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this is
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Oleg,
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but now it’s a little bit to guard us, they did
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n’t come, they might be late online,
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so let’s get started,
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I brought the full schedule and you don’t
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know, after that you will have any
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seminars, how
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many does
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this semester have, yes yes yes, by the way, we have
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at next Friday there are more seminars and in
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my opinion there are a few more one things about this and
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but what I’m actually saying is that today we have a
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small text and I think that I can
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just sort it out there
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further fast settings for rumors of
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which seminars in your group which are not
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but I remember what’s next there are already some
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larger texts and it is assumed
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that you are violating the salts, so
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yes, but that’s what we usually do, that’s what we
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usually read, and therefore it’s broken and in the
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next one it will be about the question of
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amateurish analysis, let’s get more of them,
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I don’t know,
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but we usually it’s just that this is probably the first
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such small text and that’s why
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they usually do it by sharing their impressions and
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how they ask questions, but here it’s possible and almost
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none, and if you have any comments
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right away, let’s share your
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impressions, you
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can read it right away,
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again, I don’t know the necessary services to become,
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okay let's read further
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okay
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or are you reading what these I first
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read is how our patients
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tell the coming sexual if
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during analytical work gives us a
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reason for some interesting observation
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now you think that I want to say
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something is visible but in fact I’m not
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like that we understand that this is the rejection of
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depressing thoughts through the project and
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you ask who this
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person of dreams could be this is not the mother we are making
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corrections the publishers this is the mother we
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reserve the right when interpreting not to
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take into account the denial and chooses the
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content if in its pure form it is as
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if the patient said although
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the thought of a mother did not occur to me in connection with this person, I have
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no desire to acknowledge
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them;
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this seems to me to be a well-known example,
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but by the way, it is interesting in analysis very
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often 2 that, in principle, this projection
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even without a special subject, that is,
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now we probably think about there’s
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something bad about me,
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drive me out after us
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even with your analysis and often you think that
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well, this is it, I definitely don’t think
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now and then
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don’t think if you’re ours in your head, that means you’re
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thinking about it, it
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really works, that is, it’s
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day here this is purely
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chemical, and then I want to just
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rub it for 60 minutes,
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sometimes there is a complete explanation of the
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repressed unconscious, you can
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find a very convenient way to ask
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the question, what do you consider the most incredible
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in that situation, what do you think you arrays
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will be when to me more if the patient
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falls into a trap and does not name
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what he is less likely to think about, then by doing this he
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almost always gives out the true situation. A
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very beautiful addition to this experience is
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often created for you in a patient
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suffering from obsessive-compulsive neurosis
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who has already been brought to an understanding
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of his symptoms. I have a new
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obsessive idea of ​​mine with him not
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from it immediately occurred to me that it could
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mean such and such, but no, this
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cannot be true, because
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otherwise the cops could not have it,
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of course, what he rejects with the help of
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justification for borrowed radiation
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is the true meaning of the new one began to
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pester to
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take for such a way to deceive the censorship,
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that is, as it were, some kind of
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alienation of the
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content of the statement, I do
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n’t want this kind of statement,
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but actually exactly the same to
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ask against,
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that is, I’m saying this, but this is not the top, yes it
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turns out, but this is not my thought and
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because my thought to me it
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will be unacceptable further this will unfold, but in
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essence, this me is, as
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it were, already divided into that part of my me
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that I am ready to recognize, this part of my
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me that I am not ready to recognize me
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here, here I am, and I am reality and I am
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pleasure, but
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this is the question if
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we consider in the case of schreiber, and
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when, for example, this thought came to him
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that it would be good to
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feel like a woman during a sexual act,
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and well, how would it be,
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but it has something to do with it, what
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is it, what did they wear, turned it away,
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although no, but with Freud there is work or
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I don’t remember exactly what it’s called:
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advancement of reality in psychosis, which is not the enemy,
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different mechanisms begin to work in
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principle, yes there if that breaks through
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because it was like a state of sleep,
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practically yes this structure was
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weakened, so he seemed to notice this
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thought before starting what to do next, he is, in
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principle, unable to accept his own and
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in fact, he
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creates a whole frame for it, that is, he
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rebuilds a whole new world so that this
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thought, as signed, so that it is mute
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and so that its card and this desire are
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satisfied, but how the desire of another
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turns out in psychosis is it will trigger
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delirium, but in neurosis it will simply be,
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well, like denial until the night, but this is not what I
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thought,
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therefore the content of a repressed
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idea or thought can penetrate into
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consciousness, provided that denying
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denial is a way to
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get to know the repressed entity; this is
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already elimination by repression, but of course
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not yet acceptance of the wall, we see how
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here the intellectual function
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is separated from the effective process with
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the help of negation, only
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one consequence of the repression process is annulled,
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which is that the content of
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ideas is not achieved, knowledge
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follows from this, a kind of
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intellectual acceptance of the repressed
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while maintaining the repression is essentially
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analytical work, we often
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create another very important, very
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surprising change in the same situation,
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we also manage to overcome denial and
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achieve complete intellectual
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acceptance of the repressed, but this does
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not eliminate the process of repression itself,
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it turns out where he wrote about what is
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unconscious, in my opinion, that the
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analyst has him if he his
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interpretation, then he must hold it well, as it were,
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and concepts, as it were, to hear
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here now these are different things, reading
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about this reminded me of it, it seems to me that this is
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actually
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so to speak, but this is
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the history of the formation of psychoanalysis, that is,
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in fact,
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but as it were, and not like when you arrive and
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apply hypnosis and there was a rollback of the optical
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method that was not used, that is,
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well, we get directly to
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the unconscious, this content of
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some thoughts to the one he needs, but if
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we then tell the patient that experience in
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this, that if he was not ready to accept
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it, then he will not accept and Freud, and
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at first, also in analysis, think, well, okay,
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I’ll tell you what the reason is and how
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great we were cured, but the ceiling
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understands that until then we must first
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wait so that the person himself is ready for
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this thought, they want to build their psyche until
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otherwise it’s easy to fuel.
