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I greet you all My name is Vadim00:00:06
Garasimovich Thank you who are you with us00:00:08
my interlocutor today is a famous00:00:10
political scientist and professor of the Free00:00:12
University in Riga Dmitry Oreshki00:00:14
Dmitry Borisovich Hello, good to00:00:16
see00:00:17
Mutually good afternoon Hello Vadim00:00:19
Dmitry Borisovich and Minister of Foreign00:00:22
Affairs Finland Elina Valtonen does not00:00:24
rule out that in the future, after00:00:27
Putin leaves the post of President of Russia,00:00:30
Russia may remain the same country00:00:33
or become even worse, she said00:00:36
in an interview with the American publication for the00:00:39
Washington Post regarding the words Even worse,00:00:42
Dmitry Borisovich still has00:00:45
aspirations, but not yet it00:00:49
really could be even worse. In my00:00:51
opinion, let’s think about it; it00:00:54
certainly can and. Honestly, I even00:00:58
think that the longer Putin retains00:01:02
his power, the more obvious the signs of00:01:05
sociocultural degradation. Well, look, for00:01:08
example, at what is happening to00:01:11
Chechnya under the leadership of the new00:01:15
medieval leader, Mr. Kadyrov,00:01:18
people are simply they are beating and they are proud of this, the00:01:22
rollback of the Middle Ages is obvious. But00:01:26
after Putin, I spoke about this several times,00:01:29
for which I was often condemned by the00:01:33
liberal public, but00:01:35
in fact, these threats can only00:01:38
increase. Well, for example, the threat of dividing00:01:42
this space, which is00:01:45
controlled only by water resources through the00:01:47
efforts of Vladimir Putin. And this00:01:51
can lead to the fact that leaders of a00:01:54
smaller scale such as Kadyrov or an00:01:57
alarmist or some00:02:00
military leader still unknown to us who00:02:04
has a power resource behind his back, these leaders can00:02:06
begin to divide among themselves. This is this00:02:09
space and there will be nothing good in this00:02:11
not only for Russia but also for00:02:14
neighbors because the territory is full of00:02:17
nuclear weapons from the point of view of the West from the00:02:20
point of view of the same Finland, a completely00:02:22
rational point of view, uh, it’s better00:02:25
to have one,00:02:27
at least even an insane leader, rather than a rooster of00:02:31
this kind of leaders in this territory,00:02:34
each of whom has an atomic bomb,00:02:37
let’s assume they leave Putin I think that Nu00:02:41
can only leave for physiological00:02:42
reasons because he will hold on to00:02:45
power until his white slippers and a00:02:50
simple question arises What is the status of00:02:54
Lukashenko on his territory there are00:02:57
nuclear weapons This person has00:03:00
absolutely similar to Putin’s not moderately00:03:04
limited power ambitions and the00:03:08
first thing he will do is, of course,00:03:09
relying on00:03:11
his Armed resources and maybe00:03:15
partly on the Wagnerites who remained with him,00:03:17
he will take control of these nuclear weapons.00:03:20
And if some00:03:22
Arkharovite like Prigozhin in Russia00:03:25
recaptures some territory there,00:03:28
also stuffed with weapons, we may00:03:31
have nuclear potential, then it is quite00:03:34
possible to get in place of this00:03:36
Putin chiefdom, if you use00:03:39
the terms of medieval anthropology,00:03:42
several leaders will appear, and they will not be of00:03:46
the best quality, and maybe even00:03:47
worse, and besides, they will00:03:50
frighten all the neighbors of the00:03:52
atomic bomb and who00:03:55
may have even fewer deterrents00:03:59
factors Putin Well, at least he understands that the00:04:04
real possibility of using00:04:06
nuclear weapons will lead to the00:04:10
rapid destruction of his power and00:04:13
his territory on the part of NATO00:04:15
because for now NATO is not fighting yet,00:04:18
contrary to what Putin’s00:04:20
Propaganda says. But if it is necessary to start00:04:23
fighting, then no one will care it will seem,00:04:25
but also to all the neighbors, too,00:04:29
because hmm, the00:04:31
nuclear threat and disturbances there, say, in the00:04:35
radiation balance, this is an00:04:38
undesirable prospect for all of00:04:40
humanity and for everyone adjacent to00:04:44
Russia, this is the horror that Putin is00:04:48
disgusting, aggressive,00:04:50
dangerous, and so on But then what will happen after00:04:53
him, given the deep contempt he formed00:04:56
and the functional weakness of00:04:59
what is called the state00:05:01
Constitution when everything is closed to00:05:03
one person? Putin’s followers00:05:06
may be even worse in this sense, but00:05:10
it is unattainable00:05:11
not worth remaining overly00:05:15
optimistic Many for some reason think00:05:17
that it is worth removing Putin and everything will work out00:05:19
No, it’s about the same as in the00:05:23
Soviet Union, removing the party00:05:26
nomenklatura, firstly, it turned out to be00:05:29
surprisingly difficult. And secondly, this00:05:31
process lasted for 10 painful years00:05:35
and it ended quite00:05:39
happily in the sense that there was00:05:41
no big war in this area arose And00:05:44
after Putin it is quite possible, and you can of00:05:47
course be happy that Russia will be00:05:50
bad, but it won’t make the neighbors much better,00:05:54
so the Prime Minister of Finland is00:05:56
quite rational in his thoughts and says00:05:58
rational things00:06:00
in the context of the topic under discussion Let’s00:06:03
pay attention to a rather00:06:04
interesting poll by the VTsIOM00:06:07
