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Hello This is what happened under Caste00:00:10
news that remains important for a long time00:00:11
microphone Vladislav grief for today00:00:13
Ruslan Suleymanov, a highly-scientist,00:00:15
greets dear Ruslan Hello00:00:17
Vlad Thank you for inviting many people00:00:19
remember you, let's say from the releases What00:00:22
happened with Erdogan, someone is subscribed to00:00:25
Suleymanov's telegram channel big in00:00:26
Latin letters for those who haven’t yet I highly00:00:29
recommend reading it very interesting I honestly,00:00:32
without inventing any news00:00:35
reason, wanted to talk to you Let me00:00:37
explain to the listeners Why there was such a00:00:39
desire Why we met again00:00:41
because you went and just00:00:43
returned from Afghanistan as soon as you00:00:46
went there The editor and I00:00:48
agreed, having seen your posts on social networks,00:00:50
that we need to call you because a00:00:53
specialist, a person with analytical00:00:55
tools, goes to the place and in00:00:58
the field gets new00:01:00
impressions and new knowledge. What could be00:01:02
more interesting, you won’t let her lie that she00:01:05
wrote to you a long time ago and then I00:01:06
read in your channel about how you00:01:09
spent two days in prison under the Taliban for two days, an00:01:11
extremely unpleasant, obviously dangerous00:01:14
day, how many did you even try in00:01:16
Afghanistan?00:01:25
come to Afghanistan and are00:01:27
strongly asked to immediately00:01:30
indicate the date of departure upon arrival, we shifted the deadlines there a little,00:01:33
in general, but it00:01:35
turned out to be two weeks to go there,00:01:37
this is how you need to write to some email00:01:39
address at the embassy, come as00:01:42
it works, Russian citizens need a visa,00:01:45
I’ve been doing this for a long time I was studying at the00:01:49
Afghan Embassy in Baku and I00:01:53
had a long conversation with them. I think00:01:55
this is due to the fact that now not all00:01:58
Afghan embassies want to take on00:02:00
some responsibility for foreigners00:02:03
going to Taliban Afghanistan,00:02:06
but due to the fact that I also wrote and by00:02:09
mail the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the00:02:11
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan reported00:02:14
who I was, so to speak, they hit me with the brow,00:02:16
in general, I understood that the Taliban liked it00:02:19
and in the end Yes, somewhere at the end of July I00:02:21
received a visa for three months with the00:02:24
possibility of staying in the country for no00:02:27
more than 30 24 hours, a00:02:28
Russian passport helps here more likely00:02:31
or not, after all, in Moscow the Taliban are00:02:33
accepted, we can say that the Taliban00:02:37
treats Russia well, especially00:02:40
lately we see how the Kremlin00:02:43
warmly welcomes or invites them00:02:46
Despite the fact that I will remind you This is00:02:47
still a prohibited terrorist00:02:49
organization But from my own experience I can00:02:52
say that they have a very warm attitude towards00:02:55
Russia. What can’t be said, for example, from00:02:56
representatives of America and other Western countries?00:02:59
You’ll forgive me for asking this question. How many00:03:03
languages do you speak? I know for sure about00:03:05
Turkish, I know for sure about Arabic, and00:03:08
Farsi is correct, there is such a thing, but00:03:10
where something like 5 6 languages I know this is the specifics of00:03:13
the profession, I somehow decided for myself00:03:15
if I am engaged in the Middle East, then these00:03:18
languages are necessary to know Well, don’t be modest,00:03:21
what do you speak English Arabic00:03:24
Turkish Persian plus the Dari dialect00:03:28
these are the languages in which I am confident00:03:30
Azerbaijani me as Native,00:03:32
plus European German French, it’s00:03:34
already more difficult there, we continue to study, but00:03:38
in general, I focus on Eastern00:03:40
languages Arabic Turkish Persian Daria, I do00:03:43
n’t confuse this is the main Afghan language, it’s not00:03:46
difficult to talk about Which is the main one,00:03:48
probably now the main way00:03:50
that I’m not I know, I won’t hide it, but in00:03:54
principle they passed enough to stay in00:03:56
Afghanistan, the simple fact is that the Taliban are00:03:59
high-quality Pashtuns, and therefore00:04:01
now the Pashtuns in Afghanistan, let’s say,00:04:04
rule the score And in general, this is the main00:04:06
ethnic group, the ethnic majority00:04:08
So give Pashto, the main language of00:04:11
Afghanistan, you won’t speak nadari00:04:14
and they didn’t look at you there as spies00:04:17
Well, because you looked like I suspect in your00:04:21
eyes like Lawrence of Arabia In00:04:23
terms of clothes in terms of the freshness of your beard In00:04:26
terms of facial features, the00:04:29
Taliban had some suspicions, especially when they00:04:32
detained me and found out who I was but00:04:35
when you openly communicate and talk00:04:37
about what intentions you came with,00:04:39
what you did before, their suspicions and00:04:42
doubts dissipate. Tell us00:04:45
about the rules of behavior. Well, that is, what did you00:04:47
do so as not to attract attention, be00:04:50
more inconspicuous, fit into the00:04:53
landscape, and so as not to cause no00:04:55
suspicions possible and aggression and other00:04:58
things they say, firstly, there is no need to00:05:01
try to somehow blend into the crowd and00:05:04
pass for a local, I somehow immediately00:05:07
discarded this thought even after I00:05:10
started walking in national clothes, it00:05:13
seems to me in order to blend in with00:05:15
the locals, but you probably have to live there for 5-10 years,00:05:17
so I didn’t strive for this.00:05:20
If, say, you move along the streets, you00:05:23
should always be prepared for the fact that00:05:25
some armed Taliban, they are on00:05:28
every corner there, will come up to00:05:29
you and ask for documents. Maybe even00:05:31
ask you answer the phone politely and calmly, you do00:05:34
n’t cause aggression, you don’t00:05:39
arrange any provocations,00:05:40
you start shouting how dare you, what about00:05:44
human rights? everything else, all of this00:05:46
needs to be abandoned, you just need to calmly and00:05:48
politely respond to any requests, this00:05:50
or something beyond what is prohibited, they00:05:53
themselves they won’t allow it Because they00:05:55
still have some kind of moral code and00:05:57
some kind of discipline, most often I00:06:00
encountered document checks a couple of00:06:02
times they asked me for my phone number, in principle,00:06:05
security there is at a pretty00:06:08
serious level if we talk about Kabul,00:06:10
especially about the government quarter00:06:12
because the Taliban with machine guns are00:06:14
just everywhere, but to say that00:06:17
Afghanistan is a safe country, I00:06:19
still wouldn’t dare, you said about the phone,00:06:21
they look at something in the sense of an00:06:23
application or some kind of video, they00:06:25
look through photos, an application and instant00:06:29
messengers, let’s say there are the least of them00:06:31
They are interested in it. It’s interesting that you are filming00:06:34
something, photographing something, so I00:06:36
was stopped a couple of times in the00:06:38
government quarter, this is a specially00:06:40
protected zone. Where00:06:42
most of the ministries and a number of embassies are located,00:06:45
I took out my phone there to check00:06:48
some information, read something, and they00:06:50
came up to me and asked for my phone.00:06:52
quite politely quite calmly and00:06:56
look at the photos Yes, that’s what I shot00:06:58
where I shot it was the first second time00:07:00
I was already ready for this and therefore all00:07:02
the photos were previously saved in the00:07:06
Cloud but in general Yes they are00:07:07
interested in what you are shooting Why did you00:07:10
formally come you told them, in the sense of00:07:12
the Taliban, I’m going to the Islamic00:07:15
Emirates in Afghanistan Why did I00:07:17
go formally? As a journalist as an00:07:20
orientalist, I was there working on a00:07:24
film essentially about an ethnic00:07:27
Turkic minority, Kyzyl Bashi, I’m00:07:30
preparing a film for a Derban00:07:33
TV channel and this is such a formal00:07:36
reason for I was there, but at the same time I didn’t00:07:38
hide it or the fact that I, being00:07:41
like you, will be preparing some00:07:42
materials, some articles, reports and I00:07:45
can take this opportunity to announce Yes,00:07:48
