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people's
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interest Good afternoon dear
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radio listener on the air program people's
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interest presenter Tatyana Fedyaeva
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sound engineer Alexander Radin Today we
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invited Pavel Viktorovich
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Tyulenev, vice-president of the People's
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Academy of Sciences, to the studio, here we have an Academy of
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Sciences And there is a People's Academy of Sciences
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people's interest and the People's Academy of
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Sciences Good afternoon Pavel Viktorovich good
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good morning
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uh listeners of the people's radio I
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greet you all from the People's
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Academy of Sciences I understand Pavel Viktorovich
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first of all a little about you you are
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involved in education You graduated from
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Tyumen Tomsk Tomsk University
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studied cybernetics and suddenly this
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and a bunch of other very interesting things and
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suddenly a sharp turn you you are engaged
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purely in education, education,
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child development, and so on. What is this caused by?
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No, I
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have been involved in pedagogy and education from the very beginning and constantly,
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from the very beginning of my conscious
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activity, even studying at school,
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and I have not,
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starting from this
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class,
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from subjects and the teachers themselves freed me
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because I have my
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mother was constantly ill, I was
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independent in raising my brothers
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and was, in general, the leader in the family, the
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teachers freed me first from drawing,
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then from drawing, then from the Russian
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language and from literature, that is, from four
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subjects, I wanted to
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free myself from all the others because
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school was for me I didn’t like it because the very
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extended programs are taught very incorrectly,
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in general, I constantly struggled. And
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in sixty-nine, this is when the
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sixties, seventies, sixty-
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five, I was released for the first time, so I
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was released from But the results were
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a little earlier, this was the second third
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grade and that the program that I am implementing
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now Yes, this is for education, I
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formulated it at the age of 12, it was the fourth
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grade. This is a modeling program. That
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is, I consider the
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entire education system as the science of
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modeling, that is, verbal
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modeling - these are texts, video
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modeling - these are films and
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mathematical modeling - this is science
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and I have this problem, the whole program
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was formulated somewhere in the fourth grade,
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I remember it well and it’s described in my books.
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I’m just now
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approaching the final implementation of this, that is, the
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child turned out to be a child - this is
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always the father of an adult Well,
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in fact, there is a lot here, my
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father told me, he called him the best artist in
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our region of the public in Kyrgyzstan, he
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painted a portrait, designed the VDNKh TSUM and so
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on, he was the best artist, carried out
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all the orders, the most complex ones, he carried out, he
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always called everyone originals, or rather,
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he called everyone models that is,
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he draws a person Yes, this is a model And
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I have the original and it just so happens
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that in a person’s head the
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original is created and we are all
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models But then I found out that in
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fact it’s the other way around, that is, we are
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still in the head Karl Marx said that
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we create a fashion of some kind of reality and
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then we do something with it. Yes,
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remember. Yes, such a person differs from a
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bee in that he first creates a model. Here
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I have this all the time. Well, let’s not
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touch bees, they are also good in their own way.
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So it was spinning all the time and uh, then I
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realized that uh, everything they teach at school and
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at university is the first modeling languages.
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Well, of course, literature and so on and so
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forth, and I went sequentially through all these
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professions and tried on myself. That’s what
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we managed to try on. tried on a lot of people and
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as a result Why did I go to chemistry
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because well, I was invited there, I remember,
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without competition, to the history
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department and so on, I already worked as an
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archaeologist in the ninth grade, but I
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went to chemistry To understand Well,
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nanotechnology, roughly speaking, and genetics
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Me I was interested Well, then there were no such words yet
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Naga genetics It’s clear Vavila, well,
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genetics genomics then the
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work of Osna and Crick appeared, this is the decoding of DNA,
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remember the structures of that’s why I went to chemistry
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Well, besides this, I was interested in
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thermonuclear Energy and, in fact,
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this is such a long way so and yes yes but but
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in the end, since I was constantly
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engaged in education and with these
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methods I was freed from school. In
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1969,
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when I became acquainted with the works of Axel
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Ivanovich Berg, this is the chairman of the council of the
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scientific council on cybernetics. I
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discovered that they are already offering a
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solution to all our problems. that is, there is
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programmed learning called
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programmed learning on
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computers,
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but in those same years in 8M, Boris Paloch
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Nikitin published work on which it
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was clear
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what you mean We and our children No
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no no he had an article at a
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conference in
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Novosibirsk about the law on the irreversible Union, the
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possibility of effective development
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was
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understandable. Well, we should not teach at the age of 7,
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as we are taught much earlier. Besides
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this, I became acquainted with the works of
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Norbert Winner and it
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sounded absolutely clear and on the radio then they said that a
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person uses only five
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possibilities 5 % of the brain's capabilities
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Well, as soon as I was in the seventh
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grade then I imagined that you can
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imagine that you can increase a
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person's potential 20 times, and in 20 years after that I
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increased it 20 times because we have And where are the
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criteria for the result, you understand, you need the most
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understandable criteria understandable
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criteria are education How many
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areas of education will a person
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actually receive? I thought that there
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should be about 10. Here is the direction of a person:
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biology, physics, chemistry, yes, if an
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ordinary person, let’s say, can become a
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genius in one area, then a normally
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developed person can become a genius in
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children's areas
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and in 200 it finally happened so
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that the children received five higher
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educations by the age of 18. This is who received
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this, the
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Knyazev sisters, remember there was such a
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story, but in fact I discovered something else
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200 exactly years ago. Here in this
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The year of the anniversary should be celebrated widely.
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Years
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ago, Alexander Griboedov received the Law of Moscow State University,
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by the way. Received three higher
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educations, three diplomas of higher
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education. But besides that, he was also a
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magnificent musician, he was also a
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writer, and that is, count also, that is,
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five higher educations in Russia.
