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Hello again This is the focus of Life TV we00:00:07
continue our broadcasts I want to remind you that the00:00:08
sponsor of the channel is the Gateman trademark00:00:10
Prizma Medical Center Today our00:00:13
guest is Sergei Datsyuk whom we are very00:00:15
glad to see Sergei hello Thank you for the00:00:17
time you know for us Seryozha I remember00:00:19
how during of our last interview with you,00:00:22
you told me Luda, you don’t00:00:24
read what I write in poetry, I’ve00:00:26
corrected myself,00:00:27
I read it and I really liked it,00:00:32
and to be honest, I even want to00:00:34
recommend our viewers to read it,00:00:36
so I read it on your Facebook and it says00:00:38
Ukraine is a wonderful jazz band00:00:41
I really liked it, but00:00:44
I immediately had so many questions00:00:46
regarding us, jazz, war, you know, Sergei,00:00:51
I think that only probably you will be able to00:00:54
combine00:00:55
some such complex things, war,00:00:59
us, the history of the people of each person00:01:03
separately and jazz, and in this sense, it00:01:06
is no longer clear whether jazz is good or bad00:01:08
because before I read00:01:11
what you wrote, it seemed to me that jazz was00:01:13
always great. And now, to be honest,00:01:16
I already had doubts00:01:18
about the combination that you00:01:20
made. Therefore, if possible, let's00:01:22
talk today about why jazz and00:01:25
why jazz is always good Yes,00:01:28
because it would seem improvisation She00:01:30
always helps out the most difficult00:01:32
moments Why does jazz00:01:35
look bad for Ukraine? Well,00:01:42
there is such a poem,00:01:50
now there is another drama and this time00:01:54
I was fired, but the routine of actions is thought out,00:02:06
any game00:02:09
is interesting when you start you achieve,00:02:16
but the Lord has arranged everything in this world in such a way00:02:19
that the00:02:20
reward for your mastery at the00:02:22
previous level00:02:24
is the next one. Where are you again a beginner?00:02:31
It’s forever, that is, such a movement always00:02:34
works out. Well, until you die. And the death00:02:37
of this again, the transition to another level,00:02:41
jazz00:02:44
was interesting even in its appearance00:02:48
because it allowed one to00:02:50
bypass many rules of music,00:02:55
melodism,00:02:57
tonality,00:03:01
as it were, rhythm,00:03:07
and so on. That is, it00:03:09
allowed one to bypass many rules and also has00:03:13
its own levels, the00:03:15
majority likes the so-called00:03:18
popular00:03:23
tried to object,00:03:28
of course I have not been offended for a long time because00:03:31
but even if a person says that my00:03:32
age is not necessarily that he has heard00:03:35
a lot of jazz00:03:38
because I have an exploratory approach to music.00:03:42
What does exploratory relationships mean? I do00:03:44
n’t listen to what they seem to listen to more accurately.00:03:47
Listen not only to what they listen to. I’m00:03:50
trying to listen to something that no one00:03:52
listened to00:03:55
and00:03:56
pick apart. I remember how there in the late 90s00:04:00
I had to study What kind of jazz is there in general00:04:05
and it turned out that there is Quite00:04:09
in the ranking00:04:10
of jazz00:04:13
and the first 20 positions are00:04:16
simply absent in Ukraine as a class00:04:19
cannot be bought00:04:22
they are absent from the jazz anthologies00:04:25
we publish00:04:34
And when I started study It turned out that there00:04:39
was a huge movement in that direction00:04:45
and approximately 8000:04:49
When there was already compulsion for00:04:54
market sales of music00:04:57
who created such phenomena as mine for00:05:00
Davis00:05:02
and it turns out that00:05:06
we had the music of Shostakovich, we00:05:09
could quite easily come up with the idea00:05:12
that Hausen and so on This00:05:14
representative00:05:18
but it didn’t happen00:05:21
didn’t happen00:05:23
and I decided on a personal level I00:05:27
think it’s tonal00:05:32
it lasts like that for a second for two hours00:05:37
And when I have a special irritation in00:05:40
some direction or despondency I00:05:43
listen to this album I gradually come00:05:44
to my senses00:05:46
and00:05:48
this is the idea Like nothing is00:05:53
limited forever certain And00:05:56