I’m preparing material for the new newspaper00:07:50
Europe For important stories and for the front at00:07:54
the moment than for work and on the map00:07:56
there should be material on Russian relations,00:08:00
but in general they are of little interest in what00:08:03
publications I will write for, but what is important for them is00:08:07
some kind of formal explanation of who I00:08:09
came from. What papers do I have in my hands?00:08:12
Who am I listed with? so let’s say yes then there is00:08:14
purely formally, everything was fine with me,00:08:17
and they weren’t00:08:19
interested in the rest of who I write for, what I write00:08:21
with, who I communicate with, with the possible exception of the00:08:23
topic of the rights of women and girls, but of00:08:26
course I also dealt with this topic and talked quite a bit00:08:28
with Afghan girls about it I’ll00:08:31
ask, I just want to talk about the00:08:33
formal side or something,00:08:35
you met there with the00:08:37
frontman, maybe the main00:08:40
world media figure of this regime, sbihu00:08:43
jahit, his name is the press secretary and00:08:46
deputy minister of information and00:08:47
culture of the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan with00:08:50
someone else from the official people00:08:52
Have you seen each other and specifically what kind of hit00:08:55
has made an impression on you?00:08:56
It’s generally a big problem to catch00:08:59
some official among this, either00:09:02
because they really don’t like and don’t even00:09:05
hide it from journalists, someone outright00:09:08
openly hates them. Therefore, they00:09:11
handed everything over to this one the Ministry of00:09:14
Information of Culture where there are ministers,00:09:17
he has a lot of deputies and he himself scored a00:09:20
jahid 2 or 3 in my opinion.00:09:22
They are responsible for the information00:09:24
component of the Taliban, very easy to00:09:28
communicate turned out to be a hammered jahid, my00:09:31
Afghan comrades suggested his00:09:33
WhatsApp number. I wrote to him, he answered pretty quickly00:09:35
We agreed with him for probably00:09:38
10 days, he’s just now constantly00:09:40
in Kandahar, this is a city in the south of00:09:44
Afghanistan which is considered the cradle,00:09:45
or it’s still the main city for them00:09:48
and even more important than Kabul and he came from00:09:52
Tangar, we agreed on the time we00:09:54
met quite calmly, I answered00:09:57
and for all questions, even some pressing00:09:59
questions, I asked him about the composition of the00:10:02
government, which mainly00:10:04
consists of the Taliban and there are no00:10:07
ethnic minorities represented there, about female00:10:09
education I asked him very calmly,00:10:11
very confidently I would say so, he is confident00:10:14
in what he is saying and it is impossible to break through him00:10:17
What language did you speak? We spoke to him00:10:20
in Daria. I’m just trying to00:10:23
hypothetically, of course, imagine this00:10:25
picture. I probably judge from my own00:10:28
homeland, although from many other such00:10:30
odious regimes, there is always a person00:10:34
in the Russian Federation, for example,00:10:35
Peskov, who speaks decent00:10:37
English. English who generally presents00:10:40
himself to such Europeans or something in the broad00:10:43
sense as a person with whom you can00:10:45
talk as a civilized person. I00:10:47
understand that all this needs to be written in00:10:48
quotation marks, but you understand what type of person I’m00:10:52
talking about is a figure that allows,00:10:55
first of all, the Western audience to understand that they00:10:56
can deal with them they are not cannibals,00:10:58
these are all the [ __ ] from the press, especially from the00:11:02
time of Bush, this is all not true, here is a00:11:06
living person, as for the Munjahid, and00:11:08
this is the wrong thing to do with the gift of the Jahid, is00:11:10
he the same or not, is he not pretending or00:11:13
something, there is no task to draw a00:11:16
picture like this and play like this the role of an00:11:19
enlightened Taliban, if you like. I think00:11:23
that he definitely no longer plays any role; he is00:11:26
not pretending. And in general, if we00:11:29
draw some parallels, for example, with00:11:31
Russia, here is the key difference. In my00:11:33
opinion, about the fact that either they really00:11:35
believe in what they say, then that they00:11:37
preach and somehow there was no hypocrisy behind them00:11:40
and they are00:11:42
really ready to make sacrifices for what00:11:44
they preach and they00:11:46
have proven this more than once, the muzhikhed probably00:11:49
still represents a certain00:11:52
moderate wing of the Taliban because we00:11:54
don’t eat the Taliban00:11:56
in its essence, there are different00:11:58
there is a tougher faction, first of all in the person of the00:12:02
Supreme Leader of the Taliban and Batula00:12:04
Akhun Sadeh, his full name is00:12:08
the Lord of the Faithful00:12:10
and the main prohibitions come from him,00:12:13
these are the most draconian laws, but among the00:12:17
Taliban there are those who believe that this is00:12:19
not entirely true and can probably be00:12:22
considered a jahid to this moderate wing, it’s00:12:24
temping that he communicates most often,00:12:27
including from the Western press, and00:12:30
speaks quite openly and calmly about what00:12:33
policies the Taliban are pursuing and does not try to00:12:36
hide something to play around with, he speaks00:12:40
directly and as it is, but probably I would didn’t00:12:43
call him some Europeans00:12:46
or enlightened or not, he is one way or00:12:49
another still one of the Taliban,00:12:51
you can say about the boundaries of this moderation00:12:53
because for our largely00:12:57
centric view, and you explained this00:12:59
specificity Yes, that many would not00:13:01
communicates with journalists, he is like the frontman of00:13:03
the regime, the person who00:13:06
comments on news like the Taliban00:13:08
banned music, you can say that00:13:11
the Taliban have generally changed over the past 2000:13:15
years during the time they were in00:13:18
exile in isolation and staying, say, in00:13:21
countries such as Pakistan or Qatar00:13:23
many either sent their girls to00:13:26
school, communicated a lot with representatives,00:13:30
including Muslim countries, where00:13:33
democracy and Islam are combined to one degree or another, for example, with Turkey, and00:13:38
they somehow changed their views and00:13:41
their relations on a number of issues,00:13:44
including then how to build a dialogue with00:13:47
various international organizations,00:13:49
but we see that00:13:52
the struggle continues to a certain extent within the00:13:54
movement because00:13:56
I remember the Taliban have already introduced a ban on the00:14:00
work of women in non-governmental00:14:03
organizations and also UN structures,00:14:06
in parallel with this, some Taliban00:14:08
even openly talk about the fact that power is00:14:11
being usurped and the most striking example00:14:14
is the speech of the Taliban Interior Minister00:14:16
Sirajudi at Khaqani in February00:14:19
of this year. In parallel, the leader of00:14:22
such a group, a fabric network, is a branch of the00:14:24
Taliban, he said openly that it was not appropriate to00:14:27
usurp power, in fact00:14:29
he spoke against the Supreme Leader either00:14:31
there and one can even talk about that00:14:35
this is an internal struggle. It can result in00:14:37
something serious. If we talk about what is00:14:39
threatening today, then either we, that can00:14:41
somehow shake the Taliban regime, it’s the00:14:44
Taliban themselves, we’ll talk about it. Moreover, not00:14:48
so long ago there were two years of the00:14:50
Americans’ withdrawal from Afghanistan. leaving,00:14:54
these are all the shots with planes from which00:14:56
people were in mid-August, but00:14:59
I would also like to clarify about your personal00:15:01
interest, you said what you formally00:15:03
went for and your internal motivation was to00:15:06
go to see what, because00:15:08
when you are on the ground, on the one hand you00:15:10
have knowledge which you probably00:15:13
couldn’t imagine that you would receive while00:15:15
sitting at your desk in your office, something00:15:18
that amazes you and unwinds you into a tangle of00:15:20
thoughts, but on the other00:15:21
hand it still blinds you, you’re going00:15:24
and you’re getting an invoice or something. Why00:15:27
did we go? internally To begin with, I would like to00:15:30
say that I have been involved in Afghanistan for00:15:34