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world record such results
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were not in one country 200 years ago
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and 200 years ago he received the same amount of
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education we actually reproduced
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Here are our parents who
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accepted the ideas of Nikitin Shatalov
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Zaitsev and my ideas and read it faster than
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Katya and others they were able to do it
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Of course, this is very difficult to do because
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everyone around seems to be opposing it,
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getting in the way, and so on,
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but you need to believe very firmly and in this
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that your child can be gifted.
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Brilliantly. But it will be convenient for this
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gifted environment that has developed.
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smart developed There they
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finished school for 10 years No Previously,
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earlier, in my opinion, at 10 years old or to
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university or at 12 years old they entered Moscow State University
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there like this one in one in one in
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another in
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11 Well, look what I think
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they were deprived Well, they come, that’s interesting. It’s
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interesting
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that how we look at childhood. If we
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look at
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childhood,
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then they are deprived of this childhood. These are all
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our children that we are raising. And if
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childhood is the science of creativity,
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development,
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interesting things? Well, how can we say about great
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games and so on? about physical development,
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especially
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then it turns out that we are giving a
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real childhood to Dariko. In our
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sim, these most wonderful girls
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once left for the princes in the USA and there now
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they are already 22 years old.
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23 The fact is that the fact is that there
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was a problem here in fact, already 8
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to 9 years ago there were a lot of
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invitations from the USA because
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there teachers take 10 12 14
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subjects How to work with
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gifted children they wrote about this in
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our Ministry in this year I
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have a report Yes in The Ministry of Education
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that in many States they take exams
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How to work with gifted children They
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know that all gifted children are
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especially developed, we will not talk about
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gifted, this is a mystical term that has
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absolutely nothing to do with
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reality; in
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fact, children to whom are considered to be gifted are developed.
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parents accidentally applied
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discovered methods of intellectual
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development or here we are now. It
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turns out that corporations and the
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state immediately take all measures
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to support these children, and so
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on, this program is called Merit
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Merito Giya, this is a whole Science they had
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after we launched the satellite
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The Americans literally grabbed their
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heads and said that we should
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get ahead of the USSR, so yeah, they developed the
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Merit program, which includes
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testing starting from 2 years old and all
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children who show a high
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IQ. They
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open all the doors for them. Well, to show
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high
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intelligence, high IQ. intelligence,
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we need to see this child, they
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They created the Federal Service, so we have been
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fighting for 20 years now. I am fighting personally, I apply
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all the time and they don’t create such a service, e
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service is just deep testing, and
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where the child is developed, it means the parents
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take a responsible approach to their children and
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they do to raise him, they
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don’t have these, they start funding these children from
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the State and take them
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to the CIA for the State Department in the Government And so
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on, you understand, yes, that is, they
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finance the State and take them in,
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invite them to work,
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guaranteed pay, and so on,
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a social package, and so on right away, you know there is
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in about a year 34,000 they pour in the most
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talented people from the very top of the world in the
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United States of the rest And from
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the rest They watch all over the world and
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invite them to work and now the
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USA is ready to skim off the cream
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Yes, and in Russia a lot of people
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get there, but when do I come to me
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they asked for advice. I said, under
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no circumstances go to the USA right away,
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first get here as many
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educations as you can, and they got four
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here and only the fifth. We went there, here
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they already defended their dissertation oh oh.
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I don’t really like all this, or rather, I don’t really like it at all.
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I like it, I’ll explain why
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Because it turns out Let’s
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look for talented children Let’s
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invest in them and then some
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country will take it away from us and we will develop a
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completely different approach Let’s talk about this,
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look at our approach e Nikitin and
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Shatalov back in the seventies year
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they proposed switching to universal higher
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education, I remember this well. Well, yes,
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we now have a second, no, for universal
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higher education until the
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age of 18 to solve demographic problems and
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health problems, and so on, all problems
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were solved then it was this year,
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but in response to It was our then Academy of
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Pedagogical Sciences that proposed a taphole, everything is
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the other way around, absolutely the opposite is true. And I
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remember Nikitin’s speech, he openly
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said that what is she doing? It’s
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really
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humiliating, then he warned that the
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Soviet Union would be destroyed by whomever, not
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economists, not some politicians,
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but teachers specifically Academy of
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Pedagogical Sciences and he constantly
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invited the President of the Academy of
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Pedagogical Sciences to look at how
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preschool education should actually be organized,
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but it was very
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difficult for Nikitin, of course, he fought with both the
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Ministry of Health and the
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Ministry. Well, let's say a few
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words about Nikitin because not everyone knows
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Boris Nikitin - this is the teacher Novator,
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together with his wife Lena Nikitina,
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they gave birth to and raised seven children,
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all of whom were not
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only ready for school, but it turned out
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that in general, almost all the children
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graduated from primary school in one year,
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that is, the savings amounted to three
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times, that is, for the period They didn’t
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study further because it was generally
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unbelievable to get such
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results then we didn’t
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even teach children even at the age of 6
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because it was prohibited and they thought
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it was a program game game means According to my
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data ho Bori Pach writes there at the age of 3 and a
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half, but according to my data,
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their best result was 2 years ago, it was already the
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beginning, that is, at 2 years old already
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a person, and I was also studying then, they
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personally started teaching me at the age of 5,
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even at 5 years and then they took it away and
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stopped studying with me, it’s good I
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remember how great it was Well, I won’t stop you
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how much it hurt me and how interesting it was for me to
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study at the age of 5 already in the
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first grade according to the program And how
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terrible it was for me when I had all these books
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All they took it away and I decided, of course, to get to the