some commentators told me00:05:57
that jazz is a well-00:06:00
developed improvisation,00:06:05
killing in general the idea of00:06:08
improvisation when it is improvisation00:06:11
they are well-developed00:06:14
well-developed This is dishonest,00:06:17
that’s why in jazz there is such a concept00:06:19
as a jam session,00:06:22
this is when people meet and00:06:28
try to play on a certain topic,00:06:31
maybe even not one two five and00:06:35
each time not like before,00:06:39
catching some of the best00:06:41
places and then presenting the00:06:45
best places and jeans in public and it is actually00:06:48
then written down, in general, from the point00:06:50
of view of market waste, this is correct00:06:54
from the point of view of an individual00:06:58
No I Why so much Now I’m paying attention to the00:07:04
practices of jazz, a00:07:09
long lecture comparing my approach with the00:07:13
approach,00:07:18
but for us to just imagine that00:07:21
jazz is not our word,00:07:25
jazz is not only music. For example,00:07:28
there is a film called oldjack jazz,00:07:30
it can be translated as All this jazz00:07:34
can be cited as all this madness all00:07:37
this mess, all this chaos,00:07:39
jazz, not only00:07:43
jazz music, a certain state00:07:46
when people deliberately00:07:50
introduce non-normativity into00:07:54
improvisation00:07:57
and00:08:03
improvisation,00:08:06
some kind of improvisation. Not normativity,00:08:08
let’s combine it again. I would like to00:08:10
clarify that improvisation itself is00:08:12
determined by a lot of things, then I00:08:15
’ll bring them to what topic of what form with00:08:18
what tools00:08:23
and nevertheless if we choose these00:08:26
frameworks But within them00:08:29
we improvise and it seemed to me that00:08:34
Ukraine in war is00:08:37
better at improvising00:08:40
because we have so many conditions that are00:08:45
forced on us, firstly,00:08:47
external control from the West,00:08:52
firstly secondly,00:08:54
strategic incompetence within00:08:56
the country,00:08:58
thirdly, a lot of pressures of a00:09:01
social nature,00:09:03
various political and social00:09:07
activist forces are pressing And of course,00:09:11
the pressure of the enemy,00:09:12
a lot of these circumstances do not00:09:16
allow us to make long-term ones,00:09:21
so I’m good from this, maybe00:09:28
Ukraine can be this is the best that00:09:33
it can present, it00:09:35
does every time non-strategic00:09:38
through improvisation she achieves much00:09:40
more than to act, let's00:09:42
now raise this interesting question to00:09:44
which we will now move on. Could it00:09:47
be good that we improvise all the time?00:09:48
Yes, and that in our country jazz war00:09:51
is best achieved by a friend. And if00:09:54
you allow me, you said that what prevents us from00:09:56
strategizing is you You named several00:09:58
factors, but you said that we succeed in00:10:02
improvisation. Let us, if possible, what is it00:10:04
based on? What is its secret of success?00:10:09
I think that our improvisation is based00:10:12
on the fact that in certain areas00:10:15
We have a joint motivation,00:10:18
and here Pay attention,00:10:21
we traditionally have a very significant00:10:25
part not only national patriot but also00:10:28
left patriots00:10:29
liberal Patriot00:10:32
they talk about values00:10:37
and values are What What is being said is00:10:40
impossible for the left right00:10:43
and so on00:10:45
cannot be and what is the same But even00:10:48
close00:10:49
values00:10:52
because it is impossible you can00:10:56
agree00:10:58
But what we have the common thing is the motivation of both the00:11:05
Mariupol resident and the Kharkov resident and the00:11:08
Odessa resident and the Lviv resident and the Ternopil region and00:11:12
the Kiev resident00:11:14
represents the motivation How to make00:11:18
our territory independent,00:11:23
free,00:11:25
rich,00:11:28
legally protected,00:11:31
and it seems to me that improvisation is00:11:34
based on Solidarity of motivation00:11:38
and not even principles, and especially not00:11:42
value00:11:43
if built this way idea,00:11:47
it turns out that values are not the same00:11:50
as00:11:54
if we are in solidarity in motivations. But00:11:58
solidary motivation is a Republican00:12:01
concert.00:12:02
You can clarify how it can be00:12:05
