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My greetings, friends, my name is Yanina
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Sokolova and you are watching Rendeva. Thank you for
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your activity on the Internet. Thank you for
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social networks on YouTube. Spread
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viewers as possible. And subscribe to our
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resources if you have not already done so
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today at guest, a person who has been there for a
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long time did not dare to honestly
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tell you to write to call when they found out
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that they and their brother were
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blown up by a landmine. I was shocked, I
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called his brother Massa, because in one of
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those who more than once offered me to defend
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in court in relation to many of our investigations
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and films of various Yermaks and the like,
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Wagnergate, well, there are many cases, and he was the
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first. One of the first to write and
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offer protection, now this person
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lost an eye due to a mine explosion, has a
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problem with his
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internal organs and
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has changed externally. Now he will tell you all about it
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himself, but I I will say that this is not the mass
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and when I read his biography I
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realized that many of you probably do not
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know about the mass and what they do know. Now I
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will share massively. He was born in the
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city of Kabul. He is 37 years old in Afghanistan. He is an
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ethnic Pashtun - he is an Afghan. His mother's native language
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was Dari. a mathematics teacher
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died 10 days after the birth of persons
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father Deputy Minister of Education
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of Afghanistan in the 86th year older brother Do you
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know him Mustafa Nayem
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ex-deputy ex-director general of
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Ukroboronprom younger sister artist
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Mariam Latifa naem high-profile cases In
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which masses was
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protection for Serhiy Sternenka defense
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for Helleras in the case of Yarmak film,
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lawyer of the witnesses of Kateryna Handzyuk
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in the case of the investigation of her murder, protection of the
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interests of the art club closer in the case of
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searches, lawyer of Ulyana Suprun, lawyer of the
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Ukrainian journalist Denys Bigus,
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also defended a number of Ukrainian
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veterans of the Russian-Ukrainian war.
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Now we are all in the hospital and I'm in Kyiv, he's in
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the Dnipro, and I'm ready to say hello to him. I'm extremely glad to
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see you.
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Glory to Ukraine and I'm extremely happy that
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you're a living hero. Glory. I'm also happy that I'm
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alive even in this form. I did
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not dare to write
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to him, knowing how many people
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write there, I only commented on
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some of his posts on Facebook or my own post when
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it all happened and I was talking to my brother Massi.
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But luckily, the Messiah now has the opportunity to
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talk to us. He is in a good mood.
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Although, as you can see, without an eye and more Well, with a
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certain number of injuries Tell me Please tell me you
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understand that male warriors do not
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complain about their scratches But
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nevertheless, tell me In what condition are you now,
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information appeared that you may still
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need one operation, what are you doing right now,
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and first-hand, which one it was you who received the injury,
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we know that it was a mine - we know that
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it was not a Russian mine, so let's start
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with the fact that you blew yourself up on a mine. It
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was in the Donetsk region near the lemon,
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uh, we had our own combat task and
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during its execution
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for under certain circumstances, we blew up a mine,
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these are the circumstances of the investigation, which
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will show the details, but in general, one of our people
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died on the spot. My friend Sasha, he is also
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still in the hospital, he is in a rather
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difficult condition, I believe that he
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will recover, well, actually,
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what about me? Well and only the eye is gone
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[music]
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a splinter broke my bone and there is
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a little bit of bone, glass is now put in
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Titan, here it is, it is in such a
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situation that
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air is getting into the brain, and the doctors are dealing with this right now.
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redo
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the operation completely or do an operation with
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it to
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stop the remaining of this air and
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they will do this and this
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bone, they will put exactly such a condition,
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in general, the head hurts, it hurts for the
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seventh week, then in principle I
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almost do not pay attention to it, and if there is no
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smell, it is very it's important because I've
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started looking after my dog ​​a little over the years,
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people have started to pay attention to it, so I basically hope that he
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will pray the smell, but let's see, yes, it
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happened to you on mine, you wrote about it
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that she is not Russian and I would
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like now to draw the attention of
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viewers and soldiers who watch this
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broadcast to the situation with landmines that
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happen on the way of our soldiers,
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you wrote a separate post about it, and I heard it
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in an interview, it was definitely a Russian mine,
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because at that time the Russians did not
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go there. who put it for what
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purpose, why didn't they warn you, everything will be
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investigated over time. It will be clear.
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When we approach and the
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Russian military detonates these mines, it's good.
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When we leave and certain problems
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arise with us, it's bad. I think that
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war is a competition of mistakes, who
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will make more mistakes? the one who
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loses faster, you can explain to our
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military viewers, who are now watching every
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broadcast, this is a public space. Well, how to
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fix this process with
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your eyes from your position and
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experience. First of all, there are certain procedures that are
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now neglected due to lack of time and the very fast
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pace of military operations.
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that is, when these
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maps are applied, they must first be
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applied when mines are placed, this should be the
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case, if this were to happen and the exchange of this
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information would be sufficiently protected and
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fast, it is clear that the military,
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well, probably
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avoid the fact that they are our military,
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so that they blow up on these Minah, there is a separate
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issue of the fact that communication in the
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army in general needs to be improved. It should be, I would
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say so. Maybe there is a culture
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of communication because there are a lot of different
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units and
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let’s be honest, we still have some
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competition between them and I would like
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this competition not to be the goal at all
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would be a factor that is affected by the exchange of
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information
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during hostilities can explain what
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you call competition among themselves and
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how it has a negative effect, well,
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give some simple example of a nameless surname, for example, when
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information is not exchanged
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with units entering the same
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area work
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and this is for the exchange of information. It’s just that
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if you don’t take into account some
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small structures in the context of the whole of
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Ukraine, then
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these people are becoming fewer. I’m not
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saying this to scare you.
