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quality, but I didn’t care about the cookies, it was

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that I was listening to Morgenstern and Baldan

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plans to return to politics, they

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needed this interview when there is a

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split between the elites, internal affairs,

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external players are actively interfering, they are

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simply

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systematically ruining the president,

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the problem of power is not Poroshenko,

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Medvedchuk there or Akhmetov, the problem of power

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is this is an

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unfulfilled promise

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[music]

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we are on online politics, hello, I am

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Inga Misery,

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Ruslan Bortnik, director of the

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Ukrainian Institute of Politics, joins me in the studio

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in about a good day, so we are on YouTube, so we

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also discuss trends on

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YouTube and here on tab number 1 now

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Dmitry Gordon's interview with Andrei

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Bogdan, in your opinion, did we learn

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from there some important points that

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maybe reveal something to us in

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current politics in general, your

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impressions,

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words, he was a knowledgeable person and for

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me there is a huge huge difference between his

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first interviews current in Odessa, the

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first interview, you feel once

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you know such a stamp of power on a person, a

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person who is his, he left the system,

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but he still has information from him,

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this gloss of power,

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participation or awareness of the process

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that Denis shows and there was a more

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substantive interview, this interview with me

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it seems to be of very low quality, but it did

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n’t appeal to me, it was such that I

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listen to Morgenstern only in

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politics, what is the quality and language, what are the

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topics discussed, what is

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the terminology used,

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nothing new, nothing resonant, very

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bright and the participation of brutal vocabulary and

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such, in general, two courtyards, my style of

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communication that is, when you talk about

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quality, you mean the quality of the guest

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who

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somehow lowered his quantity from the

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first, he probably decided to look like such a

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guy, but there was a clear overkill, an

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obvious overkill, nothing new, by and

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large, nothing like that, or on Lenovo the new one is

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very dubious

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there is little marginal quality there, which I personally

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know, so I very much doubt this

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information, I can’t say I personally

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know Gra Gora and because Avakov

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was fired because of Braga because Bra

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Gora’s mother is a nanny in Zelensky, I’m

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doing very nothing or not a nanny,

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but if there is a choice you know, his mother works

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to pay attention to him at a very adult age

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and as far as I know, no, she still

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went to do something else, but I ca

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n’t keep him one hundred percent

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because maybe it was maybe where

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she worked, maybe there are other connections,

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but it all looks so petty

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I’m even more inclined to

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the version that Avakov was fired after all, what

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Avakov said to his entourage and there

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were a lot of problems, the final point was

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these detentions of deputies from and the servants of

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the people were driving in some kind of incorrect

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state, there was also a whole cycle of these

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problems, not only a lot of Brahmin it was all a

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galaxy, but if cooking comes back,

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yes, there, even before the Trukhina case, others were

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constantly stopped there 44, the case

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actually happened, and now, but the interview itself is

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she does

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not give nature answers to questions from the

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archetype and the architect of the system, which

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is Bogdan in relation to corruption in

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relation to the principles of operation of this system

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and the principles of decision-making within this

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system in relation to responsibility, in the

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end it seems to me that Bogdan was

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not even ready to rethink his role in

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the situation when he came out and said he was

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wrong here here here we were wrong

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we were wrong and that’s all all around are bad, that

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is, they are

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emotional assessments there using

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pseudo-medical terminology,

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well, as it were, and probably everyone even catch on

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to this interview, something difficult, I say the

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feeling was that I was listening to Morgan regularly,

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just translated to

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some kind of political release I was

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raising or what

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the parties needed,

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Gordon was probably looking for, let’s

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say, tools or an interlocutor

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who could act as such an icebreaker

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against the authorities, that is, you say

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some kind of information discrediting the authorities,

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and Baldan plans to

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return to politics, this interview

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was necessary for society and for whom - then

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it doesn’t carry anything so valuable,

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it’s interesting from the point of view of many

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hints, but many of the things that you

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said were expressed in this interview,

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as for me, are not obvious lies, and

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therefore even hints are difficult for me

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to analyze for you, I don’t want to

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quote them on air today because I’m not

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sure that this is true to

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some extent,

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I’ll also think that Bogdan is the

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architect of the system, the nonsense

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Zelensky’s system becomes scary for, that

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is, if you’re not scared for this system,