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intellectual acceptance, it’s
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really not difficult, it’s just that it gives, well, but
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it really doesn’t
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give anything at all, but well, maybe it does
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n’t give such a final
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result, but maybe it doesn’t matter, but how
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can it start some kind of process that
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somehow it will appear in physical
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reality already and or or Lily don’t laugh I
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don’t know how well this is, well, how much of a
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normal analogy it
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seems to me it’s about the same as well, I don’t
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know if you read Dostoevsky there, you read the
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cul of Dostoevsky to embroider
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it, I read it, so what and then 20 years
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later, maybe it dawned on you and that is,
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it’s clear that because when there is
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work, it’s again edging, it will work
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and why it will work because this
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time for this thought has already come to the end
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time and it can already, that is, well,
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probably some kind of interpretation it
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can give something
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so you need
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because the task of the function of
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intellectual judgment is to
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affirm or deny the content of
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thoughts
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the above remarks lead us to the
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psychological origin of this
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function denies something judgment
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means it is something that I
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would most like to repress judgment
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insert intellectual replacement
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of repression of the word no its distinctive
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feature specificity you origin
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similar to my information
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through a symbol description and that is not
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exempt from restrictions for
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embossing to be enriched with content from
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which you cannot block
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so the task of the function of intellectual
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drying is not to bother the statement or the thoughts ourselves with
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friends
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from this we come to psychologically,
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that is, further we just move on,
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it seems to me that this is not why the moment of this
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entertainment is when I am
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pleasure and I am reality for
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the enjoyment
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of pleasure,
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so the structure of our self, which strives
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in judgment, has only these pleasant
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things, that is, we
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remove, as it were, from sight everything that is
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unpleasant to us priest
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I of reality is something that will already
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deal with
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intellectual judgment and that is, something
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that will introduce some unpleasant
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things
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accompanied by this denial,
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that is, due to this we can
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take this thought that is unpleasant for us
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if it is accompanied by this
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these are the kings,
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respectively, but here, in principle, it
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seems very interesting to me that
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the idea that repression is, well,
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such a primary mechanism of division into
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which allows the principle of
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contentment and dissatisfaction to be implemented,
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yes, keep in mind that usually repression
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is voiced in the vein in the context and outside the mouth
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we repress something Yes, here it turns out that
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repression is like this, but these are not the first in
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the work, it turns out that repression itself is a
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mechanism that allows the
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principle of dissatisfaction to exist, that is, this
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separation is good, it brings
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pleasure, I take it, but what doesn’t
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bring me pleasure, I ignore it,
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this is a very interesting idea,
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but at the same time, what interesting again,
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denial actually does not mean
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deletion but does not mean disappearance,
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embossing just writes that this
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intellectual acceptance has supplanted
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the press, they have their own, that is, it exists, that
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is, we introduce this intellectual
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function that does not eliminate the initial
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deduction,
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but gives us the opportunity to operate with
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such the spirit anime from which
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thinking cannot enter into its work, that
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is, it seems to me that this
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actually turns out to be an idea that, again,
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between the principles of pleasure and the principle of
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reality there is no cabe clear boundary such as a
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smooth transition between
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embossing and description, that is, they do not have
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any differences that allow Paris
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here we first we are guided by
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repression and then we move from the
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intellectual functions of negation and
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repression thereby eliminating our
