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how did you end up in Belovezhskaya Pushcha
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Belov, we flew together with ears, then
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he boarded the plane with me, our plane
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was Ukrainian so we don’t know, but
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we flew the plane on a
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drone, there I still have to drive a few times
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to the place
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and it was
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built by the place specially buildings for
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the meeting of heads of
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state of the Warsaw zone Valya I could
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meet Brezhnev with the leader of the
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Warsaw Union
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so it’s a pretty decent building
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built in such
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a style we’ll have time for conditions for
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rest and for work and telephones and communications
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cookies and security of some territory it’s
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in general then it is provided there and
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all the conditions have been created for this, so we flew over the
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Belovezhskaya Pushcha, the
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eggs weren’t there yet,
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we talked to Shushkevich about some
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general questions about the possible organization of
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this meeting, then he is a thief and clay is hot,
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there is time, maybe you should look at my
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head, I’m there when I wasn’t,
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well, I say with pleasure and we, and the
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Prime Minister of Ukraine Fokin was with me,
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he went earlier, I stayed and they
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provided us with transport and we went
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and go, take the guns, maybe
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you’ll be able to shoot something at someone,
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I
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took this weapon and So I thought that there was
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this beast in Belarus, well, at every step
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we drove for about twenty to thirty minutes and did
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n’t see anything,
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I say, keep your wild boars, bison, all
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that, we have the freedom under Kiev and a more
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understanding head,
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but it’s necessary that there we drove further, we
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drove, and suddenly we saw
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I took a wild boar with a weapon 2 shooting normally,
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they don’t say you have to come closer and closer it’s
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very far away and this is the first time
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when I listened and in vain it was completely in vain
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when I saw one step closer and ran away in
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this way, this hunt didn’t
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give anything anything like we did we drove for about an
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hour, we went to see the prime ministers,
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he shot something
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because there was a lot of talk
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around it, it’s worth it, lucky hunters,
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we’ve arrived from this hunt, it was already about
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8 o’clock in the evening,
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Boris arrived, he’s crying,
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well, let’s put it down,
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we sat down at the table and there were about
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100 of them all sat at the table and the servants, the doctors
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were there with someone else, that is, there were about 45 people,
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but the largest was, of course,
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the Russian delegation because it did
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not come as an official reception, it was an
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official visit of Boris Nikolaevich, I’m talking
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about people here this dinner took a very long time,
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but the first to come was the holiday of life, he
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saw me for the first time after the inauguration in the armor of the
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president, everyone began to
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congratulate us, I was imbued with it, I was
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chosen back in June in
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December, press these congratulations
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dragged on, then they began to congratulate
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Boris Nikolaevich, but then, as always in
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these cases, they begin to send you are
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beginning to
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worship your elder brother they say the words of
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great Russia they forget about everything in the
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world
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this is what
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we will say at the supper to the Ukrainian this
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dinner it was very interesting and took a long time
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after dinner all the delegations
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went to rest on the street I needed it took a long time
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before going to bed I was
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there with me there were also people together on the
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street the frost was so clean the air was
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very beautiful it was on the street we walked around
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somewhere like this according to my
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calculations so I didn’t really
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look for an hour but it was already one o’clock at night
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and when Lily found it then they
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started
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even
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drinking a little
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there was a conversation, but that’s why my head
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was sober after the walk, even there the person was
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completely as they wanted now they imagined
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what I also read there, they drank in the bushes
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and destroyed the Soviet Union,
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sometimes it’s a sin, well, even such
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serious people don’t believe in it, he can’t
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ruin the bushes, the Soviet Union version
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of would represent some kind of force and
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under any conditions, that’s why they would be in such a
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good mood, I would yearn for
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fresh hay, I went to rest and here I am,
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at the beginning I somehow said, I sleep well,
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I fell asleep somewhere at half past four at night, everything
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was spinning in my head I had notes
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vodka it will go what
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conclusions will we come to what document will it be what are
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these fights for the document about the main thing what
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will happen after the document in the
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morning they started and