All-Russian Center for Study00:06:09
public opinion sociologists decided00:06:12
to ask Russians about their00:06:16
attitude towards Putin's departure, they ask two00:06:20
questions. The first, Putin's departure from the00:06:22
presidency will improve, will it worsen or will not00:06:25
change the situation in Russia, and the second00:06:27
question, could someone replace Putin as00:06:31
president? If so, who exactly do00:06:34
you think? and in the context of the00:06:38
upcoming elections of Putin on00:06:40
March 17, 2024, where do the legs come from and00:06:45
why, in general, does he ask these particular questions?00:06:48
Well, you need to understand what VCIOM is.00:06:51
VCIOM is absolutely about the power00:06:54
structure that lives off00:06:56
state funding and00:06:58
asks those questions and receives those the answers00:07:02
that the presidential administration needs00:07:04
are clearing uh Mr. and Kiriyenko00:07:08
who is responsible in Russia for uh00:07:11
internal policy and accordingly00:07:14
what is published in general is an element of uh let’s00:07:18
say00:07:19
ideological war or uh an instrument of00:07:23
ideological influence on00:07:27
Russian society and the goal is clear00:07:30
to record that Nothing else00:07:33
political Leader uh in Russia is impossible00:07:36
And and that support for uh00:07:40
Vladimir Putin is growing Well, for00:07:44
comparison, I’ll give you a similar00:07:47
question that was in Chechnya God knows with00:07:49
what forces he knows what00:07:51
sociological service there are no00:07:53
independent sociologists at all as a class00:07:56
But after it was shown video about00:08:00
how00:08:03
Kadyrov's son Adam beats with a piece of the flank00:08:07
a man who, from his point of view,00:08:09
committed a crime,00:08:12
humiliated the00:08:14
divine book, the Koran, and Kadyrov himself00:08:19
said that it was wrong. Well done, we need to00:08:21
defend the ideals of spirituality. Well, this is00:08:24
all in parentheses, so the question was raised of00:08:26
how00:08:27
Chechen society supports e whether these00:08:31
actions are supported or not, but it00:08:33
seems to me completely clear that the00:08:36
only question is: What figure will they show:00:08:39
120% of the population supports00:08:41
Kadyrov’s actions or only 118%. Well, it’s clear00:08:46
that the00:08:48
unity of the Chechen people around the00:08:52
Chechen leader will be demonstrated, the same thing here. Well,00:08:56
put yourself in the place of the average00:08:57
Russian citizen who answers00:08:59
this question. I’m not even touching on the topic of00:09:03
people being afraid to tell the truth00:09:05
and so on. No, but just A who is next to00:09:09
Putin The fact is that Putin and this is the00:09:12
peculiarity of the leader of the Sultan, if00:09:14
you like, such a Eurasian model of power00:09:18
that Putin is in Russia, but around00:09:22
Putin there is not a single person whose00:09:24
political stature would be higher than his00:09:28
knees.00:09:29
Pay attention in the nineties00:09:32
Yeltsin since He was a person of a different00:09:34
type, of any character, with different00:09:38
ideas about reality, he was not afraid of00:09:41
strong political opponents, next to00:09:43
him there were political leaders for every00:09:47
taste00:09:48
Zyuganov Communist ideology00:09:51
continuing with Zhirinovsky nationalist00:09:54
ideology00:09:56
Yavlinsky or Nemtsov who00:09:59
defended democratic European00:10:01
values, each in his own way a00:10:03
swan who is such a military man patriotism00:10:06
in the style of, uh, let's say the current Prigozhin00:10:10
Well, some other characters,00:10:13
none of them were in prison, none of them00:10:15
were expelled from Russia, and none of them were00:10:18
killed,00:10:20
the story with Rocklin seems to me00:10:24
unsuccessful because Rocklin00:10:26
was never strong a politician who00:10:27
posed some kind of fundamental00:10:29
threat to the regimes and I’m generally not sure that00:10:32
someone there uh eliminated him by order, this does00:10:35
n’t prove it. But for Putin we’re just00:10:39
seeing absolutely scorched territory00:10:41
and there’s no one there. Khodorkovsky expelled uh00:10:44
Navalny in the passage Boris Nemtsov was killed uh- uh,00:10:48
against this background, who else can you simply00:10:52
notice and assume as an00:10:55
opposition or an alternative to Putin? Yes, there is no00:10:58
one, therefore, of course, VCIOM asking00:11:01
this question expects a completely expected00:11:03
answer, of course, Vladimir Vladimirovich00:11:05
Putin, as Volodin said, the speaker of00:11:09
the State Duma, there is Putin, there is00:11:11
Russia, there is no Putin, there is no Russia and in this00:11:15
sense, Putin understood very well what00:11:17
he was doing when he started the Ukrainian war,00:11:20
the war unites enemies around, even if00:11:24
someone doesn’t really like Putin. And00:11:29
a person imbued with this powerful propaganda begins to seriously00:11:31
think that if not Putin, then they will come, but the00:11:34
fathers will destroy our centuries-old structures and00:11:37
so on and so on, therefore this is00:11:39
not Science at all, this is not sociology at all,00:11:41
this is a form of pressure or00:11:44
creation of public opinion, and the00:11:48
client and, in fact, the gentleman, the entire00:11:51
management, let’s say VCIOM, knows perfectly well00:11:53
what they are doing is manipulating00:11:55
public opinion00:11:57
Dmitry Borisovich regarding this00:12:00
already quite sensational and a video in00:12:02
which Kadyrov Jr., while in a pre-trial detention center,00:12:06
knocks down a00:12:08
