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this was the best bike in the world in
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2012.
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it's a beautiful pinarello Dogma 2 with
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a custom paint job for Bradley Wiggins
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when he was national champion and riding
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for team Sky that's not all though we
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also have this absolutely stunning
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pinarello f8 that also used to belong to
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Sir Bradley Wiggins and he rode this one
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in the 2015 season conveniently both
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Wiggins and I ride a size 56 frame and
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we've been given permission to ride
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these bikes these bikes were good enough
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to win grand Tours 10 years ago but how
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do they stack up against the bikes that
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the pros ride now we're gonna find out I
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mean they might actually be better this
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f8 is considerably lighter it feels
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amazing
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[Music]
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before we go any further we need to give
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a shout out to Dan at vintage velos who
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you may remember lenter's Jan ulrich's
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valser cheers Dan you're a legend and
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you can check out his YouTube channel
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too while we have these bikes we're also
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going to take them to the wind tunnel in
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Silverstone with the help of the bike
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Taylor to see how the aerodynamics of
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them Compares if you want to see the
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results of that we have a video over on
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the tech channel so on to the bike
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starting with the beautiful Dogma 2. so
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this was ridden by Sir Bradley Wiggins
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in 2012 this particular bite in the
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national championships colors was used
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in races such as the Volta Algarve the
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tour of romandi and parinise but of this
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particular colorway only four of these
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were made and only two got ridden so
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there was this saddle as well on here
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which is a nice custom saddle with sort
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of mod Bradley Wiggins on a scooter on
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apparently only four of those this
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colorway was actually made available to
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the general public for sale but for the
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bikes made for Bradley Wiggins there
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were only four now a couple of key
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differences on the bike we have today
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versus when Bradley Wiggins rode it they
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often had like Wheels where they took
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the logos off and then often put Shimano
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logos or no logos on the wheels if you
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look at pictures of him riding the Tour
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de France you'll see what I'm talking
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about a lot of the time they
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suspiciously look like they might have
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been zips
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the big thing though is that the wheels
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of that era were all tubular and very
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narrow I mean the tire clearance on this
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particular bike you're not getting
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anything in there sort of Beyond 23 mil
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tires the other big difference is that
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at this time Bradley Wiggins would have
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been using an SRM power meter paired
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with o symmetric chainrings the other
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big standout thing is that it's got
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Shimano di2 10 speed on it the first
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generation of di2 SRAM red etap hadn't
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even been invented at this point and so
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it was quite rare for a team to use
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electronic gears and in the first
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iteration of di2 it has this quite ugly
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external battery that sort of fitted
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here onto the down tube
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the other bikes we have here both the f8
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and the F all have threaded Italian
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bottom brackets no press fit at this era
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of bike threaded bottom brackets were
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still pretty common but then later on
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they can have just disappeared and
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everything became press fit not
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pinarello though they stuck with
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threaded bottom brackets which yeah I've
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heard is because the team Sky mechanics
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said they wanted threaded bottom
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brackets and insisted that that's what
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it should be but uh there you go I think
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we should go and ride it
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foreign
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[Music]
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I mean
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these things are massive we've done wind
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tunnel testing and shown that for every
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centimeter of extra bar with you lose a
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few Watts but this is the bar width that
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Brad used in 2012. this is what he won
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all those races on and it was just the
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fashion amongst the entire Peloton to
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have wide bars like this but for me now
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I feel like I'm I'm riding a bus I'll
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tell you one of the things that
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instantly stands out compared to now
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what I'm used to is the brakes I mean
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it's noticeable how much brakes have
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just continued to improve as Rim brakes
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but then obviously to disc two in terms
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of the actual feel of the bike
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even though we're running super skinny
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tires and the bike doesn't have much
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clearance Beyond 23 mil tires it's uh
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essentially surprisingly comfortable
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you don't have the range of gears at the
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back though that for me is one of the
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big improvements that they've made
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so when you're going up the hill
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find a bit more out the saddle don't
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quite have the power that Wiggins had
