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Hello friends on the air00:00:08
geoenergy info Maxim Radaikin and00:00:10
my interlocutor today Alexander00:00:12
Frolov Alexander good afternoon00:00:14
Hello hello Alexander the00:00:16
hydrogen bank will finance seven00:00:18
projects for a total amount of 720 million euros00:00:23
Alexander Why is it so modest that they have00:00:25
enough hydrogen for yachts and decided to limit themselves to00:00:30
720 darling This is still a rather abstract00:00:34
amount, let’s talk specifically about00:00:38
production volumes and what should00:00:40
be done with this money, and there you have Spain00:00:44
and Norway, you know, the00:00:47
country of the European Union and Finland and00:00:49
Portugal. In general, several projects00:00:52
received this kind of support and these00:00:54
projects should, more precisely, within the framework of these00:00:57
projects, there should be00:01:00
electrolysers with a total capacity of 1 givat00:01:04
and they should produce00:01:08
1.58 million tons of green00:01:13
hydrogen, but not immediately, but over 10 years. And there00:01:18
is another component: the00:01:20
companies that won the auction committed to00:01:22
sell hydrogen at a price of00:01:26
3748 eurocents per kilogram,00:01:32
what’s wrong here and what’s wrong here is what at00:01:35
the moment. While we are recording00:01:38
this video according to the assessment of Platz, which00:01:42
the agency was directly interested in, this was with00:01:43
interest in this topic. And a00:01:46
kilogram of green hydrogen costs 800:01:53
euros, here it is assumed that the average00:01:56
price will decrease Well, by 20 times, in00:02:00
fact, exercises with hydrogen00:02:01
energy over the past 50 years have been00:02:04
repeated throughout all developed00:02:08
countries, as it is now fashionable to call it,00:02:11
and the last time there was hydrogen-powered00:02:14
equipment at the Munich airport,00:02:16
it was expensive, it was00:02:18
pointless and in the end, this00:02:22
project was closed, but nevertheless,00:02:24
experience was accumulated, new opportunities appeared,00:02:27
let's add hydrogen energy00:02:29
to our Zena tomorrow, how if00:02:32
most of the hydrogen, about 85% of all00:02:35
hydrogen in the world, is produced from00:02:37
natural gas, and from natural00:02:40
gas without capture CO2 And this means00:02:43
that such hydrogen is conventionally called00:02:45
Gray and it is extremely non-ephrenic, it directly00:02:49
harms the environment from all sides and methane00:02:52
is a greenhouse gas and the CO2 that00:02:54
is formed is also a greenhouse gas, ugh00:02:56
to be such hydrogen, so it is necessary If00:02:59
you conduct this from natural gas the00:03:02
hydrogen itself must be made so that CO200:03:05
is captured, and then it will be blue00:03:09
hydrogen, a conventional name, and00:03:12
you can already use this hydrogen, although00:03:17
politicians and many scientists are and are against it, and publications are being published about the00:03:21
non-ecological friendliness of this hydrogen.00:03:22
But this is a separate topic for us00:03:24
now transition to green hydrogen green00:03:27
hydrogen this00:03:31
allows, ideally, makes it possible to make an00:03:34
energy system with an excess share of00:03:36
renewable sources stable and00:03:39
cheap, that is, this scheme will be00:03:41
cheap,00:03:43
provided that how it should work00:03:46
wind solar power plants in00:03:48
abundance 80% of electrical energy00:03:51
is generated by them and then all 100%00:03:53
is generated on them, otherwise, well, there are00:03:57
options. Otherwise, we will also cosmos them, but for now, this is the00:03:59
point at which 80% is generated00:04:03
and part of the excess power is sent00:04:06
to00:04:07
electrolyzers that split water into its00:04:10
components into hydrogen and00:04:13
oxygen, everyone is wonderful, we like it00:04:16
and let hydrogen fly into the atmosphere; we00:04:17
take it and use it as an00:04:19
independent energy carrier.00:04:21
This kind of operation, that is,00:04:22
electrolysis of water to produce hydrogen, is00:04:24
energetically meaningless. Well, because00:04:27
you will spend more energy than you get00:04:29
if you need hydrogen as an integral00:04:31
part of your production00:04:33
process there, for example, in oil refining. Well, yes00:04:35
Okay, this makes sense because what is00:04:38
important to you is not the energy of this hydrogen, you00:04:40
need a molecule of this hydrogen, which you00:04:42
fit in somewhere further for the00:04:44
chemical foundry industry, this is00:04:47