suspected suspect. And in general,00:12:10
it is not clear who actually filmed this00:12:13
video, who, more precisely, no one and to whom, and what00:12:18
Ramzan Kadyrov wanted to prove with this publication,00:12:23
and don’t you think that one of the00:12:27
goals of this publication is the informational00:12:29
goal, it was achieved because that00:12:32
somehow everyone has already00:12:34
forgotten about these rumors and speculations00:12:38
about the state of health of00:12:41
Ramzan Kadyrov, I remember a couple of days ago,00:12:45
weeks ago they said that Kadyrov was00:12:49
dying, he was in a coma, and now everyone is00:12:53
only discussing this video.00:12:55
Well, of course, that’s how it is, which means first of all00:12:58
Kadyrov sends a signal that he is alive And00:13:01
secondly, what is even more important for00:13:02
Kadyrov himself is that he is strong, this is a00:13:06
demonstrative action, he shows everyone00:13:09
that in the coffin he has seen the so-called00:13:12
universal values and the rule of00:13:14
law, I remind you that even the former00:13:17
general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Mrs. Moskalkova,00:13:21
who is now carrying out the functions of00:13:22
human rights defenders in Russia are00:13:24
officially Putin’s defender, but she was00:13:28
forced to admit that in a rule-of-law00:13:30
state, in general, this is not accepted.00:13:32
This is actually an interesting point;00:13:35
what a loyal woman is good for;00:13:42
As you00:13:45
know, but when this goes public,00:13:47
she is forced to say Well, it’s not good,00:13:50
comrade, but for whom this is important, he is00:13:53
showing to choose everything that will be done with00:13:56
his enemies and that naturally it00:14:00
will be massive support to enjoy.00:14:01
Judging by the results of these official00:14:05
polls, who will take the risk? to say that he does00:14:08
n’t like it, but actually this is a direct00:14:10
confirmation of how far00:14:17
Putin’s Russia has fallen from the norms of00:14:21
human communication; again, in00:14:24
the nineties, this did not00:14:26
occur to anyone; for this it was necessary to go through a00:14:28
rather complicated, long, neat,00:14:32
consistent path of degradation. and under the00:14:36
leadership of Vladimir Putin and his00:14:38
Mafia, Russia has successfully passed this path. Well,00:14:42
just as it was impossible to00:14:43
imagine yourself, the00:14:46
same Yeltsin, God forgive me before his00:14:49
death, or rather, well, after leaving00:14:52
presidential powers, uh, he said that00:14:55
my main political mistake is00:14:58
the war in Chechnya, in any case, he00:15:00
admitted his mistake that there are also00:15:03
no mistakes typical of Putin, and00:15:05
Kadyrov cannot have them because he is a00:15:07
charismatic leader who takes00:15:09
only the right steps and this is also a00:15:12
sign of such medieval thinking00:15:14
Hmm,00:15:15
this cult of personality is mmm element00:15:20
Uh, well, let's say uh 15-14 centuries and what00:15:25
Kadyrov does But this is practically the same as00:15:27
what Stalin did Stalin imitated their00:15:31
actions uh00:15:33
Ivan the Terrible Ivan the Terrible imprisoned his00:15:35
opponents And when they imprison him on a bottle This is00:15:39
such an anal fecal Hmm00:15:41
sovereignty uh Great state,00:15:45
which Putin brought Russia, I don’t00:15:50
want to discuss questions, this is set by a00:15:53
genetic move or so on. It00:15:56
seems to me that00:15:57
the claim is not with the Chechen people00:16:03
and not with the Russian people, the claim is with00:16:06
those elites who00:16:07
seized the authorities, molding these people00:16:11
into what they want to see guys are molded into a00:16:14
completely barbaric tribal00:16:17
consciousness, and those who have the brains to00:16:22
think independently, they are simply00:16:24
forced to hide from this00:16:27
growing barbarism, to run away from00:16:29
it, to resist it, it is almost00:16:31
impossible, it is00:16:33
quite difficult to demand from the Chechens00:16:36
that they drill into this00:16:39
Kadyrov’s power vertical Vertical is about as00:16:42
pretty it is difficult to demand from the Belarusians00:16:44
from the North the Koreans from the Cubans or from the00:16:47
Russians that they overthrow this one here.00:16:50
Model uh which is imposed from above with00:16:54
the help of power resources, experience shows00:16:56
that until there is a split up there00:16:59
in the elites And all protests00:17:04
end simply in repression and everything but00:17:08
a split Well, sooner or later it00:17:11
will naturally take place, but it will begin Only00:17:13
thanks to Ukraine external influence,00:17:16
as is usually the case in such regimes,00:17:19
they are quite stable within themselves00:17:21
Dmitry Borisovichkola You already see the00:17:24
outlines,00:17:25
you also saw all this Where did00:17:28
Prigozhin come from, which he said in general is00:17:31
unthinkable and Presley’s words that00:17:33
the war is pointless, a war that00:17:36
cannot be won is a war, it’s Kadyrov’s head00:17:39
eating there, a man with a criminal record, he00:17:41
just00:17:42
saw what was happening on the front line, he00:17:45
put 20 thousand people there in00:17:47
order to take this same bakhmud00:17:49
symbolically demonstrated in Victory,00:17:51
but he understood that it was a dead end, it was00:17:54
impossible to advance any further; it was impossible to capture Kiev; it00:17:56
was impossible to conquer the land road to00:17:59
Transnistria; it was impossible to cut off Ukraine from the00:18:01