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bottom of it and as a result, my daughter
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started reading at 11 months old, she was already
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making up words herself and the ZBK of the magnetic ABC,
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of ​​course there was a big scandal, the grandmother
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was indignant, she almost called an
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ambulance there, what have you done to
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the child, and so on but the child began to
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compose LEKO himself, and involuntarily, and
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in between, then I did it carefully,
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set the typewriter up and showed it to the child, and at the
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age of one, my daughter began to type, that
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is, to spell words, then
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sentences,
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and in general, she already kept a diary at the age of 3,
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that’s all available on the Internet Larisa tulle
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Diaries of Larisa tulle starting
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from 2 to 2 years old she was typing fairy tales
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so the program includes this is what you
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need first means letters syllables then
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words then
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sentences then keeping a diary then
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fairy tales and at 4 years old the script is definitely
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necessary to teach the child how to write a script for
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radio programs for
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television, creating fashion, this is a model,
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they really love
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to imagine how
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the heroes and the heroes do what, of course, there is a
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special selection of toys that are so soft
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and the child writes fairy tales about these toys,
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this is such a technique we have and it turns out
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that if, for example, there is a lion, then it will be
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about Africa is a fairy tale, if it means there is a
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Bear, then it will be about Siberia. Yes, and about
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Alaska, if there is a crocodile, it definitely
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means that we give an atlas of measures, starting from
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6 months, an atlas of the world and the child
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knows almost all countries by the age of one year, and we
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demonstrated the children. Here is Sanka Dmitrova
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from
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Mitin too on television as soon as
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she spoke she was invited to
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television it was a year and 4 months she
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knows absolutely all the countries all all the
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capitals she knows the map of the world by heart she was in
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this format A3 everything is
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small
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all all the countries show everything reads
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further the whole table mileeva reads
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tells the table multiplication BC knew
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this for a year and 4 months, but in fact
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she read at 10 months The first word
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was that she read out loud smoke
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And there was a case So in the children's
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clinic there was a sign for no smoking and the
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mother noticed Well, they passed by in the
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corridor this sign means child
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Sasha As he says, they looked at smoking
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and don’t smoke, this is this, this is
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actually natural They read all the signs, it’s all
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part of the program,
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when you’re walking, it’s better, of course, to pay
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attention to these, you children always read
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this, this is what used to be banned, as it were
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in our time And now Pavel
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Viktorovich is what we can expect from
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talented, well-
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educated children, or rather adults, the
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child was raised well,
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educated well, and some simply leave the country,
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as we have already said. And others, to be
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honest, just someone is an alcoholic,
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someone not finding a use for yourself.
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You see, this is the dissonance of Tai, I, I, I
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tracked many stories of fate and
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I came to the conclusion that you need to do it
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as they do in Jewish
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pedagogy in Muslim pedagogy,
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that such children need to be protected and
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conditions should be created for them who will have
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more orega this society does it,
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you can just take it and copy it like in others,
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the confession is done there, uh, the
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teenager has more than one or two mugs,
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22 mugs. That is, he is absolutely
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busy all the time, you know, he walks around, he’s
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interested, he doesn’t want to laugh. Astronaut, he
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goes there so that there is no laziness mother
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Yes, he goes here and there. I remember very well,
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for example, my mother also told me.
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Don’t go outside under any circumstances. Go to
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clubs. I went there, well, about 15-20 of them, I
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went constantly. That is, she
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said like that And I think in all of them Well, what
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to count, now you have to count the money
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if the circle costs 1,000 rubles per lesson.
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Look, in Soviet times,
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it was all free, so the only thing
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about a music school, but we have
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developed a system The era of human
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development, the so-called system and anyone
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can register, we believe that
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necessary, taking into account the experience of other
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faiths and other pedagogies, you need to do it
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at home in the family kindergarten school university immediately
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kindergarten school university Because now
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Harvard and Spruce and Moscow State University and many other
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universities give free courses directly
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on the Internet and you can
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prepare Pochep for higher education without leaving home
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education, but You need to start from the very
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conception of the very conception and all
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these recommendations are there, you can go in.
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Here is the world lazy system, methods of
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intellectual development, we are
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registering and we help everyone who
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wants, and here it turns out that we are
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training according to somewhere de programs, this is
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the standard 10
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programs So the first thing I want to
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say is that we don’t have a program for teaching
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reading, we immediately have a
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journalist program because it’s not interesting for a child to just
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learn something, but being a
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journalist is interesting to him, especially since he
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might be interested in what kind of journalist stands up But
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he brings one letter Here you are
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you said to the editor of the newspaper, Bring a letter,
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and he ended up in the next neighboring room,
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brought a letter, but here he is a journalist, he has
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already brought you information, you gave him a task,
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he brought two or three letters further,
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then brought them, Bring them, that is,
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write those tasks on paper Bring them here,
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mama he brings half that room, but they
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bring it in two in two And which next ones are
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already pa you look in the other hand already pa
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Yeah Well, I’ll give the next task
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Bring the syllable pa he’s already he’s already modeling
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he’s already modeling yes they’re predicting Or Ba
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and looked crawled back that is, they are
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journalists Here they are They love and along
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the way you make an obstacle out of ottomans Yes
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And so he crawls like a journalist there in
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Chechnya somewhere in the mountains and so he loves to
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crawl as a child How
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to overcome these obstacles in the mountains Yes So
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this reading training program exists
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program journalist second program -
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This is, for example, Mendeleev Lomonosov oh
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Mendeleev nanotechnologist Yes, these are cards
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with elements of the periodic table, then
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this card can be
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spread out on the periodic table in the kitchen and sorted, they
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really like to sort iron copper
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gold silver, if there is graphite, all
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this is carbon
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iron ferum Yes, and they learn this by heart and they
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really like to draw, they really like
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to draw circles. And these are the atoms of the nucleus,
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protons, neutrons, and they are
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already drawing the entire delay table at the age of 2, 2.
