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Russian
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statesman and politician00:00:03
Member of the European Parliament a five00:00:05
Hello again00:00:07
Good afternoon everyone00:00:09
speaking about our allies I would like00:00:11
start with a quote from the President of Lithuania00:00:14
gitanauseda which calls for the creation00:00:17
special tribunal of inquiry00:00:19
Russia's war crimes in Ukraine00:00:21
believes that there will be a long peace after00:00:23
current hot phase is only possible00:00:26
then when territorial integrity00:00:28
Ukraine will be completely restored00:00:31
called on the world to look at actions and not00:00:33
Kremlin statement and perception of Russia00:00:35
such What she is and not what she is00:00:38
depicts propaganda let's now00:00:40
let's listen00:00:44
today I encourage you all to look00:00:47
Look what's happening in Ukraine00:00:49
carefully who is the aggressor who is the victim for00:00:52
mask of an energy superpower00:00:54
a dangerous imperial power is lurking00:00:56
seeking to occupy and annex00:00:59
their neighbors looking for reasons for00:01:01
justifications for annexation rewriting history00:01:03
use of economic and00:01:06
energy blackmail spread00:01:08
disinformation and propaganda are cruel00:01:11
crimes and atrocities committed in00:01:13
time of war must not remain00:01:15
unpunished00:01:17
by allies I would just like to add00:01:19
it's not just those naturally great00:01:22
thanks a lot thanks to those00:01:24
allies who help00:01:26
weapons that help00:01:27
humanitarian sphere but allies are also00:01:30
promote the interests of their allies00:01:33
international platforms for example00:01:35
General Assembly he's like us just now00:01:37
saw for example this speech in00:01:40
in the European Parliament these are generally calls for00:01:42
politicians of different countries should pay attention00:01:44
and understand what is happening in Ukraine Lithuania00:01:47
as well as later in general as the Baltic countries as00:01:50
Poland, for example, is generally a long-time partner00:01:52
Ukraine ally and longtime lobbyist00:01:55
Ukraine's interests in particular in Europe00:01:57
Tell me what you think you are watching00:02:00
how Lithuania promotes, for example, interests00:02:03
Ukraine is still trying in the same way00:02:05
defend our country What do you think in00:02:09
Europe is now in the European Union if uh00:02:11
understanding in general what if democracy00:02:15
it's not worth it here then the next one00:02:17
Well, the Baltic countries could be next00:02:19
who are members of the European Union then00:02:21
Poland and then the Warsaw Pact in general00:02:23
Warsaw Pact countries can do anything00:02:25
fall before Russia00:02:29
you know, I would probably like to start with that00:02:31
that during the 22nd year of this year going00:02:34
back to the end00:02:36
of our existence We are in principle00:02:38
turned from partners of allies it00:02:41
probably a very correct definition00:02:43
affairs and this cooperation between us00:02:48
with many countries with new countries I00:02:51
I'm talking about the EU countries I'm talking about00:02:53
in NATO countries it is very important to emphasize this00:02:56
because you know, even looking at these00:02:59
footage of the president's visit00:03:01
Zelensky Washington I would say this00:03:04
two allies met and00:03:06
had a heart to heart talk in a good way00:03:08
these words are frankly friendly and00:03:12
this was very noticeable by the way00:03:15
during this visit and now00:03:19
essentially00:03:20
understand I think what is the concept that00:03:24
what Russia is and what00:03:28
aggression and war are now unleashed by it00:03:32
this is very important because this is war00:03:35
started with Ukraine But this is a war against00:03:39
Western values This is a war against I would00:03:44
I would say political components00:03:47
The West is simply a war against the West00:03:51
society just hasn't understood everything yet00:03:53
in the end it seems that you know there is some00:03:56
This is where the confusion started...00:03:59
we need to give something back to Russia She again00:04:03
will sit quietly for a while but this00:04:06
It’s a mistake because I’m already untied here00:04:09
I would say imperial Russian war00:04:13
which is justified by Russian ideology00:04:16
peace Yes, some kind of liberation00:04:18
which groups phases which phrases00:04:23
which I would say very00:04:26
today they are persistently sold in00:04:29
Russian society So what we have00:04:32
time is a zombie society which00:04:34
controlled by the top and it has00:04:38
certain goals goals you are correct00:04:40
they said00:04:42
aimed against the West So Ukraine00:04:46
costs 1 and Ukraine is fighting for the entire West00:04:51
therefore our duty is not our privilege00:04:54
duty to help Ukraine so much00:04:57
how necessary is it to achieve the overall00:05:00
victory00:05:02
I wanted to quote the words of your Colleague from00:05:05
whom I was able to communicate with during00:05:07
parliamentary session in Strasbourg00:05:09
address cube Fox and here among other things in00:05:11
in his interview he answered one of the00:05:14
questions about what exactly our00:05:16
the country of Ukraine defends its country00:05:19
brave showed everything professionally00:05:21
Europe that Putin is really weak and00:05:24
afraid of him it was a mistake policy before00:05:26
the beginning of the war, because Putin is not provoking00:05:28
our strength Putin was provoked by our strength00:05:30
And our weakness And this is what he has always been00:05:33
good at his threats and the threat00:05:34
were received, among other things, to your00:05:38
countries and to Poland, that is00:05:40
closest neighbors who have already00:05:41
faced the aggression of the then Soviet00:05:43
state, but then he said that00:05:46
then our hands were tied00:05:47
Energy dependence then he00:05:49
named figures that 40 to 7%00:05:52
Has this dependence decreased?00:05:55
Energy independence now00:05:57
gives Europe a free hand after all very often00:06:00
your colleagues and politicians say that there is00:06:03
there is also a nuclear threat that deters00:06:05
some countries have taken radical steps00:06:07
especially away from borders00:06:09
Russian Federation so Indeed00:06:12
Are our European allies ready and not00:06:17
respond to Putin's threats with a free hand00:06:21
on energy independence but not00:06:23
pay attention don't look back at him00:06:25
nuclear threats and what else is holding you back00:06:27
your colleagues00:06:30
you know, I would absolutely not do it00:06:35
energy dependence Yes it was00:06:38
a serious hook on which it hung00:06:41
a lot of politicians a lot of even strange00:06:45
European Union and it was very00:06:48
long-term I would say and even00:06:52
effective policy of the Kremlin Yes00:06:56
hold this one develop multiply00:06:58
create this independently00:07:02
corrupt environment because politicians00:07:05
bought Now we're all busy00:07:08
Qatar gate means this scandal00:07:12
Well, when did we hear about the Kremlin gate? Yes00:07:17
Russian When was this because00:07:21
This00:07:22
as they say influence Russian influence00:07:25
she was accepted as normal as00:07:28
normal process What is00:07:30
talk to the Russian ambassador00:07:32
which spills there every other day00:07:36
not by hatred of the West and so on, but by them00:07:39
it seemed like you knew00:07:40
a threat to Russia as if it were00:07:44
existed and many recognized But she00:07:46
as if such an individual is individual00:07:50
customized kinky baltic00:07:53
there's something here, we're arguing with them here00:07:57
something is going on with Poland00:07:59
dispute Yes but no00:08:03
from Austria none from Germany at all00:08:07
festival mood you know00:08:10
it gave the impression that00:08:14
Russia can negotiate us a little00:08:17
maybe offer something to console00:08:21
create some kind of appearance00:08:24
real solutions It was very dangerous00:08:27
It was very dangerous because Russia00:08:30
I always thought in this sense00:08:32
strategic Yes, she made her way forward00:08:35
and see even the creation00:08:38
construction00:08:39
nordstream 1 Stream 2 But that's all00:08:43
if so it evaluates that's what I would00:08:47
would say00:08:48
corruption scandal of centuries significance00:08:52
Yes, did anyone get hurt?00:08:56
my head flew off my shoulders, no00:09:00
and then walks around and has00:09:03
a certain influence he Dear00:09:05
politician Yes, former chancellor, what's that?00:09:09
talk big country So you know00:09:14
the concept is more and more00:09:18
I would say the beginning of aggression But what00:09:21
saw after the aggression in what way00:09:25
Russia00:09:26
prepares and destroys Ukraine and00:09:31
Ukrainian Da Bucha Terpen00:09:35
Now we see a different Mariupol and00:09:39
other places there are probably a lot of them00:09:41
dozens if not hundreds did something00:09:44
great impression on those who are still00:09:47
had some rosy hopes that00:09:50
you know, this is a risk, well, that’s a mistake00:09:53
was made about the beginning of aggression00:09:56
but here you know a soldier’s business, but here you don’t00:09:59
it's a soldier's business and here it's a crime00:10:02
a crime and in principle I would call00:10:05
social genocide against peaceful00:10:07
residents of the00:10:10
in the form and so on and it probably does00:10:14
uh00:10:16
Western politicians are already different00:10:20
presenting and listening to our00:10:23
arguments from the Baltic countries Although not up to00:10:26
end admitted mistakes, I would say not everyone00:10:30
are in a hurry to correct these mistakes Yes I00:10:33
I would do a lot more if it were00:10:36
my will Yes, but I think that in general if00:10:41
look at the Situation, the Situation after all00:10:45
controlled by Ukraine's allies00:10:48
the Russian aggressor failed00:10:51
still break everything and morals00:10:56
the Ukrainian people of the nation you are looking at00:11:01
heroic00:11:02
the leader of the country, President Zelensky, he00:11:06
finds an opportunity to go to Washington00:11:08
Despite all the risks that may00:11:11
pursue this visit yes00:11:13
acts as00:11:15
Western Leader speaks equally as00:11:19
ally So I think as they say in00:11:23
people drop after drop and how it goes00:11:26
a stone can sharpen so I think that00:11:29
it's not even a drop, it's already a stream and00:11:33
we will do everything to00:11:36
they said at the beginning not only Victory but also00:11:40
justice That's why this one00:11:43
a special tribunal is needed and00:11:46
restoration of Ukraine and of course conclusions00:11:49
new systems must be made00:11:51
security00:11:55
European was cleared of those00:11:59
people let's say so let's not politics00:12:02
people who put their00:12:04
interests and lived for Russian money00:12:07
oil rigs So we understand00:12:10
it’s great that even in such a serious00:12:11
situations when there was a vote00:12:13
European Parliament for the acceptance of Russia00:12:16
country and sponsor of terrorism was found00:12:18
more than fifty00:12:19
people who either did not vote or00:12:22
voted against them in general00:12:25
looked like an outcast as much as I00:12:27
I watched while there but nevertheless00:12:29
They're still there They're there Let's warm up00:12:31
specific actions taken00:12:33
you you long before it was00:12:35
unanimously adopted in the European00:12:37
Parliament Sam of Lithuania recognized Russia00:12:40
tourist state it happened00:12:41
since 2010 May 22 Lithuania has been among00:12:44
first states Along with Latvia00:12:46
Estonia and Canada and recognized Russia00:12:49
terrorist regime Lithuanian family00:12:51
stated that the Kremlin regime seeks00:12:52
destroy the Ukrainian nation completely00:12:54
or partially break her spirit by00:12:57
murders and members of entire families including00:12:59
children were mentioned in Lithuania and abduction00:13:01
torture, rape of people00:13:02
abuse of the dead and00:13:05
tortured and talking about it00:13:07
these two tools are your personal00:13:10
countries and the instrument that has been adopted00:13:11
already at the level of the European Parliament there are many00:13:14
it was told how much he00:13:16
effective we want to see it in00:13:18
reality how it works Here and00:13:20
now yes defrost defrost00:13:21
bills and every country was given the opportunity00:13:23
manage these accounts like she does00:13:26
considers it necessary for Russian oligarchs00:13:27
give to Ukraine or some other00:13:29
Are these tools enough?00:13:32
This is the first question and the second question is with this00:13:37
connected I will ask you after yours00:13:39
answer00:13:41
We have accepted in principle the political00:13:45
declaration and defined Russia How do you00:13:48
they said it correctly00:13:49
country sponsor of terrorism and country00:13:53
using terrorism as a method00:13:57
carrying out its policies and so on00:13:59
This is very important, that is, it all begins00:14:03
democratic societies must first00:14:07
be an agreement00:14:09
I would say so public00:14:12
contract what are we talking about what is ours00:14:15
concept of the situation and then all these00:14:18
tools should already turn into00:14:21
legal language, that is, tools00:14:23
certain00:14:25
Let's say there are some political methods00:14:28
additional sanctions so on and so forth00:14:30
similar and looking at this definition00:14:34
I hope it will be something like this00:14:37
which of course didn’t happen before, it’s completely00:14:39
new not yet existing legal00:14:43
political00:14:44
sense of politics00:14:47
instrument in the European Union we are lagging behind00:14:50
United States of America because00:14:53
What for many decades Europeans have simply00:14:57
were afraid to speak the language of Truth Yes, they00:14:59
embellished many situations out of fear00:15:03
call things your own00:15:05
[music]00:15:06
names but now we have this00:15:10
the situation needs to be escalated, what can you do?00:15:12
As they say, those need to00:15:16
do what we haven't done but you know00:15:19
considering that this is already the ninth sanctions00:15:22
package accepted If I were like that I would00:15:26
I would say tool by country00:15:29
supporting terrorism using00:15:32
terrorism is probably just a method of politics00:15:34
and there would be one sanctions package00:15:37
enough Yes he would be as they say00:15:40
such but of a nuclear nature in a good way00:15:43
in the sense of this word, yes such that00:15:46
covers everything and stops immediately00:15:50
relations and political economic00:15:52
so on and there is no need to scrape together how00:15:55
there's something off the wall every time, but here's another one00:15:59
one gram another 10 grams and so on I00:16:02
I think this approach is needed because00:16:05
we can have in the future you know00:16:09
situations when our reaction should be00:16:11
definitely clear and fast the main thing00:16:14
because now we see that they are like this00:16:17
aggressive against neighbors00:16:20
other third countries00:16:24
states they quietly creep up00:16:28
managed to see how Russia can prepare for00:16:31
war, as if without noticing it until the end and00:16:35
so on and then see what00:16:36
consequences for safety00:16:40
global security and for the economy00:16:43
and for the energy sector and so on00:16:45
similar So take these00:16:47
solutions When will such a tool be available?00:16:49
I hope we don't take a step back00:16:53
here at the beginning of another year we already have00:16:57
plan how we will do it00:16:59
conversations with the commission when you00:17:02
already prepare the project, that is, we00:17:05
we'll ask politicians00:17:07
executive power What are your plans?00:17:10
there will be investments and the like00:17:12
because I think that the situation00:17:15
so serious00:17:18
having such I would say00:17:21
colossal colossal impact on on00:17:25
all of Europe and even in a global sense00:17:27
Why play around here and think that everything00:17:30
Russia has already been stopped what we already have00:17:34
control over the aggressor was higher00:17:37
That's why my second question is very short00:17:39
I remembered that I wanted to follow you00:17:40
ask Yes, well, this is just a continuation00:17:44
ok, what did you say about those00:17:48
people who voted against Yes00:17:49
very simple question actually00:17:51
this is the cynicism with which they vote00:17:54
motivating this with some of their own00:17:56
fears so on and that declaration00:17:59
which Europe has always been famous for00:18:01
the rule of law but in which everything00:18:04
the human factor is equally involved. How00:18:06
and in all centuries before image reputation00:18:08
political is an effective tool00:18:11
which can be deprived for something like this00:18:14
cynical playing along with the aggressor when00:18:17
everything is already open and clear and the second moment00:18:20
maybe just invite you to visit00:18:22
bakhmut for example in raisins Maybe it's more00:18:24
effective tool than waiting when00:18:26
the European Commission will adopt some legal00:18:28
acts00:18:30
Yes, your offer is very valuable and how00:18:35
it says voices the situation very much00:18:37
you know very well in politics00:18:41
important reputation I think those who00:18:44
I voted against and even abstained00:18:47
would They would be classified in this category they are for00:18:51
I don't exist politically00:18:55
I won’t call them colleagues, I’m with them00:18:59
I won’t hold any general meetings there00:19:02
meeting I will not ask for their support00:19:06
because they showed their face between00:19:09
By the way, there are left and right radicals00:19:13
which, as they say, are no longer00:19:18
hope they can00:19:21
correct some of them and many of them00:19:25
them these radicals of both sides they00:19:28
have, as they say, ideological00:19:32
a basis that in itself is already00:19:36
burned herself but between them they were there00:19:40
some others that don't apply00:19:43
by the way to the radicals00:19:47
there are also some of these people who00:19:51
you know, after all, playing with history and not00:19:58
looks responsibly at what00:19:59
is happening now this is what I would like00:20:02
I would say double fault because they00:20:05
By the way, they belong to normal groups00:20:07
groups with which we are in00:20:10
you understand the quantity, so this is what00:20:13
we have a coalition, so it’s like00:20:15
call us again so you know No00:20:19
forget that there are probably those around00:20:21
who are under the influence On the hook And maybe00:20:26
to be generally as they say they don’t understand00:20:29
historical00:20:31
I would also like to draw your attention to that00:20:34
that Lithuania is not only one of the first00:20:36
voted for recognition00:20:37
terrorist state of Russia But00:20:40
one of the first to recognize the Holodomor in00:20:43
Ukraine Let's remember that the president00:20:45
Lithuania's hydro-bearing Seda also believes00:20:48
that is neither in the past nor in the present00:20:50
the wave of Russian terror will not break00:20:52
Ukrainians failed to do this00:20:55
several centuries ago or during00:20:57
Russia will not succeed in the Holodomor, and this00:21:00
now let's listen00:21:04
millions of innocent victims died from00:21:07
artificial hunger then like00:21:09
today the main goal of this deliberate00:21:11
extermination policy was to destroy00:21:13
Ukrainian identity And yet everything00:21:15
the suffering of the Ukrainian people did not break00:21:18
their spirit will not be broken by the current wave00:21:20
terror launched by the Russian regime00:21:22
Lithuania supports Ukraine00:21:31
in 2008 Sejm00:21:34
Lithuania also recognized these tents Well00:21:38
Latvia in 2008 and Lithuania also 700:21:43
Lithuania unanimously recognized00:21:45
terrorist state A00:21:48
Holodomor Please remind me I00:21:51
I don’t remember the exact date now, but no matter00:21:54
less Why Lithuania and other countries00:21:58
the Baltics in particular Latvia Estonia00:22:00
one of the first one of the first00:22:03
admit mmm00:22:05
during the Holodomor in Ukraine Why it works00:22:07
what's the story00:22:09
the Baltic countries understand that history is00:22:12
tends to repeat itself and00:22:14
accordingly, they are better this way00:22:17
teach history lessons than others00:22:19
EU member countries or Why countries00:22:22
balance sheet, for example, or Poland, for example00:22:24
recognized And for example in the European Union Well, only00:22:28
now it’s getting to the point where yeah00:22:31
the end of 2022 must already be recognized00:22:35
some Western politicians know this00:22:37
If you remember looking correctly00:22:39
Putin's eyes saw there00:22:41
almost like a normal person00:22:44
democrats and so on with which you can00:22:46
I don’t know who in Lithuania could speak00:22:49
repeat this phrase and not be named00:22:52
I'm sorry I'm a fool00:22:55
we are looking00:22:57
eyes but there you know this but also this00:23:03
imperialism you know stinks00:23:08
Russian Empire00:23:10
with the Soviet genocide00:23:14
social political00:23:17
experiments at the expense of lives00:23:21
the future of entire nations of peoples and so on00:23:26
so we don’t need to learn this history00:23:29
you know in the nineteenth century00:23:33