Black Sea; it was impossible; uh, what they were fighting for; and that’s probably what a00:18:08
huge number of colonels and generals were thinking about. Hmm, colonels and00:18:12
generals; uh, but it’s00:18:14
one thing to think differently business to act the00:18:16
same experience Kadyr Kadyrova is to blame00:18:19
e Prigogine and00:18:22
explains to them that if they00:18:24
try to do something, then an ax head00:18:27
landing on a bottle, or at best, as00:18:30
was the case with their parents high in00:18:33
Africa away from political00:18:35
activity, so they00:18:38
understand perfectly well they are in in general,00:18:41
I think I’m far from delighted with what’s00:18:44
happening. Moreover, they don’t00:18:46
get information from the radio, TV, they00:18:49
know that they’ve00:18:51
killed00:18:53
the leadership of the Black Sea Fleet00:18:55
or smashed up a meeting of00:18:59
some military regiment00:19:02
on the left bank of the river. And what’s next? Everything00:19:06
Highmars missile in this sense in this00:19:10
sense00:19:13
Ukraine are the key external uh00:19:18
Hmm00:19:19
reasons that can lead to a split in the00:19:22
elite and consequently to the displacement of Putin00:19:24
is that from within this system it is not00:19:28
reformable, not changeable and not even00:19:30
overthrown uh until some00:19:33
group of conspirators appears Well, look at the00:19:35
experience somehow the country is starving uh and00:19:39
nothing because in the elites anyone who00:19:42
raises their head a little bit immediately00:19:45
loses this head00:19:47
Dmitry Borisovich you mentioned a little higher00:19:50
90 Let's discuss the video about00:19:53
which Finnish television decided to please us00:19:56
video on in which00:19:59
Vladimir Putin, together with Anatoly00:20:02
Sobchak, is talking about just these and00:20:06
the nineties00:20:07
relaxing in a villa in the south of Finland, the00:20:12
video as a video is essentially nothing00:20:15
special. But why do you think00:20:18
Finnish journalists decided00:20:21
to publish it right now and00:20:25
perhaps you personally paid attention to00:20:28
some moments on some details,00:20:30
but I think it’s important.00:20:33
It’s important because Putin looks00:20:37
like a normal person00:20:39
with a sense of humor, with normal00:20:42
human reactions, and that’s how00:20:44
he came to power,00:20:46
he was also a00:20:48
promoter of European values.00:20:50
If you don’t be lazy and read his00:20:53
first address to the federal assembly00:20:56
as president This is, as far as I00:20:58
remember, June 2000. You won’t find00:21:02
anything there that you could find fault with.00:21:04
Yes, we need to develop a market economy. Yes, we00:21:07
need to develop State institutions.00:21:09
Yes, we need to fight crime there00:21:11
with something else. And that’s absolutely true. and uh, I would00:21:16
agree with such a problem and00:21:20
Moreover, I will tell you that Putin00:21:23
did a lot in his first two terms to strengthen00:21:27
normal institutions. Although00:21:30
little by little he began to turn these institutions00:21:33
into fake ones, such imitation ones00:21:36
begin, this is the Federation that began00:21:39
for himself, this is the00:21:41
upper house the Bundes state chamber is glad00:21:45
if, in German analogies, one speaks of00:21:48
pushing oneself under oneself, and he ended up turning this whole thing into00:21:51
such an inveterate00:21:54
authoritarian, even a totalitarian Sultan,00:21:57
whom no one can say a word00:22:01
against, so by publishing this video, I00:22:04
think the Finnish country just wanted to00:22:07
remind that he was like that such a00:22:10
Volodya Putin is one of many, now00:22:13
he is a great, powerful, irreplaceable savior00:22:16
and a dear father, now he is a leader, and at the same time,00:22:20
he still has enough sense of00:22:22
humor, sometimes it’s like a joke to00:22:24
say this, but it’s like in joke,00:22:27
she really shouldn’t be a distraction. Well, the00:22:31
leader is a man who with all his00:22:34
limbs, you family or there 1200:22:38
clung to power from her, will not give it to anyone,00:22:41
this is a man who00:22:43
filled the entire political00:22:46
space at the top because00:22:48
he sharply narrowed it, there’s simply no room for anyone else,00:22:50
and so here they say that00:22:52
this guy here, not yet bald,00:22:55
plays table tennis, uh, in00:22:58
a sense, this works for um,00:23:01
where is the sacralization of this cult of00:23:05
personality that is starting00:23:07
to build up in Russia, as I understand it,00:23:09
that’s the point when we watch it00:23:12
We understand that a completely ordinary personality of00:23:15
nothing Supernatural has00:23:17
become inflated. Do you think that in the00:23:20
near future Finnish television or the00:23:23
television of some other00:23:25
state will please us with more00:23:28
interesting00:23:30
archival footage with the participation of the same00:23:32
Putin00:23:33
Well, I don’t know whether it seems or not, that’s the00:23:36
same question If it seems00:23:38
cross, but it seems to me00:23:41
that such films, such stories exist, they00:23:45
will gradually00:23:46
appear, but I’m00:23:50
not sure that it will cure Here is00:23:53
the video that Kadyrov posted Well, in00:23:58
general, for a normal adult person00:24:00
not traumatized by some kind of difficult00:24:04
childhood00:24:05
among punks, the beating of a defenseless00:24:09
person no matter he was not because00:24:12
beating a defenseless dog on a chain00:24:14
causes simply physiological00:24:16
disgust,00:24:18
but a person shouldn’t allow himself to do this,00:24:21
this place,00:24:25
