, but it
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exists only as relevant I
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think only in
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Russia in the Kremlin Well, maybe in
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some European countries that are under
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this they understand something other than the attacks of the
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armed forces, so what are we
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going to worry about now, the speech is clear, clear, we will
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fight with the West to the last, as if
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somehow as long as the
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last slave lived on earth.
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So
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now there is a motive, there
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is no army, but there is a motive now
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how everything has changed you understand all the
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time you look at everything as if sadly
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pessimistic we joke and laugh
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nuclear winter Well, imagine that
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six months ago at the end of February
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this military success and failure would have gone
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a little differently the beginning of a
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special military operation and it could have
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been it could have been there would have been a slightly different
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configuration and there would have been a completely different
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war. Well, what would be more terrible, in
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fact, more terrible things than this
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boring asset yesterday in the St. George's Hall
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If, let's say, there had not been a large-scale
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attack, the Donbass LPR would have been
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quickly declared from the very beginning if a
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large-scale attack had been
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successful,
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what would have happened then there would have been
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disgusting pictures?
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I don’t even want to say it, but it’s just
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obvious that they would have looked more like
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films about the
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Second World War or is it 41 years ago, but
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that didn’t happen. So, what
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happened is this connection happened some kind of
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terrible military attacks from the bureaucratic
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when it’s not clear You said correctly
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that it’s not clear what, in fact, we
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acquired,
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that where Russia, as it were, expanded,
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a war began, as if
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half a family from Kherson was invited to the territory, so for
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me this is not an alien city, but
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it’s not had no affiliation when
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I grew up in it and
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there was an oak tree planted by Suvorov, by
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the way, he died Yes, he died somewhere in
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the seventies,
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but here he was, when I remember him,
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it means a
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beautiful city, such a city of not
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merchants, I would say different from
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Odessa was already the
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provincial city of Odessa,
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my
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family was still there,
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no, everything is already gone, unfortunately
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Everyone has already gone to another world there, it’s just
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My grandfather was an honorary citizen of Kherson,
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he was a colonel And when you liberated
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Kherson, it’s scary to say who it means,
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look, people who are older
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I don’t know the generation there. You Alexey Alekseevich Pastukhov, in
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principle, everyone is like our speakers,
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almost all of them were born in the Soviet Union
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and they literally say that all these are
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Soviet cities, but it’s like Putin
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is trying to get into this rhetoric too, it’s
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not as important
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by city
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as in the European Union there are no
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borders no danger everywhere You can
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be laid down but you felt that you belonged And what
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is being done now is that a new one is being created,
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that is, Putin is absolutely
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right in one respect Yes, he has launched the
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creation of a new world order, it
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will be a terrible order, it will stand
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fears
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on dangers on abilities snap back
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if you can’t snap back then it’s a disaster
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Trouble for you here on new types of weapons of
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new types and next to us There appears
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such a well small I said small
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evil non-Jewish Israel in the form of Ukraine
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That’s what uh in principle will be Hmm I don’t
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believe that it can become democratic a
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state like Israel,
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Ukraine, Ukraine will be a militarized,
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very militarized, tense,
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alarming state, dangerous for
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neighbors, well,
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what can we do? That’s
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what they ran into, they’ll
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write to you in the chat about who is to blame for
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Putin, in general,
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these are different things, the one to blame, of course, is
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the one who started talking about it no, but
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then it doesn’t matter anymore Who was
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to blame And what happened at the
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Belovezhskaya meeting they were all very
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happy in a translivian way How well they
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solved the problem it seemed to them, but it
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turned out they solved the problem poorly
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disgustingly
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from the speech by the way the same thing Vladimir
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Vladimirovich said quote
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he literally the same thing I said that
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some people had gathered and I don’t blame them
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because probably then it seemed to them
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that this was a reasonable, right step, but
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now we are
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taking a step just Japan, I
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understood that this was a delay. Well, a delay of 30
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years is a significant delay, but we didn’t
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take advantage and it’s Ukraine By
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the way, she pays a high price for this. She,
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in general, in essence then [ __ ]
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the church, it’s like nothing is a process, but
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nothing to say now. This is an interesting
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historical question. Why couldn’t we
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leave everything as it is, but already there is Kherson,
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there are Russian people in Donetsk Why What
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exactly
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within the borders that were established in the
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Belovezhskaya Pushcha, they have already divided it like this and all
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the borders are inviolable,
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don’t touch it, don’t touch it, don’t mess with
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what works, maybe
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you don’t understand why it works and no one
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understands there is a deeper rule, as
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the IT people say. Yes, somehow they built this
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crap for some reason - then it hasn’t collapsed and
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is working Well, don’t mess with it
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anyway And now And now we will
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liberate Colonial peoples who are
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not there for the rest of their lives, and
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actually the expense is an expensive
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pleasure antiquing The Soviet Union
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spent a lot of money on this
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So here’s the Trouble, the trouble We’re in the new in the world, we are
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moving towards a new phase of conflict with the army,
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which, as the dying
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Tsar Nicholas politely said, is not in the best condition, I am
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passing the command on to you, son. So, here we go, and then
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we will look, we are no longer
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in control, we have lost control, we have
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been losing control of our country for 30 years.