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judgment they well in fact it seems to me that
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this is what he just said about
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secondary nationalization we can give this
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intellectual reasoning
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but at the same time they will be justified by
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our reluctance to recognize that is, these are
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not things that can be
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opposed; the
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essence and function of condemnation must
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make two decisions; it must
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confirm or reject the presence of a certain
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thing in a certain quality; and it
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must accept or dispute the
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existence of what is
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in reality the
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properties regarding which a
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decision must be made initially could
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be good or bad useful or
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harmful being amazed in the language of the most ancient
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oral impulses of drives I want to
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eat this or I want this you don’t care more
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sends the purpose of this I want to introduce this into myself
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and exclude this from myself that is, this
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must be in me or in her to me the
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original enjoyer I desires
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as shown by me elsewhere
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introjection good and discard go
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further bad bad alien I who
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are outside began to him identically the
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last
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incomprehensibly
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often hour 17
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the function of condemnation must make a decision
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that is, firstly we explain with the help of a step
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have what quality to grab because
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she is in fact good bad and
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in fact I want to project or I
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want to spit it out I want to create for
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her to exist and for it to be me or
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for her not to exist
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and for the second moment it did
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n’t come here dear swear in Russia and the
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bad breast is glad
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yes, here is the second moment here the
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function of the cube of reality appears, yes, that is, do you recognize the
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existence of
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what is a representation in reality,
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we have an idea, but to what extent does this
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representation correspond to reality,
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that is, as soon as we
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introduce the discussion,
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as it were, the presence of both good and bad, they are so
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good means judgment, so to
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speak, representation is, if bad is
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in my opinion, displacing if we
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accept the discussion and good is bad,
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then this gives us the opportunity to take the
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next step and
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find out if this is something that is in
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our idea, it exists in
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reality,
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and
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in fact, Freud has it in the same
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in this, in my opinion, tons of either in
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the paint
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involving the fact and more, here the position of the
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two principles of a mental event
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is at this moment of transition between
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this one, the first one, as it were,
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take the word stage, yes, when we
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have only repression and only
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the principle of pleasure when there is either I
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or everything else doesn’t interest me, that
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is, in fact, that’s what my loves and,
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in short, is aimed at I, and
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accordingly there is, well, conditionally, he
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separates love and
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there is no involvement, he separates
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love and indifference, yes, that is,
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either well, no matter what I or no matter what, that
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is there is no letter, or
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this one goes on with the appearance of
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this judgment, it gradually
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appears when
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an object itself appears that has some property
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or quality of good or bad, but in
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love the opposite of
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indifference appears, hatred until either there is
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something good and it is like if
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something bad is projected to them or to her, it
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is rejected, and in fact, the
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differences between the outside world will be good and
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bad,
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and here, as was the case in this
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paragraph, the transition to the next stage, that
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is, if there is some
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object in reality about which I must
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make a
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decision is he good or bad,
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but here differences already appear:
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I’m not good, but the rest is bad, that it’s
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real or that it’s unreal, something is
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real or only, as it were, subjective, that
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is, it is only in my
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imagination, or something is also an
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obligation,
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that is, new to really put
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this resolution in relation to
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Eugene, we all ask him to confuse him,