and for Kadyrov it’s a source of pride, here00:24:29
he is, he’s strong, he can00:24:31
afford it, and it’s there, a00:24:33
15-year-old brat, forgive me for the simplicity of the00:24:36
expressions that they beat a00:24:39
defenseless person,00:24:41
this is the embodiment of such00:24:44
sanism,00:24:46
now this is becoming the norm and those who00:24:50
understand that this is, in general, a mental00:24:53
illness is a00:24:56
perversion,00:24:58
they are forced to remain silent in Russia in horror,00:25:04
swallowing their own language, this is00:25:07
demonstrative, but accordingly,00:25:09
this model can only be destroyed from the00:25:12
outside. I think that yes,00:25:15
similar or similar stories from the past will appear, but00:25:20
they again work for those who are ready00:25:22
to perceive them; those who feed under the00:25:26
Putin regime and understand that their lives,00:25:28
their condition and their00:25:31
status entirely depend on the00:25:34
place this person occupies in the00:25:37
Putin hierarchy.00:25:40
they will shamefully say that Yes,00:25:42
great, that’s the way it should be. Well done Kadyrov, I’m00:25:45
convinced that all Kadyrov’s people They00:25:48
will say shoulder to shoulder, here’s a real00:25:50
boy growing up, a defender of00:25:53
spiritual values, strong,00:25:58
Well, what can you say,00:26:01
the trend is obvious degradation in the face and00:26:04
It’s dangerous, after all, first of all, the neighbors Well,00:26:08
probably everything is clear - first of all,00:26:10
dangerous for Russia with me, but no00:26:15
less so. She is dangerous for the neighbors00:26:17
if such a kid grows up under00:26:22
Kadyrov’s wing and gains power. And in00:26:25
these in these systems, that’s what it does,00:26:27
dynastic ones of the Middle Ages, and then00:26:32
under the influence then we agree that this is00:26:36
Kim in the future,00:26:38
and this is a continuation of this topic,00:26:41
journalist Ksenia Sobchak says that00:26:44
she communicated with00:26:45
Kadyrov, claims that he is alive and00:26:48
healthy, not not dissipated, very energetically00:26:51
ate cashew nuts, it’s just that you know a00:26:57
reinforced concrete indicator that with whom00:26:59
everything is okay Well, the reason for communication was00:27:03
here is a video with the participation of Kadyrov00:27:05
Jr. Kadyr, according to Sobchak, said00:27:08
that she can write anything about him, but the00:27:13
family is not allowed. This warning was said by00:27:16
Kadyrov. I won’t take the editors out of Russia for now,00:27:19
but they have already prepared all the foreign passports;00:27:21
Ksenia Sobchak wrote00:27:23
why suddenly00:27:25
Kadyrov decided to talk.00:27:28
Maybe he’s bored became why he00:27:31
chose00:27:34
Ksenia Sobchak as his interlocutor and what kind of00:27:37
warning is this: write to me00:27:40
whatever you want and don’t touch the family,00:27:43
works for such00:27:45
[music] not to00:27:48
mention the atheistic values of00:27:52
such a00:27:55
traditional society in Chechnya,00:27:59
family First of all, this is the Heritage of the family00:28:03
tribal relations00:28:06
here in politics in modern After all, no one00:28:13
discusses the role of clans of00:28:16
ethnic plans or some kind of clan00:28:20
line, as00:28:23
experts in the Middle Ages say, uh, there is00:28:26
Biden, there is Schroeder, there is uh,00:28:29
Merkel,00:28:31
probably someone might be wondering00:28:34
who the husband died or who her dad, but00:28:37
she pursues the policy that00:28:41
some part of the voters expect from her,00:28:44
some part of the party or there is the party00:28:46
that creates us, and so on, and the00:28:49
Kadyrs think in terms of the kind of00:28:52
tribal ties, so he is the leader not00:28:54
only of the Chechen people, but also the00:28:56
defenders his00:28:59
extremely talented family from which he00:29:02
comes, as he believes And from which00:29:05
the name of the initiation and there businessmen comes, it’s00:29:09
no secret to anyone that after00:29:12
leaving Russia he left his00:29:15
production facilities there and these capacities of what was00:29:17
built coincidentally went to00:29:19
some Kadyrov’s relative and00:29:23
now it will produce these00:29:24
same yoghurts. Well, naturally, over time,00:29:26
their quality will deteriorate. It’s clear what00:29:28
happens. With this opinion, but we see how the00:29:31
Kadyrov clan, Kadyrov’s00:29:33
relatives, are actually crushing the00:29:36
entire system of e-government under themselves, which is00:29:39
unthinkable, mmm, in the European system.00:29:42
Therefore yes, he speaks so courageously00:29:44
Well, I’m a politician, you can say whatever you want about me,00:29:46
but00:29:50
don’t touch my wives, my brothers’ children’s in-laws, and I chose00:29:54
Mrs. Sobchak for one reason. I00:29:57
think it’s00:29:59
very important for him to send a signal to the so-00:30:01
called European-minded00:30:03
public in Russia, which it’s00:30:05
quite big there, it’s about00:30:09
20-25, maybe even more than millions of00:30:11
people, it’s now just driven under a00:30:14
bench and sits there and shakes.00:30:16
Well, Sobchak performs this function00:30:18
by spreading this signal from00:30:22
Mr. Kadyrov, and at the same time, in00:30:26
fact, Putin himself00:30:28
understands perfectly well that the so-called liberal00:30:30
public is no longer a threat to him;00:30:33
he has brought the degradation of the00:30:35
state machine to such a level00:30:37
that only the security forces can seize power; the00:30:41
only political resource00:30:43
left is the number of bayonets that this00:30:46