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immediately
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starts at 10 meetings there were
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two people present at it
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which means Yeltsin Burbulis along the route there was
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also Gaidar we were me Fokin example and
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Belarus Shushkevich kia beach premier
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with this composition we started
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meetings Boris Nikolaevich took the floor immediately
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says I have an order from
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Mikhail Sergeevich to
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ask
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on his behalf stupid emphatically Leonid
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Makarevich a few questions
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without this answer
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we will not move forward and
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obviously will not start anything at all because
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Mikhail Yurevich and I here also support the
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Soviet Union or any union without
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Ukraine there will not be
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this position of the worker who cooks and
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I support did not ask me a few
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questions, first of all, will I now agree
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to that dollar that has already actually
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been spent and which is in the Kremlin what
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I said in the heather hall was actually well
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taught presented to the people of the world
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this is the first question 2 what
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concessions or what claims or what
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conditions could be put forward
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for them to teach and can it be taken into account in this
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agreement and 3
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Gorbachev believes that there could
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be concessions there a few, but not fundamental,
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Boris Yeltsin said this directly to me in the presence of everyone,
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I told him you are celebrating, you know my
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position, which was in Novo-Ogarevo and we
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discussed it, it is not for
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equestrians and we all know it here, but that
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was before the referendum
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now I have arrived with the opinion of the people, I am
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not free
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to express only my point of view, I am a
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law-abiding person,
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I really profess democracy,
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the laws are the will of the people, they are right,
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they are the only bearers of power, I
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cannot now, in general,
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manipulate this opinion or
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ignore it, especially
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so I am throwing this away. I can’t accept it,
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I propose to create a new formation instead of the Soviet
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Union,
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similar or
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built on the principles of the European one,
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yes,
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this tells the new cook what we will
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do,
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but I realized that Boris Nikolaevich has
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some
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smell in his storeroom, there are ideas to retreat
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from
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Gorbachev’s position and
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they were in
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burbulis but mainly because he
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had a whale of a record, he didn’t get it and it
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was printed
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if I had it written by hand, to be
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honest, I kept
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these thoughts of mine a secret, even from my close
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people here in Kiev, no one knew
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my wife, I didn’t consult with someone
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absolutely not with an assistant and
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didn’t say a word to anyone because I, well, I think
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it’s in such a check, you know somewhere a little bit
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and it will leak out or that it will be a
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disaster and
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we sat down to work, well, what will we do, how to
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name the document, how to name it first of
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all that we will create
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through and already in Novo-Ogarevo and remember
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there was
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the USSR, a union of
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sovereign
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states of the CIS, a union of modern
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states, there was a union of Soviet
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modern states, they
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discussed it, and
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I say, well, if European
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is required, what is
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independent, what is the
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main question, and so after all
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Well, the discussions were written by the CIS and the
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very beginning was the main thing, this is the first
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point,
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which said that from now on the
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Soviet Union as a political
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reality as a subject of international
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law
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ceases to exist,
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this is the phrase they wrote, but they
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really
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wrote seriously, you know, and when
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they wrote, they read
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such a state was in
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everyone, I looked like that and I felt in my
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gut I felt how serious it was
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when it was written down on paper who else was
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discussed whether it was so again let’s
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read it read it again well let’s leave
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fir
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they said I’ll leave
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after that everything went very quickly that
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is, there is no longer a Soviet Union with
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this for this phrase and so points with this
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position, and then there are questions
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gradually, what it will be, what kind of
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work, what powers, they
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began
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to add a lot of different proposals,
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but then they all came to the conclusion that
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I can’t create a ledger, it should
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be a short document, but still
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clear, so all the details were
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were the delegation's draft agreements cut off?
