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your Sunday appointment so this00:00:02
evening we will have a prestigious guest I00:00:04
will have the honor of being able00:00:05
speak with Jean-Pierre Petit who00:00:08
will be there at 8:30 p.m. in barely 3000:00:09
minutes but first of all I would also have00:00:12
the pleasure therefore of welcoming00:00:13
unlike last week we have00:00:14
had a lot of technical problems I00:00:16
brings back Antoine Bachelin Senna00:00:18
to talk about important news00:00:20
around so the Brazil files we go00:00:22
being able to do that is quite a00:00:23
chronicle this will be the first part of00:00:25
this show next so there will be00:00:26
Jean-Pierre Peet the big interview00:00:30
all evening and then there will be00:00:32
Jean-Maxime cornet who will join us00:00:34
after our discussion with Jean-Pierre00:00:36
So here it is, uh it's going to be one00:00:39
excellent evening really very00:00:40
interesting and above all important being00:00:42
given the news of Jean-Pierre00:00:43
Little one will talk about his work but00:00:44
especially in fact of the persecutions that he00:00:46
suffered from the community00:00:48
scientist with a total rju of his00:00:49
work an impossibility of publishing it00:00:52
there are a lot of things there are a lot00:00:54
things to share about corruption00:00:56
in this environment and he will also need00:00:58
both your attention and and also00:01:00
of your support in different forms00:01:02
but he will be able to explain all that but00:01:04
before that the column with Antoine00:01:05
Bachelor Sena but especially the00:01:12
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generic we are at war00:01:26
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ah you don't have to be afraid00:01:54
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and so as I said good evening everyone00:02:10
and welcome to I small deep for00:02:12
your Sunday evening appointment which00:02:13
starts a little later than usual00:02:15
the show will be a little shorter but00:02:17
as you could see there will be00:02:20
Jean-Pierre Petit who will be our guest00:02:22
main and which arrives in barely 3000:02:23
minutes he was in the studio right away00:02:24
time to make adjustments00:02:25
techniques given the problems of00:02:27
last week we made sure that00:02:28
everything can be perfectly fine00:02:29
operate donation and before bringing00:02:32
so Jean-Pierre Petit I I wanted00:02:33
really bring Antoine back00:02:35
Bachelin Sena who was present so the00:02:37
last week for a column00:02:38
important on a current subject00:02:39
important but there were different00:02:40
technical problems which prevented00:02:42
keep the show so it seems to me00:02:44
necessary to bring him back to00:02:46
talk but that's it before you ask00:02:49
all the question but where is Jean-Pierre00:02:50
Little one, he'll be there in less than 25 minutes00:02:53
but first of all good evening Antoine00:02:57
how are you doggie00:03:00
thank you for having me raphaë a pleasure00:03:02
here to share what is happening at00:03:04
Brazil and for the world too we will00:03:07
explain it exactly so in any case00:03:10
so if the image may have some00:03:13
problems there normally the sound should00:03:14
be good feel free to tell us in00:03:15
the cat if the sound is good on your side00:03:17
for the image it is normal that there is00:03:19
some saturations but there normally00:03:20
everything should be stable therefore in everything00:03:21
cases before the arrival of Jean-Pierre Petit00:03:23
there as I said seemed necessary00:03:24
to be able to talk about this again00:03:27
news which is very important for00:03:29
talk about a country we don't know about00:03:30
obviously there's a lot of interest in it00:03:32
very little while he has a very00:03:33
important on a geopolitical level00:03:36
and so it is Brazil and the famous00:03:39
affair of the Brazil files and therefore Antoine00:03:42
I'm going to let you speak for this00:03:43
chronic there uh given that the00:03:46
last week there were a few who00:03:48
I'm actually going to let you go again00:03:50
zé actually redo a contextualization00:03:52
total and above all we00:03:54
explain what's new because00:03:55
that you sent me a message for me00:03:56
say there are still more things to say00:03:58
so I'm going to let you speak and00:04:00
its apparently perfect so Antoine00:04:02
I'll let you speak, thank you very much00:04:05
Raphael the American Congress shared00:04:08
a document of more than 500 pages00:04:11
confidential court documents and00:04:13
this document is entitled open00:04:16
quotes attack on freedom00:04:18
of expression abroad and silence00:04:21
of the Biden administration from point00:04:24
case of00:04:25
Brazil there will be four implications00:04:30
linked to these Twitter files brzil then I00:04:32
I'll explain the four00:04:33
implications which will be the four00:04:34
points of my development and then I00:04:36
I will go into detail about what the00:04:38
Twitter files00:04:40
brasio the first point the violation of00:04:43
judicial processes that the law00:04:46
American does not allow for00:04:47
American companies and does not let00:04:49
pass the second point00:04:52
legal repercussions00:04:55
on Instagram WhatsApp also that they have00:04:58
bought YouTube and the other others00:05:00
platforms the third point one00:05:02
interference by the FBI the CIA services00:05:06
secrets the State Department Congress00:05:09
American made a request to obtain the00:05:12
emails exchanged between the State00:05:13
United States Department and the Court00:05:15
Brazilian Supreme Court regarding the00:05:17
censors the 4th point the United States will00:05:21
legislate very quickly before00:05:24
elections this year we have the00:05:26
Trump elections is a moment00:05:28
crucial they will want to add00:05:31
new protection mechanisms00:05:33
freedom of expression they want00:05:36
confidentiality of our data00:05:38
personal on the Internet and more00:05:39
integrity of the electoral process therefore00:05:42
that's the point here is that it's useful00:05:45
of inspiration and example for00:05:47
deputies from other countries and that00:05:49
citizens put pressure on their00:05:52
members so this is what00:05:55
introduction these Twitter false Blas are00:05:58
extremely important and therefore the00:05:59
four points of implication the four00:06:02
points that we will detail here00:06:04
so here I start Elon Musk00:06:06
know this well he bought Twitter in00:06:08
October 2022 was during the00:06:11
Brazilian electoral campaigns he00:06:14
access to all internal discussions00:06:16
from Twitter to all requests for this00:06:18
called the deep state and he has it00:06:21
demonstrated already when he bought Twitter00:06:23
that he had relayed during Twitter falses00:06:26
already the case of Unter Biden's laptop and00:06:29
how the deep state did it00:06:31
pressure directly on the00:06:33
Twitter officials so that it00:06:35
censors well he does it again00:06:38
regarding Brazil with its00:06:39
Twitter son brzio brziio and therefore Elon00:06:43
Musk with his questions he mentioned00:06:46
also the fact that other companies00:06:47
like my Instagram YouTube don't have00:06:50
denounced what happened in Brazil00:06:52
and actually in Brazil if you want had00:06:53
illegal orders illegal orders00:06:56
of the Supreme Court of orders which do not00:06:58
do not respect the Constitution00:07:00
Brazilian and Twitter just like00:07:03
Facebook and YouTube must have do00:07:06
must respond on the territory00:07:07
American so as I explained to you00:07:09
This is a very important point.00:07:10
why the American Congress has a00:07:13
investigation which is ongoing and they have00:07:16
called Elon Musk to come testify on the 8th00:07:21
May so May 8th will have Elon Musk who00:07:23
will be received by the American Congress and00:07:26
they will then decide on sanctions00:07:28
They will then decide what00:07:30
legislate so that was the 4th point they00:07:33
want to legislate to add00:07:35
new protection mechanisms00:07:36
freedom of expression privacy00:07:39
of our personal data which is a00:07:41
point of concern in all00:07:42
country and therefore you have to be very00:07:44
attentive to be able to put pressure on00:07:47
our deputies and see what will happen00:07:49
and above all more process integrity00:07:52
electoral sure so we will come back to the00:07:55
case Elon Musk explained the fact that there00:07:59
has a violation of judicial processes00:08:01
that American law does not allow for00:08:04
American companies and00:08:05
asks why for example Zuckerberg00:08:08
of my did not denounce what the Court00:08:12
Brazilian supreme asked what00:08:14
he obeyed their illegal orders00:08:16
and other founders too eh00:08:19
the Google team on Youtube00:08:22
why they didn't denounce anything why00:08:25
they obeyed the illegal orders of the00:08:27
Brazilian Supreme Court and if this is00:08:29
proven and therefore elon mus will be received on00:08:33
May 8 before a special commission of00:08:37
American Congress if this is proven it00:08:39
will have00:08:40
financial sanctions and and00:08:43
also criminal, it's not civil eh00:08:46
it's really a criminal offense00:08:47
American territory against those who have00:08:49
accepted illegal orders so twitter00:08:52
didn't do that so Elon Musk did00:08:55
insurgent against the illegal orders of the00:08:57
Brazilian Supreme Court and began to00:09:02
post on Twitter00:09:04
by calling the person who runs the court00:09:08
electoral superior here in Brazil and he00:09:10
told him why you censor so much00:09:11
so it attracted public attention00:09:13
on the actions of this Supreme Court00:09:15
Brazilian and this Supreme Court00:09:17
Brazilian is in a censorship00:09:20
terrible with a militia also which00:09:22
imprison journalists and uh00:09:25
deputy pasonalo so I will explain00:09:27
these details and we have a huge amount of00:09:31
political prisoners who are who have00:09:34
been put in prison simply for having00:09:37
express their opinion and so that is00:09:39
denounced via these Twitter files arms because00:09:42
that Elon Musk has00:09:43
relayed the illegal demands which00:09:46
were made by the director of00:09:49
Brazilian Superior Electoral Court00:09:50
Alan JIS and so elon mus exposed it he00:09:55
showed via his documents and therefore the00:09:57
American Congress took over 500 pages of00:10:00
request and request for censorship with00:10:03
the names of the journalists00:10:05
MPs on which tweet they are accused00:10:08
and he asked for fines00:10:11
exorbitant eh and a delay also very00:10:14
short to put pressure on the00:10:17
Twitter Brazil officials for00:10:19
withdraw in 2 hours and if he did not withdraw00:10:22
in 2 hours the Twitter account uh of of of of00:10:26
some people well they had00:10:27
an extremely high fine and and it00:10:29
did not have the right to detail the00:10:33
files he had no right to00:10:34
present an appeal he had to00:10:36
following00:10:37
remove it without any discussion and00:10:40
he went even further00:10:42
director of the Superior Court00:10:43
electoral alexand jimis by threatening00:10:47
Twitter officials Blesil00:10:49
to go to prison if he did not obey00:10:52
do you want00:10:54
rebound I will develop the dice it is00:10:57
especially especially in my opinion make a00:10:58
reminder because you mentioned a name that00:10:59
is still very important for00:11:00
understanding politics in Brazil is00:11:02
especially therefore Alexandre de Moraes00:11:03
maybe you can clarify a little00:11:04
little more who is this person who has00:11:06
been his news because his name was00:11:07
been widely cited especially during00:11:09
elections in Brazil and after the00:11:11
elections in Brazil there have been several00:11:12
events which were quickly00:11:14
deleted we will say of00:11:17
the news so I'll just leave you00:11:19
maybe give some details00:11:21
more about this character who seems00:11:23
still rather central in any case00:11:24
very important to00:11:26
know completely then the majority00:11:29
of the Supreme Court was appointed by the00:11:30
left Loula so that's a first00:11:33
point already and they are the ones who censor00:11:36
and who imprison journalists and00:11:39
and deputies even then Alexander Jim00:11:41
Moris he has00:11:43
was he was he was the subject of attack00:11:46
direct attack not denunciation00:11:48
by Elon Musk on Twitter and Elon Musk00:11:53
himself said that Alan Dimolas holds00:11:57
leave it there he has Elon Musk has00:12:00
directly said that Alexandre di Moris00:12:02
Alexandre di Moris keeps Loula on a leash00:12:06
so I will explain why and you00:12:09
go see that there are stories00:12:11
hacker stories00:12:15
of in fact he he he holds I will you00:12:18
explain all that right away00:12:20
then the predecessor of Alexander00:12:21
jimoray it was thorisavas who died00:12:24
in a mysterious accident00:12:26
plane after an investigation into00:12:28
dozens of politicians for corruption00:12:30
in 2017 in the kwash zavaski operation00:12:33
had to rule on the legibility of00:12:36
testimonials from 67 ude bcht leaders00:12:39
it was a real estate company that made00:12:41
condemn in particular many relatives00:12:43
of Loula for corruption and therefore he00:12:45
there was a plea negotiation where00:12:47
there were a good number of personalities00:12:49
the most powerful in Brazil and also00:12:50
of its Latin American neighbors and that00:12:53
it is the guard who therefore reports this00:12:56
are media foreign media00:13:00
which then report according to the Guardian00:13:01
and other reports therefore00:13:03
flight records suggest00:13:05
that there was no malfunction of00:13:06
equipment communication with the00:13:07
pilot does not indicate any difficulty and00:13:10
alexand di Moris precisely this director00:13:12
of the Superior Electoral Court which is00:13:14
pinned in this censorship with Elon00:13:16
Musk well he was named replacement00:13:18
of zavaski by president temer therefore00:13:20
temer is the one that assumed it afterwards00:13:23
dilmousev it was dilmousev's vice00:13:25
who experienced impeachment for00:13:27
corruption and uh00:13:29
so he was named by tem while he00:13:32
was Minister of Justice and00:13:34
Public Security but that is the00:13:36
very important point you go00:13:39
see there00:13:41
has00:13:45
to sing the mayor with00:13:49
of the00:13:55
and and00:14:01
he really has00:14:04
thatour'i00:14:06
Brazilian00:14:08
explain I will continue then00:14:10
father you want to bounce back no I I you00:14:12
lets continue very well and so we have00:14:15
had left-wing journalists00:14:17
Twitter Fals arms what is really00:14:19
interesting is that these are00:14:21
journalists00:14:25
it's an amsonage operation in TER00:14:29
of communication the Mia mainstream have00:14:32
were obliged to relay these facts00:14:35
Mia mainstream were forced to00:14:37
relay the fact that there was this00:14:41
this huge censorship so I'm going to00:14:43
will detail00:14:44
also documents that are 500 pages00:14:47
which are relayed by the Congress00:14:49
American and therefore these documents are00:14:51
linked to demands for censorship on Twitter00:14:53
and shows that the Supreme Court00:14:56
Brazilian demanded a ban or00:14:59
permanent blocking of more than 15000:15:02
policy profiles and00:15:04
journalists confidentially00:15:07
without explanation provided any00:15:09
possibility of appealing00:15:10
different network platforms00:15:12
social then there we have what has been called a00:15:15
system and this is where it is necessary00:15:17
be careful in other countries because00:15:19
that we have the most advanced system of00:15:22
industrial censorship complex it'sorté00:15:26
by journalist Michael Schellenberg00:15:28
because it is an industrial complex00:15:30
censorship due to its extensive structure00:15:33
and which is located in the system00:15:35
judicial in Brazil it is not in the00:15:37
system00:15:38
executive with the State Department or00:15:42
or in Europe in the Commission00:15:44
European no it's a it's a system00:15:45
different by the judiciary and therefore this00:15:47
censorship system to do a little00:15:49
history and that's where it's needed00:15:51
be careful it was created by00:15:53
government officials of00:15:55
USA and England more00:15:57
especially those who work00:15:58
for activists and agencies00:16:00
information and in a more advanced way00:16:02
that before it was developed in 2017 so00:16:04
THE00:16:06
work00:16:08
that the old and new agents of the00:16:12
United States State Department CIA00:16:15
the FBI and also the Department of00:16:18
British Defense have developed00:16:20
extensive programs00:16:25
censorship of science we finance the00:16:28
creation of censorship tool with00:16:31
artificial intelligence for00:16:32
Facebook Instagram Twitter and others00:16:35
social media platforms for00:16:36
develop mass censorship therefore00:16:38
early 2017 already does a lot00:16:41
military service agencies00:16:42
of intelligence of the agents of00:16:45
United States governments develop00:16:46
the same censorship tactics as the00:16:49
higher electoral court used00:16:51
then c four points four points00:16:55
precisely to show this00:16:56
first point to report as00:16:59
information categorized denigrated isolated00:17:03
controversial controversy et cetera00:17:06
journalist and popular politician00:17:08
right the second point put on the00:17:10
in front of the00:17:13
scene put on the front of the00:17:17
scene apparently I'll let you continue00:17:20
so in fact as you have a lot of00:17:22
cuts in fact uh at the level therefore of00:17:25
of the connection I'm going to ask you to00:17:27
actually make it a little bit shorter I00:17:28
will start the interview with jean-Pier00:17:30
rained a little bit earlier uh because00:17:31
that apparently there are quite a few00:17:33
sound cuts so I'll leave you00:17:35
continue and we and go the most00:17:38
quickly possible to the news00:17:40
information about Brazil files very00:17:42
well I removed the camera maybe that00:17:44
will be a little better then so they00:17:46
use in a third point no already00:17:48
in a second point they put on the00:17:50
front of the stage of the so-called00:17:51
specialists and we notice this in00:17:53
the whole world eh so it's happening00:17:55
all over the world it's really very00:17:56
important in the second point he m on00:17:59
the center stage of the so-called00:18:00
government specialists or00:18:02
funded by the government or00:18:04
directly from intelligence units00:18:06
and spying on this in order to collect00:18:09
evidence on those uh on those who00:18:15
are previously labeled which have been00:18:17
previously labeled the third point00:18:20
it's using so-called third parties00:18:22
influencers to demand00:18:23
changes to terms of service00:18:25
to put pressure on him00:18:30
boycott them who allow00:18:33
freedom of expression and this00:18:34
worked particularly well on00:18:35
Facebook and Instagram therefore the court00:18:38
electoral superior is in Brazil and it has00:18:39
been proven with his Twitter Fals brasur00:18:42
he piloted the draconian measures00:18:44
Brazil with many of these searches00:18:46
and methods of pressure to censor00:18:49
Brazil and some journalists have00:18:51
shown that this action was00:18:53
funded by government agencies00:18:55
from the United States that's why it00:18:57
was taken up by the American Congress and00:19:00
in particular the model of the Tribunal00:19:01
Brazilian electoral superior he reflects00:19:04
a public private partnership model00:19:06
which uses small groups to00:19:08
censor the government and therefore00:19:10
the US congressional document cites00:19:13
also the action of organizations00:19:15
the most influential censorship we have uh00:19:16
the Aspen Institute the Observatory00:19:19
of the Internet and Stanford they have00:19:21
censored since covid-19 since00:19:24
2020 elections and so we see it00:19:27
directly with his Twitter FAL Blas00:19:29
which were uh shown by Elon Musk00:19:32
who bought between the 1st and 2nd round00:19:34
Brazilian elections uh he he00:19:37
shows precisely this interference and00:19:39
this pressure from agencies00:19:41
government in partnership with00:19:43
the superior electoral court00:19:45
superior electoral court itself00:19:47
cites for example the final document of the00:19:49
Election Integrity Partnership00:19:51
Stanford who has who has publicly00:19:53
defended point of view censorship00:19:55
conservative politics of congressmen00:19:58
even we have for example René douesta who00:20:00
is a former CIA officer who is00:20:02
behind the integrity project00:20:04
Brazilian election called00:20:06
Graphica with the letter pH gr a P h I c00:20:10
so that's a partner00:20:12
strategic of the Superior Court00:20:14
election and the New York Times itself00:20:17
which is a newspaper which is not at all00:20:18
pro bolsonaro on the contrary he declared00:20:22