or that person has behind his back.00:30:48
Well, there’s one such person named00:30:50
Prigozhin we have already seen neither money nor00:30:53
informational influence Hmm, nothing else00:30:57
works anymore.00:30:59
Therefore,00:31:00
in the absence of a free press there in the00:31:04
absence of independent courts with manual00:31:06
parties with a00:31:08
rigged election system,00:31:10
from the point of view of democracy it is00:31:13
impossible to change this regime, it can00:31:15
only be changed with the help of tanks or00:31:17
heavy machine guns military00:31:19
coup The only thing that threatens Putin,00:31:23
among other players, is that such a role as a00:31:28
power resource can be played by00:31:30
Kadyrov himself he you he wants to00:31:33
demonstrate firstly to Putin his00:31:35
absolute loyalty and therefore00:31:39
virtually in this sense In this00:31:41
case the so-called liberal or00:31:44
there European thoughts in general00:31:45
the public he shows the march00:31:48
These are quite barbaric leaders, uh,00:31:51
in the broad sense of the word, Asian uh00:31:54
traditions00:31:58
for those wise guys who will say that Chechnya00:32:02
is Europe, let me remind you that back in the 70s of the00:32:05
last century, the border between Europe and00:32:08
Asia00:32:09
passed through the shelf of the Mamanic depression, that00:32:12
is, Ordzhonikidze, the current and Vladikavkaz,00:32:14
like Grozny, were formally located00:32:17
in Asia and then, thanks to the00:32:20
normal European trend, the border of00:32:23
Europe gradually expanded00:32:27
towards the East and, for example, already there00:32:29
some part of Kazakhstan formally00:32:32
enters the territory of Europe because00:32:33
the border was moved. And in the Caucasus, it00:32:36
looked at the main on the main00:32:38
Caucasian ridge this was the eighties00:32:40
and seventies of the last century, Europe00:32:44
was expanding and thus Chechnya00:32:47
moved to Europe And now there is an00:32:49
expansion back Hmm Asian prices Nastya there00:32:52
Armenia and Georgia are gradually moving towards00:32:54
Europe Although formally they00:32:56
are located in Asia abroad, but the whole of00:32:59
large Russia is under under the leadership of Putin and00:33:02
Kadyrov, it is moving towards the system00:33:04
of priorities of medieval Eurasia and,00:33:08
in fact, the official slogan is so00:33:10
Kadyrov demonstrates00:33:13
European thoughts. What00:33:15
the flag tells people in Russia is that I am00:33:23
setting a new cultural political00:33:27
trend and within this framework of this trend, well, I00:33:30
will give I a strong leader can be with me there00:33:34
Try to fight with me but My family is00:33:37
my tribe, if there is a louse, then there must00:33:40
be a tribe His00:33:42
tribe should be grateful to him for this00:33:44
But this is all the value system of the 14th century00:33:49
Dmitry Borisovich Let's00:33:51
also touch on military topics strike at00:33:55
building of the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in00:33:58
Sevastopol as a result of which,00:34:00
apparently, the00:34:02
commander of a number of00:34:05
admirals can also remember the00:34:07
events in Kursk, there was a celebration of City Day,00:34:13
drones flew in and congratulated the00:34:15
garage, they hit the FSB building, it will turn out to be a00:34:19
publication of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the mayor of the00:34:22
city canceled the salute, and the00:34:26
military00:34:27
airfield was also damaged except Kursk, we can recall00:34:32
other events that are also actively00:34:34
unfolding, including on00:34:36
the territory of the Crimean peninsula, in my00:34:39
opinion, what can all this00:34:41
indicate and about Crimea00:34:44
Medvedev never said anything Why00:34:49
Well, it seems to me and in my opinion it is00:34:53
obvious that00:34:54
the war is turning into the00:34:57
ground war has moved into a new quality. Well, the meat grinder is working into such a phase of00:35:01
dynamic bloody equilibrium. The00:35:06
front line is00:35:08
moving but extremely slowly, but the00:35:15
missile-air technological war00:35:18
has jumped over a new quality this year and00:35:23
here there is nothing good for Russia00:35:26
because in technological terms00:35:30
it will always be to lag behind the West and00:35:32
lag behind the West, she00:35:35
quoted I mean in military00:35:38
terms on Western technologies and now00:35:41
all these same missiles that are made00:35:44
are made in Russia. They are based on00:35:47
Western conflicting ones.00:35:49
I hope in how these components on the00:35:51
curve gas are delivered to Russia with the00:35:53
help of corruption with the help of decoy00:35:55
companies Well and so on, with the help there of00:35:58
the support of China and God forgive me Iran,00:36:03
Western technologies are arriving Western00:36:06
components in Russia, but Ukraine has an00:36:08
advantage because it has direct00:36:11
access to these technologies to these00:36:14
components, so it can quickly00:36:16
set up the production of these00:36:18
modern high-precision long-range00:36:21
uh guns And the missile in particular, what the00:36:25
West gives the missile or does not give the missile is00:36:28
very important. It is precisely in this00:36:30
particular situation on the battlefield, but even more00:36:34
important is that00:36:39
production will be established on the territory of Ukraine, this is very important00:36:42
legal production of support for the West00:36:44
these modern weapons are00:36:48
also naturally done in Russia, but there00:36:51
all this is more expensive, takes longer and is less successful,00:36:54