Solidarity of motivation without Solidarity.00:12:10
I don’t know the interests of some values,00:12:13
this is also an interesting point for me,00:12:16
and in general- then I answered with this word00:12:19
republic, that is, we meet and00:12:23
agree for today in00:12:26
relation to how00:12:28
to configure our, in general, common00:12:31
motivations In the general matter00:12:35
And this is the only way00:12:38
my actions everything else00:12:41
we don’t agree on this, not values,00:12:45
not principles,00:12:47
not tools, neither what and this is00:12:51
possible is the actual philosophy of00:12:54
Ukraine in a00:12:57
republican way to agree00:13:01
on motivation, mind you, not even goals00:13:09
this is00:13:11
probably the way of being of our country00:13:23
this is included in our conversation00:13:30
this means a jazz group00:13:33
Well, since the band we have a00:13:35
slightly different00:13:37
understanding, then I deliberately used not a00:13:40
jazz-bent part of a gang,00:13:44
implying by this the polysemy00:13:46
of this, that is, a gang is not an error in00:13:50
the interpretation of jazz itself, but it00:13:54
also hints at another meaning of a00:13:57
gang as an illegal formation00:14:00
formation Outside the law or an agreement for me of00:14:04
the law an00:14:06
agreement of motivation is not a law That's what it00:14:09
means00:14:13
it has a very distant the attitude00:14:16
is just like a00:14:19
good metaphor that allowed me00:14:22
to expand this understanding of the majority.00:14:30
Let's then00:14:36
Ukraine is good00:14:45
because for some it is good when there is00:14:47
freedom and no one tells you what00:14:50
language to speak, what books to read, what00:14:52
music to listen to,00:14:54
and for others it is good when00:14:58
everyone speaks but Well, let’s say it more00:15:02
softly when the environment that is familiar to him and the environment does00:15:05
not change.00:15:08
We have been for00:15:13
a decade. And maybe even more, the00:15:15
old people00:15:16
wanted stability because we00:15:19
survived;00:15:21
we, as a social organism, like Ukraine,00:15:23
tried to survive00:15:25
and all our motivations are focused on00:15:28
survival and sustainability at any cost.00:15:32
And as soon as we gain independence,00:15:34
we had to rethink this base and00:15:37
our attitude; the00:15:38
main motivation00:15:41
now we need is not the persistence to00:15:44
offend along with everyone else; along the way, we00:15:48
compete with all of them and we did not cope with00:15:52
this task; there00:15:55
was no need for us00:15:59
to destroy everything that was left. there00:16:01
was no00:16:05
need at all,00:16:07
this is a stupid installation Soviet sauce00:16:10
Let's destroy the rocket industry00:16:12
and now we'll sit like fools on us00:16:14
missiles are falling And we have nothing to answer But00:16:17
I was the one screaming I00:16:20
can't do this I argued I got into00:16:25
conflicts and Well, how would it be clear00:16:27
I already then I went to the counter00:16:30
in a place that was influential, that00:16:34
is, my voice was heard, but unfortunately00:16:38
it was the price for independence00:16:43
it was the price for independence they were00:16:45
afraid that we were unpredictable00:16:47
Imagine nationalities And they also have00:16:50
missiles00:16:52
Let's free them from the missile Then00:16:56
let them he’s really engaged in his nationalism,00:17:12
regardless of this, people constantly00:17:14
get into trouble00:17:18
and it’s probably very difficult to get out of this00:17:22
because it seems like you understand that the00:17:25
family00:17:30
because its own gang, its own group This is00:17:33
good Well, the nation is the coolest of all and and that’s00:17:36
all and this black hole has00:17:38
sucked you in and then they are able to see00:17:40
non-targeting possibilities not00:17:43
humanity00:17:44
not the context of all beings00:17:48
Pay attention not even to people to all00:17:51
beings for you these levels simply do not00:17:55
exist and the00:17:58
good for creatures is incomprehensible it is an empty phrase for00:18:01
nationalists00:18:03
even thinking does not go there00:18:07
and this is where00:18:12
we00:18:13
come to this situation to the question of00:18:17
how we can improvise00:18:21
because in our country improvisation00:18:23