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I just need
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some information that is available in the unit.
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I think that this is such a strong argument in
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order to become many times better than the
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Russians. The Russian army is about
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communication.
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Min
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somehow it happened that someone there
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deliberately left the
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cards that we exchanged, they did not have this
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information
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Well, unfortunately, we have what we have and now the
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problem is even that I
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or my brothers there were injured, at least this is a big
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problem, the problem is that there are personnel it is
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impossible to mobilize these cadres, it is necessary to
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train them Time is money and it is
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not two months for those people They do not read in
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two months there, that is why people study for
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several years and complete successful
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tasks It
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makes sense that we need
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to have better communication in order to avoid our
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own mistakes in which we
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have committed, again, this is to
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attack the army. It is just a fact that there are
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problems. It must be solved. I want to draw the
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attention of the audience to your reaction
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to the events that happened to the people of Volynyv and the
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history of the cancellation of e it all killed us a bit.
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Well, there for two days. That's right.
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Then it caused hatred, then
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aggression, then
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to understand what to do next, the people of Azov
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made an appeal that
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all those involved in the terrorist attack, the
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people of Volyniv, and the torture of our
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soldiers, will be punished.
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Russia
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carried it out with impunity, they
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are used to the fact that no one will bring them to
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justice even for openly
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violating the laws of customs and the rules of
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the introduction of war, therefore we Azov Ukraine as a
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state and the whole civilized world
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will give a painful rebuff so that Russia remembers this once
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and for all I want to
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read now your post and he you also
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look quite contrasting against the background of the
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rage and hatred that pours from us and
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this is normal because it is impossible to respond to it
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with kindness, why do we respond to
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the torture of the Russian
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military in Sinai,
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listen, for what if it is in
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response to their atrocities, then in I have
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bad news. In fact, the Russians are dictating
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to you what to do. The war is so that we live in
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Ukraine and the Russians did not tell us how to
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live and when it is possible to criticize the government and
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when not. The war against the Russian government in
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Ukraine is because we have different values ​​and different
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visions of both the past and the future. and
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below are the words of the young grandmaster at that time,
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James White Black, who
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answered the question what exactly he
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likes in the game of chess like this: I
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like to dictate to my opponent what
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he should do. the
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world with the savages of Eritrea It's not about
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weakness, it's about Strength, that's what you said. I don't
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know what to call
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those who do this to people, and I'm not
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sure. I'll tell you frankly that in five
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or 10 years, especially after this war,
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which we have the Russians will have a hint of
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becoming a civilization and I don't think it's in our
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hands to change anything Why are you so sure
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that we shouldn't do the same with them
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or just not take them prisoner and kill them immediately
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I think that everything should start from the moment
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when the war started
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all of our history is the experience of humanity, we
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preserve it in stories, we tell about
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these beastly situations, for what purpose I
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always believed that history, that all our
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experience is designed to make sure that new
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generations do not become warriors.
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And when this happens, when war happens,
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it does things that are very it is difficult
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to change later,
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in fact, once Putin was born somewhere there.
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He lived,
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acquired some knowledge,
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tried to liberate history
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in such and such a way so
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that
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his society
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would agree to those atrocities.
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I want us to
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remember again what we are fighting for,
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what we want. I want
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my children to be born in this country, live here, and that
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my son will never
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have to go to war in the future.
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and in the same way now
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it is happening in Ukraine and you know it changes not
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only me and it not only takes time away from
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us. a
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certain number of
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generations of people grew up without enough
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information about what war is in order to
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protect peace from it. Therefore, now when are we
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going to resort to it? If someone suggests
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resorting to non-Russian origin with
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captives, then I have a question, well, that is, in
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fact, what forces us to do it Who is
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Russia with its uncivil behavior?
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Please tell me if we speak
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Russian. No, we are running away from it.
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We say that we want to speak
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Russian because it is our culture, it is our
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identity, why the moment when Russia
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tells us it will be up
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to the people, we agree on that.
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He does What
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we want to reflect, well, they will decide, we do
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n't want to reflect. Some people suggest that I consider
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this a false story, because I
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want the government of
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Ukraine, Ukrainians, with our values ​​to be projected onto us, and
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we know the values ​​perfectly well. We understand
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that a person, if I was at war, would see
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how
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this the guy in the hat
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was torturing our people, he should have been
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killed, it’s not at all, well, that is, it’s not a
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debate whether to kill him or not, he
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should be killed in order to stop the
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suffering of our people. And when he was
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captured, that’s why we are now not alone with the
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Russians all the world helps us because the
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world is considered uncivilized
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there, torture it, cut it to pieces, do what
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they did, and we have to realize that
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if we do that, it is what Russia would like, the world
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will turn away from us, the world will say
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listen, we are for civilized methods of war
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in all civilized methods of war there are
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hymers, I'm there a bunch of other
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flats that help us defeat
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this evil without becoming this evil when you
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fight it's like in the bar when you
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fight with
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some illegal actions the police and
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the prosecutor's office you can't resort to the
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same actions it's wrong it's
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illogical as you know that today in
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Ukraine and for up to 4 years, we are probably broadcasting on Katya
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Handzyuk,
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and you know that many of us could
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think like this, you know, to think
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that we should do the same to those who
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did this, but this is not about
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civilized methods. I understand that emotions
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hurt, it is necessary to remember that these emotions were
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carefully created by a
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Russian. And it is only our choice whether to
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become beasts. You hear it in a civilized
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way despite these emotions, because you know that in
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Russia they know how to work with emotions very well. They
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taught people to be silent there,
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because people are afraid of yourself for your
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relatives And you know
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there is a whole technology with this I would not like
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us to start acting as
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Russia dictates to us, we have our own head on our
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shoulders And if this Kalmyk and those who abused
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our soldier What Well, he would be
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captured How would you act, if this person
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were captured by you with your
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comrades with your brigade?