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looking at the level of

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this architect,

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who has never

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been a lawyer, she’s becoming It

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becomes terribly scary how we are

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due to what the spout continues to

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function. An

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interesting point is where they talked about the

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oligarchs and, first of all, Akhmetov,

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that they appointed someone to blame

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for all the problems with energy, and

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that’s the whole problem, how much do you believe

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that the situation is not exactly like that,

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of course because that in the crisis with

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Akhmetov, I knew somewhere else in early

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July and

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only decided on the format of the splashing out of

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this crisis, will it be media, will there be

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these other formats, believe me,

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the reaction of the alloying tools

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was many on the sides, both economic and

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semi-criminal,

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the question is broader and the question is what will be

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a state and this issue was decided by the

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richest and most politically influential

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person in the country,

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one side saw this state of a

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leadership type should be where there is no

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place for economic competition,

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first of all, competition for

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economic resources and, as a consequence, the

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absence of competition for economic

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resources should not be a place for and

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political competition,

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another country insisted on maintaining the

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current balances that have developed

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between the Ukrainian oligarchs, I

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choose my words very carefully, so it will be slow and

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opposed the strengthening of one of them

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surrounded by the president, and

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of course, of course, and in the final somewhere at the peak of

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this dialogue, often behind the scenes dialogue,

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I have to repent of what - the moment of the

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moments one side came to the understanding

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that it was

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impossible to realize its goal to achieve its goals without suppressing the other side, or a conditional conflict is more

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profitable because the conflict allows you

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to shift the center of balance, the

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agreement will allow you to form

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agreements based and, to a greater extent, on

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your position, that’s the reason the

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future of our state was being decided,

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will it be a mano model, a

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personal individual model in everything,

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or will it remain our current league-

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cracy

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when power is actually divided

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between the authorities,

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public figures,

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major economic players and

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external partners in

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what the country will be like, so consider that

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Akhmeta universally decided the future of the future

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regime of the state and when

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defining, they still

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define it by exchanging these

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information blows and

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trying to intimidate each other and by playing

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such muscles, while such figures as the

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sponge are not offended by me and now I will

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explain my position, many of our viewers

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such figures as Gordon, I don’t know who else

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we are there let's Avakov remember the mind of

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someone Gendry and Bogdan are simply

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pieces on this board which

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rearrange the

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handles of these two key players and I,

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you know, I, you know mine and the

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negative assessment of the activities of

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Zelensky's team, but play this game

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to be cannon fodder with figures

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I don’t want these boards, which is why I’m trying to

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carefully and calmly analyze what’s

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happening in our country because

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I’m sure that in the end the conflict between the

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main politician and the main

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entrepreneur of our country will end in

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peace,

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but those people who act today as

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figures are not even pawns volumes of lags or

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rounds or even a bishop or a queen in this

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game, they would ultimately simply be swept away from this

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board and a new set of pieces would be placed there

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for a new new balance

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of this situation, what kind of balance will we get, well,

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inside Ukraine there is a

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bipolar world and President Akhmetov or the

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center of influence there will be more networks

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as long as we have a multipolar world in the country,

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despite the fact that the president and his team

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have concentrated enormous powers and

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not the

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real full power in reality they do

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not own the real power

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is often in the hands of various kinds of protest

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to the game of political players to the oligarchs and we

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understand this purely as long as the model

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remains This is how the president and

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his team are laying claim to a

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unipolar world in this system,

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internal players and externally it is

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against such a strengthening of Zelensky because

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for some it means that there will

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only be Zelensky and for others it

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means that the

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possibility of restoring the system Olya

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Kuchma that is if there is a

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strong leader in Ukraine, sooner or later he will come into

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conflict with external interests too,

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so everyone is trying

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to limit the president in the dictionary, that is,

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to isolate him within the framework of

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his real powers somewhere, but no more, no

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more, and at the same time not destroyed

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it because today it’s yours and

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about the strange dialogue it turns out

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because both 1 preview of the country’s entrepreneurs and

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Western partners understand that they destroyed

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this team sharply sweeping away with it and and they

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destabilize our country than

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other external players can be used and

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not in their interests than tritely can

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Russia be used by anyone anyone

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therefore such you know goes either weakly

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very tough friction with a sincere

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madman with pressure madman but

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still this confrontation does not happen

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in the open does not come in the open form of

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Akhmetov no one searches no one

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arrests no one from him nothing

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takes away metal from one side on the other

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side, turns off their

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power plants for me, or doesn’t help

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organize mass protests, which is

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also not difficult for him, so there’s

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crazy friction going on without a head-on collision yet.