is about the00:18:25
clan, the family00:18:36
and the principle If you don’t steal the state,00:18:40
it is also basic. Why did00:18:44
n’t I understand something now00:18:46
because the00:18:47
primitive00:18:49
instinct is to protect your family,00:18:53
your pride, your clan00:18:55
your group of the school there as you like,00:19:00
it’s primitive, it’s an animal,00:19:04
and in this sense,00:19:06
rising to nations00:19:09
as a limit, you find yourself between family and00:19:13
nation, the00:19:16
richer the family, the richer the nation.00:19:20
And you won’t get out of this dichotomy, what to00:19:24
get out of income is to set up00:19:27
implementations Empire00:19:29
then humanity then in for the good of all00:19:33
beings,00:19:35
you need to see that there are games of a different00:19:38
level, I’m not interested either,00:19:40
your optics are designed so that nothing00:19:43
but semination00:19:47
means the best way to be, I’m riches,00:19:51
these are00:19:53
other nations,00:19:58
tribalism, aka, as soon as you00:20:01
assumed tribalism because of your00:20:03
opponents,00:20:06
you fell into this trap Who are yours00:20:11
and here you have two levels of your families, there is00:20:14
nothing else and you00:20:18
are organizing a game between these levels, from here they took00:20:22
the garhs, from here all the corruption is from here, all00:20:26
this idiocy that we have is happening00:20:27
at the level of00:20:30
activist society, here it is all from here00:20:32
because this is a game between the family nation00:20:38
Well, you know this popular jazz sweet00:20:45
sweetie00:20:57
How to prove00:21:10
until he tries00:21:13
and if for example for some reason he does00:21:15
n’t want to because he thinks it’s00:21:16
a lie that he’s being misled00:21:20
in all seriousness00:21:23
when you say that guys the00:21:25
Ukrainian civilization is cooler00:21:27
you're a fool, you'll wake us up.00:21:30
Well, there's no answer to this; there's nothing to answer.00:21:37
Because here it's like a00:21:40
tension situation, let's try it so that00:21:46
a person will admire the00:21:48
many levels of some other more00:21:52
complex games. But this is very difficult and we00:21:57
are at the moment when00:22:03
many discussions are taking place what00:22:05
has been happening in recent months is00:22:10
that we are starting to get tired of the00:22:12
primitive game00:22:14
that was in our society,00:22:20
everything is clear that if we00:22:22
continue like this, thieves will steal or00:22:25
oligarchs will turn in00:22:27
scars, they will not00:22:29
engage in corrupt activities and00:22:32
forever00:22:38
at once. Allow me a few questions. Maybe00:22:41
they will expand the wounds a little but00:22:43
still, look, I’m listening to you now00:22:45
Yes, and the thought immediately arises:00:22:49
in your last poem Ukraine00:22:51
above, pay attention also to external00:22:56
foreign policy and00:22:57
international things in general. When to say00:23:00
that I’ll even quote my game, no one is00:23:02
here and we don’t can help you won’t00:23:04
let us all get to this point in this00:23:07
sense, let’s expand00:23:09
our conversation a little then the whole world now we’ve00:23:12
talked about this many times, he00:23:14
seemed to be confused and the principle is00:23:17
tradition rules they are now all00:23:20
being questioned and00:23:22
something new is being formed as far as new is also00:23:24
a question, but nevertheless there is some kind of movement going on.00:23:27
And if you just say in this sense, here is00:23:30
the ability to improvise,00:23:33
the ability to adapt. I don’t know00:23:36
whether this is it, but whether this is also in this00:23:39
context or not, let’s also say this,00:23:41
maybe you are like- then explain Yes, but00:23:43
the ability to improvise in such an00:23:45
unstable00:23:46
external space. But perhaps it gives00:23:49
Ukraine some other chance that we00:23:53
still don’t even fully understand, either00:23:56
based on thinking or based on00:23:58
very simple concepts that00:24:01
you talk about which society is tired of00:24:03
what I mean when I talk about simple00:24:05
concepts For example Let’s take the00:24:07
shadow economy we have been talking about this for 3000:24:09
years that it is terribly terribly terrible we00:24:12
were told this from all sides but when the00:24:13
