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round-the-clock access to the databases of

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its Yandex.Taxi service,

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including data from other countries, as

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journalists from the publication Meduza found out.

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Thus, the Russian special services will

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know not only addresses and e-mail addresses and,

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for example, email names of

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users. Well, let’s say

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travel routes users from Israel, Armenia,

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Georgia and many other countries where the

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Yandex service still operates in Finland, in

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turn, the bootsman’s office for

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data protection issued an urgent order and

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when stopping the transfer to Russia of any

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personal data of taxi service clients,

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Yango is a local brand under which

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it operates in Finland and Norway

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Yandex.Taxi has stated to the press service of

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Yandex itself that they are not going to

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transfer the data of their foreign

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users to the intelligence services, I welcome

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on our air Grigory Buka a new

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expert from the former top manager of the company

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and Yandex Grigory Greetings Yes, hello

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I think you know me and probably someone

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has seen us in the streams in the program dot

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Alexander Plyushchev therefore we are on you

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Let this not confuse anyone and Grisha

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First of all, I would actually like to

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quote a little more broadly I think

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it will be honest from the Yandex press service

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I will read to you that they are like

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them We ourselves commented on this

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publication and I want to hear your

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comment. Russian

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law enforcement agencies do not get

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access to information about trips of

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users outside of Russia through a Request to

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the service, travel data can

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only be obtained by law enforcement agencies of the

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country where the trip was made, following the

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procedures prescribed in local

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laws, this is how the Russian one works

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legislation and legislation of

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most other countries after the

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law on taxis came into force on

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September 1, this logic will not change quote from the

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press service statement from the press service of

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Yandex.Taxi on the publication forgot how you can

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comment on them

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In general, did they manage to get away with it

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Listen, if you allow me

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I’ll take half a step back Yes, here’s the eyeliner And to

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what the

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jellyfish published The fact is that there are two

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different news reasons,

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from September 1, a regulation comes into force

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according to which the FSB

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must receive information in real time

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about all trips of

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taxi aggregators; this is one news-

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based reason, the second news reason

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jellyfish sources claim that all

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Yandex.Taxi data is collected all over the

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world from all over the world, collected in one

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data center or in two data centers located

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not far from Moscow, this is the second

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source, the second news, if you put them together,

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then you get the story

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that jellyfish tells about what you look

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at On September 1, the

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FSB now collects all information about

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trips in real time, without

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any separate Yandex requests,

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because it’s just that

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information will be received in real time, and

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since by leaking someone from inside what

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the jellyfish has dug up, all the information,

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including abroad is going to one in

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one fornication centers, it is unlikely that

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anyone will look into it and, in fact, the FSB will receive

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all the data, this is the essence of what

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Medusa wrote and why now the entire server is

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now carefully analyzing

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what the press service answered,

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law enforcement agencies do not receive

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access blah blah through a Request to the service,

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you know, through requests to the service they

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really don’t get it from September 1.

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Well, there will be such a practice that it will

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simply be sent there in real time,

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apparently forced. In

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the sense that no separate request

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will be made here, so the

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press service simply responded to another

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question This is the usual behavior I serve

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in such a situation, even if you omit the

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first sentence and believe that

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this trip can only be carried out

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according to the procedures prescribed by local

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laws and all that. Imagine that there

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is, for example, some kind of criminal.

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Let's take some terrible crime, for

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example. a distributor of

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child pornography for whom

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the FSB came to Yandex and said We need all the

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data about this person and the person is

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currently traveling in Turkey, but do you really

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think that Yandex will not give out

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data on the trip of this citizen upon request?

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Moreover, we know that the FSB knows that this is a

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citizen of Russia and he has every right

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to receive all this data, that is, the

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whole answer is actually him. It

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seems to me that he is not needed to

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reassure people because he does not

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reassure people. This answer seems to me to be this

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answer. This is just a way for Yandex to

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say Look, dear state Well, in

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principle, we did everything we could, even

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where it was necessary to say that we are

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actually not collecting anything so that people would

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not suspect anything, so we answered That

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is, this is an excuse not for you and me, this is an

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excuse for the FSB for Yandex, but there’s

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probably a lot out there now I

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have to excuse myself

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lately Grisha I want to ask you a question,

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not so much technically as a

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human one,

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I’ll put myself I’ll tell you on behalf of

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such an average person from

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Russia who is not very keen on politics I’m a

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Law Abiding Citizen I use

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Yandex.Taxi Let the FSB monitor all