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to give in,
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no, if only the
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last couple of sentences are
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officially reasoning, this wishes to be
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shown in exactly such a place to unify
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all the good ones, throw away all the bad things, and
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I am a real hell to begin the inheritance as it is
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not identical, it is not clear, but it seems to me
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it’s
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just,
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well, it’s just according to and
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on your own look at page
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6 diligently of the microsemi company I say
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minus
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you but how would this life pressure
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you have this footnote what look and
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eat the sock and well there is it
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now
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from
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here it seems to me this one it is carefully
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described in detail to explain the tarik,
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my page is not specified,
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I can open it for him, well, where can
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you find it, you can find this suit by searching,
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well, we love you, don’t tell me how many approximately
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pages of the beginning, maybe
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about a hundred and six,
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or but I pierced the agr from the beginning of the attraction of
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their fate and but if you open it,
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it’s a lot only at the end
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of the end
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[music]
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but there is, for example, a paragraph that,
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starting with you, love, hate, which
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seems to be filled with material minutes of
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opposites when
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reading this stick,
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love and mercy
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to me, but how is the relationship to an object,
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other love happens no,
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well, actually this one end 107 jump off
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and we need the page 6 for everyone the
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prisoner with dots just
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begins with the words I the subject connects
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with pleasure the outside world with
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displeasure with the previous indifference
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the appearance of an object at the stage of primary
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Nazism is formed 2 opposite
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stupa hatred before that we had as
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if I and everything
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according to the falsity of love,
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focus on oneself and
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indifference, and when we have
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an object, that is, according to their relationship with the outside
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world,
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respectively, everything that brings
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pleasure, it becomes
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infected, yes and but, as it were, that is, I,
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accordingly, what is not me but bad,
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let’s write down everything that is in me this is
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something bad but it
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can cause heard at the beginning the object is transferred
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from the external world by the drives of
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self-preservation and one cannot but agree
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that the original meaning of hatred
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means a relationship with an outsider, the
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delivering one can live and
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the indifference that arose first as the
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forerunners of hatred constitutes the stimuli to the external world and antipathy
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is a special case of an
00:24:49
external object hated at the very beginning
00:24:52
were identical if later the object
00:24:55
turns out to be a source of pleasure
00:24:56
becomes loved but at the same time
00:24:58
I joins therefore for the rectification of
00:25:01
Ravan into the enjoyer I the object
00:25:04
again coincides with being alien and hated
00:25:20
for this super polarity of pleasure and
00:25:22
displeasure quality
00:25:26
incomprehensible
00:25:29
sanyo
00:25:53
denial cashless
00:25:58
microphone turned off
00:26:01
another notification of the function of judgment
00:26:04
decisions about the real existence of the
00:26:07
inserted thing is a matter of the
00:26:10
finite real I who are knocked
00:26:13
out of the original enjoying the 8th
00:26:15
check of the series we are no
00:26:17
longer talking about whether it should, or rather
00:26:21
should or not, that the thing you accepted
00:26:24
should be accepted in I mean, something that
00:26:27
exists in the I as a representation can be
00:26:30
found again in the perception of reality,
00:26:33
as we see, this is again a question of external and
00:26:35
internal
00:26:36
unreal simply presented
00:26:39
subjective exists only inside the
00:26:41
other really exists also outside
00:26:44
such development taking into account the principle of
00:26:46
pleasure was pushed
00:26:49
aside experience learned what is important not
00:26:51
only do you have a thing objects of
00:26:53
vision with a good property,
00:26:55
does it deserve to be taken away from Ilya, but
00:26:59
it is not present in the external world
00:27:02
and therefore is it possible to take possession of an idea
00:27:05
if necessary, in order to understand this
00:27:09
development we need to remember that let's
00:27:12
establish
00:27:20
that is, the first question we had was okay
00:27:23
whether it’s bad tasty tasteless I don’t want it like that and
00:27:27
my role exists it’s not in reality
00:27:31
and here accordingly he already you come
00:27:34
just
00:27:35
real and real
00:27:42
the admission is not happening well, as if
00:27:47
I thought that just singing it’s
00:28:17
interesting by the way what’s in and
00:28:21
what’s subjective is simply presented
00:28:24
to name and unreal
00:28:27
and now I’m not interested in how
00:28:29
my relationship with myself changes,
00:28:32
and then I begin to accept the
00:28:34
unreal
00:28:36
content and begin to understand what are
00:28:38
really
00:28:40
ideal, that they are on fire, they are real and
00:28:43
that, for example, that I am
00:28:53
real, like now this is reality, well,
00:28:55
objective reality
00:28:57
[music ]
00:28:59
but forgive me, it seems to me that there must
00:29:02
be some kind of grandiose love spell, maybe
00:29:04
before this, initially the gender is the opposite, that
00:29:07
is, but as if on the contrary, the
00:29:09
dream of the question of reality is not posed, but
00:29:13
accordingly, by default, the content of
00:29:16
my ideas was to see
00:29:17
reality, well, yes, you get that it’s as
00:29:20
if the real world like us on earth
00:29:22
simply didn’t exist,
00:29:25
but accordingly, when
00:29:27
the idea of ​​the real world appears, there will be
00:29:29
therefore the sentence turns out that what is
00:29:31
inside me turns out to be unreal
00:29:35
the formulation is urgently interesting