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they really love
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to make these circles, which means the program In
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addition, there is to know the notes before
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you go, that is, we give notes on the cards,
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we recommend this syllables to will be
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engaged, here's a tortured mother
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who works three jobs, father
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Well, let's get real real how it was
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real I worked was I was the only one in
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charge of the general director of three enterprises,
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my mother was categorically against it,
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I just asked not to interfere at all with
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watching TV and my grandmother, they are
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completely unaware. They still don’t
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know when the child started reading print.
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They still don’t know when Auger is
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probably abnormal. no. wait, I’m
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telling you an extreme case.
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So, the system was specially
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tested over the years, these days
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when it was simply impossible, firstly, you
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couldn’t buy anything, you
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had to look for the sun, and secondly, it was very
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difficult to study, everyone was busy,
00:22:54
fleeing hunger, and so on therefore there
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are no additional costs, you only need to
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know three things to be able to communicate correctly
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with a child, that is, not how we communicate, we
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communicate incorrectly if we
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communicate incorrectly, 99% of us will not be
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gifted. Tell us what it means to
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communicate correctly And what it means
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incorrectly Well, look, there is such a
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concept imprinting and imprinting is when a
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child remembers everything absolutely 100% in the first 4 months,
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then
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impression five if we do this, we need to
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repeat it a couple of times, then he will
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do it. That is, if you consider
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each session of communication with a child as an
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imprinting session or pressing them, then you are
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for year you can make him a genius All
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if you view your communication as
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with a future genius repeated about Leave I don’t
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want No wrong a small child
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will absorb everything he will do
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everything if if this year is the first
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year you teach him without Delhi that is,
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put it Look at empty ceiling
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that's all he will get used to you will
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love the empty ceiling he wo
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n't be able to study anymore and if you
00:24:03
satisfy his thirst for knowledge like that
00:24:06
So stop stop stop here Imagine
00:24:09
people are listening to our program right now They
00:24:12
missed this golden time When can
00:24:15
a child be taught to a child 5 years 7 years 12 years
00:24:19
what can these parents do now
00:24:22
what can they change in their approach to
00:24:24
upbringing to education? The best thing
00:24:27
to do is to take our ready-made
00:24:29
recommendations that have already been
00:24:32
formulated based on communication with
00:24:33
parents over many years Yes, they exist before
00:24:36
3 years up to 5 years up to 7 years Yes, it’s called
00:24:40
Elite, that is, up to 3 years we are preparing, as it were, the
00:24:42
elite of society, up to 5 years, this is already a golden
00:24:46
fund of society, as you say, these are people
00:24:48
who know how to manage and
00:24:51
do business, and so on. That is,
00:24:52
entrepreneurship to develop the country and
00:24:55
the program for up to 7 years is our president,
00:24:58
this is already to run the country and already know
00:25:00
everything, there are many languages ​​included in it,
00:25:03
because children really love to master languages, they
00:25:06
really love some 10 to 15 languages,
00:25:08
we give 20 languages, so we recommend Yes, by
00:25:12
mastering languages, they master geography,
00:25:14
culture, science everything in these countries. That is, they are
00:25:16
interested in just remembering; they
00:25:18
remember everything; the method is very
00:25:21
simple; it is described; it has been tested using a
00:25:24
lot of historical data;
00:25:27
for example, according to our estimates, the Papuans
00:25:30
there know up to 12 languages ​​by the age of five,
00:25:32
some of some trees. Here you have the
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Papuans, because there are different islands,
00:25:36
each island has its own language and they have
00:25:39
about 30,000 islands, so there is the
00:25:42
largest number of languages ​​on these
00:25:44
islands, there are thousands of languages, can you imagine?
00:25:46
Yes, there are thousands of them somewhere in the whole world, and it’s
00:25:48
customary for them to take wives,
00:25:51
so to speak, from other islands
00:25:53
Naturally, they all speak different languages.
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If there are several
00:25:56
neighbors from different islands in the village, you understand that
00:25:59
we counted about 12, there are 10-12 languages
00:26:01
a child should know and he knows
00:26:03
because they communicate with each other; children with
00:26:05
different languages ​​are all the same for them but
00:26:07
well, why did
00:26:09
n’t the Papuans rush forward in civilization or did
00:26:12
they have friends Mouths They lived there on these
00:26:14
islands What kind of civilization was there they communicated there they
00:26:17
fished their
00:26:19
octopuses That’s another thing, for example, at the
00:26:22
UN at the UN When the UN first met
00:26:26
it was necessary to raise children and
00:26:28
kindergartens were created there in which
00:26:31
mathematics was taught by a German woman,
00:26:34
literature was taught there by a French woman, and so on there
00:26:37
were no teachers and they got
00:26:38
children with five languages, but in the first
00:26:41
kindergartens it was, but I want to say the most
00:26:43
important thing. That’s how you should be The fact is
00:26:47
that in the management system of humanity
00:26:50
there are Six levels, this is the highest
00:26:51
level, this is just the upbringing of children,
00:26:54
this is pedagogy, there is such a phrase as you want
00:26:56
to defeat your
00:26:58
upbringing. Yes, this is the very first level, and
00:27:01
then there is the historical level, then
00:27:04
there is the political level, these are all the parties of
00:27:05
religion, and so on then there is
00:27:07
medical, there is military, the simplest.