40 years of Lithuanian language and writing00:23:36
were banned00:23:38
imperial Russia00:23:40
It didn't bring us00:23:43
cultural flourishing00:23:45
additional opportunities for00:23:49
nation Yes, we suffered from this00:23:51
the university was closed for many00:23:55
Centuries older than the so-called00:23:58
Moscow University Yes, they are very00:24:01
were not happy about it and so on, but it00:24:04
you know the Russian Empire as well as00:24:06
Soviet Union They wanted to erase the lands00:24:10
those peoples who did not enter like that00:24:14
called the future00:24:17
Soviet and, say, Russian society00:24:20
this was done00:24:22
the most cruel methods Therefore, if00:24:26
if we would not recognize the Holodomor How how00:24:30
crime against humanity and00:24:32
genocide I don't know who could do it00:24:35
admit because we have to show00:24:37
the example we have is very I would say00:24:41
Bloody experience of deportation of convicts and so on00:24:45
next we know what Siberia looks like00:24:50
in reality that it is not only How00:24:54
they say Putin is somewhere in the mountains00:24:57
on horseback No, this is killing people, this is00:25:04
[music]00:25:05
as they say, turning people into enemies and00:25:08
so on and so this recognition is not00:25:12
just heartfelt But it's probably00:25:15
historical00:25:16
only possible because if we don't00:25:20
we will recognize such crimes00:25:21
describe they can repeat the future00:25:25
Because I don't see any yet00:25:27
conclusions from Russian society00:25:30
can you imagine such a discussion00:25:33
now in the Duma in Moscow But this is00:25:35
impossible when will it become possible00:25:37
another generation second generation What about00:25:40
will be between these periods as we will00:25:43
exist Why should we be00:25:45
hostages of Russian imperialism00:25:48
Why and probably it’s time and even more is needed00:25:54
tell the truth because only the truth00:25:56
only a clear understanding with what00:26:00
the aggressor we are dealing with can lead00:26:03
us with the right decision00:26:05
and in addition, I double-checked the date00:26:09
back in 2005, seven Lithuanians recognized00:26:12
Holodomor carefully planned00:26:14
genocide of the people of Ukraine by a member then00:26:17
parliament means voted for Thank you00:26:19
thank you very much for remembering history00:26:22
know her and thank you so much for00:26:25
Lithuania supports Ukraine now00:26:28
difficult time I hope that Ukraine can00:26:31
thanks to the help of the allies, win the00:26:35
this war against Russia is five dew00:26:37
happy with Lithuanian00:26:38
statesman and politician00:26:40
Member of the European Parliament only00:26:42
that he was in touch with us and we are moving00:26:45
Further00:26:54
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the time of the vile and terrible war is 20 o'clock00:27:02
there were explosions there were bombs throughout the day00:27:06
air raids air strikes testing time and00:27:09
real discoveries are very difficult to leave behind00:27:12
home is all that most Kazakhs have acquired00:27:15
they adhere to the Ukrainian position00:27:17
time of struggle and Faith in Victory all ours00:27:21
life I was a farmer this is our Earth00:27:23
truly historical time no one00:27:26
does not want to cooperate with Russia after00:27:28
of this terror in Ukraine documentary00:27:31
movies from now on weekdays00:27:34
14.00 Kyiv time on TV channel00:27:37
Freedom00:27:38
Ukraine is the heart of Europe00:27:42
Ukrainian statehood more than 100000:27:45
years it was established when Vladimir00:27:47
The Great christened Kievan Rus Kyiv alone00:27:52
Of the oldest capitals in Europe, here are 1000:27:55
century the first stone was erected00:27:58
we find an Orthodox church on its walls00:28:01
carved trident coat of arms of modern00:28:04
Ukraine has one of the first Constitutions00:28:07
Europe written for Hetman Ukraine00:28:12
independence has always been and will be00:28:16
the main value of Ukrainians00:28:20
Ukraine is the heart of Europe00:28:34
Well, it’s very important to talk about support00:28:37
support of the civilized world00:28:38
European Union of all those who00:28:41
will support Ukraine starting from00:28:43
full-scale Russian invasion00:28:44
Federations to the territory of Ukraine 2400:28:47
February and here it is also worth noting00:28:49
support for Poland because Poland is alone00:28:51
from one of the first countries00:28:53
who promptly accepted the Ukrainian00:28:56
refugees who were forced to flee00:28:58
from his home due to missile attacks00:29:00
strikes throughout Ukraine from00:29:02
side of the Russian Federation on this topic00:29:05
Let's discuss in more detail with Polish00:29:08
historian expert international specialist onion00:29:10
shadamsky is in touch with us onions00:29:11
Hello Nice to welcome you00:29:12
Hello00:29:15
Please tell me in this case00:29:16
Poland00:29:18
You know there is an expression: Friends are made00:29:21
trouble, can we say that Poland is00:29:25
a reliable friend is a very important friend00:29:28
very good friend Poland as a people so00:29:32
and power, or you can say the opposite00:29:34
power and people00:29:36
but here00:29:37
Good evening, there is basically no difference here00:29:43
government00:29:44
which was directed and is being directed00:29:49
to make it as strong as possible now00:29:52
support Ukraine and economic and00:29:55
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military00:29:59
it is supported by military aid00:30:05
war00:30:07
aggression against Ukraine00:30:14
This understanding absolutely prevails00:30:17
what if God forbid, God forbid00:30:21
managed00:30:29
[music]00:30:31
or the rest of Ukraine or00:30:34
[music]00:30:36
For00:30:38
wars00:30:40
castings in Estonia00:30:43
that's all the jurger's obligations00:30:47
allied obligations will directly involve00:30:49
Poland is at war and therefore absolutely important00:30:52
to Ukraine00:30:54
win now plus there is more besides00:30:58
this00:30:59
strategic thinking except00:31:03
absolutely00:31:05
[music]00:31:08
Let me remind you that00:31:11
probably took most of it00:31:13
Ukrainian00:31:16
women who in the first weeks of the war00:31:21
found hospitality found help00:31:36
hospitality of flat families I will become and00:31:39
the rest is another factor that00:31:42
each one is also played for final memory00:31:46
a culture that I am very close to00:31:48
follow00:31:50
exactly the story that very often00:31:54
reminded who remind how he00:31:57
some Factor that can separate00:31:59
two peoples I think she is most likely00:32:02
this is where it plays completely00:32:05
understand that yes, Ukrainians live in their own00:32:08
own independent own00:32:11
own independent state but00:32:14
Once upon a time everyone lived, say, in the same house00:32:18
they want us now to have different good houses00:32:22
Yes, and therefore, if we say the data00:32:26
the enemy attacks our neighbor00:32:28
raised together00:32:30
and such feelings awaken I say00:32:34
relations between the elite and00:32:36
I would like some more quote00:32:40
imagine you are not refugees you are our guests00:32:42
This statement was made by the President of Poland00:32:45
Andrzej Duda during his visit to00:32:47
Kyiv during the war was forced to Poland00:32:49
were leaving for almost three and a half00:32:51
million Ukrainians, some of them already00:32:53
However, the President of Poland Andrze returned00:32:55
Duda said that Ukrainians will not00:32:57
a burden for Poland because they are00:32:59
guests on its territory and actually00:33:03
in fact, I’ll tell you honestly, with my own eyes I don’t00:33:06
I saw what Polish cities look like00:33:08
after a full scale invasion00:33:10
Russian Federation territory of Ukraine00:33:12
but in such ordinary everyday conversations00:33:15
some of my friends told me that00:33:17
there is real support in Poland00:33:18
it feels like there are literally everywhere00:33:21
posters, signs that are dedicated to00:33:24
Ukraine or in Ukrainian colors is on00:33:27
in fact, well, it’s added, you know00:33:29
some pep even those people00:33:31
who were forced to leave their00:33:33
houses or what is left of their houses00:33:36
uh after Russian missile attacks00:33:38
Federation and end up in another country00:33:40
for many absolute first time and00:33:43
really completely confused and00:33:46
depressed e states and would like to00:33:49
You get your opinion. What do you think?00:33:52
what is the main reason for this00:33:56
Poland's decision to support Ukraine00:33:58
What is the main motivation for Poland?00:34:05
Firstly00:34:10
understanding00:34:20
that00:34:23
If00:34:27
will be next00:34:36
man00:34:37
Russia will want victory in Ukraine too00:34:40
throw some kind of challenge to the TO on00:34:44
the territories of the Baltic countries are already00:34:46
Confit that will all be pulled in later and00:34:48
the second is what I say and this is culture00:34:52
very similar languages00:34:56
I'm not so long ago here are my better life center00:34:59
Mirashevsky, you know, did a survey00:35:02
among Ukrainians, that is, among00:35:04
Ukrainian public opinion It was00:35:06
question of affairs in Ukraine How much00:35:09
percent of Ukrainians say that they have00:35:13
there are some Poles in the family or take it00:35:15
that is, it turned out that 185% 18% of citizens00:35:19
Ukraine are transmitted to what is in Poland00:35:22
some further relatives maybe00:35:25
there may be relatives living or I think them00:35:29
ask yourself this question in Poland too00:35:31
it turns out that means I’m Polyakov now00:35:34
have their roots mood I mean that00:35:37
that you understand what contributes to00:35:41
providing assistance and I may not be saying00:35:44
one more thing about that00:35:47
Russian attack on Ukraine it it it00:35:53
also strong associations with the past00:35:57
Poland has also been there many times00:36:00
situation and We remember its sections more00:36:02
her thirty-ninth year when the Soviet00:36:04
Union00:36:05
17 days after Germany and in history00:36:11
Poland Russia00:36:15
between the two states was how much00:36:19
I remember 18 That is, you understand, but00:36:22
this is what distinguishes Germany00:36:32
which in the past was part00:36:36
and the USSR of course is changing now. This00:36:40
perception but it is already traditionally like this00:36:44
it was that Ukraine was some kind of former00:36:46
part of Russia which is now becoming00:36:49
independent states no longer do this00:36:52
it was because all of Poland00:36:54
history culture is connected with Ukrainian00:36:56
lands00:37:01
give impetus to do so00:37:03
Ukrainian and therefore also just like that00:37:06
a lot or maybe I’ll say a lot00:37:11
his00:37:12
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public funds also loses on00:37:17
support00:37:18
either the Ukrainian stock exchange but also Ukraine's most00:37:21
in the war against Russia you know this00:37:26
half a percent flat00:37:30
annual product product00:37:34
perform indicators only in Estonia and00:37:37
for comparison, for example00:37:40
Certainly00:37:42
The United States knows00:37:46
there's absolutely a lot more in hours00:37:49
Ukraine the more but due to the fact that00:37:51
it's much richer and bigger00:37:54
look00:37:58
on percentage numbers but then I'm just at00:38:01
I have such data before my eyes00:38:04
USA there00:38:07
3 more exactly Well again And even in00:38:11
in absolute hours Poland ranks together00:38:14
with Canada 3rd in the world in support00:38:19
Ukraine, you say very important things but00:38:22
why did I ask this question again00:38:26
Despite the fact that you are already partially00:38:28
he was answered at the very beginning of the interview00:38:30
because00:38:31
The Russian Federation uses any00:38:34
intimacy is really distorting it00:38:38
and turning into this you know the native one00:38:41
people who are now perceived not00:38:43
how else except as a threat And despite00:38:47
what someone actually had00:38:48
some relatives had friends but00:38:51
Ukrainians just don’t want to have00:38:53
nothing to do with Russia in any way00:38:55
therefore they don’t want to identify themselves00:38:58
such are his values and such concepts00:39:01
proximity they are absolutely not clear to everyone and00:39:05
here, continuing the theme of difference in perception00:39:09
peace and values Although also ask you00:39:11
the question is what00:39:13
The Russian Federation dispersed this one00:39:16
information myth that Yes, what are you00:39:18
there you are so happy about Poland’s support, after all00:39:20
Poland itself wants to take it from you00:39:22
some territories00:39:23
So, dispersing all sorts of this threat from00:39:27
side of Poland that she came up with herself00:39:28
Russian Federation in Poland this00:39:32
the narrative was once discussed what is there00:39:34
they generally talk about it and think about it00:39:37
so discussed discussed the system00:39:40
Why00:39:42
The Russian Federation is just such nonsense00:39:46
begins to spread because00:39:50
Poland has absolutely no such sentiments00:39:51
to00:39:53
take pieces of the territory of foreign countries00:39:55
Poland is precisely a victim of this approach00:39:59
we lost many times an hour and00:40:04
their territories and then prices00:40:07
Poles, as in the 19th century, succeeded00:40:12
Poland's statehood is radical00:40:15
because he He destroys international00:40:18
rights are the basis of security but Russia00:40:21
that's how you do it of course00:40:27
in Ukraine00:40:37
you can find such narratives Yes you can00:40:39
We can’t find such views on the Internet00:40:43
talk about it being Russia00:40:45
Propaganda spreads these views00:40:47
they just told the Ukrainians that is00:40:49
Ukrainian Ukrainian associological00:40:52
The service for our order asked this00:40:54
question there too00:40:57
more or less said that it is absolutely00:41:00
hits but somewhere00:41:03
15-16%, uh including uh even higher and00:41:08
indicator on the territory of Eastern00:41:09
Ukraine Or maybe somewhere here00:41:12
some kind00:41:15
maybe something here00:41:20
historically I do not deny that there may be00:41:23
such are plus of course Russian00:41:26
Propaganda It works primarily on00:41:28
internal audience and the masses of Russia00:41:35
who have never come in their lives00:41:38
borders of the Russian Federation and00:41:40
Soviet Union which have imperial00:41:43
views on the world and think that there is yes00:41:46
if Russia is doing this, it's trying00:41:50
to do in relation to Ukraine but then00:41:52
probably other countries want it too00:41:54
do And not and then what they reproach00:41:57
Russia is that after that it burns on00:42:00
the territorial integrity of Ukraine is00:42:03
This00:42:08
lacks00:42:14
because other countries because the world00:42:17
it’s built like that, don’t understand00:42:20
residents of the Russian Federation00:42:36
spread information00:42:39
absolutely00:42:41
supposedly00:42:43
accession plans available in Poland00:42:46
Western Ukraine00:42:47
If we talk about also Russian00:42:50
narratives that are constantly thrown in00:42:53
into the information space regarding00:42:55
fatigue Europe including fatigue00:42:57
Poland from the war If I'm not mistaken00:43:01
there were such narratives supposedly no longer00:43:04
will accept Ukrainian refugees00:43:07
there will be no more uh00:43:10
support Ukraine and so on. A This is00:43:13
says that in the information00:43:16
in terms of the Russian Federation too00:43:17
loses support including00:43:19
support from Poland and Andrzej Duda, almost00:43:22
not every time something appears00:43:24
the narrative is right away and Hmm it says00:43:27
absolutely the opposite says that with00:43:28
Ukraine Poland before the Victory with Ukrainian00:43:32
refugees or as wings said earlier with00:43:34
Ukrainian guests in Poland00:43:37
to the end and this is another one like this00:43:41
litmus test of support for Poland and Ukraine00:43:45
but yes but there really is00:43:51
need to say00:43:53
Ukrainian refugees and Ukrainians who00:43:56
they came to Poland at the beginning of the war00:43:59
received very00:44:01
generous support for welfare states00:44:04
They could count on the same benefits00:44:07
which00:44:13
on Polyakov00:44:18
to say so in Poland00:44:24
find00:44:26
apartment00:44:28
and there was such a program, for example, that00:44:35
money to start00:44:39
accommodation in Poland for Poles or00:44:42
Ukrainians who00:44:44
live and who accept00:44:47
Ukrainian citizens are also provided00:44:50
program What do you get for each day?00:45:01
and Although readiness00:45:12
To give a name and additional00:45:15
social benefits It is decreasing and00:45:18
that is00:45:19
that economic00:45:25
war inflation00:45:27
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They00:45:30
great worries for the Poles and00:45:33
so there are some00:45:37
There is00:45:40
eye to00:45:43
hair to00:45:45
stop additional programs00:45:48
support for Ukrainians so that Ukrainians00:45:58
What do you think about Poland as a whole?00:46:01
at the moment it's possible00:46:03
within the European debate over00:46:06
set some tone towards00:46:10
Ukraine To help for Ukraine and00:46:13
Ukraine's victory is approaching00:46:18
military issues and that too00:46:24
to convince our partners that00:46:27
don't be afraid00:46:31
different actual00:46:34
black00:46:38
To give weapons that00:46:42
will allow the situation00:46:48
and here00:46:51
strongly supported00:46:57
Germany to Grant even more degrees00:47:00
I doubted it here and there Of course everything00:47:02
recognized, including Western ones,00:47:05
The point is that Poland’s role is important but00:47:09
there is another question, that is, the future00:47:11
Ukraine00:47:12
detuning00:47:14
economy00:47:16
rebuilding the country after these terrible00:47:18
destruction00:47:22
one thing we see is that part of the Western countries00:47:27
Europe above all Germany00:47:34
in the EU Ukraine, together with our country, they will create00:47:38
block which will have the same amount00:47:41
votes in the tariff00:47:47
What00:47:49
looks at the population size of a given00:47:52
countries00:47:53
and thus Germany will lose together00:47:56
with France control over the process of common00:48:00
integration and therefore Germany is already Straight00:48:02
declares that Yes it supports us00:48:04
supports Ukraine in the EU But if in00:48:09
the EU itself will change in principle00:48:13
minimal solution in foreign policy00:48:16
that is, essentially if00:48:17
foreign policy decision00:48:19
will accept the decision unanimously00:48:21
by majority vote then in Poland00:48:24
unacceptable because it was they who imprisoned00:48:27
succession to sovereignty00:48:29
case to turn it into principle00:48:30
its speeder00:48:32
Federal State And now we have00:48:35
is not00:48:36
state but that's why I wouldn't00:48:40
didn't say that00:48:41
the voice of the neck somehow has a very strong influence on00:48:45
these discussions are most likely more here00:48:47
Germany occupies one position, the old one00:48:51
it will bring the future00:48:53
But at the same time, Poland Quite a long time ago00:48:57
and I’m sure they support the prospects00:48:59
Ukraine's accession to the EU about which you00:49:01
NATO also remembered, by the way, here’s the Topic00:49:04
I would like to continue further and in general00:49:07
anyone know about joining the EU and NATO?00:49:09
says it's a technical procedure00:49:11
there are adherents of the idea that this is purely00:49:15
political will is your opinion after all00:49:18
which one influences the accomplishment more00:49:22
this fact00:49:26
because there are countries where00:49:29
where really00:49:32
technical procedures are needed But let's say00:49:39
Why Because defensive00:49:47
tool00:49:49
security00:49:54
relevant articles of the agreement on00:49:57
United Nations and if00:50:00
Ukraine would be00:50:02
other countries of the Union must provide No00:50:08
all his own desires but his00:50:11
legal obligations of all parties00:50:13
support for Ukraine in the Russian war00:50:19
there are many countries that do this00:50:22
they are afraid of the option and they essentially say00:50:25
what Let's00:50:28
let's end the war and then we can accept00:50:32
Ukraine Perhaps this will be part00:50:34
political decision00:50:37
which will be reached from Russia00:50:40
some Russia But because00:50:46
during the war but that means war00:50:49
shame on you00:50:52
no one or few people want and so I would00:50:56
said00:50:57
Ukrainian army Ukrainian state00:51:00
but in principle they do00:51:03
Prague all criteria for retreat into the alliance00:51:07
But00:51:08
lacks the will to00:51:12
the strange Unions are directly involved00:51:17
Please tell me in this case we00:51:20
we see that colossal finances are spent on00:51:23
then to support Ukraine to support00:51:25
Ukrainians, including on the territory00:51:27
Poland is talking about financial support00:51:29
O00:51:32
monthly payments in order to00:51:35
just living is also free00:51:38
providing housing is all very valuable00:51:40
especially during such a difficult time for everyone00:51:43
Ukrainians and here is an important question00:51:46
again in terms of this financial00:51:49
support there are a lot of opinions from00:51:53
Russian propagandists What do they say?00:51:54
the economy is collapsing the economy will not survive00:51:57