coronavirus came even the largest chambers and the00:24:18
disappearance of the shadow economy in Ukraine00:24:20
they said damn it, it’s the shadow00:24:22
economy that saved us, this is a very strange00:24:25
turn, a very strange look. But00:24:28
above, it’s interesting that they said that we are starting00:24:31
to get tired of the primitive game, but on the other00:24:33
hand, maybe there are some moments00:24:35
in this primitive game00:24:37
that will allow us to adapt.00:24:39
Sorry, maybe be too complex a00:24:41
chaotic question Well, something happened in my head00:24:42
to put it on the shelves, the00:24:50
improvisation that we can present00:24:54
should be unexpected for all parties,00:24:57
it is clear that for Russia00:25:00
But this is not a guarantee of Victory, our00:25:04
improvisation should be unexpected for the00:25:06
USA, for Europe and for China00:25:11
in in this sense,00:25:14
Ukraine will win either by accident00:25:18
or thought out in a jazz way,00:25:27
[ __ ] No one will understand How they did it,00:25:32
we must beat everyone not only00:25:34
Russia but also the West, but if we00:25:38
succeed,00:25:39
we will win, we somehow think that we00:25:42
are playing only with Russia This is not true00:25:44
in the West The same game00:25:48
may even be tougher than with00:25:50
Russia,00:25:52
with Russia the game is being played about today's00:25:55
victims of today's losses by the West00:26:03
so that you have no doubt,00:26:07
every tank,00:26:11
every Drone, every highmax,00:26:15
every weapon and every00:26:17
cartridge00:26:19
in the West is recorded in a separate column and there00:26:22
is a price tag there00:26:25
and after war, this entire list00:26:27
will be presented to us00:26:30
not with the goal of being returned,00:26:34
but with the goal of you being ready No, well then, two00:26:39
centimeters to the left please, then 1000:26:41
centimeters to the right00:26:43
And we smile,00:26:47
approximately this is how it will be. Therefore,00:26:50
we need to outplay00:26:56
the West, this is to make for it a game of unexpected Victory,00:27:02
this is where the idea for us comes from you have to play like this, no00:27:08
one understood what the topic of improvisation was on00:27:13
And how it all unexpectedly happened00:27:15
because I once thought it was really00:27:17
possible to build a strategy that has a00:27:24
complete lack of strategic00:27:26
competence00:27:28
where they can’t even play a simple00:27:30
strategic game00:27:32
Two by two equals 4 show it,00:27:36
what can I say about some complex00:27:39
strategies, so we build a complex strategy, we00:27:42
need to build someone an00:27:50
improvisation00:27:52
that would allow us to realize00:27:55
our common motivations. That’s how00:27:59
I see it for myself, so00:28:08
get a defeat and not let us00:28:11
get a victory00:28:18
conditions00:28:37
Yes, it’s very difficult,00:28:40
look what I’m doing, I’m explaining00:28:43
written verse00:28:45
This is wrong So, as if the creator00:28:48
should not do this, first I will write a verse and00:28:50
then I will explain it to you, but we have reached00:28:53
such ugliness to such an extreme that00:28:55
I have to interpret my00:28:57
own poems an00:28:58
anecdote with a girl00:29:02
old anecdote00:29:07
You know the00:29:09
parents00:29:15
Tanchiki and you will fight00:29:19
I envy You understand I’ll be lonely there, you’ll00:29:23
call me, otherwise00:29:27
we’ll play Tanks online00:29:30
and come to me, I understand.00:29:36
Approximately on this topic, the anecdote00:29:42
has to be explained00:29:47
because I wrote how it was not clear00:29:50
often00:29:57
and having heard from my youth, having conducted research,00:30:00
written a theoretical work on music and00:30:04
mathematics where actually and jazz on00:30:06
top of the research by creating a jazz music library00:30:09
And after that I then understand,00:30:12
I admit that there is no limit to00:30:15
perfection and you can always do better but00:30:18
present it00:30:24
Well, this irritates me most of00:30:26
all that I have to00:30:28
interpret hints00:30:30
and this is a very bad situation for us to be00:30:34
honest I’m happy to now00:30:37
take a walk through your poem and00:30:41
enjoy it. Because it’s00:30:42
interesting to discuss some points in00:30:44