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These figures in this situation, we

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understand that the demand for a fight against the

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oligarchs among the people It’s been a long time since we even

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remember the previous presidential

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elections from the program and de-oligarchization

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was carried out by Yulia Tymoshenko and this point

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was supported by many of those who voted for it,

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those who voted against it

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now when Vladimir Zelensky

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finally outlined

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this war with the oligarchs, but we know that

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Medvedchuk was the first to go there and so how did the

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second one go Akhmeta I understand it will be 3 4

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or there won’t be a question about how the situation will be

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with Kolomoisky after all but at the moment

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when he started this war we now

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have an enemy at the gates some

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perfect new negotiations the United

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States of America are starting to pedal

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the Norman format for the implementation of the Minsk

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agreements, can we say that now

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the president

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is fighting on two fronts and

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some of these wars will be doomed,

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you are simply saying unpleasant things, the

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historical pattern of Ukraine is simply being repeated

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when there is a split between the

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elites, internal affairs are actively

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interfering with external players, some of them

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are calling internally self-made players

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Hetman and, relatively speaking,

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illegitimate sons begin to bring the

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Poles Tatars anyone they can, the

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Swedes will be able to attract here to

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solve their internal problems or the

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Russian, it doesn’t matter the list there is long,

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look at what they need, read our

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history, part of the mission of the mirrors, they simply take

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advantage of the weakness, feeling this split

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that leads the weaknesses of the state do not

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begin to take advantage of the weakness, this is a

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historical pattern of Ukraine that is

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actually thousands of years old, since the time of the

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princely state, it

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is repeated again and again, century after century, this is how it was

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in the twentieth century, the

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Winner period, when the

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Poles, the Germans, the Entente in the south of Ukraine,

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pulled everyone here to solve their problems,

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directory Polyakov Skoropadsky Germans

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understand home, this situation

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is repeating itself today again and this is a huge

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tragedy and at the root of this lies a split in the

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elites, that either you cannot

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agree on the rules of the game among yourself and

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thus critically weaken our

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state, it’s clear, do you still remember

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Kolomoisky’s playful speech when they return

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only in Ukraine he talked about how

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Russian tanks could come here,

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he said that such a powerful Russia has

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turned up to go together with Zelensky in

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1919, that is, our Egor he is

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constantly and Dima, when pressed on,

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constantly demonstrates his readiness

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to rely on external players and

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due to their political weight the system is

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unrealistically capable of delivering to the

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external player of this part, since in

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parallel this is being superimposed on us by the

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epidemic crisis and geopolitical

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shifts because it is obvious that the

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United States is not weakening so much, the

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role in the United States is changing, that is, the promotion of

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global democracy is already in the past,

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today the United States is still proceeding due to the inertia of Trump

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despite the fact that he lost the elections and

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she is protecting her

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national interests, she is no longer a

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global leader or head of a global

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state, today the USA is the main

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state and the strongest, the

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largest, but without such an already expressed

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head of claims to global leadership,

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this is a new super national

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state, American the basis of the

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doctrine on the turn that was

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after the defeat in Vietnam,

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this state is inclined to

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tactical agreements with other

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states, that is, it is again inclined

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not to consider the whole world; this is our basis for

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dividing the world into zones of influence and we

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see the dialogue that is going on between the USA

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and

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Russia and so 1 dialogue about zones of influence about the

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boundaries of these zones of influence that's

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all there is no more dialogue about

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democracy and human rights

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principles of international organizations where did you hear

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this when was the last time you heard it

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they are making words superfluous

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even such words have disappeared what they fed

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us the last time decades

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she has already gone absolutely not beating as

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she for the sake of anarve in short she she she the

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organism

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and has already become his it is gone and of course in this

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situation there is still an additional crisis for

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Ukraine because the United States is constantly making it

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clear to Ukraine that they are building in a new

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agenda where you can be a

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fiat coin but the items to

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balance the trades with Russia are to achieve

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some tactical agreements, that

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is, relatively speaking, we will not completely

