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Hello 9:00 am in Moscow this morning

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In the rain and today in the studio of Valery

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Ratnikov Mikhail Polenov, as always,

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we are talking about the main news of the last

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day Even of the last days But because

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the main news is obvious - this is the terrorist attack in the

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Moscow concert hall Crocus City

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Hall and its many consequences

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which in general cannot be stopped

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discussing, but I propose to first move on

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to the news of the last hour Belgorod

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came under fire again tonight,

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according to the governor of the Belgorod region

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Vyacheslav Gladkov, there were no casualties, there were no

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injuries, twenty Second

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Gymnasium Belgorod Arena and dozens of

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apartments in the Ministry of Defense said

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that air defense shot down in the Belgorod region 15

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shells from a Vampire multiple launch rocket system

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fired by Ukraine Well,

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Russian troops hit

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energy facilities in Ukraine tonight,

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according to Ukrenergo, heat and

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hydroelectric power stations were damaged in the central and

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western regions of the country in the

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Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions

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after the shelling, power outages

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we will monitor developments of events and

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we will tell you the details As soon as they

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appear

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[music]

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and Yesterday new details appeared in

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the investigation of the terrorist attack that occurred

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last Friday, March 22 in the Crocus Ti

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Holi Russia continues to point out the

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involvement of Ukraine, officials

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are talking about that very Ukrainian trace Well, the

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Investigative Committee said that the

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terrorists

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received money from Ukraine into cryptocurrency accounts

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as a result of working with detained

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terrorists, studying the technical devices seized from them,

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analyzing information about

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financial transactions,

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evidence of their connection with Ukrainian

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nationalists was obtained, the investigation

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has confirmed data that the

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perpetrator of the terrorist attack received

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significant amounts of money and

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cryptocurrency from Ukraine, which

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were used in the preparation of

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the crime, also, according to the

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Investigative Committee, yesterday they detained an

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alleged participant in the financing scheme for the

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terrorist attack in Crocus. No information about the detainees is reported. Meanwhile, important stories were found of a crypto wallet associated with a terrorist

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group in Khorasan velayat, from where immediately

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after the terrorist attack

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250,000 rubles were transferred, well, the amount is in dollars

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approximately it turns out to be 250,000 rubles, this is exactly the

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amount that one of the detainees

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in the case of a terrorist attack who was

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captured on March 23 spoke about. According to him, an

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unknown person contacted him in a telegram

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and offered to commit mass murder

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for half a million rubles. After which the excess of

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Well, 250,000 as an advance in the

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United States

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They have already stated several times that all the words of the Russian

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authorities about the so-called Ukrainian

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trace in the terrorist attack in Crocus quote are nonsense and

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Propaganda the day before, White House

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National

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Security Communications Advisor John Kirby said at

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a briefing, I will quote, ISIS bears sole and full

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responsibility for this terrorist attack,

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but I remind you that as a result of the terrorist attack,

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according to the latest official data,

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143 people were killed, and most of them,

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apparently, were unable to escape and

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suffocated due to carbon smoke from the

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fire, immediately after the shooting began, people

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rushed to look for emergency exits from the

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crocus, but at least three out of four ecu

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This was found out by a journalist from the agency's publication,

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while the son of the owner of Crocus City Hall,

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Imin Agalarov, had previously stated that during the

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terrorist attack only the service doors were closed

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and the emergency exits quote

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worked as normal. Let's find out

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the details. We are joined by a

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journalist from the agency's publication Andrey

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grout Andrey Good morning Thank you for

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finding time to join our

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broadcast, please tell us how you

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managed to howl what actually

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happened to the

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stairs Good morning, well, initially we

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had to get acquainted with the floor

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plans and panoramas of each floor,

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fortunately, despite the fact that Kus City had

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his website, almost all the materials were

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from there deleted In the archives of the site, everything

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remained and there we found floor plans for fairs

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in the Caucus City Poly. In addition, there are floor-by-floor panoramas on

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Google

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maps.

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Thanks to them, we studied all the

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floors and found out that well, we roughly

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determined not approximately, but determined

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the location of emergency exits. That’s

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a plus, I talked with

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seven seven spectators who went down

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one or another staircase, it was precisely the spectators of the

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upper floors of the City Caucus Hall, and

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actually thanks to this it became clear

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that people did not go down as

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Agalarov says, not only through technical

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office premises and staircases. Well,

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that also happened. But besides this, they

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used and evacuation staircases,

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to understand them in the caucus of

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everything, there are exactly four of them. Two of

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them went down from the third floor to the

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basement of Ave from the second floor, here

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were certain entrances or exits

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closed. That

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is, what did this lead to? Well, here’s one from the

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stories from the second to the first floor,

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about 4 people were able to enter the

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evacuation room, they wanted to get out, the exit was

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closed, they decided to go up

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and the

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kotono was behind them, apparently I would

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slam it, so in the end, these

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people, as one of the spectators says,

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Ekaterina, they turn out to be about 40 for minutes they

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wandered around, went up, went down, then

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at the top it turned out to be higher than the second floor on the

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flight, they broke through the

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drywall in some utility room, then

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went downstairs, found some other utility

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room there, and in this other

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utility room, in order to survive,

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suffocating,

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they already broke through the wall and in this wall for

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there was plexiglass along the wall, they broke through

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the plexiglass and at face level they got out of

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this trap and according to her,

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about 4 people entered the forest and

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12-1 people came out, that is, she may have

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suffocated, it turns out Andrey or or we

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can’t judge here, well, some

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number exactly because she says

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that when she moved she was kicked with

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about the body. Well, that is, I think that you can

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understand that it is a body or, for example, some kind of

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metal structure, simply

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because it’s like a human body after all, uh This is a

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completely different feeling to me, uh, well

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Judging by the fact that they were there for

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about 40 minutes and the room is very

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small, that is, two floors are not

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even four, and the air there seems to have

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nowhere to come from. We definitely cannot

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say that from this particular group

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we only had one person who could

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tell us something, but she told us in

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sufficient detail, we looked at the

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diagrams of how and what she moved to, where

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it was definitely an emergency staircase, and

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most likely there were people left on this staircase.

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Well, actually, probably the diagram

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Andrey Yes, we are showing it now,

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right here, the

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exits are marked along numbers Yes, and you

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are talking about which of them,

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in fact, the fourth exit was open, and the

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rest were either broken through or

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hacked somehow Yes, here is the fourth exit. Moreover, I

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just told about this story

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exactly on the fourth, on the

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fourth staircase, it turns out to be on it

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They went in but couldn’t get out. Well, that is,

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they broke out the basement

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from the top floor,

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people were breaking it down on the

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second and third floors,

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they didn’t go out.