quite a long time. My love affair00:15:37
with this country, let’s say, began just two years00:15:39
ago when I was still a correspondent for the00:15:41
TASS agency in Egypt and somehow it00:15:44
has developed since ancient times in Tas that00:15:47
some important events in Afghanistan are00:15:49
being reported by the Cairo point and since I00:15:52
knew Dari. In general, in many ways this fell00:15:54
on my shoulders and I can say that I had00:15:58
fun doing it, it was00:15:59
interesting, but in any case, I understood00:16:01
that reporting the situation in Afghanistan on00:16:05
Twitter on some news reports00:16:09
are wrong, it’s important to understand what’s00:16:11
really going on there. And then I00:16:14
left Stas after the start of the war in Ukraine00:16:16
and still wrote some articles, say,00:16:19
for a new newspaper in Europe about Afghanistan, and00:16:22
all this time I was thinking about what was needed00:16:24
to see with my own eyes what and how is00:16:26
actually happening there. Although I00:16:28
still had contacts with the Afghans00:16:30
who are there on the ground. I received00:16:33
a lot of different information from them, but it’s00:16:35
still better to see once than00:16:37
to hear a hundred times as they say. So yes, I00:16:40
wanted to talk communicate with people live00:16:42
with the Taliban And in general see00:16:44
how the country lives, how people live, what00:16:48
stores they go to, what they buy,00:16:49
what financial capabilities they have, what00:16:52
worries they have, what problems they have, in00:16:54
general, working in the field with nothing, what kind of00:16:58
impression did you get that was unexpected for you?00:17:00
you made an observation00:17:03
that you also couldn’t predict,00:17:05
probably that it wouldn’t surprise me at all.00:17:09
I had a rough idea of where I was00:17:12
going and what awaited me, but still there were00:17:14
several such impressive episodes.00:17:18
First of all, of course, when you00:17:19
come to Afghanistan, what catches your00:17:21
eye is the colossal poverty According to him,00:17:24
two thirds of the population of 34 million00:17:28
in Afghanistan today live below the00:17:30
poverty line and you can directly feel it on00:17:32
the streets when boys and girls, for example,00:17:34
run up to you, just grab your hand and00:17:37
shout that uncle I’m dying, I have00:17:39
nothing to eat, give me some bread, this is00:17:41
everywhere I still feel strongly00:17:44
Colleagues caught my eye, let's call it correctly Yes, people00:17:47
with disabilities, but it is clear00:17:49
that no one is looking after them and00:17:51
Afghanistan, in my opinion, ranks first00:17:53
in the world in the number of people00:17:55
injured as a result of00:17:57
hostilities and terrorist attacks. And this is also directly00:17:59
felt, probably the most impressive00:18:02
picture was on this the large spontaneous00:18:05
market of Mandavia looks like a Labyrinth,00:18:08
there I saw several people without legs00:18:10
who simply crawl on the ground and00:18:13
collect some pennies. This00:18:15
impressed me greatly. Let's talk about the00:18:18
results of this two-year period. You said about the00:18:21
dynamics inside the telebana, it’s very interesting.00:18:23
If you tell me a little more detail about00:18:25
You mentioned about women Well, women00:18:27
are probably part of a larger plot00:18:30
related to the fact that the Americans have been present for a long time00:18:32
and a00:18:35
relatively large number of people have been formed there,00:18:37
Europeanized, sided,00:18:39
oriented toward the global world,00:18:41
sharing the values of the United States00:18:44
and what we call liberal00:18:47
democracy, all of this and then the00:18:49
Taliban comes and says No, this is00:18:52
not something like a somewhat wiped-out00:18:54
revolutionary Petrograd when00:18:56
you observe a clash between radicals but00:18:59
clearly expressing the emotions of a very00:19:01
poor majority with a00:19:03
Europeanized, Westernized00:19:05
elite. In general,00:19:08
we can start with any of these stories if you are00:19:11
curious about the clash of the Taliban with the00:19:14
conventionally global I don’t know, I00:19:17
call it all elites with great convention, but00:19:19
I hope you understand what we can mean. From00:19:21
this, I would first say that, in00:19:23
principle, the entire history of Afghanistan00:19:25
has developed and is developing according to a sinusoid;00:19:28
there were many examples of how00:19:30
some pro-Western reforms began in the country.00:19:33
Now I won’t go into the wilds, but00:19:35
for example, in the twenties,00:19:37
very strong pro-European reforms were carried out, but00:19:40
they quickly collapsed; an00:19:42
uprising was started by one Tajik00:19:45
field commander, let’s say, who in the late00:19:47
twenties curtailed all this, and there00:19:49
were many such examples when00:19:51
the country was just beginning to become dystonized00:19:53
radical conservatives appeared00:19:56
who curtailed all this, and now00:19:58
we are seeing another heel, apparently a00:20:00
rollback of a rollback. From reforms, the Taliban,00:20:04
it must be said, having seized power in the fall of00:20:07
21, they immediately began to say that they were00:20:09
different, that they had changed, and partly this is00:20:13
really so, for example, We do not see00:20:16
any We don’t see the massive and sometimes silent00:20:18
executions in stadiums that were observed in the00:20:21
years of their first Advent 96 2001,00:20:24
at least I personally haven’t00:20:27
seen. Here is some kind of strict control00:20:29
and dictatorship on the streets when people with00:20:32
machine guns force all their innovations to be carried out,00:20:35
for example, formally all00:20:37
women in Afghanistan they must wear00:20:39
burkas, that is, completely cover their faces00:20:41
when they are not visible Even their eyes, but most of the00:20:45
women I saw in kobuli, in00:20:47
any case, want open faces and the00:20:50
Taliban somehow don’t care how they walk,00:20:52
how they dress, the main thing is that their00:20:54
heads are covered for the Advent again, the Taliban were00:20:57
very strict with any photo and00:21:00
video production, they confiscated00:21:01
VCRs, they banned music, now00:21:05
they are quite loyal to all00:21:08
this themselves, for example, they willingly00:21:09
take photographs and take selfies. And what00:21:12
surprised me is that almost every official00:21:15
has a TV in their office, in this00:21:18
regard They somehow have changed, but still00:21:20
we are seeing such a gradual00:21:23
rollback with the tightening of reforms against00:21:26
women who are now prohibited from visiting00:21:28
parks, fitness centers, women who are00:21:32
prohibited from receiving a university00:21:33
education, girls who are prohibited from00:21:35
receiving education after the sixth00:21:38
grade, this is all a consequence of the hard00:21:41
line taken by the supreme00:21:44
leader and batula Khunzade and his00:21:47
entourage, and it is important to say that00:21:50
these decisions regarding the bans are not made in00:21:53
Kobul, but in Kandahar, that is, by the insertion of a00:21:55
spiritual leader. And many00:21:58
Taliban officials, ministers, the cabinet of ministers00:22:01
that formed the Taliban in Kabul, they00:22:04
sometimes find out about this after the fact and from00:22:07
various leaks we know that they are getting00:22:09
furious, they don’t agree00:22:12
with the fact that they are not informed about00:22:14
some decisions, but one way or another.00:22:17
This is a hard line. This is a tough course of00:22:19
behavior on prohibitions on tightening00:22:21
control continues. I think this is00:22:24
still in largely a consequence of the fact that the Taliban00:22:26
are being killed by the fact that they came to power for 2000:22:29
years they fought or underground00:22:31
armed struggle for 20 years they lost00:22:34
their comrades and now they believe that00:22:37
they have earned the right to control the00:22:39
destinies of Afghans and Afghan women and not to introduce00:22:42
absolutely any laws that they consider00:22:45
necessary and in their understanding is to make00:22:47
some concessions, let's say to Western countries00:22:49
that do not return Afghan00:22:52
assets to them, I will remind you that more than 9 billion00:22:54
Afghan dollars are now frozen in00:22:57
American and other banks. Europeans and00:23:00
Americans say that we need to make00:23:02
concessions, we need to soften our line of00:23:04
behavior, and for the Taliban this is00:23:05