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abandon you, but your policy towards

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Russia must change, and in general, the

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main thing that has happened over the last two

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weeks in this dialogue is the USA, Russia, Europe

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and Ukraine there there are a lot of rumors, few

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very specifics, and the main thing is that the only thing

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that happened in this dialogue was

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Biden’s statement about the red lines of the United States in

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relation to Ukraine that there

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will be no military assistance, this is the only

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specificity that was voiced in

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relation to Ukraine, America will

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not send its soldiers here, although save your

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military and economic assistance is that

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red line, the line of intervention

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that the United States has conducted today in relation to

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Ukraine, this is a parameter of the new world of a different

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attitude towards Ukraine, and since our

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elites continue to be unable to calm down to

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some extent, that is, they have become hostages of

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their own narrative in their own propaganda

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that they carried out supported for many years and

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they continue to demand from the United States and Western

00:18:05

partners either membership in the EU and

00:18:07

NATO to demand Perry a military

00:18:09

presence on the territory of Ukraine, which

00:18:11

today does not correspond to them in terms of prices in

00:18:13

national enterite and national

00:18:15

interests, since they are cola

00:18:16

negotiating with Russia in the face of

00:18:18

China, then we get kicks regularly

00:18:23

start offshore and Wagner Gate,

00:18:26

ending with a direct statement to the forehead and we

00:18:28

won’t defend you, we will help you

00:18:30

defend yourself at best, but

00:18:33

can you with our help defend yourself

00:18:35

against Russia is a question not only open,

00:18:37

understandable and transparent, it’s unlikely that this is a question, the

00:18:40

answer is the main thing that today we and

00:18:42

Western Russia are drawing their own lines,

00:18:45

external lines of intervention and me and

00:18:47

external lines of control and yes, and Tass is

00:18:50

another problem for Zelensky because

00:18:53

we cannot build, we cannot find a

00:18:54

model for building him, this new system on the

00:18:57

one hand we cannot refuse

00:18:59

our elites may abandon the course towards

00:19:01

anti-Russia, but they have not yet found a course towards Ukraine;