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Apparently, because there

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were still terrorists there at that moment They

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went down below. With them, just in this

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group, there was a security guard, Asankov, who is

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very now. They are promoting him and rewarding him,

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and in fact, in fact,

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because he is one of the few security guards about

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whom people say that they

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really helped, and here he is, together with

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a spectator of whom there was an ax, this

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story too. Many people know Andre’s vikr, they actually

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washed it

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in the office premises because in the

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basement there was no other option, but as

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for, and here it is also worth

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noting that Agalarov says that they were

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working, that people were using

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office RMI only and staircases, yes, in

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fact, dest

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Ilva, talk to a very large number of

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journalists, he was just telling

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exactly this story, that is, they

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got to the technical technical

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premises and then went down the

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technical stairs, they also lit the doors,

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but these are not all people, only this is only a

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part,

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and about the doors

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We don’t have data on the evacuation stairs,

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here it could be for several

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reasons. Why they aren’t there: first, either people

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couldn’t get on these stairs and

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therefore

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there were no witnesses who walked along them,

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or the second option is

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sadder: people were able to get on them but

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couldn’t how to get out of there Well,

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Or it so happened that I studied a lot

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on the Internet and found people who

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talked to journalists and said that

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they used stairs and among them

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I was simply unlucky to find these people

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Yes, there are several options, but among

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them there are very similar would be unpleasant ones that

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Andrey doesn’t even want to think about, while

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the check that took place immediately after the

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terrorist attack showed that everything was fine

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from a security point of view. However, a

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few days later,

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the rest of the shopping

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centers that belong to the Agalarovs and

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Well, in general, there are,

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as they say, there are questions why on the

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one

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hand, the check shows that everything is in

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order, while you say that it

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was almost impossible to get out in

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your investigation, and then we learn that

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other shopping

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centers belonging to Crocus are also closing, how to

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combine it all into one in your opinion

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Well, it seems

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that It’s quite

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obvious that there are certain questions regarding Croc City

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and the fact that

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the owner or is lying a lot is already

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clear from this even from the doors. But this is the

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simplest evacuation doors, that

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is, here people came out and stubbornly broke them,

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they tell it all and you can

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understand it. Yes, but for example we can’t

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say right now how it was organized,

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what was organized, for example, a

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fire alarm, how

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these robots worked that were supposed to

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extinguish the fire in

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the hall, how all these things are already more

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complex, that is, and this can

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only be determined by investigators and

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rescuers. Well or for us to do this, we can

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only navigate as a Therefore,

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if, for example, there are

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some difficulties with these things and there

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were some violations, then in order to

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eliminate them, it’s not the doors of the door that went through and

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opened, but in order to eliminate them you need

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something of some kind - then More serious

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interventions Yes, I don’t know And for this

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they can really open and close

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other shopping centers, well, that’s why

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it’s difficult to judge, of course. But this doesn’t seem to be a

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coincidence. Uh-huh, thanks, yes, this is an important

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separate branch of the story about the terrorist attack,

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which also needs to be sorted out, in

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fact, because the fire that

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the terrorists started was planned

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so that even more people would die, but the question

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is how

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the security of this building was really arranged, how much people

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could be protected from this fire, and

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apparently, the majority

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or many of them died precisely because they

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suffocated, it was Andrei grout

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journalist of the agency's publication now we are

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eager for a short advertisement and

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[music]

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we will return

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[music]

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Well, and also about the consequences of the terrorist attacks, the

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relatives of one of the suspects in

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this crime are now being persecuted by Mdina Fariduni,

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as the Asia publication writes, from the

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village where he lived, his parents brother's wife

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with an eight-month-old child, mother-in-law, uncle and

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cousin, who may be

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connected with the authorities of Tajikistan in the village of

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Lobi, which is 25 km from Dushanbe, journalists

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managed to talk to the wife of Uncle Fariduni,

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according to her, the relatives of the

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alleged father were taken away on March 23. But

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after that, the uncle and his sons went to

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find out about the fate of these relatives and

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also disappeared before this, the news wrote that the

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Fariduni brothers were taken for interrogation in

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Tajikistan, while another relative

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of the suspect told plus

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Fariduni’s sister was deported from Russia along with

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three children, she has not yet returned home, see

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Rem,

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the attacker, Dorzho Mirzoev, his brother

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shanzhan, according to the data Media 8 years ago he left for

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Syria and, as the authorities of

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Tajikistan suspected, he joined ISIS there because of

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this, in his homeland, the seven

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Mirzoevs Tari Radio Ozodi of the

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Tajik edition of Radio Liberty,

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his father says that Ravshan died in

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2020, not for the first time, seven terrorists

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or those whom the authorities eventually They are called

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guilty of terrorist attacks, but it

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seems that

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the story with the relatives of those accused of a

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terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg metro developed in a similar way.

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Zhenya talked about this in detail,

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hello morning. Well, many

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now remember the terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg

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metro in the context of the tragedy that

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occurred

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in Crocus. Was it really then that they

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began to act against the

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relatives of those suspected of the terrorist attack? I

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understand that they were also talking about

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deportation No, there were no deportations,

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there was deprivation of Russian citizenship

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because the Azimov brothers, who

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were also involved in this

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case, their father and they had Russian

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citizenship, they acted there then,

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the story is as follows, 11 people were

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convicted and received life sentences for this terrorist attack

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before there were twenty-year

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sentences And in this whole

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cell of St. Petersburg terrorists, so to speak, there were Well,

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like two pairs of brothers Yes, this is Akra

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Arora Azimov and the Ermatov brothers,

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if regarding the first pair of

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Azimov brothers there is an abror who really

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seems to have contacted the suicide bomber

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Jalilov who committed the terrorist attack Yes, he

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blew himself up in a subway car, then uh,

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his brother was stealing, at that moment he

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was in Kyrgyzstan, I’ll remind you that at that time there

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were mostly citizens of Kyrgyzstan

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A and in this in this group And the convicts and

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his brother were in Kyrgyzstan spending

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time with

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his family he was treated for sinusitis and was in the

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hospital, and as it later turns out,

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employees of the State Committee for National Security came to him, this is the local

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Kyrgyz FSB, and they took him away,

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even leaving his sneakers in the hospital, this is

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confirmed by the testimony of people at the hospital,

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doctors, and so on, and then they came to the

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mother and asked to give her son’s passport to the

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son at In this case, he himself was in touch by

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phone and begged his mother to give up his passport and

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not to go anywhere further with this man,

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the man introduced himself as a taxi driver, then

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he disappeared; he’s

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sitting on a bench, just resting, then he’s leaning

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on him, which means the special squad

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grabs him, which means he’s facing the

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car and they find a grenade in his bag, and then

00:19:02

later they find a grenade in a

00:19:06

woman’s purse of one of the defendants in the case

00:19:09

A and as for the other brothers there too,

00:19:15

that’s history The second side story

00:19:17

is the story of the apartment where they allegedly

00:19:20

prepared an explosive device,

00:19:22

everything seems to be terribly bad with the

00:19:24

evidence, but there are also

00:19:25

two brothers, one of them is a taxi driver, and it’s

00:19:29

generally funny

00:19:31

there, the brother used the other brother’s SIM card,

00:19:36

respectively.