00:29:41
1
00:29:42
yes it’s very interesting
00:30:05
and accordingly this reality can be
00:30:07
taken through
00:30:10
whether representation to be
00:30:13
found again in perception,
00:30:19
as it were, an important point again,
00:30:29
in order to understand this development, we need to
00:30:31
remember that all representations
00:30:33
come from perceptions are their
00:30:35
repetitions, how initially the
00:30:38
very existence of representation is a
00:30:41
guarantee of reality, I will imagine the
00:30:43
contradiction between the subjective and the
00:30:45
objective does not exist from the very beginning,
00:30:48
it arises only a consequence of the fact that
00:30:51
thinking has the ability to animate a
00:30:54
representation through
00:30:57
reproduction is that when it has been
00:30:59
perceived, although the object may no longer
00:31:02
exist in me,
00:31:03
therefore the first immediate goal of
00:31:06
testing reality is not to
00:31:08
find in real perception an object
00:31:10
corresponding to the represented one
00:31:13
in order to find it again make sure that it
00:31:16
still exists, another contribution to the
00:31:19
separation of the subjective and objective
00:31:21
comes from the other and the ability of
00:31:24
thinking,
00:31:25
the reproduction of perception, the representation
00:31:28
is not always its exact repetition,
00:31:31
it can be modified by omissions
00:31:34
of the name of us by the influence of various elements,
00:31:37
in which case reality testing must
00:31:39
control how far these go
00:31:42
distortions, at the same time, the conditions for
00:31:45
putting reality testing into effect
00:31:48
are recognizing that the objects that when
00:31:50
I brought them satisfaction from the
00:31:52
loss and
00:31:54
well, there are at least three
00:31:55
important things not bones, yes, I agree, let’s what
00:32:00
kind of transfer are important only,
00:32:04
well, probably what we are always dealing with a
00:32:08
strong psychic reality, they are
00:32:10
really the reality of
00:32:19
this at first, this is the gentleman,
00:32:28
well, then he talks about exactly the fact
00:32:32
that they are not in
00:32:36
order to find pliko in real perception
00:32:39
in order to find him again, as I
00:32:41
understand it, the fire is right, you are talking about the loss of the
00:32:44
primary of an object which will be like
00:32:50
setting a shortage and a
00:32:53
new object in its place
00:32:56
seems to me to be a principle, but this is again about
00:32:59
how to say the philosophical question of where
00:33:02
the perception of
00:33:04
reality as we come from and where we come from and 3
00:33:08
if it is only in our thinking whether it
00:33:11
has wheels that it is hidden on
00:33:14
at this level, these we have passed is not
00:33:17
specified, but in fact he says
00:33:18
because if we have some kind of
00:33:20
idea,
00:33:22
then it means that it corresponds to something in reality, it corresponds to
00:33:25
reaching 38 from somewhere before,
00:33:29
respectively,
00:33:30
passed reality and
00:33:33
psychic reality, this is not, well,
00:33:37
not the question is there, who knows where the
00:33:40
fantasies came from, let’s say the doctor has no
00:33:42
correspondence with the blue ones, that is, something
00:33:44
was originally real in any way, everything
00:33:47
that our head has, but
00:33:51
it is presented as it is in our country,
00:33:54
purely subjectively, it’s like this drink
00:33:56
thing-in-itself, so it’s
00:34:01
not effective in any way presented by
00:34:05
milfs thoughts that
00:34:08
there for example I see a pen
00:34:12
I will see it in one you see differently
00:34:15
take 3
00:34:22
or am I mistaken I understand something wrong
00:34:25
yes no I have
00:34:45
accordingly here we have a
00:34:47
reality check 1 the purpose of a reality check
00:34:50
is in order to again find this
00:34:53
representation in reality,
00:34:55
that is, to look at our
00:34:57
representation corresponding to something
00:35:14
because
00:35:16
Google is, as it were, on one side,
00:35:20
but we are actually talking about 2
00:35:23
abilities of our thinking, on the one
00:35:26
hand,
00:35:27
the ability to revive in the representation something that
00:35:31
was perceived somewhere there is
00:35:32
memory, yes, that
00:35:33
is, we have memory, so
00:35:36
our idea may not
00:35:38
correspond to anything in reality, and
00:35:40
this is the first function of checking
00:35:44
for reality, that what our
00:35:49
perception exists is only our
00:35:51
memory will still be in reality, and the second
00:35:54
point is that
00:35:57
our thinking is not always accurate
00:36:01
she repeats that it can modify that it is
00:36:02
modify the representation
00:36:05
accordingly on top of reality,
00:36:07
it controls quite how much
00:36:11
our representation
00:36:13
coincides with reality in the sense of
00:36:15
how much we have modified them,
00:36:18
distorted everything, mixed it up, or something
00:36:21
else,
00:36:24
and accordingly another cool
00:36:25
moment, it seems to me that a
00:36:27
condition for introducing
00:36:29
reality testing it is recognized that
00:36:31
objects that once brought
00:36:33
real satisfaction are lost,
00:36:38
that is, while we all do not address their reality, that
00:36:49
is, in short, as long as we have an
00:36:51
object of satisfaction, it does not matter to us whether it
00:36:54
corresponds to something in reality, does not
00:36:55
correspond to something of influence, then there
00:36:57
is, in order to address reality, we
00:36:59
need the object to be lost, it
00:37:02
seems to me the classic,
00:37:26
respectively, if we
00:37:28
summarize the last two paragraphs a little,
00:37:30
here we have the function of judgment
00:37:34
to which to speak, firstly,
00:37:38
it turns out that a
00:37:43
good thing is not bad
00:37:48
it is in reality people exist
00:37:57
I stitch on some game if you got into these
00:37:59
fantasies
00:38:03
vodka there is also right here an object
00:38:06
that needs to be found for but this is the mother’s
00:38:08
breast what is it like finding an object
00:38:11
goodies turned it well
00:38:19
yes about castration as I understand it and even then
00:38:21
since spring
00:38:24
I apologize for the noise
00:38:38
how can you tell me about castration dad
00:38:41
then tell me svirid
00:38:50
well and even then if we are
00:38:53
well like for example it’s good if this
00:38:56
object is the mother’s breast if we before
00:38:59
the order the situation happened we lost
00:39:01
this group on the mental representation we
00:39:03
are trying to find this place but you are right
00:39:08
it gives here this is a constant movement,
00:39:11
you can’t lose her,
00:39:16
well, it would be good, but there is no, for
00:39:19
example, a forty-year-old guy who
00:39:22
still doesn’t suckle the breast, well, as if not for
00:39:26
everyone, but as I understand it,
00:39:28
well, it’s represented mentally, let’s
00:39:31
then not let this happen,
00:39:36
or is she always
00:39:39
4 in At this point, I’m confused whether it’s always
00:39:42
represented in the mental, what but about
00:39:47
and whether this is the
00:39:48
loss of the primary object that always happens,
00:39:51
well, there may be no autists, well,
00:39:55
that is, again, the loss of the object
00:40:00
is a condition for the fact that we turn
00:40:03
to reality,
00:40:05
that is, to generally
00:40:07
question the reality needs the loss of an
00:40:09
object,
00:40:12
that is, if we seem to have an object before a
00:40:15
conditional one, but again a conditional object
00:40:17
because if we have an object there is no
00:40:20
question of reality there and this object is, as
00:40:22
it were, projected onto it, yes, we don’t have an
00:40:24
object from the teachings,
00:40:26
we don’t ask the question of reality that
00:40:29
is, we are not interested in what is outside, we have
00:40:30
such a wide range,
00:40:33
this is how autistic subjects, as I
00:40:35
understand it, yes they have,
00:40:37
well, the rest should be with neurotics more
00:40:40
clear with psycho glasses pervert ami, well,
00:40:43
no one and only no, well, if they have
00:40:46
the principle of reality, then they have there is a
00:40:48
marriage object
00:40:50
Novakovsky there is an object up to
00:40:58
psychotic and sometimes
00:41:00
there is no principle of reality but 030
00:41:04
but again it seems to me that this is some kind of
00:41:07
secondary question, well, how to
00:41:10
give a rejection of reality, at least this
00:41:13
suggests that it has become so
00:41:16
unbearable in reality Yes, what did
00:41:19
we look like there and took away from her
00:41:23
when it turns out it’s dismantling
00:41:25
secondary narcissism,
00:41:28
which means it’s primary then it
00:41:31
develops about this
00:41:38
further we go let’s
00:41:41
judge this is an intellectual act
00:41:44
thanks to which the decision to
00:41:47
choose a motor is removed, otherwise it stops the
00:41:51
delay created by thinking and
00:41:53
translates thinking into action about the
00:41:57
delay created by thinking I and also
00:41:59
he spoke the mind is
00:42:05
it should be considered as a trial
00:42:08
action motor probed they with it at
00:42:11
significant costs allotted n.s.