00:27:10
Therefore, this level belongs to the
00:27:13
highest first priority, that
00:27:15
is, all politicians are economists, everything that
00:27:17
they do not do, if the problem is not solved
00:27:19
at the First level, then everything will be
00:27:22
taken away from society from the state, it
00:27:25
is clear. That is, if we want our
00:27:28
country to prosper, we now, first of all,
00:27:30
must educate our children,
00:27:32
educate, no, educate,
00:27:34
these are general words, they say absolutely nothing,
00:27:36
we need to raise
00:27:38
competitive children, these are words,
00:27:40
even by the way, President
00:27:42
Putin is competitive with whom I
00:27:45
want to say that Vasya will be stronger than
00:27:48
sha no no in other countries This is exactly what
00:27:51
they do in England in the USA and so on
00:27:56
means Well, here are the main things I want to
00:27:58
say. In Jewish pedagogy, they
00:28:00
begin to teach and educate from the very
00:28:03
conception, the mother begins, then the father
00:28:05
joins in on the sixth day after
00:28:08
birth. That is it turns out He begins to
00:28:10
teach reading politics and so on and
00:28:12
so forth dad begins and is obliged to
00:28:14
do this every week without fail plus
00:28:16
during the day he also reminds with some
00:28:18
phrases there about teaching. That is,
00:28:20
it turns out that starting at the age of 7 we teach children,
00:28:23
we are 7 years behind, that is, we everyone in
00:28:25
Russia is Semigor, everything is absolutely And
00:28:28
in the field of humanities they begin
00:28:31
to teach us, I myself am a humanist, they begin to
00:28:33
teach us at the age of 17, that is, we are
00:28:35
seventeen years old for 17 years, each of our
00:28:38
humanities specialists is a higher specialist with a higher
00:28:41
education, he gets up to 17 years old, that’s
00:28:44
what such a competitive ability we
00:28:45
must be equal dear radio listeners
00:28:48
We work live This is a program of
00:28:50
public interest presenter Tatyana Fedyaeva
00:28:52
sound engineer Alexander Radin and in our studio
00:28:55
we have Pavel Viktorovich Tyulenev,
00:28:58
vice-president of the People's Academy of Sciences and
00:29:00
president of the Academy of Education and
00:29:03
Socio-Economic Development and
00:29:05
author of the
00:29:07
methodology teaching a person to read before
00:29:10
walking is very interesting, but only to
00:29:13
read but also to count, it is necessary to count
00:29:15
and know the notes and to undertake and control
00:29:18
before walking than to walk Well, in general,
00:29:21
all this was tested in the first year of the Second World War,
00:29:24
everything means you can ask your
00:29:26
questions 629 0873 Moscow code 495 And most
00:29:32
importantly, as far as I understand, Pavel
00:29:34
Viktorovich’s goal is not for us to have 1D 10
00:29:38
or 100 children so smart, smart,
00:29:40
but for our entire society to change and
00:29:42
only then can we come to
00:29:45
something big and bright, we have a call,
00:29:47
please say Hello Hello
00:29:50
Vasilna You know the time has come when
00:29:53
everyone, like their own ZhT, proclaims that
00:29:58
something is
00:29:59
special, you know there were and are many gifted and
00:30:02
brilliant people, and there are many where there is
00:30:05
a conversation about conscience, education of
00:30:07
responsibility, firstly, without the Faith
00:30:10
of Orthodoxy, you will not do it at all, and
00:30:13
where does Suvorov fit into your system?
00:30:16
Sergei Radonezhsky, who
00:30:18
was not given a science degree. Forgive me, thank you, thank you.
00:30:21
Svetlana Vasilievna, they directly removed the question
00:30:23
of language. Thank you very much, please, Pavel
00:30:26
Viktorovich. The fact is that we
00:30:29
are constantly faced with this question, to
00:30:32
me personally, and
00:30:35
Orthodox Christians,
00:30:36
Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists are turning to our system and even
00:30:42
various sectarians. We all cannot
00:30:44
refuse anyone, and we, in general,
00:30:47
examined this issue in great detail. So we
00:30:49
came to an interesting discovery, we
00:30:51
discovered that Christianity arose,
00:30:54
uh, as a result of the activities of the
00:30:57
first people's academy, that's what I call
00:31:00
this Academy, the first it arose
00:31:04
2050 250 years BC and existed
00:31:08
before the coming of Jesus Christ for 250 years. And
00:31:12
by the way, it turned out
00:31:15
that Jesus Christ himself was baptized there,
00:31:18
was brought up there and studied there, and there
00:31:20
is a lot of evidence in the gospel, direct
00:31:23
texts that he came from the desert, went into the
00:31:25
desert and here
00:31:28
in the first Sermon on the Mount is the First
00:31:30
Commandment Blessed Poor in Spirit remember
00:31:33
yes, in fact, we translated this phrase
00:31:35
so blessed are these
00:31:40
essayists and these commandments were
00:31:44
written down 2,000 years ago there in this
00:31:48
community and Jesus Christ voiced them and
00:31:52
in 1947 they found about 30,000 manuscripts of
00:31:57
scrolls and fragments on the shores of the Dead
00:31:59
Sea to the community where Jesus Christ was baptized
00:32:01
and this speaks about the World Cup. This speaks of the
00:32:04
fact
00:32:05
that this is the first People's Academy. Yes, this is
00:32:08
its methodology. Christians are called
00:32:11
they are proto-Christians. Their official
00:32:13
name is beggars. Yes, they were called because
00:32:15
they abandoned this material
00:32:17
acquisitiveness and so on, and they brought
00:32:20
Enlightenment, education to people then and
00:32:22
Jesus and conscience Yes, light should be translated
00:32:25
as Enlightenment and so on, and the Kingdom of
00:32:29
Heaven, by the way, when we dug, we
00:32:32
found two versions of the charter of the Kingdom
00:32:35
of Heaven. among the proto-
00:32:39
Christians who baptized Jesus Christ,
00:32:42
moreover, we found a copper
00:32:44
scroll there, a copper scroll, it was classified and
00:32:47
there, about a large amount of gold and
00:32:49
silver was collected in order to
00:32:51
make this intellectual
00:32:52
revolution 2,000 years ago, you can
00:32:54
go to the Internet Dead Sea Scrolls it’s
00:32:58
all described there and there are photographs and
00:33:00
all the experts agree on one thing for
00:33:02
50 years now, almost the entire history
00:33:05
of religion and so on should be
00:33:07
revised, and proto-Christians,
00:33:10
these Christianities act as a
00:33:11
unifier, a religion that brings
00:33:14
knowledge to everyone, Enlightenment to everyone, light to everyone.