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my movements I have nothing to do hiding

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why this is a bad practice Think like that

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I have a very simple, very simple

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thing that

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explains what is happening to you as easily as possible, look

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Let's put aside the story with the

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taxi Let's give an example based on

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some Yandex.market

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Imagine that data on all purchases of

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citizens is

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received in FSB, what could happen? Well, for

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example, let's imagine that there is a

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group of people who are going to

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produce a Molotov cocktail, for this

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they use Yandex.market to

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buy kerosene somewhere,

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it is very easy, it is extremely easy

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to do such a grouping when

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they say user association when

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they say oh, probably all users

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who buy kerosene is people

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who are committing

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some kind of crime and for

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this reason the FSB will simply take and

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collect this data from Yandex and

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will further interpret it as it wants as it

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wants due to the fact that this is a

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special service, a special service that has its

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own idea of how it works Yes,

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if we talk about if you return back by

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taxi, then this data is this information about

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movement, it’s actually not so

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simple, not as well, not as

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painless as even

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those who don’t think about safety like to think, well, here’s

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another example for you Having data about

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moving a person by taxi, I don’t know

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about you, for some reason I don’t understand, in the

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hospital and to various other medical

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institutions I most often go by taxi.

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Information

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about my movements is enough for me

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to, with some

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probability, not just guess My

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diagnosis, but predict who has my attending

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physician And in general, how can I get a lot of

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additional information about me and to hell

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with the FSB? Well, even the banks that

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insure my health

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would be happy to receive this information; the

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banks that issue loans with a huge amount of

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information would be very happy to receive this information in order

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to Well, for example, denying loans to

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people who go to

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the doctor too often. This is illegal in any country in the world,

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but in fact, as you understand, this

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happens sometimes. Now let’s remember for a

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second that the FSB and Yandex Yandex.Taxi

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and this whole story, this thing that

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happens in Russia where is not a single

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public service? Well, I don’t know, I

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haven’t seen a public service from

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which data would not leak,

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and sooner or later, even those people

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who are super law-abiding about

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those in power who are ready to do anything for the sake of what is

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happening now in the country

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will see their data like this before

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said to the hunchback I mean, in the

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radio market, and this data can be

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used against you, believe me, even

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for the sake of it against the most

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law-abiding person, the security of

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your data is important not for

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political reasons, not only for

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political reasons, it is important

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Because if a person has the opportunity

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to draw conclusions based on your data and

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use this data against you, then the

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person will be inclined to do this, and

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data from Russian government

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bodies leaks regularly, a

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sin. Well, you know all this, of course,

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you say very rightly, but here are the users

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in the chat of our broadcast. In general, they probably

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also rightly say that there is nothing

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else to use in What should Russia

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do then, don’t use anything at all,

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so they write, I’ll

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continue to use Yandex. Well, you

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remember, don’t read Soviet newspapers in the morning. There are no

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others, don’t read. No, I

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don’t suggest you use a taxi,

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no, and I don’t think that this is

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any opportunity for you. But there are a lot of

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different simple rules. Let’s take my

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example with medicine, please never

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specify a medical institution as the end point,

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select a house nearby and go

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from there, try to go to different

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points. If you want this,

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use a non-centralized system at any time.

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not the largest

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aggregators Use them because, for

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example, in the case of any foreign

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trips, you can always choose something

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other than Yandex; in any country in the world there is

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something other than Yandex.

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So, well, this is quite simple. I

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think the story about such personal

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security is something you always think about the fact that

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one way or another your data can be

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used against you

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Grisha Thank you very much I can’t help but

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ask you very briefly

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Unfortunately, time is running out Arkady

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Voloshev slightly corrected his biography

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on his website and is now called an

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expression of Kazakhstan, in general he is

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really an expression from Kazakhstan and to

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Israeli businessmen, just briefly,

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what did you think about when you read about this?

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I’m not surprised at all;

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moreover, it’s true. The fact is that

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Arkady spends less than half of the time a year

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in Russia since the death of Ilya.

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That is, this has been for many years, more than

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10 years Arkady uh spends most of his time

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in Israel he has a family there uh

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he has a new wife there who

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appeared just about 10 years ago

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and uh in fact he really Well

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really has been an Israeli for many years

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here I think it’s difficult to find fault but

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it’s impossible to

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name endlessly a person who lived

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in Russia and the Russians But despite the fact

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that he has already been living abroad for 10 years and

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it may be so, it may be so, well, on

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Twitter, of course, they will not agree with you

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