00:42:14
let us remember where I undertook such
00:42:17
probing in clothes, where
00:42:19
the technique was mastered, which is now used in
00:42:21
the processes of thinking; this happened at the
00:42:24
sensory end of the mental apparatus
00:42:27
when perceiving with the help of the senses;
00:42:30
because, according to our hypothesis, perception
00:42:33
is not a purely passive process; I
00:42:36
periodically send small
00:42:37
amounts of cathexis into the system
00:42:39
perceptions
00:42:40
through which it tastes
00:42:43
external stimuli so that after rolling
00:42:46
such a resonating mating it will retreat back
00:42:50
to you, that is,
00:42:57
we have thinking
00:43:00
that gives us a certain delay and
00:43:02
judgment is the intellectual act
00:43:05
that
00:43:07
completes this delay and makes a
00:43:10
decision on the choice of motor and even
00:43:14
brings thinking into action
00:43:19
by the way, dark osmanovich later polski
00:43:41
probing
00:43:44
how the residents of
00:43:49
the association are tasting,
00:43:52
it seems he, in principle, also has it
00:43:55
associatively, that he often writes about
00:43:57
all sorts of important things, but glasses and always the body
00:43:59
that a primitive creature
00:44:02
exercises the rights of reality, well,
00:44:05
in fact, this can be said about what we are talking about
00:44:07
because well, initially
00:44:10
it’s like an outer shell, she
00:44:14
says a
00:44:16
word, you’ll see the whole chapter,
00:44:19
but how does it become such a
00:44:24
shell, then it begins with it,
00:44:29
sense organs appear that
00:44:32
perceive exactly a specific
00:44:34
part of the external world, and if there was already
00:44:38
approximately the same speech goes on another
00:44:40
level,
00:44:42
that is, the time means that perception is both
00:44:46
convenient and action, but here it’s exactly the same as
00:44:47
condemnation, but there was also thinking. this is a
00:44:51
trial action,
00:44:53
probing, that is, we could
00:44:56
just go ahead every time, yes, but if we
00:44:59
first think there and with 5 less
00:45:02
energy then select the desired motor
00:45:05
act,
00:45:19
but accordingly, yes, just like
00:45:21
perception, the
00:45:25
same trial act requires exactly the
00:45:27
expenditure of energy to the point of being unbearable the process is
00:45:30
exactly the same as judgment or thinking, it is
00:45:33
also such an expenditure of energy, but less than
00:45:37
there is directly dreary action
00:45:44
means calculated that you think easier than the
00:45:46
tankers
00:46:00
killed, are there any
00:46:03
other children
00:46:08
there?
00:46:24
the impulse of the shoulders
00:46:27
by judgment represents the
00:46:29
expediency and further development of
00:46:31
the inclusion in the self of the originally followed
00:46:35
principle of pleasure or the pushing out
00:46:37
of the self
00:46:40
its polarity apparently
00:46:42
corresponds to the opposition of the two
00:46:44
groups of drives we assume the
00:46:58
negativism of some psychotics
00:47:00
should probably be understood as a sign of
00:47:03
stratification of the drive to quote the withdrawal of
00:47:05
venous components, but the fulfillment of the function
00:47:09
of judgment becomes possible only
00:47:11
due to the fact that the creation of a symbol
00:47:14
by negation allowed our corruption to
00:47:17
gain the first degree of independence
00:47:20
from the results of repression and at the same time
00:47:23
also blamed this on the pleasure principle.
00:47:31
the proposal is not very clear that
00:47:33
in general contentment to deny the
00:47:34
negativism of some psychotic of
00:47:36
should probably be understood as a sign of
00:47:38
stratification in treatment as a result of they
00:47:40
achieving the image of different components
00:47:46
but a destructive attraction yes but in my
00:47:50
opinion I will go in principle usually such
00:47:56
treatment is
00:47:58
practically by including they act
00:48:00
together
00:48:02
destructive the attraction of the movement of death is
00:48:04
correct but destructive in principle in
00:48:07
the broad sense of it, destructive
00:48:10
that is, but again with clouds if left
00:48:12
overboard, here we have, as it were,
00:48:14
destructive accusations with everyone, and
00:48:17
if this is an attraction that is an
00:48:19
instinctive attraction, then it is but campo
00:48:22
it is also connected with pleasure sort of,
00:48:28
that is, general pleasure from denial
00:48:32
can be understood as a sign of stratification
00:48:34
of drives, that is, does the kind of destructive drive go away from us? The
00:48:39
student remains, accordingly, and doesn’t know, goes away
00:48:42
in children, for example, it’s
00:48:45
anyone there to destroy that he loves very
00:48:48
much, yes, this, you can say
00:48:51
that this is for sure it’s dark and the reason
00:48:53
is why denial denial of
00:48:56
destructive treatments that I can’t
00:48:58
connect this I kind of
00:48:59
understand the falsity of the Apchi how it connects they couldn’t,
00:49:11
but the previous couple of sentences
00:49:15
on this judgment represents its well, in
00:49:17
short, where to carry the work the judgment
00:49:21
occurs and gives us the opportunity to
00:49:24
trace the origin of
00:49:26
intellectual functions from the
00:49:27
interaction of habitual impulses of
00:49:29
treatment, so we now move on to her
00:49:31
fascination
00:49:40
polarity of thought polarity of judgment
00:49:43
means yes no
00:49:45
descriptions corresponds to the opposition of the
00:49:49
two probably supposed groups of
00:49:50
treatments
00:49:51
again
00:49:53
growth on then with this is what is good this I
00:49:58
this unity
00:49:59
thanatos this is destructive yes this is not this is
00:50:02
bad and I will break it down,
00:50:04
and accordingly, we have
00:50:06
the pleasure of getting to the point of not just
00:50:08
effective training, we also have this,
00:50:12
but the transition is really interesting,
00:50:14
by the way, from the fact that first we have
00:50:16
a simple one and
00:50:18
this is what we understand and then a swoop like this,
00:50:49
so send
00:50:54
it this last sentence is what
00:50:57
exactly, if we add this part and
00:50:59
the particle is not there,
00:51:02
then the
00:51:04
repressed yes can break through
00:51:08
from the outside
00:51:11
is possible only due to the fact that the
00:51:14
creation of a symbol of negation is allowed
00:51:16
thinking of almost 1 degree of dependence,
00:51:19
opinion, at the same time, also tickets from
00:51:21
buttons,
00:51:37
on the one hand we have an attraction
00:51:39
which are involved in this judgment in
00:51:43
any case, that is, if for some reason
00:51:45
we say yes, it means something pleasant,
00:51:47
if we say no, then the destructive
00:51:51
drive can also be involved in this,
00:51:53
and denial also
00:51:55
gives us pleasure,
00:51:57
but on the other hand, again, fulfilling
00:52:01
the function the judgment becomes possible
00:52:05
due to the fact that the state of description
00:52:09
allowed thinking to acquire independent 1
00:52:12
glass of dependence on the results with them
00:52:14
in the sense of, in principle, introducing some kind of
00:52:16
unpleasant idea,
00:52:19
but it is interesting then that is, first we have
00:52:21
this intellectual
00:52:22
function and then a destructive
00:52:25
attraction either to or
00:52:31
or at the same time this
00:52:34
intellectual function appears that
00:52:36
allows us to enter that this is the perception of
00:52:39
something unpleasant
00:52:40
and at this moment we
00:52:42
really have teachings.