00:33:18
But to Unfortunately, other religions are
00:33:21
engaged in sort of dividing the understanding.
00:33:23
It is clear We still have a call, say we
00:33:25
are listening to you. Good afternoon. This is Alexander
00:33:27
Ivanovich Moscow. I have two questions. The
00:33:30
first question from the guest means the first question is
00:33:33
this. I would like to return to
00:33:36
Tatyana Stepanovna’s question from you, from which you are so
00:33:38
clever dodged in the style of
00:33:42
Deputy Fedorov What is the fate of these
00:33:44
children in adulthood? Well, a few
00:33:47
specific ones, preferably more examples,
00:33:49
and the second question. Personally, from
00:33:52
me, in general, Russian and normal
00:33:56
education sets the goal of raising a
00:33:58
person and not a literate,
00:34:00
know-it-all who will run away somewhere at any moment.
00:34:04
the ocean will work for the
00:34:06
CIA and the most important thing for him is
00:34:10
to get comfortable in this life and
00:34:12
find a country with the most comfortable and
00:34:15
high level of consumption, excellent.
00:34:18
Thank you Alexander Ivanovich, this means so
00:34:21
that our gifted,
00:34:23
talented, developed children do not run away, as
00:34:26
you say,
00:34:27
we have planned the creation of about 100
00:34:29
organizations with parents where
00:34:32
we invite these children as directors and
00:34:35
employees of the center, what kind of children
00:34:37
we will raise who are
00:34:40
being raised by our parents in Russia, that
00:34:42
is, we immediately outline where these
00:34:45
children will work and the parents they
00:34:47
plan so that it is in the interests of
00:34:51
seven there is no other I don’t see a way out
00:34:54
because otherwise these children will be transferred,
00:34:57
and the second most destructive
00:35:00
activity of the SRO is the creation of
00:35:02
various sects and they are in this case near Nara,
00:35:05
these are all the numerous sects that
00:35:07
we have in Russia that take away
00:35:09
our children and often take away adults
00:35:12
this is all the activity of the fruits of the activity
00:35:13
Well, graduate students, I would say
00:35:16
all sorts of special services and look, wait, I
00:35:19
want to answer this question so that
00:35:20
there is no further And here we have one of the
00:35:22
methods there is
00:35:25
a method that is, for each child, if
00:35:28
the parent wants, we can
00:35:30
prepare as the founder of future
00:35:33
religions in order to oh second in
00:35:36
order to counter the
00:35:38
destructive activities of the CIA with a dream, yes That’s
00:35:40
how he says yes, our
00:35:43
activities, accordingly, they will allow
00:35:45
us to introduce some religions and about
00:35:48
aliens and about all sorts of uh, there are
00:35:52
Satanists and so on, our children, so
00:35:55
that the answer is symmetrical, must also
00:35:57
be able to do this and when they master it, well,
00:36:00
that is, be prepared for reflection,
00:36:02
yes, otherwise it will be a game in the Day of the Gate
00:36:05
and in particular, it’s great Children play
00:36:08
read, firstly they are read there
00:36:10
by 300 pages before lunch Yes, and the Bible,
00:36:13
the Bible Yes, and the Bible has many books. They
00:36:15
read it very well and know the Koran and
00:36:18
other books. So, I want to say what we
00:36:21
are doing so that they understand what
00:36:24
morality, ethics, morality, and so on.
00:36:27
They read the first sources and play
00:36:30
between
00:36:32
are the corresponding role-playing games
00:36:34
Viktorovich, Alexander Ivanovich already understood this
00:36:36
and I understood. So you tell me to immediately
00:36:39
prepare 40 million such people, we won’t
00:36:42
be able to wait, wait, wait,
00:36:45
we can, you’ve prepared a lot in your
00:36:47
life, you’re now about 60, how many have you
00:36:50
prepared such people,
00:36:53
wait, wait Go to the Internet,
00:36:54
type early development, I’ll go on the
00:36:57
Internet to see where early development is
00:36:58
because I go out into the street and I see standing there
00:37:01
spitting, standing there swearing,
00:37:03
standing there drinking beer, you know, and when these
00:37:07
kids are talented, smart, whom you
00:37:09
prepared, you prepared Nikitin
00:37:13
Shatalov Shchetinin and so on further and so on,
00:37:16
these children find themselves in this environment, they can
00:37:19
either dissolve or run away closing their
00:37:21
eyes or something else.
00:37:24
What can the state do? Should
00:37:26
it do this or is it only the task of us,
00:37:29
parents, grandparents, and so on?