that the pointer Institute therefore which one00:20:24
which certifies if you want all00:20:26
fact cheakers it was created to do00:20:28
openly what the CIA was doing00:20:31
for decades and therefore00:20:33
uh it's an American company00:20:36
Twitter which must comply with the laws of00:20:39
United States even though it operates in00:20:41
other countries she is obliged to00:20:43
respect the laws of other countries and it00:20:45
cannot carry out illegal action and00:20:47
therefore the local superior court00:20:49
request to carry out illegal actions00:20:51
and that's criminal it's not it's not00:20:53
civil and so uh it's it's something00:20:56
something that can lead to prison and00:20:57
that's why I approached them00:20:58
four main points at the start that00:21:00
I will repeat again we have a00:21:02
violation of legal processes that00:21:04
American law does not allow for00:21:05
American companies and will not00:21:07
let it pass, that's why00:21:09
American Congress will receive Elon Musk00:21:11
on May 8 he will testify in a00:21:13
second point we have the repercussions00:21:15
legal for other companies00:21:17
Youtube Facebook Instagram WhatsApp00:21:19
why didn't they denounce this?00:21:21
why they obeyed orders00:21:23
illegal and did not comply with the00:21:24
constitution of the countries in which they00:21:26
acted third point interference00:21:28
which was demonstrated by Congress00:21:30
American in these documents of 50000:21:32
FBI Secret Service pages00:21:35
State Department they asked to have00:21:38
all emails exchanged between the State00:21:41
United States Department and the Court00:21:42
supreme brazilian so he's going to have some00:21:44
sanctions he will have a household for00:21:47
all those who wait a little bit00:21:48
deep state cleanup takes time00:21:51
time and this is what is happening00:21:52
to do precisely that is what is in00:21:53
being unmasked 4th point00:21:55
United States will legislate I have it I00:21:58
got it00:21:59
ahead of this year's elections00:22:00
add new mechanisms00:22:02
protection of freedom of expression00:22:04
confidentiality of our data00:22:05
personal on the Internet and more00:22:07
integrity of the electoral process therefore00:22:09
This is really very important00:22:10
because in every country in the world this00:22:12
should serve as an inspiration and example00:22:14
so that citizens put pressure00:22:16
on their deputies and well that's going to have00:22:19
global repercussions Well, well00:22:22
thank you Antoine once again with the00:22:24
connection we will we will shorten this00:22:27
chronic in all cases I think that00:22:28
you were able to address quite a few points00:22:30
overall you talked about the week00:22:32
last of some links that we could00:22:34
consult for more information00:22:35
more inthetic I think it was00:22:37
either directly your site or even uh it00:22:39
were there other links you could00:22:40
advise can you repeat them00:22:41
like this we will reach the end of00:22:43
this column it is still00:22:44
important I wanted us to be able to00:22:46
make it good again even if there are00:22:47
some connection problems and I00:22:49
am sorry00:22:50
uh it's still a deal there00:22:52
censorship which is similar in fact to00:22:53
to twitterf but which brings00:22:55
important elements about this country that we do not00:22:57
don't watch enough who the bres is00:22:58
that's it so I'll let you uh repeat to00:23:01
new so the links which can be00:23:02
consulted for more information00:23:04
on the subject and then we move on00:23:06
the interview with Jean-Pierre Petit very00:23:09
well you go directly to00:23:12
twitterfilesbasil.com so it's blasil00:23:14
with a Z like in English eh00:23:17
twitterfilesbasil.com so there you have00:23:19
access in English to the details it is put00:23:22
updated too so it will be updated again00:23:25
updated on May 8 follow on the00:23:27
social networks intervention by Éon musk00:23:30
who brought the documents so the00:23:32
American Congress at 500 pages of these00:23:34
data there you also go to00:23:38
antoinebachelinsenat.com where I relay00:23:40
all this and other information too00:23:41
I denounce the communists in Brazil00:23:45
he who are disguised as a socialist00:23:46
so here goes00:23:48
antoinebachelinsenat.com you have00:23:50
really much more information00:23:52
thank you Raphaël and thank you very much00:23:54
Antoine uh looking forward to seeing you again very00:23:57
soon we will do moreover we talked about it00:23:59
off a longer interview but on00:24:01
one on a work that you were able to00:24:03
going out on Olavo des Carvallo will be a00:24:05
more philosophical interview00:24:06
will program this on one condition00:24:08
obviously it's if your connection00:24:09
Internet is stable my friend otherwise we00:24:12
will do a remote interview that we00:24:13
will broadcast in my opinion to ensure00:24:15
to have better quality in all00:24:16
thank you very much for this00:24:18
chronicle which is important and which00:24:19
was obviously interesting but00:24:21
is especially important to know00:24:23
obviously invites you all to00:24:24
consult the two sites including as00:24:27
spoken Antoine Bach it is either his own00:24:29
Antoon Bachena blog or else00:24:33
Twitter files Brazil and obviously00:24:37
it’s the knee of information to be disseminated00:24:39
so thank you very much Antoine I00:24:41
I'm going to do a little advertising page00:24:43
of a few seconds and I will00:24:45
welcome Jean-Pierre straight away00:24:46
Small but obviously thanks again00:24:48
Antoine have a good evening and see you next time00:24:50
Antoine thank you raphaë ciao00:24:52
ciao read a profitable magazine00:24:55
that is to say, inform yourself with00:24:56
specialists on the subjects we like00:24:58
but if protecting your finances and your life00:24:59
private how by applying our00:25:01
financial strategies the objective00:25:04
outperform in the face of inflation00:25:06
confidential letter the only reading00:25:09
profitable and therefore good evening again to00:25:13
all I hope this column has helped you00:25:14
interested of all the spectators of00:25:16
by Antoine Bachelin Sienna on Brazil00:25:18
F I obviously invite you to consult00:25:20
the links that were cited both00:25:21
sites you talked about Antoine Bachelin SDA00:25:24
but I have the pleasure and the honor00:25:26
evening to receive Jean-Pierre Petit00:25:28
to talk about a very important subject00:25:31
around its current affairs but which addresses00:25:34
so a subject uh unfortunately very00:25:37
sad once again like many00:25:38
topics that can be discussed on the00:25:40
French subject of the decline of France and00:25:42
also some functioning of00:25:44
corruption and quite simply we can00:25:46
say mafia and there in this case in00:25:48
the scientific community but first of all00:25:50
good evening Jean-Pierre Petit, is that00:25:51
you hear me well and how00:25:53
come on, I can hear you very well00:25:55
yes I am doing the best I can00:25:58
can at 87 years old that's good perfect in everything00:26:03
case do not hesitate there for00:26:04
spectators to tell us if the sound of00:26:06
Jean-Pierre Petit is good on your side00:26:08
in any case once again here it is00:26:09
thank you very much for accepting this00:26:11
invitation Jean-Pierre to the base I00:26:13
wanted to invite you to speak00:26:15
obviously therefore of your work that we00:26:17
will be able in my opinion00:26:20
approach before finally speaking00:26:22
of the subject which will be main for for00:26:25
This interview is news that you00:26:27
gave me who absolutely00:26:28
surprised and shocked and which in my opinion must00:26:30
absolutely be broadcast and above all00:26:33
I hope that after this interview a00:26:35
maximum number of spectators will ensure00:26:37
to be able to organize yourself to keep up00:26:38
maximum at a time Jean-Pierre Petit one00:26:40
another person we are going to cite who00:26:41
works with Jean-Pierre Petit but00:26:43
also makes sure to support those who00:26:46
want to do serious research00:26:48
and fight against the power of certain00:26:50
academicians or researchers in France00:26:51
that's it, but first of all, Jean-Pierre00:26:55
Small for those who don't00:26:57
would perhaps not know so you00:26:58
are you an astrophysicist cosmologist00:27:01
are you as you have you have quoted00:27:04
your age you were born so in 1937 you00:27:06
were able to see the world of research00:27:09
evolve and change elsewhere for those00:27:11
who would consult or who would have00:27:13
consulted your conferences they can even00:27:15
have information on how to00:27:16
how did the world of research pass00:27:18
he has he has changed completely but also00:27:19
the advance that France could have had and00:27:22
also from when France00:27:24
actually started to slow down and even00:27:25
stop on the plane00:27:27
search for their ambitions00:27:29
scientists in any case uh among the00:27:31
the conferences you were able to give00:27:33
you also have a comic strip that we00:27:34
which we will talk about later because00:27:36
you do popularization00:27:37
scientific of course we are talking00:27:39
uh regularly so from the famous model00:27:41
Janus therefore Jean-Pierre Petit does00:27:44
you can introduce yourself succinctly00:27:46
for people who do not know00:27:47
not uh if I forgot some details00:27:50
and perhaps also explain to us a00:27:51
a little bit of your main work before00:27:54
to talk about the problem that you00:27:56
want to exhibit this evening let's say that we00:28:00
just put a little bit into00:28:02
circulation of a document which allows00:28:05
people understand the genus model then00:28:07
you know that having been blacklisted very00:28:10
early in the world of00:28:11
editing I bypassed this00:28:14
difficulty in inventing a new media00:28:16
who is the scientific comic00:28:18
eh and these comics are what00:28:21
amuses me it's only mine00:28:23
have existed for 47 years and they00:28:25
are doing very well I have 500,000 readers00:28:27
in the world they are translated into 4000:28:29
languages and I think I can say00:28:31
that they will survive me while I00:28:34
see I don't know if all00:28:36
popularizers can say one thing about00:28:38
this kind there is no problem then00:28:41
so this Janus model and well uh to one00:28:45
moment I took my pencil I00:28:47
said well, it’s time to make a00:28:49
comic about it so I00:28:51
scratched uh in 90 page ideas00:28:54
by the way which is called model génus00:28:56
against black science then I believe00:28:58
that we can present the cover of00:28:59
this band absolutely I will00:29:01
show right away that you00:29:03
can see right here and I'm going to same00:29:05
time immediately send the link which00:29:07
will therefore be there in the chat also in00:29:09
description which will allow you to have00:29:10
therefore access to this comic book which you00:29:13
will allow us to address this subject00:29:14
but I'm sure there you go00:29:15
be able to describe a little more00:29:16
is therefore the famous Janus model I00:29:18
let Jean-Pierre speak, that's it then00:29:20
there is still one thing enough00:29:22
surprising is that currently we are00:29:24
a very small number in there we are00:29:27
practical00:29:28
two people who really do00:29:30
actively researching we are00:29:31
assisted by a small handful of00:29:33
retired he because to work00:29:36
on the Janus model it is absolutely necessary00:29:38
to be free and free people are the00:29:40
retreat the others really are00:29:42
immediately massacre me then00:29:45
I would say there are both bad ones00:29:48
news and good news00:29:49
bad news is that we00:29:52
we are how to say strangled by the00:29:55
media there is total silence you00:29:57
know I notice had released a tape00:29:58
drawn in the time which was called the00:30:00
wall of silence well that's exactly it00:30:02
what is really the wall of silence00:30:03
there is one thing for example is that you00:30:05
have people like Rault or in the00:30:06
time like benvenist good ben these00:30:09
people there they were attacked me I myself00:30:10
remember I said benvenist you have the00:30:12
lucky you we attack you me we don't00:30:14
don't even attack me you will notice a00:30:16
thing then if someone attacks me but with one00:30:17
completely different way it is00:30:19
the love affair but differently00:30:21
when it comes to the media it's silence00:30:23
the most total then yet the good ones00:30:26
news and well, first of all we have00:30:28
mathematics with us eh and then00:30:30
we have nature with us nature is00:30:32
very good girl then you know00:30:33
maybe for example we just00:30:35
launch a James web telescope which has the00:30:40
ability to see in infrared therefore00:30:42
it allows him to have some00:30:45
observations that come from very, very00:30:46
far and uh then in I think00:30:50
that there is an image that gives you a00:30:52
galaxy seen by the James telescope uh00:30:54
Humel start by showing this image00:30:57
seen through the telescope you must like it I00:30:59
I'm going to select it right away00:31:01
and then I will ask you too00:31:02
obviously Jean-Pierre of perhaps00:31:04
can then perhaps make a brief00:31:05
summary of what the Janus model is00:31:07
for those who00:31:08
I don't mean it's the news00:31:10
scientist I will show it to you then00:31:12
show me the image with galaxy seen by00:31:14
the model00:31:15
genus seen by the the the telescope then00:31:19
see at the bottom there is an image like this00:31:22
that it could be obtained from the telescope00:31:24
so you have to understand one thing and that is00:31:25
that when we receive images that00:31:27
come from very, very far away and well00:31:29
causes galaxies to move away from00:31:31
makes us that they pass into the00:31:32
red and even in the infrared therefore00:31:34
that moment uh the only images that we00:31:37
can be obtained with the Hubble telescope00:31:40
these were images of x-ray sources00:31:42
so we had little points like that00:31:44
that you see at the bottom of this image we00:31:46
sees that everyone has a little point and people00:31:48
thought it was the galaxies00:31:49
primitives so that collides with their00:31:52
idea that what was being created were00:31:54
small galaxies which would then00:31:56
come to fruition now you will see the00:31:58
same image seen by the James web00:32:00
pass me this image seen by the James00:32:02
web here it is and you see that these four00:32:04
all only small images made00:32:06
part of a huge spiral galaxy00:32:08
so at that moment the surprise is00:32:10
total because the observers00:32:12
say here are some clichés that come from00:32:15
500,000 years when the cosmos only00:32:18
500,000 years and there are galaxies00:32:20
fully trained and00:32:23
currently the whole community00:32:25
scientist of the world is in the in00:32:27
stress eh and I mean that00:32:30
when these images were published on00:32:32
title of the scientific article it was00:32:34
panic pa etc panic at the asros00:32:37
astrophysicists how can you00:32:39
explain that galaxies are born00:32:41
immediately it's something00:32:43
impossible so then I will explain00:32:45
why jamus him he he he planned at00:32:48
contrary to the fact that galaxies are born in00:32:49
the first hundreds of millions00:32:50
years so frankly there is a00:32:52
cosmological model which predicts the00:32:54
nesto galaxies we see the model00:32:57
standard is completely wrong00:32:59
how come we can't00:33:01
debate this subject so now00:33:03
another image that must be shown is00:33:06
that of the dipole repeller you owe it to yourself00:33:08
see her no it's not it's that it's00:33:11
the the the trurs giant dipole repeller00:33:14
still pass this one and not that one00:33:16
let's go let's go let's go again here we go00:33:19
that's it then that's an observation00:33:21
which dates from 2017 which was made with00:33:24
the means of the time he is not the00:33:25
James web telescope they are people00:33:28
four people there were Hélène00:33:30
courteous Daniel Pomaret two Frenchmen and00:33:33
then a Canadian who is Bren Tully and00:33:35
then an Israeli they made a00:33:37
cartography of the cosmos at very very00:33:39
large scale then at that time00:33:41
this cartography he represents00:33:42
like this in this picture the point00:33:44
red in S in the center it represents our00:33:47
galaxy the place from which we then observe00:33:49
actually maybe I don't know if00:33:50
we will clearly see this image but on00:33:52
on the left there is a kind of task00:33:54
brown called the attractor00:33:56
rosary so that's a big set00:33:59
of galaxies to a hundred million00:34:01
of galaxies which are represented there but00:34:03
then on the right there is a kind of00:34:04
white spot and you see it's gre00:34:06
trippeller is the great repellent00:34:09
because when they did this00:34:10
card you have all these blue lines00:34:12
which represent the movements that have00:34:14
galaxies in relation to the universe00:34:16
you see that these galaxies are00:34:17
pushed back there are black arrows00:34:19
they are repelled by this great void00:34:20
and in 2017 we discover this great void which00:34:24
is 100 million light years away00:34:25
distance which is 600 million years00:34:28
number of the earth and there is currently00:34:31
no theory that allows00:34:33
to interpret this model then there the00:34:35
it's funny if there are readers who00:34:37
are somewhat familiar with this type of00:34:38
things you know there is something that00:34:40
is called Google Scholar Google Scholar00:34:42
scholar that means it's it's the00:34:44
the good academic is a bit like00:34:46
University Google so at that time00:34:48
when you put on Google SCO you00:34:49
have a window and then you can00:34:51
type what came out as00:34:52
article in this area then you can00:34:55
diple ripeller dipo ripeller why00:34:57
dipole because there are two objects there00:34:59
has the attractive object rosary and the object00:35:02
repellent gr so that forms a dipole00:35:05
and the relator dipole is the one which00:35:07
pushes back then you type dipole reller00:35:10
and you have the news at that moment00:35:12
of all the articles that have been published00:35:14
on the subject since 2017 and what is it00:35:17
that you find the article of00:35:18
Jean Pierre00:35:19
Small and it's not even an article00:35:21
Jean-Pierre Petit is something I have00:35:23
put on my website why because00:35:25
that magazines refuse this kind of thing00:35:28
there is censorship and we are going to talk about it00:35:29
just now something unimaginable00:35:31
the time you were talking to me about David against00:35:33
doliat I would say it's two Davids00:35:35
against 2000 Goliath that's what we have00:35:39
all the astrophisicians against us and00:35:41
above all, I would like to ask you a00:35:42
question how long has it been00:35:44
you face this this guy00:35:46
opposition because you have when00:35:48
even a very great career over 6000:35:50
years in research from00:35:52
when did you start to00:35:55
concentrate on this work but not00:35:57
let's say we've been having difficulties since00:35:59
60 years old is all of a sudden I had I00:36:02
hit my forehead I said to myself00:36:03
let's see I returned to the cell00:36:06
fluid diff mechanics from Marseille in00:36:08
1964 we are in 2024 the difference00:36:11
it's been 60 years it's been 60 years since I00:36:14
beat against walls against00:36:16
fortresses, we'll talk about that later00:36:18
if you want to talk on the phone00:36:22
things like conspiracy but00:36:23
no it's not a conspiracy it's00:36:25
mediocrity but we'll talk about it00:36:26
will explain why it evolved like that00:36:28
so you see there you have this dipole00:36:30
tell well uh what could we do00:36:32
show you again just now00:36:33
show them the images of giant tower00:36:36
let's go back to these images here let's go00:36:38
not that it's not that it's not that's it00:36:40
that's it so there you have images00:36:42
which appeared in 2022 or 202300:36:45
something like that and the magazines have00:36:47
titled uh images of giant black hole00:36:50
it's as if it proved that it was00:36:52
black holes gold when you look00:36:53
these photos you see that the center00:36:55
it's not black at all eh and there is00:36:57
a very simple way to00:36:59
check you know you put on00:37:01
Photoshop on the original article and then00:37:04
you take a small square you go00:37:05
you walk so you take a square00:37:08
at the bottom you have a bar which you00:37:11
gives you the equivalent temperatures00:37:13
see it goes from black to light yellow00:37:16
so black is when it's cold and00:37:18
then the light yellow is when it is00:37:19
5.7 billion degrees next to it is 1400:37:22
billion degrees very good good then to00:37:24
that moment when you take a little00:37:26
square away from the object actually it00:37:28
is really black so it's cold00:37:29
the outside but when you take the00:37:31
square in the center there you have a00:37:33