00:53:09
Well, here we probably also need to think about
00:53:12
bride courses,
00:53:15
this is denial dear klein
00:53:29
but
00:53:30
I don’t seem to be very melanie klein maybe you can
00:53:33
tell
00:53:35
me this is so pure
00:53:39
bad breasts this is
00:53:41
first of all a leg for someone,
00:53:44
in short, I wanted to say that if
00:53:46
there are bad breasts then this is already well,
00:53:48
as if in fact, jumping is already
00:53:51
the moment when we already have the
00:53:54
opportunity
00:53:56
to introduce unpleasant
00:53:59
[ music]
00:54:00
representation
00:54:02
means we should already have an idea, there should
00:54:06
already
00:54:08
be a possibility of creating a simulation of
00:54:10
negation,
00:54:12
that is, it seems to me that this nonsense is some
00:54:14
interesting point, that for the manufacturer the
00:54:17
actual function it precedes,
00:54:20
not that now it is a condition for
00:54:23
the emergence of the image of purchase 2, well, yes
00:54:26
you get if,
00:54:28
well, in order to say good you need a
00:54:31
judgment of
00:54:33
condemnation for the intellectual function of
00:54:35
that side and the ball from here we have we
00:54:38
have condemnation we have repression
00:54:44
that is, if we are talking about
00:54:45
the unconscious we have here and this is the
00:54:48
intellectual point we have
00:54:49
repression good and what and how do we know
00:54:52
what to repress?
00:54:56
Further, we are
00:54:57
not just talking about knowledge,
00:54:59
consciousness, but yes, well, that is, if we
00:55:03
repress something, then we do it
00:55:05
unconsciously; the
00:55:07
function is exactly what allows us to
00:55:09
carry on with me,
00:55:10
so we may have bad breasts
00:55:12
without negation,
00:55:15
essentially
00:55:19
effective, that is,
00:55:22
they screwed it up
00:55:23
[laughter]
00:55:27
and the value of this salvation, taken
00:55:31
with such an understanding of negation, is quite
00:55:34
consistent with the fact
00:55:35
that during analysis we do not find the no
00:55:38
unconscious and that the recognition
00:55:41
of the unconscious on the part of the I is expressed
00:55:43
in negative formulations there is no more
00:55:46
compelling evidence of success after all
00:55:47
unconscious than the reaction to
00:55:49
it the person being analyzed sees
00:55:54
himself in the analysis for me
00:55:57
it never went well
00:56:11
because he understands in the end we don’t find it does
00:56:13
n’t achieve means
00:56:20
no no everything everything well, like
00:56:26
if you’re at the bottom then but you won’t know
00:56:29
but why is it like that if the symbol would also
00:56:42
blow somehow I don’t know and in my opinion with
00:56:44
what kind of robot from the unconscious, yes, here
00:56:45
we are and how we read it in the first year then
00:56:48
before writing the first works, well, something like that
00:56:50
a priori and realized that but did they write
00:56:52
to me it’s of no use no
00:56:56
good image of a
00:57:00
diesel engine why no unconsciously no
00:57:04
poison essentially we are talking about
00:57:07
well the meaning of this entire article, that is,
00:57:10
denial is an
00:57:12
operator of some kind who is already using
00:57:14
consciousness to introduce some idea before
00:57:17
denying it, that is, in
00:57:21
the unconscious there is the content of the idea but
00:57:24
this is also somehow a lot this is not my
00:57:25
mother my mother she is already there
00:57:28
unconsciously yes that is, as if
00:57:29
denial no unconscious because
00:57:31
denial this well as if something yes that is
00:57:33
we cannot be
00:57:37
because you know more it consists of this
00:57:39
these ideas inside so far 83
00:57:45
here's how to give and how to give pictures everything and
00:57:47
then we have 3 about further
00:57:50
this option we don't find no
00:57:52
unconscious and then comes the recognition
00:57:55
of the unconscious from the outside I are
00:57:56
expressed in negative formulations
00:58:13
and
00:58:28
what's this footnote here propaganda
00:58:31
Christmas was there I don’t remember almost
00:58:33
all the sweets Konstantin back in the
00:58:35
twenty-third year the note was
00:58:37
added added 7 hours goro but I don’t
00:58:39
immediately remember what kind of note there is
00:58:42
on 23
00:58:47
but in principle this is the idea why we don’t
00:58:50
find food unconscious recognition
00:58:52
unconscious from the side I express myself in a
00:58:53
negative way,
00:59:11
hello,
00:59:13
probably because it was something
00:59:16
moaning, not a pleasant languor, it was repressed, it seems to be
00:59:19
there,
00:59:21
but
00:59:26
we repressed it and do not indulge, it
00:59:30
seems to us that it does not exist, so when
00:59:33
we project this consciousness, we seem to
00:59:37
deny it, that is, it it’s not about us it’s
00:59:40
a little bit not about this gene of sharper
00:59:44
proof of
00:59:46
luck reaction repair of this I didn’t think
00:59:52
recognition unconsciously
00:59:56
then it means I didn’t understand what the question was about,
01:00:00
principle and the meaning of the latter is obligatory
01:00:23
and what can you say
01:00:35