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You know, I think that first of all, you should
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turn to the law, and there is
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international legislation,
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it is stipulated what should be done with
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these people, see why the law it exists
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because you and I have our own
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justice, well, the concept
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of justice may be different with you,
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you are right, if
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it was my brother, for example, I would probably want to
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do something very bad to this person, you
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If it is not your brother, you would it would be
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more or less humane to do it, but the
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legal question is precisely that there should be a
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balance that is preserved, if
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such damage is caused,
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such a punishment is actually necessary, everything is already recorded there
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so that your vision and my vision
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do not change the degree of punishment for that person,
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because we live by the rules, if we do
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n't live by the rules, we will become
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Russia. Then the question arises: What are we
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fighting
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for? This is the truth? So we had
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rules, and these rules are written in
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contracts, social contracts, these are laws,
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and that's why I don't want to live in Russia
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there. there is no social contract, it is
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violated by Russia all the time, then it’s okay, I
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want to go and live in Ukraine, I’m sure that
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our viewers and the team of our project will
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not happen. We want to live here, and
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many of our people who have gone abroad are
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forced to say that we are ready to sit under
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rockets, but be here we want to go home for
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various reasons, I want to quote
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you now, do you allow that after the war the
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state will once again be about Christianity. Next
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quote, it will be procrastination
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again. The state will make its mistakes again.
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This is a normal movement of society towards
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development. But I believe that after all
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this, even if there is procrastination, this
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will be a process from our people and from our
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acquaintances and relatives, and this is our job now to
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give them a new perspective on
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the state, well, first of all, I want to make the
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messiah a professional lawyer for the viewers.
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Accordingly, it seems to me that we are a little bit
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now our air, which is usually very
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emotional
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meanings and let's return to
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the situation if we remove the emotions from it, and
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to the situation in which we live, what do you
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think after the war? And in general, did the war
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change the
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positioning and
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ideology of striving for the laws of the state, that is,
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we recently had a statehood day,
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no one actually understood what it means,
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honestly I'll tell you Yes, but well, we all
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congratulated each other on the Day of Ukrainian
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Statehood, what kind of state could Ukraine
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be after the war? You're not Nostradamus, you
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can't ask what it will be like, I'm asking you
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What it can be and what conclusions we
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each have to make so that the
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percentage
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intensity of this procrastination was
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not so big as to cause harm You know
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how many times I thought about why my
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brother or I are sometimes
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quite reactive in the part when we
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see some justice in what
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What is our problem I understood that you know
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when you see a great injustice to
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small person, you understand that you yourself
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cannot fight the system, it is big
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enough, big evil can be, and you
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understand that you have to build a
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society around you that, together with you,
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will not wish, that is normal, that is, I see that
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in society we are We create meanings of
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behavior patterns some and It depends
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on me personally, on you, on
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our people, on each person, it depends on
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what kind of society his children will live in, that is why
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I believe, for example, the
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treatment of prisoners by Nulov, it
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has the following ways, the next steps. This is
00:22:04
not human treatment, it will
00:22:06
happen like this. the
00:22:08
militia that lives now
00:22:11
in Russia was approximately born. I want you to understand, that is, I
00:22:14
see that Ukraine will be even more
00:22:18
human because it is normal, we want to live in
00:22:20
such a society. We do not want to live in a
00:22:22
society when
00:22:23
the police rape people in police stations did
00:22:27
you understand that not only one
00:22:30
police force grabs it, the police are
00:22:33
sitting inside, that several of their accomplices are
00:22:37
their close relatives and so on And so on and
00:22:39
so on, after all, the whole
00:22:42
society allows it.
00:22:51
nothing
00:22:53
depends on me, that's what will be strong from
00:22:56
Russia, Russia is afraid of the people who will
00:22:59
realize that everything depends on them,
00:23:01
then the president is not because he is smart,
00:23:06
although he is smart, not because he is a great
00:23:09
evil, which is true, but because the
00:23:11
whole nation allowed him to do it people, so
00:23:15
now we have to grow up quickly,
00:23:18
there is really no time to grow up. This means
00:23:22
taking
00:23:24
responsibility and I see that
00:23:27
those people who
00:23:33
return from the war will have even more right
00:23:36
to ask the whole state. What about you
00:23:38
and this right in in principle, we were there even before
00:23:42
the war, it's just that we were not aware of it
00:23:45
Until you give something, you do
00:23:47
n't value what you get for the price, that's why I think
00:23:50
that Ukraine will definitely be a state in which there
00:23:53
will be a different society, even more
00:23:55
demanding of itself, but without complexes of
00:23:59
other values, that's why what have we proved in this
00:24:01
world that we can stop Russia and
00:24:04
why didn't he say a word About it I
00:24:07
asked you about the state and it is definitely cool and
00:24:10
I absolutely agree with you that within
00:24:12
this state the basis is civil
00:24:14
society, it is each of us and you But
00:24:17
maybe it's that too We decided it too We
00:24:21
I don't see any other in the state Well
00:24:24
let's go back to
00:24:25
Zelenskyi's history Was Zelenskyi a
00:24:27
hypocrite personnel officer No Was he a politician or did he have a
00:24:32
politician father No This is a guy who
00:24:34
did his favorite thing in
00:24:37
some at the moment he turned to the state and
00:24:38
said, Listen, I want to be a state, well,
00:24:42
people were
00:24:44
led by this, I don’t know, this is the story of the fact
00:24:47
that in our society it is possible, it is
00:24:49
not bad.