is perceived as weakness, so I’m00:23:08
far from thinking about anything or even going to00:23:10
soften any reforms, in general,00:23:13
this is not felt yet, but given the00:23:16
dire economic situation, as I00:23:19
said, two-thirds of the population is below the00:23:21
poverty line, the economy is falling off, according to the00:23:24
World Bank, it has decreased00:23:26
by 35 percent over the last two years, in00:23:29
general, either we need to look for some00:23:31
way out of this situation and so far they00:23:34
have not offered anything And no one knows00:23:36
what to do about it And of course for them the00:23:38
headache is the girls with higher00:23:40
education from whom you mentioned this00:23:42
girls who look at the00:23:44
world differently, at human rights and in general at how to00:23:48
live in the modern civilized world, and00:23:51
either until they find the only00:23:53
solution, they are simply detained and00:23:54
arrested for some reason. They delicately00:23:57
recommend leaving the country, essentially00:23:59
declaring them and using00:24:01
almost exactly the same expressions as agents.00:24:03
which we hear from Russian00:24:05
officials and the Taliban themselves told me00:24:07
that the girls who oppose00:24:09
us on the streets are paid by the Americans, they are00:24:12
enemies of our people, but so far they either don’t00:24:15
know what to do about it. And if they00:24:18
continue this hard00:24:20
line and ready Then the situation00:24:23
will obviously only get worse because even00:24:25
Islamic countries, countries of the Islamic world00:24:28
such as Qatar and Turkey, they criticize the00:24:30
Taliban openly and harshly, for example,00:24:32
Turkish President Erdogan called the ban00:24:35
on university education for00:24:37
girls inhumane and anti-Islamic in00:24:40
one of the publications about Afghanistan two00:24:43
years after the departure of the Americans00:24:44
after the arrival of a new coming or to00:24:47
power, there was a very good formulation00:24:49
that despite the fact that they either paint00:24:52
this image of the new Yes, they speak directly about this,00:24:55
they are still the same, only more careful.00:24:57
This caution will be characteristic of them for a long time00:25:00
because you just00:25:02
described it international support,00:25:04
including the Islamic world, is it linked to00:25:07
some softer, less00:25:09
radical ideas about the00:25:11
structure of society or not, they may00:25:13
lose their caution and it is precisely00:25:16
this Kandahar line that the Kandahar00:25:18
bet a tougher attitude may00:25:21
begin to prevail Well, because this00:25:23
can also possibly ensure00:25:25
survivability of the regime I think that, of00:25:28
course, the first priority is the question of the survivability of00:25:31
the regime, and therefore, for now, they are not00:25:34
going to soften, say, some00:25:37
laws and adhere to this00:25:40
rigid line of division into these wings00:25:43
into these factions, it is also conditional. But on the00:25:45
other hand if we are again talking00:25:47
about survivability, if they see how00:25:49
the situation is deteriorating and being reduced,00:25:52
by the way, humanitarian aid now is far from00:25:55
what it was two years ago, according to00:25:58
UN estimates, this year Afghanistan00:26:00
needs 5 billion dollars to00:26:02
provide educational medical00:26:04
and other projects for now the country00:26:06
received less than 10 percent, now seeing00:26:08
all this, I think that they will either begin00:26:10
to think about how to change what to00:26:13
do about it And as for the Kandahar00:26:15
bet, they are ready for Khunzade. There have been00:26:17
rumors lately that he is00:26:19
very sick, that he has suffered from00:26:21
coronavirus twice, and in general he is no longer they are preparing a00:26:24
replacement if the situation develops00:26:26
exactly according to this scenario, then I do not00:26:29
exclude the possibility that a00:26:31
conditional moderate line may prevail in the hesitation without00:26:35
any analogies. Without any hints of00:26:37
this, just to emphasize if00:26:39
humanitarian aid is involved in general,00:26:41
support for Afghanistan and the Taliban in00:26:44
particular is linked to what kind of00:26:46
policy is carried out by the Taliban within the country.00:26:48
It rather splits this regime or,00:26:52
on the contrary, consolidates you say.00:26:55
In my opinion, yes, it really00:26:56
splits because there is no unity among the00:27:00
Taliban regarding how to00:27:01
build relations with the same countries of the00:27:04
Islamic world that actively00:27:06
criticize the Taliban, scored him Jaggeta00:27:09
personally told me about that that everything is in00:27:10
order, there are no contradictions, but it is00:27:12
clear that in many ways such ostentatious00:27:14
confidence is still a contradiction in00:27:16
the problem. And from time to time00:27:18
representatives of the same Qatar and00:27:21
Saudi Arabia, which by the way00:27:22
evacuated its embassy at the beginning00:27:24
of the year, which is also indicative, these are such00:27:27
signals either that it is necessary to change00:27:30
and this realization that without00:27:32
some changes, even00:27:34
cosmetic formal support,00:27:36
in short, they will not have finances, not to mention00:27:39
international recognition, not a00:27:41
single country in the world has yet recognized the00:27:43
Taliban government, then of course this00:27:46
makes them think about how00:27:48
further And how can we change? Therefore, yes, I00:27:51
think that this split is fraught with00:27:53
some consequences at a rate that00:27:55
we received reports that at one of the00:27:58
Taliban meetings back in the fall of 21, when they were00:28:01
talking about the composition of the government, they00:28:04
had an armed conflict with a00:28:05
shootout of part of the Taliban went to00:28:07
Kandahar then It seems like they managed to hush up00:28:10
that situation, but as they say, a sediment00:28:12
remained outside of this00:28:15
Lipetsk Circle itself, there are threats to the regime because00:28:18
that’s what I read Well, about the same00:28:20
women’s protests Yes, they go out into the streets,00:28:22
they can write on Twitter But that’s all it’s00:28:25
limited to I speak here absolutely00:28:27
without reproach as a person who has a00:28:30
passport from a country in which you do00:28:32
n’t particularly act so that they will quickly figure it out00:28:34
somehow dissatisfaction is still manifested by the00:28:38
Europeanized people of this part of00:28:39
society, not Europeanized or not,00:28:42
there’s nothing special to count on if00:28:44
someone was counting on of course in Afghanistan it is00:28:47
very difficult to carry out some kind of00:28:48
sociology and understand which part of the00:28:52
population really supports00:28:53
either which does not, but it is clear Afghanistan is, in00:28:56
principle, a deeply divided community on a00:28:59
poetic basis, first of all, it is00:29:01
obvious that the majority of Pashtuns00:29:04
support the Taliban, say Tajiks,00:29:07
Uzbeks, Khazarians to a lesser extent, and in00:29:09
general ethnic minorities to which00:29:12
now it does not have, say, its00:29:13
representatives in the interim00:29:15
government, they are clearly dissatisfied with00:29:17
the Taliban, this is what I heard from my00:29:19
Afghan comrades, ethnic Tajiks,00:29:22
to illuminate the Uzbeks. But their opposition is00:29:26
not formalized in any way, there is00:29:30
no opposition inside Afghanistan,00:29:33
even formal ones recently. By the way, the00:29:35
activities of any political parties have either been banned altogether00:29:37
in the country, but there is a00:29:40
front of national resistance00:29:42
led by Ahmad Masud, the son of field00:29:45
commander Ahmad Shah Masud, who00:29:47
fought the Taliban in the late 90s,00:29:49
quite successfully, which was destroyed00:29:53
two days before the terrorist attacks of September 11,00:29:56
2001, it is not considered that this was largely the00:29:59
same from the signals for the Americans to00:30:01
start their operation in Afghanistan and00:30:04
support this Northern Alliance, it00:30:06
was called that is, an association that00:30:08
was against the Taliban who fought00:30:10
against the Taliban now this is not the00:30:12
national resistance front with the son of00:30:15
Akhmat Shahmasud, it is rather virtual,00:30:17
they are holding some kind of press conferences00:30:19
meetings in European countries, but they00:30:23
themselves say that their support is not00:30:25