00:19:39

became proof

00:19:42

that they were accomplices and together with this brother they

00:19:47

also took away the entire apartment of all the residents of the

00:19:50

apartment who were there. Well,

00:19:53

in fact, we see that now they

00:19:55

have also arrested the one who rented out the apartment

00:19:58

through Avita, if I’m not mistaken, this is the

00:20:01

same suspect in the terrorist attack and the

00:20:03

last owner of the car who himself

00:20:05

came to the

00:20:07

police Yes, but in the case of the

00:20:10

St. Petersburg terrorist attack the situation was

00:20:13

generally tragic because they

00:20:17

sort of carried out a search in this

00:20:20

apartment, that’s who was there exactly that day,

00:20:23

those who became accused were the people

00:20:27

who lived there for 2 days, I don’t know, they left

00:20:30

the day before we lived a week ago And the apartment

00:20:33

was like this, you know, a typical rubber

00:20:35

apartment Where do the migrants live who

00:20:37

stand in the morning for work, come late

00:20:39

at night and just sleep, and these

00:20:43

people were formed from them into this

00:20:45

so-called cell, they brought

00:20:46

charges, and besides this, there were also, as it were,

00:20:49

there were a

00:20:51

number of people who, 4

00:20:54

years ago, we were searching for them and

00:20:56

eventually found a guy who was

00:20:58

actually a

00:21:00

friend of the accused one of the accused

00:21:03

Yes and And the funny thing is that there lived a

00:21:07

funny guy who lived there who knew that the

00:21:10

suicide bomber Jalilov who committed

00:21:13

the explosion took place in Syria and for some reason this

00:21:19

detail is that, in fact, a valuable witness lived in this apartment,

00:21:22

then the investigation was not at all

00:21:25

interested in this witness, no one

00:21:27

was interested, that is, of course, the

00:21:29

fundamental difference between the terrorist attack in

00:21:32

St. Petersburg in 2017 and the current

00:21:34

tragedy in Crocus is that the

00:21:37

investigation of the St. Petersburg terrorist attack

00:21:39

was treated with complete

00:21:42

disregard by the people who came to hand,

00:21:45

but they quickly collected some evidence

00:21:48

and presented it to the court, which means that the picture here is approximately the

00:21:51

same. We see that a

00:21:54

lot of random people also appear,

00:21:56

but I’m afraid that

00:21:59

this one, let’s call it negligence, that in the

00:22:02

apartment there are 2 a day ago there lived another person,

00:22:04

I think we won’t see it, that is, it’s more likely

00:22:07

the other way around, I don’t know anyone

00:22:10

involved, I don’t know. I called the phone

00:22:13

and I don’t know, so we had two

00:22:17

people there who were asked to

00:22:20

activate SIM cards on the phone Yes And that’s what

00:22:23

brought them to prison Yes, here I’m afraid it

00:22:26

will be even worse, which is worse yet Well,

00:22:31

connections that make no sense at all. I’m

00:22:35

afraid we’ll see again, we already have

00:22:39

quite a lot of evidence that

00:22:44

detainees who are accused of a terrorist attack in

00:22:49

Crocus are tortured. Is it possible to draw any

00:22:51

similar parallels with that what happened in

00:22:53

St. Petersburg Yes, of course, listen, they tortured

00:22:56

us always about

00:22:59

this, that the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg is important and the

00:23:01

testimonies of the defendants about torture

00:23:04

had a lot of coincidences with previous

00:23:08

testimonies, maybe not even terrorist attacks

00:23:10

Yes, but where the FSB and the FSB worked, let’s

00:23:14

say so and then we and journalist

00:23:16

Ilya Rozhdestvensky discussed his

00:23:18

investigation into the secret FSB prison,

00:23:20

where it seems that at least Three of the

00:23:25

eleven defendants ended up and they heard

00:23:28

each other’s screams And they were tortured by this

00:23:32

whole story with Dynamo machines But

00:23:34

now they are trying to uh people with a telephone

00:23:38

then apparently Well, it’s just convenient in prison it

00:23:40

was apparently possible to keep the device,

00:23:41

and the device was immediately set up, so they

00:23:45

tortured the person with this And then, of course, People immediately

00:23:48

gave all the testimony that was needed But

00:23:50

then, thanks to the members of the onc, thanks to the

00:23:52

lawyers, unexpectedly there were

00:23:54

many lawyers for the purpose and they wrote a

00:23:57

statement about the torture of them Of course,

00:23:59

no one checked and But the most It’s scary that yes,

00:24:03

we knew about it, it’s just that now

00:24:06

they’re showing it all to us, no one’s ashamed of us anymore,

00:24:08

no one’s worried about what

00:24:12

it looks like in general, what’s Okay,

00:24:15

now we’re removing the whole side of the fact

00:24:18

that it’s impossible to torture in principle, yes, but

00:24:20

now this is done publicly

00:24:21

demonstratively and it seems to me even with

00:24:24

some kind of bragging, then it’s

00:24:27

Well, still Well, it was immodest

00:24:31

to show that they were tortured, yes, it was one way or

00:24:35

another, sensations now, in general, on

00:24:37

federal channels they show these footage,

00:24:40

bloody footage Yes, indeed, they do not

00:24:43

hide the fact that these people were subjected to

00:24:46

certain bullying by the

00:24:47

security forces, but it really seems to me

00:24:50

important to follow the investigation of the terrorist attack

00:24:52

because it is, first of all, the right of the victims of

00:24:54

their relatives to find out the truth, what

00:24:56

really happened there, who is

00:24:58

really guilty of this, it is impossible to find out with the help of torture.

00:25:00

Thanks, it was

00:25:03

journalist Evgenia Zobnina who

00:25:05

made a big film about the terrorist attack in

00:25:07

St. Petersburg And when in general there are some

00:25:10

parallels between how

00:25:12

this case was investigated then between what

00:25:14

they did with the suspects, what they did with

00:25:16

their families and what we see Also

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[music]

00:25:27

now

00:25:29

Well, today at 10 :00 am in literally an

00:25:31

hour and a half, the Basmanny court must

00:25:34

choose a preventive measure for Soto

00:25:36

Vision journalist Antonina

00:25:38

Favorsky it is known that she was accused of having

00:25:41

connections with FBK Russian authorities

00:25:44

have been considering it an extremist

00:25:46

organization for 3 years, later details appeared

00:25:49

according to the security forces Antonina

00:25:55

the verdict was posted not in not in one and a

00:25:58

half an hour in half an hour Very

00:26:00

soon they should announce a preventive measure on the

00:26:04

accusations of the security forces.

00:26:07

Navalny's press secretary Kira Yarmysh has already reacted to the accusations of the security forces,

00:26:09

saying that all this is an absolute lie.