surprise you see that it's 1.800:37:35
billion degrees so here is a black hole00:37:37
which is not really black since it is00:37:39
it's hot inside it's hot00:37:40
light good the other object is the object00:37:44
hypermassive which is at the center of the00:37:46
galaxy same thing so there you have 400:37:48
billion degrees at the center then you00:37:50
know what the the the the say00:37:51
specialists they say yes but it's00:37:53
because there is hot Gar in front00:37:54
it's extraordinary eh then00:37:57
actually uh I made one00:38:00
fairly advanced mathematical study I will00:38:02
tell you the following thing I believe00:38:05
maybe I'm the only one to say that00:38:07
I tell you categorically00:38:09
black hole theory is a pipe dream00:38:12
mathematics that doesn't hold up00:38:14
not standing and I remember what I00:38:16
said my late master Jean-Marie Souriot00:38:19
who died in 2012 he tells me but everything00:38:21
the world knows that it doesn't last00:38:22
all mathematicians know that00:38:24
can't hold on and that's what we're going to get to00:38:26
heart of the problem which is suddenly00:38:28
that theoretical physics and00:38:31
cosmologists have lost contact with00:38:33
mathematics uh strange00:38:35
said theoretical physics it is a00:38:37
physics which is which which is based on00:38:39
what is deficient mathematics?00:38:41
really good so there you go uh00:38:45
all this to tell you that people00:38:47
who are interested in this comic they00:38:49
will be able to be put in contact with00:38:51
all these things so that's it00:38:53
the problems that arise we have00:38:55
uh a big gap 200 million00:38:59
light but now the years have00:39:00
past we don't have one we have 5 or six00:39:03
and at that moment we can say that the00:39:05
great scientific reflection is00:39:07
what is going on some00:39:09
scientists believe that the laws of00:39:11
physics are not the same in these00:39:12
holes eh that's it but not simply and00:39:15
so indeed there was a one00:39:17
conference in Morocco 6 months ago people00:39:20
who had also invited illuminated00:39:22
the black hole expert and everyone00:39:24
nods saying maybe00:39:26
are we on the eve of a change00:39:28
paradigm but yes what is00:39:29
it’s just a paradigm shift00:39:31
consists of saying we will have to change00:39:33
vision of the universe and that for me00:39:36
door it's unthinkable that we have00:39:38
of such blocking good then next00:39:41
maybe we'll move on to a second one00:39:43
section and you will be able to present it00:39:45
so I gave two conferences then00:39:48
see for example you are talking about blocking00:39:50
but usually when we make a00:39:52
conference we say to ourselves there is a faculty00:39:54
who will lend me an amphitheater eh?00:39:56
absolutely because I also want to00:39:58
remember is that you actually you00:39:59
are not just a researcher at00:40:01
you in your house is that you00:40:03
have a recognized research background00:40:06
and official uh but I I made some00:40:09
a lot of work indeed if we00:40:10
start doing that it's like we00:40:12
opened a cupboard with boxes00:40:15
cardboard with photos there is there is00:40:16
lots of memories for 60 years00:40:19
work what I had two careers00:40:20
end up we can talk about it all at once00:40:22
time because we have time there was00:40:24
first 20 years of MHD and then 40 years of00:40:26
cosmology well well 20 years of MHD I can00:40:29
tell you the following thing is that00:40:30
at the end of these 20 years after having led00:40:32
conflicts fighting in00:40:34
mind-blowing conditions after doing00:40:37
experiments with equipment00:40:39
fortune in a maid's room00:40:41
day I ended up saying to myself it's not00:40:42
possible I put everything in a bag I00:40:44
put all my files in two bags00:40:46
big garbage bags and I was thrown00:40:48
it's in the trash, it's for when00:40:49
people talk to me about MHD I say listen00:40:51
I gave up in 1983, don't insist00:40:55
not it's over I don't want to be anymore00:40:56
put in but I made one00:40:59
conference in pertui uh and you there you00:41:02
find the address on my site00:41:04
internet unfortunately I didn't have it00:41:05
time I didn't prepare that we could have00:41:07
display it on the screen maybe we00:41:09
will display it in the delayed version00:41:10
what absolutely I will put everything in00:41:12
description both the because you00:41:14
you you you have a conference that I have00:41:16
gave a conference that lasts I think00:41:18
1h3 thing like this and there people00:41:21
asked me, do you00:41:22
could talk about your past00:41:23
researcher so I did it and this00:41:26
conference it is done while running00:41:28
it is and even I said the following thing00:41:30
is that there are so many things to00:41:31
say that I am going to read a text and it is00:41:34
did one thing I've never done00:41:35
example so that the sentences resonate00:41:38
every time so if you see this00:41:39
conference maybe you will00:41:41
stop saying I'm going to start everything again00:41:43
on time but when you see what I00:41:45
tells about the MHD it is to draw up the00:41:48
hair on the head it's really a00:41:50
incompetent [ __ ] festival00:41:54
but really we are completely past then00:41:56
what happened and00:41:58
well in00:41:59
1975 I suddenly thought about00:42:02
experiences that I had made00:42:03
laass fluid mechanics and with these00:42:06
experiences there we managed to make00:42:08
shock waves with forces00:42:10
electromagnetic without obstacles and00:42:12
this I said to myself but if we00:42:14
manages to create shock waves00:42:16
without obstacle perhaps only with these00:42:18
forces we can remove the shock waves00:42:20
and at that moment the idea was to arrive00:42:23
to make susonic flights and even00:42:25
hypersonic without shock wave00:42:27
well I can tell you this00:42:29
next time I thought I was crazy when00:42:32
we innovate and especially in France when we00:42:34
innovate we are taken for crazy00:42:37
so why do I dare to say that well00:42:40
it's because years later a00:42:42
day a representative of the CNRS arrives with00:42:45
a big file it was my file00:42:47
researcher and I said but do I00:42:49
can consult it ah yes there is no00:42:50
problem so I consulted it and I00:42:53
found a letter that was mail00:42:54
in English from a specialist00:42:58
American to whom the CNS had asked00:43:01
could say the letter was at00:43:03
we there is a guy who wants to fly without00:43:05
make a shock wave does it have a00:43:07
grain he and the answer was I can00:43:10
testify this man normal condition00:43:13
translation I can assure you that this00:43:15
guy enjoys all his wits that's it ad00:43:19
don strangeness i see nothing strange00:43:23
but you00:43:24
see I can assure you that this guy has00:43:26
all his head you realize and00:43:28
absolutely and and what you were in00:43:29
explaining just now and00:43:30
excuse me you didn't have00:43:32
finished the sentence is that you were in00:43:33
also saying that therefore you have00:43:35
hosted a conference recently00:43:36
conference time you are where00:43:38
you were obliged to pay the cost yourself00:43:40
rental of the room €2500 because we00:43:43
denies you access to amphitheaters00:43:45
while you still have a00:43:46
recognized background of researchers and and and00:43:49
you cannot present your work00:43:51
we will talk about the other aspects later00:43:53
of rejection on your work but in00:43:55
in any case you are obliged to00:43:57
to take care of making sales00:43:59
precisely to do the most promotion00:44:01
for the sale of your work for example00:44:02
with the comic strip for you to rent00:44:05
even a room to present00:44:07
scientific work that's not exactly00:44:09
for example last March we published00:44:13
a thousand copies of this tape00:44:15
drawn whose profile will be used to00:44:17
pay for the rental of the room00:44:19
realize I am obliged to00:44:21
earn money with my work for00:44:23
comb the rental of a room00:44:25
to give a conference because00:44:28
there's no point in me making one00:44:29
request for conferences there is even00:44:31
no response the seminars are00:44:33
closed do not respond there is a friend00:44:36
who has who00:44:39
to Gilbert Attard whom I quote adorable he00:44:43
told me you know you are the Frankenstein of00:44:45
science eh and I would like it00:44:49
come into debate but they have a00:44:52
scare me that you can't00:44:54
knowing it's not that I'm going to throw myself away00:44:56
on the people that I'm going to hit them00:44:58
insult not at all but I can accommodate00:45:01
a theorem between the two eyes at 20 m00:45:03
you see it's a bit like the wink of the00:45:06
theoretical physics they have a fear00:45:08
terrible you know when there is a00:45:10
conflict with scientists and when00:45:12
it's scientific to explain00:45:14
seminar but it's like a fight00:45:16
the extreme what see00:45:18
and this is done without raising the sight when00:45:22
we say to someone I'm sorry but00:45:25
I believe that what you00:45:27
idea is not entirely consistent with the00:45:29
problem posed it is catastrophic for00:45:31
this guy means you have nothing00:45:33
understood my good man that's all and00:45:35
I've already done things like that in00:45:37
seminar and the adversary is00:45:39
completely collapsed they did not00:45:41
want to be in front of me yes because00:45:44
what must also be added is that00:45:46
therefore in relation to your work and in00:45:47
the occurrence therefore your work around the00:45:48
model00:45:49
Janus the returns you have00:45:51
that is to say the rejection that you have for00:45:53
the publication of your work or even00:45:55
for the fact of being able to make conferences is that there is no00:45:57
argument behind you have00:45:58
academicians who are against you and who00:46:00
publish papers which show that they00:46:01
have not read your work you are talking about00:46:03
example of an academician who00:46:05
is called thbao d'amour if I'm wrong00:46:07
not who who who precisely took care of00:46:10
give answers to say that basically00:46:11
your model was wrong or at the beginning in00:46:15
in any case because afterwards there were00:46:16
paper changes but I00:46:17
I'll let it be told but in any case00:46:18
there is no answer00:46:19
really on the bottom which is another00:46:20
times for those who because for you00:46:22
it can obviously bathe you in00:46:24
this has been going on for years but there are some00:46:25
full in my opinion of spectators who will00:46:26
will discover that there we speak when00:46:28
even from a research environment00:46:29
scientifically we could say that there00:46:31
the goal is research so we00:46:33
the goal would be to work00:46:35
find as much as possible, well in fact00:46:38
information that we could here00:46:39
verify to advance science00:46:41
but there is no and there are blockages without00:46:42
reason then see there is one thing you00:46:45
evoke the character of thibao d'amour00:46:47
who is an academician thba of love it is00:46:49
Mister cosmology in France good eh00:46:52
so all of a sudden in 2019 it happened00:46:56
said that's it I found the flaw in00:46:57
the genus model eh and at that moment00:47:00
he installed in his Institute page00:47:02
high studies of bursurvette one00:47:05
article and it even does one thing00:47:07
extraordinary open your ears00:47:09
he sent a letter to my home00:47:12
ordered with acknowledgment of receipt00:47:14
realize this is the first time that00:47:15
it happens that an academician sends to a00:47:17
another scientist a letter00:47:18
recommended acknowledgment of receipt and00:47:20
it was a letter where he said this00:47:21
I put your work on the ground basta and00:47:24
at that point I responded but00:47:27
your criticism is relevant but that00:47:29
addresses previous work this00:47:30
problem is already solved and I00:47:33
sends the article in question but in00:47:35
the registered letter upon receipt uh00:47:38
you can show it on the screen I00:47:40
I will send you the image et cetera and we00:47:42
see a sentence I reserve the right00:47:44
to send a copy of this letter to00:47:46
anyone interested in the model00:47:48
genus in other words what love has00:47:50
fact is that he sent this letter00:47:53
and this report to all journalists00:47:55
scientists to all journalists in00:47:57
general and to all scientists who00:47:59
knew and once it was00:48:01
done because he really thought00:48:02
that he had solved the problem and I00:48:04
say well no actually no no now00:48:07
you address you report a00:48:10
problem which no longer exists what then00:48:12
obviously I offered to meet him00:48:14
no answer all I could do00:48:15
I read some writing no response to you00:48:18
you realize then if I lived00:48:20
Paris well I could take the train00:48:22
go to bursurivette and then return00:48:24
in his office saying my man00:48:25
now you can't tell what it is anymore00:48:27
you then realize everything differently00:48:29
it's total silence so I00:48:31
addressed to the president of the Academy of00:48:33
Sciences no answer I got00:48:35
addressed to Étienne J who is the00:48:36
permanent secretary no response I00:48:38
I spoke to Emmanuel Hulmo who is00:48:41
the director of his institute no00:48:43
answer is total silence but00:48:45
it is unimaginable because these00:48:47
this article is defamation00:48:49
scientific eh h it's the00:48:52
scientific defamation but for00:48:54
what do you think of love he says to himself00:48:56
it's not possible that he's right00:48:58
but it is true for example00:48:59
the hour and there and there I just allow myself00:49:01
to ask you a question because there00:49:02
There are lots of people there00:49:03
you discover so obviously it POS00:49:05
questions good what is the Janus model and c once again so00:49:07
that's why we keep it00:49:08
screen sharing for example for a00:49:09
popularized way you therefore have the comic00:49:11
Jean-Pierre little there you can00:49:12
obviously order we posted it00:49:15
link and it will be posted as a replay00:49:16
but above all it is I ask you00:49:17
directly the question what why in00:49:20
makes such reactions according to you00:49:22
would actually be for what danger00:49:24
represents your work that's what we00:49:25
might have difficulty understanding then00:49:27
we will show an image you have one00:49:29
image where we see Monsieur Albert is00:49:31
Einstein and then I no I think that00:49:33
this is this one no before before00:49:36
before that one then there at the top well you00:49:39
have Einstein with his equation you00:49:40
see up there r minu et cetera good00:49:43
obviously we are not going to detail what00:49:44
it's but this equation is the basis00:49:47
of general relativity and this00:49:49
general relativity and well it doesn't work00:49:52
more currently and what00:49:54
proposes Jean-Pierre Petit and his gang00:49:57
next image previous go ahead00:50:00
so yes I will show it to you00:50:02
hop so there you go and there you have the00:50:04
gus model what is it00:50:05
Janus model is not an equation00:50:07
it's two equations in other words00:50:10
what is the proposal and well00:50:12
Einstein's equation worked00:50:14
for a while it's not bad00:50:16
but now there's something better then you00:50:17
see pretend we do better00:50:19
that Einstein it's not possible it's not00:50:22
possible it's like pretending that we00:50:23
eliminates shock waves00:50:25
you see eh and when you when the00:50:28
people will say but what is it00:50:29
jamus model and well that's it00:50:30
proposal not to replace00:50:33
but to extend the Einstein model00:50:36
with this system which is00:50:37
mathematically more complex then00:50:40
and also add something so there00:50:42
well obviously because there the image00:50:43
that we show obviously comes from a00:50:45
BD but you have there are available00:50:47
on your site which we will put00:50:49
description obviously more than one00:50:50
forty videos that you were able to00:50:52
produce there are also obviously the00:50:53
works which can be consulted which00:50:54
are works uh well there we will say00:50:56
so it's not on tape00:50:58
drawn it’s it’s really work00:50:59
so totally so serious and and00:51:02
scientific reserved moreover for my00:51:03
advice to those who have the knowledge00:51:05
to be able to deal with these subjects I00:51:08
therefore invites you for those who would have00:51:09
the level and who would discover this subject00:51:10
there obviously to consult it we will put00:51:12
all links in description but you00:51:15
see I don't think we should be afraid00:51:17
words if I'm right then I am00:51:21
new Einstein you see but it's00:51:24
scary to say something like that00:51:26
not00:51:27
ah everyone is trembling but me00:51:29
I don't care I mean at 87 years old I I00:51:31
does not seek notoriety prices00:51:34
et cetera it's too late something like00:51:36
that but Fran is really in trouble00:51:40
in many areas we are in the process of00:51:42
to descend in free fall all at once00:51:44
suddenly with these two equations we have the00:51:47
possibility of being in the lead eh and there at00:51:49
cause of love thbo academician00:51:52
for 5 years which blocks all this00:51:55
luck we lose it then afterwards it00:51:57
passed the next thing as you00:52:00
say I had to pay to rent some00:52:02
rooms so I rented a room in March00:52:05
2024 in Paris and the year before in00:52:07
January 2023 I also rented a00:52:09
room so I had started doing this00:52:11
kind of conference and these conferences00:52:13
there they were not really aimed at00:52:15
general public let's say that there are lots of00:52:17
people who are engineers who are00:52:19
scientists who are00:52:21
mathematicians who have professional00:52:23
secondary school in physics and math which00:52:25
come then then indeed00:52:27
the man in the street sometimes if he00:52:28
came to a conference like that he said00:52:29
oh this is happening to me terribly00:52:31
above the head then it's true00:52:32
that when we had the conference00:52:34
from January 2023 I had you know00:52:38
when I give these conferences I00:52:40
think of the pertu room there were 50000:52:42
places and there it was only €150.00:52:45
when I announced in December 2023 that00:52:49
people00:52:50
could fill out a form to00:52:52
register in 15 days everything was taken care of00:52:55
that is to say that the two 50 places of00:52:57
pertu on December 15 finished the 50000:53:00
places00:53:01
of pertu the same and it is necessary to explain00:53:04
as well as the people who participate00:53:06
at your conferences are people who00:53:07
have a scientific background00:53:09
are not only people00:53:10
who discovered your popularization00:53:12
scientific there are obviously therefore00:53:14
people with real training00:53:16
and a high level I want to00:53:19
specify that you are in fact followed by00:53:21
yes of course of course of course then00:53:24
what I mean is that in this00:53:26
January conference we had some00:53:28
something like 40% of the room which was00:53:31
people who had a level00:53:32
special mathematics who had made00:53:33
higher studies and so on but for00:53:36
the March conference was 95% eh00:53:39
I was in front of a room when I00:53:41
asked people who are professional engineers00:53:43
et cetera raise your hands everyone00:53:44
raised your hand there were maybe 1000:53:46
people who were to be00:53:48
considered the general public you00:53:49
so see in other words all that00:53:52
it has a certain impact00:53:55
still good and good00:53:57
uh following the January conference he00:54:00
there is a young engineer called00:54:03
ISAM ZLI then it's a Franco-Moroccan00:54:06
that is to say, he is the son of a00:54:07
Moroccan mason who immigrated to France00:54:10
in the 70s then he was born00:54:12
in France good he is 44 years old he is married to00:54:15
a woman who is also Franco-Moroccan00:54:17
who comes from the bourgeoisie of du00:54:20
Morocco et cetera she is also an engineer00:54:22
he is an engineer he came across this00:54:24
that interested him, I wouldn’t say that00:54:26
interested him it fascinated him and if00:54:29
you want it's rare to meet00:54:31
passionate people or research we don't00:54:34
can't do that without passion you00:54:36
understand, well this guy there was00:54:39
passionate about this thing - I was amazed00:54:42
by its absorption capacity it made00:54:44
a completely engineering school00:54:46
OK but not normal00:54:47
higher is not Polytechnique eh00:54:49
that's it but on the other hand it has an opening00:54:52
I say in the preface to this book I have00:54:54
never seen a guy capable of going and00:54:57
to digest so many things too00:54:58
quickly so after 6 months it00:55:01
had gone around Janus and at this00:55:03
at that moment I didn't know how00:55:05
keep him busy I tell him listen write a00:55:08
book he wrote a book so he00:55:10
wrote this book cosmological model Janus00:55:12
bimetric universe perspective and challenge00:55:15