such an influx and so on Tell me00:51:59
please in this case is it possible00:52:01
to say that not only Ukraine is moving00:52:03
on the economic rails of war but also00:52:07
the entire civilized world including Poland00:52:09
that there is also a social program00:52:12
in order to support Ukrainian00:52:15
refugees and also do everything to00:52:18
for the economy to develop beyond the numbers00:52:21
Are there any please tell me already00:52:23
at the end of 2022, the Ukrainian economy00:52:26
and by the way, the Russian economy is really00:52:29
is on such military00:52:32
on rails and that's absolutely00:52:35
natural00:52:37
economics Yes of course it is to some extent00:52:40
suffers from what00:52:43
present00:52:46
[music]00:53:17
meanings further But of course there is everything with00:53:23
to some extent suffer from suffering from00:53:26
the fact that the prices for allergy resources are high00:53:30
rose but we also see that oil and00:53:33
And that I haven’t met00:53:38
goes down00:53:40
there's more to it about gas00:53:43
many other countries00:53:48
absolutely independent from the Russian00:53:52
gas therefore does not have much effect here either00:53:55
in general I would say that00:53:58
economics even00:54:01
seeing that there are so many Ukrainians00:54:03
moved and they also work here and pay00:54:05
taxes00:54:13
which passes through00:54:17
help to Ukraine but here for flat00:54:22
economics, the war brought not only00:54:24
loss but also00:54:27
profit is related to00:54:29
factor of war but it00:54:34
this is if you lose00:54:39
absolutely not on the same scale as in00:54:41
Ukraine where the fall is How much00:54:45
I remember 30%, yes that is00:54:48
will develop00:54:51
no matter what the war is00:54:56
the war between two neighbors is bigger than Russia too00:55:00
is a neighbor more through00:55:01
Kaliningrad region00:55:04
very important and price support for Ukraine in00:55:07
time of struggle against Russian aggression00:55:09
during the struggle for their sovereignty and00:55:12
the right to choose for yourself00:55:15
its own course but for Ukraine it will be the same00:55:17
this is a very important moment and period00:55:19
restoration and What do you think Poland00:55:23
which so supports Ukraine and00:55:26
Polish people who support so much00:55:28
Ukraine during the struggle Is there enough strength?00:55:33
support during recovery00:55:34
Because when there is no longer As such00:55:37
threats then maybe there will be motivation00:55:41
not as strong as you think00:55:45
I understand your question, I have one too00:55:50
concerns about this but it is not Sveta00:55:53
analysis by absence and presence00:55:55
motivation is related to the fact that00:55:57
Yes, you have absolutely all the people with00:56:01
which I speak in Poland are:00:56:04
businessmen are very interested in00:56:07
to become more active00:56:11
restoration of the Ukrainian economy00:56:20
[music]00:56:23
not only Poland is interested in00:56:25
to invest in Ukraine after00:56:28
war so that Polish companies could00:56:31
work in Ukraine but also many others00:56:35
films including those00:56:38
are supported by influential00:56:40
state this is a very I would say effect00:56:45
control I'm afraid that00:56:50
to the state regardless of who00:56:53
will then be in power00:57:07
What00:57:09
many have00:57:12
intentions are sometimes lacking00:57:23
to observe and to00:57:25
turn out to be an effective project in principle00:57:28
not only a good good idea00:57:31
effective project And there is, for example00:57:33
look at know-how for quality00:57:37
administrations of some Western European00:57:40
American State game then of course00:57:44
they are much more experienced at that, they too00:57:47
not in principle also went through a period00:57:52
The socialist economy has survived00:57:54
period00:57:56
and even00:57:58
an hour more at least Russian00:58:00
empires with corruption and lack of such00:58:04
thinking about the economy about the state as in00:58:10
long term perspective00:58:12
Of course someone can00:58:14
argue00:58:15
on the contrary that00:58:17
bureaucratization is less than many others00:58:21
countries from the Greater00:58:23
exactly what00:58:26
will support Ukraine most of all00:58:32
the ratio is greatest together with00:58:34
bolts will help and then and then that's it00:58:36
countries that helped less but00:58:38
Which are good qualities of administration and00:58:41
Maybe00:58:42
including on Ukrainian politicians on00:58:45
Ukrainian Business for the USA00:58:49
in 2022 we talked about victory because00:58:55
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this is the year of recovery support00:58:59
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talk about how without exaggeration01:01:32
Vladimir Zelensky became a world leader01:01:35
in 2022 but let's talk about everything01:01:38
in order how they recognized who recognized01:01:40
Vladimir Zelensky is the man of the year and so on01:01:44
2022 according to financial publication01:01:47
Times Vladimir Zelensky President01:01:48
of Ukraine was elected person of the year as01:01:50
notes the publication of the Ukrainian President01:01:53
became the embodiment of Courage and Fortitude01:01:55
Ukrainian people in their struggle against01:01:57
Russian aggression, let us also recall that in01:02:00
May President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky01:02:02
became the most influential person of 202201:02:06
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more than 3 million voted01:02:13
readers Vladimir received 5% of the votes01:02:16
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Vladimir Zelensky and the Spirit of Ukraine01:02:21
symbol of 2022, articles write, quote01:02:25
Zelensky's success as a military leader01:02:26
based on the fact that the husband has courage01:02:29
is contagious it has spread01:02:31
among the political leadership of Ukraine01:02:33
in the first days of the invasion when everyone understood01:02:35
that the president remains in Kyiv if this01:02:38
seems natural for a leader during01:02:40
crisis think about the historical01:02:42
the president01:02:45
it's pure for me to imagine the fight01:02:48
Ukrainians and the Spirit of Ukraine is the spirit of Freedom01:02:51
resonates in the souls of so many people01:02:53
around the world the stories of heroes fighting for01:02:56
the independence of this story of yours is ordinary01:02:59
men and women who have become brave01:03:01
hearts joined the defense forces01:03:04
to protect freedom this spirit was known01:03:06
Different generations of different nations doctors01:03:09
rescuing the wounded under bombs during01:03:12
blackouts or under occupation despite everything01:03:15
that this humanity that we all have01:03:17
We value farmers who cultivate the land even01:03:20
where the roar of artillery does not subside is01:03:23
natural desire to live and care for01:03:25
their families about their communities01:03:28
specialists spreading the truth01:03:30
history of resistance to tyrants which01:03:33
started back when there was no such word01:03:35
it was journalism that inspires01:03:38
freedom fighters on all continents01:03:40
who may have nothing but01:03:43
courage to defeat those who have01:03:45
armored vehicles and experience of repression01:03:48
when Freedom wins and Tyranny01:03:50
people are collapsing all over the globe01:03:52
smile the same01:03:55
President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky01:03:57
named named most influential01:03:59
person of Europe in 2022 also according to01:04:03
versions of buildings politics just look01:04:05
how European leaders are fleeing to Kyiv01:04:08
to take a photo with the ceremonial01:04:12
44 year old man in his now01:04:14
iconic olive green t-shirt01:04:16
writes a building history next to it01:04:18
politicians crave to be noticed01:04:20
Zelensky convinced the rest of Europe that01:04:23
that her future is connected with Ukraine01:04:26
few people believed before the Russian invasion01:04:28
February, the editors of Politics summarize how01:04:31
Vladimir Zelensky himself reacted to01:04:33
recognition as person of the year in Europe01:04:36
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I thank you for this distinction for01:04:42
Ukrainians specifically for Ukrainians because01:04:44
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influential only when he or01:04:49
she represents not just herself but the general01:04:52
the will of the common dream of the common goal of his people01:04:54
so in Ukraine we are as united as possible01:04:58
and therefore we are as strong as possible01:05:00
focused on protecting our01:05:02
Independence That's why we have so much01:05:04
succeeds We are faced with a threat01:05:06
lose everything and therefore found the strength to01:05:09
become number one01:05:12
and at the same time the loser of the year01:05:14
the editorial board of the politician recognized the president01:05:16
Vladimir Putin's Russia Vladimir's dream01:05:18
Putin's Great Russia is unlikely01:05:20
its full-scale implementation01:05:22
the attack on Ukraine became01:05:23
fall apart almost as quickly as01:05:25
it began, it did not reduce Russia to a country01:05:27
third level are not able to win01:05:29
whose opponent she underestimated and01:05:32
despised notes the publication of the politician and01:05:35
let's do it all now01:05:37
I really want to discuss the only thing01:05:38
add also in normal times01:05:40
it is difficult to determine which country will become01:05:42
country of the year is the opinion of the publication for01:05:44
icons but this year is the first time we01:05:46
started doing this 2013 the choice is obvious01:05:49
it can only be Ukraine01:05:53
Ukrainian president in Ukraine we will01:05:54
talk to Vladimir Afitsenko01:05:55
political scientist Vladimir Greetings01:05:57
Hello01:05:59
I have a very short question, but this is01:06:02
everything is absolutely deserved what we are talking about01:06:04
just talked01:06:05
of course And indeed this is very accurate01:06:08
grade01:06:09
magazine icons with which at the end of the year he01:06:13
traditionally sums up and formulates01:06:15
forecasts for next year01:06:18
there really is no doubt01:06:20
country of the year is Ukraine Person of the Year01:06:22
President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky01:06:25
became the personification of Fortitude and heroism01:06:29
Ukrainian people Ukrainian01:06:30
resistance to Russian aggression01:06:32
so the choice is absolutely obvious therefore01:06:35
Not only01:06:36
icons01:06:38
policy many other buildings do this01:06:41
because Ukraine I think it has become01:06:45
the main discovery of this year for everything01:06:47
the world saw Ukraine differently01:06:51
How01:06:52
a country that was considered unsuccessful01:06:55
met expectations and here is Ukraine01:06:58
exceeded all expectations and the president01:07:01
Zelensky, of course, became not just01:07:03
personification01:07:05
for resistance01:07:06
and politicians and journalists around the world01:07:09
people just pay tribute to his heroism01:07:13
after all, his personal courage when he01:07:17
stayed in Kyiv during the most difficult days01:07:19
Ukrainian resistance has already become01:07:22
this is also a quote of the year01:07:25
say when he said that he doesn't need01:07:29
transport to leave01:07:30
Kyiv needs weapons for the country to01:07:32
to defend myself and it eventually started01:07:36
come to life And thanks to01:07:40
huge activity of the Ukrainian01:07:42
the president and his popularity in everything01:07:45
world But he ended up on the covers of uh01:07:47
already in March, precisely thanks to his01:07:50
heroism to the heroism of the Ukrainian people and01:07:53
it started to convert into support01:07:55
our country and our popularity01:07:58
became the president of the whole world01:08:00
used by Vladimir himself01:08:02
Zelensky leadership of our country for01:08:04
in order to either maximize01:08:06
get support support01:08:08
economic support with weapons01:08:10
ammunition So this one is here01:08:13
dialectic But this is absolutely deserved01:08:16
I think that this is the Triumph of Ukraine01:08:19
Paradoxically, it was the most tragic year in01:08:22
our modern history But01:08:24
at the same time it was the year that gives01:08:27
we have reason for optimism in our01:08:29
future Victory look here I want01:08:32
Just Remind Yes you really are01:08:33
said We voiced it a little before01:08:36
awards received and01:08:38
President of Ukraine and Ukraine in particular01:08:39
but I will add Lithuania the president received01:08:42
Is it the highest award, the Order of Autos?01:08:44
Great golden goal is very important01:08:46
in fact it is for special merits01:08:48
foreign citizens in just the country01:08:51
admits Slovakia awarded Zelensky01:08:53
Alexander Dubchik Prize Czech Republic Order01:08:56
The president said he wanted a white lion01:08:58
so celebrate Zelensky for his01:09:00
courage during the defense of Kyiv before01:09:01
Russian aggression I feel a little bit01:09:03
issued the Latvian Order of the Vis Registry01:09:06
tour I apologize to the first degree for01:09:08
personal courage and leadership and01:09:10
defending the common values of Europe and then01:09:13
there is an understanding that protecting yourself and01:09:15
their territories Ukraine and Ukrainians01:09:16
today defends the values of common01:09:19
Europe UK Zelensky01:09:20
celebrated the Chirchili Award for leadership01:09:22
the President of Ukraine also received an award01:09:24
Madeleine for Democracy Medal of Freedom from01:09:28
national constitutional center01:09:29
USA actually I can continue01:09:31
it's easy to list the many01:09:32
infinity the list is simply huge01:09:35
I wanted to add please01:09:39
for a very long time actually you know01:09:41
started and just the key thing is01:09:43
By the way, Vladimir Vyacheslavovich is also you01:09:46
they emphasized that he stayed in Kyiv01:09:49
very important Yes this is a key rotary01:09:52
moment but after that How much more did01:09:54
Zelensky on the international stage here01:09:57
literally now we were watching him01:09:58
spoke in Congress on February 24 -01:10:01
this is essentially the beginning of the year and this is already the end01:10:04
of the year and the president who speaks01:10:06
second second person world leader01:10:09
after Churchill in Congress but to me01:10:12
it seems here01:10:13
it’s unnecessary to even carry out any01:10:15
the parallels are here and so everything is obvious But on01:10:19
in fact, Zelensky Churchill is not01:10:21
the only ones who spoke in Congress01:10:23
USA But what is common Why is such a thing carried out?01:10:26
parallels between Zelensky and Churchill01:10:28
By the way, they started to conduct more in parallel01:10:30
in spring these are the first weeks the first months01:10:33
war and in Great Britain itself throughout01:10:36
world but this is Churchill's speech01:10:38
forty-one and the current performance01:10:40
Zelensky They are united after all01:10:42
circumstances spirit of resistance01:10:45
desire to win01:10:48
the need to ensure a Union of countries01:10:51
who resist the fascist01:10:53
aggression and then fascist aggression01:10:55
Germany is now under fascist aggression01:10:57
Russia on and this is an appeal to the nation01:11:01
who always fought for ideals01:11:03
democracy to the united states01:11:04
We need a common struggle01:11:07
support This is general and I agree with01:11:11
because this is a speech in Congress01:11:13
in addition to those state awards01:11:15
which you called That's it01:11:17
symbolic recognition01:11:19
Here comes Biden, who hugs our01:11:23
the president has a completely different picture than01:11:26
was let's say a year ago at the end of August01:11:29
early September 2021 is completely different01:11:32
attitude because Ukraine is01:11:35
Vladimir himself deserved it01:11:37
Zelensky really somehow01:11:39
refers to American congressmen01:11:41
American politicians are01:11:44
sincere emotions sincere feelings and this01:11:47
recognition of both our country and01:11:50
Vladimir Zelensky as an outstanding01:11:52
policies that really showed01:11:55
not only his personal courage is enormous01:11:58
personal political media activity01:12:00
uh they became one of our main ones01:12:04
there are weapons in the Western Arena01:12:06
a weapon that fights against the aggressor01:12:08
inside the country there are weapons that01:12:10
fights for Ukraine in01:12:14
information-political in01:12:15
international sphere and with such weapons01:12:17
became Vladimir Zelensky because he01:12:20
energizes emotions the first days of resistance01:12:23
who really brought01:12:25
Zelensky gained world fame01:12:28
emotional impulse resilience01:12:30
Ukrainians, he rebroadcast it to01:12:32
Ukrainian society but he is his01:12:34
rebroadcast both to the world and the world in the end01:12:37
responded and began to tell us more and more01:12:39
actively help And this impulse01:12:41
Zelensky has brought momentum01:12:44
Ukrainian resistance from01:12:46
fighting Bakhmut A to the White House and to01:12:50
US Congress symbols of this01:12:52
this emotional resistance01:12:55
impulse of the Ukrainian spirit of resistance01:12:58
which is very good about Himself01:13:01
Vladimir Zelensky said E with the symbol01:13:03
this steel is the asphalt that I brought01:13:06
Zelensky from the front and handed it over01:13:08
to the US President01:13:09
Ukrainian banner Ukrainian ensign01:13:12
combat which was also made from bakhmut01:13:16
brought to the US Congress this one01:13:19
emotional impulse it works it01:13:21
unites everything in the end01:13:24
international coalition to support01:13:25
Ukraine And it’s all tied to the president01:13:28
Ukraine's huge01:13:31
information political and in general01:13:36
just personally e activity So01:13:39
you know when this is an old discussion what01:13:42
more important01:13:44
person in history or historical01:13:47
circumstances of the masses01:13:50
a historical figure always appears01:13:54
acts as a catalyst01:13:57
subject who can01:13:59
start processes to give them01:14:02
extra strength And so01:14:04
Vladimir Zelensky came to the right place01:14:07
time in the right place and with your activity01:14:10
in fact, he strengthened the Ukrainian01:14:13
resistance and linked it with ours01:14:17
international support for our country01:14:18
everything is connected because01:14:20
historical figure is what you mean01:14:22
now you say it is only increasing01:14:23
based on the circumstances of the circumstances K01:14:25
Unfortunately, things have developed. It’s already possible.01:14:27
now we will tell them happiness by having01:14:29
the president has such circumstances01:14:31
which were on February 24th Today we have01:14:33
this result we are talking about is that01:14:35
the whole world just stands and applauds01:14:37
this footage from the congress when Sorry01:14:38
people who have been in politics for many years01:14:42
decades but want to touch Well yes01:14:44
it just calls absolutely somewhere and01:14:47
at first you don’t understand then you understand01:14:50
why so and somehow somewhere even01:14:52
some kind of moment of such surprise01:14:55
to be honest when you just know everything01:14:56
I'm tired of counting the number of times to be honest01:14:59
when the congressmen stood up in my opinion01:15:02
even Zelensky is tired01:15:04
there's always a greeting and a hug like this01:15:06
brotherly it is clear that this is all for real01:15:08
in a brotherly way, although the leaders of these countries01:15:11
and before, let’s say, we communicated with leaders01:15:13
Ukraine Yes, but still it was something A01:15:16
now there is empathy, probably this one01:15:18
this is the word and the empathy that01:15:20
show politics for many me01:15:22
seems to have become surprising for them01:15:24
that they can experience such empathy01:15:26
in relation to the leader of another country01:15:27
Come on Seryozha please, what else is it about?01:15:29
Let's talk, I wanted to remind you that01:15:32
said the Speaker of the US House of Representatives01:15:34
Nancy Polosi she how she reacted01:15:37
for the speech of the President of Ukraine01:15:39
Vladimir Zelensky of the US Congress01:15:40
stated that this is one of the best01:15:42
all-time congressional speech01:15:44
At the same time, she emphasized that Zelensky01:15:47
like Churchill, but remember the parallel01:15:49
Premier uh like Prime Minister Yes she is by the way01:15:52
I think she called me president And I have in01:15:55
I think Churchill is actually an example01:15:56
Zelensky wartime president01:15:59
made a historic speech let's01:16:01
now let's listen and continue01:16:04
this is one of the five best performances in01:16:07
Congress in the entire history that I01:16:09
I really got to hear this01:16:11
historical event since Zelensky01:16:13
like Churchill these are two presidents01:16:15
wartime who came here01:16:17
to thank you for your participation and01:16:20
ask for help for help to01:16:22
stop tyranny in Europe and this01:16:24
the performance was accompanied by applause01:16:25
this is a historical speech01:16:30
and I would also add, you know what, Well01:16:33
Besides the pathos, of course, I would like more01:16:35
remember that after this congress01:16:37
voted to allocate 45 billion for01:16:40
allies for Ukraine their allies01:16:42