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one of the things we're used to hearing
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is that with every new bike model that
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comes out it gets seemingly stiffer than
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the previous one
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well I can tell you
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when you get out the saddle and sort of
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Press On
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it it feels remarkably stiff and kind of
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makes sense because
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Cavendish was riding for team sky in
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2012 and he would have been riding a
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Dogma too like this
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another time he remarked that the bike
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was perfect and if anyone's gonna feel
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the stiffness of a bike
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it's Cavendish but yeah
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it feels really good
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this bike is so cool and it's like it's
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mad like I watched Wiggins win races
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like Harry niece on this bike I never
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thought I'd get Riders it's ridiculous
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but ah I have to go ride the f8
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[Music]
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oh
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this bike feels absolutely incredible
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the weight is instantly noticeable but
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just everything else like the bearings
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The Hub bottom bracket it all just feels
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so solid and so smooth
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is a bit of Secret Sauce going on on
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this bike I feel you know it's like that
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sort of lore that you hear about where
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you know the mechanics of say Riders
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like Alberto contador was strip out the
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grease and the bearings and put sewing
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machine oil in to make them run you know
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that bit smoother and lighter and
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yeah I don't know I just feel there's
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something like that going on here
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because this feels absolutely amazing it
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does still have the mahusive wide
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handlebars
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which yeah kind of I guess slow you down
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but
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riding the two of them back to back
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this and the Dogma too it
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this does instantly feel that little bit
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quicker
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and the drag reduction on it that's
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claimed by pinarello at the time is
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absolutely huge so I can't wait to see
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how this performs in the Wind Tunnel not
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just against the Dogma 2 but also
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against the modern air
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the drag-saving claim that was made at
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the time is was a 47 reduction in drag
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over this versus the Dogma 2 which is is
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huge I mean that's a massive leap in
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technology and looking at the two you
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can kind of see it the the Dogma 2 just
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has that very organic wavy shape which
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doesn't appear to be designed for
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aerodynamics it's more for creating a
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bike that is more comfortable and has
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more compliance built into it but is
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still stiff the f8 is just such a strong
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departure away from the Dogma too and
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that's because it was a collaboration
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between pinarello Dimitris katzarnis and
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also jaguar and they completely revamped
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the shape of the bike to improve its
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performance with a massive emphasis on
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trying to improve the aerodynamics
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it's got roundels on for all Brad's
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major victories on the top tube London
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2012 Tour de France in his Olympic Golds
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on there as well
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overall the silhouette and the shape of
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it is very very similar to what we have
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on the pinarello F but just lifting this
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it feels very light so let's get the
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scales out
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6.80 that's right on the UCI weight
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limit although admittedly doesn't have
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pedals in at the moment but that is
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seriously light especially when you
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consider
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this isn't this isn't a weight weenie
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build I mean we've got a saddle with a
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titanium rail not carbon we've got an
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alloy bar and stem on here if you really
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wanted to go to town and make this
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lighter you could shave half a kilo off
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this if you really started you know
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being a bit more
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um picky with the components but it had
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to make it up to that to that UCI weight
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limit because it was a Pro Bike
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this one's now running the Shimano Dura
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Ace di2 in the second generation which
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is 11 speed and has this quite ugly
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junction box now hanging underneath the
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stem and still in terms of the evolution
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of the pinarello Dogma you've got Rim
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brakes still but they're single Mount
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the Dual Mount caliper came in with the
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F12 later on
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um and then now it is obviously disc
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brakes and you still have external cable
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routing coming into the frame here
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um at the front of the bike although it
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is very neat and and to the side it's
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not fully integrated through the headset
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like you see on the latest version right
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I'm going to jump on my pinarello f I
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adore this bike but there's no Escape in
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the fact it's so noticeable this weighs
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so much more than what I've just been
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riding
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oh
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[Music]
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the big thing which will stand out to