it's a book that continues to grow00:55:17
currently does something like00:55:18
230 pages eh so let's say that for00:55:21
the general public they can buy it00:55:23
like a collector's item they00:55:25
will put in in the library see00:55:27
eh they can also buy it for00:55:29
support this boy because normally00:55:31
it is very important that this book is00:55:33
bought but also and there it is so good00:55:36
it is a work truly00:55:37
technique reserved for understanding00:55:39
to those who have training00:55:40
scientific however and that makes you00:55:42
good to remind you, it’s such a topic00:55:43
that we are approaching where we are talking00:55:45
ultimately in fact of censorship of00:55:46
sabotage to work and which can00:55:49
have a big impact on health00:55:51
moral finally daily life itself00:55:53
for someone's professional life00:55:55
here, don't hesitate to obviously also00:55:57
consult this book wherever00:55:59
to support the person or even if00:56:00
you have a scientific background00:56:02
obviously to work on it for00:56:04
discover the work that was able to be carried out00:56:06
so Mr. ISAM zgel there you go00:56:08
so GTI 44 years old it has a very good00:56:12
head he came you will see that00:56:16
you will see it in me I made him00:56:18
I made him participate in the conference00:56:19
from March he speaks very well then after he00:56:22
signed his book he was everything00:56:23
happy but if someone suddenly00:56:26
was aware that something was happening00:56:28
pass we will say but there you go Mr. little00:56:31
apparently your work has something00:56:33
something important so what is it00:56:35
should be done what should be done00:56:36
to do would it take money00:56:38
money you know me it's the00:56:39
paper pencil if you give me a pen00:56:42
in massive nor that won't change me00:56:44
a lot but there is one thing00:56:46
I think Mr. ISAM gli should00:56:48
have a research position and that00:56:51
France it is not possible it is not00:56:53
not possible because we have we we are00:56:56
unable to welcome talent voz00:56:58
but what is his current situation00:56:59
maybe to give more pressure00:57:01
because there you talked about his00:57:02
basic course00:57:03
so therefore naturalized French he has he has00:57:06
then completed higher studies in00:57:08
France but what is its sound00:57:10
its its current status why by00:57:11
example isn't it a researcher is it00:57:13
that he works in the environment00:57:14
scientist but in another position ah00:57:16
no he works in a company he00:57:17
work as a00:57:18
computer scientist is really also a00:57:20
work he did on the side not00:57:22
researcher quite simply it is a00:57:23
guy who was very interested in00:57:25
physical and then he had an appetite for00:57:27
extraordinary knowledge what is it00:57:29
all I have ever encountered that so this00:57:31
book there well the people who are at the level00:57:33
matp et cetera which the L which say and00:57:36
he wrote it, it's not me00:57:38
I wasn't there holding him00:57:40
hand that's all00:57:42
so the urgency would be to do00:57:44
so that this boy can do some00:57:46
full-time research you see and that00:57:48
it's not possible it's not thinkable we00:57:50
will say but you understand it would be necessary00:57:52
do a degree in physics would be necessary00:57:53
that he passes to Dea he would have to00:57:55
can't get away with it so00:57:57
at that moment the only thing I see is it00:57:59
turns out that our work is very good00:58:02
welcomed in Morocco by00:58:03
mathematicians then there are00:58:05
mathematicians from the University of Raba00:58:07
who were also students of00:58:08
sourot that's why they were00:58:10
receptive to this kind of thing then I00:58:12
am also in contact with a00:58:13
mathematician who is also00:58:15
Franco-Moroccan who also immigrated who00:58:17
was naturalized French who made a00:58:19
career in France and 70 years old eh well he00:58:21
is a mathematician the welcome is all at00:58:23
does good good and I you know me I I00:58:26
put in in my site be00:58:28
realistic consider the possible you know00:58:30
this old motto of M 68 but it is00:58:33
really, let's be realistic, what is it?00:58:35
what needs to be done so that ichan can00:58:38
have a research position well I00:58:40
only see one solution when we00:58:42
will have a sufficiently constructed file00:58:44
well I will try to meet the king of00:58:45
Morocco eh and I would tell him listen no00:58:48
but there's only that, let's say we need a00:58:50
autocratic power of a guy who will say00:58:53
well listen I slap my fingers00:58:55
do what is necessary yes it is and and and00:58:57
there that is to say that there you00:58:58
actually raise a problem we have one00:59:00
could talk about it during our first00:59:01
exchange uh a problem in fact which00:59:03
affects all areas in fact00:59:04
France and which is actually showing the00:59:06
situation in which France is00:59:07
currently unfortunately it is in00:59:08
a phase of complete decline which does not00:59:10
not00:59:11
French lation and from all angles00:59:13
you know there we are talking about the middle00:59:15
scientific but the number of young people00:59:16
craftsmen who expatriate because00:59:18
they can't work00:59:19
together because of the conditions00:59:20
obviously either economical or even00:59:22
term you know of regulation of00:59:23
laws that cannot work in00:59:25
done in condition they are obliged in00:59:27
actually leaving the country00:59:29
quite simply work and there we see00:59:31
also therefore that it also affects the00:59:34
therefore scientific environment and there for this00:59:36
who appreciates in addition we do not present00:59:37
that's when we introduce you00:59:39
mister little, we are not talking about00:59:40
someone who is all alone in his00:59:42
room it is still a journey of00:59:44
of recognized researchers with in fact a00:59:46
work which is therefore carried out and which00:59:49
is not criticized which is not analyzed00:59:51
oror when it was analyzed between00:59:53
quotation marks to lead to an answer00:59:55
it was it's an additional answer which00:59:56
was false so it's it's it's a00:59:59
situation which is really01:00:00
catastrophic but you know then we01:00:02
will we be able to talk about it what is it01:00:04
cosmology what is it01:00:05
astrophysics well well you take by01:00:07
example theoretical physics01:00:08
theoretical physics it is in crisis01:00:10
so I'm going to name names take one01:00:12
character that we see quite often01:00:14
it's Aurélien Barot but what is01:00:16
Aurélien Barot released a response01:00:19
nothing take luminé what does he have01:00:21
released an image of a black hole01:00:23
that is to say nothing take the expert chz01:00:26
in general relativity what does it have01:00:28
produces nothing all these people are01:00:30
not productive see it's01:00:32
extraordinary take Françoise Courelle01:00:35
says she has 1000 posts but01:00:37
what will remain of this GL in01:00:39
the history of science see he was a01:00:41
time you are going to speak at the time01:00:42
Napoleonic you look at the Academy01:00:44
sciences but you have names01:00:46
in there the place the barn thing01:00:50
fish you have half of these01:00:52
people who were going to stay in the01:00:53
dictionary you find their name01:00:56
now you take the Academy of01:00:57
Sciences and you say but what01:00:59
who will leave some trace01:01:00
no one eh so now what01:01:03
what people do is that they become01:01:05
popularizers that’s what annoys them01:01:07
it’s that I’m not bad too01:01:08
on this side and not only am I01:01:09
not bad me my traces remain01:01:12
sustainable while others are not01:01:13
example there is someone who comes from01:01:15
die who is uber r peace to his soul01:01:17
but what did uber r produce01:01:19
scientific product nothing he produced01:01:21
of speech the universe which was a01:01:23
very hot little ball et cetera and01:01:25
currently what these people are doing they01:01:27
make videos01:01:28
we no longer finish you have a guy whose01:01:30
I forget the name of these big questions01:01:33
that's what's before the big one01:01:34
bang does time exist can we01:01:36
travel in time finally stuff01:01:38
like that they no longer know what to do01:01:39
are they making one video per week for01:01:42
one book per month too and one book per01:01:44
months and what's in these01:01:45
Bouqu there is nothing take one01:01:47
peu lumin by lumin released 2 3 ago01:01:51
in a book called the foam of01:01:53
space-time and he told me that01:01:56
Jacob's editions asked him what01:01:59
book for a long time but when you01:02:00
see this book you say but01:02:02
what do I get out of it, nothing, nothing01:02:04
are books in which everything01:02:06
is conditional would be could01:02:09
would explain these are tracks then he01:02:11
there is a first clue that this one01:02:13
second track that jeanus is not01:02:15
the same it's really we have you know it01:02:18
there is this English word which is Clem01:02:20
claim exactly there is one01:02:22
claim this model there it explains01:02:24
about twenty of the phenomenon01:02:26
observational and it is not01:02:28
contradiction with any of these01:02:29
phenomena but I would have another01:02:31
question to ask yourself because there then01:02:33
we are talking about a problem that there is01:02:34
in France but therefore since the time when01:02:36
where you carry out this work uh01:02:38
what stopped you from either01:02:41
to seek to publish your work either01:02:44
abroad or even are your01:02:45
work was resumed because01:02:47
maybe you can talk one01:02:48
a little bit, that is, even France01:02:50
today beyond being completely01:02:52
to pick it up eh to say it01:02:53
term or even to be able to sabotage01:02:54
certain areas uh it needs to be explained01:02:56
as well as in the scientific community01:02:58
today it is really dominated by01:02:59
Anglo-Saxon environment in any case01:03:01
magazines are English speaking so uh uh01:03:03
what was the reception uh in these01:03:05
environments of your work because there01:03:06
we talk about certain Voes as best we could01:03:08
talk about your comic strip which uh which01:03:11
who is still who has who had a01:03:12
strong popularization success which can01:03:14
still show that there is a01:03:15
real work that is being done is01:03:17
important to remember uh and by01:03:19
in relation to your other work that she has01:03:21
been the reception for example in the01:03:22
Anglo-Saxon environment so if you want01:03:24
there is one thing is that01:03:26
uh I think that actually but there01:03:29
there is a crisis in this science01:03:31
Anglo-Saxon but I will talk about it in a01:03:33
second time in the first time I01:03:35
tell you first I start by doing01:03:36
20 years of MHD eh and that’s 20 years of01:03:39
MHD if we really want to have a01:03:40
quick description in current it is necessary01:03:42
watch the video of the conference01:03:44
that I gave the pertu eh that's it then01:03:46
actually uh I am inventive01:03:50
It was my mom who made me like01:03:52
that eh when me you know I think01:03:56
I spent the whole war in a01:03:58
lost place and I had no01:04:00
toys then as I had no toys01:04:02
I had to invent things01:04:04
toys children who are obliged01:04:06
to invent their toys because there are01:04:07
nothing at all does it go very far by01:04:10
there was I didn't have a train01:04:11
electric I've never had one so at this01:04:13
moment with iron wires I made01:04:15
a railroad track and I put that on01:04:17
a board and I had a train01:04:19
roulette that I could circulate in01:04:21
moving the board so there I was01:04:23
obliged to invent my toys I01:04:25
remember that when01:04:26
I was a student in a small class01:04:29
I made a machine gun01:04:30
match for example with a crank01:04:32
cl cl then it was my physics teacher01:04:35
who said to the principal listen to this guy01:04:38
will be an engineer later it's not01:04:39
look what he invented I told him01:04:41
confiscate a machine gun today01:04:43
ok so here it is01:04:45
I was I couldn't do anything else01:04:47
what else to invent when I am01:04:50
returned to superhéos this is exactly what01:04:51
that I did and an inventor above all01:04:54
it’s a pain in the ass eh uh and when01:04:57
I was in superheroes I made01:04:59
physics experiments which were01:05:01
considered impossible ENF no I01:05:03
think I'm closing the file because01:05:05
that it would be so good yes of all01:05:06
way again I really can01:05:08
simply invite them01:05:09
spectators who who discovered you at01:05:11
view the conferences you have01:05:12
could even give all the interviews he01:05:15
there is both good on your channel or01:05:16
even the interviews he may have had on01:05:18
different specific subjects because01:05:19
each time it can still take01:05:21
quite a bit of time but in any case01:05:22
you have everything accessible01:05:24
don't hesitate to look at me then01:05:26
we come to the MHD uh so I'm coming back01:05:29
at the CNRS in01:05:31
1964 as a research engineer and01:05:34
at that moment I have a contract I must01:05:36
study this cel I discover MHD and01:05:40
then what I do is that being01:05:43
faced with an experimental problem I01:05:45
I asked myself what is the01:05:47
theory that goes with it and what01:05:49
that moment I invested in math01:05:51
that go with it I don't have a strong taste01:05:53
for mathematics but I don't know01:05:55
not when you have to do01:05:56
mechanics you look at the manual you01:05:58
read the manual but you have to01:06:00
I immersed myself in the theory01:06:02
so imagine that this MHD has01:06:05
a property is that it can be understood01:06:07
in a 7p-dimensional space and not 401:06:09
it's not bad eh so I found it01:06:11
that's funny I found it funny oh01:06:13
great so I started writing01:06:15
things on the board and my colleagues01:06:17
when they passed they said but you01:06:19
write what it is Chinese no no01:06:21
it is a special mathematics that we01:06:23
use to do this it's called01:06:24
diadic algebra then it is01:06:26
funny there are lots of little droppings01:06:27
of mouths of the stars of things but01:06:29
It works well and thanks to that I have01:06:32
I progressed very quickly which means01:06:34
that from 1967 3 years later I achieved a01:06:38
experience on which everyone01:06:39
had failed I made it work01:06:41
device with two temperatures instead01:06:43
of one you see eh and that was01:06:45
presented at cololloc international and the01:06:48
Russians whose leader was01:06:50
vellikov he said and imagine01:06:53
that those who are in advance are the01:06:56
French you hear we were in01:06:57
advance and the French were01:06:59
Jean-Pierre Petit in Marseille in his01:07:01
lab and01:07:04
suddenly the entire MHD community made a01:07:07
international roommate in Marseille01:07:09
something like this has never happened01:07:11
see then uh then well well I01:07:15
left this laboratory for a01:07:16
very simple reason is that if I were01:07:18
stayed in there I would have gone crazy01:07:20
you know there are there are circles of01:07:22
search which are downright baskets01:07:23
of crab you have to go then to a01:07:25
moment I said to myself okay if I stay01:07:27
it's going to be very unfortunate in there01:07:28
we must leave this device now01:07:31
I built that weighs tens of01:07:33
tones I won't be able to take it under01:07:35
my arm the only way to be free01:07:37
it's paper pencil and at that moment01:07:39
I became a pure theoretician and it is01:07:42
you know that's what allows you to be01:07:43
free a mathematician he is free01:07:45
no one can annoy him we can't01:07:47
cut off his credits if we take him01:07:49
his pen he will take another pen01:07:51
that's it for 40 years01:07:53
I was a theoretician and I was able to have01:07:55
my freedom and then well it's told01:07:59
in the video I imagined that we could01:08:01
remove shock waves from ones01:08:04
shock that's an analogy it's the waves01:08:06
from the transoms of the boats so with a friend01:08:08
whose name is Maurice vital who is dead01:08:10
a year ago and well we made a01:08:12
experience we managed to remove a01:08:14
wave of traves it was still quite good01:08:16
extraordinary01:08:17
well everything is told in this video01:08:20
with pictures and simply uh01:08:24
the army screwed everything up the army01:08:27
everything [ __ ] up why because01:08:29
for her it was a secret defense thing01:08:31
this led to missiles of01:08:33
hypersonic cruise the word was01:08:35
used since the 70s then01:08:39
just what the people said01:08:40
military never Jean-Pierre Petit01:08:42
will not agree to sign an agreement01:08:44
defense secret read for him research01:08:47
it's necessarily open he will never want01:08:49
walk with the challenge plus I wasn't01:08:52
especially tempted by research01:08:54
military you see he no really01:08:56
so uh what they tried to do01:08:58
many times it is to take my01:09:01
ideas and try to develop them01:09:02
elsewhere and I remember there01:09:05
had a guy whose first name was01:09:06
Gilles one day he comes into his house01:09:09
the director of French research01:09:11
soldier with a file that I had01:09:13
written and he has this sentence now01:09:15
that we have Jean-Pierre's ideas01:09:17
Little why bother us with him01:09:18
see that is to say that this whole caste01:09:21
idiot uh would give himself the rights01:09:25
to be extremely dishonest and cynical01:09:28
in the interest of France in01:09:29
the interest of the strategy what01:09:31
let's say that scientific plunder01:09:34
does not exist in the army if we take01:09:36
ideas are in the interest of01:09:37
country see this is great then01:09:40
after 20 years like that I said okay01:09:42
listen to me, I'll stop, that's all, and I have01:09:45
changed discipline I completely01:09:46
abandoned see so now I01:09:50
am then put the publications but01:09:53
you know how to say uh it's not the01:09:57
Anglo-Saxon world when we innovate uh01:10:01
those who receive these innovations have01:10:05
always a negative reaction by01:10:07
example when I published these calculations01:10:10
on these these gases at two temperatures I have01:10:13
sent this to a magazine called La01:10:15
French Theoretical Mechanics Review01:10:18
well it was the best in the field that01:10:21
was given to an academician who01:10:22
was called cabin and this cabin made01:10:25
as a report this work reveals01:10:28
deep ignorance in the01:10:29
domain see and I almost got screwed01:10:32
at the door of the CNRS ok so then at this01:10:36
at that time there was a Russian who came01:10:37
see me and he saw this work and he01:10:40
had the opposite reaction he he said he01:10:43
was called Louis KOF you solved a01:10:45
problem on which me and my01:10:47
collaborators stumbled for01:10:48
many years and he said I ask01:10:50
where is this going to be published I tell him01:10:52
said I didn't inform the trouble01:10:54
that I had with French so I gave him01:10:56
took me I gave him the article he01:10:58
published in Russia so 2 3 months later01:11:01
it was published in Russian something from 1701:11:03
page and at that time there was the01:11:05
CNRS Commission which was to judge01:11:07
my fate you know at the CNRS we begin01:11:09
by having a position as an attaché01:11:11
research which lasts 5 years then at the end of01:11:12
5 years if we have we have we have not given you01:11:15
a position if you have not been established01:11:17
as a researcher you are screwed to01:11:18
the door so there I was about to01:11:21
get out the door01:11:23
and the presiding officer of the session said01:11:26
okay so now we're going01:11:28
consult the file of a researcher that01:11:30
people already know a certain01:11:32
Jean-Pierre Petit, looking up at01:11:34
heaven saying it's a pain in the ass01:11:36
complete so I will read it to you01:11:39
report of that01:11:43
the expert did on his work and he01:11:46
at this sentence and at that moment the01:11:48
union representative had a packet of01:11:51
paper and he says well listen to me I have a01:11:52
another sound of the bell and he distributes to the01:11:54
theft of copies of the Russian article and01:11:57
its American translation into English01:11:59
let's say the Russians the Americans01:12:01
followed the Russian publications they01:12:03
found it fascinating they01:12:04
asked for permission to translate it01:12:06
in other words I made a double which01:12:08
was Russian and American and at this01:12:11
chairman of the session says oh well that’s it01:12:13
something new and indeed I01:12:15
see that France has01:12:18
brilliant theorists who are those01:12:19
who want them to pass so that they01:12:20
go load everyone raised their hands01:12:22
hand I passed ricraac but you01:12:24
know as they say felt the wind of01:12:25
ball there is a wickedness there is a01:12:28
malevolence but it's scary01:12:30
why was cabin so aggressive01:12:33
it's because he worked in the01:12:34
same field as me and he had01:12:36