also quite suitable for itself. That is,00:04:50
you spend more energy than00:04:51
you get, but hydrogen is important to you as a raw material00:04:54
But in the energy scheme it turns out00:04:56
funny because if we sign00:05:00
hydrogen, under Merkel00:05:03
Germany’s hydrogen strategy, it turned out that by the00:05:05
year Germany will spend 2000:05:07
hours of electrical energy to00:05:10
produce 14 watt hours of hydrogen. Well, if00:05:14
we hydrogen recalculate the values, we00:05:16
can do this; in fact, it’s not difficult to00:05:18
calculate the effectiveness of this00:05:21
70% schemes That is, you spend 100% of the energy at00:05:25
the output, you get 7%,00:05:28
um, then you continue to use hydrogen as an00:05:31
independent energy carrier. But the00:05:33
hydrogen strategy itself implies00:05:35
that you produce this green hydrogen, which is00:05:37
very environmentally beautiful in all00:05:39
respects, electrical energy from00:05:41
renewable sources, water, well, water00:05:43
what are the complaints about water emissions Yes, it’s00:05:46
just oxygen oxygen We00:05:48
like Let it fly into the atmosphere and00:05:51
this pure hydrogen Without any00:05:53
negative trace, we continue to use it00:05:56
as an energy carrier Well,00:05:57
use electricity as an00:05:58
energy carrier, charge the batteries,00:06:01
ride on this electricity or what00:06:02
else do you want to do with it, but that00:06:05
is, from an energy point of view, this is00:06:07
some kind of nonsense, but if we begin to00:06:09
perceive hydrogen as a battery, then00:06:12
everything falls into place, in fact, the00:06:14
hydrogen strategy of the European Union00:06:16
implied that these00:06:18
electrolysis capacities are being built that will00:06:20
split water to get hydrogen Yes,00:06:27
blue hydrogen is still considered quite conventional until the year 30, but00:06:29
now we’ll get to that. And00:06:31
how does it fit in? The main task00:06:33
was to develop the green hydrogen industry,00:06:36
that is, it was meant that it was necessary to00:06:39
create a market for00:06:41
hydrogen and in this market for now it is00:06:44
developing, blue hydrogen also fits in,00:06:46
but we place the main emphasis on00:06:48
green hydrogen, which is essentially a00:06:49
battery; excess power splits00:06:52
water; more precisely, excess power is sent00:06:54
to an electrolyzer; the electrolyzer works;00:06:57
splits water; we obtain hydrogen;00:07:00
we use hydrogen as an independent00:07:01
energy carrier; or we refuel vehicles; a00:07:04
type of electric vehicle runs on hydrogen; there are00:07:07
fuel cells in which00:07:09
electrical energy is generated from hydrogen,00:07:10
that is, hydrogen is not burned there.00:07:12
But it is used in this way, and00:07:15
looking ahead, I will note that sales of hydrogen00:07:17
cars fell in two thirds of the year and00:07:19
in the first quarter of twenty-four00:07:22
they are also falling, moreover, in the00:07:23
United States of America and in Europe and00:07:25
Japan in00:07:27
general, despite the fact that these sales were not00:07:30
fantastic, there were00:07:32
somewhere around a couple of tens of thousands of units a year, but00:07:37
nothing, nothing, what’s important is that by the00:07:40
twenty-fourth year, according to the00:07:42
hydrogen strategy of the00:07:44
European Union in the European Union, it should00:07:47
have been install 6 GW of00:07:50
electrolyzers and produce 1 million tons of00:07:54
green00:07:57
hydrogen Guess00:08:01
Guess did the00:08:04
European Union succeed in creating a market create the00:08:07
prerequisites finance00:08:09
invest stimulate in some00:08:11
places As much as 2 gigawatts of00:08:21
capacity, that is, at the end of this year at the00:08:24
beginning of the year at the disposal00:08:27
of the Europeans countries had as much as 200 megawatts of00:08:31
capacity for the production of green00:08:32
hydrogen out of 6 gigawatts, which00:08:35
were further required by foundry workers, there00:08:39
is a difficult situation with them due to the fact that the00:08:42
metallurgy of Europe is experiencing a crisis00:08:44
that began back in the tenth00:08:47
years, competition with00:08:49
foreign suppliers, including China,00:08:51
including Russia, has intensified. everything has moved into the00:08:54
stage of protective duties. That is,00:08:57
in fact, such a struggle has already been opened for00:09:00
dominance over the European market, and00:09:02
not to say that this foundry steel is already00:09:04
good, but then the guys tell them00:09:06
blue hydrogen, and green is better, they00:09:08