00:26:12

Favorskaya did not publish anything. But

00:26:15

even if we discard the falsity of the accusation,

00:26:18

its essence remains, the journalist is accused

00:26:20

of journalistic activity to be surprised It’s

00:26:22

not necessary But what a

00:26:26

darkness everything is. Apparently Favorskaya came to the

00:26:29

attention of the security forces because she actively

00:26:31

covered the trials of Alexei Navalny;

00:26:34

for example, she shot the last video with him on

00:26:37

February 15, when the politician connected via

00:26:39

video link from Kharp to a meeting of the

00:26:41

Kovrovsky court a month before

00:26:43

Navalny’s murder

00:26:46

A month before

00:26:48

the murder of Navalny, Nagorskaya went to

00:26:50

Kharp itself to make a report about this

00:26:53

village in which the politician was then located.

00:26:55

And after the funeral of Alexei Antoni,

00:26:58

almost every day she brought current

00:27:00

photos and videos from his grave,

00:27:03

her colleagues from Vision wrote about this. In fact,

00:27:05

Antonina was detained after

00:27:07

she left at the Borisov cemetery in the

00:27:11

same case, FBK also interrogated the photographer

00:27:13

Alexandra Astakhova, the journalist

00:27:15

Anastasia Musatova. Now they are

00:27:18

witnesses. All three of Faborskaya,

00:27:20

Musatova and Astakhova, were searched,

00:27:22

the latter said that the security forces

00:27:25

even took away printed portraits

00:27:26

of Navalny from her, saying that this was an iconostasis. Well,

00:27:29

near

00:27:31

Favorsky’s house Ekaterina Anikeevich Sotovin

00:27:35

and Konstantin Zharov from ros News Zharov was

00:27:38

severely beaten and threatened with rape,

00:27:41

meanwhile in Ufa, in connection with the same case,

00:27:43

FBK detained and sent to arrest for 2

00:27:46

months, activist Olga Komleva, she

00:27:48

covered the January protests

00:27:51

in Baymak and other actions for Rus News

00:27:55

joining us right now is Valeria Vetoshkina,

00:27:56

lawyer for the human rights project OVD info

00:28:00

Good morning Thank you for finding E thank you

00:28:03

for taking the time how would you

00:28:05

comment on the fact that now everyone in one way

00:28:08

or another connected in any way with the

00:28:10

activities of FBK is being arrested directly or indirectly

00:28:14

and Good morning Well If I may,

00:28:18

I would of course correct you, it has not been proven

00:28:21

that anyone is connected with the activity,

00:28:23

but they are not connected in any way, but in the interpretation

00:28:25

of the security forces, in

00:28:27

general, in this way Yes, this is very important

00:28:30

because it is generally unclear what is

00:28:32

happening because if we

00:28:34

looked at this big deal the

00:28:36

so-called anti-corruption fund, for

00:28:38

example, before the elections, they really

00:28:41

weren’t arrested in absentia or actually in

00:28:44

Russia, and those who were associated with the

00:28:48

activities of Alexei

00:28:50

Navalny’s organization. And these were either leadership

00:28:55

positions or there were positions on

00:28:58

Navalny’s headquarters, in general, you already know these

00:29:00

people now why -they

00:29:03

began to arrest those people who

00:29:09

have nothing to do with these organizations at all. Why is this

00:29:12

happening? I have a feeling that they

00:29:14

just want everyone to stop

00:29:17

talking about the very fact of the existence of

00:29:20

Alexei Navalny, that is, like if we

00:29:22

ignore it. Perhaps it will

00:29:25

disappear. No it is will not disappear No, it

00:29:28

works like that, yes I think it’s important to

00:29:30

talk here about specific details and the so

00:29:32

-called evidence that the

00:29:34

security forces provide, there is an interpretation.

00:29:36

As I understand it, from your colleague from the Department of Internal Affairs, the information

00:29:38

means what publications on

00:29:41

FBK platforms mean. Yes, what is Antonina now charged with based

00:29:45

on the fact of quoting her materials in the

00:29:48

media of Alexei Navalny Well, that is,

00:29:49

conditionally. For example, She publishes a

00:29:51

photograph from the Borisov cemetery in ovision,

00:29:53

for example, and it can be quoted there on

00:29:55

some Media resources of Alexei

00:29:56

Navalny, and this has already

00:29:58

been considered to mean participation in the so-called

00:30:01

Do I understand correctly here in general

00:30:04

what they charge Antonina And it’s hard for me to

00:30:07

say because none of us actually

00:30:10

saw the case materials and, for example, all the

00:30:12

witnesses are under non-disclosure agreements

00:30:15

and therefore it’s really difficult for me to answer

00:30:18

but as far as

00:30:20

I understand they charge It’s something

00:30:24

related to journalistic work and

00:30:27

again this it’s not normal because all

00:30:30

journalists obviously, well, for you and

00:30:33

for me, they obviously have the right to

00:30:37

freely film any

00:30:41

events, be it courts, be it colonies

00:30:45

in Kharp, where obviously the authorities specifically

00:30:48

sent Alexei Navalny so that there

00:30:50

would be no access there, be it the funeral of Alexei

00:30:53

Navalny, as if just the grave of Alexei

00:30:55

Navalny and so on, if the authorities do

00:30:56

n’t like it, then this is a question for

00:31:00

journalists. Tell me, are there any

00:31:03

recent details about the condition of

00:31:05

Antonina herself and those who were detained during

00:31:08

the search in her house, we know that one of the

00:31:10

journalists, Konstantin Zharov, was beaten

00:31:14

quite brutally he has sprained

00:31:17

fingers, if I'm not mistaken, at

00:31:18

least they needed to be placed in plaster

00:31:20

after

00:31:21

that. What is the latest news in this

00:31:26

regard? understands that she has a long

00:31:30

way to go because I think that no one

00:31:32

doubts that of course they will choose a

00:31:36

preventive measure related to

00:31:37

deprivation freedom, it will be a

00:31:40

pre-trial detention center, but unfortunately,

00:31:43

because we see what is happening as

00:31:45

for the activists, the journalists

00:31:49

who were beaten, they acted correctly.

00:31:53

They called an ambulance, everything

00:31:55

was recorded, I hope that they will

00:31:58

continue to hammer this topic, they will

00:32:01

file reports of a crime,

00:32:04

because obviously,

00:32:05

violence against them is connected

00:32:08

exclusively with the reluctance of the

00:32:10

security forces for anyone to report that

00:32:14

investigative actions are taking place somewhere at night and Valeria I

00:32:17

know this question is a little abstract,

00:32:19

maybe in the current conditions, but

00:32:22

I also just have a few acquaintances

00:32:23

who, for example, made donations in

00:32:26

favor of FBK even before it was

00:32:29

recognized as an extremist organization. Do

00:32:31

you think it is possible to say that

00:32:34

this is some kind of next Step in the persecution

00:32:37

because all this is all It is known

00:32:39

naturally and such claims, such

00:32:43

accusations can be brought against any

00:32:45

person and the statute of limitations may not

00:32:47

matter here Well, there have already

00:32:50

been cases with donations. We have seen, and for not very

00:32:53

large ones. Yes, I would divide it into two.