very great from the international00:30:26
community. I recently spoke with the00:30:29
press secretary of the National00:30:31
Resistance Front, he told me that in general00:30:33
for two years we have not received serious00:30:35
support from the international00:30:37
community because the International00:30:38
the community apparently somehow decided for itself00:30:40
that either they were not, they still00:30:44
need to talk to them and they are now00:30:45
the only current government. So, I00:30:48
repeat, some kind of serious position00:30:50
besides this virtual front of00:30:51
national resistance, which00:30:53
says that they are organizing howls of00:30:55
some kind of Taliban there they destroy the Taliban at a rate of00:30:57
5-6 people a week. But this is all so far, I00:31:00
repeat, it is more of a virtual00:31:03
nature, but there is a threat from the00:31:05
Islamic state, it is called the00:31:07
completely Islamic state of Khurasan,00:31:09
which includes militants from the Middle00:31:13
East and a series from Iraq. Where they00:31:15
were knocked out from and they periodically carry out00:31:17
terrorist attacks, for example, on September 5 last00:31:20
year, a00:31:23
suicide bomber blew himself up near the walls of the Russian embassy, two00:31:25
employees of the Russian diplomatic mission were killed, and the00:31:27
Islamic State took responsibility00:31:29
and terrorist00:31:32
attacks are periodically staged against the Taliban00:31:34
because the Islamic state is fighting, they would00:31:37
believe that they were betrayed, but00:31:39
the capabilities of this Islamic00:31:42
state of Khurasan they are large, they are00:31:45
limited and the number of militants does not00:31:48
exceed thousands, various estimates therefore, in00:31:52
general, the date is either to control00:31:54
the situation and obviously they have come in earnest And00:31:57
for a long time And as I already said, if there is00:32:00
any serious threat to the Taliban,00:32:02
it is within the Taliban itself It is clear In00:32:05
general, questions and about the Taliban and about how00:32:08
you went there are almost exhausted with the00:32:11
exception of the last one How you ended up00:32:12
in prison what is it like How did you get out00:32:15
and don’t be shy because I When I00:32:17
read your text I had the impression00:32:19
that it was a rather creepy experience00:32:22
primarily thanks their00:32:23
uncertainty Well, the inability to somehow00:32:25
influence people with weapons has little00:32:27
limiting them. Can you describe it all in detail?00:32:30
August 15 was the second anniversary of the capture of00:32:34
Kabul by the Taliban. This is a big holiday, a00:32:36
day off now in Afghanistan. I00:32:39
even received an SMS from the local mobile operator00:32:41
with congratulations on00:32:43
liberation day. Afghanistan from00:32:46
the occupation, this is the name of the holiday and00:32:49
of course it was either on that day they rejoiced,00:32:52
drove cars with flags of the Emirate of00:32:56
Afghanistan, the main celebrations took place00:32:58
in the public health square,00:33:01
this is the square of Ahmad Shahmasud of that00:33:04
field commander whom I mentioned.00:33:06
By the way, he was a national hero of00:33:08
Afghanistan before the arrival of the Taliban and this00:33:10
the square is adjacent to the building where the00:33:13
American embassy used to be located,00:33:15
which is also very symbolic for the Taliban,00:33:18
now there are various00:33:19
anti-American slogans everywhere and I was there00:33:24
that day taking photographs, I had all the00:33:26
documents in my hands. I first00:33:28
approached the Taliban and asked if it was possible00:33:30
to take photographs, they said Yes, of course, a00:33:33
holiday without problems and everything was calm,00:33:37
but I had already begun to move away from the squares and the00:33:41
nonentity did not photograph a00:33:44
few more girls who were speaking out00:33:47
against or who were not in a00:33:49
festive mood, who00:33:50
were throwing stones at the Taliban, I00:33:53
just couldn’t help but take a picture, so I took a couple of frames and00:33:56
moved on after five00:33:58
about a minute later, a passenger car overtakes me from the00:34:01
back, 400:34:03
people with machine guns get out of it and quickly00:34:05
pushes me into the back seat. That’s00:34:07
how we sat, I had three more people in the00:34:10
back seat, plus the machine guns, what00:34:12
were your feelings at that moment, the turnout was00:34:14
nothing bad can’t happen or00:34:16
Oooh, I wanted to say that I00:34:19
was generally calm, strange as it may seem, because00:34:21
I realized that it was the Taliban, that00:34:23
this was not Alqa, that this was not an Islamic00:34:25
state, that it was unlikely that they would00:34:27
demand some kind of ransom for me, much less00:34:30
immediately execute me but I won’t lie,00:34:33
of course it’s not the most pleasant feeling.00:34:34
Moreover, they didn’t answer my00:34:36
questions, didn’t explain why they took me00:34:38
before I was being taken, they just took me in this00:34:42
car. Then they transferred another car to00:34:45
other Taliban and they also took me and didn’t00:34:48
explain anything. it was unpleasant Yes, and00:34:51
of course, all sorts of thoughts creep in on you:00:34:53
maybe it’s even better to00:34:55
deal with you? Moreover, when I was already00:34:58
taken out of the car near some00:34:59
large large building enclosed by00:35:01
concrete walls, in fact, I had a dark blindfold00:35:04
over my eyes. Of course, I admitted that this was00:35:06
more likely a regime of secrecy but00:35:09
there were thoughts that maybe00:35:11
now they would just shoot them right away and that’s it And no00:35:13
talking In general, no one told them to do so As00:35:16
they say, but no, they took me to some00:35:18
building, untied the bandage, sat me down on the floor,00:35:21
collected my things, wrote everything down and, again, did00:35:24
not explain anything, they just explained me00:35:26
they sent me to a cell and told me to wait.00:35:28
Just wait. That’s how my00:35:32
stay in this prison began, they call it00:35:35
zindan. I apologize for a couple of clarifications.00:35:38
Firstly, how did you understand that it was either they00:35:41
said that they were or they have00:35:43
some distinctive signs How00:35:45
can this be determined? Outwardly,00:35:47
it was still clear to their attire based on their00:35:51
specific headdress. Well,00:35:54
because they were here among themselves, I00:35:57
generally understood right away that they were taking me to00:35:59
some boss of theirs, that is, it was00:36:02
immediately clear that this was not an Islamic00:36:04
state ok, and the second clarification00:36:06
about the zimdan, just if it’s a large00:36:08
building, what does zindom mean, what did it00:36:11
look like? I don’t know whether you have much00:36:13
experience in visiting government institutions in the00:36:16
Russian Federation in the vastness of the00:36:17
former Soviet Union, but I suspect00:36:19
that the majority of listeners, if there are00:36:22
any associations, only with our00:36:24
domestic prisons, what does it look like00:36:26
zindan, it’s like a stone bag, in00:36:29
essence, but in the ground, in essence, it’s such a bag,00:36:32
and in the ground of a civilized type of wall,00:36:35
there is a high, high small window,00:36:39
which by the way you can reach and00:36:42
even see what is happening00:36:44
outside this institution No, it’s not00:36:47
really a terrible place with some00:36:51
dirty walls and dampness, there are no00:36:55
several rooms, there were even rugs everywhere,00:36:57
mattresses you could00:37:00
lie on permanently. Even we had00:37:03
a fan, there was a separate room like a00:37:07
toilet and a bathroom before there was hot water,00:37:10
by the way, but as they explained to me, this is it the00:37:12
institution was built by the Americans, so Well,00:37:15
some of them decided, apparently, to00:37:17
create convenience for the prisoners, so I00:37:21
can’t say that I experienced00:37:22
any hardships of deprivation, because with00:37:25
me there was also an00:37:28
older man from Chechnya who had experience00:37:30
in such conditions institutions in Russia,00:37:32
he did not say that this is absolutely00:37:34
incomparable in Russia, similar cells00:37:37
are packed, that there is dampness, a hole in the00:37:40
floor, a latrine, that is, in general, I00:37:44
cannot say that I will repeat myself, somehow00:37:46
I experienced the hardships of deprivation, the most difficult thing00:37:48