more depth, let’s present it this way, not00:30:47
that it’s deeper, some00:30:49
points, by the way, I want to argue with you00:30:51
a little, you said that00:30:54
today’s game we’re playing Yes, with00:30:58
Russia it’s about00:31:00
today’s losses, today’s deaths, and00:31:03
in the West, about tomorrow’s losses,00:31:06
tomorrow’s deaths, I think that the West is00:31:08
about today00:31:12
because here is00:31:18
South Korea,00:31:21
where the00:31:22
Americans didn’t immediately take everything they wanted,00:31:25
they defended it for a reason, but didn’t immediately00:31:28
take it as greyhound00:31:30
puppies there00:31:32
resources or something they did,00:31:35
they just made a Western model there, they00:31:38
put the state in several00:31:40
large corporations, as is usual, they00:31:43
presented their achievement of a00:31:47
society that is extremely collectivized,00:31:50
personal Freedom is suppressed on such a00:31:53
scale that you can’t even imagine00:31:56
the success00:31:59
or lack of success, they have been promoted since school00:32:02
to such a degree level, you can’t imagine00:32:04
suicide00:32:07
due to not passing the Sunnah,00:32:14
and in this sense,00:32:23
it shows that from time to time the West does not00:32:27
warn,00:32:29
it can play Roulette with you, as00:32:31
a result of which the00:32:33
protective part of your GDP and yours00:32:37
will be confiscated in favor of the West and you00:32:41
will not be able to do anything00:32:44
because they they will take you like this00:32:47
from time to time,00:32:51
in order to resist this you00:32:55
have to be a player00:33:00
Could South Korea have avoided going into default? Could it00:33:03
have been a player? If00:33:07
there was a strategy or a place for00:33:09
strategizing. If there00:33:13
were people there capable of playing this level of00:33:17
play,00:33:20
we landed them. their level was lowered00:33:25
look how great you play00:33:28
Chapaev checkers00:33:36
chess everything will be fine00:33:41
great00:33:43
This is the choice because they00:33:48
also wanted to do the same thing with Israel,00:33:51
so we’ll play you won’t be there tricky Jew00:33:56
with them the topic didn’t work out00:34:00
and they reached the level of strategizing00:34:02
necessary to maintain this Level does not00:34:05
allow you to inoculate both the West of Europe and00:34:07
anyone else, here I was, they had cunning00:34:11
Jews,00:34:13
say it in a good way, then00:34:16
we will win now that I00:34:19
very often criticize the position of a Jew and00:34:22
very much the position of Israel, but I really love it00:34:29
and in this sense00:34:34
they are good Koreans, you understand00:34:38
I I would like Ukraine to play in such a way00:34:40
that it would00:34:50
also accept something. I would like that00:34:54
because the Ukrainians are cunning not to take up00:35:00
space, only00:35:07
if the Ukrainians are allowed to a level higher than the00:35:09
Nations. Believe me, they are trying no worse.00:35:11
But the problem is that they00:35:14
have immured themselves within four walls like demons00:35:16
Let's talk about space, it's very00:35:18
interesting what you just said here,00:35:20
a few things for yourself. I noted that yes,00:35:22
I understand correctly that improvisation is00:35:25
directly related to freedom in one way or00:35:28
another, within the00:35:29
border frames. But with freedom within00:35:31
these limited limits. Absolutely correct.00:35:33
But look what happens, you They00:35:36
themselves said that, oddly enough, we00:35:39
already have it now and somehow all the time if00:35:42
we look back we manage00:35:44
to improvise, that is, we are always00:35:46
doing something that is not expected of us and00:35:49
this is something that is not expected of us that00:35:53
much in fact and inside the country, that00:35:56
is, we constantly open00:35:58
our country to ourselves, we think damn But it00:36:00
was possible, it turns out. That’s the same thing,00:36:02
we always open ourselves to a world00:36:04
that says damn Is it really Ukraine, it’s00:36:07
possible for them to do this,00:36:10
who are they anyway and in this sense,00:36:12
Sergei, there’s some interesting00:36:15
story here, that it’s like our wounds00:36:18
are limited, but we still improvise in them, we have00:36:20
some kind of talent00:36:24