00:19:04

they still do not know what

00:19:07

our country should be like; they know that it is only

00:19:09

possible to rebuild from Russia; by

00:19:10

and large, they have not begun to build our

00:19:12

country until now; on the other hand,

00:19:15

Western partners and clearly understand that

00:19:17

we have not become part of the Western world,

00:19:19

unlike Porsche or even Romania

00:19:21

or even the Baltic countries, we have not

00:19:24

become part of the Western world, at best we

00:19:27

will be their periphery, informal

00:19:30

and the periphery is a zone of influence that is

00:19:32

not about which they are ready to conduct a dialogue with

00:19:34

Russia today, excuse me for such an

00:19:37

extensive description, but I will try to give

00:19:38

our viewers so that they understand this

00:19:41

conceptually, how I think about my this about yes,

00:19:43

I can also chew, look then

00:19:47

Zelinsky and at such a stretch we still

00:19:50

understand that there are some compromises in

00:19:54

the agreements between the USA, Russia and

00:19:56

Germany,

00:19:57

well, everyone agrees to them, and Ukraine,

00:20:00

obviously, will agree to them, and

00:20:03

when

00:20:06

absolutely everything is against you, I mean murray countries, I’ll

00:20:11

tell you, but look, that is, we have, let’s

00:20:14

say so there,

00:20:17

well, let’s call it because the calculations are blue and there are

00:20:22

orange, well, let’s say those who are there and

00:20:25

later and there are oppositional to any quarter of

00:20:30

ideology which

00:20:32

is a very very rough incorrect

00:20:34

description, but our viewers will understand that it is growing

00:20:37

necessarily, that is, this side of politics

00:20:41

in public figures will talk about

00:20:43

what

00:20:44

compromises there, for example, regarding

00:20:46

the Donbass and this is not enough to

00:20:49

stop the war in order to

00:20:52

integrate our people, and the other

00:20:55

side, which with a nationalist

00:20:57

more and more militant way of life

00:21:00

will say that there are too many

00:21:02

compromises,

00:21:03

that we are surrendering my interests of Ukraine, how can

00:21:07

Zelensky

00:21:10

hold on to everything? in power and the date to get

00:21:15

our country off the ground,

00:21:17

Zelensky had a chance not to hear these two

00:21:21

countries go their own course at the beginning of his

00:21:24

term, 73 percent of support allowed

00:21:26

him to do anything, that is, now

00:21:29

there is no longer now a huge risk such that

00:21:32

torture 2 irreconcilable, unconnected countries

00:21:37

that it’s very difficult to communicate with

00:21:40

each other, they don’t want to

00:21:42

communicate often, that these countries

00:21:45

will become de facto countries,

00:21:47

that you two sides will become

00:21:50

de facto countries, that is, it can be

00:21:52

used against Ukraine to divide

00:21:54

our country, and until today it sounds

00:21:56

very difficult, very bad

00:21:58

It seems like an unrealistic scenario but

00:22:00

believe me 10 years ago the war in Crimea

00:22:03

the war the war in Donbass the annexation of Crimea

00:22:05

didn’t even sound like science fiction just

00:22:08

some kind of nonsense unfortunately

00:22:11

today we are politically already formalized into raw

00:22:14

two countries and

00:22:17

this is very bad for now it’s regional it’s

00:22:20

regional or is it original this is

00:22:24

original mentally two different types of

00:22:27

consciousness collectivist eastern

00:22:29

Ukrainian urban technological

00:22:33

pragmatic and rational

00:22:36

multinational this is this this is

00:22:39

eastern this is you the east and south of Ukraine

00:22:42

patriarchal traditionally

00:22:44

conservative

00:22:46

ethnic

00:22:47

very

00:22:49

oriented maximum European-oriented

00:22:54

consciousness of western central Ukraine

00:22:57

this is the

00:22:59

section for her to no one said and

00:23:02

I think that many will write from the radio

00:23:04

that this is not true, look at how

00:23:06

embroidered shirts are walking there in the east of Ukraine, I

00:23:08

send them straight to the twenties to

00:23:10

Kramatorsk to look at photographs, at least

00:23:12

there is a parade of embroidered shirts, a march of embroidered shirts

00:23:14

in Kramatorsk to spend the 20s under

00:23:16

Soviet rule Believe me, despite

00:23:18

all this external props, that is,

00:23:22

this section is very deep, it’s Min

00:23:24

Tallinn, these are two different ones,

00:23:28

even I don’t even know where to communicate with a predator,

00:23:31

even to communicate with him in

00:23:33

Ukrainian and in Russian, you can feel

00:23:36

what region he’s from, that is, you

00:23:38

definitely feel it what region

00:23:41

can I say, yes, I’m there as a

00:23:44

Luhansk resident, in any case, this definitely

00:23:46

applies to displaced people, the

00:23:49

huge number of displaced people there are

00:23:52

much more, they are Russian-speaking, but they are

00:23:56

much more nationalists than

00:24:00