was the wait, of course, for two days I00:37:51
waited for me They took me out for another interrogation.00:37:54
Well, I didn’t really explain why00:37:57
they took me, what they wanted from me, and you communicate with00:38:00
masons. I understood that I could00:38:02
spend two months there. Because the Taliban are in00:38:05
no hurry and, in general, don’t care00:38:07
what my plans are, what my goals are.00:38:10
trips they just live in some kind of their00:38:13
own dimension. I believe that they may00:38:15
not even know that there is such a closed jakhit for him,00:38:17
that in general they have00:38:19
some kind of higher authorities, they are in their own00:38:22
world, but fortunately it’s already00:38:26
day 3 in the morning I was taken for00:38:28
questioning by the head of the prison, they also sat me down on the00:38:32
floor of his office and he began00:38:35
to explain to me that we had accomplished a great00:38:38
thing, we had defeated the Americans, we had expelled the00:38:41
occupiers from the country, but they continue to00:38:43
pay money, including to our00:38:45
girls who oppose us, and00:38:47
taking photographs00:38:50
hits him the interests of our state,00:38:53
our people, in general, there was no long00:38:56
speech, I naturally didn’t say anything in00:38:58
response. It was a monologue, a dialogue, but00:39:03
fortunately somehow everything was resolved because00:39:05
everything was in order with my documents,00:39:07
plus they asked to call the00:39:09
Afghan assistant of the person with whom00:39:11
I he worked, he took guarantee for me,00:39:14
he signed that he was responsible for me,00:39:16
that I would no longer be00:39:18
caught doing something like that, they deleted00:39:21
these pictures with girls who00:39:22
threw stones at the Taliban, they returned00:39:25
all the things to the phone, and they very00:39:27
closely asked me to I00:39:29
checked everything that nothing was missing from me,00:39:31
that is, they were somehow emphasized00:39:33
politely, but nevertheless, it’s still the00:39:36
Taliban. It’s something like their special services. Yes, it’s00:39:39
called00:39:41
an abbreviation, it’s their General00:39:43
Directorate of Intelligence from those baratas, it’s00:39:46
called such a popular word by the way00:39:48
in general in the Middle East before the special services,00:39:51
but they are also considered one of the most00:39:53
harmful here, they can attach themselves to00:39:56
anything and keep a person in the00:39:58
dark for a long time, in general, it’s not yet00:40:00
somehow lucky you said that you weren’t00:40:02
sitting alone so that there was a man from Chechnya00:40:05
can you tell about your00:40:07
cellmates how they got there, what they00:40:10
did there, including this man00:40:12
who comes from Chechnya? Yes, there were00:40:15
only three of us, this man00:40:18
seems to me to be more than 40 years old. He00:40:20
said that he had problems with documents,00:40:22
that he had been there for a long time wanted to visit00:40:25
Afghanistan, got myself a visa somehow via the00:40:27
Internet and Apparently it turned out to be not exactly00:40:31
the document that the Taliban needed. In00:40:34
general, Apparently it was a fake and He00:40:36
was detained and, according to him, they had been holding for00:40:39
a month too. Just in the dark, he’s finding out00:40:41
some circumstances, I don’t suspect00:40:44
espionage In general, they were also treated00:40:46
extremely correctly, but due to the fact that00:40:48
the system is very cumbersome and00:40:51
clumsy, they simply hold the person for a00:40:52
month. The00:40:54
second was an Afghan young man, a relatively young00:40:57
guy, about 20-25 years old. He was detained00:41:01
on suspicion of espionage for00:41:03
Pakistan. This is a fairly00:41:04
common phenomenon in today’s00:41:06
Afghanistan because There is a very tense relationship between the Taliban and the00:41:08
leadership of Pakistan.00:41:10
And many Afghans are even00:41:13
caught on suspicion of espionage, and00:41:16
this Afghan was already there as a khatyz,00:41:19
that is, on such a Koran, in fact, in front of00:41:20
me, he personally quoted entire suras, entire00:41:24
verses of the Koran, a very interesting00:41:27
spectacle, naturally,00:41:29
five times prayer was performed and he00:41:32
did it very beautifully, I can say in a00:41:34
boring voice Well, in general,00:41:37
you’re just in this cell, you00:41:40
communicate with your cellmates, you00:41:42
discussed something and just wait, you sleep, you eat,00:41:46
they fed us three times a day, and quite00:41:48
by the way. Pilaf and beans would be nice. scrambled eggs00:41:52
for breakfast So this is a plus for the00:41:55
Taliban, but in general, of00:41:58
course, you’re just in the dark,00:42:01
and what was especially unpleasant was that you00:42:03
couldn’t contact your family, just00:42:05
let them know that relatively00:42:07
everything is fine with you, that you’re alive, which is already quite a lot00:42:10
By the way, in Afghanistan I understand how00:42:12
serious everything is. But really, when you00:42:15
started talking about pilaf, I00:42:17
can’t resist it’s like a review of prisons00:42:20
10 out of 10 Russian ones are worse. But this00:42:24
man is from Chechnya. Well, it’s a strange motivation. I00:42:26
’ve wanted to go to Afghanistan for a long time, why did00:42:29
I want to ask? he asked you to00:42:31
contact his family and tell him that00:42:33
everything was fine with him. What00:42:35
else would we have time to talk to him about? We00:42:38
really talked, he talked about how00:42:41
he lived some kind of ordinary life,00:42:44
worked, I understand that the builders, the engineer,00:42:46
went to work in Moscow Peter Well, I00:42:49
know some men from the North Caucasus,00:42:52
understanding that some have their own00:42:55
desire for some kind of travel,00:42:58
some kind of unknown experience, when00:43:01
they want to see some exotic,00:43:04
unusual country for themselves like00:43:06
Afghanistan, and I in general was not surprised by00:43:09
what He said, I just met there are already00:43:11
such people from the North Caucasus,00:43:14
including from Chechnya, who apparently00:43:16
lack sharp impressions in life. But the00:43:20
Taliban were with me, including on the00:43:23
day when I left, they promised him that in the00:43:26
near future we will release you, everything is00:43:28
fine with you and he as I understand it,00:43:31
they gave the opportunity to contact the family00:43:32
even via video link, so00:43:35
they ended up in this matter, or they would have been loyal,00:43:38
but still, this is an expectation. Yes, and I really00:43:41
hope that in the end everything00:43:42
is fine for this person and he is already free. Thank you00:43:44
very much, Ruslan, for telling us about your00:43:47
impressions and my conclusions It’s as if you and I00:43:50
had visited this interesting00:43:52
place Although I won’t hide it and I’m buzzing at the same time Once00:43:55
again thank you very much thank you it00:43:58
was the orientalist Ruslan Suleymanov once again00:44:01
I remind you that you can subscribe to00:44:02
him on telegram the channel is called00:44:04
Suleyman in capital letters00:44:06
Two moments and I will look at the00:44:09
Cyrillic letters, that is, I looked into the00:44:11
box with your emails So00:44:19
[music]00:44:21
the emails that you wrote to the00:44:23
podcast dog jellyfish.io we have00:44:25
such a tradition at the end of the episode I read00:44:28
your message and comment on them as00:44:30
briefly as possible by the way before Before I00:44:32
start reading, I remind you that in the link to00:44:36
this episode there is a material00:44:37
called how to help a jellyfish How to00:44:39
support a jellyfish from which you can00:44:41
find out why your financial00:44:44
and other types of support are important to us, there are all00:44:46
the details, including for those who00:44:48
live in Russia how to do it safely00:44:49
How to ask instead of you to support us00:44:51
financially and money is important things We00:44:55
exist at your expense there is no escape we00:44:56
have to talk about this too, but please tell00:44:58
your letters to your letters a message without a00:45:01
signature What is00:45:02
happening in Crimea Why are00:45:04
Crimean Tatars constantly being searched and detained00:45:06
What is hizbut akhrier Why the authorities of the Russian Federation00:45:08
call this party terrorist, I’m not00:45:11
sure about the word of the party, you know. These are00:45:13
extremely well-told stories for many00:45:15
years. It all lasts and is very well00:45:18