nod and say it’s a great idea, a great idea,00:09:10
very good in our time in our00:09:12
turbulent times, this is exactly what we00:09:15
needed To increase profitability to00:09:17
improve economic indicators00:09:19
Thank you very much further chemists further00:09:23
fertilizer manufacturers Well, in00:09:26
general, the story is a little less dramatic, but00:09:28
nevertheless, everything is also00:09:30
not quite good But even00:09:32
if we assume that the volume of consumption00:09:34
will not be reduced, but will be limited at the current00:09:36
level there. We are not talking about any 1000:09:38
million tons, we are not even talking about a00:09:41
million tons, in general, if00:09:44
you look at green hydrogen, there will00:09:47
most likely not be enough consumers,00:09:50
not that they consume less than a million it’s00:09:51
just, well, if it’s00:09:53
possible to simply install a trap00:09:55
on an existing installation that00:09:58
produces hydrogen from natural gas, then00:10:00
you’ll probably do it and not buy00:10:02
green hydrogen from someone there.00:10:04
This means that the sales market for green00:10:06
hydrogen is still collapsing and here we00:10:09
come to these wonderful people00:10:11
who jump up and say guys,00:10:14
we will finance the hydrogen bank,00:10:20
you will start00:10:23
producing at00:10:29
1 million tons of production And then there will be00:10:32
givat who00:10:36
will produce00:10:38
1.58 million00:10:40
tons within 10 years and the price will fall due to what Well, that00:10:45
is, if this is the Price which implies00:10:49
that we gave you money on a non-refundable00:10:51
basis and this money, among other things, goes00:10:54
not only to the implementation of the project, but also to00:10:57
ensure that you sell your hydrogen below00:11:00
cost, then Okay, no questions. But00:11:03
if it is implied that this money,00:11:06
even if given on a non-refundable00:11:08
basis but they will only be used for the implementation of00:11:10
the project and then it00:11:13
will be necessary. Well, somehow sell it at00:11:15
this price, there is an average of 40 eurocents per00:11:18
kilogram, then I have bad news, you00:11:20
know, a lot of stars in the sky00:11:23
will line up so that these 4000:11:27
eurocents will turn out There after all, in general,00:11:29
we are talking about the fact that as soon as green hydrogen00:11:31
costs 1 euro per kilogram, it will00:11:34
trample no, don’t look at it, there is no00:11:36
infrastructure, there is no market, there are no00:11:38
consumers, the code cried, it00:11:41
will trample00:11:43
Well, maybe it will trample, but investing less than 100:11:47
billion dollars is good, euros don’t00:11:50
matter, in fact, it’s still less 100:11:52
billion per 100:11:55
givat that will be stretched over time00:11:58
will be built.00:12:00
And this is a cool idea. By the way, I’ll note00:12:04
that it was planned to deliver 40 GW by the00:12:07
third00:12:09
year, and according to some estimates, not00:12:12
Russian ones. God forbid, but there are Western00:12:15
good ones. Well, in the heat of the moment, you know with the00:12:17
molecules of Freedom even the letter of freedom00:12:20
and the number of freedom are all very00:12:23
free there, so according to these estimates, about00:12:25
120 GW of electrolysers are needed to00:12:29
implement those environmental plans00:12:31
that underlie the development of00:12:33
hydrogen energy if we00:12:36
consider hydrogen as a battery and not00:12:38
just how we will produce00:12:40
hydrogen here and Let's force those who00:12:43
currently00:12:44
consume hydrogen to buy it. Here they will buy it from our00:12:46
electrolysis. This is the green00:12:48
hydrogen they will buy. It will be00:12:51
very cool.00:12:52
How will we deliver it somehow?00:12:55
And we will put it right next to the refinery. This is00:12:58
electrolysis so it won't be far off00:13:00
so that it doesn’t cost absolutely crazy money00:13:02
then yes Okay, that is, does00:13:05
the refinery work with hydrogen? Yes, hydrogen works there;00:13:08
hydrogen is collected from a number of processes.00:13:11
Just if you do00:13:12
n’t have enough hydrogen from these processes, you can00:13:14
produce it in the required volumes from00:13:16
natural gas, which also comes to00:13:18
you don’t00:13:19
come to your00:13:21
oil refinery in order00:13:23
to heat the stoves there and in order to,00:13:25
well, essentially heat the stoves, and00:13:28
in order to produce a little hydrogen00:13:29
for hydro processes, for00:13:59
energy sources and about their failures too,00:14:01
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