00:24:55
we
00:24:57
will allow it, it's our choice, that is,
00:25:01
who will be the next president, it's our
00:25:03
choice, there is no school, no secret
00:25:06
technologies, etc. And so on. I
00:25:17
worked somewhere. I don't know if it's true or not.
00:25:19
But nevertheless, the question is that this
00:25:22
guy knows that he is one of the people who
00:25:25
worked, came and decided that they
00:25:28
could be the government and they became the government, the
00:25:30
same story will continue with us. That is,
00:25:33
we are the Government This does not mean that
00:25:35
I will personally go to become the president, although
00:25:38
I do not see any problems why people who
00:25:41
return from the front cannot go and do this,
00:25:44
this is their right, they are now protecting,
00:25:48
let's be honest, as much land as much, well,
00:25:52
of course, as much as their own and
00:25:55
their loved ones, but also their institutions the state
00:25:58
system in Ukraine, i.e. how
00:26:01
people are elected, according to which system it happens
00:26:04
when we protect this political system
00:26:06
on this earth
00:26:09
and the state will be even more
00:26:12
transparent and responsible to
00:26:14
its society. Every time
00:26:17
the topic is actually raised and I see that
00:26:20
part of the audience writes to me in the comments,
00:26:22
especially people from Bakhmut, North Donetsk,
00:26:26
well, in general, from the East, from Donetsk,
00:26:28
Luhansk Oblast, Yanina, not everyone there is like the
00:26:31
ones you mention, not everyone is like you
00:26:34
showed the video from Mariupol with the songs A
00:26:37
white swan on a pond and Russian flags, but
00:26:39
now I will take the opportunity to say that
00:26:42
I intentionally bring up this topic
00:26:44
every time because I want
00:26:47
our guests, my guests, our guests to hear
00:26:52
your thoughts.
00:27:04
let's not close our eyes, let's open them, well,
00:27:06
this is a problem. I want to
00:27:09
talk about this topic to the masses now and then. I
00:27:11
mean the people in the East, we always said that
00:27:15
art is outside of politics and so on.
00:27:16
This will never happen again, and I see it
00:27:19
because there are lawyers there. mathematicians, physicists,
00:27:22
prosecutors, there are ordinary people there who
00:27:24
generally worked as treasurers and they
00:27:26
finally got involved. And I want to
00:27:29
win the war as soon as possible so that
00:27:32
fewer of our people die, who have changed
00:27:35
now, who can give an impetus to the new
00:27:37
Ukraine, so in my eyes, the East is a
00:27:41
moment in which Masino, a Ukrainian, is born.
00:27:43
I was surprised when I
00:27:45
read it, but I will say it again
00:27:48
today, and this will surely be the main theme of
00:27:50
our broadcast.
00:28:02
well, it’s
00:28:05
all about traitors, well, it’s a really difficult topic, we are
00:28:07
doubling our lands and our people, who
00:28:12
were under occupation for 8 years,
00:28:14
will return to our family again, and what to do with this? Tell me
00:28:18
exactly what we could
00:28:20
do before the war in 12 In the 11th year with the
00:28:25
Donetsk Luhansk we could
00:28:27
go there with those cool projects with
00:28:31
which we now exist in order for people
00:28:35
to be more Ukrainian. I will honestly say that I
00:28:39
know very little about Afghanistan. This is
00:28:41
my minus, and despite all this, I have
00:28:45
inner pride for the fact that I am from
00:28:47
Afghanistan and this story was built by
00:28:50
my parents, my parents, my
00:28:52
brother, the people who lived there with me, who communicate with me,
00:28:58
this is belonging to some nation, but
00:29:02
if it were not for this, I would not
00:29:05
care what happened to Afghanistan or
00:29:08
any other country, that is, these people
00:29:11
will return. They have the right to live here
00:29:15
and we have to work with them. This is our people,
00:29:18
with whom we have to work, explain
00:29:22
why if we don't do it, we will end up in
00:29:25
some
00:29:26
hinterlands of Russia. Where are the people, the summer
00:29:31
decided that they are elite enough to
00:29:32
quote, but not elite enough to go
00:29:36
to their people and talk to them there is
00:29:38
some kind of arrogance about this. I would like us to make a
00:29:42
mistake in any field. This is the way of
00:29:46
development. People who did not know anything about
00:29:50
Ukraine or listened to
00:29:53
Rosenbaum there, they are not enemies. They are not
00:29:56
enemies. The problem is that
00:29:58
history and politics that pressure
00:30:01
Ukrainian politics in order to suppress it,
00:30:03
it actually played its role. Here she is
00:30:07
a witness, we can realize this
00:30:11
mistake and understand what we should talk to
00:30:13
these people to bring their own back to us.