allies accordingly, that is, many01:16:45
they said that, in fact, Biden included01:16:48
They are now using this visit of Zelensky01:16:51
Zelensky's arrival United States as01:16:53
a way to win over01:16:56
renewed United States Congress01:16:58
America Could this be true?01:17:01
in your opinion, of course, well, updated01:17:04
the congress will begin next year but01:17:08
American commentators really01:17:10
wrote that Zelensky’s arrival in the USA01:17:14
and his speech in Congress01:17:18
appearance in America01:17:20
what our country needed for01:17:24
Biden01:17:27
guarantee and under the name in01:17:30
Congress and through public opinion in01:17:34
USA guarantee01:17:36
continuation of systemic support for our01:17:38
countries had sympathy for our country even before01:17:41
this visit but Zelensky's color has come01:17:44
I needed an emotional impulse01:17:47
recharging is so powerful emotional01:17:50
political recharging of the American01:17:52
American politician01:17:55
political elite and Zelensky Well, just01:17:58
accomplished this task brilliantly by the way01:18:00
I’ll note that you quoted the uh chapter01:18:05
lower house of congress nancy pelosia01:18:07
Here is Zelensky’s speech, I will note that01:18:11
many colleagues inside Ukraine Even01:18:13
those who do not really sympathize with Zelensky01:18:15
and abroad the speech was truly celebrated01:18:17
was not just brilliant from a point01:18:20
in terms of emotions In terms of content01:18:22
here you have to give the position as a rider uh01:18:25
Ukrainian president because there01:18:28
everything was correctly accented01:18:30
but he still conveyed the president’s emotion01:18:34
this Ukrainian emotion emotion01:18:36
resistance and01:18:38
personal Sympathy personal Kan Zelensky01:18:41
Zelensky's charm works too01:18:43
By the way, I’ll also mention it in your report01:18:46
It was01:18:47
the flow of foreign visitors to Kyiv01:18:52
resumed when it became obvious01:18:55
that Kyiv survived this month of April01:18:57
Well, the flow doesn't stop01:18:59
continues and it works very well01:19:01
for the benefit of Ukraine, a visit to Kyiv01:19:06
leaders of the European Union As a result01:19:09
led to the fact that01:19:11
a decision was made very quickly01:19:14
granting Ukraine status01:19:16
By the way, please also pay attention to candidate members01:19:18
attention that's what it means01:19:20
the right actions at the right time01:19:23
application for candidate status01:19:26
EU member was submitted by the President01:19:28
Zelensky Well, the Ukrainian leadership, but in01:19:30
in general in the first days of the War when it is not clear01:19:33
what would happen next the enemy stood at the gate01:19:35
Kyiv but this move was made this move01:19:38
worked01:19:39
Boris Johnson's arrival was shown and01:19:44
When01:19:46
there was a walk around Kyiv that01:19:49
shocked the Ukrainian security guards a little01:19:51
president just recently01:19:53
Andrey Ermak, head of the office, said this01:19:57
President But this also works01:19:59
ultimately works to support our01:20:02
countries or How the position has changed01:20:04
German President Scheimeier after his01:20:07
arrival in Kyiv and here he is in the Chernigov region01:20:11
visited and visited a bomb shelter and01:20:13
meeting Zelensky is just his01:20:16
turned it over and we got another one01:20:18
uh powerful friend and uh who is also now01:20:22
actively support Ukraine01:20:25
that’s why communication with Vladimir works01:20:29
Zelensky and perception01:20:32
emotional perception of our country01:20:34
visits to Kyiv and Ukraine are also01:20:37
the most powerful weapon that works in01:20:39
benefit of our country and I think that01:20:42
the Ukrainian president found it here too01:20:45
very correct political move01:20:47
which ultimately increases support01:20:50
Ukraine at the same time the Kremlin has always been01:20:53
in anticipation Yes throughout 2022 you01:20:55
just remembered Well, they showed him Boris01:20:58
Johnson Yes, when he was no longer in office01:21:01
and everyone was waiting for who would become01:21:03
Prime Minister e Russian and01:21:05
propagandists and Russian publications all01:21:08
Yes, even when they talked about01:21:11
Rishe Sunnah And they said Well, it will change01:21:13
attitude towards Ukraine is exactly the same01:21:15
I look like somewhere I'm very short that Yes no01:21:17
engaged and time Same story01:21:19
there was a similar one from Mario Drag, here's someone01:21:21
another one will come, yes, Melonia will come and01:21:23
relationships and partnerships01:21:25
Ukraine's support will change And that's all01:21:27
it turned out to be exactly the opposite01:21:28
the drawing arrived and we saw exactly the same01:21:31
up to absolutely support and melody01:21:34
going to '23 This is all about01:21:37
that in reality most likely01:21:39
what is it about today and in certain01:21:41
at the awards we said that Europe today01:21:43
united in support of Ukraine and united in01:21:47
support of those values that today01:21:49
produced and offered by Ukraine and us01:21:53
today there is absolutely no01:21:55
some pretentious words today01:21:56
we talk about how the world supports and how01:21:58
world01:21:59
rewards but at the same time for the same01:22:02
lies I want us a little more01:22:03
about this Vladimir, this is also where it lies01:22:05
further work and not just verbal01:22:08
support and real actions are real01:22:10
support military aid increases01:22:12
financial support is increasing01:22:14
Let's remember the energy Ramstein01:22:16
information Rammstein defense01:22:18
financial, that is, in fact, everything01:22:21
what is voiced it is transformed01:22:23
also effectiveness, that is, this and01:22:25
everything becomes a verb, it's an action on01:22:28
in fact, this is what I think is very01:22:30
it's important in everything that's why I want01:22:32
a little bit for you to add based on01:22:34
from what I said just now01:22:36
I’ll note here that the logic has changed01:22:41
logic of foreign policy We are used to01:22:44
Unfortunately, this even manifested itself after01:22:47
14 years when the hybrid war began01:22:50
Russia vs Ukraine When already01:22:51
the annexation of Crimea took place, but that’s all01:22:54
anyway, we are used to the fact that this is the first word01:22:56
behind our partners And then we are like01:22:59
I wish I could01:23:00
really tried01:23:02
expand this coalition in support01:23:04
Ukraine worked with individual countries01:23:07
but now we see a completely different logic01:23:11
Ukraine's offensive foreign policy01:23:13
and here in the role of first violin of course01:23:16
President Zelensky speaks01:23:18
Please note: Here I am already one example01:23:21
brought from applying for membership to01:23:24
EU member candidate it was unexpected01:23:27
then I consider01:23:29
are you looking for this Utopia what is the status of the candidate01:23:33
It’s unknown what will happen to Ukraine But01:23:35
it worked and worked very quickly with01:23:38
weapons01:23:40
Zelensky's speech is very01:23:42
emotional very dramatic at first01:23:44
days of war with calls to close the sky if01:23:47
can't close the sky Give us the system01:23:49
Air defense Don't give us heavy weapons right away01:23:52
after a while they started giving and01:23:55
these are all the results of the manifestation of that01:23:59
that Ukraine is not waiting somewhere there01:24:02
Washington or Brussels in London or01:24:06
Berlin will decide something for us, no, we ourselves01:24:08
We offer a specific solution01:24:10
we often push our partners01:24:14
specific actions when they themselves01:24:16
not ready for this yet This is it01:24:18
aggressively also consider themselves one of01:24:21
main achievements of Ukrainian foreign01:24:23
politics played a huge role here01:24:25
indeed President Vladimir himself01:24:27
Zelensky on01:24:29
the style of Ukrainian foreign policy is not01:24:31
only the style of clothing that everyone answers01:24:34
abroad this is a new style of Ukrainian01:24:37
politics and this is the style This is01:24:41
offensiveness I think we need01:24:42
save in the future because she01:24:44
brings us success01:24:46
water style repeatedly we are in01:24:49
broadcasts noted that essentially now01:24:52
Zelensky cosplay has begun, yes, well, the same01:24:55
Manuel Macron Let's remember Yes when01:24:57
he came to the kangaroo but not enough01:25:00
I did a whole photo session and then some01:25:03
hair disheveled there, well it doesn’t seem like it01:25:07
you need to be to the point This is the most important thing01:25:10
Yes, don’t seem to be. So I think that01:25:14
in addition to personal human charm and01:25:17
the president's political charm01:25:18
Zelensky also has this sincerity01:25:22
organic01:25:23
don't seem to be That's very accurate01:25:25
this is what attracts him to him01:25:28
attention inspires respect for him yes01:25:31
you know, it used to be so common too01:25:34
place to celebrate But he can do it as an actor01:25:37
be but people see when it's even a game01:25:42
outstanding very talented game A01:25:44
when this is a real position01:25:47
real emotion real action Yes no01:25:51
words, namely deeds and actions Therefore01:25:53
It’s all this together that, of course, creates01:25:56
this is a huge effect01:26:00
in the actions and perceptions of Vladimir01:26:03
Zelensky as President of Ukraine01:26:07
and literally one more final one01:26:10
probably the question will be: You said Yes01:26:12
not to play but to be and you don’t think that01:26:14
in fact, Vladimir Zelensky too01:26:16
passed01:26:17
a certain stage of development and01:26:19
essentially became president grew up to become president01:26:22
He realized that he really is the president01:26:24
in fact and not when he was just01:26:27
winner when he came from Well01:26:30
entertainment business let's say in01:26:32
politics And now he just grew up in01:26:34
presidents01:26:35
undoubtedly, this is also very useful by the way01:26:38
many commentators note we are in this01:26:40
year we saw Novozelensky in many ways but01:26:43
you know something new that is born out of nowhere I01:26:47
I think that the prerequisites were very01:26:50
big underestimations of Vladimir Zelensky01:26:52
I personally heard it a few hours before01:26:55
the beginning of the war so that He would escape from Kyiv he01:26:58
weak But it turned out not, I think it’s in it01:27:02
there was this, there was this courage01:27:04
it was reckless in a good way01:27:07
uh the desire to take risks to move forward E01:27:11
he was a leader in his team01:27:14
he would not have leadership potential01:27:16
President of Ukraine in 2019 Yes to him01:27:19
had to learn uh mind you How01:27:21
his attitude towards Putin and towards01:27:25
Russia uh01:27:26
But the most important thing is that I think that01:27:30
Ukraine and the world saw something new01:27:32
Zelensky is the new President of Ukraine01:27:34
because circumstances have changed and01:27:37
Zelensky turned out to be Hello01:27:42
Vladimir would like to01:27:46
let's correct it a little because01:27:48
this is really very important we are now01:27:50
Let's restore our communication with Vladimir01:27:53
Fetsenko would like to complete and yet01:27:55
I think it's a continuation of what I said01:27:56
Vladimir01:27:58
about Vladimir Zelensky Vladimir Zelensky01:28:01
Yes, undoubtedly during this period especially for01:28:04
time of full scale invasion01:28:05
truly became a world leader and01:28:07
became a very serious politician and01:28:10
the president is very strong but at the same time01:28:12
time he retained his humanity01:28:14
just now Vladimir Fisenko spoke about01:28:17
certain theses that we heard01:28:19
I remember after we were01:28:22
certain hits in Odessa were01:28:25
death and01:28:28
baby in one of the families and when01:28:31
Vladimir Zelensky spoke about Odessa Yes01:28:34
he couldn't find the words he couldn't find the words01:28:36
They came here and the Russians there01:28:38
say that it’s delicious and so on01:28:41
And now why are you destroying Odessa?01:28:43
which city is there, here it is with this01:28:45
to myself01:28:46
you know this kind of approach01:28:49
which he only has today01:28:52
Vladimir Zelensky This is the appeal01:28:54
he always talks a lot about children01:28:56
there is he has preserved his humanity and01:28:58
that we have a lot from many politicians01:29:01
in the world we very rarely hear something like this01:29:04
attitude towards family and children he has it in himself01:29:07
saved that is, this does not hide B01:29:09
difference again from the leaders of the Kremlin and so01:29:12
further It is very important that despite01:29:14
that humanity is preserved and it is possible01:29:16
it was precisely this humanity that bribed01:29:19
all those politicians who come01:29:21
to Ukraine and those congress who simply01:29:23
I really wanted to touch him01:29:25
Well, very revealing footage01:29:27
who have actually already entered01:29:29
you wanted to add a story Seryozha Yes I01:29:32
I wanted to add another quote01:29:34
it is important that during a war diplomats01:29:36
no right to a day off stated this01:29:40
President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky at01:29:42
conference on the word of Ukraine noted that01:29:44
to win the victory diplomats together with01:29:46
authorities must work harder than01:29:49
opponent of the visit to the USA and its results01:29:52
Vladimir Zelensky asked01:29:53
be considered as a given bar on01:29:56
which ambassadors must navigate01:30:00
his work and also the president01:30:01
announced diplomatic reform01:30:04
service which is provided01:30:05
Fair financing01:30:07
diplomatic departments and also01:30:09
opening new embassies in essence Well, if01:30:12
omit the last thing diplomatic01:30:15
service president as supreme01:30:17
commander-in-chief as essentially the chief01:30:20
diplomat of his country Yes and uh he's not01:30:23
maybe I should rest during the war01:30:27
bring victory closer and must use01:30:30
We have any opportunity Vladimir Fesenko01:30:33
political scientist Vladimir Fesenko returned with01:30:35
Literally one more person is in touch with us again01:30:37
the question of what to expect from the president01:30:39
Vladimir Zelensky in 202301:30:44
In 2022, President Zelensky is on top01:30:48
those dramatic circumstances01:30:50
the most difficult circumstances in many ways even01:30:53
tragic, he turned out to be adequate01:30:56
this circumstance is adequate to those01:30:59
a challenge that was and now I am very01:31:01
I hope in the future in 202301:31:05
Vladimir Zelensky as president01:31:07
Ukraine will be at the same height because01:31:10
that the year should be decisive it should01:31:13
be a decisive year for our Victory for01:31:15
liberation of occupied territories and01:31:17
so that we can not only01:31:21
driving out the enemy from our Earth is military01:31:25
task but we must secure this victory01:31:28
through01:31:30
international security guarantees01:31:32
Ukraine, work on this has already begun01:31:35
there is a proposed formula for peace01:31:37
President Zelensky plans01:31:39
international conference which should01:31:41
consolidate these international01:31:44
anti-security, mind you, we are not waiting01:31:47
when the war ends when someone01:31:49
creates this conference again01:31:51
offensiveness of the Ukrainian foreign01:31:53
politicians therefore01:31:56
prerequisites for future Victory as military01:31:59
that's how they start diplomatically01:32:01
lay down work already now01:32:03
is now leading this work at the Vanguard01:32:07
President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky01:32:10
Vladimir, many thanks to you and01:32:12
today for participating in our broadcast and for01:32:15
participation in our broadcasts earlier I always01:32:17
I will remember our communication with you01:32:19
when we talked about the first ladies we01:32:21
we talked about Elena Zelensky We talked01:32:23
this is also about her speech in Congress01:32:25
it is very important to remember because01:32:26
certain events did not happen01:32:28
only the truth is also one of my discoveries01:32:33
I think that our First Lady Ili on01:32:35
Zelensky is also one of the discoveries01:32:37
political discoveries01:32:39
2022 and she when the president could not01:32:42
leaving Ukraine also plays a huge role01:32:44
as a communicator as an authority01:32:47
representative of Ukraine working for our01:32:50
common victory therefore you always01:32:52
Thank you, we will definitely continue01:32:53
analyze these processes in reality01:32:55
it's actually interesting to be here and01:32:57
now and at the moments when I was born01:33:01
The New is already being born and continues01:33:03
history of Ukraine Even despite those01:33:05
tragic events that came to01:33:08
our houses on February 24, 2022 at the very01:33:11
in fact they came earlier in 201401:33:14
Vladimir Fisenko, a political scientist, was with us at01:33:16
communication we are dear friends for sure01:33:18
let's continue Sergey Chernyshov Leila Mamedova01:33:21
Stay with us and don't switch01:33:28
[music]01:33:33
there is rice skrepa for the letter B of the first skrepa01:33:37
They now have this BB which And three more01:33:41
letters in This01:33:43
vodka theft war is the only one01:33:47
staples that actually exist in01:33:49
Russia's voice of reason and conscience Andrey01:33:53
Orlov Russian poet Orlusha author of bright01:33:57
sarcastic pamphlets on topical issues01:34:00
topics in the interview series with saken01:34:03
Aimurzaev people of goodwill on Tuesday01:34:06
January 3 at 12.00 Kyiv time on01:34:11
Freedom TV channel01:34:13
[music]01:34:17
only he is worthy of life and freedom who01:34:21
every day Goethe goes to battle for them01:34:24
freedom Free your home01:34:40
dear friends, this is a series of programs that01:34:43
we have prepared for you to01:34:44
analyze and summarize certain01:34:46
results of 2022 about how it will be and01:34:50
predict 2020 third year01:34:52
develop in certain directions01:34:53
main theme This is a full-scale war01:34:56
Russian Federation against Ukraine but01:34:58
we also discuss what is happening01:35:00
the Russian Federation itself How life is01:35:03
we are definitely Russian oppositionists01:35:05
Today we will remember certain01:35:07
last names we'll talk about what01:35:09
unites, for example, Ilya Yashin and Alexey01:35:13
Gorinova we will not only use these names01:35:15
remember we will talk about how01:35:17
Russians can also stand by their word01:35:21
oppositionists Perhaps this is only possible01:35:22
what to do today while in exile because01:35:25
there are still chances that the votes01:35:27
can also be emitted by the Russian01:35:29
Federation we'll talk about it all today01:35:30
speak with Olga Romanova, director of the fund01:35:33
Sitting Rus' Olga Evgenievna01:35:35
Hello, welcome to you01:35:37
Hello01:35:39
there are really a lot of questions and01:35:42
I would like to discuss this with you and get it done01:35:44
do and draw some conclusions01:35:46
this is the record of punishments for01:35:48
for the last 10 years it was you who voiced this01:35:51
I’ll quote your thesis in Russia too01:35:54
this record number of political01:35:56
prisoners who are not welcome today01:35:57
to the authorities what this indicates and01:36:00
really February 24th because01:36:02
repression machine repressive it01:36:04
worked until February 24, 2022 but from01:36:07
February 24, 2022 We see that these01:36:11
the processes have worsened I would like01:36:13
hear your opinion and parallels01:36:15
certain to carry out how these processes01:36:16
took place until February 24 and how they01:36:19
changed after01:36:21
until February 24 they could say that in01:36:25
Something is happening in Russia01:36:27
more or less meaningful protests that01:36:33
people are somehow trying to get elected to01:36:35
municipal deputies somehow01:36:36
resist the authorities to do something01:36:39
some alternative01:36:41
I can't say what the sources of power are01:36:44
definitely not, but alternatives01:36:46
sources of power showed this at least01:36:49
elections for municipal deputies are now01:36:52
municipal deputies are basically all01:36:54
they really were the chosen ones01:36:55
effective They're all mostly gone01:36:57
Although some remain in Russia and01:37:00
this is their actual benefit directly01:37:04
after all, 75 is still catching up with us01:37:08
these municipal deputies01:37:10
selected protests signed01:37:12
letter demanding Putin's resignation01:37:15
for example, now one of the municipal01:37:18
deputies of St. Petersburg01:37:21
sent demands from01:37:24
initiation of a criminal case against01:37:26
Putin because01:37:28
Putin said that there is a special01:37:31
war operation and war01:37:34
20,000 people received for this01:37:37
sentences were passed on February 2401:37:42
and all of them lost their Freedom 20 thousand01:37:46
these are those who were detained and in relation to01:37:49
which a report was drawn up and sent to01:37:51
courts and received different punishments from01:37:54
fines up to several days two weeks01:37:58
30 days01:38:00
special detention center Well, many like Gorina01:38:05
Ilya Yashin received years therefore01:38:11
actual new criminal prosecution01:38:14
and the war, in principle, of course eliminated01:38:18
whether01:38:19
centers01:38:21