00:32:58

This is the donations, such a story that

00:33:01

of course I will now tell you about the law, but you

00:33:03

can tell me the law in Russia he is very

00:33:06

funny, but still all the cases are for donations

00:33:09

that exist and they are for those

00:33:12

donations that were sent

00:33:15

after the decision was made to recognize the anti-

00:33:17

corruption fund as an extremist

00:33:19

organization, that is, even those that

00:33:22

were sent there, if I’m not mistaken, the

00:33:25

organization was recognized as a bowl on August 4

00:33:28

organization, if Donat was sent on

00:33:31

August 5, it is considered a crime,

00:33:34

yeah, so for now, in this part, the security forces

00:33:39

are following all the rules that are written; the

00:33:42

second part about which I wanted to

00:33:44

say is whether it is possible to somehow protect yourself in

00:33:45

principle. If you have ever

00:33:49

interacted with Navalny’s headquarters

00:33:51

with the anti-corruption fund,

00:33:52

and unfortunately, these last two cases

00:33:56

in relation to Antonina and in relation to Olga

00:34:00

Komleva very much blur the boundaries

00:34:04

of what kind of advice we can give, that

00:34:06

is, again, if we previously understood

00:34:09

that most likely there would be complaints only

00:34:13

against very prominent people or to the

00:34:17

management team, now it’s not very

00:34:20

clear. But I just wouldn’t want to

00:34:22

give advice like stay at home and

00:34:25

do nothing because, firstly, everyone

00:34:29

must assess their own risks. And

00:34:32

secondly, this is what the authorities

00:34:36

are trying to achieve, so that no one does anything.

00:34:39

yes And Valeria I would like to return to

00:34:42

our previous topic of the terrorist attack in Crocus

00:34:44

Quietly and its consequences and ask you, as a

00:34:47

lawyer, another important question. But first

00:34:49

I want to tell our viewers that about

00:34:52

10 people were detained in Russia for posts

00:34:54

and comments on the topic of the terrorist attacks on Crocus

00:34:56

City Holi one of the first arrested

00:34:59

was decorator from St. Petersburg Nikolai

00:35:00

Konoshenko, who wrote on Facebook

00:35:02

Why Crocus and not the Kremlin was arrested

00:35:05

at Pulkovo airport when he was about to

00:35:07

fly to Armenia and he was arrested for 2

00:35:09

months under the article on justifying

00:35:10

terrorism, for which the maximum

00:35:12

penalty is 7 years in prison arrests

00:35:16

for posts about the terrorist attack became regular

00:35:18

this week. And in Sterlitamak, for example,

00:35:21

blogger Rustam Absalyamov was detained,

00:35:23

who called in his stream quote

00:35:26

to blow up Moscow. The Security Service publishes footage of the

00:35:28

search and detention of all those arrested and

00:35:32

forces them to apologize on camera. Yes,

00:35:34

now let’s

00:35:35

listen to me on the Internet. A

00:35:37

series of streams were conducted after terrible

00:35:40

events in

00:35:41

Crocus in my videos I said

00:35:45

catastrophically wrong and horrific

00:35:48

things to attract attention to myself,

00:35:50

now I realize that with my

00:35:54

words I could incite ethnic hatred,

00:35:56

we are playing on the feelings of people against the backdrop of

00:36:00

mourning

00:36:02

events, this is unacceptable and

00:36:05

inhumane, I apologize to

00:36:08

all the many national people of

00:36:11

Russia, well the geography of these detentions is

00:36:14

quite large in the Magadan region,

00:36:15

for example, in the village of Ola, a

00:36:17

seventy-five-year-old man was detained who

00:36:19

wrote in the commentary to the video about the terrorist attacks

00:36:21

that the quote must be killed by parasites, that’s what he

00:36:23

called the visitors of the crocus, after that

00:36:25

he apologized and said that he would do it

00:36:28

now he is under recognizance not to

00:36:29

leave a young man was also detained

00:36:31

who wrote during the terrorist attack

00:36:33

that he liked the sounds of gunshots; his

00:36:35

girlfriend who recorded a video in the same

00:36:38

spirit was expelled from the university. Well, in

00:36:42

addition, there are at least four cases

00:36:44

of detention in Belarus, among them

00:36:46

a resident of Minsk Zhanna Lavrova, as an

00:36:48

insider writes.