described. If you enter your questions into Google,00:45:21
you will receive both short and not very00:45:24
short, very detailed, competent00:45:26
answers. Now I don’t understand why this is so00:45:28
relevant. this topic has, we00:45:31
still have a news podcast, we try00:45:33
to respond to current events first of all,00:45:35
everything else is an exception to the00:45:37
rules, not according to the Wikipedia principle. We00:45:39
work Mitya, this is in mind, without any complaints, I’m00:45:42
just explaining the mechanism, so I have00:45:44
n’t written to you for a long time without a signature In00:45:47
general, looking at the absolutely crazy00:45:49
events in Russia, I somehow got used to the idea00:45:51
that all this is logical and the consequences are not00:45:53
limited and the short-sighted wild Putin was not00:45:55
surprised by the situation with Prigozhin.00:46:02
in memory of him, hundreds of00:46:05
people sincerely carried flowers and lamps,00:46:07
read prayers and were baptized, opened a00:46:09
new hero And a real patriot from a00:46:11
criminal, a bloody butcher living00:46:13
according to prison concepts and just a businessman from00:46:15
the nineties, that this is a desire for some00:46:17
Justice in Putin’s Russia, longing00:46:18
for Stalin’s times or a sincere00:46:20
belief in bright things Prigozhin's thoughts I'm sick of00:46:22
looking at this, I'm losing faith in the future of00:46:23
the country after Putin, I wouldn't make such00:46:26
far-reaching conclusions, you know, in a00:46:29
country of 145 million, if there are00:46:31
several hundred people who00:46:35
decided to honor such a very famous media character in this00:46:38
manner Well, nothing surprising you know,00:46:40
for every somewhat famous00:46:42
person there will probably be a certain00:46:44
number of fans,00:46:45
also maybe somewhere a memorial will be00:46:47
organized because this Podcasts00:46:50
have an audience, you see, he is00:46:52
personified, I would not draw any00:46:54
far-reaching conclusions and00:46:56
would rather treat it as to the reaction of00:46:59
fans to the pop star Prigozhin, in00:47:02
a sense, was a pop star, a00:47:03
fairly popular media character,00:47:05
do not rush to conclusions about the nature of00:47:08
Russian society or individuals00:47:11
Well, somehow this is too far-fetched a letter00:47:14
signed by devoted listeners with the most00:47:16
reverent love and gratitude00:47:17
Ksenia is so dear Ksenia writes00:47:20
Dear employees and employees of Medusa, please00:47:22
accept my sincere words of gratitude for00:47:24
your titanic endurance and efforts in your00:47:26
work. I’m really looking forward to the moment when it00:47:27
will again be possible to safely donate in00:47:30
your Media Thank you very much Ksenia If00:47:32
you have already done this and if you plan to in00:47:34
the future, I am doubly grateful to you,00:47:36
this is touchingly personal a request to the word00:47:39
grief on Dear Vladislav If you00:47:41
are not with a man, please tell us00:47:42
about your music and films00:47:44
graphic preferences I confess I have been00:47:46
tormented for a long time by the fact that I would like to know00:47:48
you not just as a host Podcasts What00:47:50
also happened as a person since00:47:51
we listened quite often, we note00:47:53
some Memories interests and00:47:55
hobbies for which you are clearly not indifferent00:47:57
about your team’s love for memes with00:48:00
wolves remembered for the decision to write00:48:02
this request led to quotes from the00:48:04
beloved group Krovostok in the last00:48:06
episode Yes, there was a creamy moment I can’t help00:48:08
but note without Irony, in my00:48:10
opinion, an excellent observation can be in00:48:12
your words to her and other listeners00:48:14
will find something that will also broaden their horizons in00:48:16
terms of music and cinema. Thank you very much00:48:19
for the attached picture with the meme wolf00:48:21
gray face impudent and signed first00:48:24
then then again Again, yes, classic00:48:28
absurdity with wolves with musical00:48:30
preferences, everything is quite boring,00:48:32
you see, I never have there were no00:48:34
cars Despite the fact that I00:48:36
had my license and I periodically entered it. And this is00:48:38
probably the most common situation when00:48:40
you can listen to something when you are locked in00:48:42
a box and are forced to turn on music. I00:48:45
repeat, this situation did not00:48:47
happen particularly regularly if I00:48:49
listened to something in on the road, and for a long time you and I00:48:51
just didn’t love. It seemed to me that I needed to00:48:53
somehow be with my own people, if we were to be together, this is00:48:55
such an opportunity and not to fill my head with00:48:57
external signals. But00:49:00
lately I’ve been listening often. I listen to podcasts00:49:02
more. I like lectures more, especially scientific or00:49:05
popular science ones, it seems I also00:49:07
said this out of musical preferences,00:49:08
sorry for the tediousness of classical and jazz,00:49:11
I remember there was a time when work was somehow00:49:14
heaped up and I realized that I just couldn’t00:49:16
switch anymore, and then I00:49:18
went out to the park and tried all kinds of00:49:20
music. Classics work best,00:49:22
they’re so grandiose I’m talking there00:49:24
for example or about Tchaikovsky Sorry00:49:27
for this simplicity that you are in00:49:30
awe of them and can really00:49:32
forget about everything without any snobbery00:49:34
I say I really love classical music and00:49:37
some of the best memories in life00:49:39
including in pre-war Moscow like me00:49:41
I went to the Bolshoi Theater the only time00:49:43
in my life I saw Mazepa on a grand scale I was00:49:46
simply delighted And also00:49:49
profileography I don’t know what to come up with00:49:52
right away as a genre I love all sorts of uniform00:49:55
legal dramas something like A Time00:49:57
to Kill Remember there was such a film from the00:49:59
mid-90s with Matthew McConaughey I was still00:50:02
young and not yet such a brilliant00:50:04
actor as I am now, and Samuel Jackson00:50:07
was also absolutely wonderful.00:50:10
This is mine. Although you know, a few years ago00:50:13
I caught myself thinking that I have to watch many films.00:50:15
I can’t help but give00:50:17
me no pleasure, but there is00:50:19
one film that is absolutely magical00:50:21
way it affects me When the TV00:50:23
was always on in my house,00:50:24
now here it is, the police and00:50:27
Although it is connected to cable television for00:50:29
some reason,00:50:32
they turned it on several times, and here for the child I00:50:34
wanted to watch football there. Well, if00:50:36
the TV was on there too suddenly00:50:38
they showed Kill Bill, I could00:50:40
start watching at any moment and did not leave the00:50:43
screen until the film ended for some reason,00:50:45
the more I watch it, the00:50:48
more I like it, some kind of magical00:50:50
effect it has on me Can00:50:52
this be considered a recommendation? Well, probably, who00:50:55
doesn’t know that Tarantino A great director,00:50:57
especially are there anyone who hasn’t seen00:50:59
Kill Bill yet? But if you ever00:51:01
doubted that this is a great film,00:51:03
try watching it again, it will00:51:05
amaze you, it’s so multifaceted or00:51:08
complex, and every time you can see00:51:10
something new. If this is, of course, my00:51:12
honest a sneak peek so Svyatoslav also wrote00:51:15
I’m watching Krovostok and that means my00:51:18
joke about dumbbells about their song00:51:21
caught many people Hello Vladislav you00:51:23
read dumbbells in the episode It’s funny, it’s a pity00:51:25
the interlocutors didn’t really appreciate it but the meaning is00:51:27
clear BB himself is causing chaos, as00:51:30
the deceased said, probably meaning00:51:32
Evgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin by lawlessness00:51:35
I would like to add that Prigozhin is a00:51:37
traitor not even because he staged a00:51:38
rebellion. He didn’t go over to the00:51:40
enemy’s side. But because he said that NATO00:51:43
didn’t want to attack us, that there are00:51:45
no Nazis there. Since we walked through Ukraine in boots00:51:48
while they were looking for the children of the elite,00:51:50
he offered to front send In general, a00:51:51
traitor because he destroyed the ideological foundation of the00:51:54
regime in general, I think you are right,00:51:57
Vladislav will not lead to00:51:58
destabilization, it’s just that a wisdom tooth00:52:00
was pulled out, and you also have a Postscript in00:52:03