Russian protests organized01:38:24
protest, but the protest itself remained01:38:26
after all, 20 thousand people are in 10 years01:38:29
over the last 10 years this is a record01:38:32
number of arrests and of course this01:38:34
completely different conditions01:38:37
pre-war conditions are much more severe01:38:39
so of course these 20,000 seem to be01:38:44
a little but firstly they were detained and not those01:38:47
who came out more01:38:50
and secondly of course01:38:53
and Detention and punishment are much harsher01:38:58
and these 20 thousand of course include01:39:03
left mostly people who01:39:05
remain in Russia and are still ready01:39:09
resist and will resist I01:39:12
I would also like to mention someone already01:39:16
called yes what is well known01:39:18
let's say Russian political prisoners01:39:20
as Alexey Navalny Andrey Pivovarov01:39:22
Vladimir Kara Murza Jr. Or already01:39:24
those you mentioned, including Ilya Yashin and01:39:26
Alexei Gorina is given enough attention to him01:39:28
a lot of attention and01:39:30
even in Russian obscene Yes01:39:33
segment of the Internet even in Western01:39:35
press in according to01:39:39
Voice of America troops America is here in01:39:42
in particular you are quoted as saying that the record01:39:44
punishments over the past 10 years are those01:39:47
whom we don’t know how many there are How01:39:51
Even I would evaluate this anti-record in general01:39:53
he was called punishment for the last 10 years01:39:58
you know the record record punishment Yes01:40:00
us number of finger prisoners is growing01:40:03
every day but the thing is that also01:40:06
the quality of political prisoners changes If01:40:09
still up to now01:40:12
20 second year memorial which is now01:40:16
officially cannot count in Russia01:40:19
finger prisoner does it01:40:22
this memorial at the end of last year01:40:26
there were more than 400 political prisoners, but from01:40:29
the vast majority of them are01:40:31
Jehovah witnesses01:40:33
Tahir and in general this01:40:37
adherents of one or another religious01:40:40
currents that are generally quite peaceful01:40:42
we understand this is very peaceful for example01:40:45
a current that comes from some kind of hell Yes, here it is01:40:48
Russian authorities believe01:40:49
terribly dangerous and naturally everything01:40:53
narrow01:40:55
and in the twenty-second year of course01:40:57
quality finger prisoners sharply01:40:59
changed It's now of course one hundred01:41:02
percent almost one hundred percent01:41:05
people who are completely convicted01:41:07
new criminal article01:41:10
207.3 of the Criminal Code for this01:41:13
so-called fakes about the war01:41:14
spreading fake news about the war and this is in01:41:18
including, for example, in recent days01:41:21
old year, a 60-year-old was convicted01:41:25
fireman from01:41:28
Vologda region which01:41:30
broadcast in my attic made01:41:32
radio station and it’s just that he didn’t broadcast it himself, but01:41:35
how to cryptopost youtube channel releases01:41:40
and actually they probably listened to him01:41:46
that FSB officers are nevertheless now01:41:48
Now01:41:50
he became famous and01:41:54
what I want to say is that for example if you come in01:41:57
in the Facebook group she is so very01:41:59
it's a long time ago it's very good01:42:01
called fairy tales for political prisoners and01:42:05
there every year every day in these01:42:07
new tales of prisoners are published01:42:09
new letters01:42:11
With01:42:14
correspondence with01:42:16
political prisoners who have not yet01:42:19
convicted, such as Dmitry Ivanov01:42:22
head of the protest Moscow State University01:42:25
with many, many other prisoners01:42:28
Whose names are not heard precisely because01:42:31
there are really a lot of them and01:42:34
there are not enough lawyers and01:42:37
muscles in their mood were remembered by these01:42:40
it would seem necessary Ivanov01:42:43
at night common Russian01:42:45
surname01:42:47
we know that there are a lot of people sitting in St. Petersburg01:42:51
activists who were glued there01:42:54
scammers and that was at the very beginning01:42:58
wars and01:43:01
even downloaded it is still sitting and she is clearly01:43:05
will unfortunately be completely condemned01:43:09
in every city in a major city there is01:43:13
and in a small town there are new ones01:43:17
finger prisoners but I still01:43:19
I want to encourage01:43:22
see more of those who are boarding Now in01:43:27
prison on charges of extremism in01:43:29
terrorism in treason Motherland01:43:32
For example, Vladimir Kara Murza and01:43:35
in fact, there are still enough people with01:43:37
Ukrainian passport01:43:38
or Ukrainian origin01:43:41
simply because the FSB needs to report01:43:44
about the fact that there are terrorists all around01:43:47
bombers are all around, all around and01:43:51
there are enough people who are very little alike01:43:53
on terro and podrovnyaki or traitors01:43:57
Homeland or spies and so on just01:44:01
it's completely clear that01:44:04
Russian security forces do not want to go to01:44:07
war they don’t want to be mobilized but for01:44:10
this needs to be shown sharply01:44:13
need within the country for this01:44:15
need to talk as many spies as possible01:44:16
traitors to the Motherland and these01:44:21
manufacturers with01:44:23
about the war and their Russian troops01:44:27
condition and so on so on this01:44:28
this is a two-way process with one01:44:31
parties really People come out and01:44:33
people post and people protest01:44:36
against war01:44:37
on the other hand, the security forces are scared01:44:40
beneficial because it allows them not01:44:43
go to war and refuse Putin01:44:46
actually necessary here inside01:44:48
I want to ask you Olga Evgenievna so01:44:50
I specifically said at the beginning that well01:44:52
Russian oppositionists today01:44:53
free to criticize policies01:44:55
the Kremlin is only possible in immigration, but this01:44:57
was such a non-statement so you know and01:44:58
statement but also somewhere a question01:45:00
I still want to remember that in July01:45:02
of the outgoing year, by virtue of the amendments were01:45:04
introduced into the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation01:45:06
Federation where it really was Well01:45:09
toughening of a number of articles has been introduced just01:45:11
concerning security threats01:45:12
states I want to quote in01:45:14
article on cooperation with undesirables01:45:16
organizations impose a ban on such01:45:19
cooperation for Russian citizens01:45:20
regardless of where they live01:45:24
do you think articles like this01:45:26
will they lead to a decrease01:45:28
criticism of both Russian authorities and criticism01:45:30
Kremlin policies even while in01:45:32
emigration from Russians01:45:34
oppositionists What do you think01:45:36
no Well of course not You know I want01:45:40
draw your attention to the fact that so far01:45:43
until the age of 22, for example, after all01:45:47
was not accepted publicly01:45:50
call upon01:45:52
Death is still on Putin's head01:45:54
it hasn't happened since it was 22 years old so he died Yes it is01:45:57
something completely ordinary01:46:00
reaction usually I don’t know there’s an ordinary toast01:46:04
wishes content for New Year's Eve01:46:07
Meme Yes, let him die and like Santa Claus01:46:10
says my God I'm not a Killer yes Well01:46:13
it has to be uh and of course01:46:16
very strong rhetoric has tightened though01:46:19
because01:46:21
it was possible somehow still01:46:23
there to criticize to be dissatisfied01:46:26
to be indignant but now this is not enough now01:46:29
this is not enough because we see in front01:46:32
we see a cannibal in front of us01:46:34
crazy maniac01:46:36
but a very dangerous one who is ready to break01:46:38
the whole world for the sake of not entering01:46:43
history books because he doesn't01:46:44
I would like to but it’s too late so01:46:49
the rhetoric has become much much harsher01:46:52
she became much freer completely01:46:54
another and01:46:58
In general, we stopped01:47:01
avoid01:47:03
unnamed thoughts01:47:06
there everyone thinks something to themselves Well01:47:09
seems like it's not a good idea to talk about it01:47:10
decent And now he should die01:47:13
yes yes video of suffering torment01:47:18
Ukraine and Ukrainians and heroic01:47:21
resistance and absolutely01:47:23
[music]01:47:26
monstrous monstrous atrocities and01:47:30
monstrously cynicism01:47:32
Russian army on criminal mercenaries01:47:35
in Ukraine you just want to call them yours01:47:38
names Evgeniy What do you think01:47:40
after all, for the Kremlin, by and large01:47:43
is there a big difference between01:47:46
because the person who expressed his01:47:48
Yes Anti military left a strong position01:47:51
country What is more important managed to squeeze him out01:47:54
either he was imprisoned or it doesn’t matter here for01:47:56
The main thing for the Kremlin is to squeeze this out01:47:58
a person and his thoughts and what sounds from01:48:00
it’s easy to squeeze him out of Russian01:48:02
space What do you think01:48:04
Yes it is very important to look very important01:48:06
shut up01:48:07
shut up Yashin shut up Roizman for us01:48:11
of course Everyone on Twitter is sorely missing01:48:13
famous replays01:48:15
Roizman who seems to be with one01:48:17
sides not planted not squeezed out but not01:48:20
has the right to open the mouth has the right01:48:22
it is very important to speak out01:48:25
information space and this01:48:27
of course it happens much tougher when01:48:29
a man is imprisoned and yet freer01:48:32
when it is much freer when a person01:48:35
he is leaving but at the same time he is for the Kremlin01:48:37
ceases to exist in the information01:48:40
space is also still important01:48:44
factor we see how they develop after all01:48:47
independent channels including YouTube01:48:49
channels01:48:50
Russian Russian speakers01:48:53
very different very different in rhetoric but01:48:57
they are all absolutely absolutely01:48:59
opposition anti-Putin and01:49:04
Well, in general, the meaning of squeezing is01:49:07
there's not much besides what it is01:49:09
old old Putin tactics what?01:49:13
From Russia, do what you want next. Bye01:49:15
this is how Putin will start to destroy01:49:19
destroy01:49:21
talking people physically I think that01:49:25
he has no time for us now, no time for that. What if01:49:27
it will be when there is no time for it, it will be there01:49:29
plug in another way and also Olga01:49:33
Evgenievna I'm looking through yours carefully01:49:35
comments for you America you01:49:38
remind you that now the most often01:49:40
applicable article in Russia political01:49:42
Article Yes of the Criminal Code is01:49:45
public distribution knowingly01:49:47
false usage information01:49:48
Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Well01:49:50
just his speeches are called the law for fakes01:49:53
Russian army and you remember what01:49:56
Lyu Yashin was just sentenced to 8.5 years01:49:59
exactly according to this article but you still01:50:01
you have time here and it’s sad to joke everything01:50:04
articles providing for criminal01:50:06
responsibility for political01:50:07
activity is either old or not yet01:50:10
used to evade mobilization01:50:12
and LGBT Propaganda I think this is for all of us01:50:16
for the New Year So you concluded01:50:19
your reasoning But despite the sad01:50:22
humor I understand that in 202301:50:26
repressions will continue more and more01:50:28
new unique articles or old ones01:50:31
but no less unique articles01:50:33
two days ago01:50:39
the form has entered into force01:50:41
was rendered until it entered into01:50:43
legal force precisely by evasion01:50:45
mobilization it started it started but01:50:49
I think he will enter while this is the verdict I01:50:53
I would say affectionate and we are not yet01:50:57
We understand how it will probably end01:51:00
he will end up with a suspended sentence01:51:02
will end in a year or two after all What01:51:05
much better than giving uh your life01:51:08
in Ukraine, at the same time, God forbid Yes01:51:11
take with you a few more Ukrainian01:51:12
lives and just more honestly and sit down01:51:16
prison Well, as long as it's not eight or 1001:51:20
years Well, in general it has begun01:51:21
evasion01:51:23
mobilizations began slowly01:51:27
sentences are passed while I am affectionate01:51:30
I thought GPT Propaganda would also begin01:51:32
Of course, now it’s palpable01:51:36
ground about01:51:39
start the property of those who left and not01:51:42
shut up01:51:43
So far this is not very recognized01:51:47
constitutional but I think that too01:51:49
next year that you will be very01:51:52
a sign of constitutionality and everything is in order01:51:54
I think it's such a scarecrow because01:51:58
that for example some of mine For example01:52:02
property01:52:03
no more money will be added to the Russian budget01:52:06
that is, these are all such internal things and01:52:11
so I think it's sure01:52:15
unpleasant but01:52:17
it is absolutely clear that those who left01:52:19
oppositional today may01:52:21
use none of your property01:52:24
inside Russia Yes, of course not to sell, but01:52:26
and such time cannot be taken away from01:52:28
You can’t use yourself Well, okay Well01:52:31
listen life is long and there will be more01:52:35
more interests win in the end01:52:38
regime in order to return there or not01:52:41
return but in the end really01:52:42
to hell with it how much01:52:45
property doesn't matter, but everyone loses01:52:49
day Ukrainians are losing their lives. We are still especially01:52:52
No01:52:53
this is much more important but that is01:52:56
repressive things Of course there will be01:52:58
to advance little by little, you know that I01:53:01
I think I think in twenty-three01:53:02
at least it will arise again next year01:53:05
discussion Or maybe not anymore01:53:07
discussion about the return of a mortal01:53:10
executions from temperature to death penalty01:53:12
actually nothing holds you back from this anymore01:53:15
Let me also remind you that just before every01:53:17
year01:53:18
behind01:53:21
crime related there I don't know with01:53:24
participation in01:53:26
for example in terrorism here01:53:30
introduced in Russia01:53:33
life imprisonment So that's it01:53:36
is gradually getting tougher But these are01:53:39
extremist terrorist01:53:41
we still see the articles as01:53:45
they prove they don’t prove it at all01:53:47
no way that's why they just wanted it here01:53:50
life will be life like ours01:53:52
unfortunately there are already a lot of cases01:53:55
life sentence01:53:57
very, very01:54:00
little evidence so that's it01:54:03
is gradually becoming tougher and will01:54:05
tighten and there will be no turning point01:54:10
for she will never be again01:54:13
under the current government Therefore, simply01:54:16
I would just like to bring it closer01:54:19
end of the regime and see what happens next01:54:22
I don't think it will be good anymore because01:54:24
that in any case in any case Russia01:54:26
waiting for reparations in any case to Russia01:54:29
waiting for very long sanctions in any case01:54:33
the sooner this comes, the less we have01:54:37
there will be losses both here and there01:54:40
let's expand on this topic further01:54:42
the question that Mine drew for you01:54:44
colleague Sergey I want to ask you01:54:46
Let's assume 2023 times we are already with01:54:49
you looked into the future and how it will be01:54:51
let's change this situation01:54:54
let's predict the situation as an option I don't01:54:56
I approve but as an option01:54:57
the future in the Russian Federation is in question01:55:00
dissent if, after all, the Kremlin is Putin01:55:04
loses the war but does not leave power01:55:07
Then what will be the price for thoughts in01:55:10
Russian Federation and how much01:55:12
this is a loss for Putin himself and01:55:15
for the Kremlin may result in tough01:55:18
negatively on those who will manifest01:55:19
at least a minimal dose of dissent in01:55:22
Russian Federation01:55:23
but you know it seems to me that01:55:26
if the Kremlin loses the war I think that01:55:29
word if there is extra cream of course01:55:30
will lose the war, well this can’t happen01:55:33
to01:55:34
Ukraine that is supported by everyone01:55:36
peace so that Ukraine loses the war01:55:39
it's not like that, it can't be that's why01:55:42
The Kremlin will certainly lose anyway01:55:44
And if at the same time Putin remains in power01:55:47
then two things will be completely obvious01:55:50
the first thing is he never admits that01:55:53
lost and there will be some other criminal case01:55:56
fake article01:56:00
Putin's victory in the war or fakes there for01:56:04
the fact that Victory is not recognized and of course uh01:56:09
all evil will be unleashed on dissidents01:56:12
and the fistulas will be the same, they won’t be the same01:56:14
so that for example for Ukrainian or01:56:18
anti-Putin it will just be01:56:20
some other dissent01:56:23
for example the mothers who perform there01:56:26
against not against even mobilization but those01:56:30
which want01:56:32
boots for the mobilized it will be01:56:35
recognized as dissent or dissent01:56:38
were found to not know sedation on01:56:40
Poverty for high prices01:56:43
and so on and so on This will be it01:56:46
it will be dissent that will already be fought01:56:47
with those who don't like something01:56:51
and about what you say the recipe is yours I01:56:54
I also read the main thing that is possible. Well01:56:56
the main thing that can be done at this time01:56:58
moment to give to people who01:57:00
the victims who were convicted turns out to be01:57:03
legal assistance for these people01:57:04
We see legal support as01:57:07
Alexey fights through his lawyers01:57:09
Navalny, for example, speaks and you Yes, if01:57:11
Previously this was done for transmission to01:57:13
European Court of Human Rights01:57:15
now done for later well on my own01:57:17
I’ll add that Russia decided that01:57:19
The European Court of Human Rights does not01:57:21
parliamentary decree of the Council of Europe01:57:24
not available Yes, accordingly Russian01:57:26
The Constitution is above all for the Kremlin01:57:29
not some kind of espl uh here I would like01:57:32
understand how much she then you01:57:35
you know, you're saying this is done for later01:57:36
for when for later and now it’s beating01:57:39
Alexey Navalny through his lawyers01:57:40
but in essence this situation changes little01:57:45
the situation will change little but here01:57:47
there are a few things Yes we are at least through01:57:50
lawyers know what's going on01:57:51
with a person we know what happens to01:57:53
Navalny, we now know what’s going on01:57:55
with Ilya Yashin who was transferred01:57:57
in the Udmurtia pre-trial detention center Not because there will be01:58:00
serve time but because it turned out that01:58:03
there is no place for him in Moscow, but he still has01:58:05
the verdict did not enter into legal force and we01:58:07
at least we understand what is happening and where01:58:09
thanks to the lawyers, that's not even the case01:58:12
the thing is that you and I understand that well01:58:15
the Nuremberg trials are inevitable01:58:17
inevitable Will it be in The Hague Will it be in01:58:20
Kyiv will he be in Moscow or St. Petersburg01:58:23
and here is the tribunal over the uh current ones Yes01:58:27
fascist criminals who01:58:29
actually have Russian passports and01:58:30
Russian surnames01:58:32
I mean first of all Putin's01:58:34
clique it is of course inevitable in any01:58:37
case and on these01:58:40
processes, of course, will be needed in any01:58:42
case as we know we are not rebbesky01:58:46
about 70-80 years ago what are needed01:58:49
will be needed including01:58:52
legal01:58:54
legal very strong evidence01:58:56
because we remember that01:59:00
fascist criminals they said01:59:02
as if it weren't our fault we did it01:59:05
these were the laws and that's how we are01:59:08
followed the laws and that’s why it’s like this now01:59:11
important to record for01:59:14
political prisoners And not only for01:59:16
political prisoners what is happening in that01:59:19
including in Russian courts Because01:59:21
it doesn't even match the existing ones01:59:23
crocodile law Why these01:59:26
Why do crocodile laws exist?01:59:27
you didn't fight if you also fought a lot01:59:31
times filed with the Constitutional Court and01:59:34
head of the custom court zorkin who01:59:36
for example, stands for the Return01:59:38
serfdom in Russia official01:59:40
Return of serfdom in Russia01:59:42
it fails at the level01:59:45
reviewing laws in general, that is, attempts01:59:48
there were and are such attempts, well01:59:51
plus everything is completely illegal01:59:54
laws outside the legal law yet01:59:56
they judge people anyway01:59:57
will be useful for01:59:59
future tribunal which we are with you02:00:02
we know perfectly well it is inevitable it will be02:00:05
any any legal now02:00:09
the job is very important for this you know02:00:12
was like that02:00:14
young judge He is a very popular judge02:00:18
was a member of the Socialist Party02:00:20
Conord Morgen Congress Morgen was02:00:22
famous for being 30 years old02:00:25
he made his career under the Nazis02:00:27
He planted02:00:29
the head of Buchenwald, Koch himself, and02:00:33
his famous wife Elsa Koch Yes Ludoe02:00:35
so January He did this at02:00:37