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you when you're looking at me front on
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now is how much cleaner the f is on the
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front end you're gone are all the cables
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gone is the the round bar and separate
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stem that was well the standard thing
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that all Pros used 10 years ago and
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instead we have this much neater cockpit
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no cables and very narrow I mean this is
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38 centimeters wide you can get narrower
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the 38 seems to be the norm that Pros
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use today and
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if you've ever experienced narrow bars
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you'll know what I'm talking about when
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I say just going that little bit
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narrower you can feel it and we've
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proved it in the Wind Tunnel it's faster
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with the wheels that I have in now this
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bike is about well 600 grams 500 grams
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heavier than the S8 I was just riding
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it's something that's my eyes have
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really been open to when we've done
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these retro bike comparisons it's just
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how far Tire technology has come on a
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large part of that weight difference
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comes from the fact that bikes of 10
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years ago were running tubular tires
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whereas now
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but she's tubeless this is using
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tubeless and wider tires too 28
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millimeters I've got on front and rear
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and
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we know that these tires have much lower
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rolling resistance than tubular tires
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from back in the day and so consequently
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although you have that heavier setup
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it's not actually slower
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it's important to remember that the
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pinarello f is also a grand tour winner
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you know it's had many successors won
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many amazing races most notably I guess
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would be the Giroud Italia another huge
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difference is Tire clearance on those
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older bikes you're struggling to get
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anything bigger than 23 mil tires in
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them which I think blows people's minds
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considering how used to wider tires
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people are now on this one you can get
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32s in it and
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I think the tire volume that you can get
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plus probably tweaks that have been made
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to the frame really are contributing to
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just a much smoother ride right now
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having ridden the same piece of road
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back to back on on all these bikes this
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is by far the smoothest ride
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foreign
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it's definitely a sort of evolution you
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can see from the from the f8 it's a
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complete Revolution from from the Dogma
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too with the disc brakes it has gained
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you know a bit of weight uh over the
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other one but the frame is still very
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light and um it has titanium Hardware in
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various places like the seat post clamp
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here and uh in in the headset too so
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let's see what it's doing
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there you go seven and a half kilos bit
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heavier than the f8 but about the same
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as the Dogma 2 which is quite intriguing
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um these wheels aren't the lightest
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either they're uh ultegra specs so Pro
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level you know you'd probably be running
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Jora Ace spec which is slightly lighter
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so you'd save 100 200 grams there or so
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but overall to answer the question how
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do the bikes that were used by Riders to
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win the biggest bike races in the world
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10 years ago compare to this which is
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what the current Pros use
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well there's definitely been Improvement
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although there is a weight increase
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which we see when we weigh Pro Bikes
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across the board the functionality
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offered by the disc brakes the bigger
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range of Gears available the much bigger
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tire clearance the faster Rolling Tires
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and the sort of more aerodynamic the
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bikes are now with more integration and
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narrower cockpits overall does make them
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faster I'm intrigued to see in the Wind
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Tunnel how much more aerodynamic this is
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I suspect it's going to be quite a bit
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but we'll see and head over to the tech
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Channel if you want to check that out
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in terms of the other two bikes the the
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Dogma 2 feels Antiquated compared to
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this truth be told and one of the big
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reasons for that I think is the narrow
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tires and the lack of aerodynamics the
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f8 however
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is still a phenomenal bike and I would
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wager that it would still be capable of
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winning the biggest bike races in the
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world right now even though it's 10
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years old which is a testament to how
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how good a bike it is I'd say even more
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so if you modified it a bit and fit some
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narrower more aerodynamic bars and some
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faster rolling but slightly heavier
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tubeless tires but overall let us know
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which one you would pick and rather have
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in the comments section down below
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f f 8 or Dogma 2. I hope you've enjoyed
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this video if you have give it a thumbs
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up also cheers to Dan from vintage
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fellows and we'll see you in the next
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one love you bye

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