which the letter, by the way, Please note that00:52:04
VV said in his speech on the death of00:52:07
Prigogine, he helped the fight against neo-Nazi00:52:09
regime in Ukraine You see, this00:52:11
could be a serious shift. Well, yes, this is a shift in the00:52:14
language norm. By the way, I didn’t notice this. There are00:52:16
a couple more letters. Let’s try to00:52:19
read them quickly since they arrived over the weekend00:52:21
so as not to delay it, you know, it sometimes00:52:23
accumulates and it takes a long time to00:52:26
sort it out. Good afternoon, dear Vladislav00:52:29
I am a regular listener of your podcast00:52:31
even more painful regularly by00:52:33
readers of jellyfish nothing painful00:52:35
useful reading I don’t know what you’re thinking about you00:52:37
understand what this means00:52:39
painfully regularly reading00:52:41
this is not about my health I really hope it’s00:52:43
not just about mine I have repeatedly written00:52:46
donations support for jellyfish and I myself rely00:52:48
on it, perhaps more than I should, to00:52:50
support my own picture of the world.00:52:51
Thank you very much for Donat and00:52:53
this person told you that’s all, thank you for your00:52:55
work again, no. Thank you for00:52:58
providing it. I am writing to you because you00:53:00
read letters and answer them in the00:53:02
podcast. What happened more than all other00:53:03
formats, I feel like I have the opportunity00:53:05
to start a dialogue, that is, to at least convey00:53:07
some excited message, I00:53:09
regularly see publications on jellyfish00:53:11
exposing Elon musk. They are00:53:13
ridiculously persistent, despite the fact that in00:53:14
most cases they are translations of00:53:16
retellings of publications of the American00:53:18
mainstream press and therefore according to in00:53:20
its form and in its content, the look of the jellyfish00:53:22
nailon mask offends me in no way during00:53:24
the day, perhaps, but in the example of a mask00:53:27
Would you like00:53:28
to comment, Vladislav, on how it can be and00:53:30
purposefully dismantle this00:53:31
political trend for populist00:53:33
criticism with overseas cliches and00:53:34
drawn in communications that look like they are00:53:36
not to say alien, extremely00:53:39
exotic for the Russian news00:53:40
agenda, the main thing is, of course, I think00:53:42
the position expressed by Medusa in relation to00:53:44
Elon mask is unfair and more than00:53:46
erroneous, treacherous, erroneous, if of00:53:48
course one can use such words in00:53:50
relation to foreign00:53:51
political phenomena only. Perhaps they can,00:53:54
that this trip presents itself, among other things00:53:56
from the pages of jellyfish as definitely00:53:57
global and worldwide, I ask you not to00:54:00
confuse me with a fan of the mask who00:54:02
does not accept criticism addressed to him,00:54:04
my question is not about him at all, but editorial about00:54:06
your politics, another Artemy, this is a letter00:54:09
from Artemy, I see in the signature, I don’t00:54:12
really catch what you mean tell you,00:54:14
it seems to you that we are overly critical00:54:15
of Elon Musk, but00:54:19
you probably yourself claim that we are repeating,00:54:22
as it were, the Western press. But if this is00:54:24
a retelling of a publication, as recently a00:54:26
very big story about Musk came out in the New Yorker,00:54:28
there a journalist worked for a year to ensure that00:54:30
write this00:54:32
material and we reproduce it, well, we’re00:54:35
probably passing something on to him, are00:54:37
we personally critical of him?00:54:39
Well, probably sometimes I’ll judge by myself00:54:42
based on some of my colleagues, of course.00:54:44
But this applies to those cases when he, well, did00:54:47
n’t do anything, he speaks out. More precisely,00:54:49
he speaks out on those topics in which he is not00:54:51
very versed and offers to take00:54:54
and divide, for example, remember how he divided00:54:56
Ukraine and said nonsense, you are at war,00:54:58
make peace with Putin Give away the territory,00:55:00
well, at this moment it is probably logical00:55:03
to tell the person that it seems you don’t00:55:06
quite understand how everything works here and00:55:07
too for you it’s easy, but for people00:55:10
on earth in the same Ukraine and even in Russia00:55:12
it’s not all that simple, it won’t work00:55:15
out. It’s too superficial to do this,00:55:17
such criticism is acceptable.00:55:20
I think this is acceptable. Forgive me, I00:55:23
’ll take a little more of your time to00:55:25
read the last letter of those00:55:27
that I currently see in the box,00:55:29
the plane in which Evgeniy Prigozhin was flying recently crashed,00:55:31
and even after00:55:33
his death was confirmed, there is no belief that00:55:35
this man really died, this00:55:37
Prigogine such money and I really don’t00:55:39
believe in his death And even that day00:55:41
another plane was flying Who was in it And00:55:43
what was the purpose of the flight of this second00:55:45
plane It would be interesting to read or00:55:47
listen to material from you on this topic00:55:49
Thank you I wish you further development00:55:50
Thank you very much for your question Well, there is00:55:54
still confirmation and the fact that We do00:55:56
n’t see Evgeniy Prigozhin anymore,00:55:58
probably somehow it still indicates00:56:00
that he disappeared. I would remember all sorts of00:56:02
passports and photographs of you in wigs. I00:56:04
wouldn’t succumb too much to this00:56:06
detective James Bond-like00:56:08
completely perception of the fact that he probably00:56:10
survived, probably escaped, probably somewhere00:56:12
Now the cocktail is tightening in Latin00:56:14
America, but no, firstly, life is simpler. And00:56:16
secondly, well, it’s probably easy to be00:56:19
such a person, a mystery, when the00:56:21
Russian state supports you,00:56:22
issues you illegal passports,00:56:24
finances it, provides some kind of00:56:26
diplomatic support or with the help of special services.00:56:28
And when you are alone00:56:31
even with money, a problem arises00:56:34
Instantly Instantly, your gigantic00:56:36
wealth in minibuses00:56:38
is discovered So no, I don’t think that00:56:41
he disappeared somewhere And that there is some kind of00:56:43
terrible mystery about who else flew away,00:56:45
of course, from this then00:56:47
whole Conspiracy Theories will be built and but probably already00:56:49
being formed but Personally, I00:56:52
don’t have any doubts that he was in that00:56:54
plane, which crashed, burned,00:56:57
fell apart, so I’m not sure00:56:59
that there’s room to dig for power,00:57:01
you can probably spend a lot, the result won’t be a00:57:04
fact that it’s stunning, thanks to everyone00:57:07
for the letters, I conscientiously read everything00:57:09
what happened at that moment there was a podcast What00:57:12
happened dedicated to news that00:57:13
remains important for a long time, write more If00:57:15
you want to share your thoughts,00:57:17
suggestions, impressions, stories00:57:19
address podcast with the letter S at the end with00:57:22
dogs All the best See you later00:57:24
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30 августа 2021 года американская армия окончательно вывела свой контингент из Афганистана. Это самая долгая война в истории США, она длилась почти 20 лет и обошлась американскому бюджету примерно в два триллиона долларов. Вывод войск формально был приурочен к 20-летней годовщине терактов 11 сентября, с которого и началась эта операция. Однако за все время присутствия в стране американцы и их западные союзники не сумели добиться поставленных целей. Глобальный терроризм не был побежден, демократизации афганского общества тоже не случилось. Во второй половине 2021 года — еще до формального завершения американского вывода войск — Афганистан вернулся под власть талибов. Спустя два года ни одна страна мира так и не признала их правительство официально. Правозащитные организации и журналисты регулярно рассказывают о жизни афганцев — о гуманитарном кризисе, систематическом ограничении прав женщин и тому подобном. В этом выпуске мы говорим о том, чем живет Афганистан, — с Русланом Сулеймановым, востоковедом и автором телеграм-канала SULEYMANOV. Он только что вернулся из поездки в Афганистан, где, помимо прочего, отсидел несколько дней в тюрьме у талибов. Как поддержать «Медузу»: https://meduza.io/feature/2023/07/12/uchimsya-ne-boyatsya-vmeste-s-vami 0:00 Приветствие 01:16 Правила визита в талибский Кабул 08:29 Про умеренных талибов 14:45 О жизни в стране 32:10 О афганской тюрьме 44:19 Письма
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