fascists and he spoke02:00:40
witness in a children's trial as a judge02:00:43
like a person who02:00:45
case prepared legal documents02:00:47
he himself was a Nazi, not that he himself02:00:51
justified, said that he didn’t see02:00:53
nothing terrible like Buchenwald but02:00:56
he had documents about what was there02:00:58
these documents happened anyway02:01:01
formed the basis for the sentences of many02:01:04
fascist criminals and therefore everything02:01:07
lyrical things Whoever they are going to02:01:09
as if whenever they gather02:01:16
Thank you very much Olga Evgenievna for02:01:19
this is communication for your comments even for02:01:23
sad humor and forecasts Olga Romanova02:01:26
the director of the fund was just sitting02:01:29
with us on the air, well, we will continue02:01:31
We will definitely analyze these02:01:33
processes that took place in 202202:01:36
very difficult and difficult and cruel but02:01:39
We will also talk about forecasts for 202302:01:41
year the year of the Victory of Ukraine in this cruel02:01:44
the war which continued in 201402:01:47
continued by the Russian Federation in 202002:01:49
second year to you, dear friends02:01:51
We invite you to join us02:01:52
analyze these processes together02:01:54
take a little look into the future02:01:56
it will be an information marathon02:01:58
TVDom we will continue02:02:06
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the time of the vile and terrible war is 20 o'clock02:02:16
there were explosions there were bombs throughout the day02:02:19
air raids air strikes testing time and02:02:22
real discoveries are very difficult to leave behind02:02:25
home is all that most Kazakhs have acquired02:02:28
they adhere to the Ukrainian position02:02:30
time of struggle and Faith in Victory all ours02:02:34
life I was a farmer this is our Earth02:02:37
truly historical time no one02:02:40
does not want to cooperate with Russia after02:02:41
of this terror in Ukraine documentary02:02:44
movies from now on weekdays02:02:47
14.00 Kyiv time on TV channel02:02:50
Freedom02:02:52
Russia's wars of conquest are always02:02:55
brought her to disaster02:02:58
[music]02:02:59
the Russo-Japanese War of 1904 is02:03:03
humiliating defeats and revolution of 190502:03:07
the year World War I 1914 is02:03:12
million losses and the collapse of the Russian02:03:14
empire in the seventeenth year of invasion02:03:18
Afghanistan02:03:19
1979 one of the main reasons for the collapse02:03:23
Soviet Union in ninety-one02:03:26
24 February02:03:29
2022 Russia invades Ukraine02:03:39
what awaits her next?02:03:56
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Well, then we will continue to talk in02:04:05
the topic of how to generally talk to02:04:08
close ones who have become one way or another02:04:09
victims of Russian propaganda Let's start with02:04:12
what is the correct way to write about02:04:14
mobilization just such a manual02:04:16
received Russian state and02:04:18
pro-government media02:04:19
what the jellyfish reports with reference to02:04:22
document that was available02:04:23
the edition's instructions say that02:04:25
Russia won the wars only to everyone02:04:29
world when its inhabitants believed that it was coming02:04:31
The People's War and therefore it is important for Russians02:04:34
convey a thesis and the need to unite02:04:36
facing the threat of NATO which intends02:04:39
it is also proposed to plunder Russia02:04:42
explain the mass sending of people to02:04:45
front shelling of border areas02:04:46
Russian Federation occupied Crimea02:04:49
In addition, the manual recommends02:04:51
focus on the fact that Putin02:04:54
announced mobilization at exactly that moment02:04:55
when She is needed and allows02:04:57
significantly enhance Russia's achievements02:05:00
goals of the special operation Let's02:05:03
let's see in more detail02:05:04
first full-scale aggression against02:05:07
Ukraine, Russia actively began to strengthen02:05:09
Propaganda on national television and02:05:12
invented new myths about Ukraine to02:05:14
justify the occupation, rocket attacks and02:05:17
destruction of peaceful Ukrainian02:05:18
population and many indeed02:05:20
hated Ukrainians02:05:25
propagandists assured that in Ukraine02:05:27
there is a dangerous biological laboratory02:05:30
which sponsors the West or that Kyiv02:05:32
intends to use this against Russia02:05:34
they tried a dirty bomb02:05:37
promote the maximum thesis about02:05:39
after all, these biological laboratories where02:05:41
some kind of preparation was already being made02:05:43
virus pro for attacking territory02:05:45
Russian Federation they had02:05:47
certain period of several weeks02:05:49
when this topic just didn't go away02:05:51
screen TVs like this one02:05:53
dirty bomb this idea is also02:05:57
I was born relatively recently02:05:58
I think this was due to the fact that they02:06:01
some short period of time02:06:03
controlled Chernobyl02:06:04
power plant now02:06:06
controls Zaporozhian there on02:06:08
they just needed a power plant02:06:09
some reason or some You know, well02:06:12
some idea in case02:06:14
catastrophe that could happen02:06:16
their fault and the risks remain sufficient02:06:18
high as of today blame02:06:21
this is all directly to Ukraine But02:06:23
the more Russia suffers defeat02:06:25
the battlefield justifies sophistication02:06:27
unable to admit my own lies02:06:29
advantage of the Ukrainian army02:06:31
propagandists began to declare what the02:06:33
Tens of thousands of foreigners are fighting in Ukraine02:06:35
mercenaries NATO fighters and no one02:06:38
I was counting on such a big war02:06:40
world no one proceeded from the fact that everything02:06:43
50 countries sorry jargon is written for02:06:48
Ukraine and our army is not small02:06:51
designed for the same question02:06:55
Russian Propaganda played against02:06:57
of Russia itself the majority of citizens02:06:59
believed that the world was afraid of them and Kyiv could02:07:02
take three days but in reality Russian02:07:04
forced to run to publish earlier02:07:07
occupied territories 15 at least02:07:09
for years they were told that we are in trouble02:07:12
what a strong army these showed02:07:14
parades on Red Square with a tank02:07:16
armata which really stalled there when02:07:18
in reality everything turned out completely02:07:20
in a different way in on the one hand in02:07:22
cognitive dissonance and confusion02:07:24
turned out to be the population and the propagandists themselves02:07:27
found yourself in a certain place02:07:28
ideological vacuum because they are not02:07:30
received some new training manuals What02:07:32
now do how now explain these02:07:34
the manuals came with a certain02:07:36
being late and the arguments that they02:07:39
now the lead is quite weak02:07:40
arguments for total censorship of the Kremlin in02:07:43
information space has increased even more02:07:45
more first wars alternative02:07:47
information channels where else possible02:07:49
find out the truth about the events in Ukraine and02:07:51
world in Russia are practically destroyed02:07:53
just out of stupidity and misunderstanding of Putin02:07:57
how the internet still works02:08:00
there is a lot of free and02:08:02
critical information via YouTube02:08:05
and thanks to this people02:08:08
capable at least a little bit02:08:10
think critically and understand what is needed02:08:12
they are an alternative source of information02:08:14
they use it and see something completely different02:08:16
picture of the world by the way such people in02:08:18
in absolute numbers there’s almost a lot there02:08:21
more than 20 million02:08:23
For all questions people are people in02:08:26
mostly young people who are not at all02:08:28
I like this war that everyone condemns02:08:30
what Putin is doing Russian Propaganda02:08:33
not only misleads citizens02:08:35
In Russia it is also changing the structure02:08:37
society divides him back and against02:08:39
What leads to the breakdown of social connections02:08:42
and conflict works especially well02:08:44
Vlad Surka experts say on social networks02:08:48
on Freedom TV channel02:08:50
Well, dear friends, Russian Propaganda02:08:52
she was always distinguished by her scale02:08:54
mass popularity it was always a lie Expensive02:08:57
it has always been because money is always02:08:59
they poured into it and it’s the absolute Truth Well02:09:03
and so02:09:04
the main element of propaganda is always02:09:07
hatred talks about this very often and02:09:09
historian Tamara Edelman hatred02:09:11
hate hate it three times it02:09:12
repeats and unfortunately this works and02:09:15
worked for Russian consumer How02:09:18
This story has changed Here it is first02:09:20
because the Russian invasion is large-scale02:09:22
Federations in Ukraine Has it changed at all?02:09:24
we will now discuss this in the same way as02:09:26
one of the questions with our guest Ilya02:09:29
Vinyavkin historian communications trainer02:09:31
Ilya is in touch with us. Greetings.02:09:33
Hello02:09:35
we'll talk Ilya a little later about how02:09:38
talk to relatives who02:09:40
Well, after all, we were so saturated and absorbed02:09:43
yourself Russian Propaganda and Is it worth it?02:09:45
talk to them Maybe for some time02:09:47
time to pause and stop communicating02:09:49
maybe it will be too, but if we are talking about02:09:52
Russian propaganda how it has changed02:09:53
and Has it changed from February 24th to02:09:56
your opinion02:10:00
I'll say right away that I02:10:02
I try not to watch her too much02:10:06
there is always enough mental strength02:10:10
health but it is definitely changing02:10:12
the set of some basic02:10:15
messages, that is, in the video about it02:10:18
they said that02:10:19
Propaganda must adapt because02:10:21
what's happening at the front suggests02:10:23
new versions of events but the main one02:10:25
the picture doesn't seem to have changed02:10:28
there are enemies there is we this status she02:10:33
still divides the world into ours and not ours02:10:36
and creates a picture in which02:10:39
the only way to somehow survive02:10:42
Russians need to defeat these evil ones02:10:45
that means Ukrainians. And for this you need02:10:49
make every effort, that is, she02:10:50
still performs the main role02:10:53
it divides people into strangers and02:10:56
show that there are no other ways02:10:59
except to introduce this war before02:11:02
complete destruction02:11:04
I'm always really surprised02:11:07
in fact, I never cease to be amazed though02:11:08
It's probably time to accept it a long time ago02:11:11
this is a fact, but it’s in the minds of all people02:11:15
who remain in Russia who do not02:11:16
the majority left one way or another. More precisely02:11:19
not everyone But the majority How can you drive02:11:21
these postulates of propaganda which themselves02:11:24
pure Orwell contradict themselves in places02:11:27
Is it really so Hmm audience so02:11:31
influenced by TV and in general02:11:34
does not understand any alternative02:11:37
ways and opportunities to look with02:11:41
on the other hand Well, this is it after all02:11:43
not the Soviet Union where there were two channels Well02:11:46
and in Ukraine there are three and there the first second one02:11:50
T1 and everything and newspapers Do you have02:11:53
exclusively Soviet But there are02:11:55
alternative sources of information Well02:11:58
is it really like that for everyone?02:12:00
too lazy or too lazy02:12:02
society is underdeveloped and cannot02:12:04
use other methods there02:12:06
getting information what the problem is02:12:10
I have here Probably the answer for you02:12:13
rather not some not very joyful02:12:17
here rather I was thinking about where it came from02:12:20
we generally have an idea that02:12:22
the truth matters so much02:12:25
But we saw, for example, in the situation with02:12:28
to the view When02:12:30
did not have02:12:32
such a situation when you have02:12:35
dictatorship or you have powerful censorship02:12:39
no you in the whole world there was a situation when02:12:44
verified sources of information were02:12:46
some kind02:12:47
scientific consensus and everything was very much02:12:50
millions of people in different countries02:12:51
which some denied, that is02:12:53
It was obvious that it was not enough for them02:12:56
objective knowledge and it seems to me that02:13:00
your there is a certain percentage of people who02:13:03
figure it out themselves02:13:06
that's generally how it works02:13:09
not everywhere, on the contrary, it often happens that02:13:12
people who02:13:13
critical thinking, on the contrary, they can02:13:17
fall into some kind of conspiracy theory and02:13:19
create a picture of the world in which everything is like02:13:22
would not be as it is simply because they02:13:25
on the contrary, they strive to be somehow complex02:13:27
explanation in reality and it seems to me02:13:30
here's the thing we're dealing with02:13:33
it is simple. What is very often important to people02:13:36
not what really happened02:13:39
some kind of truth And relationships are important to them02:13:43
the answer to the question Who are they and if I am important?02:13:47
I live in what town is everything around me02:13:50
believe or at least publicly believe02:13:54
then what02:13:55
Russia has every reason to fight with02:13:59
Ukraine next question is who do I want?02:14:03
feel different if I am now02:14:05
I admit, all this has no meaning02:14:06
sense I need02:14:09
Well, how can I live in some other life?02:14:11
it needs to be changed and this is more a question about02:14:14
then if these people have a choice02:14:18
will they bear a different reality if I02:14:21
I live and then I understand that all this is all this02:14:23
lies All this is wrong with me02:14:25
the opportunity to live some other life and02:14:28
seems more like this is part of what02:14:32
communities or communities always feel02:14:34
and what are ours02:14:36
opportunities and because very few people02:14:40
ready to choose the truth in this situation02:14:43
say ok even if it's around me02:14:46
there is no one Do you even think so?02:14:47
if there is no way to change02:14:49
my life I still think that uh02:14:52
It means the truth is that she is not what they say02:14:57
proposal that we are with you now02:14:59
discussing But what actually happened02:15:01
in fact This is a Russian factory of lies02:15:03
fakes Yes, which were spread there02:15:06
same time and Russian Propaganda02:15:08
now Well, let's say this personally for those who02:15:12
voiced02:15:14
certain stories from the Factory02:15:16
lies they now they come first02:15:20
losses Yes, because this is the story02:15:22
associated, for example, with the triumph of the Russian02:15:24
army quick to fleeting which was02:15:27
there 10 months and the day before February 2402:15:30
what has she turned into now?02:15:32
you have to search somehow02:15:34
alternative answers to that02:15:36
what's going on anyway02:15:37
certain settlements and so on02:15:39
further and so on and are02:15:41
definite answers Yes, that's how we are02:15:42
heard from02:15:44
Skabeeva but who knew that 50 countries02:15:47
will be on the side and will help02:15:48
Ukraine But we didn’t know and who knew02:15:51
that we have such a small army like her02:15:53
says, well, that is, he’s talking now02:15:56
about the fact that we are actually nothing02:15:58
knew but here is the history of ignorance leads02:16:00
to the fact that the factory of lies is expanding and02:16:03
here are the participants themselves now02:16:05
somehow this factory has to02:16:07
turn lies inside out and02:16:09
differently and perhaps in connection with this02:16:11
There is information that in 2023, that is, already in02:16:14
next year, here they are02:16:17
political shows will even be removed from02:16:19
ethers What do you think about this?02:16:23
I02:16:25
I don’t know where this information comes from02:16:28
it seems like political shows are off the air02:16:30
carry here02:16:33
they work and work quite successfully02:16:38
at least02:16:41
They're already used to it02:16:44
adapt02:16:46
reality the task of such really02:16:49
constantly producing ways of thinking and02:16:53
talk about events because it’s profitable02:16:55
authorities therefore02:16:57
I think this is just for people like this02:17:01
this kind of normal02:17:03
their task is to pretend02:17:06
that everything happens the way it should be and02:17:09
these are the explanations they offer Well02:17:11
again, we still proceed from the fact that02:17:13
most people who watch this02:17:15
they don't have analytics02:17:18
how would we02:17:20
it wasn't bad because of it02:17:23
In general, it’s not like they don’t sit and think02:17:26
all the time about the war and about Ukraine02:17:29
So they hear a certain amount02:17:31
explanations Further they can after all02:17:33
inconsistency but they probably have everything02:17:36
a picture unfolds of what's in the depths02:17:38
deep down we still do everything anyway02:17:41
right, well, then some arguments02:17:43
they are from TV02:17:46
TV dials anyway02:17:49
a situation in which there is some kind of02:17:51
objective reality or truth02:17:53
the reality of propaganda breaks and02:17:55
propaganda stops working for me02:17:57
it seems that uh this is impossible02:18:00
for something to happen you need to02:18:03
of people02:18:04
there was some opportunity for something02:18:06
make some choice which02:18:09
contradicted what propaganda02:18:11
offer you know I in addition02:18:14
I just listened carefully to the question02:18:17
Leila and remembered such a common one already02:18:20
joke which is such a sad joke02:18:23
may be far from a joke but what when02:18:26
Russia tells other countries So you tell us02:18:28
promised not to interfere with the Ukrainian issue. And you02:18:31
Now you support Ukraine in every possible way02:18:34
financial weapons and so on02:18:35
other countries say you are like that02:18:37
They promised that everything would be over in three days02:18:38
Ukraine survived, we had to continue02:18:40
reply02:18:41
So about the influence of Russia in general02:18:45
in the world, I remind you that the European Union02:18:47
agreed upon ninth package of sanctions02:18:49
introduced a limit against four02:18:51
Russian channels in EU countries02:18:53
in particular, broadcasting licenses were lost02:18:55
Channel One and Russia 1 Ren TV NTV02:19:00
and NTV Mir now we can listen02:19:02
quote and continue02:19:08
Well, actually I think that the quotes are not02:19:12
need to02:19:13
said everything that was important in the ninth02:19:16
package by channels I remembered by02:19:20
United States often02:19:23
I had to communicate, let's say there is a radio02:19:25
for emigrants who arrived02:19:27
completely from different countries of the former Union02:19:30
Yes there are and there are Russians there and uh02:19:34
representatives of Moldova and so on02:19:36
which Well Listening anyway What02:19:38
happens in Ukraine and so many E02:19:41
can't convince Here they are02:19:44
live in the States but at the same time they are in the region02:19:47
support, for example, Putin and there02:19:49
special military operation What is it like?02:19:51
calls Yes it is actually called This02:19:53
war uh where does it come from then?02:19:57
it seems to me that then02:19:59
Germany France Believe me, it’s exactly the same there02:20:02
yes in Italy yes02:20:05
Well, let’s say even if all of these were banned02:20:08
channels anyway if a person wants02:20:10
receive information that he is accustomed to02:20:12
scabeeva he will still find it in any02:20:14
case, that is, the question is only personal02:20:16
likes For example, I lived in Sovetsky02:20:18
Union and was a pioneer respectively I02:20:21
I love Putin now Yes And I will continue to02:20:23
perceived only through the prism of Putin02:20:25
all of Russia, its actions in Ukraine and not well02:20:28
Actually then it’s not a matter of propaganda02:20:30
it turns out I understand correctly02:20:35
Propaganda creates a language and this02:20:38
argumentation system02:20:40
another thing02:20:41
This is how any media works02:20:47
we call propaganda rather those Media02:20:50
which deliberately distort02:20:54
some pictures of the world and02:20:57
the problem is that people choose one or the other02:21:00
a different picture of the world and a particular language02:21:02
explanation of what is happening not because02:21:05
that they have some kind of02:21:07
a tool that ideally allows02:21:09
determine where the truth is and where they are lies02:21:11
choose the picture of the world that is larger02:21:14
supports them more supports them02:21:16
understanding that someone is if you have02:21:19
there is an emigrant who came to America02:21:21
and thinks that he is Russian or there for him02:21:25
he will support with great02:21:28
there's a chance he could be behind that picture02:21:31
world which speaks of his homeland02:21:34
The great one does everything right and so on02:21:36
And for him this connection is more important to him02:21:38
because02:21:39
admit that this information is wrong02:21:42
for him will lead to what he should02:21:43
say that no, my homeland is not right or02:21:47
this is an important connection for me02:21:49
something wrong for people it’s hard02:21:52
That is, when they perceive02:21:55
information is important to them not what happened on02:21:57
in fact, it matters to them who they are in this02:21:59