nothing found, I had found something01:12:38
thing then VO it's not the question that01:12:39
it's Anglo-Saxon, not Anglo-Saxon, we don't01:12:42
doesn't want the amateur to leave01:12:44
taking away the bonus eh that's it then01:12:46
after now I think it is necessary01:12:48
give a little twist on cosmology01:12:51
This is very important, it brings us to01:12:53
beginning of the century that brings us to 190001:12:56
1902 and there at that time there were01:13:00
progress made in mathematics01:13:02
there are a few in France actually01:13:04
but there are especially in Germany and01:13:05
in Germany there is a town which01:13:07
is called gotingen eh and sung by01:13:10
Barbara gotingen VO and uh in this01:13:13
city you have a brilliant mathematician01:13:15
whose name is Hilbert eh then you01:13:18
have a whole population of people01:13:20
extraordinary there is Einstein of course01:13:22
there are schwarzil there are there are heaps01:13:24
of people there are v extraordinary people and01:13:26
at the time uh this new science01:13:30
was being born between 1902 and01:13:32
1930 was in Germany by the way uh01:13:36
you know the researchers of this01:13:37
time they were multilingual a type01:13:40
did not only speak French or01:13:42
German he spoke CIN or six languages01:13:43
easy good then you had people01:13:45
like edington in england which01:13:47
understood the German Dirac it was01:13:49
the same so let's say that if you didn't read01:13:51
not fluent in German you were in01:13:53
completely good game so all that has01:13:56
given also it is necessary to explain something01:13:58
something perhaps for people who01:13:59
would have difficulty imagining the context01:14:00
of the time the technological level01:14:02
was not the same so for the01:14:03
transmission of information there was01:14:05
no Internet there was no uh I know01:14:07
not photocopiers and so on01:14:09
uh it was necessary to have access to01:14:11
the information was much more01:14:12
complicated so it was also necessary01:14:14
let's say that the only vehicle01:14:16
of information on a large scale it was01:14:18
the book but not everyone published01:14:20
not books or if people01:14:21
made books it was in German01:14:23
you understand then you don't have01:14:24
what to buy the book by Monsieur hotel01:14:26
you read German no well that’s it eh01:14:28
and translating it was very complicated01:14:30
so you had to be German and you01:14:33
know very well that from the years01:14:35
30 there were many Jews in01:14:37
this gang the Nazis [ __ ] them up01:14:39
outside saz there is an anecdote which is01:14:41
funny enough rust was the minister of01:14:44
the Search for Hitler and it was a01:14:47
a convinced Nazi he even committed suicide01:14:49
the end of the war or you surrender01:14:51
counts and then rust arrives in gutingen01:14:53
and he Hilbert was the the the president01:14:57
from the university and he tells him professor01:15:00
Hilbert does your university have01:15:03
a lot of money from TP chif no no no he01:15:06
didn't suffer didn't suffer no01:15:09
no no she no longer exists that's all01:15:12
it's true that in those years everything01:15:14
suddenly everything is vaporized then01:15:16
all that is01:15:18
gone to01:15:20
United States and England and then the01:15:23
what's that like this broadcast?01:15:25
scientific then it is very correct that01:15:28
that you report this problem to me01:15:31
when I started my job01:15:33
researcher when I was doing a01:15:34
publication the publisher sent me this01:15:36
that we called offprints it's I01:15:38
going about ten a dozen of01:15:40
pages like that from separate edition01:15:43
and I could send that to01:15:45
colleagues but you realize01:15:46
now we send a PDF and we can01:15:49
send as many as you want 15001:15:51
while I, when I had exhausted my01:15:52
20 reprints are screwed and what is it?01:15:54
what you are going to do you are not going to01:15:55
take a photo of this with a little01:15:58
camera pull it's not possible what01:16:00
so afterwards when we wanted to make01:16:02
things and that it can spread to you01:16:05
NZ can't believe your eyes we were typing01:16:07
machine on tracing papers01:16:09
there was definitely ammonia01:16:10
first name yes and then once we01:16:12
had the sheets typed01:16:14
then we drew the figures01:16:15
the encrochine eh at that moment we01:16:17
put it on the scent of leaves of01:16:19
yellow paper and we insulated it with01:16:22
ultraviolet or I don't know what one01:16:23
something like that and once we had that we01:16:25
took these yellow leaves we took them01:16:27
put it in a cupboard and then we01:16:28
poured some boniac, that was extraordina01:16:30
nosedived and at that moment we01:16:32
could see you realize but01:16:35
that's how it happened01:16:36
so now when we see that the01:16:38
people they have the email address so he01:16:41
there is also one thing which is that the01:16:42
essential work done by the01:16:44
Germans they have not been translated01:16:47
before very late dates by I01:16:49
found a very important job of a01:16:51
German mathemedicine called01:16:53
Ludic flame and 2nd inventor of the01:16:56
flame surface and well its work has01:16:59
was translated I believe in 2012 see 2 yes01:17:04
2012 here is now cosmology01:17:07
is mainly based on two works01:17:10
two articles produced by one01:17:11
mathemetician called schwarzild01:17:14
and schwarzild you know there is a01:17:16
thing that is repeated is that when there is01:17:17
had the War of 1418 a lot of of of of01:17:20
scientists who are German or01:17:22
French or English they went01:17:23
have the Guer killed01:17:25
that's it and you have a mathematician01:17:27
whose name is Werner boy Werner boy who01:17:30
is a bit like the inventor of topology01:17:33
what he found was something01:17:34
extraordinary but he went01:17:36
have him killed he died on the 15th01:17:38
first days in a in a01:17:39
decided what he committed to at 29 years old 301:17:43
months later he was dead it's all good01:17:45
so schwar got involved also he had01:17:48
I think two children he was 34 years old01:17:51
but for the for the glory of01:17:53
Germany and for the Kaiser it is01:17:54
hired and he died of illness on01:17:57
the Russian front the same but the thing is01:18:00
that he had published in 1916 in January01:18:05
a first article which was precisely01:18:08
used by craftsmen01:18:10
tronnoir and then made a second one01:18:13
in February a month later and well01:18:15
the first article was translated into01:18:18
1975 and the second in01:18:21
uh something like01:18:24
989 or something like that you see then01:18:28
that does one thing is that these01:18:30
articlesl they exist in translation01:18:32
English now but there are lots01:18:35
of people who don't even know they exist01:18:37
eh so I say the following thing01:18:40
it is that when I read the works of01:18:42
people of 1915 1916 I am faced with01:18:45
insightful and intelligent people if and01:18:48
This is mentioned in the comic strip01:18:51
I'm talking about chcil's first article01:18:53
especially the second in this second article01:18:55
scharcil bluntly writes that when we have01:18:59
a mass of matter like a01:19:02
neutron star for example and that the01:19:04
mass increases beyond a certain01:19:06
areas the speed of light varies01:19:08
you hear the speed of light01:19:11
varies it is written in German in this01:19:13
text but what notices a01:19:15
similar thing in 1916 in other words in01:19:18
1916 people had enough minds01:19:22
free to consider such a thing01:19:23
or now if you can take a01:19:26
book which is 900 pages which is called01:19:28
gravitation gravitation which is John01:19:31
Willer from Thor and Bisner and well01:19:36
when you read this01:19:38
book there is [ __ ] but who01:19:40
honestly beyond the imagination eh01:19:43
you know the [ __ ] is01:19:45
say bah when you go inside01:19:47
of the black hole then you have01:19:49
coordinates t is time and R is01:19:51
the department well you know inside and01:19:53
well it becomes radius and it becomes the01:19:55
time but you hear something like that01:19:57
I don't know but someone with common sense01:19:59
is said but it goes well in your head01:20:01
but it is written in black and white in the01:20:03
Bouin Willer is the official thesis01:20:05
people from black holes we want to01:20:07
say but wake up guys01:20:08
what happened then what01:20:10
happened is that these concepts01:20:13
cosmological it was necessary that01:20:14
someone suddenly the f the les01:20:18
broadcast then the first is Einstein01:20:20
Einstein arrived in the 1930s01:20:23
in the United States he gave he knows01:20:25
conferences mainly on01:20:27
west coast he gave several01:20:29
conferences and there is a guy who was01:20:31
particularly respectful to its01:20:33
conferences it is Richard Tolman who01:20:35
was already 50 years old at the time which was01:20:37
a mathematician a physicist then him01:20:39
he read German avment and he01:20:41
discussed with Einstein he could not01:20:44
make photos that didn't exist01:20:45
not but maybe queinstein told him01:20:47
past of of of offprints or a01:20:49
something like that he had the material and01:20:52
he wrote a book and this book and01:20:54
released in 1934 so a book I have01:20:58
I got a copy of it, 400 pages long.01:21:00
has the mathematical bases there is everything01:21:02
that we want the relative terest there it is01:21:04
really well done so when a book01:21:07
as it comes out it becomes the Bible01:21:09
downright the reference and the book of01:21:12
Tolman is definitely better01:21:14
quality that the [ __ ] of who is called01:21:16
Willer gravitation which is a01:21:17
[ __ ] what good is the book01:21:20
Toman is very good but in this book he01:21:22
makes a mistake it happens he makes a mistake01:21:25
error uh because he didn't understand01:21:28
that when schwarzil releases his work01:21:31
it uses a variable big R and big01:21:34
R is not the radius and all of a sudden01:21:37
the big R becomes the little r see all01:21:39
suddenly someone says oh well I01:21:40
I'm going to put little A and S when we01:21:43
returns to the b of chtil it is the error which01:21:45
screwed everyone up and being01:21:47
given that this thing becomes the Bible and01:21:49
well immediately all Americans01:21:51
become proponents of01:21:54
Tolman's work this error does not01:21:57
summer01:21:58
noticed no and then there is a type01:22:01
who jumps in there too is01:22:03
Robert Openenheimer and Robert Openenheer01:22:06
he was a son of a family01:22:08
rich enough he had means and he01:22:11
first left to do a thesis01:22:13
doctorate in Germany and01:22:15
obviously openheimer read sanskrit01:22:19
and he spoke German fluently01:22:21
so there he understands everything he has seen01:22:23
has a very brilliant mind that's for01:22:25
that's what he invented for us, this beautiful01:22:27
bomomic what and when he came back he01:22:29
began to do work on01:22:31
cosmology he published an article in01:22:32
1939 and this article there you will read01:22:35
everywhere that it is the founding article01:22:37
black holes and there again there are01:22:39
this little error that slips in01:22:41
which no one pays attention to and then01:22:43
so then there is war 3945 there01:22:46
everyone is on the bomb but01:22:48
it's the same openheimer was in the01:22:50
manaton project but Tolman also all the01:22:52
world mobilized all these people we were01:22:54
mobilized or he is also Arté in the01:22:55
manathon project so they were especially01:22:58
interested in outdoor experiences01:22:59
air like the atomic love that was01:23:01
kind of all of a sudden01:23:02
application of current theories pu01:23:04
in the pres-gerre in 45 ben toman he01:23:08
over 60 years old he died I think 6701:23:10
years old he is already sick so it is01:23:12
finished he comes out of there Einstein it's the same01:23:16
I don't know what year he died01:23:18
in the 50s he will be dead in 5401:23:21
so it's fast01:23:22
faital mer he had something other than01:23:24
of doing cosmology he had enough01:23:26
[ __ ] with the lawsuits we have against him01:23:28
made because of the bombing you01:23:29
know all that then what01:23:31
happened and well there are people who01:23:33
have recovered all that and the main01:23:36
artisan in this matter is John01:23:37
Willer and John Willer he says hey I01:23:41
I'm going to do cosmology then with01:23:44
his friends made a dream01:23:46
and it's the black hole and then there was01:23:49
mathematical contributions of01:23:51
crucial of the contributions of the01:23:55
and the chimera took shape with01:23:59
successive errors which are01:24:01
unimaginable that only the01:24:03
mathematicians and it is there at this01:24:05
that moment that we want to say but01:24:07
these people who do cosmology they01:24:10
have lost touch with math eh01:24:13
and see there is one thing it's me01:24:17
I didn't hang out with a lot of people because01:24:19
perhaps I was quite unapproachable01:24:20
I don't know but I worked with it01:24:25
André Lichnerovitz academician and01:24:27
mathematician who left a name in01:24:29
maths eh then there was Bernard01:24:33
Morin who died 2 or 3 years ago01:24:35
was also a great mathematician01:24:37
large-scale then obviously there01:24:40
to Jean-Marie Sourot with whom I worked01:24:43
20 years and then there is grotendck eh I01:24:45
don't know if you've heard of01:24:47
grotendic it's it's kind of guy01:24:49
unimaginable gr was a01:24:52
stateless is a name that sounds like01:24:54
something Dutch I think01:24:56
was Jewish anyway finally in patrid01:24:58
his father had been an activist uh01:25:01
what do we call it already it's n01:25:04
not a communist he is uh ah there there01:25:07
uh libertarian what yeah yes so he01:25:11
came from a completely uh family01:25:16
crazy and uh he he started to be01:25:21
I was good at math, you know there01:25:23
people like that do things01:25:25
impossible as if we were talking01:25:28
normally what then the French01:25:30
are seen don was great and the01:25:33
people said we should naturalize him01:25:34
French eh but at this point01:25:37
question is that to be naturalized01:25:39
you had to do your military service01:25:41
he didn't want to because he was01:25:42
antimilitarist ah well yeah and I know01:25:45
not even if he was naturalized perhaps01:25:47
he was, if he was, it was without doing01:25:49
his service and we made one01:25:52
university professor but01:25:54
as he was not French he could01:25:56
not have a job01:25:58
institutional but I had a good laugh01:26:01
with you know how I knew01:26:03
contendck it's not me who has it01:26:05
contacted he was the one who contacted me01:26:07
why because I was01:26:09
incorruptible towards the army what01:26:10
I mean that I propose to01:26:12
working for the army the answer01:26:13
would have been no that's all that's good01:26:16
so we knew each other and I knew that he01:26:20
he was hidden he was hidden in a01:26:22
small village called Mormoiron01:26:24
which is near carpentrass and01:26:27
the time he was an ecologist before the01:26:30
letter he made his bread he had a01:26:32
four he had a big beard it's01:26:34
extraordinary good I spent01:26:36
delicious moments with this guy and he01:26:38
gave me some tips01:26:40
advice and all that then I01:26:42
known this incredible number which is01:26:45
sourriio siourriio is the enchanter01:26:47
Merlin what I could see very well with01:26:49
a pointy hat with stars like01:26:51
that and SIO he's an extraordinary guy01:26:55
he is a great mathematician and he is a01:26:57
great physicist and this is the example01:26:59
extremely rare of a type who was both01:27:01
mat physicist there is no such thing01:27:04
like this and01:27:07
SIO he never learned a word01:27:09
of English you01:27:12
hear one of his daughters had married01:27:14
an American whose name was not Marc01:27:17
and when Marc came he said Mar01:27:21
kitchen eat01:27:24
not a word and why well I think01:27:27
that there was a sort of a priori when01:27:28
we questioned him he said but the01:27:30
French is an interesting language01:27:32
what and it's true that I01:27:34
understand now I understand it01:27:35
because look what happened01:27:37
when science became01:27:39
angloaxon well it's English has become01:27:41
the dominant language eh ok now01:27:44
if you don't speak English if you01:27:45
don't read english you can't01:27:47
being a scientist is everything and according to01:27:48
you it is from what period01:27:49
that there has been this change01:27:51
after the war I believe I believe that01:27:54
after the war then there were two things01:27:56
which are generalized there was the01:27:58
English language well it's true that it01:28:00
there has to be a language, it’s01:28:01
complicated because if we don't read the01:28:04
Russian if you don't read German you have to01:28:05
agree it could be anything01:28:07
what Italian whatever they took01:28:08
English ok but then there is01:28:10
something that has become widespread and well01:28:13
this is the examination of articles by01:28:17
anonymous experts when you send01:28:19
a paper is sent a referral you do not01:28:21
you must not know who it is then we say01:28:23
but this is to guarantee objectivity01:28:26
of the re-eri as as it is anonymous01:28:30
he can very well say it's [ __ ]01:28:31
even though it's a friend or a neighbor01:28:33
and all that good but what is there01:28:35
serious if you want it's that uh that01:28:38
leaves no prospect of response by01:28:41
example me when I sent the article01:28:43
to the mechanics review and that it is01:28:45
came back with something that said this01:28:48
work reveals my knowledge01:28:49
deep enic gas what is01:28:52
I could do I didn't even know that01:28:54
it was this guy I went after you01:28:55
see but I couldn't go see01:28:58
cabin saying listen let's get down to business01:29:00
table I will explain to you you have01:29:01
he didn't understand anything, he didn't understand anything, it's01:29:03
everything eh and what happens with01:29:05
of love it's the same he didn't capture anything if01:29:08
I was facing a blackboard but it01:29:10
that I read and said what I ask you01:29:12
it's a one-hour face-to-face meeting without01:29:15
witness and without recording before a01:29:18
table then we explain we are not going to01:29:20
type on it but we send each other messages01:29:22
equations what and there I win it has nothing01:29:25
understood but it's crazy it's01:29:27
cry something like that and then there is01:29:30
no way to have that is to say that in01:29:32
fact it was anonymous but how01:29:34
made the selection because is it01:29:35
that it was anonymous but we will say01:29:36
independent or it was anonymous but which01:29:39
which could be selected for01:29:41
just do this then indeed01:29:44
how does a review work?01:29:46
scientific journal uh there is an editor01:29:49
but above all there is an editorial01:29:52
board there is an editorial board with01:29:54
a certain number of people we can't01:29:57
be a specialist in everything eh we can01:29:59
not be very good at quantum mechanics01:30:01
very good in astrophysics very good this01:30:02
very good that so at that moment when01:30:04
an article arrives the editor-in-chief says01:30:07
Well, what discipline does that fall under?01:30:09
ah well well listen it’s mechanics01:30:11
quantum well well I will send it to a01:30:12
such that's good but when it's due01:30:15
Jean-Pierre Petit it’s catastrophic01:30:17
because it doesn't fit into the01:30:19
criteria then at that time by01:30:21
example Icham fought with me with01:30:24
German and Russian magazines there are01:30:27
in 2023 we lost 6 months people don't01:30:31
don't find a rephery ok eh and the01:30:35
review said but listen we're sorry01:30:36
we haven't found a reference that accepts01:30:38
to examine his work then what is it01:30:40
what does the researcher do who needs01:30:42
to make a career he must publish you01:30:44
know the dasage published on periche01:30:46
so you have to publish so the guy says if01:30:49
I'm sending this, we won't find a reference01:30:51
I'm going to waste time otherwise01:30:53
says you fit the mold and you have01:30:56
a scientist called sabineel01:30:59
Felder who is very well known because she01:31:01
made I don't know 150 videos it's one01:31:04
chief blogger and she made01:31:06
recently a video where she talks about her01:31:10
career and she says that now she01:31:12
did more research a long time ago01:31:14
she only does blogs and01:31:16
then she does lessons by01:31:17
match that's how he wins01:31:18
his life but there is one thing is that01:31:21
when you have a position to be in charge of01:31:22
search at the CNS if we are not too01:31:25
looking at his career we can be01:31:27
free to do what we want while01:31:29
that there are lots of places where that01:31:30
does not even exist in Germany01:31:32
example so in other words if we want01:31:35
to be paid you must propose a project which01:31:38