because the fact that they hit the headquarters of the00:37:00
naval forces so precisely means the00:37:03
highest degree of00:37:05
information and technological00:37:06
saturation because, firstly, you need to00:37:09
have agents among among the Russians00:37:14
military who will say that tomorrow at00:37:16
10:00 am there will be a meeting in this house and in this00:37:19
wing of it; secondly,00:37:22
within the next few hours, it is necessary to very00:37:25
quickly organize a complex attack00:37:28
on this place at exactly 10 with distracting00:37:32
launches of blanks in order to00:37:35
overload the air defense system there and accurately00:37:38
place two missiles like a ball pocket00:37:42
there is a rather interesting version00:37:45
of what happened, a Ukrainian mixture referring00:37:47
to the Partisan movement,00:37:49
you write that it was Russian00:37:51
officers who helped Ukraine strike the00:37:54
headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in exchange for a00:37:57
monetary reward. How much exactly00:38:00
they paid for such information is not00:38:02
specified but the Partisans started And that00:38:04
this is enough to cover all the00:38:06
risks for officers and their families00:38:09
Well, I don’t know if it’s possible to say that00:38:12
some money can cover all the00:38:15
risks for families. I think this is a00:38:18
wording00:38:19
Controversial But the fact that there was00:38:21
some kind of It00:38:26
seems obvious to me that the agents are of a fairly high level and well-informed.00:38:28
How else could one understand00:38:30
what time and who and where00:38:34
this meeting will be held? Of course, this is the work of the so-00:38:37
called special services; in general, this is00:38:40
also an element of modern00:38:42
high-tech warfare. We need to00:38:44
find these people, a source of information.00:38:46
you need to check them and so on, it’s00:38:50
not only that when you received this00:38:52
information, you need to very quickly and very00:38:54
clearly00:38:55
involve a huge number of services so that00:38:58
they organize this strike at exactly this00:39:00
time in exactly this place and so that Hmm00:39:03
the air defense does not shoot down these missiles, again a00:39:06
very high level of what is00:39:08
called00:39:09
any interaction, but Russia does00:39:13
n’t have this on the battlefield; the00:39:15
same thing basically00:39:18
happens during counter-battery warfare,00:39:21
because you need to record the location of00:39:24
mobile00:39:26
artillery installations; for this you need00:39:28
drones to get this information quickly to transmit it to00:39:32
other branches of the military so that they can pick up00:39:36
what hit there with a Hymers or a helicopter, an00:39:39
airplane or some kind of artillery00:39:41
shells,00:39:43
barreled artillery, make a decision and00:39:47
all this, all this must be very highly00:39:49
automated, technologically advanced,00:39:51
acts as a single mechanism very00:39:53
quickly, all these centric war and it00:39:57
works, it works, so all the time00:39:59
there are complaints from the outside Russian00:40:03
military officials about Contra00:40:05
battery war and it works in00:40:08
another sense banquet war00:40:11
Putin’s troops have a lot of missiles and00:40:14
produce a lot of them but they are of lower00:40:17
quality so they end up in00:40:19
residential areas God knows where numbness they00:40:22
aim accurately sometimes they hit the right place00:40:25
here too there’s no need to simplify situation,00:40:28
but in general, the00:40:29
long-term advantage in this00:40:31
technological missile-based computer00:40:34
network-centric war is of course on the00:40:38
side of the West and on the side of Ukraine,00:40:40
but it doesn’t show itself so quickly, it’s00:40:43
just starting to show itself. Well, we00:40:47
saw successful strikes on Minsk on00:40:50
Rostov about the submarine I’m already I00:40:52
’m not talking about the cruiser Moscow, it’s all00:40:55
worth a lot, it again needs to be found,00:40:58
organized, and accessed,00:41:03
very complex00:41:05
technological information problems00:41:07
have to be solved, but it seems like Ukraine00:41:10
solves them more successfully than Russia, here you can00:41:13
paraphrase Putin, who said00:41:16
that we haven’t started anything seriously yet,00:41:18
we haven’t started anything yet they didn’t start anything seriously00:41:20
because they are still giving us attacks.00:41:22
By the way, Zelensky, based on the results of00:41:25
his visit to Washington, said that00:41:29
Ukraine has agreed on the joint00:41:32
production of weapons and there is, if you believe the00:41:35
American media there, still00:41:36
encouraging information regarding the00:41:38
provision of00:41:40
these long-range missiles to the armed forces of Ukraine Atakams and00:41:43
Alexey Danilov, this is the national00:41:46
security council of the defense of Ukraine, who said00:41:48
that if the Ukrainian army00:41:51
uses it, it will not be on the territory of Russia.00:41:55
Although a number of public pages there00:41:59
inform about certain attacks on00:42:02
Crimea, they already write about the fact that00:42:05
Atakamians are flying, although there is no official message about00:42:07
that that they have00:42:09
not been given yet00:42:11
Well, I think that this is indeed a very00:42:15
important restriction and I think that Ukraine00:42:18
will comply with it.00:42:20
Because it00:42:23
would be completely unreasonable for the same00:42:25
baidan to expose his administration before the elections00:42:28
to criticism from the00:42:30