00:30:16
Because the more our people, the stronger the
00:30:18
nation because these Neanderthals are a little
00:30:22
more than us a big
00:30:24
problem, therefore, in my opinion, it is necessary to work with these
00:30:27
people, consider it part of
00:30:30
state policy. I don't know how I can be
00:30:33
such a ministry for working with people,
00:30:35
but it would be very cool because it would be a
00:30:39
story about the fact that we take care of
00:30:41
our people or Russia doesn't care about
00:30:45
his people, that's why they live like that. What do you
00:30:47
think, after we win back all these territories,
00:30:50
our
00:30:52
voting process and
00:30:54
giving them the right to vote should
00:30:57
happen immediately or should it take some
00:31:01
time while we recover the Ukrainians in the
00:31:05
occupied territories to Ukraine, so it's
00:31:08
kind of strange sounded But it is so, I
00:31:10
think that I think that there really should be a time,
00:31:12
maybe it will sound a little painful to
00:31:15
other people But it seems to me very
00:31:17
logical that people who are now
00:31:20
fighting for Ukraine
00:31:22
They have the right
00:31:25
Logically that they have the right to vote
00:31:26
those who are not fighting They too outside the law,
00:31:29
they have the right to vote, but agree, these are
00:31:32
different voices, I think that the
00:31:36
procedures of the states should be published in order to
00:31:39
understand who lives in
00:31:42
that territory, what kind of people these are, maybe it
00:31:45
will really take some time
00:31:47
to pass, you know how it is in the company, I
00:31:50
understand that when we
00:31:53
build certain rules of work are quite
00:31:56
logical to check whether people know these
00:31:59
laws or rules or not to test them because
00:32:02
if a person says that now you ask a
00:32:05
person who lives there in
00:32:08
Slavic, ask him who is the
00:32:11
president And what is the DBR And what do they
00:32:13
do And what are they like if a person she doesn't know about it, she doesn't
00:32:16
care where she lives.
00:32:19
Well, then we realized that a person,
00:32:22
well, unconsciously,
00:32:25
can she choose
00:32:28
according to the law? Can she choose how other
00:32:31
people live in this country?
00:32:42
only the voices of those who are aware of this are taken into account. You are
00:32:46
all of us. This is a very important
00:32:49
point.
00:32:50
The more you can manipulate
00:32:53
public opinion, the faster you can become a
00:32:57
politician in our country, but this
00:33:00
indicates that we must raise the
00:33:03
level of consciousness of citizens, this is the only
00:33:06
way to another state because then there
00:33:10
will be no unconscious people who will choose tomorrow
00:33:13
there, I don't know, I
00:33:21
still think
00:33:27
so. By the way, is it interesting whether he is in Ukraine or not?
00:33:29
Although it is not interesting, I will ask you
00:33:32
a few more words about the Government, because during these
00:33:36
six months of full-scale war, we have
00:33:38
finally seen You know that the
00:33:42
birth of the appointment of the head of the SAPS,
00:33:45
but at the same time, neither Yarmak
00:33:48
nor Tatarov went anywhere. The Prosecutor General and the head of the
00:33:53
Security Service of Ukraine acting there, in general,
00:33:55
all these people are actually members of the same
00:33:59
system. I would
00:34:05
certainly like to have
00:34:08
even greater support from the Western partners of Europe and
00:34:11
weapons not only in words. And for it to
00:34:13
appear even more in real life and this
00:34:15
should return the government to some
00:34:16
correct path, well, it is meant to be
00:34:19
fair and not among themselves. They expected
00:34:22
this did not happen. How do you think why or
00:34:25
it is my fault and maybe we perceive something wrong,
00:34:28
we will now briefly below give
00:34:31
you the cases that we all engaged in as
00:34:33
activists in the whole history of the
00:34:37
messiah's career in relation to high-profile cases, do you
00:34:39
understand or do you understand why this
00:34:41
question is addressed specifically it seems to me
00:34:43
that we are not systemic society is
00:34:47
not yet strong enough to be
00:34:49
systemic because
00:34:52
we will return from the history of Arsen Borysovich
00:34:54
Avakov
00:34:55
I remember that we fought to
00:34:58
change him for how many years he was replaced but
00:35:01
who was replaced
00:35:03
The question was whether society had its
00:35:07
own for
00:35:10
example, I go to the salon
00:35:12
to buy a car and I have a certain
00:35:15
request to the fact that there should be clips and the
00:35:18
company spends a lot of money to
00:35:21
satisfy my need, what is it for me,
00:35:23
and the most important thing is that if I come every
00:35:26
time salon, I buy cars and I don't
00:35:28
like it sooner or later I already Well, either I
00:35:32
won't go to this salon or I, well, I'll
00:35:34
come myself and build my car. Then I'll
00:35:37
go to the point that the Prosecutor General, the
00:35:40
Minister of Internal Affairs, these are people
00:35:43
they have to grow from
00:35:47
That is, we have to
00:35:49
say listen to the
00:35:51
prosecutor general, for example, so-and-so is
00:35:53
suitable, why not him because he is
00:35:56
inconvenient, it is difficult to manage them and so
00:35:59
on. Okay, this is also an answer, let's be honest.