over 3 4 years eh and at that time if it01:31:42
project is accepted then we will have a01:31:44
post of this a post of that but01:31:47
for a limited period and when it01:31:48
talks about her career she tells01:31:50
momentaman the only thing I had01:31:51
found it was in Sweden so me01:31:53
I was married I had a husband and a child01:31:55
Germany and I had to go01:31:57
do courses in Sweden then see01:31:59
CNRS we are civil servants you go01:32:02
count this freedom I can't01:32:04
to be kicked out a lot ago01:32:06
who take advantage of it by not giving a damn01:32:08
great because if you don't do anything01:32:10
we pose no problem but I would say01:32:12
even though there are people who01:32:14
would say above all, do not innovate above all01:32:17
don't work, just talk01:32:20
and your career will happen by itself01:32:21
you show the rungs while at01:32:23
contrary if you innovate you will01:32:25
disturb here and a researcher is01:32:27
necessarily disturbing you know me one01:32:29
day I was summoned by the director01:32:32
department of science01:32:33
the engineer because my book had a01:32:35
a bit01:32:36
shaken created trouble good me I am01:32:40
came to his house and he told me but it's01:32:44
no need to defend yourself, no one01:32:47
does not call into question your competence to01:32:49
scientist tell why you have me01:32:51
called but because I am attacked01:32:53
from C phones the director01:32:55
observatory which says it would be necessary01:32:56
lock him up, so I said but01:32:59
should I be locked up no no I01:33:00
don't think no no and then he had this01:33:02
sentence when I went out very nice01:33:04
eh in conclusion you are a01:33:07
non-standard finder you go01:33:08
counts and then this extraordinary word01:33:11
because a standard researcher is a01:33:13
guy who finds nothing because be01:33:16
standard that means we are going to turn01:33:17
in circles currently in the world of01:33:19
theoretical physics of cosmology and01:33:21
cetera we must innovate he will find01:33:24
extraordinary things look through01:33:25
example quantum mechanics there is01:33:27
something that people tried to01:33:29
do me I am convinced that that01:33:31
space time is discrete you see this01:33:33
What I mean is that when you01:33:34
take the space there you have one01:33:36
quantity which is called the length of01:33:38
hideout at 10 x 33 cm that means that we01:33:41
can't cut it cut in half and01:33:43
well when you take a chess game the01:33:45
chess game it has h columns and and01:33:48
OK, you're not going to ask the question.01:33:50
what is between such box and01:33:52
such box it doesn't make sense see01:33:55
chess we go from B4 to B5 that's all01:33:59
eh we don't go from B4 to B45 that's no problem01:34:02
meaning eh and then time too01:34:04
it's something discreet how01:34:06
of time lasts a sudden you arrive in01:34:08
a chess club saying there you go01:34:09
I am a physicist I pose shadow of01:34:11
questions so first what is he01:34:13
there are between square D7 and square des8 the01:34:16
people will say what is he talking about then01:34:18
so when you play how long01:34:20
lasts a while it doesn't make sense eh there is01:34:23
the before and after well you have01:34:25
two characteristic quantities01:34:28
hideout length and time01:34:29
hideout which means you don't01:34:31
cannot envisage phenomena which01:34:34
take place over times less than01:34:36
this hideout time which means that01:34:38
It is01:34:39
discreet take for example look at a01:34:41
movie when you watch a movie on01:34:44
show well you know it is01:34:45
discreet you know you are 2401:34:47
frame second and between the 24th and the 25th01:34:51
iséam well there is ass jump but there01:34:53
has nothing between the two HMs so you have01:34:56
an impression of continuity but it is01:34:57
because precisely there is01:34:58
reptinian persistence so you see01:35:01
then imagine that space-time is01:35:03
discrete it is a jump equivalent to this01:35:07
that Fr Einstein the guy who will find that01:35:09
will be the new Einstein but he will01:35:12
we need to consider saying that01:35:15
researchers but you will have to01:35:16
jump forward as you take a step01:35:19
forward it works no more we can01:35:22
plusir stand actually like you said01:35:24
yes exactly be non standard if01:35:26
you are standard we are screwed because01:35:28
that the standard doesn't work01:35:30
currently the classic model is01:35:32
lambda CDM is the standard model and01:35:35
the standard model no longer works then01:35:37
if the standard model no longer works01:35:39
we tried to patch it up in01:35:41
the 70s with dark matter01:35:44
after we added the dark matter01:35:46
dark energy after we added the01:35:48
let's flatter you realize it's01:35:50
really as if we were putting01:35:52
patches on a room in Aire it's01:35:53
scary what but are you01:35:55
think that this current situation makes01:35:58
lower the general level of researchers01:36:00
even for example in the West in France01:36:03
or in the United States01:36:05
or we can we can consider01:36:06
that there are still good charcheurs but01:36:07
which would perhaps be restrained once01:36:09
that they want to publish their work but01:36:10
do you think there can be01:36:11
have also here with this this this mode of01:36:13
thought could there even be01:36:14
makes a drop in the general level according to01:36:16
you well you know there is one thing01:36:18
it's that01:36:21
uh if a good researcher is someone01:36:25
who says, here I am, I have worked out something01:36:28
but maybe a guy would come along01:36:29
saying it's not bad what you have01:36:30
done but it's completely different01:36:32
I will show you everything you01:36:34
do it is a thing of the past imagine01:36:36
for example someone who says good model01:36:37
genus is not bad but in fact you01:36:39
forgetting this or that thing is not01:36:41
this is how we should see things01:36:42
wonderful that would mean there is01:36:44
something new that is01:36:46
what people do is hold on01:36:47
to what they did it's all a man01:36:50
like love he worked on01:36:52
[ __ ] that is string theory01:36:54
well there is nothing we can say since01:36:56
It doesn't work but it had prices01:36:59
like the Janus price €700,000 at once01:37:01
see at a scientific price it is covered01:37:03
CNRS medal prizes and all that01:37:05
for work on the waves01:37:07
gravitational gold in the model01:37:09
Janus the gravitational SEZs do not01:37:11
don't work the same way it's01:37:13
not done yet but when it's done01:37:15
and well the works of Monsieur d'amour01:37:17
they will go to the Gille to paper you01:37:19
realize and then currently01:37:21
imagine a cosmologist01:37:22
astrophysicist would come to see me01:37:24
saying listen to me I am open to01:37:25
new ideas uh what you propose01:37:28
what's left of my work ah01:37:30
well and there it's nothing well yes if he has01:37:32
worked on dark matter on01:37:34
dark energy on it's scary you01:37:36
you realize but look at it01:37:38
theoretical physics we have a a01:37:41
academician whose name I believe is01:37:43
Pierre Fillet returned to the Academy01:37:45
of Sciences for his noted work01:37:47
on the futino then the futino is a01:37:50
hypothetical particle that we never have01:37:53
find01:37:55
OK so that's his claim to fame.01:37:58
for having invented something that cannot be found01:37:59
no it's annoying what you're doing01:38:01
counts and but then01:38:03
then the thing is that like I01:38:07
told you I had a very good01:38:09
ech with the mathematicians why with the01:38:11
math people because they are people who have01:38:13
rules eh when you're a good one01:38:15
chess player you can be Jewish01:38:18
black anything homosexual if you01:38:20
play chess well that’s all eh01:38:22
so you put a label and you play01:38:25
and if you ask to enter a01:38:27
club to make a deal with people that01:38:30
will work whereas in physics it is not01:38:32
at all that they lost completely01:38:34
all sense of reality I quote a01:38:37
example of unimaginable work is01:38:40
an article that appeared 2 years ago01:38:42
in monly notice where the authors01:38:45
suggest that dark matter01:38:48
could be made of darkino01:38:50
you hear the darkino Dark that means01:38:53
say its in english so now01:38:56
when you want to create something01:38:58
you create a word for example there is the01:39:00
inflation theory well what is it01:39:02
Well, it’s due to inflation and01:39:04
let's inflate, what is that, well, that's what01:39:05
makes inflation and currently if you01:39:08
you find out there is as much theory01:39:10
of the inflaton which AB researcher that no01:39:12
meaning that's why I said01:39:14
in01:39:15
video know it's very curious this01:39:17
phenomenon because we find it01:39:18
today on a societal level by01:39:20
example on other subjects but01:39:21
like for example the subject W with the01:39:24
theories of gen that is this reasoning01:39:25
circular where we invent a new word01:39:27
and where in fact it only works in01:39:29
circular reasoning which does not01:39:30
of meaning and which applied that has01:39:32
catastrophic consequences for all01:39:33
a company there we have the example with the01:39:35
famous gen theory for example it is01:39:37
it's curious to see a phenomenon01:39:38
apply like that in an environment01:39:40
clearly scientific where normally01:39:41
we are supposed to practice it every day01:39:44
fara turns scientists well and01:39:47
only towards them so it's not very01:39:49
easy because these people have a01:39:51
special language how to say al01:39:54
see in the Middle Ages when we wanted01:39:55
publish a work you had to speak the01:39:57
Latin is pretty much the same i.e.01:39:59
that for01:40:00
me convert my ideas my works of01:40:03
physical and purely engaging01:40:06
mathematically it is a bit equivalent to01:40:08
write it in Latin they have a way of01:40:10
say things but at least it's01:40:12
solid at least we have people you know01:40:15
mathematicians have one thing uh01:40:18
they can say that a job is01:40:20
interesting or not interesting that's it01:40:21
subjective but they are completely in01:40:24
able to say if it is true or if it is01:40:26
false if it works or if it doesn't work01:40:28
see because they have there are01:40:30
ways to do it is like a01:40:31
computer program you have a01:40:33
computer language you believe you01:40:34
have done computer science you write01:40:36
a program this program it works or01:40:38
it doesn't work there is vocabulary there is01:40:41
a syntax there is a language if you01:40:43
respect everything it turns out if you01:40:45
don't respect it's syntax error01:40:47
that's it for math that's it01:40:48
the same if you put a math thing01:40:50
who is kidding we will answer you syntax01:40:52
terror in physics is not that at all01:40:54
in physics we are in the01:40:56
subjective what people will tell you I have01:40:59
the impression that it is false then what01:41:01
what happens is that the paper has put01:41:02
of love on his HES page but everything01:41:05
everyone refers to it everyone refers to it01:41:07
refer it is illegible it's crazy this01:41:09
article no one reads it then in01:41:12
october01:41:13
2023 October 2, 2022 Françoise combe01:41:17
academician vice-president of01:41:19
the Academy of Sciences comes to make a01:41:21
conference in Marseille well there is a01:41:23
guy in the room who tells him but01:41:25
why do you never talk about the model01:41:26
genus she answers it's not worth it01:41:28
of love showed that it doesn't work it's01:41:30
everything and Luminet wrote in his book01:41:34
a scientist in whom I have everything01:41:36
confidence showed that it didn't work01:41:37
he doesn't even dare to say the love you have01:41:40
all these people all these people when01:41:42
we answer them no it doesn't work it's01:41:44
extraordinary and there is no way to01:41:46
speak in seminars but even at01:41:49
limit you even know how to speak in a01:41:51
seminar would that work then01:41:54
I had allies at the Academy of01:41:56
Sciences the main thing was schnit01:41:59
who helped me while he was there he01:42:01
without him I don't know what I would be01:42:03
became let's say that actually when01:42:05
I was really in01:42:07
perdition in my laboratory I have it01:42:09
met one day on the terrace of a01:42:11
coffee I showed him what I was doing01:42:13
he said to himself hey he's not stupid then01:42:15
he got me out of there but if you knew01:42:19
I was in a laboratory run by01:42:21
a guy called valinc prof i01:42:23
it was an eigrier it was the time of01:42:26
mandarins let's say that this guy they01:42:28
had the power of life or death over01:42:30
researchers it's scary and01:42:33
uh al I will simply mention one01:42:36
little episode of this thing like that01:42:38
so see when I entered01:42:40
this in this lab uh the goal01:42:43
actually was trying to do01:42:44
one one MHD generator with two01:42:47
temperature so I built a01:42:49
quite complicated machine I made01:42:51
quite complicated calculations and it worked01:42:53
on the first try that is to say that these01:42:56
generators should not produce01:42:57
current that at 10,000 degrees we had lowered01:43:00
the temperature at 6000 P it produced01:43:02
currents and I remember it is01:43:03
dead now I had a colleague who01:43:04
was called lesakis who told me it's not01:43:07
possible I say if if then how01:43:10
how can you check a01:43:11
similar thing well you see we're going to put 201:43:13
% of gas carbon gas he will have nothing left01:43:15
why because carbon dioxide goes01:43:17
cool the electrons finally me01:43:18
I had a mastery of the thing I knew01:43:19
what I did it worked let's say01:43:22
that everything was done during the morning01:43:24
between 9 a.m. and noon we had done01:43:27
4 C experiments it was over finished good01:43:30
and that was a thunderclap01:43:33
international I mean it was01:43:36
the first time someone arrived01:43:38
to master the stability of velikov eh01:43:41
that's why the Russians are01:43:43
came to hold a conference in Marseille01:43:45
but what did my boss do01:43:47
he said to himself oh but that’s my01:43:48
invention of mine because everything that01:43:50
was in the laboratory it is appropriate01:43:51
there's no problem eh ok then01:43:54
uh I remember one year he hired01:43:58
to Switzerland who was to be my director01:44:02
because I was a little researcher01:44:04
I was a research so I see01:44:07
one day there came this guy who had a01:44:08
beautiful white BMW car that was01:44:10
returned to the CNRS as director of01:44:12
really looking for he had a salary01:44:14
double me and he was coming for me01:44:16
lead and at that moment when I saw01:44:19
When this guy arrived, I spoke a little01:44:22
little work he understood nothing he01:44:25
understood nothing so he left and01:44:27
valass tells me on the phone so you01:44:30
have made contact with Mr.01:44:31
pike says yes but why do you01:44:34
invite people who don't understand anything01:44:36
I can't do anything with him, he doesn't understand01:44:37
what I'm doing it's true that it was01:44:38
this story is quite complicated01:44:40
space at this dimension it was not01:44:42
easy then Valenis said this contract01:44:45
brings us a lot of money, it's01:44:47
true that it was definitely the third01:44:48
of the laboratory budget therefore so small01:44:52
goes on strike we're screwed so he has01:44:54
removed pike but then I worked01:44:58
with a wonderful boy who was a01:45:00
technician who was called berelei in01:45:02
[ __ ]01:45:03
and who was underpaid as it's not01:45:06
possible I think it01:45:08
had 700 € per month something like that01:45:10
it's scary there and he had a01:45:13
fantastic talent this boy he is finished01:45:16
by hell what and when he left01:45:19
in military service valass told me01:45:22
your arm it's not moving forward I'm going to put01:45:25
more competent people and he put01:45:28
in the TR lab what types have these are01:45:31
appropriated my laboratory and he told me01:45:33
you are a theorist are going to do your01:45:35
calculations on the first floor and I am01:45:38
left without defending myself and then there it is01:45:41
weird all the same because I'm quite01:45:42
comattive why am I not01:45:44
not defended well because I had01:45:46
calculated that we would never go down01:45:47
below 4000 degrees and actually for them01:45:50
that's the idea it was it made it work01:45:52
generator at 10000°gr then at01:45:54
6000 then to 4000 if it is 1500 then01:45:58
there is an industrial El Dorado it is01:46:00
extraordinary generators which01:46:02
had 60% exra yield so it01:46:04
were dreaming about all this and01:46:06
I knew it didn't work and then01:46:09
that's where I started making01:46:10
matths to cut me that's all good01:46:12
so uh they put the guys in my01:46:15
lab and I recounted that in the video01:46:17
will people see small ones?01:46:20
images to explain this to them let's say that01:46:22
they made my machine work01:46:24
and they made a mistake and doing01:46:26
a mistake they destroyed an organ01:46:28
very delicate inside it worked01:46:31
he didn't realize it then01:46:33
this organ was a square tube like01:46:35
that which took part of the gas and the01:46:38
overpressure had transformed him into an angel01:46:40
clarinet you see what it is01:46:41
clarinet angel something we like01:46:43
that and then I told my01:46:45
technician on the phone they had to do01:46:47
an fA or there it is by he was doing01:46:50
music but he did more01:46:51
no electricity at all01:46:53
so it lasted for months, I missed them01:46:55
down there saying [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] and01:46:58
so it lasts like that for 3 or 601:47:01
month and after 6 months the01:47:04
director decides to have a meeting on01:47:06
Saturday morning with these guys and me01:47:10
eve I come into the lab at night01:47:13
with a key I open the room and I01:47:16
demonstrate the ugly part I dismantle01:47:18
the clarinet and the Reunion it was01:47:21
the next day, a Saturday morning at 9 a.m. me01:47:23
I arrive at 8am I hide in the cabin01:47:25
from the projectionist and through the little hole01:47:28
then I see velassie who says you01:47:30
told me you'd make it work01:47:32
small machine but I see one thing01:47:35
it's that since you occupied it01:47:36
no longer works at all and produces nothing01:47:38
every little one made a long N01:47:40
like that and I go down with that01:47:43
a jute bag and I take the angel out01:47:45
clarinet I put it on the table01:47:47
the world understands and I wish them01:47:49
have a good weekend so they really realize01:47:51
that they had made a mistake01:47:53
on Monday the director calls me01:47:55
saying hello I invite you to lunch ah01:47:58
OK, so he invites me to lunch, we meet01:48:00
finds everything with an icy silence01:48:03
and then he said to me I would like to know01:48:06
how do you envision the campaign?01:48:08
experimental back to school B I say to myself01:48:11
I am a theorist Mr. Director01:48:13
it's no longer my area so he answers me01:48:17
either you accept or you will not have01:48:18
never your thesis eh okay I him01:48:22
answer Paris naked and there he got up he01:48:25
spilled his drink he went to pay01:48:26
there it was, it was a lot of tension01:48:29
well then ok then there was this01:48:31
international conference in Marseille and01:48:34
I decided not to come so I01:48:36
sent a medical CCAT that I had a d01:48:39
of wisdom here then vikov arrived01:48:42
and they made fun of him01:48:44
saying but where is Monsieur petier he01:48:46
does secret work no no no no01:48:49
he has he has a wisdom g problem ah01:48:51
said vikov there wisdom or wisdom he01:48:54
everyone knows what01:48:56
so after that he flew into a rage01:48:58
terrible and he sent a report to the01:49:00
CNRS saying that I had to be [ __ ]01:49:02
the door because I was working more01:49:04
I didn't do anything anymore ok no joke01:49:06
so people are aware of this01:49:08
something he says or there it must be Barner for you01:49:10
and in fact I remember one01:49:13
dialogue with the secretary of01:49:16
director oh mister little you go01:49:18
make Mr. Director die01:49:21
yesterday he called the cen01:49:23
people told him yes we sent the01:49:25
Queel report asked me I received one01:49:27
thing saying if you don't justify01:49:29
of activity you are kicked out01:49:30
within within 15 days what01:49:33
And01:49:35
yes then well she says well he sent01:49:37
this thesis what thesis it is not big01:49:41
so well it's a thesis there are plenty01:49:43
of calculations ah or but there are only01:49:44
calculations and he had this sentence01:49:46
extraordinary I have a comic book01:49:49
also which is not printed but which01:49:50
people will be able to download one day01:49:52
he told me your work has no01:49:54
interest outside of interest01:49:55
scientific you hear magical01:49:58
how can we have a type01:49:59
who runs a C laboratory with a01:50:01
similar sentence01:50:03