00:37:32
This is what I need to do I really liked
00:37:35
Alexander Ivanovich’s question How to educate an
00:37:37
illiterate know-it-all And a
00:37:41
person is a person, well, we have the concept of a
00:37:46
developed person Let’s specifically say a
00:37:48
developed person who is familiar with
00:37:51
all religions and knows why he is
00:37:54
studying;
00:37:57
our main goal is for him to be able to
00:38:01
optimally develop his country Russia
00:38:04
and so that there is morality and
00:38:06
morality here so that it doesn’t happen that
00:38:07
now the West and this
00:38:11
world government is falling on us. The so-called is
00:38:14
palming us off with various values, I understand
00:38:17
yet. After all, no one has repealed the Tram
00:38:19
Law, remember the Tram Law, keep
00:38:21
your head down, and these children, these people, now he
00:38:24
has grown up. to
00:38:27
this, well, he will
00:38:31
rise very high above the general level, and you know,
00:38:35
grayness always has a desire for the other
00:38:37
to be just as Gray and that means to destroy
00:38:41
Well, we all understand We see what is
00:38:43
happening Yes, there is some kind of
00:38:45
immunity from this or immunity
00:38:49
or to anticipate these events for us, what
00:38:52
can we do? Well, you know, here’s the
00:38:54
simplest recommendation that I
00:38:57
gave to the princes, which means getting the first
00:39:00
education - This is
00:39:01
financial and economic, the second is
00:39:03
legal, and the second is pedagogical and
00:39:05
psychological, so that no one can
00:39:07
approach this child. Well, that means if
00:39:09
at the age of 10 he already enters a university, then
00:39:12
after 3 years he has his first education; at the
00:39:14
age of 14, he already has a pedagogical
00:39:16
psychological education. Yes,
00:39:19
no one will approach him on a crooked mare. That
00:39:21
is, if a psychologist comes up,
00:39:23
he will also call him his name will put
00:39:26
in place the third education - this is
00:39:27
legal. It is mandatory that if someone
00:39:30
says something about him on the radio on
00:39:31
television, he will not simply sue him, a
00:39:33
lawyer, that is, the third education is
00:39:35
legal, the fourth is possible
00:39:37
on purpose or is it languages ​​Well, they
00:39:39
generally master languages ​​by themselves But
00:39:41
then there is a programmer
00:39:43
there, a nanotechnologist and a Gehenna engineer, and so
00:39:47
on, here are four educations - This is at
00:39:48
least up to the age of 17, a child should
00:39:52
receive this according to our standards and he will
00:39:54
always protect himself, and this social
00:39:57
adaptation and which you say we
00:40:00
begin somewhere Well from the age of two you can
00:40:02
look at this somewhere, no, well,
00:40:04
look, well, well, well, well, well, I want to
00:40:07
see how it is, I want to see this
00:40:09
person, I want to say, how, yes,
00:40:11
first of all, uh, since 2003, when we
00:40:15
showed such children when we
00:40:16
discovered that many media falsify
00:40:20
the same filming that we are doing, that
00:40:22
is, when they show the line, they
00:40:25
will hide the first frame in the taiga or something like
00:40:27
that Why No you with your parents Who
00:40:29
wants parents They show their
00:40:31
children you see them on television And who does
00:40:34
n’t want why I don’t want to go on television
00:40:36
I want to come and watch, you
00:40:38
say that he is falsifying no
00:40:40
Invite to the radio whoever agrees from the
00:40:42
parent I invite everything with you
00:40:44
then I will come we have another call please
00:40:47
speak up we
00:40:48
are listening to you we are listening to you
00:40:51
Speak Well we are filming everything call dear
00:40:54
radio listeners when you call Well,
00:40:56
firstly, away from the receiver, secondly,
00:40:58
we say your name Where are you from and then
00:41:01
we formulate the question in the meantime, for now we have a
00:41:04
pause
00:41:06
now where you can learn the techniques of
00:41:09
accelerated development and what courses are there
00:41:11
or what is and where management practice is
00:41:16
interspersed with concept with a clear
00:41:18
theory, just write down the name
00:41:21
of which the program has been in effect for almost 10-15 years for
00:41:23
every family of gifted children,
00:41:26
this is the
00:41:27
program for gifted dash gifted children,
00:41:30
now it is modified for every family
00:41:33
dash six gifted and talented
00:41:35
children, this is our goal because demographers
00:41:38
said that if will not be Well, on average
00:41:41
in our country there are six children in a family Russia
00:41:44
will not be on the map remember this is
00:41:46
why we are now We are doing this program for
00:41:48
every family of six gifted and
00:41:50
talented children Write down by
00:41:53
combination you will find register
00:41:54
everything we know
00:41:58
call us please
00:42:00
speak hello hello this is
00:42:03
Vera Mikhailovna from Moscow
00:42:06
Please tell me who will teach children From
00:42:09
such a young age the kindness of love and
00:42:13
mutual assistance before, when we studied in the
00:42:16
class, they didn’t understand that these were excellent students and
00:42:18
non-excellent students, everyone studied in the same class
00:42:20
and the excellent students helped the non-excellent students and this
00:42:24
was
00:42:25
developed Now we need elite children As
00:42:29
they say, to educate the CIA to
00:42:33
put everyone in order and then that’s clear,
00:42:36
thank you Vera Mikhailovna, the fact is
00:42:38
that our system is designed specifically for the
00:42:40
poorest, needy, and so on.
00:42:43
First of all, it is, first of all, it is
00:42:45
massive and naturally based on the kindness of love
00:42:48
and Mutual assistance must be taught in the family. In a
00:42:50
large family, let there be at least three. Well,
00:42:53
not six. And there will always be help. There will
00:42:56
always be mutual assistance, and
00:42:59
since Boris Pavlovich Nikitin,
00:43:01
we consider his works. How to say League is a
00:43:04
zero level, so to speak, definitely
00:43:06
You should read them, look
00:43:08
here there were seven children and there,
00:43:10
this system of
00:43:12
mutual assistance
00:43:14
supporting the love of Friendship It is so
00:43:17
well shown and therefore we send everyone to
00:43:20
Boris Pavlovich Nikitin and Elena
00:43:23
Alekseevna, and in their family all this was
00:43:26
realized back in 6 I wonder how the
00:43:28
fate of these children turned out, I want to
00:43:31
say that everything healthy, no one smokes, no
00:43:33
one drinks, that’s what’s most important: everyone
00:43:36
works independently and does whatever
00:43:39
they want, and I think the most important thing is that they all
00:43:41
have many children, but they all have up to
00:43:43
eight children in their families, can you imagine? Yes, that
00:43:45
is,
00:43:47
even yes, and the most important thing is that this is the people are
00:43:50
absolutely all gifted, all talented
00:43:53
and all free, they think so freely
00:43:56
that this is a dream And by the way, in my opinion, no one
00:43:59
went abroad No no of course And they are
00:44:02
all patriots of their country and
00:44:05
well I think that we need to learn everything from
00:44:09
them So we need to start from them, like
00:44:12
love, kindness and mutual assistance, and
00:44:15
m in general, the organization of the family, such a
00:44:20
large family, this problem
00:44:21
of demography, in fact, it was solved.