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So when everyone sat down at the table,
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they took paper, pens, everyone took pens, which is
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interesting, the lessons, that is, no one knew
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who would write right away, but naturally,
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before expressing their thoughts, everyone
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reached into their pocket for their thoughts, I
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noticed them Burbulis took a printed document out of his
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pocket,
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well, it was not convenient
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to look into the document what was written there
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across the table, but he read this document
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and
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kept it with him constantly, that is,
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it was possible to draw a conclusion then that
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they understood that if they did not say in
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this case, let’s say Kravchuk that he
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will agree to a confederation, then this is one
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question, but they understood and not politicians in
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this case, how can you persuade me
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when I am not free to give in to a thief, I
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have people, his refrain is
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so I can now say
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frankly that they also
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had
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cop people prepared for this case they are
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qualified, serious politicians and
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Aidar and experienced Boris Yeltsin, of course,
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all no, they discussed this problem before,
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it was not unexpected for the Russian
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delegation 2 it arose only
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because Kravchuk said something no, they
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went through serious preparation,
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especially since there was a minister in this delegation
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Russian Foreign Affairs there and there
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was a group of experts there, everything was
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thought out and calculated, the
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Belarusian delegation
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but it had no
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preparation, I understood that they
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agreed with
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the turn of events that would happen there,
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but when this first phrase was written, the
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first point and Shushkevich and Ghibli
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accepted very active creative
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than very useful participation in the preparation of the
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document, that is, they had already decided that it
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would be so and Russia agreed and
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when they agreed to start work, well,
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this is the moment of
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writing the first paragraph of this most
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important position life about the end of the
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life of the Soviet Union, of course, before that they
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were, but that’s how I I looked at the faces and myself
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whose I once again repeat all shall my
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internal tension a
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serious
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step historical here are no longer just
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words historically it is really
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historically therefore the general conclusion each
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delegation was prepared 1 more 2
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less and was ready for this with a red
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turn, that is, if
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such a thing is adopted a conceptual
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solution means there are documents and mentally
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this is if there are such documents thoughts on
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how it happened and the signing of agreements
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we finished the work, polished it already, well,
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as far as it was possible to polish it
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because we must keep in mind the arcs were
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completed quickly with all the preparations,
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within the course of an incomplete day a document was prepared
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that changed the world and the
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geopolitical situation in the world and the
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situation of the peoples carried out the movement in
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completely different historical parallels
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and directions and it is also a fact that such
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documents,
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well, speaking by and large, it is
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hardly possible to do more than 6
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hours of the day,
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the length that is, but we have been
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prepared with our whole lives for this, this is
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I want to say that since 1985, these
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processes of perestroika, these processes of
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change in the world in the Soviet Union, they
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failed everyone, that all this was by
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ear and tongue and by eye, that’s why it
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was done quickly, they were because they were
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all so brilliant and
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when they finished the document, they brought it in,
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well, I
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need to sign it, I’m already closer to Laika,
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the first start, I
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write slowly in my own handwriting,
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then I signed it in alphabetical
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order, and Sushkevich wrote to you on
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the street, and now someone suggested to me, it seems like
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kabysh, let’s drink something like
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eggplant
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broke, a glass of champagne
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cut out now speaks the same with in times
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. Tamir Usopp cheeks there were
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journalists waiting and there was a little,
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mostly the journalists were Russian
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who came to the briefing to catch us,
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we went out to them and stood at the table in such a
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hall, a small field,
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everyone said a few phrases about
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what happened and
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immediately dispersed and
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well, the journalists then the journalists should study the
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Hajj and Gorbachev
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but the question arose: who should take off the cooking?