then the CS manager says yes but01:50:06
there is a letter from lirovic which says that01:50:08
it's not bad so it got me out01:50:11
I was taken out of this laboratory01:50:13
like that with pinettes for me01:50:14
put elsewhere01:50:15
quiz you realize la la la01:50:18
tyranny al it was tyranny but01:50:20
now it's something else, these are the01:50:22
Paron of science who defend their01:50:25
precarious, what are the academicians?01:50:27
so in C since when according to you here it is01:50:32
academicians have this organization01:50:34
and this influence which is in01:50:35
the occurrence seems to be01:50:37
negative, I think that it exists01:50:41
long time but you know you have to read01:50:43
uh uh reviews on the Academy of01:50:47
Sciences uh01:50:50
time in the 18th century there are things01:50:54
extraordinary there are there are01:50:55
settling scores as an academician01:50:57
because there was nothing01:50:59
secret we didn't do things of01:51:01
anonymously for example at one time01:51:04
there is there is a law of electricity which01:51:08
is called the Biot law and savar therefore Biot01:51:10
was an academician and then there was a01:51:13
academician whose name I forget who01:51:15
left a name in history too01:51:17
as a politician and at one time organic01:51:21
present at work01:51:23
and the other says to him you're swollen it's01:51:26
something I explained to you ago01:51:27
at 15 days and Biot does not rebel and01:51:32
at this moment the other sends01:51:34
people on a column of a church because01:51:37
that he had explained to her by writing01:51:39
the equations by scratching them on the01:51:41
column what there were01:51:43
settling scores as an academician01:51:45
really a glove, no, but there01:51:48
had an academic life then01:51:50
that now the Academy of Sciences01:51:52
but it is a country it is a landscape which01:51:54
is dead you know the Academy of01:51:56
Sciences changed its statutes ago01:51:59
ten years and the word which comes back to01:52:02
that moment commonly is the word01:52:04
communication you know now we have01:52:06
the more politicians we have people01:52:08
who communicates when all of a sudden01:52:10
people made decisions and its fair01:52:13
well when we criticize them they say01:52:15
that they didn't communicate enough and he01:52:16
start communicating again we communicate01:52:18
we are in a world of01:52:20
communication the same there is more01:52:24
communication these are front mills01:52:26
but what exactly has changed?01:52:27
in the statutes there is there is a01:52:29
decade01:52:31
well the interest was focused on the01:52:34
communication for example there is a01:52:36
thing is that in these academies there01:52:38
does not have a permanent secretary but01:52:41
perpetual secretaries and these01:52:43
perpetual secretaries are supposed to be01:52:45
a little bit about science judges eh and01:52:48
having a conflict with love I01:52:51
addressed to Etien who is a mathematician and01:52:55
surveyor perpetual secretary therefore who01:52:57
is perfectly capable of understanding01:52:59
what I did and to such an extent that it01:53:01
even won a scientific prize01:53:04
to love being a board member01:53:07
scientist so I write to him he tells me01:53:09
doesn't answer then last year I did01:53:11
got on the phone I told him I had you01:53:14
wrote but you didn't answer me oh01:53:15
yes I get so many good things01:53:17
okay then I'll talk to him about it01:53:19
situation I read say can I01:53:21
come to see you01:53:23
to tell you about the mathematical basics01:53:25
of the genus model his answer he told me I01:53:28
I have absolutely no time, I said.01:53:31
but what are you doing and well01:53:33
accounting and management01:53:35
financial, but he dared me01:53:38
answer that then above all he did that01:53:40
and he also does communication01:53:42
don't stop giving lectures01:53:44
woman like Françoise combe when she01:53:47
will die we will ask ourselves but what is01:53:48
that she had found what did she01:53:50
left on the other hand videos there are some01:53:52
everywhere she is everywhere HM here are these01:53:56
people there are talking, talking, it’s chat01:53:58
what is it all then before it was01:54:01
different but above all how to say01:54:05
uh there was a time when at the Academy01:54:08
of sciences there were 2 thirds of01:54:11
people who were going to leave their name in01:54:12
in the history of science you01:54:14
understand there was but it was the same01:54:17
in all countries look for example01:54:18
in England when there was a guy01:54:19
like Maxwell you heard about01:54:20
of Maxwell's equations it is01:54:22
incredible Maxwell it's a bit01:54:23
instein for electromagnetismo Bou01:54:27
people all of a sudden they bring01:54:28
things like that it's something01:54:30
fantastic Navier equations01:54:32
stock for fluid mechanics good01:54:34
now you want to say01:54:36
but give me a name what's going on01:54:39
stay nobody we are not going to talk about01:54:41
model of love there is no model01:54:43
of love there is01:54:45
nothing they just sing01:54:47
general relativity they do it for the 10th time01:54:51
at a conference to explain how01:54:52
general relativity was born but a01:54:54
times is enough 10 times is too much01:54:57
so it's the same in all countries01:54:59
it's the same in all countries and because01:55:01
that physics is in crisis you01:55:04
hear then but can we01:55:06
to say that she is uh in crisis everywhere01:55:08
in the world where can we see01:55:10
in the same way as when we analyze01:55:12
the one on a plane really here it is01:55:13
economic geopolitics we see that there01:55:15
has two blocks that start to split01:55:17
with a block, that's how they say it01:55:18
Western bloc and a bloc that we can01:55:20
call more and more here are the bricks01:55:21
plus can we actually see a01:55:24
increase in the quality of research and01:55:26
science in countries including01:55:27
like China or maybe Russia or01:55:29
other countries or do you think01:55:31
there is really uh here is one01:55:32
general slowdown you know01:55:34
know it depends on what we have01:55:36
means by scientific activity uh there01:55:38
I'm talking about theoretical science eh I01:55:40
don't talk about experimental science01:55:42
uh it is obvious that in terms of01:55:44
technology it never stopped01:55:47
eh all we could do was there01:55:49
has a constant progression for example01:55:51
with respect to the instruments01:55:53
observation of astronomy it was01:55:55
completely01:55:56
phenomenalin now we use01:55:59
several telescopes we combine their01:56:00
images we arrive at when you see01:56:03
we arrive at seeing the image of a01:56:06
fly scratching on the moon01:56:07
see it's good now look01:56:09
for example this company01:56:12
completely crazy about measuring waves01:56:15
gravitational eh that gave the01:56:18
installations called LIGO and01:56:19
Virgo good and well here are some01:56:22
installations that react to01:56:25
variations in length which are a01:56:27
fraction of an atom it's it's01:56:30
phenomenal, I was talking about it with my friend01:56:32
Mony which is precisely very focused on these01:56:34
storiesl progress on01:56:36
scientific techniques are01:56:39
amazing everything we did with it01:56:41
lasers everything we did with lasers01:56:42
stuff like that is great01:56:43
against regarding the fundamental that01:56:46
It’s a disaster, for example01:56:48
in the 70s we created uh we01:56:51
tried to enrich the model with01:56:54
particles and we called them super01:56:56
particles then there was the01:56:58
neutralino who was the little brother of01:57:00
neutron there was the fotino which is the01:57:02
little brother of the photon and there was the01:57:04
selectron who was the little brother and01:57:06
we have not observed these particles01:57:08
while the accelerators had01:57:10
totally the power needed01:57:13
the only thing we could in principle01:57:14
highlight this is what we01:57:16
calls the hiig boson and currently01:57:18
I don't know if you've heard of it01:57:20
of that but there is01:57:22
a project to extend the accelerator01:57:25
circle instead of making dozens of01:57:27
kilometers it will be hundreds of01:57:29
kilometers it will cost a fortune and01:57:31
there uh01:57:33
en Sabine ausen Felder was right to01:57:37
say but aren't we trying to01:57:39
waste people's money01:57:40
imagine that because they are going01:57:43
increase throttle power on01:57:44
will find something no you01:57:46
find nothing because it's not you01:57:48
don't look in the right place it's in01:57:49
your head that you have to find things01:57:51
but but according to you why why01:57:53
there is this difference at this point01:57:56
on these two areas normally is it01:57:58
that it should not necessarily be01:57:59
must follow together or01:58:01
less create a01:58:04
limits the famous fundamentals like01:58:06
you say there is a slowdown see01:58:09
in fact a blockage shouldn't be there for us01:58:10
prevent from continuing to develop01:58:13
develop ourselves to achieve certain01:58:14
works and if not the other question too01:58:15
According to you, what makes01:58:17
it can have this phenomenon on a01:58:18
world plan I find it really very01:58:21
astonishing global that it is global01:58:23
then we can say there is one thing if01:58:25
it doesn't work like that it's what there is01:58:26
a train we didn't take we missed one01:58:28
train you see he and this train is01:58:30
1902 is the topology and it is the01:58:35
work that you can explain as01:58:37
me who would not be at all01:58:39
trained on the subject well yes01:58:43
so how do you say it's something01:58:45
big ones tell me if it's 190201:58:47
why but because there is01:58:51
the era of G like Werner boy like Ve01:58:56
like how she01:58:58
the bottle of CL is called Klein01:59:01
the bottle of01:59:02
CL no no wait I'll tell you01:59:05
show one I have one here you go01:59:06
see it's funny to be able to tell you01:59:10
amen a bottle of CL is a one01:59:13
amateur who made this01:59:14
United States who sent here, go ahead01:59:18
and and in the meantime so I'm going to do01:59:20
a few reminders really don't hesitate01:59:22
obviously to put your thumbs up to comment01:59:24
and also to look at the links which may have01:59:25
be posted which serves as a description01:59:26
for the comic strip by Jeanpierre petit Modelle01:59:29
gus black consciousness so you see this01:59:32
that it’s just a bottle ah yes that yes01:59:33
okay I see ok yes that's it yes there01:59:35
decl bottle so it's funny because01:59:37
that we go in there and this01:59:40
bottle has neither front nor back01:59:42
fact there is there is a liquid01:59:44
inside but it is there without being there therefore01:59:47
this was invented by Kin bon and this01:59:50
this concept is extremely important01:59:52
then indeed I can say but01:59:53
what does it give it gives01:59:55
slightly insolid objects like that01:59:56
do you know have you heard of the ribbon?01:59:58
from mbus also he R or or yes02:00:02
well that's it's not just some02:00:05
mathematical cunning they are02:00:07
fundamental tools that we do not use02:00:09
not in physics we missed out02:00:12
completely and the Janus model its basis02:00:16
is topological then obviously if there02:00:20
has people who say but what is that?02:00:21
top02:00:22
I obviously have a comic book.02:00:24
on this which is called topologic con02:00:28
it's true that this comic book there02:00:30
there is no equation there is no poop02:00:32
there are no things there are02:00:34
just drawings but what I put02:00:38
in exerg it is not recommended to read02:00:40
this comic the evening before02:00:43
falling asleep after a meal that is too rich or02:00:46
when we are sure of nothing when it is not02:00:47
frag burn things02:00:49
see okay here it is and but but I02:00:53
think it's one of the best and02:00:55
this comic but it's the only one02:00:58
global document that explains the02:01:00
topology there are no others there02:01:04
and how to say there are concepts02:01:07
in there ouch ouch02:01:10
ouch I'm trying to mention that a little in the02:01:12
band it's not easy see for example02:01:15
uh so I repeat he for those who02:01:18
maybe haven't heard the tape02:01:19
desess you're talking about he's the02:01:21
stupid topology the stupid topology which02:01:23
although we can still find02:01:25
what directly on your website02:01:27
on the Sans Frontière website02:01:30
is translated into 35 languages but you02:01:32
know there's something funny I'm going02:01:33
telling you an anecdote is enough02:01:35
funny one day I'm going uh to Russia02:01:38
with a journalist from the magazine02:01:41
Now I don't know how to do it anymore02:01:42
what was it called and02:01:44
uh the plane is having problems and we are02:01:48
obliged to settle in Germany so we02:01:49
technical problem arises in Germany02:01:51
and the airline accommodates us at02:01:53
the hotel and at that moment we arrive in02:01:56
a nice qure or C star hotel, well there you go02:01:59
and when we arrive there is uh guy02:02:02
cap in front and he sees me coming02:02:06
because we went there with the02:02:07
surface of Boy that I had built and02:02:10
the guy says hello to me mister little02:02:13
so my journalist friend but02:02:16
how does he actually know this guy?02:02:18
it was a student who did who02:02:20
earned money as a receptionist02:02:22
in at the hotel see but I02:02:26
reminds me of this surface that I had02:02:28
built I went to the department02:02:29
of mathematics from Berkley and02:02:32
Berkley Mathematics Department02:02:33
it looks like a huge cube then there is a02:02:35
courtyard in the center and in the center I posed02:02:38
my my surface as we put this for02:02:42
catch the fish what the02:02:45
mathematicians arrived in oh he02:02:47
are good there but this thingl02:02:52
it's the universe is designed like that see02:02:55
if we wanted to summarize the geometry of02:02:59
of the ganus model it is the covering of a02:03:03
kind of hyper surface from Boy to C02:03:07
dimensions then there is also a thing02:03:10
but how do I all at once02:03:12
suddenly I was contaminated by this kind of02:03:14
thing well one year a guy told me02:03:18
there is a mathematician who comes02:03:20
give a lecture to ex and he would have02:03:22
need some drawings made for him02:03:24
say ok I draw quite a bit I'm going to do02:03:26
that's good and this guy is blind02:03:29
his name is Bernard Morin, he has been there since he was02:03:31
5 years old good and he asks me to02:03:34
draw something so I still02:03:37
see clearly in space I take the02:03:39
mark i02:03:41
draw and then after the 45th drawing I02:03:44
starting to see the wires touching each other02:03:46
downright and I end up putting it down02:03:49
mark by saying there I can't do it anymore02:03:52
and he laughed so the next day I02:03:55
I'm going to see him, but who are you?02:03:56
you who put me in perdition because02:03:58
that even when I was in02:03:59
special mathematics when the teacher02:04:02
gave the geometry problem02:04:04
I managed to build the surface in02:04:06
my head I could clearly see the02:04:08
things but then really he he02:04:09
saw clearly better than me and he02:04:11
said but it's the the the the model of02:04:15
reversal of the sphere you02:04:16
realize what it is to return a02:04:17
sphere that means what is it you02:04:19
take a sphere it is by by02:04:22
example blue red outside and and02:04:25
green inside good and then this02:04:28
sphere you give him the possibility of02:04:30
cross yourself like that but without making02:04:31
well you can return it02:04:34
scary it's completely an so this02:04:36
who's funny I think it's him02:04:38
must mention the aspect of02:04:41
bibliotics there is a mathematician02:04:44
American who had the medelf02:04:46
so in this area and he he has02:04:50
mathematically demonstrated that it was02:04:51
feasible and his teacher his boss02:04:54
told him but it's just that you're an idiot02:04:56
you realize if your theorem02:04:58
stick to it that means we can02:04:59
return a sphere do you02:05:01
know how to do it no I don't know but02:05:03
I know it's doable so here you go02:05:04
that’s where it’s extraordinary it’s02:05:06
that the mathematician arrives at02:05:08
plan something without without without02:05:10
having it in hand is extraordinary eh02:05:12
that's it and at that moment people put02:05:14
10 years of understanding how it worked02:05:16
and Morin was one of those guys and I02:05:20
say uh I didn't do it but what02:05:22
what I could have done is take02:05:23
aspirin preventively by going02:05:25
see because what gave gift02:05:28
such a headache and it's true02:05:29
that I made loads of videos02:05:30
on that and I told02:05:33
reader rest from time to time02:05:36
because it gets hot and when you02:05:39
will have assimilated these things you will02:05:42
connection corrections02:05:44
neurons that will change you will02:05:46
don't think the same way, I'm coming02:05:48
to to think in three dimensions to 402:05:52
dimensions to 5 dimensions to 6 dimensions02:05:54
I can do it in my head I02:05:55
learned that with a hand that is blind02:05:57
blind saw better than sighted people02:06:01
that amused him anyway, so for02:06:02
it was funny for him to explain everything02:06:05
these things and seeing people suffer02:06:07
like unfortunate people then but I will have02:06:10
I have two questions to ask you02:06:11
because you were talking about a train02:06:14
that we missed so when you talk about02:06:16
the topology in 1902 is but already02:06:18
in fact what could he have done02:06:19
that we that we are missing exactly uh what02:06:22
this train especially when we see with02:06:25
all the subjects there that you address uh02:06:27
which can sound B afterwards obviously02:06:28
as I have no skills in the02:06:30
domain I listen but it seems in02:06:32
in any case it seems very logical what02:06:33
you say or at least you seem02:06:35
you have a lot of elements to02:06:37
bring and the other is uh everything02:06:39
simply there you also speak02:06:42
personally from your meetings with02:06:44
certain people ultimately who02:06:45
transmitted certain knowledge but02:06:47
are there more people like you02:06:49
including in France, can we02:06:50
say that uh something that could02:06:52
bring some optimism given02:06:54
that we were talking about earlier02:06:55
academicians are there other02:06:57
Jean-Pierre Petit is there uh02:06:59
many young researchers who02:07:01
would be more uh that is to say in fact02:07:04
some of the scientists you know no02:07:06
standard finally who have a thought no02:07:07
standard does he have any02:07:10
I'm going to tell you one, it's02:07:12
Icham zjel he understood perfectly and02:07:15
see understand topology things02:07:18
it requires a way of thinking02:07:20
completely different02:07:22
there is for example the first time that02:07:25
I gave a conference it must be at02:07:27
the end of the 70s at the Institute of02:07:31
bururivette on precisely this surface02:07:34
fantastic boy so weird it's02:07:38
like a canary cage and birds02:07:40
are both inside and outside02:07:42
example it's like for example me I02:07:44
have fun drinking whiskey with a02:07:46
bottle of air conditioning quite paradoxical what B02:07:49
and uh I had if you if you02:07:53
download the Topologicon you02:07:56
find a cutting to build02:07:59
the object then for example imagine that02:08:01
I'll explain to you it's a sphere02:08:03
and I only have plans of my own02:08:05
layout well I'm going to make a cube02:08:07
see I can very well make one02:08:08
cutting you go up you have the one02:08:10
box well you see the sphere it is02:08:12
like that except that it's round good benah02:08:14
there you construct a surface of Boy with02:08:16
angles like that and well I thought02:08:20
found with one fit full they02:08:22
were 70 80 all in the 5002:08:25
sixty of mathematicians02:08:26
experienced and they were there with02:08:29
scissor cutting things out and02:08:32
there was an English mathematician02:08:33
back of the room saying but it's02:08:35
extraordinary you made them02:08:37
regressed I was like a professor of02:08:39
19th century with college students what the02:08:42
guy who does the dictation while saying the02:08:43
sheep spent and me i i02:08:47
I walked there was a wooden floor02:08:49
which creaked I said well well they02:08:51
were all there like kids what and02:08:53
then there is the great specialist of02:08:55
topology which understands nothing it is there it02:08:57
gets angry but I don't understand and he02:08:59
his secretary he says no calm down I02:09:01
I'm going to show I have to put that02:09:03
on this so in other words there are02:09:05
people who know how to write these things02:09:07
don't know how to visualize and then in there02:09:11
there was a completely astonishing guy02:09:13
who was Werner boy he died in 190202:09:15
in 1914 he was killed and so boy02:09:18
had not science died02:09:20
changed completely then that's enough02:09:23