moment it is important for them to understand how02:22:01
supports this identity and then02:22:03
There is02:22:04
and in this sense it’s just pure Truth02:22:07
pure information with this as it were02:22:10
can't cope02:22:12
we need to understand why this is so for people02:22:16
it's important to believe02:22:18
Ilya is not after all02:22:21
returning to where we started02:22:23
when we talked about the topic today02:22:25
we will discuss with you as a final02:22:27
because really 10 months For02:22:30
led to the breaking of ties for many families02:22:32
That's the name of the movie we're talking about, by the way.02:22:34
they once said very good things02:22:36
documentary films Real cinema02:22:37
I did it and you can see this material02:22:39
Andrey Loshak's film about the break in communication where02:22:42
really go and shown like this02:22:45
called as I always say02:22:46
testimony of mother and daughter02:22:49
who have completely different opinions02:22:51
Now I’ll just remind the audience Although02:22:53
I advise you to watch it because it’s beautiful02:22:55
the work of Andrey Loshak is both worthy and02:22:57
you need to watch this and see it02:22:59
How does a breakup actually happen?02:23:01
connections between generations And by the way not02:23:04
always often the younger generation yes there02:23:07
opposes the war and the eldest is for no02:23:09
absolutely not true And what's going on02:23:10
Russian families need this02:23:12
look and I’ll say this for the most part02:23:15
in their own a-a in families that are shown on02:23:19
in this film they stopped communicating with me02:23:22
I wanted to lead to this. Yes, he02:23:24
after all, there was a disconnection, so02:23:25
and the name is logical after all. Like you02:23:29
do you think it is necessary what I said in02:23:32
at the beginning I want it very carefully and02:23:34
tolerantly stop communication between02:23:36
relatives or somehow02:23:38
way especially now that it's passed02:23:40
certain time Yes, soon02:23:42
it'll be a year since this started02:23:44
full scale invasion on 24 February02:23:46
or after all, that’s when it passed02:23:48
a certain term is still necessary02:23:51
establish certain connections and02:23:53
try again to say that02:23:57
what is actually happening How to be in02:23:59
please tell me about this issue02:24:03
means how I look at it, it seems to me that02:24:07
Well, relationships with loved ones are great02:24:10
important thing for all of us yes And if you02:24:14
this relationship is breaking us02:24:16
suffer some important part of our02:24:18
life she turns out02:24:21
under attack so of course it seems to me02:24:24
that it is important to talk with loved ones02:24:30
what am I going to talk about now? This is not02:24:32
in general, talking to everyone is not about that02:24:36
how do we talk to people who02:24:37
our roads are very different from02:24:39
how to talk on Facebook02:24:41
or there with the people you02:24:44
just met and who believe in02:24:46
some nonsense If you have a loved one02:24:49
person and you think relationships with02:24:51
him Save what we have02:24:54
there are mainly models that02:24:58
help resolve such conflicts02:24:59
the only thing02:25:02
First of all, you need to admit to yourself that02:25:06
you have such a goal that you need these02:25:08
relationships are important what you want to try02:25:09
save them second you need to admit02:25:12
that it is difficult and painful for you02:25:14
it will take a lot of effort, I just can’t02:25:19
no one02:25:20
recommend now because there02:25:22
the first question to answer02:25:24
And if you have the strength now, you have enough02:25:27
subsequence02:25:29
calm energy and love02:25:32
waste time trying to talk to others02:25:35
a person clearly has a difficult time with this and02:25:39
a painful topic because it can02:25:40
happen that it will become even worse if02:25:43
you have such a goal if you speak02:25:45
ok I want this relationship02:25:48
save if they are important to me You can02:25:52
try to move on and do02:25:56
a set of steps there is one important thing that02:26:00
if you do these steps then you don't need02:26:03
try to tell the person what02:26:05
is really happening with this02:26:08
nothing will happen by installing you02:26:10
change if you already have a conflict02:26:12
Because if you have this conflict02:26:15
if you stopped talking we need02:26:17
admit that you have different points of view02:26:20
you already have these truths that do not coincide02:26:24
If you try any further there02:26:26
go and tell it really02:26:28
that's right, but you're wrong about everything. Look, you're already02:26:32
10 months wrong and then wrong here02:26:35
wrong It will only cause rejection02:26:38
the person will defend himself, I want clarification02:26:41
I’ll call it yes Or the option that you02:26:44
now you are voicing your opinion, it is also02:26:46
we can have it02:26:48
still use in the matter of communication02:26:52
Ukrainians who are currently in02:26:55
Ukraine and who have a relative in02:26:57
Russian Federation and which but02:26:59
completely broke off the relationship02:27:01
connections or after all Well, it’s different02:27:04
should be based on the fact that02:27:07
The Russian Federation continues02:27:08
aggressive war, missile attacks and02:27:11
etc02:27:14
what I'm telling you In what sense is this02:27:17
universal frame02:27:19
to resolve conflicts02:27:24
we can use if you want02:27:27
if you understand what you need for some reason02:27:30
this is a state of conflict exit i02:27:32
I won’t convince you at all that you02:27:36
if you find yourself in this situation you need02:27:39
the conflict is easy to resolve02:27:46
which02:27:48
there are some things you can02:27:50
there are some things you can't do02:27:52
I know for sure that if you are already this02:27:56
the conflict happened because you02:27:59
you will again02:28:01
send links to how she really is02:28:03
actually or try02:28:06
inform02:28:09
he is very02:28:12
will not hear the evidence and02:28:16
no matter how much we would like the opposite02:28:19
If you try to talk like this02:28:22
actually that's it02:28:25
with a high probability you will call in02:28:29
this point is rejection in general02:28:31
the model that I say allows02:28:34
what you can discuss02:28:37
it's really just what you need for this02:28:38
a lot of work needs to be done to make sure02:28:40
that the person can hear you02:28:42
Most likely at the very beginning he will not02:28:46
hear you and what needs to be done02:28:48
some big work02:28:50
go through a series of steps and then02:28:52
then you can already discuss something on02:28:54
actually happens but first for you02:28:57
it may be closed but actually02:29:00
no one wants to feel like they are wrong02:29:03
Is the situation a very natural feeling?02:29:05
Well, let's raise another topic02:29:08
the Russians plan to open an important02:29:10
temporary occupied territories is02:29:12
Ukraine center for training propagandists02:29:15
They want to create one of these in Berdyansk02:29:17
they expect to hold there until September 102:29:20
retraining of Russian history teachers02:29:22
language is reported at the national center02:29:24
resistance there emphasized that02:29:26
priority of selected specialists is clear02:29:28
demonstrates what the emphasis is on02:29:31
Russian school namely for studying supposedly02:29:33
correct history and language according to data02:29:37
center of simultaneously occupied02:29:38
There is a shortage of teachers in the territories02:29:40
majority of Ukrainian staff02:29:42
refused to work for the Russians That's why02:29:44
teachers were brought there from the Russian02:29:46
Federation which deals02:29:48
Russification of Ukrainian children However02:29:50
they don't stay permanently02:29:52
they want despite the large payments here too02:29:55
I would like to, but not about the process itself here02:29:58
It’s clear what Russia is imposing. Why not?02:30:00
want to stay despite the big ones02:30:02
payments because the Ukrainian army is not02:30:04
today tomorrow will liberate the city for example02:30:06
and then these so-called teachers will sit down02:30:10
for what they02:30:12
exactly the same occupiers on02:30:14
Ukrainian territory or what is the problem02:30:18
I had to talk to these people but02:30:21
it seems to me just02:30:23
the important thing is that besides the fact that people02:30:27
They say it’s also very important what they do02:30:29
That's why02:30:31
we see that the number of people who02:30:34
voluntarily trying to get into the war02:30:40
Ukrainians do not have their own will to fight02:30:44
very much everything is also important02:30:47
share some opinions and02:30:50
beliefs that lead to actions02:30:52
there are which are not therefore in what sense02:30:55
I think02:30:56
many people fully understand that02:31:01
the work we are doing now02:31:03
we talk about when to go and study02:31:06
propaganda Yes, that’s exactly what propaganda is02:31:09
this is not some kind of broadcast Well, in short02:31:11
some not very good work, that is02:31:13
she's risky02:31:16
there are no special ones and she’s just purely for money02:31:19
doesn’t close, that is, maybe it’s necessary02:31:21
or a lot of money is needed02:31:23
other security guarantees i.e.02:31:24
people are usually not that stupid02:31:27
yes if02:31:30
we are talking about some actions when02:31:34
it comes down to what needs to be done02:31:36
a real choice to risk your life02:31:39
the first thing is that people react differently here02:31:42
just Propaganda is not always good02:31:46
works to motivate02:31:47
that’s why we don’t see people doing something02:31:50
some wave of people who signed up02:31:52
volunteer in the Russian army and want and02:31:55
go to war that's why it's big here02:31:56
the difference is that you want people to just02:31:59
agreed, nodded and said okay02:32:01
that's how it happened and we got this picture02:32:03
support or you want them02:32:05
mobilize now we see that02:32:07
Russian society is not mobilizing02:32:09
very good, you have a lot of people02:32:11
who say Well Okay But in general they02:32:14
most likely they choose something that they are not there02:32:16
this opinion is not particularly politicized02:32:18
concerns there of course So everyone is needed02:32:20
wet Well, okay without me and this too02:32:24
important in this sense Propaganda is not02:32:27
Propaganda doesn't work02:32:30
they currently have the opportunity02:32:33
sometimes communicate with residents of the Russian02:32:35
Federations on the streets is what you're talking about02:32:37
now they said very often when02:32:39
the question is addressed02:32:41
Muscovites Well, or residents very often02:32:44
just in Moscow and such surveys are taking place02:32:46
or residents of other cities in02:32:48
questions What do you think about the so-called02:32:50
special military operation for02:32:53
we call this I am already adding you many02:32:55
answer I don't understand politics I don't02:32:57
I understand politics and they run away, it’s very02:32:58
Frequently asked questions I understand this is what it is02:33:00
also an escape from reality, I really appreciate it02:33:03
grateful and we are grateful for your participation in02:33:05
on our broadcast we will be very glad to see Ilya02:33:07
and discuss a number of other topics Ilya Venyavkin02:33:10
historian communication trainer was with02:33:12
We are in touch We are dear friends02:33:14
let's continue to discuss and talk about 202202:33:17
analyze and forecast 202002:33:19
third year Sergey Chernyshov02:33:21
be sure to stay with us02:33:23
switch02:33:33
The Empire has always adjusted history to suit02:33:36
replacing oneself with lies and truth for understanding02:33:39
modern Russian-Ukrainian war02:33:41
We need to study historical figures and02:33:44
events the person who began to combine02:33:46
physical culture with intelligence02:33:48
Bolshevik who became a Ukrainian patriot02:33:51
Russia's imperial policy has always been02:33:54
aimed at conquering peoples for a long time02:33:57
for years the security officers hunted for bandars02:33:59
We were not supervised by the Ministry02:34:02
the war against Ukraine is real02:34:04
has been going on for many centuries02:34:07
facts under Thursdays at 16.30 Kyiv time02:34:11
time on Freedom TV channel02:34:40
[music]02:34:58
We called 2022 the year of support02:35:02
because our partners really02:35:04
would show up at their best in 202302:35:07
year we want we will and of course02:35:10
We will try our best to make it happen02:35:12
so as to be called the year of Victory and now02:35:15
now about what kind of victory it will be and02:35:20
it seems to the Ukrainians we will02:35:21
discuss with an expert But first02:35:23
We would also like to announce some data from02:35:27
the beginning of a full-scale war02:35:29
citizens began to be considered a victory for Ukraine02:35:31
liberation of all occupied02:35:33
Russians territories including Crimea in02:35:36
there were such Ukrainians in March02:35:39
74%. literally in November there were already them02:35:42
85 and then testifies the results of a02:35:44
just a sociological group rating according to02:35:47
According to her data, only 9% of respondents chose02:35:49
option of introducing military action before02:35:52
return of those settlements02:35:54
which the Russian Federation tried02:35:57
capture after February 24, 202202:36:00
support for additional occupation of all territories02:36:02
Ukraine, without exception, is absolutely among02:36:05
representatives of all regions of the country and02:36:07
is more than 80 percent but this02:36:11
We will discuss the topic in more detail with02:36:13
People's Deputy of Ukraine Alexey02:36:14
Goncharenko communications Alexey Hello02:36:16
We are glad to welcome you Hello02:36:18
what does Pobeda Alexey mean to you?02:36:22
in fact, Victory has already happened to02:36:26
from my point of view we have already won02:36:30
that Russia's goal was and Putin's goal was02:36:33
destroy Ukraine as such and this02:36:36
he has no longer achieved his goal and will never02:36:37
will achieve moreover, it seems to me not02:36:40
Only the world found Ukraine on the map02:36:42
planets, but the Ukrainians themselves found Ukraine02:36:45
and ourselves in many ways during this02:36:48
wars Well, of course, already such as formally02:36:53
formalized point is liberation02:36:55
I won't be here all our territories02:36:58
original I am with 85 percent you only02:37:01
what they said every centimeter of our02:37:04
territory must be liberated02:37:05
including Donbass and Crimea we don’t need02:37:08
foreign lands but we do not allow anyone to enter our lands02:37:10
we'll give it back02:37:11
Let me ask you Alexey if you02:37:15
You perform a lot at international02:37:16
platforms and in turn02:37:19
on international platforms for the truth02:37:22
they also say there are skeptics, we have seen02:37:24
articles that I published earlier02:37:26
Washington Post citing some02:37:27
American politicians do this in their own way02:37:29
turn of the Republicans but also in the European02:37:31
union such as Hungary for example which02:37:33
they say that Ukraine will not win this02:37:35
war and you still need to make concessions with02:37:38
Putin agree to give part of02:37:40
lands and so on how they react to02:37:43
such politicians within the European02:37:44
Union We will move a little away from this but02:37:47
it is interconnected precisely with the Ukrainians02:37:49
including please02:37:51
You know yes and it sounds even Media I02:37:55
I gave an interview to the BBC a couple of days ago and there02:37:58
The host asked me a question Well, yes02:38:01
do there Ready to negotiate with02:38:04
Russia might somehow get along02:38:06
in the middle02:38:11
that is, our four regions want everyone02:38:13
let's do two but then they will want more02:38:18
six we'll give him three more then they02:38:20
if they want 10 more, we'll give another five, well02:38:22
Ukraine simply won’t come there anymore02:38:25
the rapist wants to rape your wife and02:38:27
daughter, how do you get along?02:38:30
no toe-in possible02:38:33
there can be no compromises02:38:35
international law should be02:38:37
fully restored And it is necessary02:38:39
not only to Ukraine but to the whole world because02:38:42
that dictators are looking at Putin today02:38:44
in other parts of the planet and they think this is it02:38:47
will get something he will be able to get something02:38:49
achieve or not and therefore it is important for02:38:52
every person on the planet to02:38:53
international law was restored02:38:55
so that the law is restored02:38:57
recognized by the whole world including Russia02:39:00
repeatedly recognized borders of Ukraine02:39:03
Here they must be restored to02:39:06
in full, that's actually02:39:08
all this is the answer that needs to be given otherwise02:39:10
that Yes, there are these Putin Vershteiners like02:39:13
they were previously called with reference to02:39:14
Germany they can be found everywhere and in02:39:17
Germany in France in Europe as a whole and02:39:19
The United States of America is02:39:21
such people but you need to talk to them02:39:23
explain not argue and if it02:39:27
Not Russian agents like that Unfortunately02:39:29
there are also but if they are just people02:39:32
who are mistaken they can be convinced02:39:34
repeatedly02:39:35
I just proved it myself02:39:38
Russia was called strong at least02:39:41
before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine02:39:43
but now Russia is more of a country of aggression02:39:46
But strength is just possible02:39:48
say remembering Ukraine and how02:39:50
Ukraine is resisting that same aggression02:39:53
And this is the position of Ukraine, we are confident in02:39:57
your future in your right to choose it02:39:59
the future has completely changed position02:40:01
Let's say to Ukraine in the international arena02:40:04
this is how we strengthened our ties with02:40:06
international partners How are you02:40:08
you predict in 2023 which we02:40:12
We confidently call the year of Victory Will there be02:40:16
new absolutely fundamental new02:40:19
international partnerships possible02:40:21
someone will join the winner's camp02:40:24
let's just say it will really start itself02:40:26
you see more clearly in some02:40:29
countries that are not yet so clear02:40:31
expressed their position such potential02:40:35
yes Of course not, we didn’t just strengthen02:40:38
our connections we have become the flagship of the free02:40:41
peace as he said in his address to02:40:44
to parliament, President Zelensky is02:40:46
apt phrase about the fact that Ukraine02:40:49
imitated the free world it's true and02:40:53
today Ukraine is one of the leaders02:40:55
of the free world, Ukraine today is a Mayak02:40:57
freedom for so many peoples and02:41:01
states on the planet therefore our role02:41:04
Ukraine has increased many times in general if02:41:08
look into the future But we are still in02:41:11
at the beginning of the year we always talk about how02:41:14
this year will be I am sure that Ukraine02:41:16
colossal potential Our task is to02:41:18
don't get lost Our task is not easy02:41:20
to win is not just to restore your02:41:22
boundaries Our task after this is also02:41:25
unconditionally rebuild our country and become02:41:28
one of the European world leaders and02:41:32
we are absolutely within our power to do this now02:41:35
these are not hats I am engaged in casting02:41:37
I never say that we will win there02:41:39
two or three weeks or New Year in Yalta02:41:42
I'm always quite careful in my02:41:45
forecasts and comments But this is where I02:41:48
I am absolutely sure that Ukraine has a chance02:41:50
become one of the world leaders and we02:41:54
We just don’t have the right to miss this chance02:41:56
we really became so my com02:41:59
for many for millions of people in02:42:02
world and we need to continue to be like that02:42:04
concerning02:42:05
freedom and as regards the free world and02:42:09
who will join him so much02:42:12
today and countries that are balancing on02:42:15
edge and look at the same Georgia02:42:17
which previously could not02:42:18
determine her power because her02:42:20
people decided long ago that they02:42:22
Ukraine and the Georgian authorities have not yet02:42:24
can decide where she is and Hungary02:42:26
Serbia these countries are countries like02:42:30
Armenia which are formally02:42:32
ally of Russia but we see how02:42:35
before our eyes she leaves, drifts away from Russia02:42:38
A country like Kazakhstan, Belarusians02:42:40
who look with hope at Ukraine02:42:42
because today Belarus is actually02:42:44
Moldova part occupied by Russia02:42:47
territories that are occupied in Russia02:42:49
and actually the peoples of Russia itself I was02:42:53
initiator of adoption02:42:55
resolutions of the Verkhovna Rada of02:42:58
recognition of Chechen Independence02:43:00
the Republic of Ichkeria ultimately was02:43:01
a resolution of the Verkhovna Rada was adopted02:43:03
recognition 4 occupied and recognition02:43:06
I filed a complaint against the genocide of the Chechen people02:43:09
Verkhovna Rada draft resolution02:43:10
recognition of the genocide of the Circassian people we02:43:13
must lend a helping hand and support02:43:17
oppressed people of the Russian Federation02:43:19
because Russia continues to be that02:43:22
the Russian Empire itself02:43:23
The Soviet Union is now Russian02:43:25