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I
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realized that Boris Nikolaevich really didn’t
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want to talk to him, it was clear from
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her face, how he grimaced, how he generally
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sighed and groaned that he didn’t want to
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take off, I then suggest Sushkevich
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the owner,
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similarly, this happened to you on your
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land now you will probably be the capital
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you will have emergency cards in your hands
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but it must arise immediately yes yes this is the
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right thought says let him
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say it he is the owner immediately began to
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prove everything beautifully to such an abortion Tito and
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Shushkevich had no choice but to
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take this cup upon himself peru the mission of
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the conversation but when we went up
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and the phone and these government officials up there
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says it’s clear but I probably don’t probably
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we need to cook and bush tell the
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president of the United States everyone
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supported what needs to be said so that the West does
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n’t end up in a state of shock
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because everyone understood what it was
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the empire is
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almost not new and with missiles, atomic
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warheads, a
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colossal army of uncontrollability,
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let's already say in the country these
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centrifugal processes began, this is where it
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just arose Yeltsin 1 picked up the
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phone
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sometimes asks why they told
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Bush Gorbachev at first and he was terribly
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offended by Gorbachev at this this is how the
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president of another country was the first to find out, they were the first to know,
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Nikolai lifted the phone to everyone,
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he drove his phone through a
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special non-
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Belarusian connection, and
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literally in one minute he was
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taught bush there and he began to speak behind the scenes, and
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Shushkevich waited because but it was impossible
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speak at the same time with Bush and
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Gorbachev
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because sometimes speaking like this, this is a
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politically thought-out computer,
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but so everyone sat down scanf on a turn to whom to
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speak, so I’m telling you how it
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was in life, he quickly came to the
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chair and sat down and immediately picked up the phone and
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Shushkevich yellow and when then Bush was on the
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treaty and
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he Boris Nikolaevich told Bush everything with an
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interpreter there was an interpreter right away and
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the analysis was short hung up
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and
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told you he says Bush correctly says he
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understands very well he would say that the
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Soviet Union was not completely destroyed but the
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place unconsciously did not that the other
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was the main concern of the West, they were terribly
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afraid, only the gift would disintegrate completely
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spontaneously and there would be nothing that
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would hold this fragile one already
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new, let's say some kind of
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formation, they were afraid of
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unpredictable processes, especially with
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regard to atomic weapons, later when
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he visited several United States
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once I saw that for the American
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man in the street, the
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worst thing to happen is that missiles are aimed at him from the
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side, slightly the most terrible, they
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were terribly afraid of all this, and
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then Shushkevich got on the phone, dialed
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Mikhail Sergeevich, of course I
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looked, I must pay tribute to Stanislav
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Stanislavovich, he is a professor,
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vice-rector of the institute, you can see that
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well trained with people, speak to
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such a high culture person,
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but I see how he
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blushed at every answer from Gorbachev, he
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wants to say about the worker, he presses on her,
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not the main thing, you can hear there was even an analysis, we
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stood next to each other, she left so loudly at the
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beginning, not from Moscow, how dare you, that’s how
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you they were able to not inform me
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behind the back of the president of the country they gathered
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somewhere in the forest on the account they did
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this you didn’t think it through you need to think about
00:24:25
how to disavow it now how it is
00:24:28
now you understand the world will know
00:24:32
too the stars live but it’s just that
00:24:34
he’s already saying it all knows
00:24:36
g says there is something to
00:24:40
water the soul with and this was the last
00:24:43
straw
00:24:45
the conversation stopped
00:24:47
okay he says we’ll meet later tomorrow
00:24:51
the humpback and
00:24:54
my scene we ask Stanislav, how
00:24:59
was life but worthy he you know
00:25:03
so worthy bark and why does he
00:25:06
say no well we wave we don’t have the right
00:25:08
to speak Stanislav Stanislav brother this is
00:25:11
our right, in the end we are the heads
00:25:13
of state so he retorted
00:25:16
politically precisely
00:25:18
to me I just stood there always thinking how
00:25:22
I would speak to him again after that that’s
00:25:26
right I said that the words
00:25:29
for you to say are revealed by your the earth
00:25:31
the earth will educate by force, and that’s where
00:25:36
the stay actually ended,
00:25:40
things went downstairs,
00:25:43
dinner was but literally on the move, and
00:25:48
then
00:25:51
boris yeltsin says we need to go as quickly as possible,
00:25:54
everyone, and we’ll get through
00:25:59
[music]

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