00:36:51

employee Konstantin Pridbay reported to her. He said

00:36:54

that Lavrova had insulted the dead in Crocus

00:36:57

in connection

00:36:59

with this, listing what kind of

00:37:03

comments No matter what they were

00:37:07

on social networks, people were detained and

00:37:11

faced under the relevant article with up to 7

00:37:14

years in prison for justifying terrorism

00:37:17

First of all, how do you feel about this and

00:37:20

how should people behave on

00:37:23

social networks in connection with this? Is it possible

00:37:25

to comment in any way on

00:37:27

what happened in the crocus or, in general,

00:37:30

any interpretation here may

00:37:32

end up under the attention of the

00:37:35

security forces Uh-huh Well, how do I feel about this,

00:37:38

and I’ll probably say not as a lawyer

00:37:41

but as a person, but the authorities should have

00:37:44

done something to prevent a terrorist

00:37:46

attack in Crocus and not engage in

00:37:50

anti-crisis PR after, like, torture

00:37:53

and obviously demonstrative imprisonment for

00:37:58

comments in the style of Vladimir Putin

00:38:01

like Everything is fine with us. We have

00:38:05

terrorists, all the main ones are sitting, all the

00:38:07

culprits are sitting, but in reality there are about 140

00:38:11

dead. Well, that is, this is an obvious

00:38:13

anti-crisis Feast in

00:38:15

which, within the framework of which people suffer,

00:38:19

well, people write comments on the

00:38:21

Internet all over the country, comments on the

00:38:24

Internet for you, this is also not a discovery

00:38:25

for the audience. I think it’s a discovery. Well, yes,

00:38:29

well, it’s not normal when the authorities,

00:38:33

instead of doing

00:38:37

their real work, imprison people for this, and

00:38:41

as for security, it’s

00:38:44

important to understand that whenever something

00:38:46

happens in Russia, it

00:38:48

qualifies like a terrorist attack

00:38:50

a-a Any kind of

00:38:58

approval Can be qualified as

00:39:01

public this is an approval of

00:39:03

terrorism under Article 205 point yes and this

00:39:07

was already the case in the case of Mikhail Zhlobinsky this

00:39:09

was the case In the cases of the explosion on the Crimean bridge

00:39:12

and that

00:39:14

is, this is also not a new practice A I

00:39:17

think that 100% if someone wants to

00:39:21

protect themselves, of course, this cannot be

00:39:23

described as anything because it is obvious that

00:39:26

the topic specifically of the terrorist attack in Crocus is very

00:39:30

sensitive for the state because everyone

00:39:33

understands that the sore point is a little bit

00:39:36

again not the right political

00:39:39

issue, some people are even afraid It was

00:39:41

impossible to write about the fact that it was possible to torture,

00:39:44

because maybe it would be some kind of

00:39:48

justification for the actions of these people who

00:39:53

are in the terim act, the only way is

00:40:00

not to get caught. If you want to speculate about this,

00:40:03

don’t write Uh-huh Yes, this is

00:40:07

useful advice from a lawyer Thank you it

00:40:10

was Valeria Vetoshkina, lawyer for the

00:40:12

human rights project OVD info Well,

00:40:16

the case against journalists, primarily

00:40:18

against Antonina Favorsky, seems to be a new

00:40:22

round of persecution by FBK. If previously

00:40:24

only work in

00:40:26

Navalny’s structures was called a crime, then they considered the

00:40:30

defense of politics in the courts to be extremist activity, when

00:40:32

his lawyers were arrested, now it

00:40:34

turns out that coverage is also included there trials

00:40:36

of a politician, that is, you

00:40:38

get an exceptional job as a journalist, you go to

00:40:41

Navalny's courts, you work as a journalist,

00:40:43

which means you are conducting extremist

00:40:45

activities, Kirill

00:40:47

Martynov, the chief editor of the new newspaper

00:40:49

Europe, joins us. a

00:40:59

new approach can be observed

00:41:01

in this particular case, the case of

00:41:02

so Vision journalist Antonina Faska, a

00:41:06

new approach to the interpretation of what the authorities

00:41:09

call extremist activity

00:41:10

now No, I think that the assessment, Unfortunately, is quite

00:41:15

specific I think there are several

00:41:18

components in these actions of the authorities,

00:41:20

several reasons on the one hand I think

00:41:22

that the queues in support of Navalny at

00:41:26

his funeral, of course, the authorities really didn’t

00:41:28

like. I think that they literally

00:41:30

held some kind of meeting about what to

00:41:33

do with these people, it’s clear that these

00:41:35

people need to be somehow intimidated and

00:41:38

isolated, it’s clear that there were too many of them

00:41:40

on the streets of Moscow in Marino in order

00:41:43

to detain and imprison them all, and

00:41:46

this, in general, is the great advantage of such a

00:41:48

mass protest. But they found that point

00:41:51

that at the same time, which in general

00:41:53

makes intimidation

00:41:56

as possible as possible. Yes, you need to hunt for

00:42:00

journalists who

00:42:02

worked professionally in Navalny’s courts because How did

00:42:06

he, based on how he was killed in the colony and,

00:42:10

in fact, based on the events that

00:42:14

followed, Favorskaya followed a very

00:42:17

typical scenario: first

00:42:19

administrative detention, then

00:42:21

preparation of a criminal case While the person

00:42:23

is in

00:42:26

a special detention center, it

00:42:27

is indicative that they did not

00:42:29

stop there. Apparently, yes, but also

00:42:31

started there in order to

00:42:33

consolidate their position that this is supposedly

00:42:35

extremism, they began to persecute not only

00:42:37

her but also her colleagues who, in turn, were

00:42:40

already covering

00:42:42

her persecution, and that is,

00:42:44

it turns out that it’s not just about

00:42:46

bulk money, but you can also conduct

00:42:48

searches and make threats there torture by torture of people

00:42:52

who are trying to protect their colleague

00:42:55

who is allegedly somehow connected with this

00:42:57

structure of the WBK, according to the

00:42:59

investigation.

00:43:01

This is the first thing, yes. It

00:43:04

seems to me that this is just a point of

00:43:06

intimidation that they

00:43:09

found here. Secondly, in principle, it’s clear

00:43:12

that the authorities for this season after the so-

00:43:15

called elections, there are big plans for

00:43:18

our colleagues who remained to work in

00:43:20

Russia, we see in general there is a general

00:43:23

feeling that the authorities, in

00:43:26

principle, are receiving from the Armed Forces that

00:43:29

journalists continue to work and I think

00:43:32

that perhaps this

00:43:34

company is against against, as if for reasons

00:43:38

fbk You can also research in order

00:43:40

to do the following can be

00:43:42

used in order to take the

00:43:43

next Step to basically

00:43:46

try any journalist

00:43:48

activity in Russia

00:43:50

criminality of the military NZ

00:43:56

sweaty agenda quite specifically

00:43:58

exists Well, the third component It

00:44:01

seems to me, in principle, your your the previous

00:44:04

guest already said about it, it seems to me that there

00:44:06

is quite this logic here, which is

00:44:09

that the authorities

00:44:12

do not know how to catch terrorists and, moreover, that is,

00:44:15

they leave Russian citizens defenseless

00:44:17

in the face of terror and there is no

00:44:20

prevention or any kind of

00:44:21

international cooperation regarding

00:44:23

such terrible terrorist attacks speeches are not

00:44:26

coming, the special services simply

00:44:29

behaved unprofessionally And after

00:44:31

that, you can switch, in principle, to your

00:44:34

favorite activity, you can catch journalists,

00:44:37

civil activists, people for writing on the

00:44:39

Internet for likes This is what the Russian

00:44:42

special services, the Russian security forces know how to

00:44:44

do well, they know how to

00:44:46

beat civilians, they know how to torture,

00:44:50

they know how to find people on the Internet

00:44:53

and take notarized

00:44:55

screenshots there of what bad people have written

00:44:58

on the Internet. Of course they

00:44:59

will focus on this, it’s very much like

00:45:02

their

00:45:08

rehabilitator went through the worst terrorist attack

00:45:11

in the last 20 years and when in general the

00:45:14

Russian authorities warn that this is

00:45:15

not possible the latest terrorist attack by

00:45:21

fundamentalists about how we killed

00:45:24

Navalny and for this you can receive

00:45:27

awards of the Order of Promotion Without

00:45:30

risk because it is clear that journalists

00:45:33

And working with journalists is noticeably

00:45:35

safer than working with real criminals,

00:45:38

and that is, now it turns out that any

00:45:41

work of a journalist at a protest action

00:45:44

may be equated by criminal justice to extremism or

00:45:47

in court, that is, a story about an event

00:45:49

may in itself already be extremism

00:45:51

and Do you think it is possible to say

00:45:54

that And for example, the elections that took place

00:45:58

in Russia quite recently and the

00:46:01

opposition rally at noon in against Putin and in

00:46:05

general angered the authorities and prompted a

00:46:08

new round of perhaps cruelty

00:46:12

towards

00:46:13

journalists. Well, it seems to me that all those

00:46:17

things that irritate them. They need

00:46:19

some kind of reaction. Well, in principle, it

00:46:22

seems to me that the Russian authorities

00:46:24

would ideally just like to make sure that in

00:46:26

Russia, in principle, there would be no people with their

00:46:29

own thoughts, their own

00:46:31

values, and everyone would march

00:46:33

in formation and sing songs about how much they

00:46:35

like the so-called theirs, but they are

00:46:39

unable to do this, mobilize

00:46:41

people in the social sense of the word to

00:46:43

support mass support for the war very

00:46:45

it’s difficult, but people who

00:46:49

think independently and are generally

00:46:51

critical of everything that

00:46:53

happens in the country,

00:46:55

they made visible through their

00:46:58

own efforts, it’s obvious that

00:47:00

the authorities are extremely irritated by this and

00:47:04

it’s obvious. In general, there is even some

00:47:05

Paradox, I would say Yes, about

00:47:08

what you they said that journalists

00:47:10

still go to trials or cover the

00:47:13

activities of so-called extremists.