many people already understand this cube back 1 of

00:24:03

Ukraine to understand and something complex that

00:24:06

is you to publish prove that it’s even

00:24:08

more exaggerated to prove that we are

00:24:11

patriots with a

00:24:14

complex in many people, unfortunately, a

00:24:17

complex in addition to some of them

00:24:19

this is a trauma because they lost

00:24:21

everything in Lugansk in Donetsk and sincerely

00:24:23

hates the new you that is there

00:24:25

because she took everything from them, that

00:24:27

is, it’s best to hate precisely the

00:24:29

pieces of the beginning, we have gone too far,

00:24:31

this dialogue and this section which is

00:24:33

mental, cultural, it is to a lesser

00:24:36

extent politically, do not pay attention

00:24:38

to the good results of many parties here

00:24:40

and there because these are often not

00:24:42

administratively regulated

00:24:44

the results are that it could be an

00:24:47

element of a compromise between Russia and

00:24:49

the West,

00:24:50

that is, Russia offered this

00:24:52

compromise in the form of once federalism

00:24:54

ferrari federation of Ukraine

00:24:56

then it did not pass as an admixture; today,

00:25:00

unfortunately, it can be formalized in the

00:25:02

form of simply a division of a banal country,

00:25:04

and we are not we will be able to find a new model of

00:25:08

cohabitation if we cannot find

00:25:10

a model in which everyone is comfortable in

00:25:13

which the dictionary is Russian-speaking they

00:25:14

feel discriminated against me in

00:25:16

which there is no discrimination in the

00:25:17

religious sphere in which there is

00:25:20

some kind of common vision of a consensus claim

00:25:22

not shared they do not plant her

00:25:25

vision where ours country and how

00:25:29

complex conversations are going on, I understand this conversation is

00:25:32

also archaic and somewhat

00:25:35

scary, but I regularly feel

00:25:38

like Cassandra when you say it,

00:25:41

you say it in five years, it works

00:25:43

in three years, it works, we will

00:25:45

continue to work in Sandra’s can mode for

00:25:47

smart people to they were preparing for

00:25:50

because not much could happen to us

00:25:51

and for the Siena today

00:25:53

complex accumulated anti-rating rating is

00:25:56

no longer high there is a crisis by the right-wing

00:25:58

patriotic segment created

00:26:00

created by waves of discredit

00:26:02

information there is a desire to retain

00:26:05

power at any cost all this has led to the fact

00:26:07

that there is room for maneuver which

00:26:09

which ultrasound fishing line when he

00:26:11

came, you know the magnitude of the earth's

00:26:13

size, then the field for maneuver was

00:26:15

the globe and the Vienna court was

00:26:18

accepted all over the world today narrowed

00:26:21

to a very small lawn in the

00:26:24

back yard of the president's office, all that was left was

00:26:26

to try to maneuver on it

00:26:29

trying to just not to cause a

00:26:31

deep political crisis in someone and

00:26:33

to retain power, while even the

00:26:36

Western media are actively writing today about the

00:26:40

mistakes of the government team, including

00:26:43

many of them who consider I today to be yours, then I

00:26:45

looked further about the column there, it could

00:26:47

be ordered from him, we honestly understand this, but

00:26:49

this This is not the first publication, they consider

00:26:52

erroneous games and the Georgian against the

00:26:54

oligarchs so direct, direct,

00:26:56

frank, this game is beautiful, it is

00:26:59

supported by part of society, but it

00:27:01

is one of the key elements of

00:27:03

destabilization and

00:27:05

increases the cups to fall large in the situation, to

00:27:08

some extent, leads to that, saw, leads

00:27:13

to strengthening Russian games create a field or

00:27:16

opportunity for a more active game of

00:27:18

Russia in Ukraine, it was necessary to look for

00:27:21

models of consolidation, here are ours,

00:27:25

well, even Zelensky’s team after the

00:27:28

presidential elections admitted that in

00:27:31

many ways they helped Zelensky win, like

00:27:37

this, the crazy black PR campaign of

00:27:40

competitors against him, these are all

00:27:42

stories about a drug addict clone, that is,

00:27:45

the more they tried to sink the

00:27:47

more, let’s say, it surfaced now

00:27:50

when we see that the channels

00:27:54

belonging to or associated with

00:27:57

various oligarchs are simply

00:28:01

systematically ruining the president, of course there is something to

00:28:04

criticize for, but

00:28:07

we see how it is, you know how

00:28:08

They turned on the switch like this and started

00:28:12

criticizing everyone on the channel for different things, but actively won’t it

00:28:16

work out so that they will do this with this

00:28:19

mass

00:28:20

criticism

00:28:22

so that the people see, well, since

00:28:25

all the oligarchs are up in arms, it means

00:28:28

maybe Vladimir Zelensky is doing everything

00:28:30

right, won’t they help such people?