funny because there is an article from02:09:25
Boy from 1902 it has never been translated into02:09:29
no language that02:09:30
German at the moment I don't know if02:09:32
someone is trying to02:09:33
translate because it's not easy to02:09:35
translate math but this article02:09:38
it is fundamental it has never been02:09:40
translated then there are illustrations02:09:43
and these illustrations are the same as02:09:44
in an article that I wrote myself02:09:47
50 years later yes so therefore the02:09:50
diagnosis we missed the topology and02:09:53
missed the topology the topology it02:09:55
will have implications for cosmology02:09:58
eh and then also on physics02:10:00
particles and in my opinion if we02:10:02
crap at this point on the physics of02:10:04
particles is that something is missing02:10:06
thing that's all but you know it's02:10:10
exactly the crisis that was looming at02:10:13
the dawn of the century02:10:15
190002:10:16
remember what it was called02:10:18
great English scientist who I forget02:10:20
the name that said now we have02:10:22
equations all that remains is to put02:10:25
numbers the comma see he he av02:10:28
that they had a hold on you02:10:30
realize it is true that the02:10:31
fluid mechanics had been02:10:33
systematized the mechanics02:10:37
ballistics celestial mechanics02:10:39
also we have a hold above all and then02:10:42
suddenly the mechanics arrived02:10:43
quantum is extraordinary then the02:10:46
quantum mechanics here are the people for02:10:49
say but what is it and well02:10:50
it's the failure of common sense you02:10:53
hear what I'm telling you bankruptcy of the02:10:54
common sense because mechanics02:10:58
quantum predicts things that are02:10:59
absurd, we are in surrealism02:11:02
complete when you shoot an electron it02:11:05
there are two slots and it goes to the02:11:07
times by the de fantes so you know02:11:11
how to say we are in absurdity02:11:13
more total look at the PL paradox therefore02:11:17
when we are faced with the absurd we say to ourselves02:11:19
but there if my common sense does not arrive02:11:22
not for me to conclude what is happening02:11:25
if for example I say but what will02:11:26
happen I'm going to say stupid things bah02:11:29
the conclusion is to calculate there is02:11:31
nothing to see H in other words calculate this02:11:34
that you predict by calculation is more02:11:36
consistent with the observation that what02:11:39
you imagine in your head it's02:11:41
extraordinary then we are faced with02:11:43
the need for upheaval02:11:46
major scientist and me what02:11:48
I bring into cosmology it's only one02:11:50
low part look for example uh02:11:53
quantum mechanics is not my thing02:11:55
department eh I know a little bit about it02:11:57
but I don't like talking about the things I02:11:59
not completely mastered it's not the02:12:01
hardly good on the other hand which is a very good02:12:03
reflex to have I think a lot of02:12:05
people will many people should02:12:06
try to have this reflex there well yes ah02:12:09
yes no but I have many people who02:12:11
talk about anything good and and02:12:14
how to say when you open a book02:12:17
of TH quantum fields and well we02:12:20
can go find a ch called02:12:21
space and time inversion oh it's02:12:24
interesting because02:12:25
you see clearly that Janus02:12:28
it is time that reversesspace that02:12:29
reverses and all that doesn't work02:12:31
to reverse things and there inversion02:12:34
of space and time B ago02:12:35
actually operators who02:12:36
allow you to reverse time02:12:38
operators that allow you to invert02:12:39
space and so on we call them P and T02:12:42
then we see one thing is that the02:12:44
operators they can be written from02:12:45
two different ways they can be02:12:48
linear and unitary or antilinear02:12:51
anti-unitarian and that's where we read ben02:12:53
it absolutely has to be like that02:12:55
otherwise there would be energy states02:12:57
negative02:12:58
ah interesting then for example02:13:00
the space operator must be02:13:02
unitary linear good but the operator02:13:05
of time it must be antilinear02:13:07
and anti-unitarian so at that moment I02:13:09
I said to myself but why is this02:13:11
that we don't try the other version it's02:13:13
true there are people who say but02:13:15
how do you get ideas02:13:17
like that well listen it's very simple02:13:18
you pick up a science book and02:13:20
you verasonable that means02:13:22
reasonable eh that is to say02:13:24
reasonably we can think that or02:13:27
looking for assumption means02:13:28
suppose then in other words it is02:13:32
reasonable what happens if I02:13:33
I'm not reasonable, what's going on?02:13:35
pass if I do the opposite and well02:13:37
research ideas you have 1002:13:39
in each book simply be02:13:41
reasonable try to think02:13:43
otherwise and that I believe that02:13:45
word ch very good it's thinking outside02:13:48
from the box but you see in in02:13:51
the 50s there is a journalist02:13:53
scientist who released a book that02:13:55
It's called sleepwalker Arthur Kusler02:13:58
tells you nothing no and the theme of its02:14:01
book it's scientists are a02:14:03
little like sleepwalkers they advance02:14:06
your like that and then sometimes02:14:09
scientist engages in a gallery02:14:10
and sometimes he found a bunch of02:14:13
things but at a certain point it's02:14:15
a dead end and he remains in this dead end02:14:17
without realizing that on the right02:14:19
there is a voice that opens see and me02:14:22
I compared it to a maze you go02:14:24
imagined a maze then people02:14:27
circulate in this labyrinth sometimes02:14:28
even he goes around in circles and everything02:14:30
suddenly you climb onto the labyrinth02:14:32
and when you step on the maze02:14:34
you see this and this is what happened02:14:36
in ISAM Ilam it is mounted on the wall and02:14:39
afterwards when he looks at the others he02:14:41
but how do they manage to02:14:42
to persist in this thing that turns02:14:44
in a ring02:14:47
HM so the thing is that so that the02:14:51
science shifts so that it changes it02:14:54
new ideas are needed and in02:14:55
new ideas well there is a sorting there02:14:58
necessarily has eccentric ideas which02:15:00
don't work, it's not because the02:15:02
people say I can explain everything02:15:05
it holds up but with the system02:15:07
Currently we no longer have the chance to see the02:15:11
new ideas appear see because02:15:13
in the past academicians could02:15:15
publish notes to the counter-report02:15:17
it was they who chose and when02:15:19
he published C notes he has one that held02:15:21
standing and four who couldn't stand02:15:23
but there was C there was not this02:15:25
filter now it's02:15:27
finished then when when you have a02:15:30
idiot because he's an idiot02:15:32
of love is a fool who finds the02:15:34
way to put this article on it02:15:36
was convinced a month or two ago he02:15:38
was at a dinner someone told him02:15:40
asked what do you think of the model02:15:42
Jean-Pierre Petit he responded very02:15:44
tense I showed him that it wasn't02:15:46
standing but he didn't show me anything at all02:15:49
I would have liked to say well listen we're going02:15:50
go to the next room there is a blackboard02:15:52
let's explain, it's incredible02:15:54
but how sad we are02:15:57
to waste time then I would have02:16:00
several questions for you to ask yourself02:16:03
dear Jean-Pierre so I can already tell you02:16:05
let you really express yourself02:16:07
because I see you are passing on02:16:08
full of but it's really let's go02:16:10
for the questions so I say to myself let's02:16:13
soon arrive at a sort of small02:16:15
break where I will ask Jean-Maxime02:16:16
Cornelius to come because it's good02:16:18
anyway Jean-Maxime Corneil who told me02:16:19
allowed to contact you to come02:16:21
so I think he will have some02:16:23
questions to ask yourself but so there02:16:24
had a donation that was made during02:16:27
during this interview so I02:16:28
me there is a question that asked you02:16:30
if you don't mind answering02:16:32
because it was I was waiting too02:16:33
so that we can address this a little02:16:35
theme there it's quite simple it's02:16:37
do you think quantum mechanics02:16:39
in that is to say in the infinitely small02:16:41
can explain certain mysteries of02:16:43
cosmos such as dark matter sorry02:16:45
so ask the question again I understand it02:16:47
a question from Maurice who asked us02:16:49
makes a donation and who says so do you think02:16:50
that quantum mechanics infinitely02:16:52
small can explain some mysteries02:16:54
of the cosmos such as dark matter02:16:56
dark matter is a component02:17:00
hypothetical of the cosmos which has a02:17:02
very specific function which is to hold02:17:04
galaxies so they don't explode02:17:07
well we don't have a model02:17:09
dark matter is not mechanics02:17:11
quantum which will bring us a02:17:12
answer you see that's all eh02:17:15
quantum mechanics has nothing to do with02:17:17
there is no there is no identity and02:17:21
and in fact what was extraordinary02:17:22
it’s that we have this dark matter02:17:24
searched in mines we searched for it02:17:26
in tunnels because you have to02:17:27
protect from cosmic radiation then02:17:29
there is a Frenchman who works in the02:17:31
Monsen tunnel and I remember there02:17:34
at 5 6 years old he had he had been in02:17:37
a video he said uh how it goes02:17:39
25 years that we are looking for we must no longer be02:17:42
far then you imagine a guy who02:17:45
was searching in a mine02:17:47
of salt to find uranium by02:17:48
example there is no uranium my old man02:17:50
you keep dying it's crazy and uh02:17:53
there is there is an Italian who she is02:17:55
under montsasso the montsasso tunnel02:17:58
because you have to have 2000 m of de of02:18:01
rock above her head and she02:18:02
said02:18:03
uh sometimes we wonder if we02:18:06
is not looking for what02:18:07
something that exists you don't realize02:18:09
the disaster of having spent 20 years02:18:11
his life 40 years of his life looking for a02:18:13
something that doesn't exist and that's not it02:18:15
quantum mechanics which brought you02:18:17
the answer the answer is that02:18:18
does not exist HM h I responded to the02:18:22
question I think and well thank you thank you02:18:23
a lot for this answer so uh in02:18:26
anyway what I what I'm going to do02:18:28
we're going to get there soon02:18:31
in any case a little conclusion there for02:18:32
this interview I would really like02:18:33
to be able to welcome Jean-Maxime02:18:35
Corney who in my opinion might want02:18:37
broach a subject uh with you and like02:18:41
obviously it was he who allowed me02:18:42
also to get in touch with you02:18:43
it's normal that I leave my friend02:18:44
be able to come but in any case02:18:46
I would like to make some reminders02:18:48
obviously so we were able to talk at the same time02:18:50
so the comics uh we presented everything02:18:52
on time i.e. genicus model02:18:54
against black science as you can02:18:55
order we will also put the link in02:18:57
description uh which allows you to02:18:59
support the work as we have it02:19:00
explained uh so there certainly we had the02:19:02
right to a real discussion02:19:04
exciting but you have to remember02:19:05
that there is a subject uh much more02:19:08
annoying and sad energy that was addressed02:19:11
it's the fact that you can't02:19:12
in fact express yourself freely above all02:19:15
on scientific journals there is a02:19:16
rejection from your fathers on on02:19:19
your work that you are obliged to02:19:21
rent rooms yourself to do02:19:22
conferences so don't hesitate02:19:24
obviously to consult the links which have02:19:26
been posted in the chat or which will be02:19:28
put in description so obviously this02:19:30
show you like, do not hesitate to02:19:32
say to react in a comment to put a02:19:33
maximum P to increase the02:19:35
visibility but above all to support the02:19:37
times the work of Jean-Pierre02:19:39
Small but also from Ham zel who was02:19:42
cited uh at a time if you have any02:19:45
knowledge and therefore wish to02:19:47
go a little further on the02:19:48
synthesis work provided by uh02:19:50
so Mr. Zéeli if not even for02:19:53
support this person who02:19:54
also therefore going through a period which is02:19:56
is not at all pleasant and affects02:19:59
strongly in my opinion its daily and02:20:01
potentially even the moral and02:20:03
cetera and you know I would fight02:20:05
so he can do research02:20:08
I would do anything unfortunately02:20:10
what I am obliged to tell you is02:20:11
that the only perspectives that02:20:13
I see it's outside France in02:20:15
France it's not possible it will be02:20:17
perhaps Morocco will perhaps be the02:20:19
United Arab Emirates it might be02:20:21
something like that and it won't be02:20:23
France is still terrible, it’s02:20:25
tragic even you know Icham it's a02:20:28
French Moroccan but he is French by02:20:30
heart there is no problem I had02:20:32
on the phone a Frenchman02:20:35
Franco-Algerian scientist who is02:20:37
left to work in the iraet and who said02:20:39
I am immersed in French culture02:20:41
I left France with a torn heart02:20:44
because I couldn't give a damn02:20:46
France you realize h but it's02:20:49
monstrous something like that while02:20:51
one could say but you understand02:20:52
we don't have the means but what02:20:54
that it is a research position it is02:20:55
nothing something like that how we02:20:57
can refuse something like that I02:20:59
sure something like that even I'm 87 years old02:21:02
I will see it there will be a scandal02:21:03
monstrous one day we will say but all that02:21:06
has been developed you know that for the02:21:07
imag this is what happened with the02:21:09
Russians you know that it is they who have02:21:10
makes hypersonic missiles or eh02:21:12
that's it, well that's it then obviously it's02:21:14
It's all a bit secret but it's02:21:17
that's that's exactly it HM uh in02:21:21
in any case uh Jean-Pierre is it02:21:23
that there is something other than02:21:24
we could add to uh support02:21:27
uh your work or especially maybe02:21:29
here you help as much as possible in the face of this02:21:31
problematic - there because obviously02:21:32
so you do many02:21:33
conferences you allow your work02:21:35
to be accessible either free of charge or02:21:37
otherwise to be able to support you too02:21:38
financially because you are02:21:39
obliged, for example, to rent rooms02:21:41
that's what we could say simply02:21:42
be able to express yourself and moreover in the face of02:21:43
uh people who are they02:21:45
also scientists uh is it02:21:47
there are other ways uh something02:21:50
what do you like to say to our spectators who02:21:52
would like to be able to support you02:21:54
know honestly I don't know what to say02:21:56
because for example when I did02:21:57
this conference in Paris I found02:22:00
so shocking that we have to02:22:01
payerin B when I got there that02:22:04
gave us €3,000 in fees when02:22:07
I put a cardboard box for02:22:08
put money people put 10 € there02:22:10
there was 300 €. by the way it costs 30002:22:13
€ and we have 200 it costs €3000 we have €30002:22:17
of Don then there are people who said02:22:19
but we will try to do something to02:22:20
raise money I'm shocked I02:22:23
said I don't want to do anymore02:22:24
conferences I want you to do02:22:26
pressure on the university to02:22:28
welcomes me, it's not normal02:22:30
example currently the thing that I02:22:32
would like to do is introduce Janus to02:22:35
the Academy of Sciences and there I02:22:37
tried to mobilize Cédric Vilani I02:22:40
couldn't get it on the phone I have it I02:22:42
worked it worked I told him02:22:44
but I'm not asking you to02:22:46
support the Janus model but I02:22:48
asks to be able to present it he02:22:52
deflated this guy is a draft02:22:54
but why do you think uh he s s02:22:56
swollen because there I would have a me02:22:58
I have one last question for you02:22:59
ask before bringing in I explain02:23:01
let me ask you this because02:23:02
that once again I don't know02:23:03
necessarily all your work your routes02:23:05
and I saw questions that can02:23:06
be recurring uh it seems02:23:09
that some wonder if the does02:23:12
that you are ostracized and marketinalized02:23:14
even in fact that you have so many02:23:15
problems maybe because of some02:23:18
of your work or in any case uh of of02:23:20
your comments on notions of oven02:23:22
uupology then I saw a term that02:23:24
which I did not follow but which is called02:23:26
Umi Umi et cetera so excuse me if I02:23:28
pronounce it wrong but do you think02:23:30
not that apparently it could be02:23:31
because of things other than the common02:23:34
finally that certain people of the02:23:35
scientific community decides about you02:23:37
put aside because of things that02:23:39
have nothing to do with the genus model02:23:40
I mean and that has always been02:23:42
all the time al you know well02:23:44
look at Galileo who was obliged02:23:46
to abjure he said that the earth moved02:23:49
but it was not possible there is02:23:51
always a moment when we have arcana02:23:53
in science who are02:23:55
untouchables for example Galileo had02:23:59
a vision of the cosmos which contradicted02:24:01
sees writings well there it's the same02:24:04
I say things that02:24:05
contradict the scriptures but02:24:07
do you think it would be by02:24:08
example this subject which could02:24:10
explain to this point which is so much02:24:13
researchers or personalities who are02:24:15
linked to the world of research which02:24:18
can have this kind of reaction02:24:19
towards you because for me that's what02:24:21
still seems to me02:24:22
mind-blowing very you know you know02:24:25
I did this cosmology work but02:24:27
I also have a book called the02:24:29
metaphysicon if you want02:24:30
eventually we can talk about it because02:24:32
that this is also a contribution of02:24:34
for my part, that doesn't have much to do with02:24:37
cosmology but it’s dizzying02:24:39
because it's a kind of theory of02:24:41
belief eh and there it all rests02:24:44
on a bisoroid object that I02:24:46
show there you know that and that well02:24:48
it is a monohedron it is a poly which has no02:24:51
only one side as it only has one02:24:53
side he only has one stop that's it02:24:55
the topology is good topology02:24:57
it's you have to touch it this thing it's02:25:00
it's really funny what that's good and02:25:01
well that destabilizes people who02:25:05
are believers, religions do not mean02:25:07
say that the world is material02:25:09
contrary I say the opposite I say02:25:12
we have a material world and a world02:25:14
immaterial yes so what is it02:25:15
that you are you are the guru of a02:25:17
new religion no I'm not the02:25:18
guru I just give tools02:25:21
intellectuals to reflect on your02:25:22
beliefs and well I had threats of02:25:24
death of Israeli fundamentalists outright02:25:27
you hear okay we'll come from02:25:31
to hide well yes they are afraid of where02:25:32
the parallel you made02:25:33
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Explorez la vie et les travaux de Jean-Pierre Petit, astrophysicien français renommé et auteur, dont les théories audacieuses ont souvent défié les conventions scientifiques. Lors de cet entretien plongez dans l'univers de cet éminent chercheur, qui a brillé par ses contributions significatives en magnétohydrodynamique et en cosmologie avec son célèbre modèle Janus. Ce modèle propose une nouvelle approche de l'univers en suggérant l'existence de matière négative et positive, remettant en question les paradigmes traditionnels comme la matière noire et l'énergie sombre. Jean-Pierre Petit est également reconnu pour ses efforts de vulgarisation scientifique, transformant des concepts complexes en informations accessibles à tous à travers des livres et des bandes dessinées. Toutefois, ses propositions non conventionnelles lui ont valu un rejet total de la part de la communauté scientifique en France, allant de la marginalisation académique, des interdiction de publication et même une impossibilité de s'exprimer, le forçant à louer lui-même des salles de conférences. Cet entretien offre un regard en profondeur sur ses défis professionnels, notamment ses difficultés à publier dans des revues scientifiques de renom et l'isolement professionnel qu'il a pu ressentir. La classification de certaines de ses théories en tant que pseudoscience, sans arguments sur le fond par ses détracteurs académiciens notamment, souligne également les obstacles rencontrés par ceux qui osent remettre en question les normes établies. ❤️ Recevez la nouvelle REVUE mensuelle directement dans votre boite aux lettres : https://fr.geopolitique-profonde.com/lettre-confidentielle-commande2 ⚔ SOUTENEZ vos émissions #GPTV avec un DON pour nous aider dans le combat : https://fr.geopolitique-profonde.com/don 😒 Saviez-vous que 45,2% d'entre vous ne sont toujours pas abonnés à notre YouTube ? 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