00:47:15

Well, it is clear that in general it

00:47:18

would be much more convenient for the authorities if

00:47:22

the only source of information on

00:47:23

all these courts were themselves, if

00:47:27

some speaker of the investigative committee came out and

00:47:29

told how everything works in

00:47:32

reality, I think that in relation to

00:47:34

repression, in principle, they want to achieve the

00:47:37

same picture of reality that they

00:47:39

achieved by introducing military censorship and

00:47:42

prohibiting journalists from talking about

00:47:45

using any other sources

00:47:46

except, well, at that time Konoshenko and the

00:47:49

official speaker of the Ministry of

00:47:51

Defense, we are these events of two years

00:47:53

we remember very well from a long time ago. Now

00:47:55

they seem to have no laws that prohibit

00:47:58

journalists from going to court, but in principle it

00:48:00

seems to me that they are moving in this

00:48:02

direction. If you want to broadcast the courts, I quote

00:48:05

the prosecutor’s office. Well, speaking of the reaction,

00:48:09

including to the action against Putin, noon

00:48:11

news came against Putin about the fact that a

00:48:14

resident of Tula was fined for the inscription

00:48:16

Rot in Hell Forever Forgive us Ukraine is a thief

00:48:18

and murderer on the ballot for the presidential

00:48:21

election This is not the first case of

00:48:22

persecution for the inscription on the ballot that

00:48:25

Well, in general, I’ll probably say it again,

00:48:27

it sounds absurd If suddenly someone

00:48:29

doubts this it means she was fined

00:48:31

30,000 rubles for the so-called

00:48:34

discrediting of the army. We can only

00:48:37

guess how the authorities got access

00:48:39

to this bulletin. I have one last

00:48:41

short question, Kirill, and conditionally, who should

00:48:44

prepare? Yes, because we see

00:48:47

obviously Yes, journalists

00:48:50

who work in Russia are under attack. We have already

00:48:52

discussed why, but relatively speaking, who

00:48:55

now may become the main

00:48:57

objects of persecution by the authorities,

00:49:00

maybe this will help someone,

00:49:01

including protecting themselves from those who remain in

00:49:03

Russia, well, you know, it seems to me that the

00:49:07

biggest fears and

00:49:10

most of all we should worry about those

00:49:12

our colleagues who, let’s say, are

00:49:15

well-known in the profession, who have

00:49:17

names, people who, as it were,

00:49:19

managed to establish themselves in the profession before the war, and who

00:49:22

decided that after the war, their duty

00:49:25

forces them to continue working in

00:49:28

Russia, these people with their own

00:49:31

opinions and with their own ideas

00:49:34

are very clear about professional

00:49:35

dignity, they are now obviously at

00:49:37

risk because it seems that the

00:49:40

fate of journalism in Russia in the near

00:49:44

future is the work of anonymous people

00:49:49

who have not been exposed in any way,

00:49:52

have not given themselves away, that in general, in fact,

00:49:54

they are such a state crime, that

00:49:57

is, we are moving towards that

00:49:58

so that the profession finally becomes a

00:50:03

criminal topic and so that it

00:50:05

turns, well, into such a deep

00:50:07

underground The same thing actually applies to well-

00:50:10

known

00:50:11

human rights activists who also work in Russia.