[music]
01:00:39
well, maybe it makes sense that
01:00:41
when I’m saying that I didn’t think about it,
01:00:48
but no matter how consciously you can’t admit it,
01:00:52
but it’s there somewhere, but you can’t, I can’t
01:01:00
bones, you’re the simplest instead of purely
01:01:02
Czechs, it
01:01:04
seems to me that this is the simplest instead of
01:01:06
Russian articles, in principle,
01:01:20
you’re like this is exactly what is going on this is exactly this
01:01:22
a3 denial about which I talked about the whole
01:01:24
article
01:01:27
that
01:01:31
but how he starts this that this is not my
01:01:33
mother this is the same thing that I didn’t
01:01:35
think of this from the same series
01:01:41
but look it’s important time that you are in
01:01:44
the analysis that you often fly out that I
01:01:46
never thought about this, this is denial, the
01:02:09
difference between the unconscious, more precisely
01:02:13
between and but then it would be I
01:02:16
never thought about it, that is, but as if I was
01:02:19
just an organized part of our
01:02:23
psyche before which I never
01:02:25
thought about it in the sense that I never I didn’t
01:02:27
introduce this content until the process was brought together with
01:02:30
these, but unconsciously there, well, yes,
01:02:33
I
01:02:35
thought, well, yes,
01:02:38
well, recognition unconsciously
01:02:41
seems to me that analytical work is, in
01:02:44
principle, excluded
01:02:46
when a person is like that,
01:03:04
so what if someone doesn’t want to, for example,
01:03:07
now somehow
01:03:08
summarize the text,
01:03:28
well saturating the text with something purer than
01:03:31
good, it
01:03:35
seems to me that the speech of something is that we
01:03:38
have, as it were, the principle of pleasure, the principle of
01:03:41
reality, we have a simple action
01:03:44
of repression when we simply don’t have it,
01:03:47
and the principle of reality, which forces
01:03:49
us to deal with what we
01:03:53
put aside with the principle of reality
01:03:56
the principle of pleasure and with
01:04:00
walking in the imagination of some things
01:04:02
that may be unpleasant for us, but
01:04:05
in order to somehow cope with these things
01:04:06
we use this operator not before or
01:04:10
negation, which allows us to
01:04:13
smoothly move from
01:04:15
pleasure to the principle of reality and
01:04:17
something to
01:04:18
continue the principle of reality to subordinate the
01:04:20
principle to pleasure is a poor quality
01:04:21
sign, therefore,
01:04:25
but on the other hand, what I’m saying is
01:04:27
some kind of specific thing, it seems to me from
01:04:30
the text, no,
01:04:35
that is, because we are displacing our
01:04:37
thinking process, it is very impoverished, as
01:04:40
if it turns out to be a
01:04:46
logical operator, this is what for the first time
01:04:48
allows us to think about things yes, well,
01:04:53
again,
01:04:57
well, just like this, the fuse was still very
01:05:00
full, this is the loss
01:05:03
of the object, well,
01:05:09
and this is exactly
01:05:10
where
01:05:12
it was about the intellectual function,
01:05:20
but the industry of the intellectual function,
01:05:25
this is even
01:05:27
interesting, a judgment is an intellectual
01:05:30
act, thanks to which the
01:05:32
choice of a motor act that
01:05:34
decides is understood deferment of what is created by thinking and
01:05:36
38 that not all and
01:05:51
but I don’t know me, for example, a little
01:05:53
thought arises to the side about
01:05:58
different
01:05:59
cultural ones, to say
01:06:03
the world in the worldview, that is, these are Western
01:06:06
actions of a person and the Eastern idea of ​​a
01:06:10
person you contemplate, but it
01:06:13
seems to me that in principle it is not interesting
01:06:15
how to conduct
01:06:20
but to build this in the context of the principle of
01:06:23
pleasure in the principle of reality
01:06:29
but these signatures
01:06:33
i.e.
01:06:50
that is, but
01:06:51
now I mean that judgment, yes, this is
01:06:56
again an intellectual act
01:06:57
that
01:06:58
completes our thinking and leads to the
01:07:04
transition to action, and if in Eastern
01:07:08
Eastern practices we reach such
01:07:11
thinking and even such a judgment that
01:07:14
tells us that by and large account
01:07:17
our our idea of ​​the object and the
01:07:22
desires and needs
01:07:25
they are as false further in fact
01:07:28
today we are in the
01:07:31
west which allows us to
01:07:34
continue to maintain an indifferent
01:07:35
attitude towards reality
01:07:37
apparently Freddy the
01:07:41
European subject hairstyle it is interesting to
01:07:45
trace
01:07:48
different worldviews like this
01:07:56
but what if but no one no
01:07:58
more comments there can
01:08:00
this be well
01:08:03
I don’t have
01:08:12
in a week what are you talking about in a
01:08:15
week
01:08:16
the question about village analysis and now
01:08:19
if you give me a second I’ll look at
01:08:21
the schedule
01:08:23
so
01:08:24
today 17
01:08:28
to 25 for the question of British analysis
01:08:32
okay then see you
01:08:36
very much goodbye thank you

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