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Well, it’s gone now. All that remains is to rely
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on God knows someone, that is, you
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actually paint such a terrible picture of
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what we will have because it will last for a long time,
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you say that yes, a new world order
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is the status quo, but what needs to be done
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is to be engaged in, uh, designing
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the future of Russia because very soon
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She will be needed This is the other side of
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the question very soon for all of us I don’t
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know anymore And you will definitely need
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some proposals for the new Russia
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post-military The main thing is that there is someone to
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propose to stay Someone else is not,
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I think it will definitely be for sure and
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that the most
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insufficient preparation is that it will be needed very soon,
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and now the most correct thing is
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for those who are not involved in war, and this is,
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after all, the
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majority of the Russian population, who are engaged in, as it
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were, inventing a
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new safe
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military Russia, but they can no longer
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count on the fact that it will be like 30
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years ago they thought Oh now So we’ll
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tell everyone that the cold is over and
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now everyone will love us for a
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while, some loved us But it’s selfish and so
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this is the other side of the issue, we won’t
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get out of this war, that’s also a fact, we won’t get out of this war through
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peaceful negotiations this or
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next year. How then
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will we not get out? So we will have
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to form the same way as a very long time ago there
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were 30-year wars. Yes, to
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form many things at once, a new
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coalition of
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interested countries that are
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interested in ensuring that this
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disgrace ends, the idea of ​​an
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economy of some kind completely different from the one we
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had. us until the end of last
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year and which is great, to be honest,
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the work here is a new bureaucracy, we
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will need a lot of things we will need that now they don’t think about
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wasting time discussing what
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Vladimir Vladimirovich is up to, it’s not so
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interesting, it’s difficult to tear yourself away from this
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performance Gleb Olegovich, look at it And
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that’s how
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correct thing they said netflix We are
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putting on a movie that is hard to
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tear yourself away from And besides, this is not the first, not the
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first episode. I have already said that this is an immersive game, this is
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Bogomolov’s performance in which it later
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turns out that you have to
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take part in the finale, too, the finale
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will be interesting
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Yes, interesting, interesting But better would not
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participate Yes, as I said to
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the Red Army soldier,
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therefore it is
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really very important, that is, there is also an
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irresponsible side of the issue when the
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irresponsible population, having watched enough of
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irresponsible television, simply
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does not want to see until a summons arrives that
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something is happening,
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there is an important part of the issue, the
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state of Russia,
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once promised by Putin and what he
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derailed in February of this year means, but
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we will still need it, we cannot
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count on emigrants in
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tanks, Ambrose Abramsen, and will begin
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to offer us a solution, they have no solutions,
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they have such a Memories of European
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coffees for order about this is interesting
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because it seems to me that there
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really is such a gap between
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immigration and those who remained in this
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performance as participants, tell me this is
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very serious, I would say such an
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anthropological almost ethnic
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gap. Other Russians are forming themselves,
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remember when 30 years old like
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this Well, now there are new new Russians But
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they don’t care tell us they have a different
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agenda, a different content of life They
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look at it in a European way with the wolfish case of what is
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happening They look Well, is
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that really the same thing and they promise us some kind of good,
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humane occupation This is very funny
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because I know most of these people they
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can’t even entrust, as they say, a
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makeup artist’s shop and they will still
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arrange the occupation exactly. They will also
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arrange it like Putin arranges it here,
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see two fields. Excuse me, look,
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weren’t there examples when immigration
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came and put things in order there and
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came The revolutionary moment was
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so powerful, the second third was not the most
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stupid none of them brought anything
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back with them, first of all, very few people
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returned, let’s be honest,
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in one immigration Kuprin is another synonym
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Well, they brought something,
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they didn’t bring anything, that’s understandable, they couldn’t
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come back No, I mean Lenin,
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of course there is Lenina Kollontai Well, everyone
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who came and made a revolution at the
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moment
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went across the border, just uh, well, I don’t
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know how to travel through Upper
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Lars now, even in a simpler way, but no,
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no, no one brought anything, and of course
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Lenin brought, uh, what he produced here,
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no. All
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all the nasty things that were in our history
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developed inside Russia and
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therefore if we want another
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Russia of the future, cleaner, then we will also
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have to invent it here, I think
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it’s possible
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Thank you very much Gleb Pavlovsky was
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just on our air as a political scientist and we
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are finishing the morning spread
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