for all this, maybe we somehow00:36:27
Even despite everything We’ll still00:36:29
go beyond these limits because00:36:31
the history of the war,00:36:36
if it weren’t for the pressure of the West, which00:36:38
demands that we put everything into a framework, that is,00:36:41
roughly speaking. And we would also listen to ours and we00:36:46
would have solved the problem of Drones in six months,00:36:50
who was stopping us? Well, if the officials They00:36:54
think that The West will demand from them that00:36:56
it all be within the framework,00:36:58
but in00:37:00
reality, but this is so public, but00:37:03
in reality, Everyone wants to get their00:37:08
own percentage on any contract, and this is not lost on them, they00:37:13
interfere in the big game with their00:37:16
primitive robots that are between families00:37:19
and It is impossible to knock them out this level00:37:22
Can I watch Drone Go nuts in terms of00:37:27
parameters I can produce perfectly they00:37:30
coin00:37:31
Sergey can I put you to sleep here for the word00:37:34
impossible don’t you think that this is00:37:36
very00:37:37
very interesting sincerely what do you00:37:40
think about this Because lately I00:37:42
have noticed a trend that we often we00:37:44
say we can’t do anything00:37:47
because all officials are the same, all00:37:50
politicians are the same, all business is the same.00:37:54
Well, we attribute different strata to each, to00:37:57
each we attribute only a negative00:38:00
connotation, and as a result, because00:38:02
we say that we are all the same, we00:38:05
get this word is impossible.00:38:08
Why How? it seems to you that we are always00:38:10
playing the same game No, not all00:38:12
officials are the same, they are all Prosecutors are00:38:14
corrupt, not all politicians are stupid and00:38:17
corrupt, and maybe if we00:38:20
share this, we will have it.00:38:22
Perhaps if we are who can change the00:38:25
rules of the game00:38:27
no one will be Which new faces will change00:38:31
in order to lead the old one00:38:34
and who can change the rules of the game,00:38:38
our president was going to change the00:38:41
rules but as always There was a00:38:42
war,00:38:44
remember he tried to pin the oligarch00:38:47
to his fingernail and change the rules to, as it were, in the00:38:51
whole business world, change the truth is not00:38:54
managed to start00:38:56
and we seemed to be caught at the level at00:38:59
which we were, from this level the question began to00:39:01
gradually slide00:39:04
when such officials as00:39:08
this are overcome by an00:39:10
authoritarian someone authoritarian must00:39:13
change the rules00:39:14
not in the name of unifying the language of culture00:39:24
change the rules of the game in the name of your00:39:27
Freedom00:39:29
war this is such a process there should not be00:39:32
more Freedom they are less00:39:35
it used to be when they fought with armies00:39:38
there should be less because in the army they have00:39:43
now started to have different ones00:39:46
and in them there is a00:39:49
role the role of00:39:50
PMCs00:39:53
such as Vander00:39:55
the role of private corporations00:39:59
the role of individual initiative brigades of00:40:03
volunteers not a volunteer Call it whatever00:40:05
you want Even before processed very high,00:40:10
give people freedom, let them00:40:14
remove restrictions from them, you will see how00:40:17
magically it is won Create00:40:22
conditions for jazz to win00:40:26
No, you [ __ ], we will play a polonaise mazurka00:40:32
And what else is there and on the balalaika that’s the only way00:40:37
you said it Very interesting, maybe I00:40:40
heard you wrong, you said it needs to be done in an00:40:43
authoritarian way you00:40:46
can create and change the rules of the game,00:40:51
but00:40:55
on the outside,00:40:57
Sergei, what is absolutely necessary, but00:41:01
it turns out that the internal situation is a00:41:04
man left to chance. And if the internal00:41:07
situation is left to chance, then there will be an00:41:10
official and chaos that00:41:13
we are actually observing, Sergei. Can I tell you a00:41:15
little story, I’ll waste a little00:41:17
time during our interview with you. I00:41:19
remember very well how after the two00:41:21
Maidans there was such an interesting story00:41:23
when00:41:24