00:44:23
Kitty is interestingly sown, that is, health. You
00:44:27
remember that the program Childhood, a
00:44:29
childhood without illnesses is his Yes, this is a
00:44:31
whole book published by him how they
00:44:34
refused vaccinations, many don’t, well, I
00:44:37
remember how they said, remember that from the
00:44:40
first minutes it is necessary for the child to be
00:44:42
put to the mother’s breast Yes, now this is
00:44:44
the norm before, they have
00:44:48
endured a lot because of this, because of their
00:44:50
progressive ones, now the whole world is following
00:44:53
in the footsteps of the Nikitins, here is shata If you know,
00:44:57
he also developed an excellent system and methods
00:45:02
then, and for example, he reduced the time required for
00:45:05
mastering excellent mathematics by five
00:45:08
times, then now he reduced it by 10
00:45:10
more. No, we won’t let my question be given to
00:45:13
the listener. Please speak, we are
00:45:17
listening, first of all, this is the program just by the
00:45:20
race and line of childhood of children.
00:45:24
Religion does not stand up to any criticism.
00:45:27
But even if we assume that these were like this before the
00:45:29
Nativity of Christ, then yes, the
00:45:31
antediluvian humanity was high
00:45:34
-tech, yeah, I understand, thank you.
00:45:36
We’ve already touched on this topic, we touched on it a little,
00:45:39
let’s still have it questions
00:45:42
and here are the ones sent to us Question
00:45:44
what forms of dissemination of your theory of
00:45:47
early and or intensive development
00:45:50
can you offer
00:45:52
to the state we
00:45:54
offered to Ria Here is the first option, the
00:45:57
simplest - this is
00:46:18
demonopolization and the usual And then
00:46:21
we’ll see how to develop it from the very conception
00:46:23
Here she is pregnant Here she
00:46:24
goes to work,
00:46:27
then ula business Tom, in our system the world is in
00:46:30
our system. We have a so-called class
00:46:32
of worlds, these are the classes of the most active
00:46:36
intellectually formative activity.
00:46:38
From the moment of conception to birth, a
00:46:42
child goes through two conditionally these
00:46:44
classes of the world. The first is emotional
00:46:46
development, the formation of emotional
00:46:47
matrix structure matrix is ​​up to 4
00:46:50
months when everything the mother consumes
00:46:54
smokes or does not smoke drinks or does not drink or
00:46:56
what food she consumes and where she looks
00:46:58
at what positive or non-
00:47:00
negative images This is how the
00:47:02
emotional structure of the unborn child is formed
00:47:04
listen there was a war, they were shooting and
00:47:07
there were shells making noise everything was thundering, it was
00:47:10
scary, why did
00:47:13
wonderful people come from there? Well, no, the
00:47:15
point is that, first of all, they weren’t
00:47:18
looking here. There they were on Raphael at that time,
00:47:20
no, well, pregnant women are one thing in war;
00:47:23
they’re another thing; they were in the rear, they were digging potatoes,
00:47:26
they were walking, they were digging. trenches and so on Well, it
00:47:29
was still correct emotionally,
00:47:31
this is not informational. And you are
00:47:33
already talking about informational, then there is a
00:47:35
sound problem; starting from the first months of
00:47:39
pregnancy, the child already has a hearing
00:47:41
aid, which is the same as ours, and he
00:47:43
perceives all sounds at this time we
00:47:45
recommend already teaching uh Well, not
00:47:49
only we and the Jews have been teaching
00:47:52
certain songs and sounds and
00:47:56
prayers there for 3,000 years and so on. All this
00:47:58
the child hears when he is born is
00:48:00
enough for him to repeat this, he
00:48:02
will remember all this if it is not repeated uh here
00:48:05
is proven such neurophysiological
00:48:07
studies that neurons, if we do not
00:48:10
recall what happened at the stage of
00:48:12
pregnancy, that is, within 4 months,
00:48:13
they die by about 30%, the
00:48:16
number of neurons in the child’s
00:48:18
brain is reduced if we do not repeat what he
00:48:20
heard before birth Well, you have examples
00:48:23
when Well, here’s how it happened
00:48:26
For example, I
00:48:28
recommended that mothers listen to this, for example,
00:48:32
Evgenia Negin read Yes, so that the child
00:48:35
listens to Mika and rhythm, here are some of the
00:48:38
classics, they listen to Yes I recommend
00:48:41
listening to songs and when the child is born if
00:48:43
this Repeat he smiles and is happy He
00:48:45
remembers what he heard and then he
00:48:47
begins to speak He can speak to you in poetry,
00:48:49
everything is fine, we will smile and be
00:48:51
happy if we hear you next
00:48:53
time And if you and I talk,
00:48:56
among other things, not about individual education, about the
00:48:59
education of the entire people, about the
00:49:02
possibilities of education and so as not
00:49:04
just so that he is smart And so that he is
00:49:06
kind, so that he is responsible, so that
00:49:09
he is a real man of his country
00:49:11
And now if we succeed, we will listen to
00:49:14
Griboyedov’s roller, he wrote at 14 or
00:49:16
at what age Alexander Sergeevich
00:49:18
Griboyedov don’t remember This is where already when
00:49:22
absolutely Oh this it will be wonderful And
00:49:26
today I took part in the program of People's Interest
00:49:28
worked Pavel
00:49:30
Viktorovich Tyulenev, vice-president of the
00:49:32
People's Academy of Sciences and president of the
00:49:35
Academy of Education and
00:49:36
Socio-Economic Development hosted the
00:49:38
program I Tatyana Fedyaeva all the
00:49:41
best to everyone Goodbye

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