00:36:04
to
00:36:08
move this whole system and have it move
00:36:11
synchronously Yes, okay,
00:36:15
the Prosecutor General must be obedient, that is also the answer But it
00:36:19
seems to me that we are not systematic enough in
00:36:23
terms of
00:36:24
our demands on the state We say We don't
00:36:28
want it to be like this Well, but it's a bit
00:36:30
infantile to say only what they
00:36:32
want We say that we want and this is not
00:36:35
enough, how much more should we
00:36:38
probably build more systematic
00:36:40
organizations that deal with one or another
00:36:43
direction because Look at the garden at the
00:36:47
anti-corruption prosecutor's office, but the
00:36:49
higher anti-corruption court decided They created
00:36:52
Why Because someone organized it all this
00:36:57
this climate it was created and there were
00:37:01
systematic people, that is, people recovered and
00:37:03
thought: What should be done to change something,
00:37:04
well, probably such and such a system, OK, let's
00:37:06
build it, it will be built, Mr.
00:37:09
Shabunin, who deals with the
00:37:11
anti-corruption system, is quite
00:37:14
systematic, yes. I would say that in many
00:37:18
ways we owe it to them that there is a
00:37:22
nabu garden in the action, it works, there are not enough
00:37:26
organizations that would be involved in
00:37:28
the reform of law enforcement agencies, because
00:37:31
as lawyers I have a lot of questions about the
00:37:34
law enforcement system, the prosecutor's office, the
00:37:36
police, the SBU, the SBU, in principle, I do
00:37:40
n't know how or where to register is he
00:37:42
just nominal But nevertheless these
00:37:45
questions are there and you know Let's not look for
00:37:48
enemies in surnames
00:37:51
from surnames These are just people who perform
00:37:53
functions, these functions are to build strong people,
00:37:56
this is our task as a society, and it
00:37:58
seems to me that this is precisely what we lack
00:38:00
knowledge, the desire for vision and work in this
00:38:05
direction. And why do you think he still
00:38:08
apologizes again, the last name is in a to
00:38:10
the last name, but it really makes everyone
00:38:13
wonder why Zelenskyy would not have happened
00:38:16
if society had not put pressure on social
00:38:19
networks everywhere, he still leaves Yermak with
00:38:22
him and Tatarov next to him, that is, in general you
00:38:25
somehow explain to yourself why the phenomenon of
00:38:28
this connection of these people listen to these very
00:38:31
understandable things when you put yourself in the
00:38:33
place of the president. You understand what
00:38:34
society
00:38:36
wants. a
00:38:44
car manufacturer,
00:38:46
he does things that are not
00:38:50
about quality, sometimes often about economy, and
00:38:57
that is why it is necessary to understand that what
00:39:00
is important to the president is something other than the need for
00:39:03
society, that is, you and I want
00:39:05
valuable people, so on. The
00:39:08
president needs the right people whom
00:39:11
he trusts, the right people who are loyal to him
00:39:16
and
00:39:18
probably without own ambitions
00:39:21
Such as to become the president or
00:39:24
something further, we simply do not know the requirements of the
00:39:27
president for this position, but we have our
00:39:29
own requirements and minutes, why not as we
00:39:32
want, you know how we are in childhood, we
00:39:34
want ice cream Why is it sweet, delicious,
00:39:37
why no,
00:39:40
I am not talking about the fact that we are children in
00:39:44
society, fair comments to the
00:39:47
current government are fair, and if it is not to
00:39:51
communicate, sooner or later, well, play
00:39:54
there, where the masses are thin, we have
00:40:01
such a part. People write questions there. The
00:40:06
main thing is that everyone wants
00:40:08
me to hug you, but I can
00:40:10
only do it remotely, and they thanked
00:40:13
you for you. Questions from Serhiy
00:40:17
vopros kakim on vyady okonnye voyny.
00:40:27
atrocities
00:40:31
were identified and at least their cases
00:40:34
were in court, because this is a huge
00:40:36
problem during his lifetime, it is real while he is
00:40:39
alive,
00:40:40
listen, if it is real during Putin's lifetime, what
00:40:43
will happen when he does not happen, and I pray to God
00:40:45
that it is in our hands,
00:40:51
Arseniy's office is interesting Arseniy's office, how is the
00:40:55
case of Serhiy Sternenko progressing there,
00:40:57
when, thanks to the work of the defense of the sidekick,
00:41:00
will we have a high-profile precedent with
00:41:02
self-defense of this nature, in other
00:41:04
words, when the case
00:41:06
will come to an end and Serhiy will be
00:41:09
found innocent, the
00:41:12
court proceedings will continue in September. I hope
00:41:14
that at that time if
00:41:17
the fork and
00:41:18
my team he does not sleep. So I
00:41:22
hope that I will accept or
00:41:24
participate in the court session already. But I
00:41:28
think that this case will run to the end or at a
00:41:31
convenient moment like that time. Or it
00:41:34
will end, I think somewhere
00:41:37
objectively in February of next
00:41:39
year plus or minus, I think it takes
00:41:41
time for us to interrogate these
00:41:43
witnesses and have debates
00:41:48
at this trial. And this is only the first
00:41:50
instance,
00:42:00
and I will remind you, dear viewers in the
00:42:04
Kherson region, what a huge number of
00:42:06
traitors there were. And in general, you connect the rapid
00:42:10
retreat of their troops in the territory of the
00:42:12
Kherson region and the
00:42:14
lack of mining of the bridge. Well, in short,
00:42:17
there are a lot of questions, and with the fact that the
00:42:19
traitors were not expelled from there in time,
00:42:23
this is the moment we have. This is an educational
00:42:26
moment for the state.