00:28:33

way to get him re-elected for a second term,

00:28:35

but with you, I think the audience calls me VI,

00:28:38

but you held a question, you posed this

00:28:40

question, you didn’t pose the question absolutely correctly,

00:28:42

look, it worked as long as

00:28:45

Zelensky was clean and fresh,

00:28:47

any energy against him from his opponents gained momentum

00:28:50

only added energy to his

00:28:52

locomotive and in this way it

00:28:55

was no longer possible to stop it, it could

00:28:56

only be broken, but it was Poroshenko who

00:28:59

failed at the debate or something

00:29:01

else to do today, but the problem of the

00:29:04

authorities is not Poroshenko, Medvedchuk or

00:29:07

Akhmetov is the problem of the authorities, it is

00:29:12

the promise that has not been fulfilled, what is the

00:29:14

position she is making today only

00:29:17

reinforces the mistakes the authorities

00:29:20

highlight the geese and don’t come

00:29:23

up with subordination, let them just strengthen and

00:29:25

the command to me to repent of the president surrounded by the

00:29:28

president still hasn’t realized that she’s not

00:29:31

fighting Poroshenko Tymoshenko smartly and

00:29:33

with these people they are my competitors all

00:29:35

these people are actually fighting with with

00:29:37

their mistakes with their unfulfilled

00:29:39

promises

00:29:40

with the failed expectations of a large part of

00:29:44

Ukrainians they are fighting with themselves this is a

00:29:46

classic shadow boxing,

00:29:48

believe me that if Zelensky

00:29:51

his team kept key

00:29:53

promises and responded effectively to

00:29:55

key social requests peace fight against

00:29:58

corruption in corruption raising the level

00:30:00

life, then

00:30:02

any energy of the opponents only added to

00:30:05

both, we only add, and since there

00:30:09

are steps here, there are some achievements,

00:30:11

but they are all of a tactical nature,

00:30:13

strategically in these areas, we cannot

00:30:16

say that something

00:30:17

has changed radically, then some kind of

00:30:20

inevitable irreversible progress has been achieved.

00:30:24

we can’t say this because we

00:30:26

can’t say this, this leads to

00:30:29

disappointment in society, this leads to the fact

00:30:31

that the opponent has

00:30:34

strong arguments, their arguments fall on the

00:30:37

fertile ground of doubt and

00:30:39

disappointment, that’s all for the Zelensky

00:30:42

team, the team to run and in general there is no

00:30:44

need to react to all this

00:30:45

in order that they are criticized they just

00:30:47

need to honestly go their own way and

00:30:49

see what society wants to

00:30:52

listen to these promises they have

00:30:54

no other competitors except their

00:30:57

failures promises have been fulfilled

00:31:00

this is anyone for any government so this is not

00:31:03

only for this government of course if

00:31:05

less text is preserved then in the

00:31:08

elections there will be no real competitors,

00:31:10

there will be real problems because we

00:31:12

see that in the power ratings people are the

00:31:15

same as a year ago, on the one hand, on

00:31:17

the other hand, if we compare them with the

00:31:19

summer

00:31:21

spring

00:31:23

variations in these ratings, there is a

00:31:25

significant decline and it is

00:31:27

absolutely necessary to

00:31:29

come up with something new to stay afloat

00:31:32

because in our country this

00:31:34

government has no ratings, you are not the government

00:31:36

because even if you are sitting in the chair of the

00:31:39

President of Ukraine, but you are not popular

00:31:41

as predators were in your time, then the entire

00:31:45

system of political government

00:31:47

is being restructured around leaders to those people

00:31:49

who will be president will sit in

00:31:51

your chair in the next political

00:31:53

cycle and you end up with a naked king of

00:31:56

powers, you pull the levers and the

00:31:58

effect is this car doesn’t move, no

00:32:01

one hears these instructions they don’t

00:32:04

work, they don’t sabotage, and at all

00:32:06

levels of the state mechanism

00:32:09

this is the problem for children has not yet come to

00:32:11

this scenario is not yet five percent but

00:32:15

but such a trend is quite possible a trend is

00:32:18

quite believed incredible if this

00:32:21

command does not reboot why am I

00:32:23

speaking so carefully because I am in a

00:32:27

war between one and the other between the seams of the viper

00:32:30

between its predator this

00:32:34

yes, you know, it seems to me that we are journalists

00:32:37

experts should still be put on the side, it is

00:32:39

very important that they

00:32:43

choose the words more than once, not the one who

00:32:46

thought our state, because

00:32:48

our state has screwed up more than once, then you and I

00:32:52

will not have a place to raise our children, that

00:32:55

is, you and I will not cause the

00:32:56

opportunity for our occupations are our

00:32:58

profession, so

00:33:00

we must still look for other ways to

00:33:03

look for other mechanisms; today, more than ever, we do

00:33:08

not have the same risks as parts of

00:33:11

14-15; we are closer than ever to

00:33:14

the crisis of statehood to the destruction of the

00:33:17

entire state of Rastan, thank you very much, I

00:33:20

was with you Ruslan Bortnik

00:33:22

Director of the Ukrainian Institute of Politics

00:33:24

subscribe to our channel likes

00:33:27

comments watch other videos I

00:33:30

hung with you saying goodbye

00:33:31

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