Republicans, who will already00:42:32
actively criticize it very much And the criticism00:42:35
is related to the fact that Ukraine is violating00:42:38
the agreements. Therefore, I think that these00:42:40
Atacama and all other missiles will not00:42:44
fly on the territory of the00:42:45
internationally recognized territory of00:42:48
Russia. Well, they will fly to the Crimea, they will00:42:53
fly on the territory of the DPR LPR because00:42:56
this is the internationally recognized00:42:57
territory of Ukraine which captured00:43:00
Russia, and at the same time, I would draw attention00:43:03
to the fact that00:43:04
six months, maybe a year ago, Medvedev00:43:08
and many others said that00:43:11
striking Russian00:43:14
territory there, and they consider Crimea to be Russian00:43:17
territory, would be accompanied by00:43:20
some terrible actions, crossing00:43:23
red lines and striking blows to the00:43:26
decision-making center and so on,00:43:29
Ukraine has definitely broken through this00:43:31
border,00:43:32
a blow not only to the Crimea, the destruction of the00:43:36
S-400 there on the00:43:39
southern shores, a blow00:43:43
to the heart. I mean such a heart, a00:43:47
symbolic figurative heart of00:43:50
the sovereign rhetoric, Sevastopol, a city of00:43:53
Russian words, not only Samara00:43:56
Sevastopol itself is as precise as00:43:58
surgeons at the00:44:01
headquarters of the navy. Well, where are these00:44:04
red lines and where is the00:44:07
retaliatory strike at the center of00:44:09
decision-making? Ukraine is hitting at the center of00:44:12
decision-making and Putin has nothing to answer with. I do00:44:15
n’t think it’s because he’s afraid of something00:44:17
as the patriotic public writes,00:44:19
she accuses him of having00:44:21
reached an agreement with Biden or someone00:44:23
else and therefore is afraid. I think he simply00:44:25
can’t, if they helped, they would probably00:44:28
try, well, probably the same00:44:30
more advanced air defense systems that are00:44:35
supplied by The West they00:44:39
are neutralizing this threat that they so much00:44:42
dream about and dream about Turbo00:44:45
Patriotic public they only00:44:46
talk about this Raze Kiev from the face of the earth00:44:50
get to now let alone get to00:44:54
Lev to Lvov00:44:55
raze Lvov to the ground And even better with00:44:59
Medvedev yes yes in the past the year doesn’t00:45:02
work, it doesn’t work, the technology is not00:45:05
enough, and I think that there are no moral00:45:07
principles00:45:09
restraining and are not purely00:45:11
technological, the hands can’t reach, but00:45:14
Ukraine can reach, and the most important thing,00:45:16
of course, is not how many of these00:45:18
Atacamaans Ukraine will receive. Well, a few00:45:21
dozen00:45:22
would be good, of course, hundreds, what matters is that00:45:27
Ukraine must establish and apparently00:45:30
is establishing expanded production of these00:45:33
missiles, but of course this00:45:36
will take some time, and in this sense,00:45:38
Putin’s reasoning that a00:45:41
long-term war designed to00:45:44
deplete resources is to his advantage00:45:46
seems deeply erroneous because in00:45:49
developed societies the same thing the same time, in terms of00:45:52
length, brings more fruit in00:45:57
comparison with more conservative00:45:58
structures in the same year, Ukraine00:46:07
will, by definition, be ahead of Russia in the production of new high-precision types of weapons, but00:46:09
another thing is that for every day of war,00:46:12
Ukraine pays there with dozens of00:46:15
people’s lives and in There are four times more people in Russia00:46:19
than in Ukraine and,00:46:21
accordingly, this is a really00:46:22
serious threat. But again, people00:46:25
need to be trained, armed,00:46:28
forced to master new networks,00:46:32
centric methods of weapons And all this does00:46:34
n’t work for Putin’s army, so Well,00:46:38
yes, they are forced to carry out the so-00:46:40
called meat assaults And this is also00:46:42
a problem, by the way, because yes,00:46:44
Putin needs to present victory to his population, but there is00:46:47
nothing to present it with, so00:46:52
Shoigu and Gerasimov, who report to him, are00:46:54
driving people away, ill-prepared00:46:59
assault00:47:00
trying to return there back00:47:04
or Andreevka there00:47:08
and Contrary to all the traditional rules of00:47:11
war, the advancing country or Counter the00:47:14
opposing side Putin loses00:47:22
a lot compared to the defending side when00:47:25
Ukraine advances, again contrary to the00:47:27
rules of war, the00:47:28
attacking country loses less than00:47:31
the defending side. Although what is interesting is in00:47:35
those same patriotic public pages00:47:38
that Ukraine’s losses are many times greater than00:47:42
Russia’s losses, a00:47:44
completely obvious fake, but they are00:47:47
happy to discuss this topic suck in and00:47:50
believe This is the most interesting thing for me:00:47:54
people live in a completely fictional00:47:57
space and do not want to see00:47:59
reality because reality is against00:48:02
their value system, reality00:48:07
inflicts a very00:48:09
painful defeat on them in the mental sphere,00:48:12
so they are ready to believe in any lies00:48:16
and are not ready to believe in dry facts and in00:48:20
this sense, Ukraine is also an advantage;00:48:23
political scientist and professor of the Free00:48:25
University in Riga Dmitry Oreshkin was00:48:27
with us today at the Polytechnic00:48:29
Dmitry Borisovich Thank you for this00:48:31
conversation and also grateful to all our00:48:33
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