00:42:31
What did I do? What kind of traitor is the balance?
00:42:55
cooperates with the
00:42:57
Russians, specifically works with the Russians,
00:43:00
this is the result when the state does not listen to its
00:43:02
citizens,
00:43:03
why does it not listen, because at that moment, perhaps the
00:43:06
president thought that
00:43:08
these activists were paid by some other
00:43:11
political system, and so on, this is paranoia,
00:43:14
and
00:43:16
when are you a politician, this paranoia, paranoia
00:43:20
It can get stronger, but it can
00:43:22
also destroy you, that's what happened to the past
00:43:25
president. But I think we'll go back to the
00:43:27
story with Katya. I think that
00:43:31
if
00:43:32
you listened to the people who live in those
00:43:36
regions, you would understand what happens when
00:43:39
they say something, it's not difficult to
00:43:42
create under the Ministry of Internal
00:43:44
Affairs at the SBU, there are some small departments,
00:43:48
I don't know what to write, what is this department that
00:43:52
listens to activists, let them
00:43:54
listen and check the information, this is the
00:43:56
task of the state, why not? And we simply
00:43:58
destroyed the Russian intelligence network, that's why what
00:44:03
happened in the south is, in the first place, it
00:44:05
seems to me that certain people
00:44:07
cooperated with the Russians, this is my vision, based on the
00:44:11
information that is publicly available,
00:44:14
that is available in society, I don't know anymore,
00:44:17
they ask why my brother does not fight with you, well, it is
00:44:22
to remove all claims against Mustafa,
00:44:24
now I had to ask you about
00:44:27
it, I will tell you
00:44:29
you know very well when I went to war I was definitely an
00:44:32
inventor because the time of society I am already a hero
00:44:34
Although I am not a hero because I did not do
00:44:37
anything that deserves the title of a
00:44:40
hero of Ukraine but Mustafa who works from
00:44:43
morning to evening
00:44:45
neglecting time for his relatives and so on it will
00:44:48
be a traitor because he is in the state, this is
00:44:52
such an infantile
00:44:54
construction that all the time all who
00:44:57
work there are pagans And all those who are not
00:45:00
there are good and do not work like that, this is
00:45:02
Mustafa now
00:45:04
Thanks to him and
00:45:06
their team, they do such things that,
00:45:11
well, if it were shorter, it would be public as a
00:45:14
solution were public, we would think that
00:45:16
they are unrealistically cool, and it is true. Yes, but
00:45:19
he is effective there, there is no president, you have to
00:45:23
fight. Although he can speak very well
00:45:25
in the international arena.
00:45:35
he was able to be a good
00:45:38
president, to fight, to shoot or to be a
00:45:40
gunner, he might not be able to, but he is
00:45:43
not needed here, just like my brother is in the
00:45:45
war, you know, this is such nonsense. Everyone must
00:45:48
suffer because everyone who is in the war
00:45:50
suffers.
00:45:57
what we created is not
00:46:00
there for Ukraine, it is only good. And I
00:46:03
think that over time we as a society
00:46:06
will change this change of opinion about such things.
00:46:09
Why doesn't some minister fight because he
00:46:11
solves the problem much better at his
00:46:14
level? You have a T-shirt and everything is written on it.
00:46:17
what exists in the world once there was a dream and a
00:46:20
dream and many others Now I will focus a little
00:46:25
Yes the first airplane Yes a multi-
00:46:29
purpose plane a cool t-shirt
00:46:32
By the way who gave Mustafa a cool
00:46:36
t-shirt I got acquainted with your
00:46:40
plan massi what will happen when the war is all
00:46:43
friends I will share with you first of all the messiah
00:46:47
I want to take my dog ​​and stay with him for
00:46:49
at least a month without any distractions.
00:46:52
I would like to buy myself a small,
00:46:54
cheap one.
00:47:04
in
00:47:06
very beautiful places where there are no people. I would
00:47:10
really like to get together with my brother, sister and stepmother
00:47:12
and maybe go to some other
00:47:15
country for a vacation.
00:47:20
head,
00:47:24
when you blew up those mines, I can't
00:47:28
imagine, but I'm sure that each of us Well,
00:47:31
once thought in different variations what he
00:47:34
would get when there death may be
00:47:38
very close than now, but I'm asking
00:47:42
you about the dreams that you voiced, they are
00:47:45
actually very simple, well that is, they do not have
00:47:47
any kind of globality in it, there is something very
00:47:49
simple human in it, the question arises - this is a
00:47:53
person who has experienced so much, a lawyer with
00:47:55
brains and with such high-profile, very
00:47:57
complex cases of injuries, the absence of an
00:48:00
eye, and the war is not over yet.
00:48:03
How do you think you will survive all this?
00:48:07
What has changed and what is your dream at the moment?
00:48:10
Maybe we haven't fully
00:48:13
found it yet, but we will find it when when. We will
00:48:16
realize something. What have you realized during these
00:48:20
six months? I would like to ask you now
00:48:22
about the final itself.
00:48:26
that time is very
00:48:28
little, but we never realize it, well, we do
00:48:31
n't take into account when we dream about something
00:48:33
or want something or do something
00:48:35
I want to make time While I still have sight
00:48:38
While I still have hearing because I know that it will
00:48:42
deteriorate me over time because of the injury and
00:48:45
I really want to have time to listen to the music
00:48:47
that I like, to look at the people that I
00:48:50
love,
00:48:52
and you know. We argued with
00:48:55
my father all the time. Why does he work? He
00:48:57
worked. He was a doctor of
00:49:00
philosophy. He is a psychologist. In the
00:49:03
1960s, we had to
00:49:05
survive and you know that we
00:49:09
quarreled with him every time. Why does he work in the market?