00:50:13

I think that systemic, systemic

00:50:16

terror can begin against them

00:50:18

first of all. Thank you. This was Kiril

00:50:21

Martynov in charge editor of the new newspaper

00:50:23

Europe, I will remind you that in literally 10

00:50:25

minutes

00:50:28

the courts will choose a preventive measure, they

00:50:31

will choose the suppression of the

00:50:34

Arskaya journalist Well, in fact, she is being tried for her

00:50:37

journalistic activities, trying to

00:50:39

present it as cooperation with the FBK,

00:50:42

which of course she was not

00:50:46

[music] the

00:50:55

prosecutor's office is a civil association of an

00:50:58

extremist organization in the opinion

00:51:00

prosecutor Ogo quote threatens to change the

00:51:03

constitutional system in the Russian

00:51:04

Federation by force and also

00:51:07

continues the activities of the oppositionist

00:51:09

Navalny end of quote Omsk

00:51:12

civil association is an

00:51:13

Independent media project that covers, among other

00:51:15

things, anti-war protests in the

00:51:17

region the authors of the project coordinate

00:51:20

the noon against Putin in Omsk also, but

00:51:22

we will find out the details to us

00:51:25

Chairman of the Council of the Omsk

00:51:27

Civil Association Nikolay Rodkin joins

00:51:31

Hello Hello dear

00:51:33

presenters Hello dear viewers of

00:51:35

the rain I am very glad to welcome you to This is a

00:51:37

beautiful morning Here it is a wonderful

00:51:40

faucet morning Unfortunately with sad

00:51:42

news, as usual it happens with us But

00:51:46

what are we used to and Nikolay wants

00:51:48

understand, again, we see different

00:51:51

accusations against those who

00:51:54

were in one way or another connected with

00:51:55

Navalny’s structure or whom the authorities specifically

00:51:57

associate with Navalny’s structures, that

00:51:59

in your case they considered this

00:52:01

activity to overthrow the

00:52:03

constitutional system of the Russian

00:52:04

Federation, why are you so dangerous to the Russian

00:52:07

to the state, yes Well, the fact is that it’s not

00:52:11

only that we continue, as

00:52:13

the prosecutor’s office says, the activities of Alexei

00:52:15

Navalny. The fact is that we are not only an

00:52:18

Independent media project, as you say,

00:52:20

but we are also a human rights organization and the

00:52:23

most prominent anti-war movement beyond the

00:52:25

Urals, I’m not afraid of this word and

00:52:27

naturally the prosecutor’s office doesn’t

00:52:28

like this, we personify everything that the

00:52:30

Putin regime hates. And this is an

00:52:33

anti-war protest, this is human rights,

00:52:36

protecting LGBT people first of all. And that’s why

00:52:40

we have what is called a complete full set of

00:52:43

what the current government is fighting against, what

00:52:47

it hates and what it delivers more

00:52:50

all the inconveniences In addition, we save

00:52:52

people literally every day all the time, we

00:52:55

pull people out of the security forces’ labs, we don’t

00:52:59

help people not to go to war. And of

00:53:01

course, this greatly irritates the

00:53:03

local authorities,

00:53:06

including. Please tell me what the

00:53:08

potential decision to recognize your

00:53:12

organization as an extremist organization

00:53:15

specifically threatens to the people

00:53:17

who work in it,

00:53:21

but in general, yes. If you look at

00:53:25

history, I don’t think that you know many

00:53:26

extremist organizations that are

00:53:28

recognized as such by the Russian court, but God grant

00:53:31

that you remember two or three of this fbk

00:53:33

movement spring Jehovah’s Witnesses And

00:53:36

of course LGBT is an international movement

00:53:38

and And if you look at what happened with

00:53:42

these movements, what kind of persecution

00:53:45

were their supporters or people

00:53:47

who joined with this movement subjected to persecution? And we can

00:53:50

confidently conclude that this

00:53:51

threatens with criminal cases, imprisonment,

00:53:54

persecution, imprisonment and,

00:53:57

accordingly, as in many cases,

00:53:59

death, including in prison, that’s

00:54:03

why Yes Now our main task

00:54:05

is to save these people, help them protect,

00:54:07

provide them with support, many people need to

00:54:09

relocate now this is a very big

00:54:11

problem considering that we are

00:54:13

not the Federal we are not from Moscow We are the

00:54:16

first organization generally recognized as

00:54:18

an extremist whose roots are not from Moscow

00:54:20

and not from St. Petersburg who do not have

00:54:23

long-term support from other human rights

00:54:25

organizations, so we are now

00:54:28

faced with the fact that we need

00:54:30

to find resources for all this;

00:54:32

now we cannot receive donations from Russia; we have

00:54:34

closed all these ways of depicting

00:54:36

security. Therefore, we really

00:54:38

need any support first all

00:54:40

those who are abroad So it’s

00:54:44

very difficult to get support because those

00:54:46

movements that are located beyond the Urals are not

00:54:48

only the Ob Civil Association We are the

00:54:49

first ones who got into this Voschip,

00:54:53

but like many other associations

00:54:58

and organizations that are not from

00:55:00

Moscow who do not have resources,

00:55:02

including large media We need

00:55:05

support more than anyone else

00:55:07

in Russia now Nikolai would like to understand

00:55:09

how in the conditions we unfortunately

00:55:11

cannot doubt what decision

00:55:13

the court will make Yes, it is hardly possible to talk about any of

00:55:15

his Independence, but nevertheless, which

00:55:18

means let’s imagine that the decision has already

00:55:20

been made. What should the people you

00:55:22

help do, how to help them in these

00:55:24

conditions? Yes, because it is understood that you

00:55:25

are helping people, including you

00:55:28

saying that helping them cope with the

00:55:29

persecution of the security forces. How in general?

00:55:32

here we can interact with you Yes, do

00:55:34

you already have some kind of

00:55:36

understanding? Yes, of course. That is, we have a

00:55:39

certain list of people who have

00:55:42

maximum risks and who Russia

00:55:44

can’t stay in. They just need to be

00:55:46

urgently relocated to a safer

00:55:49

country; it’s already a bad

00:55:52

idea to go there

00:55:55

for. This is the first one. would be an option and according to

00:55:58

others, the decision would be more correct, the claim of the prosecutor’s office is

00:56:01

very lengthy, that is, in

00:56:03

principle, it says that the prosecutor’s office considers each of our subscribers to be our supporters and

00:56:04

people who take

00:56:08

part in our organization,

00:56:13

and this is a very strange

00:56:15

wording because theoretically

00:56:17

now any person who simply

00:56:19

subscribes to us On social networks,

00:56:22

our supporters can accuse him of

00:56:23

taking part in extremist

00:56:27

activities, start making a case for us. Yes, that’s why

00:56:29

we need to look for new

00:56:31

ways, we have already closed our chat for

00:56:34

supporters. We need to look for

00:56:36

more anonymous and safe ways of

00:56:39

communication. uniting people, including on

00:56:41

the Internet. So, to protect them

00:56:44

somehow, and this is a very difficult task; it

00:56:46

also requires very large resources.

00:56:48

Because those people who are in

00:56:50

Russia and cannot leave, they need

00:56:53

our support, they need to feel

00:56:55

that we are nearby, they need hearing

00:56:57

what we say, this helps them

00:56:59

simply not to go crazy.

00:57:01

And we need to develop some kind of

00:57:04

protocol, namely the interaction of the

00:57:06

anonymous with the audience, and we have a

00:57:09

certain understanding of how we should do it.

00:57:12

Well, these are the plans for now. Thank you. This was

00:57:15

Nikolai Rodkin, Chairman of the

00:57:16

Public Council organizations Omsk

00:57:18

civil association LGBT activist

00:57:20

talked about a lawsuit that demands

00:57:23

recognition of that very association of an

00:57:25

extremist organization.

00:57:26

In general, this is a typical tool

00:57:28

of the authorities to fight some

00:57:29

opposition

00:57:32

[music]

00:57:39

structures Very soon Russian

00:57:41

planes will fly with spare parts from

00:57:44

Africa Mosco Tas says that

00:57:46

Last year,

00:57:49

spare parts for civil

00:57:51

aviation worth almost $2 billion were delivered from Gabon to Russia,

00:57:54

while the decree in the documents grew, the

00:57:56

customs company R Alars does not

00:57:59

exist at all in the register of the Gabonese company, and the

00:58:02

registration address is a residential

00:58:04

building, the publication quotes economist Igor

00:58:06

Lipsits who says that the Russian

00:58:08

leadership is giving Carte Blanche to the airline, which is

00:58:10

traditionally closely connected with the Russian

00:58:13

authorities and the import of such a large batch of

00:58:15

spare parts was most likely agreed upon with them

00:58:17

from Gabon to Russia. Since August 2012, he has been

00:58:21

tinkering with equipment for Boeing and

00:58:25

Airbus bolts, nuts, brackets,

00:58:27

fuel regulators, other

00:58:29

equipment. Well, besides these are 15

00:58:32

used engines for the Boeing 737

00:58:35

and Airbus A320 a321 for Russian

00:58:39

aviation, the problem of spare parts became very

00:58:42

acute at the end of last year when

00:58:44

mass accidents began to occur. And well, it should be

00:58:47

recalled that in the summer of 2023, the American

00:58:50

authorities blocked a large channel for the supply of

00:58:52

aircraft parts to Russia, bypassing sanctions

00:58:54

when

00:58:56

Oleg Patsu and Vasily Besedin were arrested, their

00:58:58

supplies were actively used by the leading

00:59:00

Russian airlines Aeroflot se

00:59:03

airline Pobeda Russia, Ural

00:59:05

Airlines and Yuter, and we should separately note

00:59:08

that the rapprochement between Gabon and Russia happened

00:59:11

after the military coup in this country

00:59:13

at the end of August last year, yes We

00:59:15

remember that such

00:59:18

Yevgeny

00:59:20

Prigozhina, who is already deceased, was quite closely involved in military coups in African

00:59:22

countries, but I wonder if he left his mark And here he made

00:59:26

his mark But maybe we’ll talk about this again

00:59:28

someday, but at the end of

00:59:31

the broadcast I would like to invite you to

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