the officials, I won’t say now, what kind of00:41:27
Ministry this is, what it is, but in00:41:29
any case, these are civil servants;00:41:30
at some point they stopped taking00:41:33
bribes because they didn’t they understood where00:41:36
all this movement would begin, that is, at the00:41:38
Lower level they didn’t take it because it was00:41:39
unclear what the top would say, and as soon as they didn’t00:41:42
take it for a long, long time, and as soon as the00:41:43
guys at the top said they00:41:46
brought it in, then and further down the00:41:48
stairs at the bottom00:41:50
everything worked instantly, that is,00:41:53
perhaps there is no only00:41:54
authoritarian but also some other very00:41:56
simple way when If you don’t bring00:41:59
to the top, then you don’t take from below00:42:02
because those who are below means to the top00:42:09
in our activists00:42:12
see many of the00:42:15
harmful sides of the Soviet and even00:42:18
imperial Russian system, but they don’t00:42:21
see nepotism and bribery point blank00:42:25
quality This is all for us. The legacy from the00:42:27
Russian Empire remains, but why are we00:42:29
trying to live one thing and not even00:42:32
trying for the other, for the simple reason00:42:36
because this is the system of an archaic00:42:38
game between family and nation,00:42:42
it is exactly that. It is based on00:42:45
corruption00:42:47
on trajectory00:42:50
and lack of strategy. it’s structured like this00:42:55
Can it be changed? Yes, here’s one of00:42:57
the ways: authoritarian. What other ways did I say?00:43:00
Republican I didn’t just say and00:43:04
according to the agreement to survive,00:43:08
there are some more. Yes, there are.00:43:11
We can do a hundred years of gradual evolution,00:43:17
but they won’t give it to us.00:43:20
We are the frontier, we will have wars here.00:43:23
it is necessary either radically or we will not exist at00:43:25
all;00:43:27
the path of slow evolution does not suit us;00:43:31
we wanted this path for 30 years00:43:34
of Independence;00:43:46
as we00:43:50
said, we looked through all these00:43:52
concepts of improvisation of freedom and so00:43:54
on, talk a little about some kind of00:43:56
near future. If possible, not even about00:44:00
forecasts, but just this is how you00:44:02
understand the near future. Let's take it for months,00:44:04
let's not take much, just00:44:07
a month, I think that00:44:10
when we get tired, the introductory offensive is00:44:13
almost tired, it was clear the00:44:16
offensive is when we attack00:44:17
all over the00:44:18
offensive when they attack there,00:44:22
this is such an unstable situation,00:44:24
as if there was an offensive in the Counter. They weren’t there,00:44:29
we will encounter some00:44:32
initiatives that are00:44:36
unpredictable even for the command00:44:38
at the top00:44:40
who will be able to change the situation to this For00:44:43
some reason, I hope it’s00:44:45
external initiatives, internal00:44:48
initiatives, ours, our frontline ones.00:44:50
This is important. Very important, initiatives that00:44:54
were not predicted by the command of the military, not the00:44:58
president, much less the enemy, and as if for.00:45:03
Perhaps this00:45:06
will change the situation,00:45:10
some kind of spontaneous jazz in general for everyone.00:45:15
It may change the situation here because by00:45:18
pushing as in the old city,00:45:22
it is necessary to have large resources. We00:45:24
don’t have them,00:45:26
we will only be on, as it were, even00:45:49
in this sense. I think00:45:52
this is our chance, an00:45:55
unexpected initiative precisely against the background. In the00:45:58
same way, in the rear, there is an00:46:00
unexpected initiative of a business00:46:04
that may refuse to follow00:46:06
some rules00:46:08
and present it to officials after the fact00:46:13
or an unexpected initiative of00:46:16
civil society itself00:46:19
who will say And now like this,00:46:23
but it seems to me that such jazz00:46:27
improvisations can change something in00:46:28
the war if it moves as it is00:46:34
We didn’t even lose, we won’t win00:46:39
Thank you very much thank you were00:46:42
with us today, very grateful00:46:44
Thank you And you are right, we really need to00:46:46
read what you write in all00:46:49
open form00:47:05
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