Federation is actually the same02:43:27
the very Empire that oppresses dozens02:43:29
peoples who are actually02:43:31
last colonial empire02:43:35
on the territory of Europe and this is such02:43:39
a dinosaur that will collapse sooner or later02:43:41
but you know the very last thing I will say is that in02:43:43
ultimately the Russians themselves and themselves02:43:47
Russians That's who benefited the most from everyone02:43:50
From the denocification of Germany after the Second02:43:53
World War it was definitely the Germans themselves02:43:55
because instead of being02:43:57
another cannon fodder for another02:43:59
dictator they built a powerful02:44:02
fair democratic free02:44:05
prosperous State and Russian02:44:08
will never be able to build a normal one02:44:10
their state until they pass through02:44:13
day and realization through recognition of that02:44:15
what they did and the money is realized A02:44:19
after this they will finally be able02:44:20
free yourself from this spiral of history02:44:23
which did not just turn into a corner and02:44:26
horror for the whole world02:44:28
you know, it’s very unfortunate that Russia is like this02:44:31
big that inhabits so many people02:44:33
and all these people could not do it on their own02:44:35
we have to deal with the empire02:44:39
Ukrainians who have already decided long ago02:44:41
with its own course and has been building its own for a long time02:44:43
state and determined their future02:44:45
You are absolutely right, I will just add that02:44:49
part couldn't part unfortunately couldn't02:44:51
wanted That's why we understand with02:44:54
you that the problem here is not only Putin02:44:56
And the problem is in the consciousness that02:44:59
Unfortunately, millions of Russians share02:45:01
today is exactly about this too02:45:04
exactly an analogy with Germany The problem was02:45:06
not at all in any Hitler even after death02:45:09
Hitler's process was very important02:45:11
denocification and complete dismantling and02:45:14
systems and most importantly Here02:45:16
changes in the head are all that you have to go through02:45:20
Russia, if it wants to become of course02:45:23
in a normal state they continue in02:45:25
In the 21st century, going to street toilets is about02:45:28
in them and be the horror and shame of the whole world02:45:32
and rejoice at the ceramic toilets, but then02:45:36
another topic of conversation. You said about02:45:39
I would like to focus on Georgia02:45:40
because it is also very related02:45:42
the fate of two countries Ukraine Georgia02:45:46
Georgia is also temporarily occupied02:45:47
occupied territory on our air02:45:49
was a representative of the Georgian opposition and02:45:52
he said that the Georgian people are in solidarity02:45:55
with Ukraine and already decided that he was on the side02:45:58
Ukraine But the Georgian authorities have02:46:01
some questions, tell me these02:46:05
those destroyed cities of Bucha Irpin02:46:08
Gostomel Mariupol dozens more cities02:46:12
and thousands of villages destroyed by Russian02:46:15
Federation02:46:17
could this affect the Georgian02:46:19
power to the Hungarian power perhaps I02:46:23
I call those who have not fully decided02:46:25
How exactly to support and02:46:29
fully Ukraine are they afraid of such02:46:32
consequences for yourself fighting for your02:46:35
territories for their freedom independence02:46:39
I think that is a very correct accent02:46:41
here's what we're talking about, you know we have to02:46:44
separate Belarusians and Lukashenko’s regime02:46:46
which is02:46:48
actual occupation regime over02:46:51
Belarus Georgians and the current Georgian02:46:54
authorities and the Hungarians and the Prime Minister02:46:57
Urbana too, because I'm afraid that for02:47:01
the current Georgian authorities for02:47:03
I am silent about Prime Minister Urban Lukashenko02:47:05
In general, it’s clear here that a person should02:47:08
be02:47:10
convicted02:47:12
together with Putin, together with all this02:47:15
gang I'm afraid it's unlikely for them anymore02:47:19
something will change These people made their02:47:21
the choice was made absolutely02:47:23
Why didn't you do it absolutely?02:47:26
the wrong choice is tragic for them02:47:28
peoples but they made it02:47:32
Hello hello it is very important that both Georgia and02:47:35
Hungary is still strange02:47:37
democratic people and peoples02:47:40
make decisions according to your rules02:47:42
so I guess I won't interfere02:47:45
internal affairs of no country02:47:47
different but I think that people today are in02:47:50
these countries are doing very serious02:47:52
conclusions and they will have their say then02:47:56
when the moment of democracy comes02:47:58
elections in these countries Because if02:48:01
you're even talking about the Georgian people, I really appreciate it02:48:04
I know many Georgians well and often02:48:07
performing on Georgian television02:48:09
so I'm absolutely sure that there02:48:12
full support for Ukraine among the people02:48:14
Yes, especially since Georgia is really02:48:17
Was probably after Ukraine the most02:48:20
Russian-affected country 2002:48:21
percent and the territory is occupied02:48:25
not so long ago the last European one came out02:48:29
barometer02:48:31
horizontally in Europe02:48:33
public mood is measured by02:48:36
various issues it is financed02:48:39
European Commission That is, there is no objectivity02:48:41
no questions there 27 thousand02:48:43
respondents and now quarterly02:48:46
thousands are surveyed in each country and02:48:48
that's what's very interesting what if02:48:51
look there was a whole complex02:48:53
questions about Ukraine to support Ukraine02:48:56
humanitarian military other you see02:48:58
that Hungary is not a dream country at all02:49:02
lowest support for Ukraine overall02:49:04
support for Ukraine is high in Europe but02:49:06
it is also different from super high02:49:09
support for the Baltic countries02:49:11
Scandinavian countries Poland that02:49:14
interesting Portugal is just one of02:49:16
leaders in general this comes in handy in many ways02:49:18
says there are a lot of Ukrainians in Portugal02:49:21
have been working for years, see how02:49:23
the Portuguese fell in love with the Ukrainians, that is02:49:25
This shows what respect02:49:26
Ukrainians have the Portuguese today02:49:29
the country is one of the simple leaders of support02:49:31
according to the public mood, so these02:49:34
countries listed leaders and from another02:49:37
end other countries this is Bulgaria02:49:40
Slovakia is Greece, the situation there as a whole02:49:44
anyway in favor of Ukraine But of course02:49:47
it's not so much anymore02:49:49
dominant support so that's it02:49:51
interesting that Hungary is not related to02:49:54
one of the questions02:49:55
strange with the least support for Ukraine02:49:58
they support it quite seriously02:50:00
Ukrainians But their government K02:50:03
Unfortunately he makes a lot of decisions02:50:05
irresponsible I think I'm playing too much02:50:08
in this one02:50:09
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a wink to Putin thereby putting02:50:14
Hungary is in a very wrong position and02:50:19
very seriously risks the future of the02:50:21
Hungary02:50:23
Alexey maybe now there will be some02:50:26
spoiler for some of the interviews we02:50:28
not published yet but on our YouTube02:50:29
channel viewers will of course be able to do all this02:50:31
find we talked about motives02:50:33
why Britain supports us why02:50:35
Italy also supports us from the outside02:50:38
Britain expressed that it needs itself02:50:40
recommend especially after break02:50:42
somewhere What is also on the world stage02:50:44
meaning and therefore support02:50:45
Ukraine is now in this situation as well02:50:48
very important for Britain in Italy too02:50:51
George Meloni listens very closely02:50:54
in principle to the position of the entire European02:50:58
union and this is very important for a politician02:51:01
who wants to have a long life02:51:03
Let's say a political career But here's what02:51:06
applies to those countries where people can02:51:09
to say even desperately supports02:51:10
Ukraine with some of their own money and family02:51:13
budgets are postponed are reset to02:51:15
generators in order to send them to02:51:16
Ukraine and their authorities are somewhat cautious02:51:20
so in your global support How do you02:51:22
Do you think this is fraught in the future after02:51:25
the victory of Ukraine will not the people of the people02:51:28
those countries are not one country after all02:51:31
more grumble, let's say, at the authorities for that02:51:34
that you could help Ukraine more02:51:36
and we could now identify ourselves02:51:38
with the winner and so we are in the middle02:51:41
we get02:51:42
very good question actually02:51:45
I think this is the strength of democracy02:51:48
of course everyone will have to answer for everything02:51:50
its policy at this historical moment02:51:53
the whole government is the leaders02:51:56
who even though Johnson will be there no longer02:51:58
is UK but he entered02:52:02
history and its leadership support02:52:05
which was shown by the way, here you are talking02:52:09
brexit yes it’s kind of objective02:52:11
reason maybe02:52:13
say that02:52:15
and good job somewhere02:52:19
I've seen the British always be super02:52:24
on the side of values and means on the side02:52:27
Ukraine02:52:29
and I think02:52:32
some commitment to values that02:52:35
really the most important thing and leadership02:52:37
which superimposed the leadership which02:52:40
Boris Johnson demonstrated together gave02:52:43
this is just the effect when Britain02:52:45
has become a real world leader in02:52:49
support of Ukraine which raised it02:52:51
own status and this is such a Vyn02:52:54
classic situation where everyone wins02:52:56
as for other countries yes I will tell you02:53:00
what was there from the very beginning from the first 24 days02:53:03
February I am this year Thank you02:53:07
invited me for an interview, I'm in it02:53:08
I was interviewed for a lot more years02:53:10
international channels there on CNN Fox02:53:13
News BBC Sky News key French02:53:18
TV channels In general than in Ukrainian02:53:21
TV channels much much more I02:53:23
I'll tell you that this is very important02:53:25
talk to citizens of these countries02:53:27
through Media in many countries if not02:53:31
huge support from people who are not02:53:34
it just appeared thanks to02:53:36
active policy of Ukraine, including not02:53:39
Ukraine, as I say now, is not02:53:40
Ukrainian no power02:53:42
clinic to every Ukrainians apostilled in02:53:45
On Facebook, who posted the video, Ukrainians02:53:47
who made the videos we produced02:53:50
It was just a sensation on social networks02:53:53
a huge war that we just02:53:55
triumphantly won the war for sanity for02:53:59
the hearts of people, including in their media02:54:02
speaking explaining proving if not for02:54:06
this is all many politicians would try02:54:09
close your eyes turn away and go far02:54:11
so actively support Ukraine if02:54:13
generally support it but by creating this02:54:15
public request and creating02:54:18
received support from residents02:54:21
these countries are further than a democratic country02:54:24
no politician can ignore02:54:26
request from society is the strength02:54:28
democracy and Ukraine in this sense02:54:31
our information war02:54:33
and your TV channel is actively receiving02:54:37
Participation is Key02:54:39
because the information war at 21 is02:54:43
no less important than actually02:54:46
war on the front line and physical war02:54:49
Therefore, here is the Triumphal Victory of Ukraine02:54:52
in the information war she02:54:54
predetermines our victory02:54:56
in physical war Alexey, here I want02:55:00
to summarize somewhat with such philosophical02:55:02
questions, perhaps our dialogue with you02:55:05
self-determination of Ukrainians I cannot02:55:07
say that it was formed after 2402:55:09
February, but it probably strengthened02:55:12
and there was once such a word in everyday life02:55:16
very good menshevartisty Yes it is02:55:18
relates to self-esteem I think that even02:55:19
I don’t know Ukrainian, can I?02:55:21
logically guess what it means02:55:23
and the Ukrainians didn’t just change02:55:27
opinion may be about yourself or strengthened but also02:55:30
changed the world's opinion02:55:34
Absolutely right, I'm here only because of your02:55:37
permissions I will change the accents We are not only02:55:39
changed the whole world's opinion about themselves02:55:41
important Well, what’s even more important is that we changed02:55:44
your own opinion about yourself and that’s already02:55:47
forever in the history of Ukraine there are a lot02:55:50
heroic pages but very often this02:55:54
pages tragic famine war02:55:58
Wars of liberation that are not02:56:00
lead to results and we were very happy02:56:03
we need Victory Victory of the historical02:56:06
scale and it has already happened this year02:56:09
I will repeat again yes formally she I02:56:11
I hope it will be next year02:56:13
recorded but in fact this is a victory02:56:16
has already happened and the Ukrainians In addition to the fact that02:56:18
these are courageous, freedom-loving people02:56:21
we all felt like ourselves02:56:24
the winners felt it and we felt it02:56:27
we will pass it on to our children and not to our children02:56:29
this is forever and this is the Key Event02:56:32
In fact02:56:34
2022 for Ukraine for Ukrainians and us02:56:39
released decided You know02:56:42
crystallized we talked so much about02:56:44
Ukrainian national idea02:56:46
this freedom has crystallized and this02:56:49
we will not carry the light of this Freedom02:56:51
only in Ukraine but all over the world it is02:56:53
our new mission is absolutely02:56:55
convinced Yes, this is very important, you know that you02:56:58
you say you crossed, it was realized02:57:00
it was easier for you to pronounce this word02:57:03
it is very important that this is not just because02:57:04
is it necessary or because someone published it02:57:06
such a decree or a new word in use02:57:08
self-determination Yes, this is real02:57:11
about the sincere feelings inside everyone02:57:13
for Ukrainians this is very important, and for us too02:57:15
to come02:57:20
we still have a lot to do together and02:57:23
a lot of work to do in order to 202302:57:25
the year was one hundred percent victorious and how02:57:28
already in Telegram channels some people write02:57:29
so that the next broadcasts in general and02:57:33
Eurovision in Crimea somewhere in Yalta Well there02:57:37
When we have time, we’ll choose Alexey, you’re very welcome02:57:39
thank you as always, happy to talk to you02:57:41
I will remind Alexey Goncharenko people02:57:42
Ukraine was in direct contact with us very02:57:45
a lot of very important news and topics with you02:57:48
we will discuss and have a lot for you02:57:52
let's prepare stay with us it will be02:57:53
very interesting02:58:00
[music]02:58:05
Can Russia repeat the fate of the Union02:58:08
during perestroika, Putin personified02:58:11
the desire for Russian society to02:58:13
revenge is the Revival of how02:58:16
variant of the Russian Empire Which02:58:19
the consequences will be a reversal02:58:21
Russia's totalitarian Soviet past02:58:24
will lose up to 40% of its cozy income02:58:27
we understand the reasons and look for answers02:58:30
we analyze many of the Russian02:58:33
the samodevtsev ended sadly02:58:35
because of military adventures now Russia02:58:37
closed From the outside in the project the crises of Russia02:58:40
on Sundays at 14:00 Kyiv time02:58:45
time on Freedom TV channel02:58:49
Our plans do not include occupation02:58:52
Ukrainian territories we are nothing to anyone02:58:54
We are not going to impose forces on the appearance02:58:57
Russian troops near Kiev and others02:59:00
cities of Ukraine is not connected with the intention02:59:03
occupy this country, we don’t have that02:59:06
goals about the fact that new territories have appeared Well02:59:11
Here02:59:14
he's like that after all02:59:17
significant result for Russia02:59:24
Freedom TV channel02:59:44
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barbed wire fence 5 m high03:00:02
divides Poland and Belarus03:00:07
length just imagine 186 km And this03:00:11
also a symbol on the one hand03:00:13
open European Poland And on the other03:00:16
Belarus is closed and dependent on Russia03:00:18
and these kilometers of border essentially separate03:00:22
democracy from dictatorship03:00:26
two different worlds behind the wall life is full03:00:29
fear When at any moment they can03:00:31
knock on the door to start a case03:00:33
arrest when denunciations began03:00:35
everyday life03:00:36
[music]03:00:38
and this side is a country where there are enough of their own03:00:41
problems but she is free and real03:00:44
Belarus is no longer Minsk with its03:00:46
wide avenues and licked03:00:48
real pavements Belarus in exile03:00:52
to the kitchen where you can no longer whisper03:00:55
on the streets where you don't need to look back03:00:59
rally Where Live Belarus sounds03:01:01
[music]03:01:10
Warsaw bus station - everyone comes here03:01:14
day flights arrive from Belarus03:01:16
Rail and air connections03:01:18
stopped so they get there the old fashioned way03:01:20
This one came by bus from Brest03:01:25
everyone has their own destiny, of course, but what03:01:29
unites these people they left03:01:31
Belarus to finally stop03:01:34
fear the consequences03:01:40
[music]03:01:57
I had the same first feeling03:01:59
Alexandra Azarova couldn't get enough of it03:02:02
breathe in freedom get used to03:02:04
the feeling that you don’t have to look back03:02:07
speak in a whisper if you suddenly meet03:02:09
a friend on the street and want to talk03:02:11
souls, Belarusian society has become03:02:13
into a totalitarian society where, starting from03:02:16
childhood from kindergarten up to and above03:02:20
a man is made a slave who performs03:02:23
unquestioningly orders and doesn't even think03:02:25
about some changes about democracy or03:02:27
about anything other than03:02:29
obey Lukashenko Alexander03:02:32
Lieutenant Colonel in Belarus was an investigator03:02:35
Main Directorate for Combating03:02:36
organized crime03:02:38
It would seem that everything was a career apartment03:02:42
great salary but after these shots03:02:44
in August 202003:02:47
[music]03:02:49
he could not remain in the police service03:02:53
ratina completely03:02:54
dictatorship in Belarus for as long as03:02:57
Stalin can be called even after leaving and03:03:00
Once in Poland he fears for his03:03:03
life is forced to never advance03:03:06
make an appointment so that the conversation does not03:03:08
intercepted and did not wait for those against whom he03:03:11
Azarov spoke out because he went against03:03:13
punitive system of Lukashenko and openly03:03:16
tells how it works03:03:20
the most terrible torture took place on03:03:22
Christina is a temporary detention center03:03:25
keeping people on hot days03:03:28
So these cages are in the open air03:03:31
30 people means in a small03:03:34
they used the little room for themselves for a hundred years and03:03:37
they put people in the swallow pose K03:03:40
fences So if a person moved they03:03:42
they were beaten with batons, they were passed through03:03:45
so-called corridors when a person03:03:47
threw a detainee out of a paddy wagon03:03:50
handcuffed behind their backs and thrown through the crowd03:03:52
employees and when he ran they03:03:55
beat up on the way03:03:57
eyewitness accounts at the time03:04:01
The entire floor of the Belarusian police department was flooded, well03:04:06
blood, urine and feces from people all03:04:09
these crimes Alexander Azarov now03:04:11
and investigates with other exes03:04:14
Belarusian security forces who03:04:16
are located in Poland they created03:04:18
organization of boypol to let through03:04:21
time but everyone who tortured killed and03:04:24
the rapist still appeared in court03:04:34
many of those who have cast aside their fears03:04:37
time of protest went to rallies peacefully with03:04:40
flowers is now hiding in Poland03:04:45
after Lukashenko was able to03:04:47
to retain the power to stay at home was03:04:49
just unsafe Anastasia all03:04:52
lived her adult life under one regime03:04:55
Lukashenko has been under the rule of another for 28 years03:04:58
Belarus didn’t know the president03:05:03
in elections we have always had03:05:06
falsifications Lukashenko was chosen as if03:05:08
once and for all and nothing can be done03:05:11
People came to their senses the next year03:05:14
who did they choose? But talk about03:05:17
politics in general have become impossible03:05:19
and express your thoughts and live like that03:05:22
news and lived today Anastasia her03:05:26
son Lenya girlfriend Sasha live in Wroclaw03:05:28
in their kitchen they cook Belarusian03:05:31
potato pancakes03:05:32
Sanya knows special Belarusian03:05:35
The partisan recipe is spoken among themselves03:05:38
in Belarusian and are proud of the forbidden03:05:41
houses with a white and red flag instead03:05:44
returned by Lukashenko red-green03:05:47
Soviet03:05:50
all three of them left Belarus after03:05:53
protest in 2020 but Sasha is still03:05:57
I have to hide my face if I'm nearby03:05:59
camera03:06:04
security because I have03:06:06
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