00:49:10
He is a huge person for us, and I
00:49:13
understand that for him there were other
00:49:15
things that were important, simpler things that were
00:49:18
important, I think in six months I myself am
00:49:20
simpler, even simpler than I was. Because
00:49:23
the language Mercedes that I have now
00:49:25
is not happiness for me, the language money that
00:49:29
I can have, it is a tool for
00:49:32
me to realize what I wanted, for example,
00:49:35
to stand on my head, which will now be
00:49:37
complicated. I wanted to
00:49:40
learn to play the piano and now I
00:49:43
went to play
00:49:44
got these lessons and you know when I
00:49:48
remember What I wanted at the age of 12 for
00:49:51
me this is a
00:49:52
moment When I wasn't crazy yet
00:49:55
Maybe I'm a little infantile in this But
00:49:57
I understand that certain things which
00:50:01
make my heart beat faster that's
00:50:06
actually what's important to me and I
00:50:08
actually think that we all lack
00:50:11
or I lack a
00:50:13
greater awareness of time it's
00:50:17
thanks to meditations and you
00:50:20
know when I'm aware of it Where I am what I am what I am That
00:50:22
she makes me happy every day
00:50:25
without the presence of yachts, even though
00:50:30
I understand that my dog
00:50:33
still has fewer years left to live and despite the fact that I am very
00:50:36
worried about my loved ones, because
00:50:38
now the worst thing for me is to lose someone there
00:50:40
You read Franklin, a person in search of
00:50:43
meaning Oh, I saw this book Listen it is
00:50:46
sold even at gas stations. I am very
00:50:48
sorry that I did not read this book. Earlier
00:50:50
there are moments when he talks
00:50:53
about how Vasyl used to abuse the Jews
00:50:56
when they worked in the cold and
00:50:59
their legs swelled. I read this and think you
00:51:03
know me. Is that all? humanity is
00:51:06
so poor in its strength that they
00:51:10
could not stop it already in some
00:51:13
small town a few scum and
00:51:16
the system is built in such a way that they can
00:51:19
do whatever they want with people and
00:51:22
Reading this book you understand that the history of
00:51:27
brutal treatment of people
00:51:29
has repeated itself and this means that everything we
00:51:34
did didn't
00:51:35
work the story
00:51:38
we told didn't work the books that
00:51:41
were written didn't work the upbringing that
00:51:44
made me read it I don't know yet In the
00:51:48
first In the second in the third grade in the
00:51:50
seventh grade and why Because if it
00:51:55
had worked it wouldn't have happened of this war,
00:51:58
I understand what the Russians did. They
00:52:02
should be included in the textbook
00:52:06
so that people who will read it
00:52:10
will understand how terrible it is,
00:52:13
because for us it was a war before a full-scale
00:52:15
invasion. That these are certain
00:52:17
Atoshniks somewhere over there shooting bones and
00:52:21
killing them, but this is murder in war. Yes,
00:52:24
but we we see Bucha Irpin, rape,
00:52:28
abuse of prisoners. These are much worse
00:52:31
stories. Not to mention that the children
00:52:33
who fled the war are traumatized. They
00:52:37
will build their lives with these
00:52:40
injuries. It is different. They will
00:52:43
want to build their relationships,
00:52:46
houses, they will want other things. a
00:52:50
very big blow to humanity and the
00:52:53
world, here are such things. It seems to me that what
00:52:56
Russia has done now is that
00:52:57
we should describe it in such a way
00:53:01
that people who read it will feel the horror, and not in
00:53:05
such a way that we manipulate this horror and
00:53:07
say, you know, such ways happened
00:53:09
there, no need to say no it is necessary to say how to
00:53:12
feel, give the facts, they are so and so and
00:53:14
so very terrible, that's why I'm just It
00:53:16
seems to me that in 7 months I've become
00:53:19
simpler because all simplicity is
00:53:21
ease, mobility and the ability
00:53:24
to adapt to that a
00:53:32
phrase that I
00:53:35
could not formulate in my head for a long time, although
00:53:37
in fact I understood that this is the inner
00:53:40
feeling of my happiness and peace, it is when you are
00:53:44
when you are completely calm about yourself
00:53:48
because you respect yourself and
00:53:51
do what your heart tells you, not
00:53:54
circumstances, and you no matter where you will be, under
00:53:57
what conditions, you just remain yourself and you
00:53:59
will be able to adapt and you will not be
00:54:01
ashamed for yourself, for us, for ourselves, these are not
00:54:04
pathetic words, there is no shame, despite the fact
00:54:07
that war really makes heroes out of many people,
00:54:09
even sometimes in relation to those who do
00:54:13
not like it deserves Well, let's be honest with me, the
00:54:15
military often writes about this, saying that
00:54:18
there is such a problem, but as for what is
00:54:20
wrong with you, you deserve it. I thank you
00:54:25
for today's conversation, I am sure that it
00:54:27
will show people the situation a little, well, with a different perspective.
00:54:31
Well, it will remove emotions and add
00:54:34
more Sensu, please take care of yourself and
00:54:37
see you at home. Thank you, it was Masinoy.

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